Atlanta Hawks: The next step for Jeff Teague?
I’ve noticed that when Jeff Teague drives to the basket, opposing bigs sometimes focus more on blocking out their man than aggressively helping to challenge Teague. I think some numbers explain why that might be.
Teague is tied for eighth among starting point guards in shot attempts per game at the rim (4.4) and is 14th in shooting percentage at the rim: 58.5, compared to an average of 60.5 for starting point guards. Teague ranks tied for 11th in the amount of shots he attempts per game from 3 to 9 feet (1.7) and is 12th in shooting percentage from that floater range: 35.4 percent, slightly above the league average of 35.1 for starting point guards. Teague’s free-throw rate of .25 is second-worst among his peers in the top 10 of shot attempts per game at the rim.
Here’s a comparison of the 20 point guards who attempt the most shots per game at the rim (stats don’t include Thursday’s games):
| Player | FGA/gm rim | FG% rim | FT rate |
|---|---|---|---|
| Russell Westbrook | 7.0 | 62.2 | .31 |
| Tyreke Evans | 6.6 | 62.4 | .36 |
| John Wall | 6.3 | 57.1 | .45 |
| Derrick Rose | 5.8 | 63.2 | .34 |
| Rajon Rondo | 5.7 | 62.0 | .43 |
| Ty Lawson | 5.5 | 62.0 | .30 |
| Tony Parker | 4.5 | 64.0 | .32 |
| Brandon Jennings | 4.4 | 58.2 | .20 |
| Jeff Teague | 4.4 | 58.5 | .25 |
| D.J. Augustin | 3.8 | 55.4 | .26 |
| Deron Williams | 3.6 | 52.0 | .33 |
| Kyle Lowry | 3.5 | 54.9 | .34 |
| Mike Conley | 3.5 | 65.6 | .23 |
| Chris Paul | 3.1 | 66.2 | .27 |
| Jrue Holiday | 3.1 | 56.0 | .17 |
| Brandon Knight | 3.0 | 56.8 | .17 |
| Darren Collison | 2.9 | 55.7 | .32 |
| Raymond Felton | 2.9 | 60.8 | .22 |
| Ricky Rubio | 2.4 | 52.1 | .41 |
| Jarret Jack | 2.2 | 64.6 | .26 |
I think if Teague becomes more of a threat to finish when he gets to the basket then he might start drawing more fouls. Theoretically, help defenders would be more aggressive in trying to stop him (and the refs might give him more benefit of the doubt), leading to more foul calls.
Since Teague can be such an emotional subject for some of my blog people, I feel like I have to add disclaimers to anything that can be perceived as even mild criticism of his game.
None of this means I believe Kirk Hinrich should take Teague’s minutes. Teague deserved his shot long ago and has used his opportunity to prove he’s a good scoring point guard. I just think these numbers show that, unless Teague somehow starts shooting from mid range like Steve Nash and Chris Paul, this is the best way he can become an even better scorer.
(By the way, peep my story on Zaza Pachulia that ran in today’s AJC.)
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prison mike
February 17th, 2012
2:50 pm
Jason Terry had this same problem once he got to the Hawks. He didn’t know how to absorb the contact and finish strong. Terry had supreme confidence in his jump shot but Jeff is comparable % wise.
He’ll figure it out sooner or later.
TMACfan
February 17th, 2012
2:53 pm
Teague is good, but not if LD puts the leash on him for Hinrich.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 17th, 2012
2:55 pm
Maybe if he was a part of this team the last two seasons, he would have become better at finishing at the rim by now. Can’t learn how to do that by watching from the bench as some out of shape motherf-cker who lost his quickness years ago stands around on the 3 point line.
He needs to get better at finishing, but he has also been shafted by the refs over and over again this season. I think if LD would step up and get T’d up a couple of times, it would help Teague’s free throw rate a lot more than any adjustment Teague makes to his game.
STRETCH
February 17th, 2012
2:59 pm
JR SMITH to the Knicks. Wow, must be great being a Knick fan these past couple of weeks! They look to be bal-Lin in the playoffs!
High-sider
February 17th, 2012
3:02 pm
vava74, northcyde and O’Brien,
Examples of some Blazers’ games in which Jamal Crawford played the PG position as a facilitator, playmaker and/or pass-first PG:
01/16/2012 POR def. NOH – Crawford; 5pts, 7asts
01/27/2012 POR def. PHX – Crawford; 9pts, 10asts
02/04/2012 POR def. DEN – Crawford; 8pts, 8asts
02/10/2012 POR def. NOH – Crawford; 31pts, 8asts
02/15/2012 POR def. GSW – Crawford; 14pts, 6asts
prison mike
February 17th, 2012
3:05 pm
Looking at the sched, I see the Hawks finishing 4-5 games above .500. That will probably be good enough for the 6th seed. NY will get home court the way they are treading. They are getting Josh Harrellson back soon that adds depth with Chandler.
IceColdATLien
February 17th, 2012
3:08 pm
There’s almost always an evolutionary process that PGs gotta go through once they start getting major run at the NBA level. From Jason Kidd (lack of a J) to Steve Nash (defensive deficiencies), all the great PGs had to refine their game to overcome the weaknesses the League was bound to exploit. So, I don’t see any reason for alarm or anything. However…
I would say that Kirk might be the better starter on this team of vets because he could control other guys (namely Josh) better than a young Teague can. In addition, JT could come off the bench and really create havoc with the second unit. Both guys bring something different to the table, so the minutes could be distributed on a game-by-game basis (dependent upon matchups, who’s hot, etc.)
KevinM
February 17th, 2012
3:10 pm
Teague is the key to this season, and he needs to be a presence down the stretch. I know it was someone who didn’t like the 2 man game with he and Joe, but I don’t think there’s enough there to go on because Teague is still finding his way with LD and Joe.
But Teague needs to get to the line and stop opposing penetration. I like the PG we have here and I don’t think Kirk fits the mold of a PG here. I like his game and want to see more of it, but not at the expense of Teague. If Teague can handle the minutes, I say give them to him because he has been good in long stretches.
Teague is probably closer to a MIke Conley than Westbrook, but he is exactly what this team needs on both ends.
I could see ranking Teague near the top 10 PGs in the league.
KevinM
February 17th, 2012
3:12 pm
Ice, I dont think you can move JT back to the 2nd unit. You are putting him immediately with a less productive group and his impact should be felt in 75% of the game instead of 25-50. He has too much talent to be sitting watching us plod up and down the court.
IceColdATLien
February 17th, 2012
3:14 pm
btw, I don’t believe there would be any connection between Drew getting techs and Jeff gettin more ref love. Refs aren’t going to give calls to a PG based on the antics of the least-respected, lowest-paid head coach in the game. Teague will get those calls when he attacks the rim on a regular basis, invites the contact, and actually finishes strong. Way too often you see Jeff trying to gyrate away from contact and put up some weak a$$ layup. He’s gotta get more of the Iverson mindset, and then the refs will respect Teague’s rim game and start blowing their whistles more often. But blaming Drew for Teague not getting calls is a real head-scratcher.
High-sider
February 17th, 2012
3:15 pm
I can’t wait for the Lin-bubble to burst. I’m sick of all the publicity this guy is receiving. He [Lin] is Tim Tebow all over again.
ryan
February 17th, 2012
3:16 pm
Are the Hawks planing on making any moves there is a Wallace on the block looks like Kaman may be heading to Miami i am sure that make a lot of us mad i am so tired of the Hawks and Braves just basically being lazy not doing anything to improve .
Najeh Davenpoop
February 17th, 2012
3:17 pm
I’m not “blaming Drew”, just saying that he can help alleviate the problem. I seriously doubt that refs make decisions on how much respect to give a coach’s complaints based on their salaries.
northcyde
February 17th, 2012
3:17 pm
It would help if Teague got some calls when going to the hole. He’s also missing a lot of floaters lately.
honest_abe
February 17th, 2012
3:17 pm
“Way too often you see Jeff trying to gyrate away from contact and put up some weak a$$ layup”
what’s even worse is that goofy ass grin after he turns it over or makes a mistake.
Dawg
February 17th, 2012
3:17 pm
I am sick seeing a discussion of a guard from Portland. Teague is the biggest problem with the Hawks. When you have a roster that is patched together with no real plan, a PG’s finishing % is not the biggest issue. The only issue to this team is how to fill out a roster while paying JJ superstar money without going over the LT.
KevinM
February 17th, 2012
3:17 pm
Reading the Kaman article, I think that NO wants ’something’ for their asset instead of just a buyout.
My opinion on this is that Kaman = Horford, if not better. He has been an AS, he has the experience in the league, but he may not end up with an Horford type annual salary. My thinking is he could come in and fill a huge roll in the middle as another threat because this team definitely needs another offensive threat. Bring him in, take away one or 2 of our starters, because that’s the only way Sund can justify any value in Marvin, and let’s roll the ball out there the rest of the way.
I think we forget about any impact that Zaza gives us once Kaman starts working with the 1st unit.
ryan
February 17th, 2012
3:18 pm
This sucks New York is on fire they just won a Super Bowl with the Giants now maybe NBA championship with the Knicks so depressing being an Atlanta sports fan .
IceColdATLien
February 17th, 2012
3:18 pm
Kevin, the decision of who starts wouldn’t decide the minutes, and the less effective bench could become more effective in a push-the-pace mode. I agree that Teague should get more minutes, but he’s just too timid out there at the beginning of games (defering to Josh, JJ, even Marvin at times). I don’t think it would be a regression so much as an acknowledgment that we start games too erratically too often and a veteran PG just might be a better way to start those contests.
Teague is definitely more effective than Kirk, but this is a team game and often times chemistry means more than who’s the better player… just ask the Knicks who’ve run off so many wins AFTER their best guys went down.
KevinM
February 17th, 2012
3:19 pm
If you have to add a #1 to a Kaman package, give them the 2013 pick and get something out of the 2012 draft. Lots of talent coming in the league next year.
Does that mean that we keep Sund and LD?
IceColdATLien
February 17th, 2012
3:22 pm
Y’all shouldn’t hate on Lin for any reason. The difference between Lin and Tebow is that Lin earned his playing time while Tebow had the crazy-Christian masses lobby for his playing time. Besides, Lin has actually put up good numbers as opposed to Tebow who sucked for 95% of the game and then was basically gifted games cuz he played crappy opponents.
Don’t hate on Lin cuz you don’t understand it.
honest_abe
February 17th, 2012
3:24 pm
jeremy’s LIN and you’re $@#$@^^@ OUT!
Rod from College Park
February 17th, 2012
3:26 pm
northcyde,
“People who watched the game saw Jamal at the point guard do nothing but look for his own shot the entire 2nd half because he couldn’t get the Blazers into their offensive sets. That’s part of the reason why he had to settle for all of those late possession shots.”
I know for a fact you did not watch the game because the commentator spoke directly about this during the game. They were not running any sets, because the Clippers adjusted at the half, and the only way they could score was isolations. Sometimes in real life basketball, when you can’t get into your sets, the other team has something to do with it. Steve Kerr spoke directly too that, but you would have no idea because you were waiting to see if you won your fantasy game last night. I really have no idea why continue to go back and forth with you about anything, when you continue to make excuses for Marvin Williams. that alone discredits anything esle you say.
KevinM
February 17th, 2012
3:29 pm
At this late stage in the game Ice, I don’t see us getting any PG of any value. So to me, its either JT or Kirk and give Teague the majority of the minutes and if LD will just quit rotating him out in a certain point in the 1st quarter, and make a move based on results on the court.
We will succeed more if we will just let Teague lead this team.
KevinM
February 17th, 2012
3:31 pm
ryan, the Knicks haven’t won anything; what they’ve done so far is get themselves back to .500. Its whether they can sustain a run against better teams that will show whether Lin is good enough night in and night out.
I am eager to see him go against Teague to be honest. I think we will do just fine against the Knicks because they have to fit together so many pieces that haven’t put in many minutes together. Lin is a good measuring stick for Teague.
Dawg
February 17th, 2012
3:35 pm
I meant to say “Teague is not the biggest problem”. Teague is the only player who can lead us to a new level at the pg position. KH is great depth but he is not better than JT. I would not mind seeing JT, KH and JJ at the small forward position for a quick change of pace at brief times during a game.
NekiEcko
February 17th, 2012
3:35 pm
We are talking about Teague, not Lin (nice story but he need to deal with elite defense first before crown him)
Most people need to realize that Teague was on the bench for two years after draft and he was almost gone to Washington in that trade for Hinrich. So yall need to lay off of him for a while, he isnt perfect but he is getting to the lane, if he learn how to take contact and scored, then he is just fine. So no trade Teague, if the Hawks has to blow it up, I will like him, Smith and one other to be the new core.
Dawg
February 17th, 2012
3:38 pm
A playoff starting lineup of JT, JJ, jS, AH and Kaman with our bench of KH, Green, Radmo, Alvin and Paculia could play with anyone.
Shake it up Sund.
ryan
February 17th, 2012
3:38 pm
KevinM i said they might win a championship i never said they will win one who knows how long this momentum will last because Miami and Orlando are hot any one those teams can stop Linsanity .
northcyde
February 17th, 2012
3:42 pm
I guess Nate McMillan didn’t watch the game either. Scroll down to his post game remarks.
http://www.blazersedge.com/
northcyde
February 17th, 2012
3:49 pm
Teague isn’t a true PG anyway. I’ve long said that Teague is closer to Spud Webb, than anyone else. Spud with defense. His upside far exceeds Spud though.
But because Teague isn’t a true point, he can’t run the team like he should. His worth this year is to continue to get in the lane and score in the paint. Like JJ, Teague simply needs start going to the hole stronger.
keeping it real
February 17th, 2012
3:49 pm
IMO Drew has put a leash on Teague. When we played Chicago in the playoffs last year, Teague was brilliant. I don’t believe Drew’s system will let him be that player this year. To make matters worse, if he gets off to a slow start, he play 4 minutes in the first or second half and than gets pulled for Hinrich who gives us no penetration. Drew is Woody light and we will never get what we could out of Teague as long as he is coach.
keeping it real
February 17th, 2012
3:50 pm
plays
keeping it real
February 17th, 2012
3:51 pm
BTW, thanks for putting this up for discussion, MC.
supaficial
February 17th, 2012
3:58 pm
The hawks need to get rid of everyone except for jt0 j-smoove, ivan, and willie.the hawks should have signed avery johnson as the coach. i believe he could handle a premadona.one question i have is is joe johnson being paid for the facial injury he received
honest_abe
February 17th, 2012
4:01 pm
neckiecho – thanks for letting everyone know what we can talk about.
Astro Joe
February 17th, 2012
4:12 pm
Since Teague can be such an emotional subject for some of my blog people, I feel like I have to add disclaimers to anything that can be perceived as even mild criticism of his game.
Yeah, they are a sensitive lot.
SteveW
February 17th, 2012
4:15 pm
As much grief as some of you have given our 1st year PG (1st year starting), all I can see from the above stats is:
Jeff Teague is 9th in attempts among PG’s in the League – that’s in the upper 1/3 in a PG heavy League.
Teague makes a higher % of his shots at the rim than:
John Wall
DJ Augustin
Brandon Jennings
Darren Collison
JRue Holiday
Brandon Knight
Kyle Lowery
DERON WILLIAMS
And his rate for drawing FT’s is better than:
Brandon Jennings
Mike Conley
JRue Holiday
Raymond Felton
Brandon Knight
And he’s getting in the lane better than: CHRIS PAUL, Jrue Holiday, DERON WILLIAMS, Kyle Lowery, Ricky Rubio, Mike Conley and a host of others.
Couple these facts with:
Jeff Teague is FIRST in the NBA among PG’s who average at least 30 mpg in 3 point shooting % at 45.9%
And he’s 8th in the NBA among all players in Steals – ahead of LeBron, Iggy and the like
And he’s one of only 3 PG’s in the NBA who have averaged at least 30 mpg, at least 4.5 assists per game, and average less than 2 Turnovers per game – Darren Collison and Jose Calderon are the other two.
I think Jeff is not doing to badly – Hate on Haters!
SteveW
February 17th, 2012
4:18 pm
Not bad for the 8th PG picked in the 2009 draft…
SteveW
February 17th, 2012
4:23 pm
“Attempts at the rim” my first post should read.
Notice it was ‘Melo who said to give Lin a shot, not Woody.
kwooden
February 17th, 2012
4:29 pm
Teams have adjusted to Teague’s game, they forcing him to go more east-west opposed to north-south. They are cutting off clean drives and trying to make him pull-up for jumpshots. Jeff is going to have to start making counter adjustments and probably look to pass a little bit more. But realistically Jeff isn’t going to become Nash or CP3 overnight, which would be the only way for this team to really make-up for its lack of inside play. Teague is fine and I personally think he’s doing well. The real key to this season is Horford coming backe. The ECF is the goal and I don’t see any other way to get there without getting an All-Star Level Horford back for the Playoffs!
GO HAWKS!!
falCans
February 17th, 2012
4:37 pm
Yall should lay off LD he’has put togetyher a fine season. excuse a few games. Kudos for FINALLY green lighting JSmoove!!!
falCans
February 17th, 2012
4:42 pm
Horford suckd…only an all star because of lack of centersespecially on the east. He takes away touches from smoove, and u can see how ecited he can get when he knows he has offensive touches coming (rebounding etc.)
tyger
February 17th, 2012
5:20 pm
When Teague dives thru the 2 hole, he closes his eyes…
vava74
February 17th, 2012
5:22 pm
“I thought we were really stagnant the entire second half,” McMillan said. “Walking
the ball down the floor. Getting into our sets late. They picked up the pressure, we
were getting into our sets sometimes under 15 seconds. Then you’re playing
maybe one option as opposed to pushing the ball against this group, getting it up
the floor and getting into your offense with 20 seconds. Their pressure disrupted
and we didn’t keep a calm head down the stretch.”
prison mike
February 17th, 2012
5:24 pm
Sautee your numbers are off. Josh is shooting almost a shot more per game and is attempting half a free throw more which indicates more shot attempts.
I reckon the way he is trending more offensively, we may see JS attempts go upwards of 18 a game from this point. He is looking more comfortable on the block and he’s producing something positive way more than not there.
His last five games have him at 18.4 apg. Damn I kinda hit it on the head. The most glaring problem is 72.5% to 54.3% at the line. Someone needs to advise him to back up a few inches because he hits the back iron at an unusually high rate.
Heisenberg
February 17th, 2012
5:41 pm
I would rather Teague improve on the assist/turnover ratio first. That said, he has proven he can be a top tier PG in this league and will only get better. Hawks got other areas to ugrade before PG.
Just Joe
February 17th, 2012
5:45 pm
Interesting to see Chris Anderson on the block. He could help this team.
Just Joe
February 17th, 2012
5:56 pm
He’s got 2 yrs and $9M left. Rumor says Denver now has Nene, Koufas, and Mozgov, so they’re probably looking for future cap relief.
ag
February 17th, 2012
6:00 pm
Funny, JT has had a cult like following in Atlanta like Lin has in NY. Teague actually delivered for us a couple of times last season – only to be buried by LD the next game. JT0 then delivered in the playoffs – and he did get some attention. I think this team is doing extremely well – considering everything and I think like vava74 says – THIS IS JOSH TEAM! (Except stop trying to bring the ball up on the fast break!)
The Truth
February 17th, 2012
6:02 pm
“I’ve noticed that when Jeff Teague drives to the basket, opposing bigs sometimes focus more on blocking out their man than aggressively helping to challenge Teague. I think some numbers explain why that might be.”
My observation: he’s not driving, attacking or threatening to score enough.
Prior to the PHX game, Teague aggression had been on the declined compared to the start of the season. This may partially explains the Hawks offensive struggles in scoring lately. When he is not in “attack mode” with his offense and just facilitating, he looks like Mike Bibby, just standing around watching JJ or Josh or waiting for a “big” perimeter shot. This low-level offensive involvement perhaps is creating low % rate at the rim. This also creates 4 on 5 against opponents and a disadvantage for the Hawks offensively. Factoring in a passive Marvin (at times), teams will double or treble-team JJ without concern for threats from these players.
So a passive Teague is not the answer for the Hawks. At the same time, he should also create opportunities for his teammates. In some ways, Teague should learn from Hinrich; constantly moving, constantly threatening to score or he should actively setup others to score. He can’t just defer. He must build from his playoff successes and know he’s a big part of the Hawks offense.
When he makes a commitment to score, he’s a different player and the Hawks are a different team. He just isn’t committing obtain enough. If he modeled his game after aggressive PGs likes Steve Nash or Toney Parker, more so, than combo PG like Westbrook, he creates better efficiency and less stagnation. Hopefully that will come with experience.
So just changing the approach to his games can likely improve his stat numbers compared to his peers.
High-sider
February 17th, 2012
6:03 pm
vava74 and northcyde,
“Jamal Crawford had 19 off the bench on 7-18 shooting. That shooting percentage looked a lot better before the last four minutes of the game too. He kept the Blazers in the game with his second-half scoring. He kept the Blazers from winning the game with his late misses. But cruelly, he was really the only one who could do anything. Blame him for missing if you wish but his teammates did nothing to take the ball out of his hands, even if he had the instinct to give it up. He was the only one with enough energy and handles to get a shot as the fourth quarter progressed. Was some of that his own drive to dominate the ball? Sure…we all rely on instinct when tired and pressed. But again…nobody else even moved to take the ball. I don’t blame him for the period any more than I blame a game-show contestant for picking the wrong door when the host says, “You can choose between Door #1 and…that’s all. Just Door #1. What’s your pick?” Door #1 was a zonk tonight. But at least Crawford tried.” – Dave
High-sider
February 17th, 2012
6:08 pm
Teague sometimes doesn’t get the calls from the refs that he should when he’s going to the basket. On other occasions, his [Teague's] touch seems to be off.
Sautee
February 17th, 2012
6:13 pm
“That shooting percentage looked a lot better before the last four minutes of the game too.”
LOL at this. Excuse me, but isn’t that when you’d HOPE that a great scorer would ratchet it up a notch?
I’m not part of this debate (nor do I care to be) but Jamal is very good, but ever so streaky. If you cast your lot with him, you’ll be disappointed 60% of the time (statistically). I enjoyed watching him play here, and I admire his courage to take big shots, but that doesn’t make him any less streaky. And I certainly don’t think he needs to be a point guard.
drmaryb.[*_*].
February 17th, 2012
6:22 pm
Guarded!
“I am sick seeing a discussion of a guard from Portland.” -Dawg-
___________
LOL @ Dawg, I feel you bruh. It seems oxy-moronic to me when using the word “guard” and Jamal in the same sentence. LSM (laugh some more)
This guy couldn’t guard a baby with a loaded diaper. LOL
_______
Re: Teague? Just let him play his game and he will improve. Just leave Teague alone. Josh! Give him the damn ball and Drew? Stop benching him, he can play 48 mins per game. LOL
northcyde
February 17th, 2012
6:27 pm
Sautee, exactly.
That’s why he’s a roller coaster.
If Jamal was a ride at Six Flags, they’d name it “The Run & Shoot Express”.
Sautee
February 17th, 2012
6:34 pm
northcyde,
I thought it would be “The Up-chucker”!
I’m sorry, really, I am.
northcyde
February 17th, 2012
6:38 pm
We all will know that Teague is set as the future at PG, when he yells at one our main guys because they’re out of position.
When he yells at JJ or Josh like Anthony Johnson did Smith in a game, that will indicate that he’s ready to lead.
northcyde
February 17th, 2012
6:44 pm
Lol @ the Up-Chucker…a ride that vertically takes you up 200 feet in 3 seconds, lets you hang there for 15 seconds, drops you 50 feet, raises you back up quickly 50 feet, then dropping full speed for 190 feet before gliding to a stop.
You love the ride, but just realize you threw up on everybody.
High-sider
February 17th, 2012
7:03 pm
Mr. Instant Offense and super-sub, Jamal Crawford, is gone. Al Horford, the Hawks third leading scorer, suffers, a[n all but certain,] season-ending [pectoral] injury. During the summer, Marvin Williams undergoes lower back surgery to alleviate pain from a bulging disc. With two of the top four leading scorers from last years Hawks’ roster gone and no back pain issues, why is Marvin Williams’ scoring down? Marvin Williams, through 27 games played, is currently averaging below double figures in scoring [9.6ppg]. In his first year as a starter, Jeff Teague is even averaging 12.5ppg through 30 games played. Prior to this year, we [Hawks' fans] have heard all the excuses of how Jamal [Crawford] was taking shots away from Marvin [Williams] and that he [Marvin Williams] was suffering from back pain. With the aforementioned confluence of events coupled with the fact that a rookie point guard [Teague] took over the helm at the beginning of the season for the Hawks, this year should have been a breakout offensive season [or an offensive explosion] for Marvin Williams. What happened? One would think that with his [Marvin Williams'] seven years of NBA experience and under these circumstances Marvin Williams would be no less than the third leading scorer for the Altanta Hawks this season averaging between 14-15ppg. Is Marvin Williams at age 25 on an unyielding path of decline? For the Hawks’ sake, let’s hope not. If Marvin Williams continues this downward trend in scoring, it will be virtually impossible to move [trade] him, if the Hawks wanted to, based on his current salary structure. Is Marvin Williams’ current scoring slump a blip or a trend? I guess Hawks’ fans will have to wait for the next stretch of games for an answer.
Please do an article on Marvin Williams’ scoring slump.
Please write an article on Marvin Williams
cp
February 17th, 2012
7:04 pm
tyger you’re the same person who said Donald Sloan makes Teague expendable. How is that prediction working out for you.
Rod from College Park
February 17th, 2012
7:18 pm
“If Jamal was a ride at Six Flags, they’d name it “The Run & Shoot Express”
What would the Joe Johnson Ride be called? The 20 million Dollar Mute Express
What about the Marvin Williams Ride? The Disappearing Act, The Stumbler, The Hot Potato
If Jamal Crawford was better than both your all stars in the playoffs, then we must really be in trouble huh?
yodaddybrother
February 17th, 2012
7:23 pm
I’ve been saying that Zaza Pachulia could start effectively in this league you guys still wanted to sign Pzybilla and trade for lousy Chris Kaman….bloggers…smh
Jeff Teague is right on course….as long as Bonehead lets him play through his mistakes he’ll be fine.
Josh Smith is an all star. He’s always been better than Al Horford
Sautee
February 17th, 2012
7:27 pm
Rod, Marvin would be one of those Funhouse mirrors that make you look much smaller than you actually are!
High-sider
February 17th, 2012
7:35 pm
Based on his first two year’s limited and inconsistent playing time, I still consider Jeff Teague to be a rookie point guard. At best, Teague is still a very inexperienced point guard.
Buddy Grizzard
February 17th, 2012
7:40 pm
“He is a roller-coaster, all offense, no conscience, no team ball type of player.” – Vava74
Vava check out what Sam Smith said on NBA.com about why JR Smith was never seriously considered as an option by the Bulls organization:
“He basically was thrown off the Hornets after numerous disputes with Byron Scott. He was suspended in the playoffs by coach George Karl for refusing to run team plays. He was cited with a felony in a fatal car accident. He was suspended by the league for 10 games in a brawl with the Knicks. The NBA suspended him another time in a nightclub brawl. In China, he feuded with team officials and his sister got into a brawl with fans in the stands. With a Bulls team built on chemistry and teamwork I also find it hard to believe the Bulls wouldn’t bring in such a solid citizen and team player.”
This is why I say signing JR Smith is a huge risk for NY. The difference is that Denver was Melo’s team prior to the trade, so JR Smith played on a team that emphasized 1-on-1 play. In New York, Melo has already seen the fans turn on him because of his ball stopping. The Knicks are now Jeremy Lin’s team, point blank, no two ways about it. Melo now has NO CHOICE but to play within D’Antoni’s offense or the Knicks fans will run him out of town on a rail. Same thing with JR Smith. No other situation could have put this much pressure on two 1-on-1 players to play team ball. It’s a completely unique situation and I’m on the edge of my seat to watch how it plays out.
“I’ve been saying that Zaza Pachulia could start effectively in this league you guys still wanted to sign Pzybilla and trade for lousy Chris Kaman” – yodaddybrother
I’ve been saying for some time that, given starters minutes, Zaza is a top 15 center in the NBA. I feel that Zaza’s performance as a starter has confirmed my assertion. However, I never said I wouldn’t like to have Kaman or any other competent big man. My argument with Najeh was over Najeh’s desire to send out Zaza in a trade for Kaman, trading a highly durable but slightly less productive player in Zaza for an unreliable but slightly more productive player in Kama. If NO buys out Kaman’s contract and he decides to sign with the Hawks for the veterans minimum, but all means make Kaman the starter and return Zaza to his reserve role.
Rusty
February 17th, 2012
7:58 pm
LD is determined to screw JT. JT is head & shoulders better driving to the hoop & his outside shooting has been much better than KH’s.he is a much better defender.
Melvin
February 17th, 2012
8:10 pm
The 76ers guy didn’t show up to give us the game updates for Philly last game against the Magic. Will he show up tonight?
Sautee
February 17th, 2012
8:12 pm
Melvin,
As long as they are doing well he’ll come by. If not, well…
Melvin
February 17th, 2012
8:14 pm
Leuer started for the Bucks tonight and played 4:56mins in the fist half. He has more fouls than points…LOL
Sautee
February 17th, 2012
8:24 pm
Melvin, it looks like Leuer started at center against D12. No wonder he got two quick fouls.
Can you say “mismatch”?
D Mann.
February 17th, 2012
8:26 pm
Before Hoford went down we needed a Center because Al was a Scrub, Still is a Scrub and will be a Scrub when he gets back.
On Teague, I have to agree with MC Like Al Hoford there seems to be an emotional attachment that become vehement when you criticize Al or Teague. Its Cult like. The strange is part is either is average at best.
This Blog page is almost cult like with the passion and hatred. Let me be the first to feed you dragons
Teague Suck and is only average and not as good a Hinrich. I hope hinrich gets his starting job back because teague doesnt have the mind to run an offense and only knows how to be a ball hog. When we have those rare moments when he scores consistently its because the clamp and double is on JJ and Josh with no fear that teague can beat you. As for Distributing the pill I can only shake my head at the many many nights where he ends the game with 2 or 3 assist. and 2 of the 3 coming in garbage time. Reminds me of how Al pads that 12 pts 9 rebounds in garbage.
Ok haters get on your job.
D Mann.
February 17th, 2012
8:29 pm
Teague slows the Offensive flow. We often blow leads with teague in. We are still carrying teague. I hope we ship him when we ship Al.
Sautee
February 17th, 2012
8:31 pm
Well, good evening, T-s. Are you here to fess’ up that just maybe you exaggerated when you said that there was a “locker room fight”?
Or should I repost your damning earlier post that proved you DID SAY what you denied saying?
Either way, have a good evening.
MattP
February 17th, 2012
8:33 pm
Lin has 5 Turnovers in 10 minutes, lol.
D Mann.
February 17th, 2012
8:33 pm
What is our infatuation with average “joe” or more accurately “average AL, average Jeff”? why the fascination with the average?
Strange, then you complain about being an average team… and demand that your average players get more time to produce their average results and end an average season… then you complain….
D Mann.
February 17th, 2012
8:35 pm
Tip of the hat Sautee.
Please reproduce the blog post to which you have taken exception, by all means.
D Mann.
February 17th, 2012
8:41 pm
Zaza would be a top 16 center in a league that has 32 teams. I love his fight and hed keep us right in the average team of the year running, but then, so would Al who is also a top 16 center. Middle of the pack guys….middle of the pack.
I would rather keep and play ZAZA than trade for either of the two aforementioned varmints. In fact even when we trade Al and get a real center I hope we keep Zaza who is a great value for the money.
Sautee
February 17th, 2012
8:42 pm
OK, T-s, here you go. I can’t stick around tonight, but have a good one.
From the previous blog:
“Sautee, I see how you twist my statements. I said that MC published that there was drama in the hawk locker room I did not say there was a fight as in someone through and punch and some one countered with a punch.”
Here’s some of your own words. Tell me how I twisted saying that you spoke of a locker room fight?
System Update
February 1st, 2012
7:26 pm
“With Al going down, cohesion and focus increased”,
“I couldn’t agree more. All the constant bickering about wanting to play another position, the refusal to assert in the post, the locker room fights, Tito getting involved, the leaks in the press, boy, it wasn’t about winning or playing as a team. ”
So you didn’t mention “locker room fights”, eh?
Actually, as you can see, T-s, you DID mention “locker room fights”.
Just so we’re clear.
ag
February 17th, 2012
8:45 pm
Sometimes I think people just blog and don’t watch the games. The Truth is all off. i must admit jt appears to be driving less – I can partially understand after he almost broke his wrist in a terrible fall that was called an offensive foul on the Hawks.
But, did he watch JT being aggressive the 1st quarter in the Suns game – only to be subbed out with Marvin – despite leading the team in scoring?
LT
February 17th, 2012
8:46 pm
“I am sick of seeing a discussion of a guard from Portland.” -Dawg-”
Exactly!
Sautee
February 17th, 2012
8:49 pm
And before I go, are you saying you NOW value Zaza, who you previously denigrated as “not being able to even jump”, and “the only reason he’s a good offensive rebounder is because he’s too lazy to get back on defense”? That same Zaza? ROFL, how times have changed. Congrats, T-s.
C ya
D Mann.
February 17th, 2012
8:53 pm
Thats true Sautee, Al is a trouble maker,,,(Akon, convict music) I did use the word fight but you cant show me that I said there were fist fights. Michael Cunningham said there was struggles in the locker room and so yea, they were arguing/fighting but whether Al got beat down or not I dont know. You dont know either so lets just say there were fights, and you can decide whether they were verbal, Al got jumped by the other players, or Josh beat Al down. nobody knows
But there was some type of alter cation…. which could have been physical or verbal…
You nor me know for sure. Are you ready to admit that?
Grandad
February 17th, 2012
8:53 pm
LD has not put a leash onTeague.
If anything; Teague puts a leash on himself.
Type B personality, naturally meek and unassuming.
He will grow with maturity and experience;
but his personality will remain the same.
He is what he is.
D Mann.
February 17th, 2012
8:54 pm
not being able to even jump”, and “the only reason he’s a good offensive rebounder is because he’s too lazy to get back on defense”?
No doubt that was Al I referred too. Ive All ways been an Zaza fan.
Rusty
February 17th, 2012
9:07 pm
Is DMann in the nuthouse? Has he even seen one game. Look how LD screwed JT the last game.
Rusty
February 17th, 2012
9:09 pm
LD needs to be in the nuthouse with D Mann.
Rusty
February 17th, 2012
9:10 pm
And what the hell are you grandad?
Ra'mon
February 17th, 2012
9:25 pm
Is Ivan in LDs doghouse?
Rusty
February 17th, 2012
9:30 pm
I am surprised that JT has any confidence at all in his game the way woody & now Ld who is always playing games with him have treated him. No one would treat there their dog that badly. Was LD a great guard in his day, I doubt it,JT would run cycles around him.
MattP
February 17th, 2012
9:37 pm
“Was LD a great guard in his day, I doubt it,JT would run cycles around him.” – Rusty
That gave me a good laugh, that is probably why Drew hates him.
Buddy Grizzard
February 17th, 2012
9:48 pm
Fesenko update
The Bucks are trying to set up a meeting with unrestricted free agent center Kyrylo Fesenko next week, possibly in Denver, where he has been living.
Fesenko, who played the last four seasons as backup for the Utah Jazz, tore the meniscus in his left knee while playing for the Ukraine in the Eurobasket Tournament in September.
“He’s fine now; he’s ready to go,” said Stu Lash, Fesenko’s agent.
Besides the Bucks, Chicago, Miami and Atlanta are among some of the other teams showing interest in Fesenko.
http://www.journaltimes.com/sports/bucks-beat-jackson-skiles-are-all-business/article_f4847864-5918-11e1-bf4b-001871e3ce6c.html
The Great Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 17th, 2012
10:01 pm
Can we please offer Marvin for Stephen Jackson? Beg him to come back here
D Mann
February 17th, 2012
10:03 pm
I hope teague doesnt try that trick ball hogging trash where he shuts down the team offense and ends the game with 2 or 3 assist. Who ever heard of your point guard and offensive quarterback playing a game with 2 assist? Josh had to work 3 times as hard to carry ball hoggin teague. Nash had 17 assist against teague. and runs his team offense to perfection. IF we had a really guard like a Chris Paul we wouldnt be working the hell out of Josh.
The Great Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 17th, 2012
10:03 pm
JON LEUER PLAYED 7 MINUTES TONIGHT. SUPERSTAR
Ra'mon
February 17th, 2012
10:12 pm
I wonder what it would take Atlanta to get Jason Kidd. Really believe him and Odom would help the Hawks a lot.
MattP
February 17th, 2012
10:18 pm
“Who ever heard of your point guard and offensive quarterback playing a game with 2 assist?” – D Mann
And you are defending Hinrich because of this? Hinrich averaged 3.3 APG with the Hawks last season and 2.8 this season. Teague averages 4.7 APG this season. You are right Hinrich is so much better based on what you said… Smith and Green were carrying Hinrich on the Suns game. Wait, what happened to Hinrich love? You now have to compare Teague to Paul because you know Hinrich is no better than Teague.
If only Heat, Lakers, Magic, and most NBA teams had a PG like Chris Paul. You are one funny troll.
Rusty
February 17th, 2012
10:46 pm
MattP don’t waste your time on a nut bag who propbably just escape the funny farm.
ag
February 17th, 2012
10:53 pm
Many Hawks so called fans never address the real problems of this team. Josh has had his fair share of critics – now Jeff? JT could avg over 20ppg in this league, but he plays to the strenghts of this team. I will count the pick and rolls tomorrow – but aside of the few with ZaZa, nobody on the Hawks is rolling… if they did, his drives will be more effective than a couple of those circus shots.
ag
February 17th, 2012
10:53 pm
Knicks lose to Hornets!!! Lin 9 TO’s!
O'Brien
February 17th, 2012
10:56 pm
KevinM,
My opinion on this is that Kaman = Horford, if not better..
I would much rather have Al. When is the last time you saw Kaman play? He is not the same player he was when he made the AS team.
I would love to do a Hinrich for Kaman trade, but I doubt the Hornets want Kirk.
O'Brien
February 17th, 2012
10:58 pm
High-sider,
I can’t wait for the Lin-bubble to burst. I’m sick of all the publicity this guy is receiving. He [Lin] is Tim Tebow all over again..
How is he Tim tebow?
Tebow: Heismann trophy winner, 2 time national champion, played in the best football conference in the country, and is one of the best college football players ever (debatable), and was drafted in the first round. Fans were also cheering for Tebow despite the fact that he was the 3rd string QB. And although tebow was winning for Denver, his numbers were terrible.
Lin: Played for Harvard in the Ivy League, went undrafted, and cut by 2 different teams. And not only is his team winning, his numbers are good.
How is he like Tebow?
MattP
February 17th, 2012
11:02 pm
ag,
I was laughing at all of Lin’s turnovers. The funny part is all of them were in the first half, I thought he was going to have 15+ turnovers at the end of the game. lol
But I do agree with you, the Hawks need to run pick and rolls, it seems like Drew does not even have offense plays and expects his PG to just throw the ball to someone open. The only time Zaza does a pick and roll is when McGrady calls him for one. Wonder if Drew even paid attention to the Sun’s offense, they ran for screens all the time.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 17th, 2012
11:13 pm
Anyone seen Pekovic’s numbers lately?!
#FantasyTeam
TMACfan
February 17th, 2012
11:24 pm
So, I was at the dining hall eating some food and the TV was on. Some idiot from ESPN said “is it time to replace Derick Rose with Jeremy Lin?”
I just about threw up.
MattP
February 17th, 2012
11:25 pm
Yea I guess you are right Rusty. Every time I try to get a glimpse of teague’s nuts while he’s running up and down on the court Drew takes him out of the game. That pisses me off. I just want to see his nuts one time. Like you said his nut bag. Are you gay too, Rusty? I am. I dont mind telling you. Lets get together some times.
MattP – Heart – Rusty.
TMACfan
February 17th, 2012
11:27 pm
Did anyone just catch Marcin Gortat right now? That’s how you’re supposed to take it to the rim.
MattP
February 17th, 2012
11:29 pm
Funny, troll has to hide on my name after I proved him wrong.
Wish this blog had user names with passwords.
soullrenaissance
February 17th, 2012
11:31 pm
I see a trend and it involves JT declining playing time no matter his productivity. As evidence in the last Suns game, Teague was in beast mode offensively in the 1st quarter only to be yanked out early for Hinrich. Lin turns the ball over abundantly but is allowed to play through his mistakes. Teague should get the Lin treatment and allowed to truly build of the breakout series last year. However, LD seems to hold some kind of contempt for JT…I like Hinrich and alot of what he brings to the table and JT can learn some vet tricks of the trade from Kirk but I am totally against them being a platoon or a two-headed hydra. The reins of the team should be JT’s to lose.
MattP
February 17th, 2012
11:33 pm
I hope Rusty cums back on the site tonight.
cdog
February 17th, 2012
11:43 pm
his problem is not playing smart on both ends of the court. he puts the ball in wrong people hands, he makes dumb fouls and passes, plus he doesn’t make the players better with him on the floor.the point has to be an extension of the coach. teague is always out of control, how can he control the game when he can’t control himself? jannero pargo is the closest thing to a point on the team.
MattP
February 17th, 2012
11:49 pm
I do not see Kirk Hinrich on that list… therefore Teague is the best option we have at running point right now.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 17th, 2012
11:53 pm
“The way we won these last five games was very impressive,” James said. “We went on the road and won by double digits in each of those games and in some hostile environments. It was definitely a big road trip for us, six games in 10 days. We took care of business.”
I doubt LeFraud was referring to ATL as hostile.
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 17th, 2012
11:53 pm
Start Kirk vs Knicks on Wednesday
ag
February 17th, 2012
11:54 pm
soullrenaissance .. you hit the nail in the coffin! JT has to play at least 40 minutes. I watched the Suns run the pick and roll over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over x 10…. with a lot of success. i only see JT run pick and pops with JJ. I cringe when ZaZa tries because 50% he will pick up offensive foul, the other 45% he fumbles it away or misses a wide open layup.
UNLEASH JEFF TEAGUE!!!
I hope LT play JT over 40 minutes against the Knicks!
Rusty
February 18th, 2012
12:13 am
MattP was talking about DMann, your not really a homo.
MattP
February 18th, 2012
12:16 am
May mistake. I guess I did not notice those stats were after 48 minutes. I know now you guys are thinking that just because MattP is a homo, he cant see that teague is very low on the list for assist. You are probably thinking MattP looks funny with that penis in his ear. It aint my penis it belongs to Rusty.
Well, whatever.
Rusty
February 18th, 2012
12:16 am
JeJe ranting again ,your really not a grandmaster,FREE TEAGUE LD
MattP
February 18th, 2012
12:17 am
*My mistake
Rusty
February 18th, 2012
12:19 am
MattP yeah whatever
Gandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 18th, 2012
12:21 am
Rusty,
Learn proper grammar.
I am a legend.
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 18th, 2012
12:21 am
Rusty,
Learn proper grammar.
I am a legend..
tjhook
February 18th, 2012
12:23 am
Let’s bring Stephen Jackson back to Atlanta. Marvin Williams to the Milwaukee Bucks. Let’s DO That!!
MattP
February 18th, 2012
12:24 am
I know Rusty honey.
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 18th, 2012
12:28 am
Duck for ANYTHING
soullrenaissance
February 18th, 2012
1:13 am
word ag.
Buddy Grizzard
February 18th, 2012
1:31 am
Buddy Grizzard
February 16th, 2012
5:25 am
There will definitely be regression to the mean… Lin is not an elite shooter, passer or ball handler.
TMACfan
February 18th, 2012
1:32 am
tjhook, I haven’t really watched Steven Jackson play but does he play defense?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 18th, 2012
1:35 am
” you hit the nail in the coffin!”
Or maybe even the dagger in the coffin.
Grandad
February 18th, 2012
1:59 am
Najeh
If one hit the nail in the coffin;
would that be the death nail ?
Or the last knell in in the coffee?
Grandad
February 18th, 2012
2:01 am
Irreguardless;
‘`It’s like a chicken with a bad haircut`’
Grandad
February 18th, 2012
2:09 am
Farmers laugh at city folk who say:
‘`one more road to hoe`’
It’s – ‘`one more row to hoe`’
Whoever rode a ho ?
Grandad
February 18th, 2012
2:09 am
whoops
tyger
February 18th, 2012
2:15 am
Teague’s next step should be toward the bench…
List only shows how many better PGs there are…
How about ranking them from best to worst???
Real question is what is next step for Hawks?
Easiest way to get better is at PG…
If we could just “shoot” at that position, we’d be ok…
When did it b/c so hard to find a PG that could shoot?
Thought that was a requirement of the position?
Arenas can shoot it, but legs questionable…
Trade options: Hawks / New Orleans
Hinrich $8M Okafor $12M
Williams $7M Jack $5M
Teague $2M
Hornets clear $8M in space, get young PG, F
Hawks get true Center…
Trade Option 2: Hawks/Bucks
Hinrich $8M Jackson $9M
Williams $7.5M Jennings $2.5M
Teague $1.6M Delfino $3.5M
1st rd pick Sanders $1.8
Two smal/mid-size mkt teams that can help each other…
Jennings wont re-sign with Bucks….
Hawks need more dynamic young PG…
Bucks need Hinrich cap relief…
Marvin needs change of scenery…
Jackson/Delfino needs change of scenery…
Teague notch below, but gets the reigns…
Jackson is a pain, but can play…
Jennings incomplete, but has the package…
Bucks get solid pieces and cap space…
Williams, Teague, Illyasova, Bogan, Gooden, MBoute, Luer not bad…
EmirS.
February 18th, 2012
2:23 am
Agreed.
Teague just needs to learn how to finish. Like in the Chicago series last year. The dude is VERY quick. Once he becomes more consistent at finishing, more defenders will leave their man to challenge him. Once that happens…I believe his next step would be to improve his inside-the-paint passing game.
You guys remember all the Rondo comparisons? Well….we we’re right on. I believe he can become almost as good as Rondo. He has somewhat of a shot, unlike Rondo whose shot is non existent. But like Rondo…..Teague is quick and get to the hole in so many different ways. Just needs to finish at the rim better and more consistent as well as develop better court vision and limit turnovers.
I also feel a confidence issue is a looming factor with Teague. i think after this season that might issue might diminish.
High-sider
February 18th, 2012
2:39 am
@O’Brien
“How is he Tim tebow?
Tebow: Heismann trophy winner, 2 time national champion, played in the best football conference in the country, and is one of the best college football players ever (debatable), and was drafted in the first round. Fans were also cheering for Tebow despite the fact that he was the 3rd string QB. And although tebow was winning for Denver, his numbers were terrible.
Lin: Played for Harvard in the Ivy League, went undrafted, and cut by 2 different teams. And not only is his team winning, his numbers are good.
How is he like Tebow?” – O’Brien
Both players have been over-hyped way too early at the pro[fessional] level to the point that they have become novelty acts with cult followings. Lin and Tebow share the commonality of being portrayed as enigmas and unconventional success stories. Lin and Tebow have their fair share of flaws and shortcomings. Lin is showing signs of being a poor defender and turnover machine during his recent NBA run at the point guard position while Tebow as an NFL quarterback has completed less 50% of his passes, demonstrated poor throwing mechanics and struggled to read [defensive pass] coverages. Even though both players should, and have yet to, exemplify expertise in the most basic areas and facets of their respective positions, such as ball-handling for Lin and passing for Tebow, much of the mass media has glommed onto the “Lin-sanity” and “Tebow-mania” phenomenon.
Buddy Grizzard
February 18th, 2012
3:08 am
Nice post High-sider… I just listened to John Hollinger on True Hoop TV talking about how much it would improve the Lakers if they had an average point guard… like Jeremy Lin. As you can see… Bibby and Toney Douglas are so bad that even an average point guard improved the Knicks dramatically… same situation in L.A. with Derek Fisher looking positively Bibby-esque.
High-sider
February 18th, 2012
4:27 am
Thanks for the compliment, B-Grizz [Buddy Grizzard]. You’re not to bad yourself when it comes to commentary and analysis.
E43
February 18th, 2012
5:54 am
The only person that can make Jeff Teague better is he himself. He just like Marvin need to learn how to take it upon himself to assert himself in the offense. People need to stop pointing fingers around him claiming he isn’t the real deal because of XYZ not named Teague. These stats say nothing new. LD has always asked of him to be aggressive. Its Teague’s own fault if he defaults to his teammates. He is the #1 ball-handler on this team and would take the fall as the #1 ball-handler if he’s not making things happen.
E43
February 18th, 2012
5:59 am
The was no such thing a Iso-Joe in phoenix. Iso-Joe came because there were a bunch of guys lacking the attacking mentality. I’m sure a guy like Beasley wouldn’t be scrutinized as much as Marvin if he were a Hawk.
vava74
February 18th, 2012
6:10 am
Rod,
Jamal outplayed JJ in last year’s playoffs?
Joe Johnson G 12 GS 12 Mpg 41.4 FG% 0.439 3P% 0.429 FT% 0.810 Oreb1.50 Dreb 3.10 Treb 4.60 Apg 3.3 Spg1.08 Blk0.08 TOs 2.58 Fls 1.58 PPG 18.8
Jamal Crawford G 12 GS 0 Mpg 29.8 FG% 0.394 3P% 0.350 FT%0.824 Oreb 0.10 Dreb 1.30 Treb 1.30 Apg 2.5 Spg 0.75 Blk0.33 TOs 1.33 Fls 1.42 PPG 15.4
I grant you that his “points per minute” were higher, but he was stinking so bad in the CHI series after game 1 that his minutes and his production went down to zero.
Don’t give me the crap that CHI’s D focused on him to explain how he failed to break into double figures in 3 games after game 1 (also failed to do it in 1 game of the ORL series).
You don’t seem to give JJ any breaks when he struggles against defenses focused on him.
Even after a very good series against ORL (actually 5 good games out of 6 and a total of 6 good games out of 12) Jamal managed to finish the playoffs below .400 from the floor.
High-sider
February 18th, 2012
6:24 am
^Should have been “…Lin is showing signs of being a poor defender and turnover machine during his recent NBA run at the point guard position while Tebow as an NFL quarterback has completed less [than] 50% of his passes, demonstrated poor throwing mechanics and struggled to read [defensive pass] coverages…”
Buddy Grizzard
February 18th, 2012
8:02 am
http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/2/17/2807001/game-32-preview-atlanta-hawks-vs-portland-trail-blazers
From the preview:
“We know we’ll see Gerald Wallace bumping up against Marvin Williams, a TITANIC PHYSICAL BATTLE…”
LMFAO
Dawg
February 18th, 2012
8:21 am
I wonder how the Hawks are going to screw up the draft this year. Perhaps they will trade down to get a project in the 2nd round. Then they can trade that pick for a trade exception that they will never use.
That is a great plan!
Just Joe
February 18th, 2012
9:09 am
I’m very happy with where Teague is at this point in the season (and his career). The guy has started 40 games in his career after limited time on college where he also played off the ball some. Improved court vision will come with playing time. Limit the turnovers (averaging exactly 1 per game in Feb). Keep working on your shots (arsenal of floater, mig-range jumper & 3-ball). Stay aggressive on defense. Stay healthy.
The “stay healthy” part is why I am not concerned with the drop in Teague’s minutes since Kirk returned. 30 minutes a game is ideal. We’re just 30 games in to the season.
I don’t see Rondo in Teague. I see Tony Parker with a 3-pt shot. The difference is when Tony was 23, he already had 300 starts in the league. He was a better finisher & drew fouls at twice the rate of Teague.
15+ pts. 3+ rebs. 5+ assists. 1+ steal. That’s where Teague should be by playoff time.
Because of the 3-ball, (IMO) his potential is 20+ pts per game once he starts drawing fouls & finishing drives. However, I don’t think there is much potential for the other categories to improve. I don’t think Teague will ever be an 8-10 assist guy. Ideally, he would play with guys that do not have to be “set-up” to score (Parker had Duncan & Ginobli).
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 18th, 2012
9:17 am
Steve Nash has had a degenerative back since his third year in the league and is still a star with 2 MVPs.
Marvin Williams…..l
Samuel
February 18th, 2012
9:23 am
Jeff Teague will find a way to get better as he gets more experience. Being that said, the Hawks don’t have a product on the court, that can win a championship. Let’s take this a step forward, Atlanta is a horrible sports town. The Braves, Falcons and Hawks don’t seem like their in a position to win a Championship no time soon. I wish I could be proven wrong, but reality is, most fans don’t think so either.
Melvin
February 18th, 2012
9:27 am
I say we trade Marvin for Stephen Jackson. It would at least get rid of Marvin and Jackson contract is one year shorter than Marvin’s. Jackson and Josh would be free agents in 2013 along with Hinrich contract coming off the books at the end of this season. Hawks could have some salary cap flexibility in 2yrs….
steven A.
February 18th, 2012
9:28 am
Hawks scouting “system” is terrible. When the Hawks drafted Josh Childress, they passed over Al Jefferson. What a wasted pick. However, the same draft, they did draft Josh Smith.
justahawkfan
February 18th, 2012
9:38 am
Hawks scouting “system” is terrible. When the Hawks drafted Josh Childress, they passed over Al Jefferson. What a wasted pick. However, the same draft, they did draft Josh Smith.
So Steven A. what are you saying? Are intentionally being vague or you just don’t realize you being contradictory.
drmaryb.[*_*].
February 18th, 2012
11:03 am
“Got To Give it Up!” -Marvin Gaye-
Jeff can’t play his game without the ball! If Drew would tell Josh to give the damn ball to Teague? Perhaps, our PG could develop his game and set up his team mates like a PG is supposed to do.
Josh needs to let Teague have those 7 assists and fill the lanes. IMHO
Consider this-I like our team
February 18th, 2012
11:20 am
The Hawks need to improve as a team. I’ts not that Teague lacks passing ability or finishing ability. I think he has what it takes. The Hawks don’t have big men used to getting passes inside from the point. JJ is a very good passer. Josh is capable-how many teams have someone jumping center to start the game who has triple-double capability? It’s more that these guys need to look for their openings when the pg drives, or crash the boards. Think back-Bibby, Jamal, even Kirk last year-they were more perimeter players who could also pass. Jamal could finish and so when he drove, bigs got open by default. Teague has that kind of scoring ability but the bigs are usually ballwatching. Smoove, Zaza, and Marvin (and Al when he returns) would be well served to dive to the boards for a pass/rebound rather than expecting a shot or kick to the 3-point line.
This team is much deeper and more together than any we’ve had in years. Sure it’s still a work in progress but we hold our own against Miami(last Sunday’s beatdown aside) and Orlando and are unafraid of any team. How many cities have that?
The team total assist numbers are very good. Think of the Pistons “playing the right way” with Larry Brown a few years back. If we improve a little and get healthy(Al off the bench in the playoffs), with a little tougher D, anything is possible! D Rose has a bad back and Miami is very beatable if you don’t let them fastbreak all game. New York will fold when they have Melo back hogging the ball and playing matador D. Boston is too old. Philly is scary but too inexperienced. Orlando is not a puzzle to stop. These Hawks, with the bench and the evolution of Teague, Zaza and the improvement of Smoove, plus the consistent work ethic of JJ, are harder for teams to stop. Oddly enough, Marvin may be the key to it if he can return to being a 15ppg player and versatile defender.
terrell
February 18th, 2012
12:13 pm
How bout the next step for our 120, 000,000.00 man? Enough of this 6 points nonsense. Gotta have more than that from our “leader”. Teague could avg WAY more points and assists if Josh and Joe would give him the damm(points) ball, or if Marvin and Zaza could catch a freakin pass without fumbling it out of bounds(assists). smmfgdh
Old Man Peabody
February 18th, 2012
12:20 pm
^your crazy if you think the Hawks stand a chance against Miami in the playoff, both teams are heading into opposite direction. Since Miami dropped the 3 games in a row they are 16-3 and 13 of those wins were by double digits when Wade and Lebron sitting most of the 4th qtrs. Atl would be lucky to win 1 game in a seven game series with them.
System Update
February 18th, 2012
12:20 pm
Teague may be among the worst if not the worst starting point guard in basketball when it comes to running an offense and turnover to assist ratio. Those are two(2) of the most critical areas that you want to measure a point guard by, not whether he finish at the rim, but whether he is intelligent in running the offense and whether he handles and dishes the ball effectively. You want every body on your team to finish at the rim. but your point guard MUST run the offense and handle the ball.
Teague gets extremely low marks for both.
Just the facts.
Turn over to assist ratio X 48 minutes.
PLAYER NAME, TEAM NAME GP MPG AST APG TO TOPG AP48M AST/TO
1
Steve Nash , PHX
27 31.8 288 10.7 97 3.6 16.1 2.97
2
Rajon Rondo , BOS
21 37.3 200 9.5 76 3.6 12.2 2.63
3
Chris Paul , LAC
23 35.7 202 8.8 49 2.1 11.8 4.12
4
Jose Calderon , TOR
31 33.8 272 8.8 61 2.0 12.5 4.46
5
* Ricky Rubio , MIN
30 34.6 259 8.6 97 3.2 12.0 2.67
6
Deron Williams , NJN
30 37.4 250 8.3 128 4.3 10.7 1.95
7
Derrick Rose , CHI
23 35.5 179 7.8 66 2.9 10.5 2.71
8
Tony Parker , SAS
30 33.8 233 7.8 76 2.5 11.0 3.07
9
Kyle Lowry , HOU
28 34.8 215 7.7 89 3.2 10.6 2.42
10
John Wall , WAS
30 36.7 229 7.6 124 4.1 10.0 1.85
11
Mike Conley , MEM
28 35.4 193 6.9 65 2.3 9.3 2.97
12
LeBron James , MIA
29 36.9 197 6.8 110 3.8 8.8 1.79
13
Jarrett Jack , NOH
22 35.7 147 6.7 51 2.3 9.0 2.88
14
Stephen Curry , GSW
17 33.0 113 6.6 49 2.9 9.7 2.31
15
Andre Miller , DEN
30 29.0 194 6.5 73 2.4 10.7 2.66
16
D.J. Augustin , CHA
18 32.1 115 6.4 47 2.6 9.5 2.45
17
Raymond Felton , POR
30 32.8 189 6.3 87 2.9 9.2 2.17
18
Ty Lawson , DEN
27 34.0 169 6.3 65 2.4 8.8 2.6
19
Monta Ellis , GSW
25 37.4 149 6.0 86 3.4 7.6 1.73
20
Ramon Sessions , CLE
27 25.0 153 5.7 59 2.2 10.9 2.59
21
Russell Westbrook , OKC
29 34.7 159 5.5 127 4.4 7.6 1.25
22
Paul Pierce , BOS
26 34.6 141 5.4 73 2.8 7.5 1.93
23
Jameer Nelson , ORL
24 29.8 130 5.4 55 2.3 8.7 2.36
24
Jason Kidd , DAL
20 28.2 107 5.4 44 2.2 9.1 2.43
25
Andre Iguodala , PHI
30 34.8 159 5.3 58 1.9 7.3 2.74
26
Brandon Jennings , MIL
29 35.5 152 5.2 65 2.2 7.1 2.34
27
Darren Collison , IND
30 33.6 156 5.2 58 1.9 7.4 2.69
28
Tyreke Evans , SAC
29 36.5 150 5.2 86 3.0 6.8 1.74
29
* Kyrie Irving , CLE
24 30.1 122 5.1 74 3.1 8.1 1.65
30
Jeremy Lin , NYK
16 19.9 81 5.1 45 2.8 12.2 1.8
31
Kobe Bryant , LAL
29 38.3 145 5.0 108 3.7 6.3 1.34
32
Earl Watson , UTA
27 21.9 130 4.8 52 1.9 10.5 2.5
33
Dwyane Wade , MIA
21 32.6 101 4.8 55 2.6 7.1 1.84
34
Jrue Holiday , PHI
30 35.1 143 4.8 70 2.3 6.5 2.04
35
Jeff Teague , ATL
cp
February 18th, 2012
12:24 pm
@terrell. exactly. I’m not concerned about Teague at all. Dude is playing fine. This is his first year playing consistent minutes. How about our starting sf step up. How many years do we have to watch Marvin fail to finish at the rim, miss open jumpers,fumble away good passes, and his inability to post up smaller players. How about Joe playing well against the good teams and not just the bad ones.
I’m convinced that Teague did not give tyger an autograph. Dude might be the least knowledgeable poster on here. The fact that you said Donald Sloan makes Teague expendable kills any argument you have against Teague. Donald Sloan? Really? Then you said that we should bring Randolph Morris back. SMDH.. RandyMo was getting owned by d league guys in the summer league a few years back. Its a reason a guy with his size, youth, and solid scoring ability is not in the league.
System Update
February 18th, 2012
12:31 pm
Laughing my ass off… as if some one is stopping teague from passing to the open man and getting an assist. Teague. LOL
Teague is a ball hog who is like the scare crow and doesnt have a brain. Teague needs to be bench and his nut holders are asking for him to get more time.
I cant understand this blogs obsession with mediocrity… the “average Joe” mentality. Al horford is a 12pt 9 rbs guy and this cult blog reverenced him as God.
After he self destructed along come teague who cant earn his way out of a wet paper bag, is the poster child for why Johnny cant read, puts up one of the worst turnover to assist ratios in the league and he is being hailed as the new Caesar. I dont get it with you cultist. What exactly is in your Koolaid?
Teague should be on the bench. He is a cog in the offensive wheel and should be a back up at best.
Rev in Tampa
February 18th, 2012
12:47 pm
What radio station broadcasts the Hawks? I’m in the mountains this weekend “enjoying” the simple life with no tv or internet. I’m hoping to get enough service on my phone to listen to the game.
Dawg
February 18th, 2012
12:48 pm
No matter how you put down Teague, he is the best PG we have. He is light years better than Bibby, he is light years better than Jamal on defense and he is better that Hinrich who we gave up 2 first rounds picks for.
He is one of our better players. We can pick him apart but the reality is we are a poorly constructed team who has been cheap while putting together this team.
Our center depth is horrible.
terrell
February 18th, 2012
12:51 pm
System update, you can run an offense when there isnt an offense to run. Dont matter who the pg is in LD’s system. Its iso Joe. Or Iso Josh. Remember all the ball movement when the season started, WITH TEAGUE AT PG BTW? Didnt take long for the captains to revert back to more of the same, did it? Cant blame Teague for that. Like I said the other day, JT will NEVER reach his potential playing with this bunch. Btw, if we’re going to stick with the “core”, could we at least get a GOOD head coach in here???
terrell
February 18th, 2012
12:51 pm
“cant’
terrell
February 18th, 2012
12:56 pm
Agreed CP. How about dedicating a blog to our wasted #2 draft pick. lol. And they got the nerve to have a tv show on Sportsouth about this bum. Please.
Astro Joe
February 18th, 2012
12:56 pm
Rev., Hawks games are broadcast on 93.7FM or 680AM.
Old Man Peabody
February 18th, 2012
1:00 pm
The difference with Teague’s growth and Rondo and Parker is coaching. Parker has Popovich and Rondo has Doc. Teague will never reach his potential under Drew. Only way he will get better is by himself cause the coaching staff sucks here.
Rev in Tampa
February 18th, 2012
1:08 pm
Thanks AJ.
terrell
February 18th, 2012
1:22 pm
Thats the truth Peabody.
Melvin
February 18th, 2012
1:58 pm
Here’s the salary cap for all teams as we approach the trading deadline. I didn’t know the Hawks had a TPE from the Jordan Crawford trade. However, I’m sure they want use it…
http://www.hoopsworld.com/whose-got-cap-space?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=whose-got-cap-space
MattP
February 18th, 2012
2:17 pm
I have a feeling we will lose this game because it is on NBA TV.
SteveW
February 18th, 2012
3:00 pm
Jeff Teague one of the worst in the NBA in Assist to Turnover Ratio.
Huh?
He’s 14th in the NBA among all PG’s averaging at least 30 mpg in that category at 2.39.
He’s ranked ahead of:
Brandon Jennings
Devin Harris
Luke Ridnour
Rodney Stuckey
Jameer Nelson
Stephen Curry
Raymond Felton
JRue Holiday
Kemba Walker
DeRon Williams (All Star)
Mo Williams
John Wall
Tyreke Evans
Umm, what you smokin’?
Sautee
February 18th, 2012
3:02 pm
T-S (System Update),
You are mis-using stats again, this time trying your best to discredit Jeff Teague. The chart that you posted was NOT for ast / to per 48 min. That stat doesn’t exist, because a ratio, is a ratio regardless of minutes. What you posted was assists per game. Here’s how you can tell: Chris Paul and Jose Calderon have higher ast /to ratios than Steve Nash (who is at the top of your list). Looking at the chart you posted shows this clearly.
The truth is that Teague’s ast / to ratio is decent at 2.37. This means he makes 2.37 assists for every turnover. 2.5 is considered good. Here’s a link to :the REAL chart for ast /to for PGs
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Assists.jsp?league=00&season=22011&conf=OVERALL&position=5&splitType=9&qualified=Y&yearsExp=-1&sortOrder=6&splitDD=All%20Teams
On this chart, you’ll see that Teague ranks 22nd. Not bad for only having started 40 games or so.
His ratio is better than: Brandon Jennings, Devin Harris, Jameer Nelson, Stephon Curry, Jrue Holiday, and Deron Williams. All are established guards with much more experience than Jeff. Yet he is doing a better job with keeping down TOs than any of them.
Teague is certainly fair game for criticism. But let’s do it with REAL stats, not ones that do not show what you purport them to.
TMACfan
February 18th, 2012
3:05 pm
I know everyone wants Marvin out, and that’s a good thing. But our priority 1 is getting a BIG MAN!
SteveW
February 18th, 2012
3:05 pm
And again I’ll say about Teague, he’s one of only 3 PG’s in the League averaging 30+ mpg, 4.5+ assists per game, and less than 2 Turnovers per game.
And with JJ and Josh as such good passers, his Assist numbers may be down, because those two guys have high assist numbers at their positions.
That, and ZaZa and Marvin probably account for 2+ blown assists each game that Teague should have gotten…
SteveW
February 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
On D, Teague is still #6 in steals among all PG’s and #9 among all players in steals per game.
Not bad.
Ken Strickland
February 18th, 2012
3:08 pm
After virtually being ignored by both Woodson and Drew his 1st 2yrs, Teague is now being put under a microscope after only 30 starts this yr and 8 playoff starts last yr. He’s not as consistent as he was earlier, but that might be due to him knowing Drew is trying to find any excuse to give Hinrich more of his mins, if not looking to outright replace him as the starter.
Before this season, Teague was criticized for not having a jumpshot, or being able to finish at the rim. In just one off season he’s not only improved his jumpshot, but he’s become one of the NBAs most prolific long range shooters. While some still criticize his abiility to consistently finish at the rim, it wouldn’t be an issue if he got the calls he should be getting.
Teague has Allstar potential, and he’ll get there as soon as LDrew gives him the unquestioned support that he and Woodson bestowed upon that slow, lazy, none athletic, one dimensional PG that refused to go below the FT line with a ball in his hands. You’d think that 2 HCs who claimed to valuet DEF would have thought twice about relying on an offensively limited PG that was a total and complete DEF liability.
Right now, Teague’s biggest problem is his focus on trying to run the OFF when JJ and Josh are ineffective, but still dominating the OFF, when he should be the one dominating it. When he’s in that mode, you can see his defender back off, because they know he’s not in attack mode. When teams try to pressure or double JJ or Josh, he should immediately attack the DEF and force them to back off, rather than continuing to force them the ball.
donte080
February 18th, 2012
3:44 pm
northcyde,
Teague isn’t a true PG? Did you miss the Chicago series last year? How about the 8 assists in our earlier win this year against those same bulls?
Teague is the best PG this team has had here since Mookie….(which isn’t saying much, but still…)
The Great Grandmaster JeJe
February 18th, 2012
4:08 pm
If Horford had been healthy this whole year, we’d have the exact same record.
You can’t be serious if you think we’d have beaten Miami or the Lakers earlier in the week with Horford. No way.
if you think that, you are an ANAL-MINDED MORON
Sautee
February 18th, 2012
4:24 pm
T-s,
Your statement that you “have always been a Zaza fan” is quite amusing. I suppose you’ve forgotten what you said on Mark Bradley’s blog in June of 09. Allow me to refresh your memory:
t – s (if I spell it out, the blog monster eats it)
June 17th, 2009
7:37 pm
“Marvin Williams is a very good player who enter the pros after 1 year of college. He is much better than Schutlz the hate master or Mo dumb Bradley. He averaged More rebounds than Pachulia, the slowest man with the shortest vertical leap in the NBA.”
http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2009/06/17/say-goodbye-to-marvin-williams-hello-to-caron-butler/?cp=all#comments
or this from the same blog:
t – s
June 18th, 2009
1:17 am
“HES AVERAGE TO MEDIOCRE AS A CENTER, BUT EVEN THAT IS BETTER THAN PACHULIA WHO WAS LESS OF A REBOUNDER THAN MARVIN WILLIAM WHO IS A GUARD/FORWARD. JUST KEEPING IT REAL”
Just keeping it real, T-s. So you have “always been a fan of the man you say is “less than mediocre”?
LMFAO
System Update
February 18th, 2012
4:33 pm
terrell I understand your view. but there is enough talent on the hawks to get to the second round of the playoff with out Al or teague, so to say there’s not enough of an offense here for teague to orchestrate is just not true, Teague just isnt bright enough to understand the game. He only knows ball hog basketball.
Sautee, I just added a copy an paste so if you are arguing, it is with NBA .com…by the way they have updated the stats and now teague has fallen to # 34 amongst assist leader for starters.
http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Assists.jsp?league=00&season=22011&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9&splitScope=GAME&qyalified=Y&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=
You dont want your point guard # 34 if possible you want your point guard in the top 7 and your center too.
Its ok for your 2 guard to have low assist, hes suppose to shoot it, but its not ok for your point guard.
SteveW you are entitled to your own opinion but not facts. Just click the link and you will see teagues assist rate. Dont take my word argue with NBA.com …. Like Mr.Sautee.
Horford has Zero impact on the season healthy or not. If he were healthy his may fans would be begging and demanding that the hawks get him more training or move him to another position just like they do with Teague.
Teague has had enough time and experience. He was brought along softly. If he hasnt got it by now he wont get it. At this rate JJ will retire before Teague gets a clue. Teague is Spudd Webb with out the court knowledge.
I done waste my time reading mr ANAL-MINDED MORON
The story of the day is the one by MC on Zaza and how he is playing at or above what Al brought. Go Z !!
System Update
February 18th, 2012
4:41 pm
Sautee, I havent change and never said I did not like Zaza, I did Marvin was a better rebounder, and you are leaving out that the person I was referring to as mediocre was Al Horford who is better than Zaza. Why is that such a stretch? Maybe its how you interpret that. Also Zaza has improved because hes getting more time. Hes is and always will be a better fighter and defender than Al because Al wont fight.
I dont see how you get me hating Zaza for making a comparison. But then, That’s the way you think.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 18th, 2012
4:41 pm
Teague and Jrue Holiday were drafted two picks apart in 2009, and despite Holiday having a year and a half extra experience as a starter, they are almost identical at this point in their careers as far as production, except Teague shoots a much higher percentage from the field and Holiday is a better all around defender.
My sincere condolences to tyger for Teague stealing his girlfriend and f-cking every one of his female relatives.
drmaryb.[*_*].
February 18th, 2012
4:45 pm
Who Dat?
@Consider this-I like our team:
I got five on it, that this poser is: Gearon, Jr.
Any takers? LOL. … That ish was Sund ‘nem – verbatum. LMBAO!
System Update
February 18th, 2012
4:47 pm
The bulls play the hawks to stop JJ and Josh which frees teague. Bulls dont really care what teague does.
Teague is a never ending project.
Sautee I see where you went wrong. When you manipulated your stats you made it out that Although teague was far down to #22 that was suppose to be good LOL saying he did this after only 40 games. We, so did the 21guys in front of him. DuH
Slimjr
February 18th, 2012
5:14 pm
@Ken Strickland- I co-sign! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Teague’s situation could not have been explained any better….You keep this up we’re going have to call you Doctor K! hahahahah!
Sautee
February 18th, 2012
5:23 pm
T-s,
Don’t play dumb, man. You know that the 40 games referred to was Teague’s starting experience, but you try to pass it off like ALL of the guards on the list have played only 40 games? Actually they have all played around 30 this year.
And there was no “manipulation” of stats with what I linked to, it was the same link you showed, AFTER I had clicked on the column showing ast /to, WHICH WAS THE STAT YOU WERE CLAIMING TO SHOW with your original post.
So if you think I manipulated the stat, talk to nba.com. I didn’t need to talk to them because I understood how to find ast / to ratios. Which you obviously did not. Geez, all of this because you can’t admit that your original post was in error. Keep trying to obfuscate, but know that we all see through you.
Sautee
February 18th, 2012
5:32 pm
T-s,
I never said you hated Zaza. Don’t put words in my mouth. I said that I had to laugh at your newfound appreciation of him since you said this:
T-s
June 20th, 2009
11:08 pm
“You can’t make ZaZa Tim Duncan. He went from starter to turnover factory.”
or this: “Horford is underweight and frail for a center. He got the job because ZaZa top this turnover Pachulia turn into Koncak.”
But hey, you’ve always liked him. Or so you say.
cp
February 18th, 2012
5:40 pm
lol@Najeh
O'Brien
February 18th, 2012
6:01 pm
Since JJ was signed by the Hawks, this is the only season that JJ has not led the team in assists. Why? Jeff Teague.
Melvin,
Just like the Hawks let the Childress exception expire, they will let the Jordan Crawford exception expire.
Trading Marvin for Stephen Jackson is an interesting idea. But I think the Bucks will get better offers than marvin Williams, who has very little trade value.
O'Brien
February 18th, 2012
6:13 pm
Nets up on the Bulls in the 4th in chicago.
System Update
February 18th, 2012
6:32 pm
Sautee you are back in 2009. Get a grip. I am a zaza fan and always will be. hes getting better and is a great warrior. His good out weigh his bad. In some ways Al is better.and not in some. Id trade Al in a heart beat go after a center who is better than both. Id like to have a top 7 center and zaza backing him up. That would be a perfect world for me.
Bottom line on teague is a project whose court wisdom and knowledge of the game is very small.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 18th, 2012
6:38 pm
All Star Luol Deng leads the Bulls to a double digit home loss to the Nets.
Big Foot
February 18th, 2012
6:39 pm
I already call him Dr hahahahah!
Najeh Davenpoop
February 18th, 2012
6:50 pm
Joe Freeman @BlazerFreeman Close
Aldridge: “I should be able to go tonight. We’ll see.”
https://twitter.com/#!/BlazerFreeman/status/170956083874111488
Consider this-I like our team
February 18th, 2012
6:51 pm
@drmaryb.[*_*].
That was funny. I had just heard Gearon speak and I guess they served Koolaid!
But Just For the blog record,
I am not in any way related to the Hawks organizaiton. I do go to a few games a year and I am obviously a big fan of this year’s team. Sure they may break our hearts in April, but hope springs eternal! We have big upside.
Other than Miami and Oklahoma, what team doesn’t have major concerns(age, injuries, depth) at this point? Just sayin.
Big Foot
February 18th, 2012
6:56 pm
Tony Parker is to teague what Muhummad Ali is to ernest t baggin.
doc
February 18th, 2012
6:58 pm
did anyone go to hear gearon speak the other night? if so, did he say anything relevant, newsworthy or honest?
The Truth
February 18th, 2012
7:03 pm
Based on historical pattern, Marvin is due for a big game tonight. But with Portland in desperation mode on Saturday night, a win will not come easy for the Hawks. Bookings got Portland winning by 5.
We Shall See
Ernest T
February 18th, 2012
7:10 pm
No teague here cuz !
MattP
February 18th, 2012
7:10 pm
I say Portland wins because this game is on national TV.
System Update
February 18th, 2012
7:15 pm
Sautee heres the main difference between Al and Zaza, to quote Zaza
“I am not the type of player who makes problems for the team,” he said. “It’s about the wins. ”
http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-hawks/hawks-zaza-pachulia-filling-1352048.html
Slimjr
February 18th, 2012
7:24 pm
Uh Oh, another Nationally televised game?
Maybe they were told it is a locally televised game? Hahahahahaha Sheesh…..
Dawg
February 18th, 2012
7:24 pm
Teague will be here longer than Drew.
Sautee
February 18th, 2012
7:30 pm
T-s,
Nice link, man. Got any links that show that Horford was making problems? Cause I’ve never seen a story that suggested so. So if that’s the difference SURELY there would be such a story.
And about your buddy Teague there is this: Of all the PGs in the league with 40 or fewer starts, only Rubio and Kyrie Irvin have more assists. If you think that the 8th PG in his draft is going to be better immediately than two top 5 picks, well, I’d say your expectations are a little high. He’ll get better with experience, as almost all young PGs do.
System Update
February 18th, 2012
7:39 pm
How about asking of all the point guards with 3 or more years of experience. Better yet how about putting him in the category where he competes? of all guards in the NBA
Its amazing how you guys try and manipulate data to say your favorite Scrub is not a scrub at all.
LOL
Yea, 2 things. Most players have agents and are taught what is the politically correct thing to say. And 2 it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that if MC says there is some locker room unrest and strife going on behind closed doors that we can figure out the bull crap. Zaza is just saying… you dont get that madness from him. This has been a mo better team since Al was banished to the injured self-destruct league.
System Update
February 18th, 2012
7:45 pm
new category:
Of all the point guards who are mentally challenged teague is has leading stats in every category.
Of all guards whose first name starts with j and last name with t….
of all guards, on a south eastern team, who inherited the starting position when the starter got injured…..
of all guards who have only played for 2 coaches or less….
Of all guards who cant work their way out of a paper bag….
Of all guards who did not earn the starting position…..
A SCRUB BY ANY OTHER NAME… IS STILL A SCRUB
Section 303
February 18th, 2012
7:58 pm
Watching the game tonight on Tybee Island. If anyone is in the area, my wife and I are at the Quarter Grill watching with some friends.
Sautee
February 18th, 2012
8:01 pm
“Sautee you are back in 2009. Get a grip. I am a zaza fan and always will be. hes getting better and is a great warrior. His good out weigh his bad.”
So you’re saying that his good outweighs this:
T-S
July 2nd, 2009
8:39 pm
“THOSE WHO FELT THAT ZAZA THE HUMAN TURNOVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN DUMP 1 1/2 YEARS AGO WERE RIGHT. ADD MY NAME TO THE LIST”
Hey, T-s, I’m glad that you could get over those feelings. It shows maturity.
O'Brien
February 18th, 2012
8:03 pm
Najeh,
Deng was -20 in 35 minutes PT
O'Brien
February 18th, 2012
8:06 pm
doc,
I was wondering the same thing. Can anyone share Gearon’s comments from the season ticket holders meeting?
System Update
February 18th, 2012
8:06 pm
lol Sautee
Zaza Lost his job to a scrub named Al, and was playing poorly. I called him out on it, Hes playing great for Zaza but not the type of center we need to win a championship… Whats your point?
System Update
February 18th, 2012
8:09 pm
comments from Gearon.
” that fcked up ass al hoford blocked my trade with that fake ass injury csh!t trick. the mudderfrker. Sorry ass teague is a boneheadbitch. I aint gonna get this hawks no damn center. Fck them. next stupidass quesion.”
Sautee
February 18th, 2012
8:14 pm
T-s,
My point is your un-admitted change of heart, and stick poking you about it. Nothing more harmful, just some gentle jest..
How bad do you have to be to lose your job to a scrub? Never mind, you can’t admit that in Al’s rookie year he was playing with passion that we need from him when he returns. Wish I could have said that about his playoffs last year.
northcyde
February 18th, 2012
8:19 pm
Donte, the fact that Teague had 8 assists in a game doesn’t mean that he’s a true PG.
Joe Johnson once had 17 assist in a game. That doesn’t make him a true PG. Teague wasn’t a true PG nor a high assist guy in college. He played more of a scoring lead guard. Teague’s worth to the Hawks is his ability to get to the rim and his defense. But n one is going to confuse Chris Paul with Jeff Teague.
You are right though. He’s the best PG we’ve had here since Mookie
Najeh Davenpoop
February 18th, 2012
8:22 pm
“I don’t see Rondo in Teague. I see Tony Parker with a 3-pt shot. The difference is when Tony was 23, he already had 300 starts in the league. He was a better finisher & drew fouls at twice the rate of Teague.
15+ pts. 3+ rebs. 5+ assists. 1+ steal. That’s where Teague should be by playoff time.”
Co-sign. Tony Parker is the best comparison for Teague. I think he’s fully capable of 2 steals per game, though. He’s pretty close already.
northcyde
February 18th, 2012
8:23 pm
And if I remember right, that 17 assist game was vs Indiana back in 2006. He had some crazy statline with 17 pts -9 rebounds, and 9 assists. I think he shot something like 3 – 16 fg that game.
System Update
February 18th, 2012
8:27 pm
Sautee, you are a wise and honorable man. Now archive that for those days when we are having a pow wow.
I have always been a Zaza fan, since he got in Garnett’s face, that was leadership and courage. If Al had Zaza’s heart….
Zaza was actually brought here to start. He is very capable of being a starter. He was extremely clumsy and error prone and I called him on it, but not to put him down but to lift him up. Thats what you are missing.
I got some running to do. Good chatting with you as always Mr, Sautee, I miss a blogger name Snowman who would get on me big time for criticizing Zaza.
3 years is a long time and Z is better now still not the guy to take us there but he may be equal to or better than Al right now.
Big Foot
February 18th, 2012
8:39 pm
The reason Teague couldnt start when he got here is teague is mentally deprived. Hes not smart enough. So he couldnt start. He couldnt move Old Bibby out. Teague is just not the guy you give the ball to and say run the team.
I see more a Roy Marble or a Royal Ivey in teague with shades of Ed Gray.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 18th, 2012
8:51 pm
Twin out for an additional 3-4 weeks according to MC’s Twitter.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 18th, 2012
8:52 pm
“Deng was -20 in 35 minutes PT”
Dude looked like a more coordinated Marvin. Mike James was the best player on the court for the Bulls. A damn travashamockery for him to make it over Josh.
Astro Joe
February 18th, 2012
8:57 pm
Maybe Deng was tired after going for 20 & 10 assists in his previous two games where he played 40+ minutes?
Slimjr
February 18th, 2012
8:57 pm
Detective Sautee at your Service! lol
Impressive archive Sir for sure…….
Hope JT goes for 16 and 8 tonight!!!!! Larry leave Jeff alone man!!!!!!!!!!
soullrenaissance
February 18th, 2012
9:16 pm
Big Foot – that is just pure bovine excrement and you know it. LD is just partial to older, slew-footed, lack-luster, playing-time pirate, point guards and Woody died by that mantra.
Old Man Peabody
February 18th, 2012
9:18 pm
? What’s the difference between Teague and Lin.
Rev in Tampa
February 18th, 2012
9:21 pm
Sautee, I don’t know whether to be impressed by your memory or offer you counseling.
Section 303, I’m jealous. I did my pastoral internship at the Independent Presbyterian Church in downtown Savannah (Bull & Oglethorpe). If you do the downtown tour while your are there don’t pass up a chance to peek inside the sanctuary. It is quite impressive. And if you are a church-going man the pastor, Terry Johnson (a man), is my favorite preacher.
soullrenaissance
February 18th, 2012
9:21 pm
Its funny but as some previously pointed out on these blogs. Woody was a couple more bad games from being resurrected as interim-head coach with Bibby as his older, slew-footed, lack-luster, playing-time pirate, point guard to lead the Knicks into oblivion. LOL.
Air Zaza
February 18th, 2012
9:24 pm
System Update, I agree with you on Teague but your points on Horford is silly. Horford is clearly the best player on the team. When you say he isn’t, you show you have the Basketball intellect of a squirrel.
Air Zaza
February 18th, 2012
9:25 pm
Bibby when he first came to Atlanta first two seasons was a much better PG for us than Teague. Teague is our most talented PG since Terry. He’s not our best PG, that would be Bibby. We still don’t have a starting PG for our system.
Sautee
February 18th, 2012
9:43 pm
“Sautee, I don’t know whether to be impressed by your memory or offer you counseling.”
LOL, Rev, I could ALWAYS use the counseling. I’m even Presbyterian. But as far as memory, no, I just had to remember which blog in the archive to hunt for. It wasn’t that daunting.
Michael Cunningham
February 18th, 2012
10:04 pm
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.