Atlanta Hawks: They should shoot more 3s
Somewhere over New Mexico–The Hawks have slipped to 10th in offensive efficiency. I think the most realistic way for them to improve the offense is to attempt more 3-pointers.
The Hawks rank second in 3-point percentage (39.1). They rank 18th in 3-point rate (3-pointers attempted/field goals attempted) and are tied for fourth in the percentage of those 3s that are assisted (91.4).
The Hawks rank 19th in field-goal percentage on attempts from 16 to 23 feet (36.3), 3rd in attempts per game from that distance and 16th in the percentage of long 2s that are assisted. The Hawks rank 22nd in field-goal percentage at the rim (61.5), 13th in attempts per game from that distance, 10th in the percentage of baskets at the rim that are assisted and 13th in free-throw rate.
The Hawks have five players who are shooting better than the league average (34.6 percent) on 3s: Jeff Teague (45.3 percent), Marvin Williams (44.8), Willie Green (42.9), Vladimir Radmanovic (39.7), and Joe Johnson (36.9).
Three of those players are shooting well above their career norms on 3-pointers: Teague (career 36.8 percent), Williams(32.7), and Green (32.8). For two of those players there is a possible explanation for their sudden spike in percentage: Teague worked on his stroke all last summer (plus he’s still only , and Williams’ overall game is better since he had back surgery.
So Teague, Marvin, Green, Vlad Rad and Joe should all put up more 3s. Kirk Hinrich should join them. He’s shooting just 31.8 percent on 3-pointers but that’s with only 22 attempts; his career mark is 38 percent.
Considering both their personnel and their proclivities, it seems to me the easiest simplest way for the Hawks to improve their offensive efficiency is for the right guys to shoot more 3s (especially if they shoot more 3s instead of long 2s). I doubt any of my blog people this group has it in them to score more at the basket, earn more free-throw attempts, collect more offensive rebounds or do anything else that could lead to better offense.
But shooting more 3s? The can do that because they are pretty good at creating open attempts and they have several guys who can make them.
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Slimjr
February 14th, 2012
4:27 pm
“Kim Kardashian, Reggie Bush Spotted Together In Beverly Hills” This week!
Guess Reggie trying to jump start his career! Shes like his good luck charm or something to that effect? Hahaha…
Just Joe
February 14th, 2012
4:27 pm
JR Smith would be huge for this team. Leave Hinrich in LA after tonight’s game. Trade exception and Dallas’s 1st rd pick works for me.
JR gets a 1-yr prorated $5M deal, with a new deal worked out in the offseason.
Hawks still have the trade exception & 2nd rd picks to go after a player like Robin Lopez.
Slimjr
February 14th, 2012
4:32 pm
“SI Scout -”An opposing team’s scout sizes up the Hawks”
“For them ever to be a championship team — not just a playoff team ———-You shift Josh Smith to small forward and bring Marvin Williams off the bench. But until they go in that direction, they’ll be the best 6-foot-8 team in the league with too many forwards on the roster.”
October 22, 2008
But Sund re-signed Marvin Williams. Rereading Mark Bradley interview with him…What a joke.”
Billy “GTFO” Knight’s blue print: a bunch of mother freaking interchangeable forwards and the Championship is ours.. A point guard or two guard or real center? Huh? lol
Najeh Davenpoop
February 14th, 2012
4:32 pm
Maybe, on the other hand, they can be convinced to do this trade.
Hawks get Stephen Jackson, Jon Leuer, Jon Brockman
Bucks get Kirk, Marvin, and Erick Dampier
Why the Hawks might do it: Jackson’s contract is a year less than Marvin’s, and the possibility that Leuer’s mom is right about Leuer’s potential. If the trade gets Jackson motivated, he’s the best player in this deal, and he’s another guy in the starting lineup who can create his own shot.
Why the Bucks might do it: they save $3 million off the cap next year, get rid of Stephen Jackson who has been wanting out of there all year, and trade one guy getting consistent minutes for two guys getting consistent minutes.
Why the Hawks wouldn’t do it: Jackson is a major gamble, he’s owed $10 million next year which would probably have the Hawks over the luxury tax line, and you’re trading two rotation players for one rotation player, an unproven rookie, and an end-of-the-bench scrub.
Why the Bucks wouldn’t do it: Marvin’s contract.
SteveW
February 14th, 2012
4:52 pm
Leuer is 6-10 according to draftexpress – same as the new Marvin.
Marvin is quicker, a better shooter from NBA 3, a better defender, a far better rebounder than Leuer.
Leuer hasn’t played more than 7 minutes in the past 5 games, averaging like 1.8 and 1.3, with a DNP in there.
The scouting reports on Leuer, of which I could post some if I wanted to waste that time, say he’s a bad rebounder, can’t defend the 4 because he’s too weak and slow, can’t play the 3 because he’s too slow, but 3 is going to be his NBA position probably.
So I really am not trying to be negative, and maybe Leuer is Jeremy Lin and Skiles is too stupid to see it. But why get Leuer? We have a better version of him in Marvin – bigger (weight), quicker, better shooter (arguably)? Why not just use Marvin and be done with it?
The Monger
February 14th, 2012
4:55 pm
terrible article from an author that knows obviously nothing about the game of basketball or the makeup of this Atlanta Hawks team. His decision is based solely on the fact that “the Hawks are 2nd in the league in 3 point percentage”….yes one 28 game sample is enough to convince him that the Atlanta Hawks are “good shooters”. That is laughable, from watching these Hawks for the past 15 years or so, I cant definitively say we are the worst shooting team in the league, we cant put layups in the basket, we cant put jumpers in the basket, we cant (until this year) put 3’s in the basket. Collectively, we have some of the worst shooters in the NBA, and some of the worst I have seen in this league in a long time…Josh Smith is horrid, Jason Collins is terrible, T-Mac is now subpar, Kirk Hinrich is garbage, I could go on and on about the terrible shooters on this team, and even our “best shooters” like Joe, Teague, and Marvin are league average at their best and downright pathetic at their worst…
Now, you ask, how are they 2nd in the league in 3 point percentage?? Because we have played a laughingly easy schedule up to this point with I believe over 65 percent of our games against losing teams, also combined with the fact that MOST of the team is shooting above their career averages, some like teague and marvin are way above their career 3 point percentages….they will fall back to earth soon, especially against good teams…
Please dont make the Hawks think they are good shooters, Mr. Author, the only one who I have ANY confidence in right now to make a 3 point shot in a close game is Joe, and as everyone knows with Joe, its hit or miss depending on what night, against what team, and whether he feels like playing at all that night….sad, really…
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
4:56 pm
MB: Can you do that without a superstar?
RS: Define “superstar.”
MB: Is Joe?
RS: I didn’t say, “Ask me.” I said, “Define it.” [Laughter all around.] See, I listen to your questions. It gets into my theory …
MB: This is the “top 10 guys in the league” thing.
RS: You got it. Can you win championships and be an elite club with three or four players on your roster who are in the top 10 or 12 at their position? You can. Detroit showed that [in 2004]. Now [Chauncey] Billups today is an All-Pro All-Star, but he wasn’t when Detroit got it, and neither was Rich Hamilton. And neither was Tayshaun Prince. But Ben Wallace was in the top 10 of power forwards, and Rasheed [Wallace] went from a top five player in the league when he was at Portland to a top eight.
If you get enough players collectively who are in the top 12 or 13 at their position, you can win a championship. It’s been proven. And that’s what we have to do … We’ve got to do it collectively if we don’t have an MVP candidate.
—————-
Come on Sund. Top 12 or Top 13? Is that what Chauncey was at the time? Rip?
Aim higher. Top 5 at each position.
Josh Smith is a top 5 player at the SF. He shuts them down and boards up.
Joe Johnson is only behind Wade and Bryant.
Marvin and Bibby were the top 13 he must’ve been talking about. Sund is an idiot for resigning Marvin.
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Skiles wants him to play inside because they have a bunch of shooters and want him to stick his 7 foot but inside to play POWER forward inside. They basically want him to be active inside like we want Josh to be for us. That isn’t his strength.
If you watch him shoot a 3 in the NBA you see he has a smooth short quick stroke. And then check his shooting #s.
I think I have a vid with him shooting a step back 3. Pretty sure both 3s I have him shooting are both buzzer beaters.
I dont know if the Bucks would be better telling Leuer to stay outside and Delfino and Dunleavy and Udrih will post up. Maybe thats why Skiles wants him posting up.
That has nothing to do with us however. We have Joe and Josh at the wings.
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Just look at why Marvin has failed. Too lanky and slow shooting. Too small to really box out or block shots. Enter Jason Collins and the “Twin lineup”.
Even if you cant see it. Size helps.
Now if you want to see the top SFs and PFs in the league you will notice they have similar traits. They are not slow shoters.
Outside of an occasional Durant they all have similar physical attributes that got them in the league.
You look at the smooth shooters and then look at their measurements and you will notice something very strange. Most of them all fall into the same wingspan range.
Between 6′11″ and 7′0″.
Vince Carter, Paul Pierce, David Lee, Carmelo Anthony, Chris Kaman, Charlie Villanueva, Josh Smith, Damien Wilkins, Blake Griffin, Ty Hansbrough, Thaddeus Young, Kevin Love,
Leuer is not a great 1 on 1 player and his defense is average. He can box out and hold arms but not real active like Ilaysova or Mbah a Moute. THose are what Skiles feels he needs. Activity and athleticism.
But we have that in Josh Smith. Milwaukee’s problems should not concern us as Hawks fans. Thats bad GM type thinking.
Im talking about being 7 foot tall and hitting an open shot. He can do that to aplomb. And those are a shocking # of talented players that fall into that 6′11-7′0 wingspan range. Leuer is stiffer but can hit the shot and is not easily contested and help our Marvin issues.
Just call me the wingspan scout. I did the work to find a good player now Sund needs to make the trade.
SteveW
February 14th, 2012
5:01 pm
I mean isn’t Vlad Rad Jon Leuer already?
yodaddybrother
February 14th, 2012
5:01 pm
Hawks about to get they ass kicked tonight
prison mike
February 14th, 2012
5:01 pm
Hawks need to work it in the post more to JS and let him kick it out for the 3 pointers. Been saying it for a while but on the right block he’s so so. On the left block he I would say “almost elite”.
It won’t matter against LA because they have too much size for an NBA team.
LT
February 14th, 2012
5:03 pm
@The Monger “Because we have played a laughingly easy schedule up to this point with I believe over 65 percent of our games against losing teams, also combined”
Most of the teams in the east have been playing against teams with losing records…. The Heat are the only team in the east with a winning record against .500 or better teams.
SteveW
February 14th, 2012
5:05 pm
So let’s quit the myth – Leuer is 6-10 w/o shoes – not 7-0 even with shoes. So let’s deal in truth here. So just how is Leuer different than Vlad Rad? Great shot, poor rebounder, around average in other areas.
Sounds like Vlad Rad to me – except he’s 380,000.00 cheaper but with no NBA experience.
Sautee
February 14th, 2012
5:07 pm
“Now, you ask, how are they 2nd in the league in 3 point percentage?? Because we have played a laughingly easy schedule up to this point with I believe over 65 percent of our games against losing teams, also combined with the fact that MOST of the team is shooting above their career averages, some like teague and marvin are way above their career 3 point percentages….they will fall back to earth soon, especially against good teams…”
Not saying they won’t fall to earth, but…
The hawks have played 28 games. 14 against below .500 teams, and 14 against above .500 teams. I don’t believe that’s anywhere close to 65%.
“even our “best shooters” like Joe, Teague, and Marvin are league average at their best and downright pathetic at their worst…”
Here’s what MC just posted: The Hawks have five players who are shooting better than the league average (34.6 percent) on 3s: Jeff Teague (45.3 percent), Marvin Williams (44.8), Willie Green (42.9), Vladimir Radmanovic (39.7), and Joe Johnson (36.9).
If they are shooting BETTER than league average, than how the F are they, as you described it
“league average at best”
Reading is fundamental.
SteveW
February 14th, 2012
5:07 pm
Chicago has played a far easier schedule than the Hawks according to Hollingers strength of schedule. So has Boston and Philly if I’m not mistaken, without looking….
Sautee
February 14th, 2012
5:11 pm
I’ll try this again.
Pointguardslim,
If Leuer is such a “stretch 4″, then why has he only attempted FIVE 3 point shots out of 122 total attempts?
And with that small of a sample, why are you convinced he will thrive?
And if the 3 is a strength of his, why isn’t Skiles using him that way?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 14th, 2012
5:13 pm
The Hawks are 23rd in strength of schedule. The Sixers, Bulls, Knicks, Celtics, and Magic have all had easier schedules. The Heat schedule has only been slightly harder (they are 22nd).
The Lakers, on the other hand, have the 4th hardest strength of schedule so far, so their 16-12 record is probably a little deceptive. The Bucks (9th), Bobcats (10th), and Pacers (14th) are the only teams in the top half of the league in strength of schedule.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 14th, 2012
5:13 pm
^the only East teams in the top half of the league in strength of schedule
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
5:17 pm
@SteveW
Leuer is listed as 6-11.5 and 6-11 according to draftexpress. The new Marvin? is 6′9 on a good day. This is the beauty of draftexpress.
Marvin WIlliams was drafted with a 7′3.5″ wingspan. Now click on wingspan on the measurements history. Scroll down to players with 7′3.5″ wingspan.
If Marvin were 6′10 and had a 7′3.5″ wingspan… he’d be physically the same as Chris Webber.
Marvin has not grown 2 inches into 6′10.
Marvin is not quicker, than Leuer. Much heavier. A worse shooter and easy to see why if you watch video. He’s shorter and easier to contest.
He shoots a lot from NBA 3, because his coach tells him too. A worse defender at the PF spot. Marvin is a SF and the only PF hes been able to physically match up with this year is Ryan Anderson.
Rebounding
ORB% DRB%
6.4 20.0
9.0 15.9
The one with more offensive boards is the 7 footer.
Marvin with his length is grabbing 13.2% of all boards. Leuer with his height is grabbing 12.3%.
Dont know whats gotten into you SteveW.
The scouting reports on Leuer,
We have a worse version of Leuer in Marvin – shorter, a slower shooter, And does not punish shooters.
It would be clear if you used video. Hopefully at some point I can make a video of Marvin vs Miami.
But he’s jumping, kicking his legs and bricking wide open shots.
The stats, history and video don’t lie. White boy is a pure shooter.
Marvin is worse at FT%, TS%, FG% BLK%, ORTG (I overlooked that!). And yes SGs and PG can keep him from getting a good shot in the post easily.
Dont know how you can take 3 pointers made when we see all the ones that he passes up because he takes too long to loadup and shoot.
Marvin starting is a version of the Hawks that must die. Need to get bigger and its insulting to intelligence and eye test to say that Marvin is same size or impact as Leuer.
Its crazy or more likely you’ve not seen Leuer play. He is not a SF. He’s a PF/C. And size matters with Josh Smith. Ask why Jason Collins started over Marvin. I will try to post the Leuer-Bulls video.
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
5:24 pm
1st video I saw is Leuer trying to play center. Got posterized by Taj Gibson. lol. That lack of defense again. But yeah no Josh Smith or Pachulia/Horford to help him.
He was playing center with Jon Brockman and Dunleavy. But here’s the points. Scored 18 pts in 2 quarters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D5ZNEzINfs
His white boy defense stands out with the Bucks thats full of nonexplosive athletes. But he is Gugliotta 2.0.
Jeff Teague
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith
Gugliotta
Pachulia (wait till Horford comes back)
I dont even care about 3s. How many midrange js were easily contested because Marvin’s average size or did he brick against the Heat for whatever reason.
Slimjr
February 14th, 2012
5:26 pm
The Hawks would be 10-18 if their schedule was the 4th hardest for sure!
23rd easiest? Yep we got fake out of our shoes to believe this team was a potential contender this year.. Now that’s an April fools joke that came early this year…….hahaha….
Slimjr
February 14th, 2012
5:28 pm
Marvin is a nervous wreck when he shoots the rock…The leaning and kicking his feet makes me nervous just watch that chit…………………….
Slimjr
February 14th, 2012
5:30 pm
23rd easiest schedule no wonder why the National media wasn’t buy your product Gearon Jr….You can fool some of us but not all of us Chump!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
honest_abe
February 14th, 2012
5:31 pm
“1st video I saw is Leuer trying to play center. Got posterized by Taj Gibson. lol. That lack of defense again. But yeah no Josh Smith or Pachulia/Horford to help him”
how in the world do you include pachulia in any argument for defense. if flopping constitutes great help defense then he should get a nod for 1st team all defensive team.
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
5:43 pm
So let’s quit the myth – Leuer is 6-10 w/o shoes – not 7-0 even with shoes. So let’s deal in truth here. So just how is Leuer different than Vlad Rad? Great shot, poor rebounder, around average in other areas.”
????? 6′10 without shoes? Josh Smith and Marvin are 6′7 without shoes. NBA hasn’t played without shoes for a couple years. SteveW. Are you following me?
I don’t blame you for not watching Bucks games, but Radmanovic is nothing like Leuer. Well they’re both white.
Radmanovic is the smaller weaker one with no defense and no absolutely no power in his game. He’s the one you can guard with SFs.
Leuer is the bigger one with 9% offensive rebound %. Josh Smith’s ORB% is 6.0% btw.
12.8%—Ryan Anderson
11.5%—Andrew Bynum
10.3%—Dwight Howard
10.1%—Zaza Pachulia
9.6%—Ivan Johnson
9.0%— Jon Leuer
8.8%— Al Horford
6.0%— Josh Smith
5.2%— Vlad Radmanovic
Thats offensive rebounding %. How many of your or your team’s own shots you get back. Some players play higher minutes than others but those are still respectable #s. I dont even know how you past the draftexpress listings, get past the eye test, but those are the #s.
But you got it ass-backwards if you think that Vlad Rad a SMALL forward is the same as Leuer.
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
5:48 pm
“pachulia in any argument for defense. if flopping constitutes great help defense then he should get a nod for 1st team all defensive team.”
Where’s Grizzard when you need him. A backup center that could start for quite a few teams. Voted by 5% of coaches for toughest player in the league.
Held Dwight Howard to 18 points in an overtime game. Yeah. No Horford and we beat the Magic. Partially because Josh was still on Hedo and Marvin could check and rebound a bit vs a PF in Ry Anderson.
But Marvin must go and Pachulia’s defensive rating is only 5 points behind Josh’s. He’s usually tied with Horford in defensive rating.
But I don’t see 6′11 270 lb Pachulia fouling out early vs Dwight, like Horford. Funny How that works.
ag
February 14th, 2012
5:54 pm
I did the math… the Hawks go as JT goes. Please do an article on it MC. Since KH return, we are 5-5 and LD has cut JT’s minutes. I broke it down in my last post.
ag
February 14th, 2012
6:06 pm
Interesting stats.. the Hawks are 12-4 when JT takes at least 10 shots. The Hawks are 5-5 since KH joined the team from injury. JT has NOT played over 40 minutes in non of these games and has played at least 30 minutes in only two of those (1-1). The Hawks are 5-1 when Teague plays at least 40 minutes. The Hawks are 4-2 when Jeff scorers 20.
W. R. Terrell
February 14th, 2012
6:10 pm
Shoot more 3’s? You gotta be kiddin me. That should have never been written. The worst 3 point shooter the HAWKS have is Josh Smith and he will be launching from everywhere now. You want more offense then LD should start TMAC in place of Marvin. That’s one simple fix and make Josh rebound consistantly as in at least 12 a game he’s capable of that. This 5 game road trip will be a bruiser and we all may see the truth of our “Beloved” HAWKS.
cdog
February 14th, 2012
6:26 pm
mattp, i agree with you totally.thats where our number 1 problem comes in as i been saying all along, rick sund.its been 5 years and the hawks still don’t have a good center. why? because sund is an incompetent GM.TEAGUE HAS PHYSICAL SKILLS ON HINRICH BUT HINRICH HUSTLES, PLAY WITH BETTER FUNDAMENTAL SKILLS AND IS SMARTER THAN TEAGUE.JANNERO PARGO LOOKS MORE LIKE A POINT GUARD THAN ANY OF THEM WHEN HE PLAYS.I THINK DREW SHOULD START HIM, HE CAN’T DO ANY WORSE.
northcyde
February 14th, 2012
6:27 pm
MC. . . . . it’s OK man. You can say it.
Marvin Williams needs more minutes and shots.
Especially since he’s become a deadly 3 point shooter this year. At least 3 of the jumpers that Smith takes per game, should be going to Marvin.
According to hoopsstats.com, Marvin ranks 18th in efficiency amongst SFs with an 11.6 rating. Those are average SF numbers. Here’s the problem. He ranks 34th in minutes at 24 minutes a game.
Let’s repeat that.
18th in efficiency – 34th in minutes
So what might happen if he got more minutes and shots?
People complain because he starts. But he’s playing bench minutes. Play him starters minutes for the next 5 games, and see what happens.
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
6:30 pm
Teague is regressing. Josh cant get rebounds if they dont miss shots lol.
If you want to make the team rebound consistantly put Smith at the wing and go big. The T-Mac fans need to see what Drew sees. He’s even smaller than Marvin. period.
It comes down to a rebounding shooter. As soft as Vlad is I think he should start and be done with it. Marvin as a super-sub wing with T-Mac could come to fruition.
Sautee
February 14th, 2012
6:34 pm
“The Hawks are 5-1 when Teague plays at least 40 minutes. The Hawks are 4-2 when Jeff scorers 20.”
OK,. let me preface this by saying that Hinrich has played too many minutes, given the job Pargo was doing. Also, the Hinrich that we see today is NOT yet the Hinrich of the Magic series.
That said……
For the last 10 games since KH returned Jeff is a total -7 in the minutes he has played. Kirk is -4.
To me, that says that neither of them has set the world on fire. About that 5-1 record when Jeff plays 40 minutes, well that was against the Bobcats, the Nets, the Raptors, the Bucks, the T-Wolves, and the Heat. One quality team, and that was our losing 3 OT game.
His 4-2 record when he scores 20: against the Nets (twice), T-Wolves, Spurs (in a blowout loss), Hornets, and Sixers (loss). Once again, losses to the only quality teams on that list.
I’m a Jeff Teague fan, but he has not played particularly well for this last ten game stretch, since Hinrich came back. I want him playing so well that we could trade Hinrich, but I wouldn’t pull the trigger based on the last ten games. I keep hopin’.
MattP
February 14th, 2012
6:42 pm
Sautee,
Teague has started out a few of these last games looking good but Drew ruins it but benching him for Hinrich.
Larry
February 14th, 2012
6:42 pm
Hey Larry, betcha will be throwing in the towel mid-way through the 2nd quarter?
Watch…….
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
6:43 pm
What happened when we were down 10 and Marvin got reinserted for McGrady who was posting up?
We start “jogging” (I refuse to use runnning) Marvin off of screens and turning the ball over.
18th in efficiency. As in mediocre. As in he bricks fast break dunks and air balls layups. 18th in efficiency as in he does not no easy shots. He kills momentum.
What the hell is wrong with Hawks fans actually PROMOTING mediocrity.
Player Name EFF
LeBron James 30.58
Kevin Durant 26.48
Josh Smith——–19.74
Paul Pierce 18.83
Carmelo Anthony 18.36
Danilo Gallinari 17.96
Andre Iguodala—17.79
Luol Deng———-16.95
Gerald Wallace—16.56
Rudy Gay———–16.22
Danny Granger—-14.85
Trevor Ariza 13.21
Jared Dudley 12.73
Nicolas Batum 12.54
Dorell Wright 12.50
Caron Butler 12.30
Marvin Williams 12.13
That is a surprising stat, but I guess efficiency measures how productive you are with your time.
Hmm? 18th or 3rd.
You have to go all that way down the list meanwhile Josh Smith’s efficiency would rank just behind Durant and Lebron James at SF.
But your main concern is finding minutes for Marvin???? Who ranks behind Trevor Ariza? What?
Your main concern should be Josh at that SF spot so we can be elite. Not giving minutes to Mr. 18th in Marvin.
This is mind-numbing. Marvin is less than 1/2 as productive as Lebron and worse in his minutes and you want to give him more minutes? We got blown out when he came back in the game.
Find a PF shooter and rebounder so Smith can move to SF is the Hawks only concern.
Player Name EFF
LeBron James 30.58
Kevin Durant 26.48
Josh Smith——–19.74
Paul Pierce 18.83
Carmelo Anthony 18.36
or stay with Mr. Irrelevant
Marvin Williams 12.13
Rusty
February 14th, 2012
6:52 pm
For years we needed a good pg. Finally we have one but this stupid coach is trying to screw him over. Any nitwit can see he has every thing but a dumb coach doesn’t want him to succeed.he has blazing speed & can get to the basket any time, plays great defense,don’t turn the ball over a lot.his outside shot might not look great but he has proven that he is pretty efficient in making them. The only he lacks is a coach willing to give him the job.let’s be trueful KH has had his upside & has seen his better days.he doesn’t have great speed,can’t get to the basket,can’t guard quick pg’s.he never was that great in his prime. Why even think of KH ,he is not the future. I’ve not seen any downside with this kid other than LD trying to hurt him
Sautee
February 14th, 2012
6:56 pm
MattP.
“Teague has started out a few of these last games looking good but Drew ruins it but benching him for Hinrich.”
First, ALL of these players are supposed to be professionals. Come in, do your job while you are on the court. If Jeff can so easily be thrown off his game by being pulled, then he’s not filling his job description. Yes, if he’s scored 10 in a row and LD pulls him, go ahead and scream, but that’s NOT what’s been happening. In 5 of the last 6 games, Jeff doesn’t have a steal.
Think about that for a moment. he’s near the league lead in total steals, but NONE in 5 of the last 6 games. That shows a passivity that we weren’t seeing earlier in the season. If Jeff can’t be aggressive, he’s not nearly as effective.
IMHO, LD is not the culprit here. Teague’s own self-doubt has shown itself through the last three years. That said, I’d like to see Kirk play WITH Teague some, with either Joe or T-Mac at the 3.
Rusty
February 14th, 2012
6:58 pm
I’m so sick of the raw deal he has been given. I’m sure that there is a lot of teams in the NBA who would be glad to take him off our hands.
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
6:59 pm
Let’s repeat that.
18th in efficiency. Yet you want to give him more minutes? Efficiency goes down with more minutes.
How about we bench Josh and let Marvin go to work. Terrible. Marvin gets no minutes and fewer touches because hes easy to defend.
What?? Shoot more 3s? You only get 24 seconds per possession and Marvins passing them up. Hes a starter passing up shots. Not even looking at the rim.
Whatever. Smith has not been scoring on Gasol in the halfcourt for a few years. Gasol isnt one of those dopes who falls down and lets Smith get dunks in transition.
Gasol will smother his hook shot attempts and stick a hand in his face when shooting. Too long,
We’ll see if Josh Smith can pull of 1 of his triple doubles and hit jumpers, carry sorry Marvin to the promised land.
Knowing Duck he’ll man up…Marvin goes for 30 & 10 while boxing out Gasol regularly and allowing Smith to roam on defense tonight? smh
Rusty
February 14th, 2012
7:00 pm
In order for this team to be any better than it’s has been over the past 3 years JT has to succeed.
MattP
February 14th, 2012
7:01 pm
“That said, I’d like to see Kirk play WITH Teague some, with either Joe or T-Mac at the 3.” – Sautee
I do agree with you here.
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
7:03 pm
“I’m so sick of the raw deal he has been given. I’m sure that there is a lot of teams in the NBA who would be glad to take him off our hands.”
“Hawks considering trading guard Jeff Teague and swingman Maurice Evans to Cleveland for guards Ramon Sessions and Manny Harris, source said.”
Feb 22, 2011
Marc J Spears Twitter
The next day Bibby was traded.
I did not remember seeing that…. But The hindsight at the ineptitude is shocking here.
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
7:04 pm
http://slumz.boxden.com/f16/hawks-trading-ramon-sessions-1500304/
pointguardslim
February 14th, 2012
7:07 pm
“…I’m a cavs fan and even I don’t want this trash….Maurice Evans? funk outta here”—
A cavs fan on Teague and Mo Evans vs Ramon Sessions + Manny Harris (D-league)
Sounds like Hawks bloggers on Jeff+Joe+Josh+Leuer+Horford lineup.
Lets see what Marvin does. And how Josh does vs Gasol.
northcyde
February 14th, 2012
7:09 pm
PG slim. The entire team played lousy vs Miami. I questioned that move myself. With the lineup Drew had in the game, JJ should’ve been the choice to replace T-Mac, not Marvin.
As for Marvin’s efficiency, that number usually correlates with minutes. Every other starter sees his efficiency rank at his position correlate with his rank in minutes at that position. Only Marvin has wild fluctuations in minutes compared to efficiency.
As for Leuer, you tell that bum to play his way onto the Bucks roster before he even begins to play for a playoff caliber squad.
Rusty
February 14th, 2012
7:16 pm
MattP why would you want JT & KH play together. KH isn’t big enough to play 2 guards. To develope JT as your pg why would you have him playing with KH. It’s bad enough with JJ trying to have the ball go through him,also I don’t think you could depend on KH to give you a lot of points.
flash
February 14th, 2012
7:24 pm
Kirk and Marvin for Ellis and Udoh. Both teams benefit
Admiral Ackbar
February 14th, 2012
7:25 pm
Wow, maybe Sunday wasn’t a fluke for the Hawks. Miami is tearing up the Pacers tight now…
ITS A TRAP!!!!!!!!
Admiral Ackbar
February 14th, 2012
7:29 pm
Lakers are 11-2 at home….
ITS A TRAP!!!!!!
MattP
February 14th, 2012
7:31 pm
Rusty,
So you are saying he is not big enough even though there are other SG out there his size? It really depends on the matchup. He is a good defender, you do not need him to score a lot, just for him to stop the other SG from scoring.