Heat at Atlanta Hawks Game Thread

Vivlamore filling in for tonight’s game against the Heat.

Here is your report from the morning shoot-around.

Josh Smith insists he is not playing with a chip on his shoulder.

However, in the past two games the forward has put up impressive numbers – despite again being snubbed from the NBA All-Star team

In wins over the Pacers and Magic, Smith is averaging 25.5 points, 10 rebounds, four assists, three blocks and 2.5 steals. They are all above his season averages, especially his 15.9 points per game.

“I’ve just been playing,” Smith said Sunday morning before taking on the Heat in a nationally televised game. “I’ve been playing like this since the season started. It’s really not a chip on my shoulder. I’ve been blessed to be able to step in in Al [Horford’s] absence and just been playing some good basketball.”

Smith is averaging 15.9 points and 9.8 rebounds in the 16 games since Horford was lost to a torn left pectoral muscle. The Hawks are 11-5 without Horford.

“I’ve always stated that he is a guy who can impact the game on both ends of the court, which he clearly did in our last game against Orlando,” coach Larry Drew said. Smith had 23 points and 19 rebounds in the overtime win over the Magic Friday.

* With the Heat in town, the million dollar question is how do you go about guarding LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

Here is Drew’s take: “They lead the league in fast-break points so the first thing you have to do is get back on defense. How do you do that? That is going to be controlled by your shot selection and that you are not turning the basketball over. Secondly, obviously in a half-court game, you are taking about LeBron [James], you are talking about Wade, you are talking about Bosh. All three guys are very capable of having huge nights. You just set your defense where you don’t put yourself at a disadvantage. Going into a game like this, playing against a team like Miami, you have to play solid on both ends of the floor. You have to do a good job of taking away easy transition points but on the other hand you have to do a good job of moving the basketball.”

* Horford attended the team’s morning shoot-around Sunday as a spectator. The center had his left arm in a sling.

1,002 comments Add your comment

Rob

February 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

Rob

February 12th, 2012
5:00 pm

Horford attended the team’s morning shoot-around Sunday as a spector. The center had his left arm in a sling.

How long before anything happens with Horford as far as rehab, getting that arm out of a sling?

hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
5:04 pm

soullrenaissance

February 12th, 2012
5:18 pm

This will be a good one. If the J Smash of Magic gam shows up – we win. If npt then who knows. Hawks go as Smith goes.

Tin Man and Scarecrow

February 12th, 2012
5:22 pm

It depends on when Al has had his fill of humping ms camel toe..

Lon Stotts

February 12th, 2012
5:25 pm

Let’s not sell Smoov short- he’s averaging 15.5 boards in the last 2 games.

Horf’s a “spector”??? Yikes!

Hope Bosh brought an extra pair of spandex for tonight. Just looking at Ivan should make him pi$$ himself.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
5:28 pm

“Horford attended the team’s morning shoot-around Sunday as a spector. ”

Is he dead?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
5:31 pm

Don’t turn it over, move the ball on offense, switch screens, and limit their dribble penetration. Hawks can win this game, especially if D-Wade doesn’t play.

MO

February 12th, 2012
5:39 pm

specter not spector. Like ND and LS said…
I hope you meant spectator.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
5:45 pm

From the last blog @ Tmabry:

The Hawks have to make money from those marquee games, so tix prices will be much higher. I guess my mentality is different because I’m a die hard, but I get enjoyment watching the Hawks play anybody. Doesn’t matter if its against the Heat or the Hornets.

LOL @ upper level seats being almost $80, when just last weekend I bought a 100 level club seat off the street for $40 for the Philly game. Hawk fans just have to go to watch the Hawks more, not just watch the Hawks play a marquee team.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
5:47 pm

D-Wade may not play?

That would help the Hawks and Northcyde United, my fantasy team.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
5:48 pm

“Hawk fans just have to go to watch the Hawks more, not just watch the Hawks play a marquee team.”

I don’t think there’s a single NBA city where ticket prices don’t go up on the secondary market when the Heat, Clippers, and Lakers come to town.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
5:48 pm

I saw some Heat fans on some message board discussing what might happen in this game if Wade doesn’t play, so I assumed there’s some truth to that, but I couldn’t find anything anywhere else to corroborate that. My guess is the Heat are at full strength.

Chris Vivlamore

February 12th, 2012
5:49 pm

Thanks for catching the typo. I shall fix. I’m hoping to get a few minutes with him tonight to update.

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
5:49 pm

1st of all the Hawks will / should primarily zone Miami.
2nd; We match up with the Heat better than most
due to their lack of size – much like us.
*[not talent]

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
5:53 pm

Chicago never panicked when they were down 10. Anybody’s game now.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
5:56 pm

I wonder why the Hawks don’t run pick and roll with JJ and Smith, like Boston just did with Pierce and Garnett.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
6:02 pm

Lil. Who does CJ Watson think he is? Derrick Rose?

CJ, you’re not running the Vols, you’re running the Bulls. He think he’s back in college.

Bigtime

February 12th, 2012
6:09 pm

Drew should be in the running for coach of the year…

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
6:10 pm

Hatter; I think this post has earned you a new moniker:

‘`Ditch~Weed`’ … yeah; I like that … !!

Sorry to ruin your time-line;
HS & College = done that; scouting and player development
is my calling card now.
I will appreciate you recommendation though.
With permissision, may I add you to my resume ?
Seriously – your endorsement means more to me than others.
Happy to have you on board.
When the opportunity presents;
we can get together and discuss basketball,
perhaps at a Hawks game.
____________________________________________

I look forward to mtg you.
____________________________________________

‘`After reading Grandads logic over the past years
and particularly his most recent posts.
I see why he is a blogger and not a coach.”

‘`Grandad is your garden variety arm chair coach.
Its further clear that he is not a professional manager
in employment and that his understanding of the game
and players ability is equal to Ouija Board Coaching”

‘`Drew may not call all the shots Id wish he would call
bet he’s running his offense, successfully,
and utilizing the talent and talent levels presented to him.
Talent by the way, he did not developed but Woodson did.”

‘`Grandad why dont you start with pee wee leagues
and run your offense. If its anything like your mouth it will be popping.
Then work your way up to the pros.
If you game is that strong you will probably do like Josh
and make the Jump right out of high school.
Let me know when you coach on the high school level
then I’ll lobby for you to get some college experience
and then finally a pro shot.
That should put us around 2056 AD.”
________ ________ ________ ________ ________

‘`Grandad;
is undoubtedly the largest consumer of marijuana in the state of Ga”
- Ditch~Weed – ….. formerly known as ‘`the Hatter”

Tin Man and Scarecrow

February 12th, 2012
6:13 pm

Ok so Al Horford is a spector, We all know that, Now lets talk about the guys that are focused on winning.

Pierce and Garnett are old, Josh is a young man and JJ is just in his prime. Im not basing this on age but declining skills. Garnett and Pierce can no longer create the shots the could in their youth so they must rely on tricks to get free. Both JJ and Josh can take you off the dribble and don’t need a crutch.

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
6:14 pm

I will appreciate you recommendation though

* should have been – typo / mispelled

I will appreciate *you[r] recommendation though

Tin Man and Scarecrow

February 12th, 2012
6:14 pm

Grandad. Cyber fist bump your way.

Tin Man and Scarecrow

February 12th, 2012
6:22 pm

Well Grandad I merely stated my opinion of your opinion and did so with out calling you out of your name(moniker). But hey, I can do that.

In a war of wit, many are unarmed and must result to name calling,

Its nice to know that gutter name calling is beneath such an excellent offensive co-coordinator as yourself Grandad.

What college do you coach for?

Tin Man and Scarecrow

February 12th, 2012
6:23 pm

*…can no longer create the shots they could in their youth so they must rely on tricks to get free.

Tin Man and Scarecrow

February 12th, 2012
6:24 pm

offensive co-ordinator

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
6:27 pm

I wish that JJ learned some of Pierce’s tricks. Especially when it comes to drawing fouls off of midrange jumpers. He’d be a much better player if he did.

And God knows if Smith had some of Garnett’s post moves and midrange game, Smith would be the best PF in the game.

Spyro

February 12th, 2012
6:29 pm

I wonder why the Hawks don’t run pick and roll with JJ and Smith, like Boston just did with Pierce and Garnett.

Because our coach isn’t that smart?

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
6:31 pm

Grandad, what do you think of the Hawks scouting dept and player development?

Sautee

February 12th, 2012
6:32 pm

“specter not spector. Like ND and LS said…
I hope you meant spectator.”

T-s thought he meant sphincter. After all, it was Al. ;-)

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
6:32 pm

Yes, a nationally televised game for the Hawks, I’m pretty sure you guys like your chances.

W. R. Terrell

February 12th, 2012
6:32 pm

Scary game tonight, we could see a 2 for 20 night out of the snubbed “ALLSTAR”. Hopefully we won’t and maybe, just maybe a 15 – 18 rebound night and no boggin or slowing the offense down by not giving the ball to the point guard and playing near the rim will help the snubbed ALLSTARS credibility. LMAO…Like Aretha once said, “Ain’t No Way!”. Oh yehhhh, Joe can move the ball a lil quicker too.

Agnew

February 12th, 2012
6:33 pm

Or it’s a unnecessary tool for old men…

Tin Man and Scarecrow

February 12th, 2012
6:35 pm

Sautee you sure he didnt mean Al is a spectacle?

Sautee

February 12th, 2012
6:37 pm

T-s,

I “see” what you just did.

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
6:40 pm

Dwyane Tyrone Wade averaging over 27 ppg the last 5 games, looks like he is back to form.

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
6:40 pm

Ditch~Weed

My teams ran motion offense [princeton style] for 30 yrs
my teams were running motion / princeton
while LD was still in college.

Not to mention – I’ve been LD’s biggest advocate on this board;
This Year !! (last yr, not so much)

This [princeton] offense is LD’s
or more accurately [Byron Scott's] offense.
-not Woody’s offense-
Even more authentic would be to credit
Pete Carril (the old Princeton Coach);
however, it may have been originated by
Cappy Cappon another former Princeton Coach from the 1930s.
Or; perhaps, Red Sarachek who coached at Yeshiva Univ for 40 yrs
beginning also in the 1930s.
_____________________________________________

Just the facts, ma’am.

Hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
6:40 pm

C’mon Hawks. Gotta hate the Heat.

doc

February 12th, 2012
6:45 pm

rob, no movement at all for 6 weeks was the report. nothing in rehab until then, so sling it is.

soullrenaissance

February 12th, 2012
6:45 pm

http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/

Ivan Johnson is garnering more national love!

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
6:52 pm

Perhaps the saddest thing about Whitney’s death, is the fact that we can’t celebrate her as she grew into old age. It’s incredible to think that other living legends like Aretha Franklin, Patti Labelle, Chaka Khan, and even her aunt Dionne Warrick all outlived her.

Whitney was supposed to be a part of a legendary cast of senior singers 20 years from now that would’ve included her, Janet Jackson, Anita Baker, Toni Braxton, Mariah Carey, possibly a singing group like En Vogue, and an about to turn 50 Beyonce ( playing a Tina Turner-esque role )

It’s sad that she didn’t live to be part of that group.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:00 pm

I think Ivan can be a secret weapon against Bosh. Bosh is kinda weak-minded and gets intimidated by certain guys… namely dudes who look like Ivan! Get Bosh off his game and let Smoove roam a bit to help on the Other Two.

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:00 pm

“Because our coach isn’t that smart?” -Spyro

AMEN, SIR. AMEN!

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
7:01 pm

Can’t wait to see Bosh and Smith go at it.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:01 pm

SoulRen, thanks for the link.

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:03 pm

“Can’t wait to see Bosh and Smith go at it.” Heat Fan

Agreed. Josh won’t admit it, but he is pissed he got snubbed again. Expect him to play Bosh like a man possessed.

vava74

February 12th, 2012
7:04 pm

What p:ssies me off about the Hawks – as a franchise – is that we are never rewarded by luck.

Yes, good management bring luck and makes good things materialise but why on earth we are never the beneficiaries of one of those transmutations that every once in a while happen in other ball clubs?

How food wouldn’t it be if one or two of our guys ended up maturing and getting it.

Like Josh finally starting to play to his strengths and become a bona fide 20/10 guy and Zaza finally becoming a guy whose effort level became constantly high – like Varejao, for instance – and became, now at 28 a bona fide post defender (not saying shot blocker – strictly man to man).

These thing seem so close yet they never materialise with Hawks. There is never a truly remarkable feel good story surrounding this team.

Ivan is the first thing remotely close that I can remember …

vava74

February 12th, 2012
7:05 pm

Apologies for the iPhone typos.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:06 pm

Hey Heat Fan, what’s up with your PG situation?

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:06 pm

Dude just used the word “transmutation” on a Hawks blog.

Awesome.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:08 pm

Let’s get it Hawks. For once, let’s impress the national audience.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
7:10 pm

Vava, I would add the lottery pick in 2007 that turned into Al, as a part of that “luck”. But I agree. That type of luck just doesn’t happen to us. Even in Ivan’s case, Sund may balk on signing him this summer if Ivan commands a mid-level deal for multiple years.

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
7:11 pm

nc

Pendergraph;
I do not see how he justifies his job.

They get lucky with veterans sometimes:
T-mac, Willie, V-Rad, even Pargo.

They drive me ape-shooshoo;
with nonchalance; r e, Mullens, Ajinca (should’ve been in camp)

Their drafts speak for themselves:
they treat the draft almost as if it’s a nuisance.

Player development:
-nonexistent- ….. D-League to Teague ???

Sund is on a Pension or so it seems.

ASG or whatever / whomever they are ?
No $ No $couting !
They draft Benson then cut ‘im ?

Winning Culture = Winning Organization = Top to Bottom;
Through & Through; Front to Back; Over & Over;
All the way around; hand in hand; Side by Side;
All In; Same Page; working for the same Goal = Championship !

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:11 pm

The Hawks got lucky when they got the #2 pick in 2005 with a chance to pick a franchise-altering point guard. Sometimes you have to make your own luck.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

It’s time to show and prove

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

Here come the 5,000 heat fouls.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
7:12 pm

Josh don’t foul out

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:13 pm

Josh can’t get in foul trouble

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
7:13 pm

Chalmers is solid, but our coaching sucks

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:13 pm

Wade just “Sprited” himself!

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:14 pm

Smith looking good from the perimeter. Teague not.

LOL @ Wade getting stuffed by the rim on the reverse.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
7:14 pm

like how our “stars” came out aggressive

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:15 pm

The rim is playing great defense so far for the Hawks.

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
7:15 pm

for Ditch~Weed

-retired-

Scouting and Player development *[service]

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:15 pm

Joe Johnson – don’t go to Vegas. You don’t know how to gamble…

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:15 pm

Hawks are moving the ball well on offense. Get some stops and let’s make a run.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:16 pm

There’s a trey by Teague.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:16 pm

Smith bailing out Joe on that possession…

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:17 pm

lol@ josh being 6′10

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:17 pm

Marvin’s a$$ was out of bounds, I guess…

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:17 pm

Not his foot, just his a$$

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
7:17 pm

good post defense….Lebron can’t muscle MARVIN!

Tin Man and Scarecrow

February 12th, 2012
7:18 pm

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
6:40 pm

“Ditch~Weed

My teams ran motion offense [princeton style] for 30 yrs
my teams were running motion / princeton
while LD was still in college.”

Dear Ass Breath, I see what you are saying, you did the same thing for 30 years and it got you no where now you are jealous of LD who has come along and has a successful pro career. You wish you need more about the game but it just wasnt your cup of tea. So now you are resigned to name calling and hating.

I hope you feel better.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:19 pm

2 bad turnovers for Marvin so far.

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:19 pm

why is marvin starting

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:19 pm

Marvin the playmaker, eh? FAIL

Can’t let the Heat run like this. They kill you that way.

Tin Man and Scarecrow

February 12th, 2012
7:19 pm

*You wish you knew more about the game but it just wasnt your cup of tea.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
7:19 pm

Josh aint want a foul…otherwise he would have tried to send that one

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

Marvin looks like he’s playing for the Heat to start the game.

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

Josh watched Wade lay it up, didn’t want to be on a poster lol

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

Basketball 101: Stop the ball on the break.

Rev in Tampa

February 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

Josh and teague were scared of the two foul rule so they let wade get the easy drive

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

Good timeout by LD.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

Ll . . .just let Wade waltz right down the lane. T-Mac and Kirk will be in when we come back from commercial.

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

most smart people in that position would have thrown the ball at the player legs but not marvin he literally just toss them the ball

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
7:20 pm

Please get Marvin out of the game. He is over-matched. Has no chance

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:22 pm

vava74

February 12th, 2012
7:22 pm

3 TOs in a row…

Marvin out of bounds,

Josh off rythmn jump shot (air ball should be credited as a TO),

Marvin going nowhere in the baseline…

This could be a crucially negative sequence.

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:22 pm

Jeff Teague for threeeeee!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:22 pm

Nice play by Teague.

Miami is getting their shots a lot closer to the basket than the Hawks are. That’s not a good sign.

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:23 pm

gotta go up strong zaza

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:23 pm

Marvin has to make those shots. Wide open.

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:23 pm

marvin brick=fast break for the heat

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:24 pm

Hit LeQueen again. He don’t like it.

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
7:24 pm

Keep going to the lane Heat, Hawks afraid to pick up 2 fouls

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:25 pm

Bob Rathbun trying to jump on the “clown LeBron’s hairline” train.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:25 pm

T-Mac mercifully in for Marvin.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:26 pm

Joe HAS to make those in this game.

SWAT Native

February 12th, 2012
7:26 pm

Yeah, we got Hubie tonight! Now for an accurate, knowledgeable, 3rd-party assessment of the Hawks.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:27 pm

Every Hawks shot is from 15 feet or farther. Nearly every Heat shot is from 15 feet or closer.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:27 pm

You know what? Josh is shooting from the same perimeter spot. I can’t get mad at that. I think he’s been practicing from that range and that area.

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:27 pm

drive and dish simple basketball

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
7:27 pm

don’t let it get away

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:27 pm

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:28 pm

Askin’ a bit much there – Zaza’s a TE, not a WR…

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:28 pm

has joe had a GREAT game against a elite team this season?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:28 pm

Closer to Reggie Kelly than Tony Gonzalez, on top of that.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
7:29 pm

you guys are so negative about the Hawks

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
7:29 pm

Can anyone tell me the Hawks / “Heat” fan ratio at Phillips?

vava74

February 12th, 2012
7:29 pm

Bad Josh emerging.

Rebounds seemingly under control lost…

Lack of energy statement coming.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:29 pm

Nobody at Philips can tell you anything because the Internet connection in there sucks.

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:30 pm

What y’all talking about? Zaza is a fullback. Lol

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:30 pm

Here comes Ivan.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
7:30 pm

everyone knows the Heat will hit a scoring drought once the defense tightens up and closes down the lane….Ivan Johnson time bcus “they don’t wanna touch that man!” via Barkley

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:30 pm

Be patient. Our real advantage vs these guys is on the bench

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:31 pm

T-Mac needs to be posting up, not Ivan.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:31 pm

Dunno bout Ivan’s post game…

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:31 pm

uh oh blowout

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
7:32 pm

TMac needs to shoot

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:32 pm

More jumpers. No attempt to go inside at all.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:32 pm

Ivan’s post D? Yes!!

Ivan’s post O? No!!

Blast

February 12th, 2012
7:32 pm

Hawks look sluggish.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:33 pm

Way to stick ur nose in there Goggles!

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
7:33 pm

Is anybody going to drive the ball?

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:33 pm

Blowout? I’m getting that feeling…

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:33 pm

Dumb fouls. I can understand vs. Bron, but that chump?

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
7:34 pm

gotta drive the lane….I think we’re settling just a tad

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
7:34 pm

Miami living in the paint

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:34 pm

lol joe is garbage when its time for “all star” “superstar” to step up..

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:34 pm

fade away jumpe…nothing new from joe

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:35 pm

No penetration. I feel sorry for fans who paid to see this game.

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
7:35 pm

Hawks didn’t do anything the last 5mins of the qtr….

Hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
7:35 pm

Bad quarter. We looked national TV scared again.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
7:36 pm

Blowout coming I sense……..

vava74

February 12th, 2012
7:36 pm

Yep. We’re fried.

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
7:36 pm

“Atlanta did not scoe in the last 4 and a half minutes” Hubie Brown

Sound familiar? Get used to hearing that a lot this year. We don’t have enough scorers.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:36 pm

Zero free throw attempts for the Hawks that quarter. That’s what happens when you shoot jumpers on every possession.

And if you are going to shoot jumpers against a good team, you better get some offensive boards when you miss, but the Hawks only have 1 as a team.

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
7:36 pm

Hawks have no inside game, gonna be their undoing in the playoffs

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:36 pm

Well, now we get to see what kind of internal fortitude our guys have.

Can anyone understand why we don’t run double (even triple) screens for Joe like Indy used to do for Reggie Miller? Joe is a real nice shooter, and right now he’s being smothered. Smart coaches know how to get their best player in position to score regardless.

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:37 pm

They are playing with zero confidence right now. They need to step up their play before they are down by 20 points.

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
7:37 pm

Too many jumpshots by the Hawks in that 1st qtr… It doesn’t make any sense b/c the Heat doesn’t have any shot blockers on their team…

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:37 pm

Closer to Reggie Kelly than Tony Gonzalez, on top of that.

:lol:

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:37 pm

<<<waiting for grammys/once upon a time/ the walking dead

OH

February 12th, 2012
7:38 pm

What a shock, Josh disappears on defense against an elite team and the Hawks follow.

Hawks Fan Down Under

February 12th, 2012
7:38 pm

Way too many jumpshots and poor transition D….this has blow out written all over it!!!!

ntrigue

February 12th, 2012
7:38 pm

I dont understand why coach continues to bring hinrich in to check quick guards soon as he comes in our defense breaks down! How long does it take for him to undrstand that? When were playing against quick guards bring Pargo in for teague nd use Hinrich to sub for Joe! Its not rocket science Drew just is lost!

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
7:38 pm

Nationally Televised games are not the Hawks specialty!

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
7:38 pm

“Sound familiar? Get used to hearing that a lot this year. We don’t have enough scorers.”

We sure do. Willie Green, Pargo, and T-Mac are easily capable of scoring when they need to, but Drew simply refuses to play them for more than 20 minutes a night COMBINED

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:38 pm

Of course it makes sense for the Hawks to shoot jumpers. It’s what they do – shoot themselves right out of a game against a team that features little-to-no rim defense.

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
7:39 pm

The Heat committed one foul in the 1st qtr. Hawks are not being aggressive

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:39 pm

That first couldn’t have gone much worse.

OH

February 12th, 2012
7:39 pm

No interior defense, no points in the paint, NO CHANCE.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:39 pm

Put Marvin back in. He’ll drive the ball. Right to the baseline and underneath the basket with his body pointed out of bounds, where he cannot possibly score.

:roll:

J.J.M.

February 12th, 2012
7:39 pm

so glad I aint spend my money to go see this predictable game

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
7:39 pm

Lebron gets every call and non-call in his favor…

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
7:39 pm

LeBron is simply UNSTOPPABLE when going full speed like that and when the Refs are on his side… nothing you can do there, he’s simply too good

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:40 pm

Really? Come on refs. The hawks are already down by 14.

Tootsi

February 12th, 2012
7:40 pm

This is not a game that Ivan needs to be involved in. He looks lost and like the undrafted 27 year old rookie that he is.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
7:40 pm

Love Hubie’s commentary

Telling it exactly right.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:41 pm

Good aggressive move by Kirk to draw the first Hawks foul of the night.

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
7:41 pm

Shane Battier is super overrated.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:41 pm

Here’s the bench comeback!!!

Hawks Fan Down Under

February 12th, 2012
7:41 pm

I wish Hubie Brown was our coach….

OH

February 12th, 2012
7:41 pm

Josh hits a couple Js — HE SHOULD BE AN ALL STAR

Then you watch him a little longer and realize why he’ll never be an all-star.

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
7:41 pm

wow nice post move by Zaza

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
7:42 pm

Looks more like the Princeton offense transmuting into St. Johns or Fordam University, the Hawks offense…..

ntrigue

February 12th, 2012
7:43 pm

Cole is killimg Hinrich!

Sautee

February 12th, 2012
7:43 pm

Transmuting is transmuting into a blog catch phrase.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:43 pm

I’d be curious to see Kirk on Wade, Joe on LeBron, and Smoove on Bosh, with Teague and Zaza taking their pg and C.

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
7:44 pm

Really the only chance we stand tonight is for Teague to have a great game…

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
7:44 pm

ATL pro team + national television. Those of us who’ve followed the city’s pro team for almost half a century already know what’s going to happen. Losersville lives on.

Sautee

February 12th, 2012
7:44 pm

See what transmuting just did?

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
7:45 pm

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
7:41 pm

“Shane Battier is super overrated.”

So is All NBA…….Yawn

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:45 pm

Three plays/shots I don’t have a problem with:

1) Going inside to Zaza.

2) Going inside to Josh Smith

3) Going to McGrady on the midrange jumper.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
7:45 pm

Make that “the city’s pro teamS.”

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:46 pm

Ok, so the bench has at least stopped the bleeding. Time for the guys to really put it on MIA’s bench and make up for their starters’ hot 1st.

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
7:46 pm

Atlanta is the only damn city in America that has THREE teams significantly over .500 with ownership groups that REFUSE to take steps to make the team ELITE.

Now I understand why fans won’t show up. Amazing how the same story exists with the Braves, Hawks and Falcons. The only owner willing to do anything is Blank, but with little impact (see Ray Edwards).

Braves 89-73…..CHOKE and UNDERACHIEVE
Falcons….10-6….CHOKE and UNDERACHIEVE
Hawks….18-9…CHOKE and UNDERACHIEVE

Many cities would be thrilled with this. In Atlanta it’s about lousy ownership.

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:46 pm

So… when is Teague coming back in?

ntrigue

February 12th, 2012
7:47 pm

Hinrich checking quick guards reminds me so much when we continued to let bibby play against quicker guards without using teague eventhough bibby ws getting used and abused cole is blowing by hinrich everytime creating mismatched on defense just about every play!

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
7:47 pm

All the Josh and Marvin comments are true, but the 20 million dollar man is the one that needs to show up.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

Shane Battier is super overrated.

Depends on how you rated him. Fact is, he’s one of the League’s best defenders. Still.

The Monger

February 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

I swear T-Mac has the worst shooting touch I have ever seen. I mean I have seen worse overall shooters, but for as smooth as McGrady’s form looks, he throws up some of the hardest bricks i have seen in my life. Its like he is throwing a two-handed missle at the rim, and not surprisingly they all clank out. I understand he is not the same T-Mac of 2002-2003, but in reality as long as he has been in this league he is still only 32 years old. His skills, especially his shooting should not have deteriorated this much….

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

Rod ,

Ain’t that the damn truth.

Hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

Get back in it

Tootsi

February 12th, 2012
7:48 pm

Ha, how could anyone listen to Larry Drew. He sounded overmatched right there.

Hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
7:49 pm

Shooter touch

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
7:49 pm

Wow we got a friendly roll!!

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:50 pm

About time we got a lucky bounce.

I notice nobody is screaming for Willie Green to be cut or traded. And those who were doing it in the first 5-7 games aren’t admitting it now…..

Sautee

February 12th, 2012
7:50 pm

Battier has never made an All-Star team, and makes a whopping $3M a year. How is that “super overrated”?

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
7:50 pm

Willie did not foul Wade

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
7:50 pm

Has it been almost a half a century already? WOW!!!!!!!!!! How will the next half 50 yrs.) transmute?

Who is Earl Lloyd of the St. Hawks?…

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:50 pm

told y’all to watch out for the bench tonight. Miami’s starters have an advantage, but our bench has the same. Gotta re-balance the score with the bench and hope our starters can get hot and keep up with those big three.

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:51 pm

Freaking refs.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:51 pm

Wade with the BS lean in. That’s how you know a guy ain’t a good shooter.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:52 pm

The difference in this game is rebounding and free throws. Both teams are shooting poorly.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:52 pm

I detest that BS call where dude doesn’t make a genuine shot attempt (meaning, he changes his shot in order to initiate contact)

The Monger

February 12th, 2012
7:52 pm

Another sad, uninspired game from the Hawks, this makes 5 out of the last . Due to the Hawks being jumpshooting happy, while simultaneously being the worst shooting team in the league, the Hawks offense can look downright scary bad for long stretches, I mean men’s church league bad. This is another one of these games, if their defense is not clicking and they are not getting lots of fast break layups and dunks its over….Sad and pathetic, cant play with the elites if you cant put the ball in the basket in a half court offense

Hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
7:52 pm

Meet the ball Teague

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:52 pm

Big Ray and I thinking alike tonight

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
7:52 pm

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
7:46 pm

“Atlanta is the only damn city in America that has THREE teams significantly over .500 with ownership groups that REFUSE to take steps to make the team ELITE.

Now I understand why fans won’t show up. Amazing how the same story exists with the Braves, Hawks and Falcons. The only owner willing to do anything is Blank, but with little impact (see Ray Edwards).

Braves 89-73…..CHOKE and UNDERACHIEVE
Falcons….10-6….CHOKE and UNDERACHIEVE
Hawks….18-9…CHOKE and UNDERACHIEVE

Many cities would be thrilled with this. In Atlanta it’s about lousy ownership.”

So will this City ever advance and transmute into a winning sports town?

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:53 pm

Get Green out of there.

Hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
7:53 pm

That D Wade guy is not bad

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
7:53 pm

game, nice try hawks

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:53 pm

Josh….this is what hurts your all-star chances….

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:54 pm

Gotta get Goggles on Wade. Everyone else is just gettin’ shook

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
7:54 pm

Down 13, the MORON Smith takes a 3-pointer.

This is an old script.

Anyone who thinks this team can win a playoff series is in the same category as Smith/

There is nothing elite about this team. They don’t shoot well, they don’t hustle back on defense and they don’t have a chance in hell.

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
7:54 pm

Josh doesn’t take that many long 2’s or 3’s anymore, but boy do they come at the WORST possible times

vava74

February 12th, 2012
7:54 pm

kevkat

February 12th, 2012
7:54 pm

Is there ever a nationally televised game outside of the playoffs where they don’t get blown out?

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

If Wade is in, then Joe should be in. Come on LD. Utilize your players!

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

This one is over. Game was lost in the first 8 minutes.

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

This look like one of those games where the Hawks will tighten their defense and start driving the ball to the basket when they are down 20pts in the 4th qtr to try to make a comeback….

OH

February 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

Are yall seriously blaming the refs? The Hawks aren’t even TRYING to get into the paint LOL

Stop making excuses for garbage.

The Monger

February 12th, 2012
7:55 pm

Josh Smith shooting 3’s is about as cringe-worthy as finding a Norweigan rat in your bed, while sniffing some spoiled milk, while some guy scratches his nails on a chalkboard….

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

Wade is a scorer not a shooter, I’ll take him over any jump shooter all day

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

20 mill man can’t make an impact if he’s not in the game.

Drew should’ve subbed JJ for T-Mac, not Marvin. Now the lead is 15 again. This is a 40+ minute type game for JJ, yet Drew is saving him again for some reason.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

It’s a bit early to call it “game” but Drew gonna need to make some adjustments, obviously

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

Josh has transformed and disappeared…

Time for the Grammy’s..I want to see Rhianna and Chris bang it out! Oops that did not transcend properly. My apologies to the Elegant Ladies of this awe inspiring blog!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:56 pm

Hawks are working so hard for every shot.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

Good fighting, Josh/Zaza

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

Should be down by 25 at the half….

OH

February 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

JOSH FOR THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:57 pm

Finally a call on Miami!!! Stop the presses!!!

Big Lou

February 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

That’s game. I just don’t see it happening. Later guys.

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

Wade out scoring Teague, Smith, and JJ combined

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

Men vs. boys. Good night.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
7:58 pm

Unless the loser mentality of ownership, players, and fans changes, the next half-century will be about the same as the past one.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

At least Teague gets somewhere near the paint when he throws up a brick, unlike every other Hawk who prefers to throw them up from 20 feet away.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

iso game has transmuted and evaporated!!!!!!!! They wan to go home and watch the Grammys YALL!

Tootsi

February 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

Could Marvin Williams be any more useless?

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

Here’s where Ivan can come in handy: go take Bosh and just scare the hell out of him

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

Joe is nonexistent on both ends.

Blast

February 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

Has Joe scored in this game?

falCans

February 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

why is LD pretending SMOOVE a 3??? His shot off tonight THROW HIS ASS IN THE POST

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

RCP [Rod from College Park]

Your post @ 7:36pm had me trippin’ harder than a bid dog. You’re right; the Hawks [team] doesn’t have enough scorers. I can’t understand why a lot of these bloggers don’t [or didn't] value Jamal Crawford as a prolific scorer.

The Monger

February 12th, 2012
7:59 pm

What is more pathetic….William Hung’s singing career or Marvin Williams trying to finish in the paint?? I would have to say Marvin. because at least Hung has completed several albums, whereas Marvin has yet to finish a drive to the basket without losing the ball, getting rejected, or flat out missing the shot.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
8:00 pm

Joe is playing like absolute trash.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:00 pm

Its has transitioned into a wrap men…

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
8:00 pm

These Refs should just wear Heat jerseys….

OH

February 12th, 2012
8:00 pm

They can’t rebound? Welp, don’t miss Horford, right?

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:00 pm

Smh @ JJ. Just shoot the damn ball. Stop all of that dribbling. Let that thang fly.

LOL then he gets fouled but no call.

MattP

February 12th, 2012
8:01 pm

And they wonder why no one wants to pay and see the Hawks…

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:01 pm

its 20:00! My flat screen has transitioned to the Grammys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Calvin

February 12th, 2012
8:01 pm

Whoever was saying that the Hawks have been better than the Falcons is a complete moron.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
8:02 pm

Your post @ 7:36pm had me trippin’ harder than a bid dog. You’re right; the Hawks [team] doesn’t have enough scorers. I can’t understand why a lot of these bloggers don’t [or didn't] value Jamal Crawford as a prolific scorer.

Yes, by all means. Let’s see if Portland will be willing to take our entire bench back in exchange for Jamal.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
8:02 pm

It’s basketball, y’all. Still at home. Generally a streaky team. Have a chance IF Drew makes those line-up changes he was talkin bout a few days ago.

The match-ups just aren’t working right now, so there’s no reason not to try a different look (as far as line-ups go).

phil

February 12th, 2012
8:02 pm

LOL at anyone who thought this would ever be a game….

We aren’t in the same zip code with these guys.

It’s embarrassing how bad we actually are against good teams.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:02 pm

Fire eveybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hit the remote…

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:02 pm

“Smh @ JJ. Just shoot the damn ball. Stop all of that dribbling. Let that thang fly.”

How about driving inside and drawing fouls instead of shooting the damn ball or dribbling? I guess that’s asking too much.

OH

February 12th, 2012
8:03 pm

Josh the all-star! Best player! Joe the all-star! 100M!

HAWKS FANS MAKE SOME NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIISSSSEEEEE! LOL

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
8:03 pm

Josh is gonna be dead by the end of the game, already played 20 min

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:03 pm

Drew should’ve subbed JJ for T-Mac, not Marvin. Now the lead is 15 again. This is a 40+ minute type game for JJ, yet Drew is saving him again for some reason.

Dude, you really need to stop with this Marvin stuff. Dude is horrible.

Hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
8:03 pm

Springsteen Rocks!!

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
8:03 pm

Larry Drew need to earn his money and get on these Refs…. The Heat are getting too many calls.

phil

February 12th, 2012
8:03 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:03 pm

“Whoever was saying that the Hawks have been better than the Falcons is a complete moron.”

Did the Falcons win a playoff game last night when I was sleeping?

No?

Then the Hawks are still better.

Let’s not go through this again. Feel free to look at previous blogs to see my stock responses. I don’t want to put the rest of this blog through this discussion again.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:04 pm

Bruce Springsteen voice is SHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:04 pm

Finally Joe makes a shot.

Tootsi

February 12th, 2012
8:04 pm

Disgraceful is the only word for this.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
8:05 pm

Teague missing a bunny.

How sad.

phil

February 12th, 2012
8:05 pm

Nice layup, teague! Moron

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:05 pm

Damn, even when the Hawks get layup attempts they can’t convert.

Ain’t our night tonight.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
8:05 pm

Rarely, kevkat. Very, very rarely.

OH

February 12th, 2012
8:05 pm

The funniest part? Drew complains about energy and the MAIN TWO PLAYERS walking up and down the floor are Josh and Joe! LMAO

Best team in Atlanta!

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:05 pm

Grate musician though!

LLCool J looks like hes on some strong juice!!!!!!

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Ain’t our half-century either.

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Take Marvin out and put in TMac or Willie. He is embarrassing to watch.

phil

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Marvin Williams. Zero ability in the post.

And we picked him 2nd overall?

Hilarious.

Rev in Tampa

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Iso Marvin. BLOCK!

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

bigdave

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Lol… I’m sorry but effort and energy starts with your best playe. Joe just does not bring that to the table.

The Monger

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Hawks getting absolutely murdered on the glass 26-13…Sund are you awake??? How about getting a LEGIT Center in here?? Another heartless, gutless effort by these clowns….Please stop supporting these bums at all you guys. Fan support, or lack thereof, usually forces the owners hand into stopping the insanity, I said usually because most sane and rational owners objectively look at ways to get better all the time. Sadly this is not the case with ASG, as they are so delusional and insane that they think this is A GREAT TEAM!!! They gave Joe Johnson 120 million dollars to average 19 ppg and disappear against good teams? They gave Marvin big money?? Please stop supporting this NONSENSE AT ALL… Eventually even retarded, irrational, head in the sand owners will notice when they are DEAD LAST in attendance….trust me they will get the message.

I, for one am ready for the Braves, because I will sadly not watch the Hawks again this year until new ownership and a whole roster overhaul is complete.

Tootsi

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Wow Marvin, wow.

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

This is turning out to be one of the most anticlimactic [NBA] games of the year for Hawks’ fans. The Hawks should be tired of getting clowned in their arena.

phil

February 12th, 2012
8:06 pm

Release someone!

bigdave

February 12th, 2012
8:07 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:07 pm

Now Marvin starts making shots. Thanks for waiting until getting down by 20.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
8:07 pm

Looks like that might be the recipe:

Just run!!!

Hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
8:07 pm

Slimjr

Boss never had great pipes. Great performer who sings from the heart

OH

February 12th, 2012
8:08 pm

Hawks always choke on national TV.

Blamne the refs? Best. Team. In. Atlanta.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:08 pm

Marvin could not get his shot off against my defense?

Fire Marvin….

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
8:08 pm

39 point half, simply embarassing

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:08 pm

Wade has 21, Lebron has 13, Joe Johnson has…..crickets.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:08 pm

Najeh he can’t get past Wade. And we all know that JJ doesn’t look for contact going to the hole, events if he should. So he has to shoot when open,, just like Marvin just did twice.

Hawks are losing this game on the boards and with their transition defense.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:09 pm

Now Joe decides to drive to the hoop. Thanks for waiting until getting down by 22 points.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
8:09 pm

Us Hawks fans never tire of getting clowned… otherwise we’d all stop being Hawks fans!

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
8:09 pm

The refs gave Joe that call. Trying to make stats not look so lopsided

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:09 pm

Bob needs to chill using the word “reacharound”.

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
8:10 pm

LT

February 12th, 2012
8:10 pm

Where’s LD? Why is he not coaching?

Fired LD!!!!!

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
8:10 pm

This game is done. Heat are running the break a will. We’re doing almost nothing right.

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
8:10 pm

In reference to this game,

the Heat = the Harlem Globetrotters in their prime and at their best.
the Hawks = the Washington Generals in their futility and at their worst.

LT

February 12th, 2012
8:11 pm

And im tired of hearing the word “energy”

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
8:11 pm

Good thing Ivan doesn’t watch tape… or he wouldn’t have foul Lebron with less than a second on the clock.

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:11 pm

We sure play much better defense without Jamal.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:12 pm

Good music tonight on CBSHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Screw the Hawks who have transitioned into THE CHOKERS ONCE AGAIN ON THE NATIONAL STAGE!!!!!!!!!!!1

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
8:12 pm

Worst part about this is that the Heat are going to pour it on in the 2nd half.

People pay money to see JOSH SMITH?

There’s a reason the guy’s a “snub” — HE IS NOT AN ALL-STAR!

Neither is Joe Koncak.

Championship teams play hard. Hawks are a joke.

IceColdATLien

February 12th, 2012
8:12 pm

Down 22 sucks, but it is Bball. It’s critical that our guys don’t come out to lay down in the third. Losing is one thing. Laying down is something entirely different.

vava74

February 12th, 2012
8:13 pm

MIA came better prepared and better coached.
Their D has been excellent and ours crap.

That’s both on LD and the players

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:13 pm

“This game is done. Heat are running the break a will. We’re doing almost nothing right.”

I told you that 12 minutes ago.

phil

February 12th, 2012
8:13 pm

This game wqs over before it started.

Get real, peopple.

We’re a second round and out team as usual.

If we get that far. It gets so old.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:13 pm

Playoffs? HAHAHAHAH…….

Tootsi

February 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

Not even the Kings or Wizards would be getting killed like this in a national TV game. Pathetic.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

Prediction: Hawks transmute into an ECF participant in the year 2063…

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:14 pm

“Losing is one thing. Laying down is something entirely different.”

7 of the Hawks’ 9 losses have been by 9 points or more. This is the Hawks’ MO. There are few hard-fought losses with this team. Either they show up and win, or they lay down and get blown out.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:15 pm

50 years or so..

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:15 pm

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:16 pm

“Now Marvin starts making shots. Thanks for waiting until getting down by 20.”

Northcyde will talk about him hitting those shots not realizing that he is responsible for us getting down early.

vava74

February 12th, 2012
8:16 pm

Rod,

Stop being an idiot. We are not missing Jamal tonight.

That would be bringing a fire hose into a thunderstorm.

We are missing better preparation.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:16 pm

Chris Brown up next transforming into MJ2!

Hawks Fan Down Under

February 12th, 2012
8:17 pm

The Tinmen will not come back from this. Game will, at best, be a 20 point loss.

I cant see 1 thing they are doing well. What a joke. It takes zero talent to get back on D, zero ability to at least try to box out your man, and no skills to get in front of a them on a fast break.

And are they even running ANY sort of offense out there?

Just terrible……

Hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
8:17 pm

Done, embarrassed, etc. No reason not to give up the remote to my wife and watch the Grammy’s. Hawks make me feel less of a man.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:17 pm

Rod’s transforming obsession with JC1 is remarkable….

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:18 pm

Wilbon calling out the Hawks’ effort, kind of like we all do every day.

THAD YOUNG & ALL US 76ERS

February 12th, 2012
8:18 pm

ATLANTA YOU CAN WATCH A REAL TEAM PLAY TOMMOROW WE ARE AT CHARLOTTE WHO HAVE LOST 14 IN A ROW GOING ON 15 TOMMOROW NITE

heartofdarkness

February 12th, 2012
8:19 pm

Maybe Hawks don’t like playing in Atlanta. Bad vibe, or something.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:19 pm

Lol@ Rod’s 8:03 post. He hates Marvin so much that even when I stated that Drew should’ve subbed JJ for T-Mac instead of putting Marvin in the game, he reads it the opposite way

kevkat

February 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

Thanks fellow…I can’t stomach watching the game and decided to check in with the blog occassionally which tells me all I need to know.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

“We are not missing Jamal tonight.”

Jamal wouldn’t have the Hawks winning this game — they are losing mainly because they are getting outrebounded, and Jamal would only hurt in that regard — but with him around, they wouldn’t be struggling this badly to score.

Of course, they also wouldn’t be struggling this badly to score if they would just share the ball better and be more aggressive driving the ball inside. The advantage of having extra scorers is for those situations when your team isn’t executing well.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

These chumps mailed it in tonight..

Hey Coach you have got to ban these dudes from attending the shoe modeling contest on Saturday Night’s @ The Infamous Magic City Club and Entertainments!

kevkat

February 12th, 2012
8:20 pm

can’t stomach watching the game..checking in with the blog tells me all I need to know

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:21 pm

“Stop being an idiot. We are not missing Jamal tonight.

That would be bringing a fire hose into a thunderstorm.

We are missing better preparation.”

Yeah, I’m sure Jamal would come out and play scared against Wade like the 20 million dollar man. You’re right.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:21 pm

@Hawkfan

I’m surprised you weren’t already watching the Grammy’s. I was. The Hawks are literally a terrible home team. They defy all logic.

kevkat

February 12th, 2012
8:21 pm

oops..so disgusted I said the same thing twice…

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:22 pm

@Slimjr

funny I told my pops they were at Magic City last night after the 1st quarter

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:22 pm

Zaza has 5 boards, Josh 4. The rest of the team combined has 4.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:23 pm

Rod, the end of the night game flow will show that the Hawks were only down by 3 when Marvin exited the game in the 1st quarter. While Marvin’s play may have prevented us from having the lead, the Hawks were still well in the game when he went to the bench.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
8:23 pm

Something’s eating my posts. Like Miami’s eating the Hawks’ lunch.

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:23 pm

“Lol@ Rod’s 8:03 post. He hates Marvin so much that even when I stated that Drew should’ve subbed JJ for T-Mac instead of putting Marvin in the game, he reads it the opposite way”

Why does that shock you so much. You are the only clown he can’t see how terrible he is.

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
8:24 pm

Hawks messed up by letting us wear our white uni’s

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:24 pm

LADY GAGA looks like the Lizard Lady tonight!!! OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
8:24 pm

Somebody still tell me why stand in the corner Marvin William is starting ?

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

KevinM

February 12th, 2012
8:24 pm

Gotta stop drives to the bucket…it’s a layup drill.

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
8:25 pm

I know I make [spelling, grammar, etc.] mistakes on this blog but “Magic” Johnson is just killing the English language and is just outright butchering some of these [NBA] players’ names.

THAD YOUNG & ALL US 76ERS

February 12th, 2012
8:26 pm

IM ASHAMED TO HAVE PLAYED AT GEORGIA TECH, I SHOULD HAVE PLAYED AT TEMPLE OR VILLANOVA

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:26 pm

“Rod, the end of the night game flow will show that the Hawks were only down by 3 when Marvin exited the game in the 1st quarter. While Marvin’s play may have prevented us from having the lead, the Hawks were still well in the game when he went to the bench.”

Marvin, Josh or Teague are mot the reason we are getting blown out. The fact that your favorite player, the 20 million dollar man decided to sit this one out is part of the man reason.

KevinM

February 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

31-13 rebounds…looks like we need Al tonight.

vava74

February 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

Rod,

I prefer your normal fixation.

Marvin had 2 TO in a span of 1 minute – stepped out of bounds and as usual drive baseline into nowhere when we were last up.

And Josh air balled. That was the deciding swing in the first half.

Later he got stuffed another 2 times. That’s 4 TOs before he drained the two 3 pointers.

Marvin shoul concentrate in doing the two thing on offense that he manages to do: shoot and cut for short range Js on the move.

Every single time he tries to drive or post up its a lost possession.

And as you correctly said, that’s not enough without Al on the floor.

Geemack

February 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

Another embarrassing loss on national TV in front of the home crowd.

They wonder why the local folks want come out and support this mess.

Take a look at the product on the floor.

If they want better support, put a better product on the floor.

You can’t allow every good team come in your house a blow you off the floor.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

“Jamal wouldn’t have the Hawks winning this game — they are losing mainly because they are getting outrebounded.”

No, they are losing because that’s what ATL pro teams do on the national stage.

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

Every body keep and eye on Marvin and just watch him, this guy never fight for rebounds or create easy shots for other, he just stand in the corner waiting to shot the 3.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:27 pm

Jamal would be 1 – 7 for 2 points right now, with Wade still having a field day. People all on that dude like he showed up in games like this. His clutch stats last year were HORRIBLE.

I want to see JJ coming out this half firing the basketball. Get your shots up JJ and let’s see if we can quickly cut down this lead.

LakeDawg

February 12th, 2012
8:28 pm

Hawks are getting beat because they have no heart. Never have, never will. Sure they can rise up and play well when there is no pressure. As soon as going gets tough in a game that could mean taking the next step, they lay down. JJ is the worst offender.

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
8:28 pm

The Hawks clearly need another scorer. Sign JR Smith or make a trade….

hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
8:29 pm

haha did larry drew just say “our heads between our legs” that was just really random

tyger

February 12th, 2012
8:29 pm

Hawks mentally weak…

- Hawks beat Pacers, Magic…
- They are more than satisfied…
- They’ll come up w/ some lame excuse…
- Energy, weather, whatever…

- Oh! Teague sucks…

KevinM

February 12th, 2012
8:29 pm

Who’s got a shot chart? Majority in the paint and a bunch of FTs.

KevinM

February 12th, 2012
8:29 pm

I am now officially on the 76ers band wagon

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
8:29 pm

The only thang I blame the Hawks for is they lack the maturity
to play through adversity.

I’m not even gonna watch the 2nd half.

Set Up !

Non-Competition Stern shshooie stinks to high heaven !!!!!

I cannot stand LeBron / Wade / Stern…………………………

-ain’t fair-

Heat plays defense like a bunck o’ banshees:
grabbin’, bitin’, scratchin’, knockin’, clawin’, bowin’,
whinin’, free throw shootin’, titty suckin’, pettifoggers !!!

Then like Rathbun said:
LeFraud lifts his eyebrow and gets a shooting foul.
Then;
Ivan waves in the direction of AssClown;
AssClown goes to the line.
It’s infathomable.

Gotta go puke !

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:30 pm

bullshhh foul when the guy just falls down

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
8:30 pm

AN OWNER WENT INTO THE LOCKER ROOM?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:30 pm

Hawks coming out flat in the 3rd quarter as usual.

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
8:30 pm

how did he trip him? he was standing in front of him?

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
8:30 pm

unfathomable ? whatever

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:30 pm

REf whats with the fouls????

KevinM

February 12th, 2012
8:31 pm

Didn’t we just have this conversation about FTs and lane shots?

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
8:31 pm

2 fouls in 18 seconds to start the 2nd half… My goodness these refs don’t missed anything for the Heat.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:31 pm

Train wreck? Why SPOCK????? WHY??????????

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:32 pm

Phasers on stun!

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
8:32 pm

What a clankfest. Maybe the owner should have put on a uni.

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
8:32 pm

Marvin opts not to take the open 3 only to move slightly to the left and take a leaning long 2… why not try and drive it in?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:33 pm

Good ball movement, and Marvin misses another open shot.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:33 pm

2063= will be about 100 years between ECF participants, the Hawks…

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
8:33 pm

TAKE IT TO THE BASKET MARVIN!!!!!!!!

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
8:33 pm

Is Marvin scared to drive the ball to the rim?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:33 pm

“Marvin opts not to take the open 3 only to move slightly to the left and take a leaning long 2… why not try and drive it in?”

Because he knows he’ll get his shot blocked or fall down as usual.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:34 pm

Knock your shots down Marvin

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:34 pm

The organist is playing “F-ck You”. Is that directed at the LeBron bandwagon fans in the building or the Hawks’ players?

kevkat

February 12th, 2012
8:35 pm

anyone wanna guess L.D’s comments after the game…

Nique's suit bill

February 12th, 2012
8:35 pm

This is the kind of game where the starters need to play big minutes. Momentum was lost once the subs were put in

And why not go to a zone defense?

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
8:35 pm

lol @ Zaza falling

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
8:35 pm

TIME FOR ALL 5 STARTERS TO TAKE A SEAT.

For as many games as it takes to get their attention.

The lazy Smith is the poster child for this team. Prima dona.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:35 pm

somebody…anybody…take the ball to the basket

LakeDawg

February 12th, 2012
8:36 pm

Has there ever been a bigger flop than Marvin Williams?

Melvin

February 12th, 2012
8:36 pm

The Hawks are so frustrating to watch…

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:36 pm

zone it up Larry….it’s obvious we can’t stay in font of anyone tonight

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:36 pm

One of the things that the Heat are doing, is doubling Teague as he comes around the pick.

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
8:36 pm

man this game can’t get into any kind of rhythm, the refs are calling every single contact. This is why the NBA is sucking ass right now, let them play some basketball out there!!

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:36 pm

“Jamal would be 1 – 7 for 2 points right now, with Wade still having a field day. People all on that dude like he showed up in games like this. His clutch stats last year were HORRIBLE”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxKEou4vPHk.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:37 pm

”””… ”””’
|
— |—— = Larry Drew
|
/\

Nique's suit bill

February 12th, 2012
8:37 pm

Miami isnt even that good! But will get to the finals against ok c

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:37 pm

Chalmers is murdering the Hawks

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
8:38 pm

Hawks suck on pick and roll defense

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:38 pm

hard headed Larry Drew….zone it up man…we are getting blown by every possession

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:38 pm

Lebron, Wade and Bosh are all all stars. So is Joe Johnson……

LakeDawg

February 12th, 2012
8:39 pm

NBA refs have always been the worst in sports. You can’t breath on the “stars.” Never any consistency within a game, much less from game to game.

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
8:39 pm

”””… ”””’
|
— |—— = Larry Drew
|
/\

I lol’d so hard at this

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:39 pm

1st Round? Yea right…

crazy_88

February 12th, 2012
8:39 pm

Hawks down by 23 pts and LD’s great coaching move to stop the bleeding is to bring in two 6′3 guards in Hinrich and Green ? Wade and Lebron are feasting all day…simply pathetic !!!

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
8:39 pm

Down 30.

THE OWNER DEFINITELY GOT THE MESSAGE ACROSS.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:40 pm

“NBA refs have always been the worst in sports. You can’t breath on the “stars.” Never any consistency within a game, much less from game to game.”

A smart ownership group would realize this and go out and acquire stars, instead of trying to convince the Atlanta fan base that Joe Johnson and Josh Smith are stars.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:40 pm

Going zone wouldn’t even matter in this game. Heat are out and running after every rebound.

Just a terrible all around performance tonight.

Disappointing but predictable for this team.

OH

February 12th, 2012
8:40 pm

BEST TEAM IN ATLANTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:41 pm

yep….time for the scrubs to get some PT for both teams.

Another sad day for Atlanta Sports fans

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:41 pm

“THE OWNER DEFINITELY GOT THE MESSAGE ACROSS”

What are you talking about? I’m watching Bob and Nique… did ESPN say Gearon went to the locker room or something?

Rob

February 12th, 2012
8:41 pm

Whatever round we make it through or out of, this will be the last time this “core” gets that chance.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:42 pm

Larry=discombobulated? WTF?

OH

February 12th, 2012
8:42 pm

“The Hawks are so frustrating to watch…”

The don’t watch, just like the rest of Atlanta! LOL

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:42 pm

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:43 pm

C’mon Laryy lets lose by say 50??????????????

LakeDawg

February 12th, 2012
8:43 pm

Whatever round we make it through or out of, this will be the last time this “core” gets that chance.
———————————————————————————————————————————–

LOL. That’s what I thought LAST year.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:44 pm

transmuting into complete discombobulation! Ya thinks?

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:44 pm

Wow @ that stat. Hubie just gave. Incredible.

Runner-

February 12th, 2012
8:44 pm

Willie is a decent player, he plays consistently every game, unlike anyone else on this team.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:45 pm

should have started the game in zone….Larry Clueless

doc

February 12th, 2012
8:45 pm

3 of 28 for jjj, josh, marvin and jeff per hubie as what is wrong with our team. yeah flat awful. so glad i didnt give any money to these guys.

OH

February 12th, 2012
8:46 pm

Real Hawks fans changed the channel before it even started to the Grammys to see Rhianna in that dress.

GOOD LAWD HAMMERCY!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:46 pm

Was that a pick and roll?

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:47 pm

Scottie we need more Warp power,now! Not Yesterday? Aye Captain..

I’d rather watch 2000 year old ROMAN GLADIATORS engage in disciplined physical contact!

OH

February 12th, 2012
8:47 pm

Blow it up, little Mikey!

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
8:47 pm

ESPN said ONE of the owners went into the locker room at the break.

doc

February 12th, 2012
8:48 pm

everyone chill. we just need to peak at the right time and we be cool.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:48 pm

And if I were coach, the starters would play the entire 4th quarter. Don’t bail them out by watching this debacle. Make them play through it.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:48 pm

Hopefully the owner went to the locker room to inform the team that they had just made a Dwight Howard trade.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
8:49 pm

I prefer to see Rhianna’s loooong legs wrap in those silky black fishnets! Hmmmmmmmmmmm!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:49 pm

Fun fact: Josh has a pretty decent chance at a triple double in this game.

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
8:49 pm

vava74 [Read this Rod from College Park],

You’re the idiot, vava74. All I kept hearing on this blog was “now that Jamal is gone, Marvin is going to average around 14-15ppg; Jamal was taking shots [shot opportunities] from Marvin.” Marvin is still averaging around 10ppg. Jamal was not taking shots from Marvin. Willie Green, T-Mac, Vlad-Rad, Hinrich, and Ivan are not taking shots from Marvin. Marvin is taking shots from Marvin. Marvin doesn’t get extra shot opportunities because he [Marvin] plays so poorly so often so early that LD has to immediately substitute him [Marvin] for other players before a game gets out of hand. In conclusion, Marvin takes shots away from Marvin because Marvin takes himself out of the game because of his poor and inconsistent play.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:50 pm

Look what happens when Joe decides to drive.

Alan

February 12th, 2012
8:50 pm

Atlanta still has a basketball team? Who cares about the NBA?

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
8:50 pm

Prediction:

LD:

quote;
‘`I thought we we past this`’

*[in reference to quitting]

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:51 pm

Disgusted

February 12th, 2012
8:51 pm

This game is a washout, but if you told me they would be 18-10, ahead of Orlando after losing Al Horford I would havge taken that.

Miami is a better team, the Hawks are not in the Miami and Chicago Bulls class, so that is the way it is.

To expect anything more than a high 30’s wins and any further than a second round appearance is setting yourself up for disappointment.

38-28 is what I see this team doing and maybe getting past round one.

OH

February 12th, 2012
8:51 pm

Prepare yourselves for the tonight’s excuse: ENERGY!!!!!

Ole Hawks's Fan

February 12th, 2012
8:52 pm

Season Tickets Holders…………………..what did Gearon say to you all this evening? Someone please post what he said and also did he take any QUESTIONS?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:52 pm

Vlad has been on LeBron the last three possessions. Seriously.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

Lol grandad. Yep.

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

Smith just quit on his team, kid is not an all star

OH

February 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

Miami might finish with 60+ rebounds. WTF

Nique's Revenge

February 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

lebron’s beard 88
hawks 58

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
8:53 pm

5 fouls through 3 quarters for the All-Star “snub.”

Nique's suit bill

February 12th, 2012
8:54 pm

Espn is talking about Lin for past 20 minutes- nice

LakeDawg

February 12th, 2012
8:54 pm

Actually, Larry Drew has done what he can with this team. He has gotten more out of them than I thought he could. However, its all for nothing. If I was him, I would sit my starters for about five games. They will either respond or quit, which is what they’re doing now anyway.

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
8:54 pm

Evidently Josh is over being pissed off ’bout not gettin’ picked
for the all-stern game.

Disgusted

February 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

Hey, one thing you can say about the owners is that they are motivated and do give a rats tail to put a team on the basketball side.

I would not be surprised if they make a pitch for a big name at some time, they need to improve their image in this town.

Seriously, we are better off with Levenson/Gaeron than with John Moores or Alex Merullo. Meurello cannot afford the team and Moores, well, look at his record as Padres owner and he makes Liberty Media or Time Warner look good as baseball owners.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

Disgusted

February 12th, 2012
8:51 pm

This game is a washout, but if you told me they would be 18-10, ahead of Orlando after losing Al Horford I would havge taken that.

_______________________________

And it’s that attitude right there that permeates this city and epitomizes why its pro teams have ONE championship to show for 154 seasons of competition. Losersville.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

Hawks are about to be 1-4 in their last 5 home games.

The best pro sports team in Atlanta sure doesn’t play too damn well in Atlanta.

Matt

February 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

Way to roll over and die “Dodos”. Another Atlanta prime-time choke. ASG, you’re paying HOW much to Joe Johnson???

crazy_88

February 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

LD has thrown the towel in….he has Vlad..Pargo…Green..Ivan..Hinrich…but no T-Mac ?

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
8:55 pm

High-sider ,

Glad to know that there are other knowledgeable basketball fans. Northcyde is a clown. He loves to post stats about what Marvin would do if he played 36 minutes. We all know why he won’t play those kind of minutes.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
8:56 pm

….lately….

doc

February 12th, 2012
8:56 pm

well at least someone got a hit on queen without backing off. do it again ivan! go ahead and make my day.

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
8:56 pm

The only team making a STATEMENT tonight is the one losing.

Time to break up this group….wait…we’ve been saying that for 2 years now. And we have Max Johnson until the 22nd century.

Great.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:56 pm

On that 82games link northcyde posted about clutch stats, Jamal had a higher clutch plus/minus than Joe. Just saying…

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
8:57 pm

Nique’s suit bill

February 12th, 2012
8:54 pm

Espn is talking about Lin for past 20 minutes- nice
_______________________________

The game sure as hell isn’t worth talking about.

Disgusted

February 12th, 2012
8:57 pm

“Actually, Larry Drew has done what he can with this team. He has gotten more out of them than I thought he could. However, its all for nothing. If I was him, I would sit my starters for about five games. They will either respond or quit, which is what they’re doing now anyway”

@lAKE dAWG; I agree with the first statement, as for the rest of it, Miami is just a far superior team fair and square. Yes, they have quit for one night.

LD is a good coach. .

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
8:57 pm

I wonder if the Knicks would do Melo and Landry Fields for Joe and Marvin.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
8:57 pm

And it’s that attitude right there that permeates this city and epitomizes why its pro teams have ONE championship to show for 154 seasons of competition. Losersville.

You’re right. It’s the fault of the fans. The fans draft players. The fans coach players. The fans do it all. Stop stealing my oxygen…

Rob

February 12th, 2012
8:57 pm

Atlanta had their chance to DRAFT superstars….. we all know how that went.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
8:59 pm

Refs calling a lot of fouls on the Hawks though @LoservilleUSA

but still this game was lost at the free throw line mostly and all those fouls caused a lack of aggressiveness defensively. Nobody wanted that 2 foul treatment. layups and dunks ensued and the shot jacking and turnovers by the Hawks caused the embarassing rout.

However, I’m no longer embarassed….I’m just indifferent

Disgusted

February 12th, 2012
8:59 pm

“I wonder if the Knicks would do Melo and Landry Fields for Joe and Marvin.”

I would give Josh and Marvin for Melo alone. No one is taking Joe because of the $$$$$$$.

Tin Man and Scarecrow

February 12th, 2012
9:00 pm

31 to 19 free throws heat

Nique's suit maker

February 12th, 2012
9:00 pm

Espn should cut to Lin’s highlght reel

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:00 pm

Now the organist is playing “Livin’ On A Prayer”, which is what the DASG is doing by trying to win a championship with this core.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:00 pm

Quitters never quit! Huh?

doc

February 12th, 2012
9:01 pm

disgusted, that is real. i was shooting for 33 – 36 wins and still might be off by much. staying 10 games above .500 would be a huge year, still the march through february is going to be telling. in march there are going to be back to backs and even one back to back to back i think. plus a lot of away games until the last six where we get to play at home in 5 of those i think. for this group a death march.

Rob

February 12th, 2012
9:01 pm

Are we on ESPN again anytime soon fellas?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:01 pm

Why do the Heat still have Bosh on the floor?

vava74

February 12th, 2012
9:02 pm

High-sider
February 12th, 2012
8:49 pm
Read again fellow.

I never said that Jamal was taking shots from Marvin AND I reminded Rod that his usual analysis is correct: we can’t be with Marvin, Zaza on the floor. It’s 3 on 5 on offense and JJ gets smothered.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:02 pm

1st round, yea right…

They have transmuted into midgets! All of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Disgusted

February 12th, 2012
9:02 pm

“And it’s that attitude right there that permeates this city and epitomizes why its pro teams have ONE championship to show for 154 seasons of competition. Losersville.”

No dawg nolie, its being realistic that Miami is a far superior team.

You telling me this is a bad Hawks team? Okay, maybe not a championship team but they are performing beyond expectations given losing one big key piece and that is just the breaks, life goes on.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:02 pm

terrible home team

Aye

February 12th, 2012
9:02 pm

Atlanta has one championship because the fans are still divided among racial lines and holding on to near-insignificant playoff series wins like it’s a championships. The rest of the world is laughing.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:03 pm

Ivan Johnson always has that expression on his face that Paul Mooney had in the Ask A Black Dude sketch.

Rob

February 12th, 2012
9:04 pm

It sucks to lose like THIS

Rusty

February 12th, 2012
9:04 pm

You know that any situation LD is around to long is sure to be fk up

Aye

February 12th, 2012
9:04 pm

Now I see folks arguing over MARVIN WILLIAMS or JAMAL CRAWFORD. Like either of those clowns would make a difference in winning a championship LMAO

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:04 pm

2-4 this Month? So far

= .250 winning %! Elite? In a parallel Universe… Yep….

Smh

February 12th, 2012
9:05 pm

Disgusted

February 12th, 2012
9:05 pm

Outisde of the 90’sand early ’00’s Braves, Atlanta has had teams that just were not good enough to win championships.

Fair and Square.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
9:06 pm

Im the clown, but Rod wants to depend on a guy shooting 39% ft and 32% from three. Blazer fans are already getting tired of his hot and cold ( mostly cold ) azz. Jamal looked like an all-star vs the Hornets one night and turned right around and missed 17 shots vs the Mavs.

Blazers could use a scorer too. Too bad the one they have is inconsistent as hell and will shoot you right out of a game.

But the great Rod loves a player like that. Shoot you right out of the game plus not play a lick of defense.

Smh

February 12th, 2012
9:06 pm

Wait so it’s the 4th quarter and the hawks have 67 points??

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
9:06 pm

I’ve heard (and made) every argument for Marvin Williams I want to hear.

He doesn’t score more because of this. He doesn’t score more because of that.

Look, his top excuses are all gone:

1) Jamal ain’t here no more.

2) One of our starters and an offensive option that was ahead of him hasn’t been here for several games (Horford).

3) His back is fully healed.

Dude still can’t do any better. And when I watched those weak-a$$ shots at the basket and those horrible angles he takes to the basket on drives, I understand why.

Marvin belongs on our bench or in somebody else’s uniform. Period. Problem is, we’re paying him too much to be on the bench.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:06 pm

“It sucks to lose like THIS”

Exactly.

8 of the Hawks’ 10 losses are by 9+ points.

When they lose, they get their asses kicked.

Atl teams = CHOKE

February 12th, 2012
9:06 pm

Hey look an ATL team is making a fool of themselves on National TV. What else is new?

Little Billy

February 12th, 2012
9:07 pm

@The Hawks performances against good teams

I’m 12 years old and what is this?

Sautee

February 12th, 2012
9:07 pm

“However, I’m no longer embarassed….I’m just indifferent”

Join the club there yodaddybro. Why I remember, oh, 7 or 8 games ago, when you were giving me crap for being pessimistic. How times have changed.

Rob

February 12th, 2012
9:07 pm

All the hawks bricks tonight could build another Phillips

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:08 pm

Aye

February 12th, 2012
9:04 pm

“Now I see folks arguing over MARVIN WILLIAMS or JAMAL CRAWFORD. Like either of those clowns would make a difference in winning a championship LMAO”

These two bumps couldn’t win a shoe contract. They might as well make it rain at the fabulous shoe model establishment known as “The Magic City”!

Heat Fan

February 12th, 2012
9:08 pm

Bosh is in the game because he is close to a 20-20 game

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
9:08 pm

Marvin vs. Jamal is a non-argument. Two different positions, two different players, two different everything.

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
9:09 pm

Rod from College Park,

Northcyde lives in a “fantasy [basketball] world.” People of sound mind live in the “real world.” For northcyde, it’s “fantasy” vs. “reality” and he [northcyde] chooses “fantasy.” I wonder how many “imaginary friends” he [northcyde] had when he was a child.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
9:09 pm

39% fg

And Aye, I agree. Neither guy would be instrumental in the hawks getting to the next level. Especially the guy on the west coast that every playoff team in the East passed on, despite them needing a scoring guard.

Good shot Stackhouse.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
9:10 pm

Dampier looks more mobile than Collins. Wait….that’s not saying a lot, is it?

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:10 pm

The Hawks have very small balls.. Why I’d like to kick em! That might transmute into a winning streak of sorts….

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 12th, 2012
9:10 pm

…just gettin’ home to Macon from Columbus, turning on the TV and seeing this score causes a similar reaction to stepping in Dog crap in the yard

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:11 pm

” Especially the guy on the west coast that every playoff team in the East passed on, despite them needing a scoring guard.”

More because of the new CBA’s more restrictive salary rules and Jamal’s unrealistic expectations for a new contract than his ability.

doc

February 12th, 2012
9:11 pm

i though this season was going to be a travesty for fans and it has. i can only hope the post season will see the nba going back to having more competitive games. even espn is saying it is time to just get it over and come back the next game, especially this year. too many of these types of games. thank you jeremy lin.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
9:12 pm

Disgusted: “You telling me this is a bad Hawks team? Okay, maybe not a championship team but they are performing beyond expectations given losing one big key piece and that is just the breaks, life goes on.”

I didn’t say it was a bad team, I said there’s that attitude again. Same ol’ excuses for 40-plus years. They’re not close to winning a championship, so who the hell cares if they’re “performing beyond expectations.” After a half-century of it, that’s for losers; i.e., Losersville.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
9:12 pm

Might not agree with everything Northcyde says or thinks, but he sure as hell makes a LOT more sense on issues on this blog than some of the a$$ clowns who are bashing him.

Atl teams = CHOKE

February 12th, 2012
9:12 pm

When was the last time an ATL team thrived on national TV?

I can’t remember? Here are the epic fails that I remember.
Falcons vs Packers last year playoffs
Falcons vs Saints on MNF
Falcons vs Giants playoffs
Hawks vs Magic 2010 playoffs
Hawks vs Bulls 2011 playoffs last year
Hawks vs Heat this year.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

Can Earl Lloyd play center?

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

Refunds? Demand Refunds on nights like this Grasshopper….

Disgusted

February 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

Big Ray—–Your synopsis on Marvin Williams is spot on, he is an average NBA player.

He was supposed to have some big upside but Billy Knight was plain wrong.

Marvin is what he is.

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

Joe Johnson 12 pts 0 rb 5 ast
Josh Smith 8 pts 7 rb 7 ast

figures…

Smh

February 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

Stack house retire !!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:13 pm

As usual, the bench is looking somewhat lively in garbage time.

tyger

February 12th, 2012
9:14 pm

Mike Tirico apologizes to the TV audience…
“Hopefully, Memphis will be a better game…”

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:14 pm

@Sautee

I care…but my blood pressure will not spike because of these guys. Either they have it or they don’t and you can tell in the first 5 minutes what the case is.

Harpie

February 12th, 2012
9:15 pm

What do you folks think of the Hawks execution tonight? I’m all for it…

Smh

February 12th, 2012
9:15 pm

I blame joe Johnson’s contract for this were stuck for years looking like this but joe doesnt care he’s laughing to the bank

Rob

February 12th, 2012
9:16 pm

Dampier>>>>> TWIN

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 12th, 2012
9:16 pm

so, how did this one get out of hand?

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
9:16 pm

This TV analysis is getting so old talking about the Hawks.

Time to clean house. Hawks need a lottery pick in the worst way.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

coaching is easy when you got LBJ, Wade & Bosh

Big Daddy

February 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

At one point, our starting 4 was 3 for 28. Nobody is willing to charge into the lane and see if they can get a shot off and/or get fouled. Everyone wants to stand outside and shoot jumpshots. If you are 3 of 28 and you are watching the other team get triple your free throws because they are attacking the rim, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out what you need to do.

I don’t expect them to win every game or even every home game. What I do expect is for them to be competitive each and every game. With the talent they have there is no way they should be getting blown out like this especially at home. They are definitely making a case to blow up the team.

tyger

February 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

Is Josh right…

Tonight is why he didnt make the Allstar team…
But, how/why does Joe Johnson make it every year?…

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
9:18 pm

Oh wait, I get it.

If the fans weren’t such losers, and if they supported the teams in ATL more, then there would be more championships.

Ummm, no. The Smiths would still have sucked as owners of the Falcons, Ted Turner still would have sold the Hawks and Thrashers to the loser ASG, and Billy Knight still would have picked Marvin Williams over CP3/Deron Williams and Sheldon Williams over Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay.

Sorry, but you can tell ATL fans they are losers all you want. History wouldn’t have changed a bit.

Aye

February 12th, 2012
9:18 pm

Rhianna > the NBA

Jcard120

February 12th, 2012
9:18 pm

These referees might as well get on their knees, put on a heat headband, and blow them off. Anytime James, Wade, or Bosh were in the paint they drew a foul. The hawks did not play well tonight but at least call the game fair.

Atl teams = CHOKE

February 12th, 2012
9:18 pm

Joe Johnson is getting paid about $270,000 for this game! He doesn’t care about winning.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:18 pm

“Josh Smith 8 pts 7 rb 7 ast”

These are All NBA averages minus the assists and he’s a 2X AllStar!

Just not right in this World!

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
9:19 pm

That was exciting watching the 2nd team running the weave down 24.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
9:19 pm

tyger
February 12th, 2012
9:14 pm

Mike Tirico apologizes to the TV audience…
“Hopefully, Memphis will be a better game…”
_________________

He SHOULD apologize. His network knows damn well the Hawks (Falcons, Braves, etc.) never show up on the national stage. All espn cares about is the ratings driven by Miami’s big three. Of course, when the game is out of hand by the end of the first quarter, viewership drops like a rock–no matter who the opponents bring to the house.

doc

February 12th, 2012
9:20 pm

big ray, it says a lot to me. i still dont undersatnd why we have had o be exposed to the guy who has had the worst per in the league before he got here as cheeseburger twin. man the front office is flat out awful. unfortunately for dampier it means his career is about over based on the run the hawks have with guys of his ilk. collins would not be playing in the usa if it were not for the hawks. that says more.

cedrick

February 12th, 2012
9:20 pm

This just in!! Don’t wait until your getting blown OUT to put “NO SHOW” Joe and Marvin WIlliams on the bench!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t know who looks worse. The Hawks getting blown by Miami or the Falcons getting trucked??????

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 12th, 2012
9:21 pm

I blame this loss on Soulja Boy

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
9:21 pm

Lottery pick? No. Gotta change the culture first.

Gearon and his crew give us nothing to believe in. Sund doesn’t either. Drew might be the best of the bunch, and we have no real love for him.

No lottery pick deserves to be a part of this mess.

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
9:21 pm

What a comeback!

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
9:21 pm

Big Ray im still SMH after 7years why is Marvin starting, no coach in there right mind would starte Marvin after watching him for seven years, but Woody and now LD who will be gone after this season are watching or playing mind games with them self letting this BS continue.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:21 pm

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:17 pm

“coaching is easy when you got LBJ, Wade & Bosh”

Coaching almost impossible when you got I-Duck<OSH<ISO

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:22 pm

Hawks cut the deficit to 20 to make this game look a little less embarrassing.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:22 pm

@Big Daddy

for the past 2 years this team has been absolutely dreadful at home and pretty good on the road….not sure why.

But I think it is the main players. Somebody has to go and it has to be a main player i.e. a starter. We also need a better coach. We scraped the bargain bin for a coach and thiis the type of effort non respected coaches get from their players.

doc

February 12th, 2012
9:22 pm

dampier is so much better than twin it is sad and why he wasnt here from the get go this year an why twin was signed is beyond belief ….. but with the basg it isnt.

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
9:22 pm

“2-4 this Month? So far

= .250 winning %! Elite? In a parallel Universe… Yep….” – Slimjr

Slimjr,

Two wins out of six games played (2-4) is a winning percentage (%) of 0.333 or 33.3%. Two wins out of eight games played (2-6) is a winning percentage (%) of 0.250 or 25%.

ajc budget woes

February 12th, 2012
9:23 pm

Not even an in game tweet from cviv or mc? What? Ajc not covering home games now?

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
9:23 pm

Doc ,

Right you are. Speaks to the ownership and management of this team.

Which has nothing to do with the G-d@mn fans….

Enough for one night.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:23 pm

Wow, that chick must be tall as hell to come up to LeBron’s chin.

doc

February 12th, 2012
9:23 pm

20 point losses NEVER look good in anyway especially at home.

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 12th, 2012
9:23 pm

We need some guys that THRIVE on the big stage, instead of folding up.

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
9:24 pm

“Im the clown, but Rod wants to depend on a guy shooting 39% ft and 32% from three. Blazer fans are already getting tired of his hot and cold ( mostly cold ) azz. Jamal looked like an all-star vs the Hornets one night and turned right around and missed 17 shots vs the Mavs.”

The fact still remains that this team needs another scorer that plays 20 to 25 minutes. When we face teams that play above average defense we can’t score. Bottom line. Whether you like Jamal or not he can score. The 20 million dollar man has proved that he can’t do it by himself. JOsh, Marvin, Zaza or Jeff Teague are not scorers.

Big Ray

February 12th, 2012
9:24 pm

BIG DOG,

Wish I had an answer.

Hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
9:25 pm

Beach Boys doing Good Vibrations. Awesome

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:25 pm

The ESPN studio people are roasting the Hawks right now.

doc

February 12th, 2012
9:25 pm

it is flat embarrasing. QUITTERS!!!!!

heartofdarkness

February 12th, 2012
9:25 pm

So refreshing to hear Hubie Brown talk about the Hawks effort tonight, instead of two hours of “Outstanding!”, questioning referee calls, and “Heat check!”.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:26 pm

Haven’t ya heard of fuzzy math? C’mon man. But thanks.Your Calculations conclude that the Hawks right about suck now? Thanks Spock! I’m captain Kirk tonight…..

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:26 pm

Quitters never Quit!!!!!!!!!!! Huh!!!

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:27 pm

thank you Magic Johnson for pointing out the inefficiencies of Larry Drew

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:27 pm

I knew beer and math, the two dont mix? Shoot…..

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:28 pm

The sad thing is the next game — @ LAL on Tuesday — isn’t going to be this close. That team is probably the worst matchup nightmare for this team in the entire league.

doc

February 12th, 2012
9:28 pm

first TNT trashes the hawks deservedly especially charles, now espn, all to a man including magic. josh, is that all ya got, that the best you can do i know jj doesnt have it so ya got to bring it.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:28 pm

“they are who we thought they were” Chris Broussard

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
9:28 pm

LD should’ve purposely gotten two techs and made the refs eject him [LD] from the this travesty.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
9:28 pm

Atl teams = CHOKE

February 12th, 2012
9:12 pm

When was the last time an ATL team thrived on national TV?

I can’t remember? Here are the epic fails that I remember.
Falcons vs Packers last year playoffs
Falcons vs Saints on MNF
Falcons vs Giants playoffs
Hawks vs Magic 2010 playoffs
Hawks vs Bulls 2011 playoffs last year
Hawks vs Heat this year.
_____________________

Believe me, those “epic fails” you cite go back a whole lot further than this–over 45 years to be more precise.

And the espn guys back at the studio really roasted the Hawks during their postgame analysis. They’re incredulous that this type of performance could happen over and over again. They shouldn’t be; hell just look at the record: ONE championship in 154 seasons of pro competition.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:29 pm

“that was embarassing for the city of Atlanta….a packed house….gotta have a better effort” Magic Johnson

Sautee

February 12th, 2012
9:29 pm

Hawks shot 7 FTs. Heat shot 31. Even accounting for referee bias and superstar calls, it’s very obvious which team was the aggressor. Hawks were VERY passive.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:29 pm

“every time we try to give Atlanta some props…this is what happens…an absolute clunker” Michael Wilbon

hawkfan

February 12th, 2012
9:30 pm

Wilbon said it best “everytime we try to hype up and give the hawks the credit they come out and do a flop on us”

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:30 pm

Da Beach Boys played better than the wingless birds tonight!

Why not lay down?

February 12th, 2012
9:30 pm

Yeah we laid down tonight. The fix was in tim donaghy style. 20 free throws to 3 in first quarter. Garbage time fts brought it close. So why not lay down when fix in for not 1, not 2, not 3 and crew to win on national tv?

I say lay down flat and ontoa game whenwe have a chance

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:30 pm

“a perfect time to come out…on national tv….and it was a complete flop….embarassing” Jon Barry

Rusty

February 12th, 2012
9:31 pm

Every good game jj has he usually shoots 6 for 18 or something like that. He is lousy. I guess ld is happy he has JT on the bench & KH playing. This man the longer he is here this team keeps playing worst. I haven’t seen any player improve under him. The man don’t have a clue on how to coach a team.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:31 pm

” josh, is that all ya got, that the best you can do i know jj doesnt have it so ya got to bring it.”

Joe has the talent of a #2 option, and Josh has the talent of a #3 option.

The Hawks had the chance to get their #1 option in 2005. Instead, CP3 is a Clipper.

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
9:32 pm

doc if you believe 37 years old Dampier is better than Collins, then you must not no basketball, Collins big body in the paint make it very difficult for teams to score in the paint, every since Collins went down the Hawks defense have been non void getting dominated in the paint except the win against Magic.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:32 pm

I feel like kickin Larry in his keester tonight! What a lame coach!

reedcat

February 12th, 2012
9:33 pm

Now you know why Josh is not an all star. Coaches got it right. Keep the hawks off of national television. They stink!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:35 pm

“Now you know why Josh is not an all star.”

Luol Deng was 3/12 for 10 points in a loss today, and his team lost. He didn’t play any better than Josh.

All Star selections are relative. Josh is far from perfect, but he’s better than Luol f-cking Deng.

Loserville USA

February 12th, 2012
9:35 pm

Maybe “the owner” will make someone responsible for tonight — Drew — and CLEAN HOUSE.

This is one team where if you cut payroll, went young and sucked for lottery picks no one would complain.

What a bad mix of players. Entitled and lazy.

yodaddybrother

February 12th, 2012
9:36 pm

Sund should be on the phone….however he was spotted sippin pina coladas at Magic City

tidog

February 12th, 2012
9:37 pm

You have to start before you quit. The preamble from Drew will be NO ENERGY, Magic thought Drew’s game plan was lacking a plan. The team lacks smarts and heart, oh well move on to the next game right.

NUNNA!!

February 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

Don’t look for the hawks to do nothing this year but beat up on the below 500 teams..
Its time to blow up this team and make some trades for draft picks,younger studes in the D-League,and get a new starting 5..

Trade Joe 2 the lakers for Number 1 this year and and a Number 2 for next..

Then trade Marvin with smoove in a package to Oklahoma City for this and next years number 2..
Release all on the roster except Horford,Teague,Prago,Green,Ivan,and a big bodied Dampier..
Then fire LD and hire me as head coach..

I would make yall PROUD!!

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 12th, 2012
9:38 pm

Have they already gave the post game “…have to come out with more energy”
“have to play with a sense of urgency”

generic comments?

vava74

February 12th, 2012
9:39 pm

:-D They are just playing possum :-D

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

fuzzy math predicts you lose Sund!

Sautee

February 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

“This man the longer he is here this team keeps playing worst.”

2010-2011: 44-38, .537%
2011-2012: 18-10, .643%

Huh?

LakeDawg

February 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

To all those still hanging on to hope: The Hawks have NO respect within the league. I’m not talking about the fans or the media. I’m talking about the players. Its evident in how Barkley and Miller talked about them and how Nelson dimissed them before the playoffs. It came back to bite him, but he figured the Hawks would just lay down like they usually do. That is the overriding image the Hawks have—quitters. Has anyone ever seen a team this talented and with good records have so little respect? The thing is they know this and still do nothing about it. No pride, no heart. Doesn’t matter how good the Heat are, the Hawks have no heart.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:40 pm

I wanna thank the Grammy’s for the award tonight!

Rusty

February 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

I would love it if they fired ld & brought anyone else in here. I would like to see how the team would respond. I really don’t see how anyone else could do worst.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
9:43 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
9:35 pm

Luol Deng was 3/12 for 10 points in a loss today, and his team lost. He didn’t play any better than Josh.

All Star selections are relative. Josh is far from perfect, but he’s better than Luol f-cking Deng.
_______________________

So what if he’s better than Deng? What the hell does that matter? It’s the TEAM that matters. Is Josh’s TEAM better than Deng’s. Nope. That’s the problem in ATL–you quibble about things that don’t matter. What’s the BIG picture? ONE championship in 154 seasons. That says it all.

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
9:45 pm

I thought once Jamal left Marvin would blossom. LOL

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 12th, 2012
9:45 pm

We might as well blow it up. When we play top tier teams we get stomped and no one takes us seriously anyway. Thats the same thing the Bobcats, Cavs or Kings can say for themselves. It feels worse when you’re supposed to be a good team. A playoff team. You never know, maybe we can mix and match some trades and signings and come out with a better team.

O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

So LD comes out and says the magic word again. Energy.

And he said he doesn’t know why the Hawks didnt respond well to the Heat’s early run, despite there being alot of basketball left.

Hmm…Where have I heard that before?

Mister.Earl

February 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

Jeremy Lin is so much fun.

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

LakeDawg: “No pride, no heart. Doesn’t matter how good the Heat are, the Hawks have no heart.”
_________________________

Well put, LakeDawg.

doc

February 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

big dog, with all due respect, i will keep this above board and just show you some results. collins before he was hurt appeared in 13 games. he had a ton of coach dnp’s because his game is sooo limited. in those games the hawks were 8-5, where he avg 1.6 rebounds, 1 pt and 10 mpg. he is truly NOT the difference maker you seem to make him out to be. no one could be with those numbers in 10 mpg. now, for you to gaze on and anyone else that would support such a preposterous and ludicrous position as yours:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3530/gamelog;_ylt=ApGQI3SZOuuFY5uJsTmmspiaPKB4

btw though i dont necessarily bow down to certain stats his PER is the worst in the league going back to when he played in minny.

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

“So what if he’s better than Deng? What the hell does that matter? It’s the TEAM that matters. Is Josh’s TEAM better than Deng’s. Nope. That’s the problem in ATL–you quibble about things that don’t matter. What’s the BIG picture? ONE championship in 154 seasons. That says it all.”

Your response has nothing to do with why a player makes the all star team. You do know that Derron Williams was selected right?

O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

Rod,

I’m not sure Marvin would blossom in the D-League.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

Rod, anybody can be labeled as a “scorer” if he gets 25% usage and jacks up a shot every 2 minutes. The Hawks don’t need a 39% volume jumpshooter. The Hawks need a 50% shooter who gets most of his points around the rim and could draw a few fouls in the process. That’s why people want Smith to play around the rim.

The Heat cut off Teague from getting easy baskets at the rim. Once that happened, we either had to make shots or get to the line. We did neither.

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

The fact that Marvin still starts reminds me of being in rec league and the coaches son is on the team and always gets PT yet he’s obviously more garbage than everyone else out there.

Is Marvin’s dad a member of ASG???

Rusty

February 12th, 2012
9:47 pm

Tell me Larry exactly what does Kirk H bring to our game.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

Tiger tanked also, today…So cheer up Hawks fans!…The Hawks are not alone in the tanking business…..

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
9:48 pm

Gordon Heyward is better than Marvin Williams already.

O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
9:50 pm

Games like this is why the Hawks get no respect from the national media. On national TV, lose to the Heat when Wade and LeBron didn’t play (and get clowned by Charles).

On national TV, get down by 30 to the Heat.

This is only season 2 out of his 6 year contract, but JJ has not lived up to the billing, and he is likely to get worse as he gets older. Good job Rick/ASG.

doc

February 12th, 2012
9:51 pm

rofl at o’b …. truth.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:51 pm

Jeremy>Teague

Rusty

February 12th, 2012
9:54 pm

To me it seems that LD is the first one to throw in the towel. If the starters are playing bad he need to leave them in to humiliate them.there has been many a time in the NBA where teams came from way back to make a run out of the game. LD is the first one to throw in the towel. The fans pay big money to see the game.I’m sure they rather see the starters play not the second team foe a whole half.

doc

February 12th, 2012
9:54 pm

while we were astutely finding ivan who it was known would be a finishing piece by the smart guys at basg & co. why didnt they see jeremy lin since we were doing such a good job at scouting? or was ivan one luck, too?

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
9:55 pm

“Rod, anybody can be labeled as a “scorer” if he gets 25% usage and jacks up a shot every 2 minutes. The Hawks don’t need a 39% volume jumpshooter. The Hawks need a 50% shooter who gets most of his points around the rim and could draw a few fouls in the process. That’s why people want Smith to play around the rim.”

I disagree. Josh is not and will never be a scorer. He should not have to be. The Hawks need another guy who can get his own shot, and create off the dribble if they continue to run this awful offense. They need a scorer. Joe Johnson can’t do it, and TMac just can’t do it anymore. Usage rate, and all that other crap you are talking about is nonsense. We need somebody who can put the ball in the basket period, and who will not fold like a lawn chair in big games.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
9:55 pm

Quitters dont Quit! C’mon Larry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

E43

February 12th, 2012
9:57 pm

It’s very likely that Joe and Josh would have both played 40+ minutes if the hawks wont the last 6 games including the heat. I feel like a big reason that they are struggling is because Joe and Josh are playing very long stretches or cumulative minutes in games and it also messes up the benches chemistry. Id rather regulate Josh and Joe’s minutes to 38 max regardless of whether the game is close or not because they will burn out later in the season. I know every win is diamonds but I also dont think it’s worth forcing guys to do stuff they’re not and end up getting blown out in the playoffs because guys ran out of gas.

Dept. Of Redundancy Dept.

February 12th, 2012
9:57 pm

“To me it seems that LD is the first one to throw in the towel. If the starters are playing bad he need to leave them in to humiliate them.there has been many a time in the NBA where teams came from way back to make a run out of the game. LD is the first one to throw in the towel”

Enough said.

Clarification

February 12th, 2012
10:00 pm

“Usage rate, and all that other crap you are talking about is nonsense”

Translation: “I don’t understand that stat so I won’t let it get in the way of my argument”.

Walt Frazier

February 12th, 2012
10:02 pm

You all now see, this was what I was talking about; the local paying fans are the big losers, as well as ESPN, TNT, ABC, or any other national spotlight that even thinks the Hawks are on the same level as other than any 8th seed in the NBA east. Don’t give me that ole excuse about Al Horford being hurt. The Hawks still would’ve been blown out in this one. They gave up early in the first quarter. None of the Hawks players seemed like they wanted to play tonight, including Teague, who should be an aggressive “Rose” like player, making a name for himself in the NBA-regardless of the team he plays for. The Knicks right now are a better team than the Hawks. Because the weather is very cold, maybe the paying season ticket holder would rather give his/her game ticket to a neighbor, friend, or church member, but decided to go to the game-because it’s Miami, and of course, LaBron James and Company are “the ticket” that was marked on their calendar. They may have wanted the Hawks to win, but instead was entertained by the “road” team. The Hawks are a disgrace to all Atlanta sports fan home team television viewing mankind. This team needs to chopped of immediately, no matter what-playoff or not. When David stern was in the Phillips-the Hawks seemed to play better; I wonder why. Their spotty basketball play seems to take on a life of its own; it seems to say-winfm (what’s in it for me?). There’s no motivation to play hard, defensively or offensively. Joe Johnson ought to be in the Fulton County Jail for stealing money. If someone gave me season tickets for the remainder of the season-I would probably go twice-maybe, if it’s on a nice balmy warm day. This Hawks team is an enigma; it’s decent team with a very weak fan base-for good reason. Just let the Knicks come to town-and it’ll be Jeremy Lin night-all over the place. Same rings true for Blake and CP3. This team needs a new owner and new management from top to bottom. David Stern’s comments about his confidence in ASG are just what the owners want him to say; he could care less. As cold as it is outside, I personally would not want to sacrifice my body-to travel-to put my car through winter stress-trying to get downtown, pay for parking, then walk in this frigid cold-to enter Phillips arena, only to see Atlanta’s “home” team giving up a game so early and so easily and that’s why this Atlanta fan base is going to be a forever shrinking entity until, finally- this team is dissolved and run out of town.

MattP

February 12th, 2012
10:04 pm

Where was LD when you needed him to get a Technical for yelling at the refs? That right there tells me LD quit in the first half.

Ajc budget woes

February 12th, 2012
10:10 pm

Adele is no diva, no clarity in the voice, she shouts. Whitney is the greatest voice of all time. Please dont call none of this others divas, retire that

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
10:11 pm

I know the GRAMMY Awards presentation is currently showing but Marvin Williams should win an Oscar award for his role in acting as an NBA Small Forward for the Altanta Hawks for the past seven years.

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
10:12 pm

Lol. Well Jamal isn’t your guy then Rod, because he needs 12 – 15 shots for him to affect the game. And Smith could be the scorer if he played around the rim. We needed someone else besides Zaza on the inside to gobble up offensive rebounds.

Jamal routinely goes 2 – 9 from the field. The difference is that he may get 5 – 7 more shots to redeem himself. So that 2 – 9 can turn into 6 -15 for 14 to 17 points. And those extra shot attempts has everything to do with usage.

The fact is that a guy like Marvin isn’t given a chance to shoot himself out of a bad night. Jamal has that light.

Might as well give Marvin or Willie that light.

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
10:13 pm

doc again your missing the point, Collins can not be judge on statistics but on making a difference on defense, if you watch him play he never allow his man to dominate the post, he box out better than anybody on the team, he set screens better than any body on the team, he take charges more than any body on the team, just the little things he does make the Hawks better on defense, when Collins was became hurt notice how soft this team have become in side the paint.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Ajc budget woes

February 12th, 2012
10:16 pm

Looks like we not gettin a game story just like against the bobcats #ajcbudget

O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
10:18 pm

Hawks are 13-1 against teams under .500, and 5-9 against teams over .500.

Against teams under .500 is also when JJ gets most of his points. Its one thing to look good against Milwaukee, Detroit, etc. But we need him against these top teams. But he doesnt show up consistently enough.

It’s like he is afraid to take 20 shots because he knows he still won’t score 20+ against these top teams. He should be leading by example, but in these big games, his example has been nonchalant, and thats unacceptable for a 6 time all-star, and a guy who signed for 6 years, $124 mil.

Nique's suit bill

February 12th, 2012
10:20 pm

This game got out of control when hinrich was brought in. In fact we have a losing record with hinrich active

Rusty

February 12th, 2012
10:20 pm

Larry said this is a game to learn from ,he will never learn he is dumb as a stick.

O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
10:21 pm

Big Dog,

Collins is effective when used in the correct situation. But he is not a guy who should play 10-15 minutes every game. The opponent should determine his PT.

He does not do much on offense, he does not rebound, he does not block shots. He does box his man out, and take charges really well. But more often than not, that is not enough.

Derrick

February 12th, 2012
10:21 pm

I know it isn’t just me–certainly not!–but why is Joe Johnson so emotionless and stoic? He has the face of an ancient statue, or any statue for that matter. I don’t think that I have EVER seen him smile. Okay, so maybe I have seen him smile once or twice since he’s been in Atlanta, and I can count on two or three fingers the times that he has shown some type of EMOTION (I think back when he hit a big shot against Boston at home, when he pumped his fist, and that is all). It seems like the bench shows more emotion and ‘drive’ at times than the starters…

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

Taylor Swift should thank Kanye West for helping her [Swift's] career take off. I didn’t know anything about her [Swift] until she had “that incident” with [Kanye] West.

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

“The fact is that a guy like Marvin isn’t given a chance to shoot himself out of a bad night. Jamal has that light.

Might as well give Marvin or Willie that light.”

Why is it so hard for you to understand that Marvin is scared to take those shots. He can’t do it. Does not have that mentality. Last year it was Jamal taking his shots, before Jamal it was Flip, before that it was Josh and Joe won’t pass him the ball. Willie Green was on the street for a reason. He is no Jamal Crawford, and his paychecks remind that. I like him, but if we are depending on Willie Green, then we have no chance.

What part of Marvin Williams plays scared and won’t take the shots if given the opport

northcyde

February 12th, 2012
10:23 pm

And Rusty. I co-sign your post about leaving those guys in. Keep them in and see if they completely quit, or keep fighting. Now granted, if a key player got hurt in a 25 point blowout, we’d never hear the end of it.

Sautee

February 12th, 2012
10:25 pm

O’B,

Co-sign. If he doesn’t LEAD us for that amount of money, than he should be amnestied.

Some nights he does, but as you said it seems to be against lesser teams.

Rusty

February 12th, 2012
10:25 pm

I hate to see LD & JJ as the leaders of this team. What a joke. Larry please tell me what KH brings to this team. Do you insist on playing him & taking away JT ‘ minutes to vindicate the trade,but giving KT big minutes is just making you look more stupid,stupid.

Angel Mccoughtry

February 12th, 2012
10:25 pm

bad effort from the guys but hopefully they will bounce back on Tuesday or just wait until WNBA season begin for everyone can watch us women get this city a championship go dream

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
10:26 pm

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
9:46 pm

Your response has nothing to do with why a player makes the all star team. You do know that Derron Williams was selected right?
______________________

And your response has nothing to do with anything that matters. You do know that the Hawks have never made it past Round 2 of the playoffs, right? You do know that ATL has ONE championship to show for 154 seasons of pro competition, right? Those are the things that matter–not whether Deron Williams made the all-star team, or the Hawks are better than the Falcons, or Smith is better than Deng, blah blah blah.

O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
10:26 pm

From Mark bradley’s blog;

Wade, who’s Miami’s second-best player, destroyed Joe Johnson, the Hawks’ $120 million man, in the first half, outscoring him 21-8. Chris Bosh, third-best among the Heat, put up a first-half double-double (10 points, 10 rebounds) against Josh Smith, who fancies himself an All-Star.

Midway through the second quarter, the Hawks had ducked their heads and were looking for the exits. Drew conceded the point: “They were obviously the aggressor. We did not respond.”

An obviously disgusted Smith played 11 minutes in the third quarter and managed more fouls (three) than points (two). Jeff Teague was pulled 3 1/2 minutes into the second half, Drew having seen more than enough. Marvin Williams put the finishing touches on one of those horrid Marvin games — six points, three rebounds — we’ve come to know and hate.

For what they are, they’ve done well this season. But what they are is a cut above middling.

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
10:27 pm

O’Brien are you saying that Collins does nothing for the Hawks when playing ? if so what game have you watch, Collins have no offensive skills we all no that but the guy make a difference on defense when playing.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

doc

February 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

no big dog, you are waaay over estimating his impact, simply in 13 games with 5 losses and ten minutes per game at that in those games his coach actually played him, that is underwhelming at best. then throw in his supposed howard kryptonite effect not needed in the last game?

there are others that can do what limited skills you suggest he has and add a few more. he should never put on a uniform again if it werent for a stupid guaranteed contract they signed him to which was as stupid as the money they offered marvin. again if he played even 25 minutes a game then fine i could agree, when he played only 2/3 the games and so many were losses then it doesnt add up to the effect you seem to think he has on the games. it is probable he wouldnt have been deemed as needed in several of the recent losses that were suffered recently nor could i think 10 minutes of his inactivity wold have been a difference maker since we were down over 20 points in most of them. sorry it doesnt compute especially that in one of the wins it was a gane he should have made a difference. but go ahead and delude yourself.

KevinM

February 12th, 2012
10:28 pm

i said earlier that the Hawks/Orl game felt like a playoff game. Well, this one did too, and a reminder of how far we still have to go to get any respect.

So we regress as a home team this year, and our effort is still in question vs. +.500 teams. We sure ruined any feel good story we could have been with Al and Collins out.

Wabe

February 12th, 2012
10:29 pm

Go figure…

Another blowout defeat from Atlanta’s best sports team.

I love these Hawks, but this story just plays back year after year. Same ish, different year. National pundits clowning on us as they usually do.

Magic Johnson was talkin’ bout how poor tonights gameplan was. He actually said we didn’t have a gameplan. He said Josh – Joe – and the others were just running around blindfolded.

Derrick

February 12th, 2012
10:29 pm

And to even hilariously think that this particular game was “fixed” is hilariously. That is just a cop-out; an excuse for an emotionless, lackluster, energy-less game by the Hawks, with a packed house, on national television.

Joe Johnson has the face of a statue, and shows zero emotion or supreme effort, and he says that he thinks that everyone would have come out and played harder? What about YOU, Joe Johnson? You spit in the well when it comes to big-time games, yet your spark seems to come when we play the Bobcats or the Wizards. Woopty-doo!

Josh Smith is day and night. He’s better than I’ve seen him this year in quite some time, but tonight he looked emotionless. Stop complaining to the refs all of the time!

Marvin Williams? Oh, boy.

The BENCH seemed to show more emotion and drive than these starters did.

Hopefully we can turn this around in Los Angeles against the Lakers, but if this is a sign of things to come, it’s not going to get prettier with Bynum and Pau in the paint. They better hope that Kobe is still struggling with his shot when they are in Staples–perhaps that will give them some “help.” Well, until Kobe takes over in the 4th; something that LeBron struggles with.

Nonetheless, it’s one game, but I hope that they learn something from this game. This game wasn’t “fixed”–the simple fact is that the Hawks didn’t have their minds “fixed” on the prize. I’ve seen more emotion from a dead plant than this group…

DawgNole

February 12th, 2012
10:29 pm

Rod from College Park: “Willie Green was on the street for a reason. He is no Jamal Crawford, and his paychecks remind that. I like him, but if we are depending on Willie Green, then we have no chance.”
__________________________

It doesn’t matter who we’re depending on. We still have no chance.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
10:30 pm

Is Taylor Swift 21 yet?

Admiral Ackbar

February 12th, 2012
10:30 pm

CAN WE PLEASE FIRE LD AND GET JERRY SLOAN OUT OF RETIREMENT!!!!!

ITS A TRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
10:30 pm

Big Dog,

I’m saying Collins should not play 10-15 minutes EVERY game. He can be very effective in the right situations, but those situations are few and far between.

Astro Joe

February 12th, 2012
10:30 pm

Not for nothing, but Marvin took a shot every 2 minutes of playing time, a rate more aggressive than any other Hawk tonight.

Very good defensive teams have a single Hawk to defend, Joe. Josh does his damage as a stat stuffer, not an offensive powerhouse.

Lastly, kind of funny to read folk suggest Joe should be taking more shots when some of the same have suggested that he stop shooting if he starts off cold.
How about this, Heat are better than the Hawks and the margin of defeat doesn’t change the winning percentage and it certainly doesn;t change fan attendance. Did you hear the Philips crowd cheer a Battier 3 in the 1st quarter? Not Wade, not Bron, not even Bosh. WTF are they doing cheering for a Battier 3? Did they come to watch Battier play?

Astro Joe

February 12th, 2012
10:31 pm

I was no Jamal fan, but at least when he was on the floor with Joe, it diluted the attantion of the defense. Now, who is going to scare the opposing defense other than Joe?

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
10:32 pm

IM SORRY GUYS MARVIN IS HORRIBLE.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

February 12th, 2012
10:32 pm

“Do you insist on playing him & taking away JT ‘ minutes to vindicate the trade,but giving KT big minutes is just making you look more stupid,stupid.”

Maybe I’m stupid, or maybe it’s LD, but who is KT? How stupid to not know the initials of the players?

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
10:34 pm

High-sider

‘`LD should’ve purposely gotten two techs
and made the refs eject him [LD] from the this travesty”

Right on dude

Dept. Of Redundancy Dept.

February 12th, 2012
10:35 pm

“And to even hilariously think that this particular game was “fixed” is hilariously.”

Enough said.

Wabe

February 12th, 2012
10:35 pm

This is the sole reason why folks echoing any thoughts about the Hawks being Atlanta’s best sports team need to chilllllll.

Sure, the Hawks have advanced in the playoffs. It took them forever before they could do that, but they’ve done it. Fine.

Unfortunately, they’ve got a dysfunctional ownership group that’s content with them being as good as they’ve been. They’re not in it to win it. If they were, they would’ve been made some freakin’ moves to get this unit over the top. Either that, or realize that this core has maxed out and go in a different direction. But, again, we just trot out the same cast with the same hopes that ‘this will be the year’, and we slowly realize that it’s another typical Hawks season – pretty good, but being pretty good in a top heavy league that features 4-5 great teams ain’t that difficult.

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
10:35 pm

From now on all Nationally Televised games presented by the Hawks are traps…

Go watch the Grammy’s you’ll feel much better…..LMAO!

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
10:35 pm

O’Brien if that’s the case watch how teams continue to drive the ball to basket for easy layups, this team is soft with out Collins playing.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

February 12th, 2012
10:37 pm

Larry does not have the balls or the budget to allow a rejection on his part…Hes the lowest paid NBA Coach… C’mon man…………….

O'Brien

February 12th, 2012
10:37 pm

Rod,

I wish we had the money to keep Jamal, but we didn’t (due to bad allocation of funds). However, 2 Simple questions for you.

1) If we had a healthy Horford, do you think this current team could win a first round playoff series?
2) If we had resigned Jamal, would we advance past the second round (assuming Horford stayed healthy)?

Because with or without Jamal, I think the hawks are a second round team (if Horford was healthy). Imo, why pay $5 mil for a guy to get you to the second round, when you can spend $5 mil on the entire bench, and still get to the second round?

doc

February 12th, 2012
10:37 pm

big dog is your first name jarron, as in jarron collins the brother of jason? only way someone could be so blind to facts on collins that there are other guys who could do what he did a plus more and now that zaza has done it, besides vava of course.

MattP

February 12th, 2012
10:38 pm

I wish Drew would try the rotations from earlier this season without Hinrich. I think the 2nd unit worked alot better together with Pargo, and Pargo actually looked better then Hinrich at guarding PG. I would say for him to play backup SG but that will really hurt Green.

Dept. of the intended..

February 12th, 2012
10:39 pm

You call this “ENTERTAINMENT”?

I’d rather watch ants build a sand castle!

doc

February 12th, 2012
10:39 pm

slimj, no, but she is 18 and has already made the rounds with a few male stars.

Rusty

February 12th, 2012
10:41 pm

Dept up yours idot

Dept. of the intended..

February 12th, 2012
10:42 pm

doc, she is still one beautiful young lady……

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
10:44 pm

doc haha you got jokes

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
10:45 pm

enter you comments

terrell

February 12th, 2012
10:46 pm

Another blowout home loss? Wow! Fire LD. And Teague pulled for KH again? Thats what you get Uncle Larry. Clown!

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
10:47 pm

This would be my starting line up when Collins come back

Teague, Joe, Josh, Ivan, Collins

Pargo, Green, Tmac, sorry Marvin, Zaza

watch how my front court be physical in the paint on defense.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

doc

February 12th, 2012
10:48 pm

dept is there any irony in your latest post or did you get carried away with her beauty? forgetting your place dude. you are letting me down bro or did i miss it?

besides, taylor isnt the woman faith or shania is yet nor the voice. guess i am old school. heh heh

Derrick

February 12th, 2012
10:48 pm

The Hawks were “rolling in the deep” tonight, and the Miami Heat were singing to the Atlanta Defense, “And IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII will alwayssssss lovveeeeee you.”

Najeh Davenpoop

February 12th, 2012
10:49 pm

“This is the sole reason why folks echoing any thoughts about the Hawks being Atlanta’s best sports team need to chilllllll.

Sure, the Hawks have advanced in the playoffs. It took them forever before they could do that, but they’ve done it. Fine.

Unfortunately, they’ve got a dysfunctional ownership group that’s content with them being as good as they’ve been. They’re not in it to win it.”

And until the Falcons or Braves win something in the playoffs, they’re not “in it to win it” either.

The Hawks trot out the same cast every year and get the same result. The Falcons stick with the same core devoid of top 10 players at any position and get the same result. The Braves watch as their division rivals make some freakin’ moves and trot out the same players and get the same result. None of them deserve props. Until someone does more in the playoffs than the Hawks have, the Hawks are the best team in Atlanta.

doc

February 12th, 2012
10:49 pm

big dog, we aim to plaese.

Derrick

February 12th, 2012
10:50 pm

Too bad Jeff Van Gundy isn’t our coach.

kevkat

February 12th, 2012
10:51 pm

When will we realize the Hawks are exactly where they should be..slightly better than the Magic and not on the level of those above them in the conference..they are exactly where Sund wants them..good engough to make the playoffs and maybe win a round..this is all you are going to get folks… as long as Sund and others run the Hawks.

BIG DOG

February 12th, 2012
10:51 pm

If you play Josh at the 3 in the post he will become unstoppable in the paint at SF.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
10:52 pm

This looked like a F______________’king road game against a winner? Huh?

brigadierjerry

February 12th, 2012
10:52 pm

I will say that even by this loss, I think the Hawks can beat Philly and Indy in a playoff series but I do not see them beating the Heat and I give them 50/50 beating the Bulls in a playoff series. ALso the Hawks have done this act of getting blown out way too many times. Haws are the battered wife syndrome. Just when you think the wife is going to leave the Husband the wife comes back because the husband isnt abusive for a few days. They will win against a good team when you least expect it but until I see otherwise as far as some major trade to improve the team which we know wont happen or the team being more consistent, I will take a wait and see approach to see how they fare in the playoffs. I do not get to high or low with this team. It is what it is until proven otherwise

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
10:53 pm

Hawks 2X> Fal-cons for sure…..

Rusty

February 12th, 2012
10:54 pm

Does anyone not think that LD is worthless?

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 12th, 2012
10:54 pm

These guys quit in the middle of the 2nd quarter.

BENCH MARVIN. WHY IS HE STILL STARTING?

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
10:56 pm

Hey Larry did you learn anything about tonight game?
………..Crickets…….

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
10:58 pm

Knight should have took Rudy Gay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

18 a night from the 3 spot! huge!

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
10:58 pm

Need another scorer at the 3 spot asap….

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:00 pm

Rudy has a silky smooth pull up j, doc..He showing it on ESPN!

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 12th, 2012
11:01 pm

Will lose 112-87 on Tuesday night in L.A.

Rusty

February 12th, 2012
11:04 pm

I guess there is one thing Larry is doing ,he’s ruining JT’ confidence

Derrick

February 12th, 2012
11:05 pm

The Hawks had the “bird flu” tonight, apparently…

Hawks Fan Down Under

February 12th, 2012
11:07 pm

The downward spiral has begun….this road trip is going to kill the Hawks.

LD is at least honest. ON ESPN he fully admitted at half time he has no idea why the Hawks lacked energy. Every time they cut to the ‘wired’ segment LD was saying all the right things. I think the combination of LD’s poor rotations and the players just being lazy and tuning him out are whats the problem here.

Either way LD has to go….and Josh should be right behind him.

Start Ivan…at least he brings it EVERY night even if he doesnt have the ability of the main guys!

Hawks Fan Down Under

February 12th, 2012
11:09 pm

Hawks will go 1-4 on this trip…they might beat Phoenix but even thats unlikely….could be 0-5!

kevkat

February 12th, 2012
11:10 pm

Joe Johnson and Jesse James should have been brothers..Both robbers..just in different era’s.

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
11:11 pm

Yawl ought not be talkin ’bout that little Swift girl.
She’s just a child.
A lovely child, but still, c’mon.
She’s young enough to be my grandaughter for cryin’ out loud.
She ain’t been with no grown men … that’s just wrong.

Derrick

February 12th, 2012
11:11 pm

Jesus Christ is coming soon!

High-sider

February 12th, 2012
11:15 pm

As Jamie Foxx would say, the Hawks should blame this loss on the al-al-al-al-al-alcohol.

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:17 pm

Hawks Fan Down Under

February 12th, 2012
11:09 pm

“Hawks will go 1-4 on this trip…they might beat Phoenix but even thats unlikely….could be 0-5!”

Naw its time for these guys to play like the Elites!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They need to go 4-1!

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 12th, 2012
11:18 pm

Will barely be .500 by the end of the month.

What a bunch of losers.

These guys quit in the 2nd quarter.

I don’t think Teague understands that if he is driving to the basket and has a good chance of finishing the play, that he is allowed to actually go up with it rather than cowering away every time.

Marvin sucks
Smoove is immature
Joe needs help
Teague sucks
Hinrich is okay but not good enough

Only players who showed up tonight were ZaZa (the only guy on the glass) and Willie Green

FIRE LD

FIRE SUND

2 TRADES IN LAST 3 YEARS. 3 TRADES IN LAST 4 YEARS

WHAT A JOKE

NUNNA!!

February 12th, 2012
11:19 pm

One thing i hated that most talked about in the media about this team,was the presence in the locker room of mcgrady and stackhouse.
Look if Josh and company can’t provide the leadership among these players that we have now then,they never will..

Those 2 guys who were great in their times and can still ball a lil bit,are taking up bench space for 2 younger guys to be here..

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 12th, 2012
11:20 pm

Joe Johnson DID NOT HAVE ONE REBOUND IN 30 MINUTES. Are you serious? LeBron had 13. D.Wade had 5 in 24 minutes.

ZERO REBOUNDS FOR A 6″7 ALL STAR

WHEN IS LD GOING TO HOLD MARVIN AND JOE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR REBOUNDING????????? HE SAID HE WOULD

NORTHCYDE WHERE ARE YOU? 0 REBOUNDS IN 30 MINUTES
NOT 1
NOT 2
NOT 3

*********ZERO*******

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:24 pm

A 3-10 February would be DISASTROUS!!!!!! Its starting to look and feel like that scenario rapido….

doc

February 12th, 2012
11:24 pm

grandad, try and keep her honor but she has been making a lot of money of her love affairs gone bad with the likes of john mayer and i think the guy from broke back. sorry to burst your bubble. if she can write about it and make big irs type money off it she is fair game for her actions no matter her age.

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:25 pm

Northcyde quit along with his “it was a great freaking #2 pick”……Yawn……

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:27 pm

touche doc, well said ref young blue eyes Taylor….

doc

February 12th, 2012
11:28 pm

slimj, dont panic yet, they got 2 wins already. now 4 and 9 which i shuddered to think could be a reality is still possible. still think 5 or 6 wins at least. look out for the back to backs in march which will be tough on the tired legs even though competition not as bad. hate to again tell you what to look out for, but just helping out.

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:29 pm

I give credit to LARRY: he admitted on National TV that he aint got a clue…….Sheesh….

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
11:30 pm

O’Brien

“Because with or without Jamal, I think the hawks are a second round team (if Horford was healthy). Imo, why pay $5 mil for a guy to get you to the second round, when you can spend $5 mil on the entire bench, and still get to the second round?”

I don’t think we will get out of the first round this year. Playoff basketball is different than regular season. The bench might look great during the regular season, but won’t mean much in the playoffs. Willie Green, Radmo, Pargo will not see much action in the playoffs. Would have liked to see us keep Jamal or sign a JR Smith type of player, and have them on the floor in the 4th quarter with Joe. Teague, Jamal (JR Smith), Joe, Josh, Al (Zaza). A lineup like this would keep the floor spaced, and keep teams from focusing on Joe. Notice I did not have Jamal playing point guard, which is the mistake LD made.

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:32 pm

hey doc, i’m gonna borrow a line from that charlatan, Jesse (yes we can) “keep hope alive”! lol

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
11:34 pm

Grandmaster JeJe (GM),

WHEN IS LD GOING TO HOLD MARVIN AND JOE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR REBOUNDING????????? HE SAID HE WOULD

He never has a mumbling word to say about Joe, Marvin or Horford. He just likes to take shots at Josh in the media, and bench Teague when he makes mistakes.

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:34 pm

Alicia Keys has gained something? Cant seem to put a foot on it?

Ajc budget woes

February 12th, 2012
11:34 pm

Due to budget concerns there will be no ajc story on this game

SteveW

February 12th, 2012
11:35 pm

ESPN Radio was just reporting that DRose is seeing a back specialist tomorrow, and that Rose is despondent.

This may be a long, recurring thing for Rose. Or it may be next to nothing. It should be interesting to follow for a little while anyhow.

Chicago is still really good without DRose. I do think his loss would hurt them in the playoffs bigtime, way worse than the regular season. They’re so deep, they could still probably win a bunch of games in the regular season. But you need that crunch time guy in the playoff’s, and that would be lacking on the Bulls is he goes down.

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:39 pm

His back is getting worse SteveW! He’s been playing with a sore back since HIGHSchool!

A huge loss it would be for Chicago to lose him…

That finished Larry Birds career his back……Wow!

doc

February 12th, 2012
11:40 pm

slim you think he is despondent, how about the owner of the guaranteed contract

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:42 pm

yes doc..sucks…

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
11:44 pm

Look – I ain’t taaking up for LD;
but you cannot blame the coach for this stinker.

Rusty;
‘`Does anyone not think that LD is worthless?`’

-not me-
Okay, yes there are better coaches … granted.
But admit … there are better teams to coach as well.
Could Chuck Daly have done a better job with this team ?
Heck yeah.
Could Chuck Daly win a championship in ATL;
with ASG /Sund, et al ?
‘` you ever heard the old sayin:
can’t make chickin salad out of chickin shiite”.
Then there are really bad coaches that have screwed up good teams.
Flip Saunders with the Pistons underachieved -didn’t- screw up but ….
Terry Porter – maybe ?
It’s all relative.

Sund/ASG – is/are the real culprits.

Bottom Line = the Players Quit. Not the 1st time either.

SteveW

February 12th, 2012
11:45 pm

Al Horford’s rehab – can’t start until the 1st week of March, unless something has changed. Earliest he could come back is mid – April realistically. Most folks that have his injury take 4-6 months to recuperate, the Hawks I think are just being optimistic.

He was playing inside more this year. Do you think he’s playing inside after this injury? I don’t see how. It seems if he comes back this season, we have jumpshot Al and no banger inside.

But hey, maybe I’m wrong…

slimjr

February 12th, 2012
11:45 pm

He has a 4 foot vertical, plus he contorts his back to make those circus shots..His back is stressed big time just because of his athleticism…

drmaryb could chime in to elaborate…. He may need to strengthen his core more to help compensate for this back?

Who Me?

February 12th, 2012
11:48 pm

Dear ASG -

Show up or go home. your product is lame, you’re not doing ANYone any favors by hanging onto this team and you’re not spending any money to make it better.

Do us all a favor, quit trotting this tripe out every night. make a deal with mr. Blank, i’m sure he’d let you unload it if the price is right. At least then we’d have someone who cares about Atlanta running another professional sports franchise locally.

Blake

February 12th, 2012
11:49 pm

Why do Atlanta teams lay an egg or tuck their tails when an elite team comes to town…Don’t get It…It’s like their scared….

SteveW

February 12th, 2012
11:49 pm

Slim – I didn’t know about his back problems previously. ESPN interviewed him, and then analyzed the situation. They sounded pretty apocalyptic about it, but I guess we’ll see. Josh probably can’t pick up his spot if he can’t go to the All Star game – Rose’s spot maybe goes to Rondo – what a beast he was tonite!

Hawks Fan Down Under

February 12th, 2012
11:50 pm

Why do the Hawks continually have these blowouts? There are only 3 consistent pieces to this puzzle with these losses over the last 3 years…Josh, JJ and Marvin. So really its on those guys. Clearly its not good enough for the guys around them to get infected like they do but when these 3 soft as butter players are consuming so much play time it’s hard for the others to fight out of the lethargy.

Gotta get rid of these dudes one way or the other.

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
11:54 pm

doc

I still try to live in a pristine Norman Rockwell world.
Not really;
but, I don’t even listen to very much music atall,
and I do not even know who that John feller is ?
that you mentioned.

Still she looks like an innocent little girl to me.

My apologies for my naivete.

SteveW

February 12th, 2012
11:56 pm

Rod – Glad to see you didn’t have Jamal at PG in your above scenario – good move. So yes, if LD knew how to properly use Jamal, I would have loved to have him back. There were times where he was my favorite Hawk, for many weeks at the time. With LD, it just seemed like last season, it was an either/or thing with Jamal and Teague, with Teague getting the short end of the deal. Playing them together, with JJ, would have allowed for excellent floor spacing. You could make the argument that a big 2 could abuse Jamal, but Jamal is 6-5, and no closing lineup I know of is perfect – that would have been a great closing lineup.

Maybe LD tried it some, but I don’t remember it if he did. Wasn’t very often, for sure.

Grandad

February 12th, 2012
11:57 pm

‘`I don’t even listen to very much music atall`’

dissect that sentence D. of U. I.

Rod from College Park

February 12th, 2012
11:59 pm

As I said earlier, Gordon Heyward is much better than Marvin already.

doc

February 13th, 2012
12:00 am

slimj, actually some folks over emphasize the core in the wrong way and flatten out the lumbar curve in doing the “core” routine by over strengthening the flexors including the ilio-psoas muscles. it doesnt take much to strengthen the core but if takes more to keep the body flexible and the spinal muscles from getting too taut and compressing the vertebrae or the flexor muscles from pulling too strongly on the opposition muscles of the back and in a way overloading them. thankfully, i will say dont ever do the old sit up as it can do more to injure a back than to ever help it by “strengthening the core”. the best book for lay folks are by a guy named pete egoscue, the egoscue method and pain free.

really hate it about rose, he is a guy i love to watch and hear how serious he is about the game.

Grandad

February 13th, 2012
12:02 am

LD is not killing Teaguer’s confidence.
Cannot Kill something that ain’t there.
Now if someone said:
LD is not nurturing Teaguer’s confidence.
I can go with that.

doc

February 13th, 2012
12:02 am

the words of her music is not that of a child gdad. consider yourself informed. heh heh right slimj?

HawkEye

February 13th, 2012
12:03 am

Ho Hum. Another home blowout loss. These are beginning to become more frequent. I don’t mind the occasional loss, but these kind of losses are painful and demoralizing. When will the bleeding stop?

SteveW

February 13th, 2012
12:04 am

But unlike last season, when we are blown out, it is by 20, and not 30-40. And we aren’t getting down 47 or whatever it was like that Chicago game LD refused to play Teague in until late.

I mean we had some historic, monumental blowouts last season – and we were on the receiving end.

Against the Lakers, we will dominate them at the Point. We may not get blown out by as much as some may seem. I think we can hang with them, and may even sneak a win. I do think we will play them better than we did the Heat tonite, even if we lose.

And after Wednesday’s game, we get the 1st two nite break of the season if I looked at the schedule correctly. That is amazing!

Aye

February 13th, 2012
12:08 am

Hawks = trash

SteveW

February 13th, 2012
12:08 am

Rod – No doubt about Heyward. I was trying to push a Josh for Millsap/Hayward trade when it looked like the Hawks were determined to trade Josh.

Right now, I just hope the Hawks re-sign Josh. No need to let him walk for nothing at the end of next season, and I don’t know who you would trade him for that is realistic in a trade scenario that helps this team. Josh and Hinrich for Gasol? I don’t know.

Aye

February 13th, 2012
12:11 am

Joe Johnson = thief

Josh Smith = clown

Marvin = waste

Drew = looks like an auto mechanic

SteveW

February 13th, 2012
12:14 am

I just don’t think right now Gasol gets you any closer to a championship than Josh/Hinrich – plus Gasol is getting older, and has a fat contract.

doc

February 13th, 2012
12:19 am

gasol is not the answer.

HawkEye

February 13th, 2012
12:19 am

Honest Question.

It is obvious that Marvin is the weakest link in the starting five. So I have to ask you guys. Who would you rather start in his place? How many mins would you give the new starter and how many mins would you give to Marvin?

Grandad

February 13th, 2012
12:21 am

Here goes:
My Best & most controversial Trade -Ever- !

G-dad’s Trade o’ the Day [nite]
‘`after quittin’ and gettin’ butt whooped`’

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=83j3xfc

-too much folderol to transmute the whole thang-

Grandad

February 13th, 2012
12:23 am

Nite Yawl;
I’m getting outa here before being taken to task.
I’ll take my medicine in the morning.

Grandad

February 13th, 2012
12:29 am

I’ve heard 3 ways were fun;
danged if it wasn’t.
I ain’t had that much fun since the hawgs ate my li`l sister !

Rusty

February 13th, 2012
1:23 am

Every time JT makes a mistake LD jumps on him,you can often see LD yelling at him during the game & you know JT is thinking what the fk ,get off my back.when he scored a lot of points LDvtold him you got to be a passer,he tells him he has to be more aggressive on defense JT picks up 2 fouls & he sits him on the bench.LD sat his azz on the bench playing mike,jc1 & trading for KH,only playing him when K H goes down & he is forced to . This year JT comes out strong being the type of player that the hawks needed penetrating & playing good defense,seeming to have a good outside shot. LD starts bitching at him,pulling him out of the before anyone else,pulling him out when he was playing real well,threatening him when KH was coming out. This person LT has done every thing he possibly could do to tear his confidence down. JT is a lot faster than KH plays much better defense.KH is no threat to penetrate & probably JT is a much better outside shooter regardless what LD would have you believe. KH is on the downside of his career while JT has to get a lot better. The problem is that LD is trying his hardest to not let this happen. He should be fired for this alone not counting a lot of other reason.

Rusty

February 13th, 2012
1:27 am

He let’s a lot of other players get away with murder but rides JT trying to destroy him.

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 13th, 2012
1:52 am

Some people believe coaching is the biggest problem. Others believe we’ve reached the ceiling with the current core of players. Something needs to be done. What do you do? Fire LD or make a big shake up in the line up with trades?

We need to make some big trades because that is whats likely to occur first anyway. LD isnt a great coach, but it’s just his second year and his Hawks team beat Orlando in a playoff series, Woodson couldnt even get a win against them, and his Hawks team at least put up a fight in the second round against the Bulls winning 2 games. Woodson was getting swept in blow outs in the second round. Plus, LD’s team is over .500 now. I’m not saying this because I think LD is the man for the job, but just to show reasons why they probably wouldnt fire the guy anytime soon, unless we have a complete meltdown and miss or almost miss the playoffs. That’s not likely. They’ll keep LD as the coach and break up the core if they come up with these similar 2nd round ceiling results another year or 2, and since we know that’s going to happen, why wait? might as well blow it up asap.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

February 13th, 2012
2:16 am

Rusty you right. I see LD yelling at Teague but he needs to be yelling at Marvin. Why is he starting and better yet why is he even in the NBA? SMDGH

Let’s all pour a lil liquor for this years season.

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
2:38 am

People keep crying about Marvin. Can’t blame Marvin for the 1st half collapse. The popcorn machine does not lie.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20120212&game=MIAATL

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

February 13th, 2012
2:44 am

Who’s to blame then northcyde?

soullrenaissance

February 13th, 2012
2:50 am

Coaching IS the biggest problem Mac-Town. On the court, it stops from the top then trickles down. Lack of game plan and lack of support for Teague (poor in-game substitutions) and lack of 2nd half adjustments all fall on the coach. The players also play a big part in giving up in big games, especially JJ since he is the high-priced all-star vet. It starts from the top and trickles down to youngsters and rookies. It speaks volumes when the bench players bring it more than the 1st unit.

beone

February 13th, 2012
2:50 am

Same ole same ole. At least a big trade would provide hope. As is, there is none.

soullrenaissance

February 13th, 2012
2:52 am

it ’starts’ from the top – typo

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
2:57 am

Rewatching part of this game before I go to bed. I have to ask again, why did Drew opt to not put JJ into the game when he pulled T-Mac?

The team played like crap, but Drew’s rotations are baffling. Drew played Zaza and Smith almost the entire 1st half, but JJ and especially Teague sat long stretches in the 1st half. The game didn’t get out of control until Teague exited in the 1st quarter. We were only down 5 at that point. But were down 12 by the time the quarter ended.

It was an uphill battle from that point on.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

February 13th, 2012
2:57 am

No one wants to claim responsibility in the Hawks organization.

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
3:04 am

Clyde in a game like tonight, our star players have to play like stars. JJ and Smith were solid in the 1st quarter, but horrible in the 2nd.

The runs the Heat went on were incredible.

LOL @ Hubie after Marvin hit that 2nd three.

“I’m glad he’s come to life now. He’s shooting 45% from 3 this year. But its hard to score if you don’t get the ball passed to you or the don’t run you off screens.”

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 13th, 2012
3:15 am

Joe 0 rebounds

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 13th, 2012
3:17 am

Sund has made 2 trades in 4 yrs.

danny d

February 13th, 2012
3:18 am

Dear Mr Cunningham- the hawks are the best average team in the league. they strive to be average. josh smith is arguing about being a all star and is not even the best player on the team. tell him to get us to the conference finals b4 he is raving about personal achievements. and tell him to quit looking at his daddy every time he misses a shot, this aint 9-10 rec ball. dominique would never let a team come unto his court and dominate his hawks team lke the heat did. and joe johnson’s salary is a million away from dirk, that is highway robbery. mick romny is not getting over on his portfolio, joe johnson and josh are. if atlanta ownership is satisfied with this mess, then i am too. and i will respond by not going to another game. they are all stars if you are in a local gym, but not in the nba. make a trade and package josh and joe and try to get a prime time player and tell them you will give them marvin for free with a pack of chips and a kroger card. im not a GM but start your roster with teague, holsford, himrich, and petula( i know i spelled that wrong) and clear out the rest of the roster. thats only 4 players, but i will get in shape by then and play small forward. its not rocket science. clear the rest of the roster. and to the braves and the falcons….you are next on the list.

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
3:31 am

Lol. He said a bag of chips and a Kroger card.

This used to be a dominant home team under Woody, but couldn’t win a road game to save their lives.

Now, they almost seem shellshocked at home, while playing almost great on the road under Drew.

So don’t be surprised if the Hawks beat the Lakers on Tuesday.

Hawks Fan Down Under

February 13th, 2012
5:28 am

Maybe Drew and Woody should tag team!

Drew on the road with Woody at home…we’d be no1 in the NBA!!!!!!

vava74

February 13th, 2012
5:31 am

This is not rocket science.

We are systematically out coached when we face teams in the same or above level as we are.

Adding to this, we are also subject to refereeing bias against us/in favor of opponents.

And we are undermanned without Al.

It’s not even worth discussing it further.

Hawks Fan Down Under

February 13th, 2012
5:40 am

I agree vava74 but the problems run deeper. This team refuses to compete when stood over by a superior team. They have no heart, no fight and no resolve whatsoever. It’s not true of every player on the team (Willie played great tonight and Ivan brought he’s usual intensity) but it’s a team problem that they simply can’t fix. There is only one way to fix this and that is new personnel. They would fold under Woody and now under Drew and I suspect they’d fold under Adelman or Collins or any other coach.

As I posted earlier JJ, Josh and Marvin are the 3 constants over the years of Hawks capitulations. They need to be broken up because they simply can’t make it work…period! I’d say at least 1 if not 2 of those 3 have to go and I reckon Josh is the main culprit followed by JJ…..our 2 captains.

terrell

February 13th, 2012
5:45 am

When Horfords in the building, WE STINK. Stay at home! lol

Just Joe

February 13th, 2012
6:07 am

Bunch of jump shooters. When our shots are off, we can’t score, the other team grabs defensive rebounds, and long rebounds lead to easy transition baskets.

Shots don’t fall, heads hang, and feet drag = we get blown out.

We hit our jumpers, energy is up, defense improves, other team misses shots, we grab defensive rebounds = we win ball games.

vava74

February 13th, 2012
6:25 am

Hawks Fan Down Under:

The thin balance between being competitive and not being competitive has 2 main elements.

Talent and Coaching.

Talented teams when poorly coached under perform.

Less talented teams when well coached over achieve.

The Hawks are moderately talented (let us say B level talent) BUT are poorly coached (since almost ever).

You cannot expect players to simply coach themselves and last night was a perfect example. We started well, were in the game and then we folded.

Not particularly because of lack of effort/energy but because MIA came with a completely different game plan and LD completely failed to adjust.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20120212&game=MIAATL.

Miami made their initial (and decisive run) when they benched Wade AND Bosh.

LACK OF CORRECT ADJUSTMENTS by LD.

MJ only won his rings when he was properly coached with PJ (and Tex Winter’s triangle).

Kobe & Shaq and then only Kobe ditto.

Heck, Wade and Shaq together won with SVG being fired and replaced with Riley (and with the help of the refs).

David Robinson only won when he got high quality coaching and Duncan.

Just look at the Bulls: even without Rose, they keep on winning or at least being very competitive.

Nowitzki won with Rick Carlisle thoroughly out-coaching Spoelstra.

Effort levels drop when coaches fail to place their players in situations which maximize their games.

Finally, to add things up, the refereeing is systematically biased against us in these games.

JJ gets whacked, grabbed, pushed, scratched and whatever with no calls. ALL THE TIME.

JJ may have deficiencies but heck, he has a really tough life there in the court: LD does not maximize his talent AND he gets consistently fouled with no calls.

terrell

February 13th, 2012
6:36 am

vava, maybe if JJ would bitch at the refs a little bit, as opposed to looking like a freakin statue out there, he may gets some calls. smmfgdh

terrell

February 13th, 2012
6:37 am

Heck ,the refs probably dont even know JJ is playing. Still smmfgdh.

vava74

February 13th, 2012
7:21 am

terrell,

you are right, he should get some techs, complain, be vocal in the media, get fined and maybe something would change…

… but he is not “built like that”. It’s a shame.

terrell

February 13th, 2012
7:36 am

He looks the same. Whether they’re losing by 20, or up 20. lol. Thats why I hate looking at him sometimes. Irritating to say the least.

terrell

February 13th, 2012
7:38 am

He wont even jump when he’s doing a chestbump. He just stands on his tiptoes.

ISO

February 13th, 2012
8:47 am

What is JJ’s face when constipated? Oh never mind. Just the same.

Ray

February 13th, 2012
8:50 am

Okay I’ve said some things about this team, but you know we can yell at them all day, but one reason for these big blowouts is the season itself you know didn’t Atlanta just come back from a trip to Orlando even though you have a break in between you need longer than that sometimes.

Still the thing I’m more upset with is LD seems to have improved, but one area he has not improved is the subbing.

It’s almost as if he doesn’t like certain players sometimes, and when other players such as Josh and JJ do extremely horrible nothing happens you don’t see that Greg Pop moment where he pulls his starters because they didn’t execute to the plan.

Astro Joe

February 13th, 2012
9:38 am

Some want Joe and Josh to have to play an endure the blowout, others want Joe and Josh to be benched a minute into the 2nd half (ala Popovich).

I think we should blame Stack because he is the player-coach who didn’t get these guys to play with energy. He’s taking up a roster spot, surely he should be able to solve all of the Hawks intangible issues while earning his paycheck.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
10:01 am

“Notice I did not have Jamal playing point guard, which is the mistake LD made.”

It’s funny you should mention this.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/02/crawford-to-replace-felton-as-blazers-starting-point-guard/

kwooden

February 13th, 2012
10:07 am

Couldn’t bring myself to write anything yesterday, I really didn’t expect a positive outcome, but getting embarrassed again on national TV is painful to watch. Miami played great and we weren’t making contested jump-shots. We’re a jump-shooting team and that has extreme problems against good teams that are playing well. This was another game that reminds me that I’m waiting for the Playoffs and really hoping Al is ready to go them. That’s our only real hope to make the ECF.

GO HAWKS!!

hawks fan down under

February 13th, 2012
10:08 am

I’m more than happy to see LD go but at some point the players have to accept some responsibility. if they don’t like the coach or think the game plan is bad say something, ask for a trade or be professional and work your arse off anyway.

my point is jj and josh aren’t leaders and we need some badly. josh’s petulance and poor body language will never help this club to a title. he’s the girl with the curl: when he’s good he’s great, but when he’s bad he’s horrible

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
10:08 am

“People keep crying about Marvin. Can’t blame Marvin for the 1st half collapse. The popcorn machine does not lie.”

The popcorn machine doesn’t tell you that the -3 during Marvin’s game-opening stint would have been at least a +3 were it not for two completely indefensible Marvin turnovers and a wide open shot Marvin bricked.

When you lose by 20, no one player is solely responsible, but who knows how different the rest of the quarter might have been if the Hawks had a lead when LD made his first substitution.

kwooden

February 13th, 2012
10:08 am

I echo Just Joe.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
10:13 am

“JJ gets whacked, grabbed, pushed, scratched and whatever with no calls. ALL THE TIME.

JJ may have deficiencies but heck, he has a really tough life there in the court: LD does not maximize his talent AND he gets consistently fouled with no calls.”

All that whacking/grabbing/pushing/scratching is a lot more likely to get called on players who are aggressive driving to the hoop than players who stand around dribbling the ball 15-20 feet away from the basket. Maybe the refs suck for not calling contact on Joe, but this is the way NBA games have been called for as long as I can remember.

Can’t complain about something being a disadvantage when you already know about the disadvantage and have a chance to account for it. If Joe wants calls, he needs to be aggressive and drive inside.

O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
10:14 am

C-viv,

No post game blog?

Rod,

If Horford was healthy, do you still think this team would not get out of the first round?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
10:18 am

“LOL @ Hubie after Marvin hit that 2nd three.

“I’m glad he’s come to life now. He’s shooting 45% from 3 this year. But its hard to score if you don’t get the ball passed to you or the don’t run you off screens.””

Hubie also thinks that Vlad should play 25 minutes per game, so maybe everything he says isn’t necessarily 100% accurate.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
10:20 am

“The game didn’t get out of control until Teague exited in the 1st quarter. We were only down 5 at that point. But were down 12 by the time the quarter ended.”

In large part because Norris Cole was easily shedding Kirk and his heady, savvy, veteran experienced hard-nosed tough defense.

Trade Kirk for a motherf-cking big man. Pargo can give the Hawks at least 80% of what Kirk provides.

Melvin

February 13th, 2012
10:29 am

I wonder which owner went into the locker room at halftime. And what does he thinks about the Hawks 2nd half performance which was worst than the 1st half. After getting embarass on National TV again, will they consider making changes before the trade deadline.

KevinM

February 13th, 2012
10:35 am

Well, we all know Joe and Josh won’t be enough. They have played well enough to compete and even win a few games, but this team isn’t good enough to compete.
They need help, and have needed help since Woody was here. But Sund just can’t seem to pull the trigger to improve this starting lineup.

Teague is the only significant installment to the starting 5, but its not enough when Zaza and Marvin are 2 of your options.

Look at our starting 5 today; can this team compete with the Eastern rivals?
Boston – we compete, but probably won’t win a playoff series.
Orlando – we compete, and it might be the only team above .500 that we can beat.
Chicago – nope, we aren’t better than their starters.
Miami – we aren’t beating Miami in a series.
Indy – we compete, and up for debate if we can win a series.
Philly – we don’t match up well with them as proven so far.

So I can see us 5th with or without Al. I don’t see him making that much of a difference in how well we play. We may compete more, but I don’t see him as a difference in us winning a playoff series.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
10:38 am

8 of the Hawks’ 10 losses have been by 9 points or more.

O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
10:48 am

Northcyde has mentioned this before, but in big games, we need our stars to play like stars. And it all starts with JJ.

Hawks have played 14 games against teams over .500, and we are 5-9. In those games, JJ has scored 20 or more 3 times. 3. it’s hard to win when your “best” player cannot be counted on for 20+ points in those games. I know teams key in on him, but we need more from our $120 mil man.

In JJ’s first 5 seasons with the Hawks, he averaged 22 pts, 5 assists, 4 rebs. Since signing his 6 years, $120 mil contract, he is averaging 18, 4 and 4. His last 2 years have seen a decline in his overall numbers, and he turns 31 this year…and has 4 more years left on his contract. Ouch.

12-13: $19.8 mil
13-14: $21.5 mil
14-15: $23.2 mil
15-16: $24.9 mil.

I’m not putting it all on JJ, because management has not done enough to help him out. But he needs to do more.

Slimjr

February 13th, 2012
10:53 am

Need a bonifide 18-20 per night from the 3 spot! An NBA SCORER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Joe needs help, Osh and Marvin are not scorers…..Duh……………

Astro Joe

February 13th, 2012
10:59 am

Were we undefeated before Hinrich returned to the line-up?

KevinM

February 13th, 2012
10:59 am

An excerpt from an article from David Aldridge about how Popovich treats the stars in San Antonio:
“And it doesn’t mean Pop has gotten all warm and fuzzy. He still cusses a blue streak and still chews out Parker and Duncan just as much as anyone.

“It was shocking,” said Danny Green, who played in Cleveland with LeBron James during all that business in James’ last season there. “When I first got here last year it was a big shock. Because I think he holds them more accountable than us. Other places I’ve been to, the younger guys get screamed at more than the older guys. Here, he yells at them before he yells at us, because he feels that they should know better. That’s how it’s supposed to be. He doesn’t favor anybody. He curses us, but once he expects you to play a certain way, you better believe he’s going to be on you.”

I am sure this isn’t happening on our roster, not that it is all Joe and Josh’s fault. But they have to step up, play all the minutes and lead by example…after all, they are the captains!

Astro Joe

February 13th, 2012
11:00 am

Or more specificaqlly, were we undefeated against winning teams before Hinrich returned?

Astro Joe

February 13th, 2012
11:01 am

What did that ESPN article say? Tha 25% of players can’t be traded until 3/1?

kwooden

February 13th, 2012
11:13 am

We have a real problem getting easy baskets! Good teams will take away Teague’s drives to the paint and Josh’s post-ups. We’re left with JJ floaters or the occasional put-backs. These guys have to make their jump-shots to be successful, PERIOD! We also need to rebound a lot better and they definitely didn’t do that last night.

vava74

February 13th, 2012
11:18 am

Najeh,

There was a specific play in which JJ drove, beat his defender, got whacked and front rimmed his shot and the result of that play was a fast break bucket on the other side of the court.

It’s disheartening.

And your assertion that only guys that drive get the calls does not match what I see when OKC is playing and Durant gets to the line when people breathe too close to him.

Also, JJ gets a LOT of contact when he goes for his floaters, as Josh also does in many of his off-balance-not-quite-composed drives and – as you very frequently point out – Teague also does not get any respect from the refs.

The result is usually JJ disappearing from the game, Josh pouting and Teague losing his aggressiveness.

Heck, JJ should make a stand and get some techs but my guess is that we will be left waiting BUT, the reality is that when the Hawks play teams with better records – due in most cases due to more aggressive defense – we get constantly put back by the refereeing.

Igoudala whacked JJ in Philly as if JJ was a f*ck*ng piñata (I did not watch the ATL game), George the same in Indy, Deng/Bogans/Price in the past the same, over and over and over.

There is a structural “let’s mess with the Hawks” culture in the NBA and in the media which constitutes a vicious circle.

That vicious circle could be broken if the ASG took the trouble to speak out against it and backed ($$) the coaches and the players when they got fined for calling things as they are.

This is not an excuse, its something that is clear to me and that is a major hurdle, in particular when we are so poorly run from by the ASG-SUND-LD three headed monster.

doc

February 13th, 2012
11:28 am

man how lucky we are when it comes to being able to pad the record by playing in the east rather than the west. with the cavs ailments i am throwing them under the bus; right now there are 6 really terrible teams in the east and only 1 in the west, the hornets. i think sac has righted their ship and the warriors are better than the bottom dwellers in the east. we will see how our record fares against the west though the schedule is imbalanced it will still point out a trend.

doc

February 13th, 2012
11:29 am

was surprised to see affirmative words about al from vava’s keyboard today. almost wondered if it was really him talking about how much we missed soft al.

doc

February 13th, 2012
11:31 am

that one team was from the west aj and more of them are coming. we also barely snared a win against the twolves, too. their below .500’s are as good as two thirds the east except the hornets.

Just Joe

February 13th, 2012
11:59 am

We need Hinrich to have a great game against the Lakers. The trade exception and draft pick for Hinrich trade would be a great start to the trading season.

KevinM

February 13th, 2012
12:03 pm

Josh shooting 30% 3PFG and 54% FT….hard to count on that in the 4th quarter…if we are still in the game at that point.
That leaves Joe all alone out there, although I like Teague having the ball in his hands.

Sund and LD have simply lucked out with Teague.

vava74

February 13th, 2012
12:07 pm

doc,

Al is a softie, but without him we are clearly undermanned. There is no question about it and since day 1 of his injury I was vocal about his loss being a huge blow for us.

The man does bring about 15 and 9.5 during the regular season and is a guy who plays good fundamental team defense, knocks open shots on offense and is a more than adequate passer for a big man.

vava74

February 13th, 2012
12:14 pm

Right now the Hawks need to get Marvin out of the starting line up and insert T-Mac.

Due to his court vision and ability to post and draw contact, T-Mac will command double teams, which is something Marvin will never do, even if he played against 5-year olds.

If T-Mac’s shot is falling, that would be a plus.

T-Mac usually makes Zaza play better and now that we have him starting, I think that he would have a positive influence in getting Zaza rolling on offense and keep his attention levels high.

Against the Lakers, I think that this line up would give us a small chance.

Metta is not an offensive threat nowadays so T-Mac would not be under pressure to burn himself out on D.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

February 13th, 2012
12:18 pm

Where is the accountability Gearon? Can’t blame the fans for last night’s blowout.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

February 13th, 2012
12:24 pm

People say Atlanta has the worst sports fans. Really? Do they expect us to stand up and cheer when our team is getting blown out at home?

darrell starks

February 13th, 2012
12:32 pm

This was some BS last night, that Marvin William is no where to be seen, 7years and this guy still starting, everybody always blame Josh, Joe when things go bad but coach never call out the worst starting SF in the NBA.
Coach LD need take a look in the mirror and ask him self why is Marvin starting.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
12:34 pm

“Notice I did not have Jamal playing point guard, which is the mistake LD made.”

It’s funny you should mention this.

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/02/crawford-to-replace-felton-as-blazers-starting-point-guard/

Yeah that is interesting Najeh. The guy that most on here bash, and say how terrible he is continues to go to teams and produce. I personally thought he should have started for the Hawks as well. I believe that you should always start your best players. Portland is a different team than us though. they have a guy on the block that commands a double team, which should make Jamals job a lot easier.

darrell starks

February 13th, 2012
12:35 pm

COACH LD MARVIN GRAPE COOLAID PACKAGE HAVE EXPIRE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

February 13th, 2012
12:36 pm

Kevin you are right. If you sit down and study the Hawks “offensive system” they take the ball out of Teague’s hands too early. As soon as he crosses half court he is either passing to Smoove or Zaza 20 feet out. The next pass is to Joe and he dribbles until the shot clock dies down or shoots a long jumper.

Most teams in the NBA keep the ball in the hands of their guards and let them create scoring opportunities for their big men. The Hawks turn their bigs into something they are not by giving them the ball to far away from the basket. That’s why Smoove shoots so many long jumpers.

Rondo,Nash, and Rose are so good because their coaches allow them to keep the ball in his hands.

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
12:36 pm

“Due to his court vision and ability to post and draw contact, T-Mac will command double teams, which is something Marvin will never do, even if he played against 5-year olds.”

That was a good one vava. As you say, with Zaza, and Marvin on the floor, it’s 3 against 5 offensively. It’s pretty easy to see why we continue to fall behind early.

vava74

February 13th, 2012
12:43 pm

Apart from the good signings of T-Mac, Green and Ivan, the Hawks should have tried to sign Josh Howard (to start at SF), Earl Watson and Reggie Evans.

If they had amnestied Marvin, they would not be in the luxury and we would be heaps and bounds better.

And WTF is Stackhouse doing for us? Do we need to dole out half a million to have a guy who during his real playing days had no conscience as a shooter now act as an enlighten elder?

A guy that never won anything? What can he bring? What can he tell Josh that a couple of benchings would not accomplish at ZERO cost?

Does Stack tell Josh to look back to his career and see a guy who was above average on offense but never really a major factor in the success of a franchise?

WHAT IS HIS RESUME??? If he has some wisdom to dispense, why didn’t they hire him as an assistant?

KevinM

February 13th, 2012
12:46 pm

Teague is our X-factor to the success of this team. It doesn’t mean he will always have a good game, but he is key to our success and how far we go into the playoffs.
This is a big reason why Al has not been as big a loss as he should be. We are still performing at the same level with Al out. It doesn’t mean we can beat CHI, MIA or BOS without him.
We need more options other than Joe, Josh and Jeff. We are close though IMO. I watch OKC, and they can do KD, Westbrook or Harden and not have a letdown. We just need one more frontline piece to make a serious run.

And Rod, I wanted T-Mac in the starting lineup Day 1 at SF. Hey, he’s on our roster, let’s use him to the max.

Now I will give Marvin his due; he make some big shots in Orlando, and he has the ability to do it, he just doesn’t show it enough. With his size, you’d think he could get inside and get his hands on the ball any time he wanted. Its obvious he avoids contact, so we leave him at the circle waiting……..

vava74

February 13th, 2012
12:48 pm

Yeah Rod, you have been right all along on that one. I acknowledge that.

And that is why I think that when T-Mac is down or we need to rest him we could also go with Green at the SG and JJ at the SF against some teams.

That would not cut it against good teams but I am sure that against average to below average teams we would be able to jump on them, build a lead and then manage the starter’s minutes.

Vino

February 13th, 2012
12:51 pm

Tickets-$250(just one only hawk fan in my house)
Parking-$20
Custom Ivan Jersey-$120(they dont carry his jersey at phillips but will make you one?)
Hawks gear and food-$75

Hawks getting blown out at home and sitting by loud Miami fans-Priceless!

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
12:51 pm

O’brien,

“Rod,

If Horford was healthy, do you still think this team would not get out of the first round?”

No. The only way I thought we would be better is if TMac could consistently score. I’m realizing now that that’s not his game anymore. I mean think about it, we would not have advanced to the second round last year without Jamal who averaged over 20 ppg that series. Josh, Joe, Marvin, and Horford all are pretty much the same guys, so where are the 20 ppg in the playoffs going to come from. I like Teague, but I can tell you that teams will not allow his penetration in the playoffs. They are going to play off him and make him shoot jumpers. Thats why the Willie Green, and Pargo comparison that some make to Jamal are so absurd. Willie Green has never and probably won’t be able to give you that king of point production in the playoffs on a consistent basis. In the Chicago series, once Chicago figured out how to contain Jamal, we were done. It’s not even Joe that was the guy they focused on, it was Jamal. This team can not score against good defensive teams. All these blowouts we speak of are not 120 to 100 games, most of them we can’t get to 40 before the half. The final scores are irrelevant because teams have pulled their starters in the 3rd.

vava74

February 13th, 2012
12:53 pm

And I know that Josh Howard is playing like cr*p, but that’s the level of frustration I reached with Marvin.

2 TOs during a crucial stretch of the first quarter in 3 possessions (Josh air balled in between).

The popcornmachine may be very useful but sometimes it does lie and last night it was exactly what it did.

Geemack

February 13th, 2012
12:55 pm

vava74

He can tell Josh, that as long as he keep shooting those jump shots, he can forget about the All-Star game.

At one point last night the Hawks took 8 jump shots in a row with no penetration (Josh took 4).

Lebron, D-wade, Bosh, and Chalmers went to the whole during that same stretch during the 2nd quarter when they opened up the game.

Also Stack did get to the finals once. That’s more than anyone in the organization.

vava74

February 13th, 2012
12:55 pm

Rod,

“It’s not even Joe that was the guy they focused on, it was Jamal.”

There I don’t agree. Jamal had open looks and bricked them.

Additionally, Jamal hurt us so much on D that it was painful to watch. While he was on the floor CHI shot .750 from the floor.

vava74

February 13th, 2012
12:58 pm

GeeMack,

Well, you are right Stack could have a ring if it wasn’t for Stern. I did not remember.

But he did shoot without discipline so it’s not the right type of mentor for a guy like Smoove. Actually, I don’t think you can find any worse: a shooting wing.

What Josh needs as a “mentor” is a guy who worked the post.

darrell starks

February 13th, 2012
12:59 pm

O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
1:01 pm

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
1:02 pm

For all those who complain about Josh also crying to the referee’s, I’ll have you know that Josh leads our team in Free throw attempts by a wide margin. In order to get calls in this league, you have to be a good player, be aggressive, and whine and complain to the refs. I hate it, but it’s the truth. Being mute, not showing emotion, like Joe Johnson will not get you any calls. It’s good sportmanship, but it does not work. When in Rome, do as the Romans.

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
1:09 pm

Rod,

“It’s not even Joe that was the guy they focused on, it was Jamal.”

There I don’t agree. Jamal had open looks and bricked them.

Additionally, Jamal hurt us so much on D that it was painful to watch. While he was on the floor CHI shot .750 from the floor.”

Jamal was trying to guard D. Rose, and I hate to tell you this, but no point guard or 2 guard in the NBA can guard him. Iv’e seen him destroy everyone. Again, Larry should not have had him playing the point. You really are imagining all these wide open shots Jamal missed. Chicago was the best defensive team in the league last year. They focused and Jamal, sent double teams at him, and made him work on the defensive end. Great coaching. I’ll let you in on a little secret. Those wide open jumpers you are talking about tend to stop going in, when you have to run around and guard on the defensive end. It takes your legs away, and Jamal is a true Jump Shooter.

Rusty

February 13th, 2012
1:22 pm

I believe the hawks would go as JT goes,he definitely is the x factor. When LD doesn’t let him run the offense & let the ball in JJ & JS’ hands our offense will continue to stink. Of course when LD is always yanking him out of the lineup what chance does he have. LD has more than proved he is not the man to lead this team.

Rusty

February 13th, 2012
1:26 pm

Many times when he pulls JT out we are still in the game but then it quickly goes downhill. Even not counting his offense he still has a tremendous impact because he smothers the opposing pg.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
2:03 pm

Jon Leuer > Marvin Williams

Josh Smith already worked with Hakeem Olajuwon who taught him his post moves. He’s a SMALL forward.
You can’t teach height or length.

The plan was to bench Marvin for a shooting big man and move Smith to the small forward so he can block shots from behind and get out in transition. And we’d be bigger without moving SMith to perimeter on offense and he can block shots off of helpside defense.

But we need another big man and he must be able to spread for Josh Joe and Teague.
Marvin is not that guy.

We need a shooter that can play inside and out, one who is so big that he forces PFs to guard him. That way the SFs have to guard Josh Smith and at 6′8 we have offensive boards and points in the paint all day. And defending the wing leads to exciting transition dunks. Josh can get out and run on the break with JJ and Teague now instead of terrible awkward Marvin.

We need to force matchups. Jon Leuer is that inside out Ryan Anderson complementary shooter guy. Dont be fooled by his basic stats. Look at his advanced stats and watch him play. Skiles has him playing inside rather than outside but He has 3 point range. Just sitting on MIL’s bench. Give them lots of picks for LEUER.
Primarily play Josh Smith keeping balls alive inside, and Leuer outside at the PF to draw defense and he can post up switches unlike Marvin.

We need Jon Leuer. Josh Smith is our SF version of Dwight. We need a stretch PF. Jon Leuer is Our 7′0 version of Ryan Anderson just sitting on MIL’ bench.

Sidebar: most of the best scorers in the league have pretty much the same wingspan. Jon Leuer falls in there and would be a steal if we could get him. Remember when Radmanovic was hitting 5 three pointers with starters?

Leuer is taller and could give us that everynight and force big lineups as well. Any Point for point Thoughts/arguments?

Melvin

February 13th, 2012
2:12 pm

Welcome back Smith, Leuer and Bogut (SLB)…

SLB= pointguardslim….LOL

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
2:12 pm

Jamal possibly being the starter in Portland only means that Felton has been absolutely horrible. It’s a desperation move that has never worked anywhere in his career. And it won’t work in Portland either.

Jamal has a usage of almost 29%. That’s superstar usage numbers for one of the most inefficient guys in the league. Portland has fallen out of playoff contention and now even the timberwolves are breathing down their necks.

If Willie Green had 29% usage and got 30 minutes a game, he’d be a 20 ppg score easily.

darrell starks

February 13th, 2012
2:24 pm

Different look with starting five, the Hawks need toughness in the post.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

February 13th, 2012
2:25 pm

STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, IVAN, ZAZA

BENCH PARGO, GREEN, TMAC, SORRY MARVIN, DAMPIER

RESERVE HINRICH, VLAD, STACK

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

February 13th, 2012
2:28 pm

Josh will have a big advantage at the 3, specially playing in the post, not only that he can run with Teague out on the wing.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 13th, 2012
2:29 pm

Beat Up!

The Hawks got beat up, like a hurt aluminum screen door in a hurricane.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
2:30 pm

“Also, JJ gets a LOT of contact when he goes for his floaters, as Josh also does in many of his off-balance-not-quite-composed drives and – as you very frequently point out – Teague also does not get any respect from the refs.”

Teague actually drives at the rim looking for contact. I don’t complain about Teague not getting respect when he shoots floaters, because floaters don’t generally draw foul calls for anyone. I complain about Teague when he drives in for a layup, draws contact, and gets no whistle.

Joe’s drives almost always end in floaters, and Josh as you mentioned is often out of control when he drives. The way they drive inside is just not going to get foul calls. Josh does draw fouls when he pump fakes and gets his man in the air, which he usually does when he posts up and goes to the spin move or the up and under. Other players who have similar types of games don’t draw foul calls either.

Maybe that’s unfair, but complaining about it being unfair isn’t going to accomplish anything. If they want whistles, they need to do what it takes to get them.

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 13th, 2012
2:32 pm

Beat Writers!

The beat writers on this sorry azz blog, can make like MJ and – “Beat It!”

Sautee

February 13th, 2012
2:36 pm

Rod from CP: “When in Rome, do as the Romans.”

Flannery O’Conner: “When in Rome, do as you done in Milledgeville”.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
2:36 pm

northcyde here’s my position:

If Marvin Williams or McGrady Jamal Crawford could defend and rebound against the PFs we’ve faced over the years (Bosh,Garnett in 08, Boozer). And still make outside shots without taking such high usage would we not have a championship or at least an ECF appearance by now?

We need a “big” “shooter” for so many reasons and benefits, its mindboggling ASG only pursues either or.
Thats why Vlad was so big when Marv was out. Hes not a lot of size like Leuer or Anderson but he was big enough for those teams we faced. But to be elite and force positive matchups against elite teams we need Leuer to balance out Josh Smith.

I cannot recall one good offensive game Josh Smith had against Chris Bosh. Josh is not going to be able to carry us unless hes a glue guy and occasional scorer at SF. Surround him with shooters that have size to defend and hold position. Defensively if Leuer puts his hands straight up Josh is athletic enough to recover and change the shot from behind.

His help defense from the wing is overlooked. A peachtreehoops guy said that Gearon doesnt want to get a center because of moving Josh away from the basket. I can only hope he meant offfensively because we need a shooting big man to maximize our strengths against Lebron’s Heat.

Here’s what LD said about it:
You play him at some [wing], there is a high probability he is bigger than that three man, stronger than that three man.

Certainly the way to take advantage of that matchup is to post him up . We will certainly try to utilize his ability against a smaller guy.
It won’t necessarily be about us adjusting to what the other team does. We want to put the opponent in a position where they have to match up with us.”

“He has the ability to erase a lot of defensive mistakes because of his athleticism. I won’t match him up against a lightning-quick guy where he would have to defend multiple screens. But he certainly will be able to play some [wing]. At the same time, he can be a tough matchup at the [wing] as well.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
2:36 pm

“Due to his court vision and ability to post and draw contact, T-Mac will command double teams, which is something Marvin will never do, even if he played against 5-year olds.”

Just had a mental image of Marvin driving to the hoop against some kindergarteners, stumbling on his way up, getting blocked by one of them, and crushing a couple of them with his abnormally large ass as he falls down. Thanks.

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 13th, 2012
2:36 pm

Toby!

The ASKG can make like a runaway slave on Roots and, leave town! Just head North.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
2:38 pm

“Parking-$20″

Two-way MARTA fare: $5

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
2:38 pm

“If Willie Green had 29% usage and got 30 minutes a game, he’d be a 20 ppg score easily.”

He won’t ever have that because he is not that good. Guys that get those kind of usage rates, and get 30 minutes ppg, have earned it. It’s not a random thing. This is not fantasy basketball, it’s real. There is a reason when Jamal goes to teams, coaches tend to to try to get him on the floor. It’s because he is better than their other options. That is why he got 10 million a year. He proved himself, and was rewarded. He is not like Marvin Williams, and was just given a contract for nothing, he earned it.

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 13th, 2012
2:38 pm

Practice?

Larry Drew, what does your team do in practice – walk through it?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
2:40 pm

“Additionally, Jamal hurt us so much on D that it was painful to watch. While he was on the floor CHI shot .750 from the floor.”

I will never argue that Jamal is a horrendous defender, but a lot of this could have been avoided if LD didn’t make him guard Rose, and instead put him on Brewer or Bogans or whatever other offensive non-threat was playing SG for them.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
2:42 pm

” If you sit down and study the Hawks “offensive system” they take the ball out of Teague’s hands too early. As soon as he crosses half court he is either passing to Smoove or Zaza 20 feet out. The next pass is to Joe and he dribbles until the shot clock dies down or shoots a long jumper.”

Many teams that run this type of high post offense have the big guy (Josh or Zaza in this case) hand it back to the point guard as he takes the handoff and drives inside. The Hawks never do this, even though that would be an ideal way to utilize Teague’s skills.

Not to mention this team never runs pick and rolls with Teague, which is just stupid.

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 13th, 2012
2:44 pm

Stanky Leg!

What kind of dance were the Hawks doing last night? When your idea of defense is to kick the ball? That means you’re not moving your hips and, are doing the “stanky leg”. Put a body on somebody!

That’s all I got.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
2:45 pm

“When in Rome, do as the Romans.”

But hopefully for the love of God don’t go on a f-cking Roman Holiday.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
2:48 pm

darrell starks said:
“Josh will have a big advantage at the 3, specially playing in the post, not only that he can run with Teague out on the wing.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!”
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Yeah that is the intent but the problem is halfcourt.
Out of those 3, Josh Smith + Ivan Johnson + Pachulia.

There is no spacing and Josh might have to step outside and shoot 3s to let Ivan go to work.

Jon Leuer + Josh Smith (sf)
Ryan Anderson + Dwight Howard (c)
Dirk Nowitzki + Shawn Marion (sf)

On that fast break sometimes you have nothing and you need a trailer. Ivan Johnson or Dirk/Ryan/Leuer trailing? Thats why we need that trade.

A fast break would be nasty only if you have a trailer. Would have loved to see Josh Smith vs Lebron on the break.

Maybe Ivan+Pachulia+Smith could work but offense sets would need to change. And Id rather have a traditional stretch 4 to Smith’s power 3.

peanut butter+jelly
Smith/Marion= Power-3
Dirk/Leuer/Anderson= STRETCH-4

Yes I can still remember Mark Cuban pursuing Josh Smith but settling for the lesser power 3, in Shawn Marion. Who are we pursuing? Cuz Marvin Williams can hit as many shots as he wants against Pacers or whatever but then there’s the games where coaches tell Jrue Holiday and Mike Miller and Jodie Meeks can guard him and that remind us he has no size on the boards or posting up.

76ers want Iguodala to guard Joe Johnson? Fine. Can anyone tell me with a straight face that Jodie Meeks can guard Josh Smith at the 3????

Go big Gearon. Make a trade for a STRETCH big man.

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
2:55 pm

Pointguardslim, you have it all wrong.

the last thing we need on this team is another PF jumpshooter like Leuer. What the Hawks need is a back to the basket low post scorer who maybe can draw a foul and get to the line. Keep that Jon Leuer propaganda in Wisconsin. If that dude was so good, the Bucks would be a much better team. He’s the last type of player we need on the Hawks.

This team can’t get easy baskets to save their life. So its either bring in some people who can do it, or make the commitment Woody made in 2009 – 10 and have people crashing the offensive boards.

Without Horford, Josh Smith is basically forced to be our “board warrior” on a nightly basis. But he can’t do it by himself. We need a legit inside grinder, and we just don’t have that. The closest we have to that is Zaza, and that’s not enough.

O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
2:57 pm

Rod,

I think Jamal is a good bench player when used effectively. But with the Hawks coaching staff, that was not going to happen. He is currently shooting 38% from the field, 32% from 3. Those are not efficient numbers.

There are 4 teams in the East I think the Hawks will have trouble with in the playoffs (even with a healthy Horford). Bulls, Heat, Sixers, and Boston. And even with Jamal, we would have a tough time beating those guys.

But as long as we finish no worse than 5th, I think we can beat any of the other East playoff teams without Jamal. Horford getting hurt will definitely make it tough however.

O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
2:59 pm

Najeh,

JJ does not lean in/initiate contact, and also, he does not complain to the refs. Those 2 factors (imo) make it easy for refs to ignore some of those times when he does get fouled.

And with his inability to get to the line, I think his numbers will continue to decline as he gets older.

kwooden

February 13th, 2012
3:08 pm

Najeh is in on fire!
The Roman performance made no sense to me either!

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
3:10 pm

Najeh, so who is going to guard Rose? JJ? Then people will be complaining how JJ always have to guard PGs.

Just watch the blazers – warriors game on ESPN on Wednesday night. Jamal will get his 15 points on 6 – 17 shooting, but get absolutely get lit up by Steph Curry or Monta Ellis.

The Hawks are a much better team as a multiple player bench scoring unit, than a one man bench scoring unit. Drew just have to decide which guys are helping him the most. Last night, poor defense, poor rebounding, and lack of shotmaking did us in. Coaching rotations didn’t help either.

Astro Joe

February 13th, 2012
3:12 pm

So instigating contact is better for your aging body than avoiding contact?

I don’t kn ow if Mario Chalmers is an MIP candidate, he certainly lights up the Hawks routinely.

Adding a facilitator to the starting line-up like TMac isn’t a bad idea, especially if he it allows Teague to be more of a scorer and less of a facilitator (play to his strength). But I’d be worried about TMac’s ability to return to the floor after a rest in the 2nd half. The mind might be willing but I’m not sure that his body is able. Willie at SG and Joe at SF may be an option that can actually happen more consistently.

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
3:15 pm

“I think Jamal is a good bench player when used effectively. But with the Hawks coaching staff, that was not going to happen. He is currently shooting 38% from the field, 32% from 3. Those are not efficient numbers.

There are 4 teams in the East I think the Hawks will have trouble with in the playoffs (even with a healthy Horford). Bulls, Heat, Sixers, and Boston. And even with Jamal, we would have a tough time beating those guys.”

I think sometimes some guys get too caught up in the numbers. Jamal is not efficient is not the point. The point is he can score, he has to be accounted for, and he can take his man off the dribble and create. Marvin is very efficient, but it means nothing because, if you really need a basket, he can’t score ,and he can’t create anything. He is only good for hittting the occasional wide open jump shot. If Jamal got the looks that Marvin gets, he would be efficient also, but he won’t because teams put their better defenders on him. In the role he plays now, teams pretty much focus their total defense effort around stopping him when he comes off the bench. If he is used correctly, and put on the floor with guys who can score as well, his efficiency will go up. If he is used as a 1 man band and the defense is allowed to focus on stopping him, his efficiency will drop.

The Hawks with Horford will not beat Indiana, or the Knicks in a 7 game series either. I felt that way even before the Knicks started playing Lin. Amare and Melo, are not stars who can’t score in the playoffs like Joe Johnson is. The Knicks would simply outscore us. Now that they have a point guard, I really don’t think we could beat them.

Rusty

February 13th, 2012
3:16 pm

The coaching is down right horrible.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
3:19 pm

“The Hawks are a much better team as a multiple player bench scoring unit, than a one man bench scoring unit. ”

You are absolutely right about this, but this is not the same as saying that Willie Green is as good as Jamal. If the Hawks had their current bench but had Jamal instead of Willie Green, they would be better because Jamal does what Willie Green does better than Willie Green.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
3:20 pm

And I know the Hawks didn’t have much of a chance of signing Jamal considering his salary demands and the Hawks’ unwillingness to go over the tax. I’m just saying, forgetting about salaries and looking at it purely from an on the court perspective, the Hawks’ current bench plus Jamal minus Willie Green would be better than it is now.

KevinM

February 13th, 2012
3:21 pm

AJ, I was pining for Chalmers once the strike ended as the Heat were not committing to him like they should have. He makes clutch shots for them and he would have fit well in our backcourt. He reminds me of being a glue guy who fits in nicely with other players.

Our GM has no clue who Mario Chalmers is though.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
3:30 pm

Rusty

February 13th, 2012
3:31 pm

After watching on sports south,watched on espn this team don’t really have any offensive plan.magic Johnson said after game the hawks have a very poor game plan. Looked like JJ & JS was running around with blind folds on.

Astro Joe

February 13th, 2012
3:33 pm

Kevin, we didn’t have the cap space to sign Chalmers. And no GM shares with the media/fan base every player he has interest in signing.

Sund was given a Dollar Tree budget to fill out the roster, don’t be mad if a Macy’s player signed with another team.

Grandad

February 13th, 2012
3:33 pm

G-dad’s Trade o’ the Day … *[reposted] – from early this morn

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=83j3xfc

My Best & most controversial Trade -Ever- !

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
3:33 pm

“The Hawks are a much better team as a multiple player bench scoring unit, than a one man bench scoring unit. ”

We don’t and won’t know this until the playoffs. We still get blown out by good teams now, and we have not won a playoff series yet as a multiple bench scoring unit. What happens if we lose in the first round this year, will you still feel that way?

Grandad

February 13th, 2012
3:34 pm

Thought some o’ yawl may have missed it.

Sautee

February 13th, 2012
3:34 pm

“I’m just saying, forgetting about salaries and looking at it purely from an on the court perspective, the Hawks’ current bench plus Jamal minus Willie Green would be better than it is now.”

I would certainly agree with one caveat: No point guard minutes for Jamal. But I don’t trust LD to use him that way, so I guess it’s all moot.

Grandad

February 13th, 2012
3:36 pm

Rusty:

They have a plan;
that’s on the players for not executing the fundamentals.

Grandad

February 13th, 2012
3:38 pm

Rusty

Fundamentals 101:

Screening & Cutting

As an analyst; Magic is a moron.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
3:39 pm

Love my fellow Hawks fans but damn. Northcyde here’s what you said:

“the last thing we need on this team is another PF jumpshooter *like Leuer*. What the Hawks need is a *back to the basket low post scorer* who maybe can draw a foul and get to the line. Keep that Jon Leuer propaganda in Wisconsin.”

Now that video is showing how easy he can score with his back to the basket over a 7 footer in Gortat. You think Doug Collins can pull a Marvin and put Jodie Meeks on him? Or Spoelstra stick Mike Miller on him for a rest?

Northcyde I think you got *like Leuer* mixed up with Vlad bcuz he’s white. Forget the Political correctness, I’m black and used to do it all the time.

There’s Leuer scoring with his back to the basket. He can stretch to range. He is not Vlad. ANd if Jeremey Lin proved anything its that size matters. He’s 6′3 and average athletically.

There’s Leuer scoring with his back to the basket. I’m going to ignore you saying we have got a stretch PF like Leuer bcuz Vlad is a small forward, just like Marvin, plays small, less power, less size, no post game.

Now I did the hard work scouting. Do you want the 7′0 PF who can shoot defend and force big lineups or not?

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
3:41 pm

Wrong najeh. Because the history of Jamal Crawford has seen him have to dominate the ball in order for him to score. He isn’t a “system player”. He isnt a catch and shoot guy. He’s a freelancer.

Jamal isn’t going to sit there and let a guy like Pargo run the team, just like Teague didn’t run it while playing with Jamal last year. Willie is a better catch and shoot guy. He’s a better 3 point shooter. He takes better shots. The only thing that Jamal does better is make difficult shots. And half of those shots are made more difficult by Jamal himself.

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

February 13th, 2012
3:41 pm

“Thought some o’ yawl may have missed it.”

Afraid we didn’t “ketch” on?

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
3:44 pm

Rod, we were getting blown out by bad teams last year, and Jamal didn’t help one bit in those games.

honest_abe

February 13th, 2012
3:49 pm

“Sund was given a Dollar Tree budget to fill out the roster, don’t be mad if a Macy’s player signed with another team”

tmac’s gotta be considered at least “marshals” heh

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
3:51 pm

Sautee,

“I would certainly agree with one caveat: No point guard minutes for Jamal. But I don’t trust LD to use him that way, so I guess it’s all moot.”

LD did not have the options he had last year. He was not playing Teague last year for whatever reason. This year Teague starts, and Kirk or Pargo backup the point. He would not have had to use Jamal that way. That’s not saying that he would have done that, but his options would be different.

joeygt1

February 13th, 2012
3:52 pm

what do yall think of a josh smith/kirk hinrick plus 2nd round pic for pao gasol and a trade exception?

would that work?

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
4:02 pm

northcyde if you watched the video, isn’t that what you said we need?
“What the Hawks need is a back to the basket low post scorer who maybe can draw a foul and get to the line.”

That necessarily mean a star player. It means if you stick Mike Miller on my 7 foot player we can run offense thru him and he’ll shoot over you all day.

Correct? U did watch the linked vid right?

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
4:10 pm

“Rod, we were getting blown out by bad teams last year, and Jamal didn’t help one bit in those games.”

What part of Jamal is the reason we got out of the first round last year, and won game 1 of the Chicago series don’t you understand? No Jamal, we don’t beat Orlando. Don’t blame Jamal, blame coaching. The same things are happening without him, so obviously it’s coaching.

O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
4:13 pm

northcyde,

Rod, we were getting blown out by bad teams last year, and Jamal didn’t help one bit in those games..

We got blown out by good teams last year, and Jamal did nothing. A walk down memory lane.

Losing to Philly by 34. Jamal was 3-8, 6 points, with a +/- of -18 in 22 mins.
Lost to Bulls by 33. Jamal was 1-4, 2 pts, with a -12 in 26 minutes
Lost to Miami by 21. Jamal was 0-4, 0 points with a -26 in 24 minutes.

Jamal has his issues against good teams just like the rest of the Hawks do.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
4:18 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpv1COmZZOs

In the first clip, Leuer catches the ball with his back to the basket, waits for his teammate who made the entry pass to clear out, then converts a turnaround jumper. Since defenders are aware of the threat of Leuer’s shot, he uses it as a decoy to keep his defender guessing.
In the second clip, Leuer receives the ball, faces up, and fakes a shot to freeze the defender. This creates enough space for Leuer to knock down an outside shot. As Leuer gains experience, that pump fake will help him beat his man and attack the rim, which will make him a more efficient offensive player.

Leuer can power up over smaller players. So instead of this:

Josh vs taller guy altering his jumper and post ups
Iguodala vs Joe Johnson
Meeks vs Marvin Williams

you now have

Josh vs smaller Iguodala
Meeks vs Joe Johnson
Brand vs stretch Power player in Jon Leuer

Taking out Marvin for Leuer will give us multiple post up threats against Philly. And now BOTH Joe+Josh has more room to operate and against smaller players.

Thats why analysts laugh at the Hawks. They still havent fixed the team for years and remain committed to both small ball and poor shooting. As if its an either or proposition.

Kobe cant guard Joe Johnson or Josh Smith on the wing at his age but because of poor roster construction.

Tomorrow we’ll see:

* Kobe rests guarding Marvin
* Metta World Peace muscling and flexing on Joe Johnson
* Pau Gasol size bothering Smith on both ends.

I doubt Artest can guard Josh Smith 1 on 1 or keep him off the boards. Pachulia vs Bynum I love. And I know Leuer would get some 3s and hit some 3 pt jumpers on Gasol if we took Marvin out and got Leuer.

joeygt1

February 13th, 2012
4:19 pm

again,what do yall think of a josh smith/kirk hinrick plus 2nd round pic for pao gasol and a trade exception?

would that work?

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
4:19 pm

Jamal is just as bad as Marvin. A couple more points, more ball stopping “usage” all with less defensive rebounding and physicality than Marvin.

Smith must move to small forward or this team will always have issues.

O'Brien

February 13th, 2012
4:21 pm

Rod,

Let’s not forget that Kirk played very good defense on Jameer in the Orlando series, so that helped us out a lot too.

And where was Jamal 2 years ago when Orlando swept us in record fashion? Game 1? 1-11 in 34 minutes of PT. 5 pts. Game 4: He went 5-15 in 18 minutes.

Game 2 and 3, he did have good games. Which is what Jamal does. He will have 2 terrible games when he shoots you out of it, but then will have 2 good games where he helps you win it. Willie Green is not as good as Jamal when Jamal is hot. But he is not as bad as Jamal when Jamal is cold.

Jamal for $5 mil, or our bench (Pargo, Willie Green, Vlad, T-Mac) for $5 mil. I’ll take the unit we have now. Now if we could have afforded to keep Jamal and sign at least 2 of those guys, then I would have been ok with keeping Jamal.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
4:23 pm

Josh Smith and Kirk Hinrich’s expiring to Los Angeles… I see how it helps LA…Murphy sucks but they might get him some open looks with all that athleticism.

Kirk Hinrich
Kobe Bryant
Josh Smith @ sf (power 3)
Troy Murphy @ pf (perimeter 4)
Dwight Howard/Bynum

SteveW

February 13th, 2012
4:26 pm

I just wish I could remember which one of you geniuses kept saying we should get Jeremy Lin on the bench. Just Joe maybe? Can’t remember who, but one of you guys was saying it, and you look like a great basketball mind right now.

Ra'mon

February 13th, 2012
4:28 pm

Guys, here’s the deal the Hawks need to be looking at. And on paper,it seems like a bad deal. But in real life its a good deal.

The Hawks get:
John Salmons
JJ Hickson
J Thompshon

The Kings get:
Marvin Williams
Kirk Hinrich
2nd round pick

The Kings would do this to get from under Salmons’ long term contract, and they get even more flexibility with Kirk’s expiring contract, when his contract is up, to sign Evans long term. And they’re willing to trade Thompson, because with their lottery pick, they can get a true big body to go beside Cousins in this deep draft.

The Hawks would do it, because Salmon’s deal is just one season longer than Marvin. And we know that Salmon has the capability to get to the free throw line in bunches, in a half court set. And with Hickson (who the Kings rarely play) you get another back up big on the bench who can play three positions. And in Thompson, you get your back up power forward/center while Al is injured.

Another deal I would be willing to do, though I know many of you would hate is:

The Hawks Get:
D. Cousins
2012 1st Round pick

The Kings Get:
Al Horford
2 2nd Round picks

I would do this deal, because you KNOW the Kings will have a top 6 pick in this year’s draft. And there are at least 3-4 true BIGS in this draft that will be selected in the lottery. Very rarely will you ever have a superstar if you don’t draft in the top 5 picks. True Miami got Lebron and Bosh, but they got them after they had already drafted and groomed Wade.

And I know many of you would say, why not do Josh instead. But the Kings wouldn’t do that deal because Josh isn’t locked into a long term contract like Horford is. And Cousins is already on bad ground with the Kings. But he Rasheed was on bad ground in Washington, before being traded to Portland, where he started to dominate.

And then after that deal, I would get on the phone with the Lakers, and see if they would take Josh and Kirk for Pau Gasol. You new line up of this season would be:

Teague – Joe – Marvin – Gasol – Cousins, with the same bench.

And next season you would replace Marvin in the starting lineup with your draft pick (hopefully someone like Perry Jones or Kidd-Gilchrist) that you had. So with in 1-2 seasons you will be competing for championships for the next 5-6 seasons.

SteveW

February 13th, 2012
4:29 pm

And I know most of you guys think Dampier is gargage, he got beat out by Joel Anthony etc. – But if the man is healthy and in shape, he can help this team 10-15 minutes a nite, and is better than Jason Collins in almost everyway.

SteveW

February 13th, 2012
4:31 pm

And the last 6-8 pages of blogging are the most intelligent and well thought out blogs for the most part that I have ever seen on this site that I can remember – almost everybody is on fire.

SteveW

February 13th, 2012
4:33 pm

On Jeremy Lin – give him 30 games and get back to me. He comes in fresh while everybody else is dog tired on this schedule, and plays very hard for 5 games. Let’s see how he handles the grind before we crown the kid. But he has put on quite a show.

Ra'mon

February 13th, 2012
4:37 pm

Here is what I say about Josh and Al, if you want to make a huge move. And that is simply trade them BOTH.

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
4:46 pm

What part of 3 – 19 fg in the final 2 games vs the Bulls and some of the worst in the clutch stats in the league last year don’t YOU understand?

We don’t need some every 4th game hero type shooting. We need consistency.

Astro Joe

February 13th, 2012
4:51 pm

In two years when Jamal is shooting 35% from the field (close to his current shooting performance) we can bring him back on a TMAc contract.

abe, can we settle on Target?

Ra’mon, Salmons has been nothing short of awful the last two seasons. I know, because I made the mistake of drafting him to my fantasy team last year and stuck with him far too long. Hawks don’t need to go from one under-performing SF to another with a longer contract.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
4:52 pm

“the history of Jamal Crawford has seen him have to dominate the ball in order for him to score. He isn’t a “system player”. He isnt a catch and shoot guy. He’s a freelancer.”

The history of Jamal Crawford also said that his ball domination was the reason he never made the playoffs before he came to the Hawks. Placed in the right situation, that history was rewritten.

I also disagree that he can’t catch and shoot. He was really good at catching and shooting coming off screens last year. Of course, since the Hawks didn’t have a real point guard until the second round of the playoffs, they couldn’t really take advantage of this very much.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
4:55 pm

“again,what do yall think of a josh smith/kirk hinrick plus 2nd round pic for pao gasol and a trade exception?

would that work?”

1) The Lakers’ trade exception is not big enough to make this work.

2) Gasol is a better player than Josh and would make the Hawks’ offense better, but would make the Hawks’ defense significantly worse and wouldn’t propel them ahead of Miami or Chicago.

doc

February 13th, 2012
4:55 pm

yeah, now instead of jamal shooting those numbers we saw a collective effort by josh, jj, marvin and teague last night going 3 for 28 during the deciding time of the game last night. durn that was an awful team showing last night by themselves without jamal within a coastline from here.

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
4:57 pm

So now we’re going to YouTube to see what people can do? Well hell, here’s Marvin Williams then

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FYC27KH9EaA

Ra'mon

February 13th, 2012
5:01 pm

AJ, If Hickson and Thompson is attached with him, it will work. The fact remains we’ve still seen what Salmons is capable of doing. And we’re still hoping we can find something Marvin can do at a consistent level.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
5:03 pm

Leuer’s Mom, let me ask you one question. Suppose the Hawks traded a 2nd round pick for your son — in other words, they acquired him without giving up anyone on the current roster. What do you think this team’s ceiling would be?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
5:04 pm

Here is the top comment from that Marvin video northcyde linked:

I WANNA BUTT F-CK MARVIN he got a nice ass
TJ271992 3 months ago

Enough said.

SteveW

February 13th, 2012
5:06 pm

Josh has been playing awesome for the most part. The best of his career maybe in the overall game.

With that said, I’m beginning to think that there is no way ATL management is bringing Al back to play C, especially after that horrible injury. And with Josh’s contract situation, I think somebody is going to go. They are either going to trade Josh, and get/draft a C, and move Al to PF full time, with ZaZa as back up. Or they’re going to try and move Al, even after that injury, re-sign Josh, and try to improve the team with players and/or picks by moving Al.

Or they may decide to keep both, who really knows?

I would like to see a ZaZa, Al, Josh frontline, and see how that works, and bring Marvin off the bench. Then you could keep both.

But Al may come back and play Big even after the injury – but I’m just not seeing it.

Astro Joe

February 13th, 2012
5:10 pm

The legendary Jamal Crawford averaged less than 12 against Orlando, Miami and Chicago during the last regular season. But he did average a whopping 15 against the Celtics.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/splits/_/id/165/year/2011/jamal-crawford

Astro Joe

February 13th, 2012
5:15 pm

Ra’mon, we know what he was capable of doing. There is absolutely no evidence that he can be as effective as Marvin moving forward.

I’d like to see the Hawks make some big moves in the off-season, Trading Hinrich or Marvin won’t do anything but possibly get us one more playoff win this season and likely leave us with less assets to improve in the summer. I don’t want to seee anymore incremental trades, at some point, we need something a little more daring that can’t be achieved with the names Hinrich or Williams in the headline of the trade story.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
5:16 pm

northcyde losing a little respect for you man. Did I post a season mix of highlight dunks?

You asked for a post up player. I posted the excerpts from grantland.com and the clips.

You said
“What the Hawks need is a back to the basket low post scorer who maybe can draw a foul and get to the line.”

Now the guy is 7′0 that what I showed you? That does not mean you necessarily go to “Leuer” in the post.

We get 2 or 3 post up players now.

Josh Smith vs Ron Artest (Jon Leuer outside, Joe Johnson outside)
Joe Johnson vs Kobe Bryant

Pau Gasol, Kobe Bryant, Ron Artest

It becomes Pick your poison on switches.
If Pau Gasol wants to guard Josh Smith fine then. Go to another post up matchup. Kobe or Ron Artest vs 7 footer in the post.

As for the trades (Gooden+Leuer) for Marvin Williams+pick. I dont think Milwaukee is giving up a local player who exceeded expectations for another 2nd round pick alone.
What they’re going to strike gold twice?

Ra'mon

February 13th, 2012
5:19 pm

AJ, remember what LAL gave up to get Gasol? lol. Or what the Hawks gave up to get Bibby (and Bibby was great for the team BEFORE the contract extension). I do think you can change some things by trading those two.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
5:20 pm

Najeh Davenpoop just to make sure we’re on the same page, the trade would be Gooden+Leuer for Hinrich or Marvin.

So this would be the new team.

Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Jon Leuer, Pachulia
Pargo, McGrady, Radmanovic, Ivan Johnson, Gooden + (only 1 of Marvin/Hinrich)

I know that floor is ECF especially if Horford comes back. did u hear Rose is seeing a back specialist? You think Deng can guard Smith?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 13th, 2012
5:23 pm

“You think Deng can guard Smith?”

You think Leuer can guard Bosh?

If the floor is the ECF, you are basically saying they can beat any team in the conference, because there’s a good chance they will play Miami in round 2.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
5:23 pm

Najeh Davenpoop just to make sure we’re on the same page, the trade would be Gooden+Leuer for Hinrich or Marvin.

So this would be the new team.

Jeff Teague,Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Jon Leuer, Pachulia
Pargo, McGrady, Radmanovic, Ivan Johnson, Gooden + (only 1 of Marvin/Hinrich)

I know that floor is ECF especially if Horford comes back. did u hear Rose is seeing a back specialist? You think Deng can guard Smith?

Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Jon Leuer gives us size on the boards, post ups at 3 positions and spacing to operate

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 13th, 2012
5:31 pm

Pigs in A Blanket!

“Joe needs help, Osh and Marvin are not scorers…..Duh……………” -slimjr-
_____________

Slimjr baby, actually Josh IS a scorer … He is NOT a shooter. Shooters score, see Ray Allen. I have no idea what Marvin is?

Astro Joe

February 13th, 2012
5:31 pm

Ra’mon, I am of the very strong opinion that as long as Joe, Josh and Al are our top 3 players, that our ceiling remains the same and we have spent the past 3 years bumping our head against that ceiling. And the only way to get a player better than one of those 3 is by trading one of those 3. Anything else, IMO, is akin to hiring a 6-year lead assistant to be the new head coach.

flash

February 13th, 2012
5:51 pm

Ra’mon, Thompson, Salmons(the ghost) and Hickson do not make the hawks any better. No way the Kings trade Cousins (let alone 1st rd pick) for Horford and two seconds.

Rod from College Park

February 13th, 2012
5:55 pm

O’Brien,

“Let’s not forget that Kirk played very good defense on Jameer in the Orlando series, so that helped us out a lot too.”

Kirk did not win the series for us, Jamal did bottom line. He averaged 20.5 points, leading the team in scoring, and led the team in free throw attempts. We have never been out of the first round with this group except for when we played that up and coming Milwaukee team, who we barely got by, and then proceded to get swept in the second round.

“And where was Jamal 2 years ago when Orlando swept us in record fashion? Game 1? 1-11 in 34 minutes of PT. 5 pts. Game 4: He went 5-15 in 18 minutes.”

An act of God could not have helped us in that series. We were totally outcoached, and out manned.

“Jamal for $5 mil, or our bench (Pargo, Willie Green, Vlad, T-Mac) for $5 mil. I’ll take the unit we have now. Now if we could have afforded to keep Jamal and sign at least 2 of those guys, then I would have been ok with keeping Jamal.”

You can have this unit. You will see how much you see these guys in the playoffs. You could have signed Jamal, and not had (Pargo, Willie Green, Vlad and Stackhouse), and we would be a much better team. You still could have signed TMac. Again, I’m one who advocating signing Pargo and Willie Green, but those 4 guys don’t add up to what Jamal gives you. Two of them don’t even get any time at all.

pointguardslim

February 13th, 2012
5:55 pm

Yes, I think Leuer can guard Bosh? Being the same size helps. There was 1 blow-by and a foul but for the most part Bosh was staying outside and definitely not backdooring and alley ooping and dominating the boards inside.

We get size and automatic outside shooting and an occasional post up option (automatic on switches) in one player. If the floor is the ECF, I am saying they can beat any team in the conference, because there’s a good chance they will play Miami in round 2.

Leuer can do anything Marvin can do but is 7 feet tall and sad enough a little bit quicker. Are you saying that if Marvin was a 7 foot tall PF with inside game we would not be in the ECF?

Are you kidding me? No more getting raped on boards, no more switches, Josh swats from behind, extra offensive tip outs. Everything changes.

Then if we get Horford back??
—–
Here’s a little of Leuer defense on Bosh, as for offense keep in mind Josh would be primarily playing inside and Leuer stands outside and trails for jumpers (unless a switch happens of course) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccRBvsKZDrc

flash

February 13th, 2012
5:57 pm

I think both teams (Hawks-Warriors) would do a K. Hinrich+M. Williams for M. Ellis and E. Udoh. Warriors get an expiring Hinrich and tank to keep their #7 pick and Hawks get another scorer to go with J. Johnson and move him to the three, and Udoh can be in the rotation with Z. Pachulia. Thoughts?

hawkfan

February 13th, 2012
6:23 pm

idk, i kind of have mixed feelings even charles always says “you are what your record is” so is the hawks an 18-10 team or not? because if you look at last night it doesn’t show but if you look at magic or pacers game it does, or maybe we are the outlier

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 13th, 2012
6:44 pm

This is just a front office full of a bunch of defiant arrogant losers.

Mediocre coaching

Roster is full of losers too

MAKE A TRADE

QUIT STARTING MARVIN

crazy_88

February 13th, 2012
7:00 pm

What’s the point of having Tracy on the team If LD is only going to play him for 9 freaking minutes ? In Detroit he played 72 games, 35 of which he started and averaged 30 minutes per game and posted 15pts/4 reb/5 dimes on 44% shooting..when he came off the bench he was averaging 20 + minutes per game.

With the Hawks…LD plays him for 9 minutes? It kills me that LD talks about change but yet he does absolutely NOTHING ?? Marvin Williams is allowed to stay out on the court when he is bricking shot after shot and can’t even convert easy layups…but yet Tracy goes 1-4 in the first half and he doesn’t see the court the rest of the game ?

When is LD going to realize that Tracy is their best ” playmaker ” and that him Josh and Joe actually play better than the aforementioned Marvin Williams ?

Is Marvin Williams LD’s love child or something ? Because its obvious that Marvin is not earning his minutes as a starting SF on this team or any team for that matter. Marvin rebounds well every once in awhile..but do this team really need a 6′9 SF who is allergic to taking the ball into the paint with no mid range game ????

Over time

February 13th, 2012
7:15 pm

A lot of you guys have been complaining about how dumb Teague is saying things like he may be the dumbest guard in history and he hasnt got a clue and how hes the weak link in the line. Others of you have been saying that its sad the way teague turned out and if he had stayed in school longer how he may have learned to run an offense and become a leader.

Well you are both right.

For those of you who have been saying teague is dumber than Al, I say prove it. While it true that they both are on the low IQ side neither is functional retarded. To say that Teague is Dumber than Al Is just not fair.

They are about the same level of dumb. Neither is dumber than the other. Unless you count Al’s attitude then you have Al by default dumber because he is unwilling coupled with dumb.

So In conclusion, there you have it. Al Hoford and Jeff Teague.

Dumb and Dumber.

You make the call.

Bulripple

February 13th, 2012
7:18 pm

“But Al may come back and play Big even after the injury”

He wasnt playing Big before the injury now why would he improve after when he will be out of shape and sync?

Slick Willy

February 13th, 2012
7:45 pm

I think the hawks will surprise everyone with a major move before the deadline. You heard it here first.

Sautee

February 13th, 2012
7:46 pm

Hey T-s,

Still sticking to your story that MC reported a locker room fight?

Rusty

February 13th, 2012
7:51 pm

The only one who is dumb here is the coach & he is very dumb.

Admiral Ackbar

February 13th, 2012
7:55 pm

Smith.Lueur.Bogut is back folks!

ITS A TRAP!!!!

Now explain to us why you’ve been gone all this time?

Admiral Ackbar

February 13th, 2012
8:00 pm

Man, this is Ben Wallace’s last season. Couldn’t we have given a second round pick for him or something… He would help us HUGE, even though he is old.

ITS A TRAP!!!

Bad News

February 13th, 2012
8:03 pm

I dont think either of them are all that dumb. Its not there jobs to think. The coach is suppose to think for them.

Rusty

February 13th, 2012
8:08 pm

Grandad. If the hawks have a game plan I don’t see it.what I see is jj dribbling ,verybody taking jumpshots& poor ball movement.opposing teams seem to get a lot more easy shots than we get. If there is a plan & the players aren’t doing it then it’s still on the coach.I constantly see Josh by the foul line,jj on the outside trying to get off a floater with 3people.jj handles the ball much more than jt or anyone else. Why is magic so dumb when he was one of the greatest players ever,what makes you smarter than him?

High-sider

February 13th, 2012
8:21 pm

pointguardslim,

Are you “Smith.Leuer.Bogut”? Your posts read [sound] very familiar. LOL

Melvin

February 13th, 2012
8:25 pm

I’m disappointed that we have not reach 1000 posts after this blog has been open for two days….

Bad News

February 13th, 2012
8:27 pm

Saying Al is Dumber than teague is like saying George Bush senior is dumber than George Bush Junior. You pretty much have the same thing.

Dumb and Dumber.

Subtlety

February 13th, 2012
9:02 pm

“I dont think either of them are all that dumb. Its not there jobs to think. ”

There, their, they’re. It’s got to be one of them. Dumb and dumber, eh? I guess one out of three isn’t bad there, troll. Too bad (or should I say to bad) it’s the wrong one. Posting about Horford again? Why am I not surprised. Are you going to use the Einstein quote again? You know which one I mean, The one that says that posting the same thing for 3 straight years, and expecting a different result is insane. But you already know that part. Now you’ll likely steal this handle and post some nonsense. Man, yo’ crazy. Fo’ real.

High-sider

February 13th, 2012
9:09 pm

O’Brien, northcyde and vava74 [Read this RCP (Rod from College Park)],

“I think Jamal is a good bench player when used effectively. But with the Hawks coaching staff, that was not going to happen. He is currently shooting 38% from the field, 32% from 3. Those are not efficient numbers.” – O’Brien

“Just watch the blazers – warriors game on ESPN on Wednesday night. Jamal will get his 15 points on 6 – 17 shooting, but get absolutely get lit up by Steph Curry or Monta Ellis.” – northcyde

I will accept the fact and argument that Jamal Crawford [on average] is not an efficient scorer. Jamal is the type of player, however, who can shoot 8-20 [40%] from the field, shoot 2-7 [28%-29%] from [beyond] the 3pt. arc and make 6-6 [100%] free throws from the FT line thereby scoring 24 points.

On the other hand, Marvin Williams is the type of player who can shoot 3-5 [60%] from the field, shoot 1-2 [50%] from [beyond] the 3pt. arc and make 2-2 [100%] free throws from the FT line thereby scoring nine [9] points.

I’ll take the guy scoring 24 points on 40% shooting [Jamal] over the guy scoring nine [9] points on 60% shooting [Marvin] everyday of the week. You do the math.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 13th, 2012
9:40 pm

High-sider

February 13th, 2012
10:38 pm

O’Brien, pointguardslim, northcyde and vava74 [Read this RCP (Rod from College Park)],

“And where was Jamal 2 years ago when Orlando swept us in record fashion? Game 1? 1-11 in 34 minutes of PT. 5 pts. Game 4: He went 5-15 in 18 minutes.

Game 2 and 3, he did have good games. Which is what Jamal does. He will have 2 terrible games when he shoots you out of it, but then will have 2 good games where he helps you win it. Willie Green is not as good as Jamal when Jamal is hot. But he is not as bad as Jamal when Jamal is cold.” – O’Brien

“Jamal is just as bad as Marvin. A couple more points, more ball stopping “usage” all with less defensive rebounding and physicality than Marvin.” – pointguardslim

2010 Eastern Conference Semi-Finals: Atlanta vs. Orlando

Point Totals

Game 1 Game 2 Game 3 Game 4 Average

Jamal Crawford 5pts. 23pts. 22pts. 18pts. 17ppg
Joe Johnson 10pts. 19pts. 8pts. 14pts. 12.75ppg
Marvin Williams 8pts. 9pts. 6pts. 2pts. 6.25ppg

When the afore-mentioned series was completed, Joe Johnson, after having a disappointing second-round playoff performance in 2010 and who also had unkind words for the Atlanta Hawks’ fans, received a maximum contract offer of six years worth $119 million up to $123.7 million. After an atrocious playoff performance for 2010, Marvin Williams was allowed to start the following season without the threat of competing for his starting position because the Hawks inexplicably traded their 2010 first round draft pick, a small forward [Damian James], for another 2010 first round draft pick, a shooting guard [Jordan Crawford]. After having been the most consistent scorer for the Hawks in the playoffs for 2010 while being named Sixth-Man of the Year for 2010, Jamal Crawford was unappreciated and unrewarded by Hawks’ management when he was not offered a contract extension. The Hawks also made it loud and clear to Jamal that he [Jamal Crawford] was expendable by acquiring Jordan Crawford, a rookie shooting guard, via trade, in the 2010 NBA Draft; this was and should have been seen by Jamal Crawford as a “slap in the face.” Then, you [bloggers] wonder why Jamal Crawford disappeared after Game 1 of the 2011 Eastern Conference Semi-Finals vs. Chicago. I’m sure the majority of you bloggers would not give your best effort to your employer if you knew you were [being] disrespected and unappreciated and were about to be fired or laid-off.

northcyde

February 13th, 2012
10:41 pm

High, the sad thing about your post is that’s actually a GOOD GAME from Jamal. 20 shots in a game plus 6 fta means he actually took about 23 -25 shots. That’s a lot of usage.

Meanwhile, if the 3 – 5 Marvin just took half of Jamal’s attempts, he could go 6 – 12 for 17 points ( 2 – 5 from three…3 – 4 fts ).

I know one thing. Joe Johnson wouldn’t feel good about himself if he went 8 – 20 fg.

Grandad

February 13th, 2012
10:46 pm

Rusty

I can have an opinion.
Never said I was smart.
I’ve said I have experience [coach, scout, plyr development]

My opinion;
Magic is a moron as an analyst;
suggests;
perhaps he did not do his homework,
has never seen the Hawks play,
he decided to rip LD (LD was on Magic’s staff in LA, – I think -)
Magic doesn’t know fundamentals ?
I don’t know ?
I didn’t say he wasn’t smart nor intelligent – only a “moron” !
If he said what you said he said ? !

I have never been a Pro Player / never been Great / hardly intelligent.
Now, I have Worked Hard / Acquired some Wisdom / -&-;
been extremely mediocre,
while becoming a learned Man and a Bad Ass !!

High-sider

February 13th, 2012
11:18 pm

northcyde,

“Meanwhile, if the 3 – 5 Marvin just took half of Jamal’s attempts, he could go 6 – 12 for 17 points ( 2 – 5 from three…3 – 4 fts ).” – northcyde

He [Marvin] won’t [take those [shot] attempts]. Marvin does not have the testicular fortitude [gonads, 'nads, stones, b@lls, n-ts, rocks, acorns, conjones, plums, etc.] to take that many shots in a game especially big playoff game.

SteveW

February 13th, 2012
11:53 pm

Rod – You said, “You could have signed Jamal, and not had (Pargo, Willie Green, Vlad and Stackhouse), and we would be a much better team. You still could have signed TMac.”

The NBA pays about $500,000.00 each of those vet min. salaries – the Hawks are only on the hook for about $852,000.00 of their $1.352 million salaries. So the Hawks are only paying about 3.4 million for those 4 guys, and Jamal signed for 5 mill.

And you would have had to get 3 more guys, even really cheap, like Donald Sloan, Ivan, and Kito cheap – that’s about another 1.425 million the Hawks would have had to shell out – and you know ASG

Just wanted to clarify.

But I agree with your premise. If we could have been sure LD would use Jamal properly, and still use Teague, I would much rather have Jamal than Pargo, Green, Stack, and Vlad Rad.

I also agree with you about stats – they don’t tell the whole story – any good ball coach will tell you that. I don’t know how many times I had a smart ball player, that was in the right place at the right time, didn’t turn the ball over, got in a good defensive stance etc – but his line stunk – but he was a contribution to the team, and everybody knew it but the stat guy. Same with a scorer – a guy would chunk up bricks for 3 quarters, click in the 4th, and the panic on the other team was palpable. Because the knew when that guy got hot, it was going to be tough for them to control him. They had to work harder on D, held their breath with every shot, and it opened up some other teammates for opportunites.

And did I mention it gave his teammates a boost of confidence, and a sense that they knew they could win or come back?

So your comment about Jamal having to be accounted for, floor spacing, and the reason he was earning 10 mill and playing is because Coach’s saw he was better than the next guy are all true. And those things don’t always show up in the stats.

And Woody knew how to use Jamal way better than LD.

Grandad

February 13th, 2012
11:57 pm

Please northcyde – don’t attack – just an observation.

nc – I don’t feel like tangling with you tonite.

Here goes:

On the last Road Trip;
JoeJ made me feel like he was beginning to asseverate
himself to his position of go-to guy.
Particularly Milwaukee & Detroit.

Then we come Home.

We begin to play better teams.
(throw in the SA Spurs game on the road)
Joe goes into the fetal position.
According to Rusty;
Magic said:
“the Hawks looked as if they had no plan”.

Back to Joe.
We play the elite teams;
all of a sudden two problems arise:
(1) JoeJ reverts to Iso-J
(2) JoeJ can’t get his shots off cleanly.

I wish to stop for a moment and interject a thought.
Joe is not the only one – hence Magic’s statement.

Back to JoeJ:
My initial point – Joe / elite / same sentence.
*[the problem is team wide - yes]
JoeJ [Hawks] are lazy [fundamentals] such as;
screening & cutting which includes overall moving without the ball.
When JoeJ (leader) is lazy [team] naturally follows.

When JoeJ / Hawks play “elite / great defensive” teams,
as I said before they have trouble running their stuff,
they have trouble scoring,
so the easy way out is – they become a bunch of jump shooters.

** Another reaso Joe and his team have trouble scoring;
the really, really good teams are all over his / their ass !

The Hawks are poor boxer outers,
therefore poor defensive rebounders,
“a team must acquire the ball to run”
they cannot run, which they claim they wish to do;
but even if Teague rushes to the offensive end of the floor;
he must wait to set up to run a play.
Reason:
when you inbound after a basket;
the other team runs downcourt to set up their defense.

Back to Joe;
he does not demand … hold on for a second … DEMAND …
demand excellence from himself nor his teammates.
* note – neither does LD from his players.
If JoeJ did – then he would not be *lazy:
cutting, screening, -or- moving without the ball.

Quote from Heat player:
(Miller – I think) – “we knew we could bump them off their cuts”.

Why did I pick on JoeJ ?
I do not know ? … Why did he accept all that money ?

‘`From everyone who has been given much, much will be required;
and to whom they entrusted much, of him they will ask all the more”
- Luke 12:48 -

Not a bible lesson -seemed to fit.

Yes they are all to blame / including LD.

Grandad

February 14th, 2012
12:00 am

danged if that weren’t an epistle !!

Grandad

February 14th, 2012
12:03 am

SteveW

February 14th, 2012
12:05 am

Now in a condensed schedule, having a deep bench is really good. But in the playoffs, the rotations shorten. And you can only have 5 guys on the floor at the time as they say.

Could you imagine being able to close out games with your choice of 6 of the following: Teague, TMac, JJ, Jamal, Josh, and Horford? Now I know we had 5 of those 6 last season. But with Teague 1 more year of experience, and TMac, that’s a pretty good lineup to choose from in closing out games.

So I understand your point about the playoffs also.

And Pargo has looked ok. I’m for giving him more PT. If we could get the right piece for Hinrich, I’m ok with dealing him if it helps us win.

And nobody is going to give us Monta Ellis for any combination of Marvin and KH. Wish they would. Has Monta ever been to the All Star game? If not, a travesty – how is a guy 3rd team All Nba, and get to the ASG? I woulda dumped Westbrook and put Monta on the All Star team if I was a Coach who had a vote. Or maybe old man Nash.

SteveW

February 14th, 2012
12:07 am

Can’t get to the ASG my last post should have read talking about Monta.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 14th, 2012
12:07 am

Fire LD

CAN WE GET A NEW BLOG? MC WHERE u AT

Ra'mon

February 14th, 2012
12:09 am

Guys, KMart has been BALLING the last four games. His defense on the interior has been crazy.

By the way, Melo from ‘Cuse will be the next Priest Lauderdale.

SteveW

February 14th, 2012
12:11 am

Has Joe been two straight games w/o a rebound? Seems like he had another goose egg in that dept. very recently.

He may have longevity, but he’s got to get inside on occasion – he can post most any SG up. He can post alot of SF’s up.

vava74

February 14th, 2012
12:11 am

Rod,

I never questioned Jamal’s TALENT as an individual player, but he does not work within a team concept.

As I said REPEATEDLY, if I coached the Hawks I would gladly keep Jamal and use him as he can and should be used: short stretches (5 minute, high usage stints) and on average only about 20 minutes per game (and never at the PG slot).

However, Jamal’s game has a cocaine like effect both on HCs and on himself: neither knows when to stop.

Why Jamal was never signed or traded for by a successful, well coached and well managed outfit?? (Celtics, LA, SA, …?)

Because there is a disparity in the league between the (general) perception of his contribution and the contribution itself which the really good GMs correctly assess.

I grant you – obviously – that he was an important player in last year’s ORL series but we just beat ORL a few days ago without Al, Twin and Jamal.

A win which would have been EASY if it weren’t for LD’s complete miss management of the end of regulation.

Last year’s playoffs: PG defense on Nelson – eliminating the pick n roll game with Howard and the easy penetration that both Bibby and Jamal allowed was AS much or even MORE important than Jamal’s scoring.

Jamal gives up as many points as he scores so it’s debatable if we would not have won the series without him.

You are right when you say that we need another scorer to keep defenses honest in the playoffs, however, IMO, this season that scorer – until LD messed up with his confidence giving too many minutes to Hinrich – was TEAGUE.

Teague is shooting above .400 from 3 point land (I grant you that they are open looks) and is/was much more effective going to the rim than Jamal who – as northcyde said – always made his shots more difficult than necessary (and missed at the rim quite a lot).

Our recent struggles have been a direct result of a combination of shorthanded roster (missing Al) and less usage by Teague (caused by LD’s horrible coaching).

We have been mostly in control until LD takes Teague at the 6 minute mark. Only exception was the IND @ ATL game when Hinrich shot well, but the good stretches in the second half HAD TEAGUE putting the D necessary for us to make good runs.

Even on the playoffs, nothing beats good D leading to easy transition baskets.

MIA beat us not because of superior talent on the half court sets but because SUPERIOR D (referee assisted) leading to Hawks’ turnovers and easy baskets that broke the game open and broke our usually flimsy spirit.

SteveW

February 14th, 2012
12:12 am

Ra’mon – It would have been nice to have him. I hear the Clips are maybe getting JR Smith also.

doc

February 14th, 2012
12:18 am

gdad, preach, as the good lady says.

yes, it is so,

amen.

vava74

February 14th, 2012
12:22 am

Kaman has finally started one game at C:

NO won the game. Kaman destroyed Utah with 27/13 on 12/22 shooting in 41 minutes (with a ± of +11)

Ra'mon

February 14th, 2012
12:27 am

SteveW, yes it would have.

Ra'mon

February 14th, 2012
12:40 am

Trade of the night that instantly makes the Hawks better in my opinion.

Hawks get:
Vince Carter (3 yr- $3.00 Mil Per)
Lamar Odom (2 yr – $8.90 Mil Per)

Mavs get:
Kirk (1 yr – $8.10 Mil)
Marvin (3 yr – $7.5 Mil)

This deal puts Vince or Lamar (with Josh at 3 with Lamar at 4) in the starting line up, and gives LD a player who can get to the rim, and still has spurts where he’s able to take over a game. In Lamar, the Hawks get a championship caliber player, who would allow you to play Josh at the 3 more (Josh-Lamar-Al). We all know Lamar has underperformed this season. But before this season, the last 7 seasons Lamar has averaged over 8.5 rebounds a game (8.8 for career). In Lamar you instantly have a floor general who Josh, Joe, and Al would trust to run point at times. And this would allow Teague to play off the ball sometimes. Although the Hawks would not be getting a superstar, I do think this would make the Hawks able to beat Chicago in a 7 game series.

Last season the Hawks took the Bulls to 6 games without Kirk. So if you’re saying the only thing different this season would be Lamar and Vince in the place of Marvin, to go along with a deeper bench. I think the Hawks win that series in 6 (in 5 if Rose misses any time with back issues).

Dallas would do this deal because although they initially take on more salary this season, they’ll end up with an expiring contract this summer. And have even room to go after Williams and Howard like they’re gearing up to do. And I know Marvin could at least give Dallas what Deshawn S. gave them last season.

Because of Vince’s contract, this deal can’t happen until March 1st. But on that day, this deal should get done. This deal doesn’t add a big center. However it does add rebounding (consistent rebounding) and scoring.

Not to mention McGrady and Carter are cousins.

Ra'mon

February 14th, 2012
12:42 am

Also, Dallas has a couple of trade exceptions, so they’re able to make this deal happen.

Grandad

February 14th, 2012
1:36 am

doc

I was channeling Robert Duvall in ‘`The Apostle`’
a very underated movie.
*(including Farrah Fawcett)

Mr Duvall is unquestioned; my all time favorite actor.

‘`Lonesome Dove`’ even though a TV movie was his best.
* Even he says it [Lonesome Dove] was his best work.

-sorry / off topic-

vava74

February 14th, 2012
2:25 am

Grandad,

Is your guy in Lusitânia Basket, Mills?

Grandad

February 14th, 2012
2:42 am

vava

Yes
BMills

northcyde

February 14th, 2012
2:46 am

So in other words Grandad, JJ is paid like a superstar, so he must take on superstar responsibilities. I agree with that.

That does mean ALL superstar responsibilities. And that means being assertive whenever he feels he needs to be.

Against good teams, JJ should be extra assertive. He has to match the in game intensity that a Wade or a Durant will bring. He can’t simply be one of the guys. He plays too passive vs good teams. Although drawing the double team and passing to the open man is the right basketball play, it effectively keeps him out of the game mentally, especially if the people he’s passing to is missing shots.

Sometimes the guy needs to come out firing like Kobe, instead of trying to set everybody up like he’s Iguodala.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

February 14th, 2012
4:11 am

hawkfan

February 14th, 2012
4:23 am

woah did you just try to almost say jj should come out firing as a 5-time champion in kobe and last time i checked iguodala’s team is still winning and have done against more +.500 teams than us, and we have tried that before it was called iso-joe under woody it didn’t work much when we became so predictable on defense to the opposition and the rest of our team watches and not into the game

vava74

February 14th, 2012
5:51 am

northcyde
February 14th, 2012
2:46 am

IMO, JJ is an overachiever. A guy who works his butt off to produce above his real talent level.

This means that when is subject to extra pressure and faces adversity (like the constant bad refereeing) he lays down.

In fairness, I think he, like everyone else in this roster, need a lot better coaching.

They need someone that – like Hubie said 2 years ago – puts the players in their sweet spots and maximizes their talents.

The motion offense has been producing reasonably easy buckets against the bottom dwellers but without MORE structure it does not work nearly as good as needed against better opposition.

Also, to be perfectly frank, the offensive sets which we have been witnessing this year seem rather simpler than the ones used during the first 10/15 games of last year.

There was a lot more cutting, hand offs from the high post, back door cuts, pick n roll, pick n pop, …

I think the main reason is Al’s absence, since he is a much better recipient of passes than Zaza and a more reliable passer (Zaza makes nifty/flashy passes but like everything else in his game, he is highly inconsistent).

Just Joe

February 14th, 2012
5:53 am

Ra’mon……..Dallas won’t take on salary. Vince’s deal is only partially guaranteed after this year, and Odom has a team option for next year only. The rumors are that Dallas wants to trade one of Haywood or Marion, so they can have the option to amnesty the other. This allows them basically to start over this summer with only Dirk under contract.

My lesser Dallas deal would be McGrady and a 2nd rd pick for Roddy Beaubois. Beaubois hasn’t seen the floor since Kidd came back. As a starter while Kidd was out, he put up 11 pts, 3.6 Rebs, 5.2 assists, 1.0 turnover, 1.6 blocks, .8 steals in 29 minutes per game. He’s basically a Jeff Teague clone. Makes trading Hinrich easier to handle.

High-sider

February 14th, 2012
6:55 am

O’Brien, pointguardslim, northcyde [in particular], vava74, SteveW, Astro Joe and to all other AJC bloggers who feel the Atlanta Hawks currently have enough scorers on its team [Check this out RCP (Rod from College Park).],

Point[s] Per Game [PPG] averages using “Per 36 Minute[s]” statistics according to basketball-reference.com [Basketball-reference.com is an extremely credible website for [NBA] basketball-related data and statistics.]:

Jamal Crawford’s ppg average[s] per 36 minutes:

2009-2010 – 20.9ppg
2010-2011 – 16.9ppg
2011-2012 – 20.0ppg

Joe Johnson’s ppg average[s] per 36 minutes:

2009-2010 – 20.2ppg
2010-2011 – 18.5ppg
2011-2012 – 18.2ppg

Marvin Williams’ ppg average[s] per 36 minutes:

2009-2010 – 12.0ppg
2010-2011 – 13.0ppg
2011-2012 – 14.8ppg

Jeff Teague’s ppg average[s] per 36 minutes:

2009-2010 – 11.4ppg
2010-2011 – 13.5ppg
2011-2012 – 13.5ppg

Willie Green’s ppg average[s] per 36 minutes:

2009-2010 – 14.8ppg
2010-2011 – 14.5ppg
2011-2012 – 15.1ppg

Jamal Crawford is clearly the best and most pure scorer of all those [players] listed above. You do the math.

Grandad

February 14th, 2012
7:42 am

nc

My definition of a Great Player [as opposed to the term SuperStar]
‘`someone who make his teammates better`’.

*Russell
*Bird
*Magic
These three personified said definition.
Whereas *Wilt & Jordan;
made their teammates better:
*Wilt through sheer dominattion; scoring , rebndng, blkd shots;
*Jordan through fear.

All those men set the tone through the way they:
played the game, approached the game, carried themselves,
their fearless attitude, killer instinct, competitive mentality,
leadership, drive, and refusal to accept losing.

These traits were taken on by their teammates
either by osmosis or by sheer will [Russell]
or in Jordan’s case – his indomitable force !

Joe’s personality – well – he has very few of those traits.
One cannot change one’s personality.

Joe is a wonderful talent.
I just do not think he has that burning desire to compete,
therefore to win, as the aforementioned Hall of Famers.

doc

February 14th, 2012
8:13 am

on the linsanity thing. i think i heard the last rookie to score 20 pts in a row over several straight games in his first appearances was none other than mr flip murray in 2002. he started his career with 6 straight games of 20 points or better.

yup to gdad, duvall is one of my favorites as well and lonesome dove a classic.

Grandaddy Dunker

February 14th, 2012
8:35 am

How come Josh can’t play WELL against the Lakers,Heat,Bulls,76ers ? The good teams.

O'Brien

February 14th, 2012
8:37 am

Rod,

If the Hawks resigned Jamal, they would be over the luxury tax, which would cost them twice. 1) They would have to pay a $1 for $1 tax for being over the limit and 2) They would miss out on the rebate check the league gives out to teams under the cap.

High-sider,

I agree that the Hawks could have used Jamal and his scoring. But based on the Hawks financial restrictions, I think they are better off using $5 mil on the entire bench, versus using $5 mil on one player, especially with this condensed schedule. More depth was needed, and one player isn’t enough.

Sure, It would be nice if we had Jamal on the bench in the playoffs, but with or without Jamal, I think our ceiling is the same. Second round losers.

vava74

February 14th, 2012
8:37 am

Hi-sider,

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3407/gamelog;_ylt=Auc1n0yKS.V5QiWS9v306rxzPKB4

That is not a consistent scorer.

Jamal’s moniker should be roller-coaster.

Mz. Hawkdafied

February 14th, 2012
8:46 am

Where’s Cunningham? Is Vivlamore the new “beat writer”? What’s up? Where’s Big Ray and the Hawks Fan Blog?

SteveW

February 14th, 2012
8:53 am

Umm, high sider, where did you get I think we have enough scorers? We currently have no scorers really. JJ occasionally becomes a scorer, but he’s not what I call a scorer. Same with Josh. Tracy used to be a scorer, but it’s just not there. Marvin is usually scared of the ball, he’s not a scorer. Teague is a scorer, but not an elite one, and he stops once Josh and LD make it clear to him he’s a distributor and not a scorer.

We need a couple of scorer’s, no doubt. Green is a wannabe scorer. Pargo can be, but he’s not good enough and never plays. Hinrich, Zaza? Nah, nowhere close to being scorers. Vlad can about 6 games a year be a scorer.

Yep, we need a couple of scorers. Right now it’s JJ, Teague, Josh, and TMac, and that group is not scaring many people.

KevinM

February 14th, 2012
8:57 am

Jamal vs. the bench debate…really, there is no debate.

Sund never had an inclination to re-up with the 6MOY no matter the scenario.

Sund resigned Marvin, Al, and Zaza without any competition. You guys see it as easy as I do. Sund does not get into bidding wars. He isn’t going to let the market dictate his offer to a player.
The only, and I repeat, the only sensible signing Sund has made since he has been here has been with Josh. He found the MV for Josh, and decided it was worth keeping him. Ample opportunity to do that with the others mentioned, but refused to compete because he knew he had nothing to sell them.
Joe came back strictly for the money; he didn’t come back to win a championship.

You can’t create a scenario that was never there. Sund simply cannot compete with other teams for FAs. He offers the minimum, take it or leave it. What else does he have to offer? LD as coach? The ASG? He outbid himself for each player mentioned and has the tax limit to justify it.

We will be in this position until these contracts run their course.

I rest my case….this franchise will continue to swirl in incompetance as long as the ASG is in charge.

And where are the guys who didn’t think Kaman would fit in well here? We would grovel over a mobile C at this point…….the only way NO competes is when Kaman is in the lineup. Their organization looks as aloof as this one with the way they handled that roster spot. And if Kaman decides to move on next year, so be it. At least you gave this roster a chance to compete every night. Right now, you can’t say that.

SteveW

February 14th, 2012
9:00 am

If Al can’t even begin doing therapy until the first week of March, I have no idea how he comes back by April 21st or so, which is his most optimistic timetable.

And Al was playing inside alot more before he was hurt. Whoever says he wasn’t, didn’t watch the games. His rebounding hadn’t shown it yet, but he was in the low post much more than last season.

SteveW

February 14th, 2012
9:04 am

KevinM, what do you think we’ll do with Josh this time around? Let him walk, trade him, or make him a decent offer?

Grandad

February 14th, 2012
9:21 am

KevinM

‘`I rest my case…this franchise will continue to swirl in incompetance
as long as the ASG is in charge`’

-kinda like water goin’ down the toilet-

KevinM

February 14th, 2012
9:24 am

Steve, I always thought Josh was the one guy we could least afford to lose. I wanted to revamp this roster with the exception of Josh and Teague. Looking forward, I think that Josh is the one captain that we would lose, so saying that, I don’t think we even offer Josh a contract before he is considered an UFA.
So, we should enjoy Josh for the next 2 years, because I think he’s done here. It has to do with his attitude more than his performance IMO. This organization wants good guys, no conflicts with their players. Going forward, and after this year’s AS snub, I think Josh will be only become tougher to deal with and the pressure with Al being out doesn’t work in Josh’s favor.

So he is gone after this run, and we are going to go as far as Al and Joe take us. How pissed will Josh be next year when Al comes back and gets to the AS game his firstj year back?

Grandad

February 14th, 2012
9:26 am

SteveW

‘`what do you think we’ll do with Josh this time around?`’

I know the question was directed to KevinM;
-but-
there won’t be no this time around.

Josh will be traded – sooner `than’ later.

KevinM

February 14th, 2012
9:26 am

GDad, terrific, now i have this image of the ASG every time I press that lever :) ….

KevinM

February 14th, 2012
9:32 am

This comment is directed at Sund….if he allows teams in our conference go out and improve themselves with big additions as we stand pat, kill your support from this fan base goodbye. You sir, need to step up and earn that paycheck you haven’t earned the last 3 years.
Oh, and I’m still waiting for a guy who earns 8M to make a major impact with this team. 5 ppg isn’t major.

Slim

February 14th, 2012
9:42 am

Prediction: Lakers by 30 tonight..

This will be a brutal road trip for Larry and his men…

This is a .500 team within 4-6 weeks..

O'Brien

February 14th, 2012
9:46 am

If JJ really wanted to win a championship, he would have signed with Chicago when he became a free agent. Bulls have a top 5 PG, and a HC who is known for his defense (and won a championship as an assistant in Boston). But I’m not surprised he took the money and comfort of the Hawks. That’s what most athletes do.

KevinM, SteveW,

The ASG has implied that this team has one more chance to take the next step, and if they don’t, there would be changes to the core. Getting rid of Marvin is not much of a change, so I think one of our medium 3 will go. Nobody wants JJ and his contract, Al is signed at a manageable $12 mil per, but Josh will be too expensive for the ASG on his next contract.

However, the ASG will not trade Josh (imo). They will let his contract expire, and offer him a salary below market value, and Josh will go somewhere else for more $. Then the ASG will tell fans they really tried, and made a competitive offer, but couldn’t match the highest bidder.

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 14th, 2012
10:07 am

Just Beat It!

If two beat writers can’t post a referendum on a horrific at home beat down by the heat?

Then, who are they?
Then, what are they worth?

The loyal and die hard fans on this blog deserve better. The fans derserve a response and a professional response. Did any of the owners visit the locker room and address their team’s performance or, set a level of any expectations? If so, how did the coaches and team respond to that? If not, then – why not?

Who ia in charge of this debacle at Phillips Arena? Who will anwser the tough questions at hand? Who if anyone, will display leadership? How can any coach of a NBA team hide behind the diagnosis – We didn’t play with any energy or, the tired old mantra of – We just didn’t come out ready to play our game tonight? What was the game plan and why wasn’t it executed?

What happened to the cliche’ – NO EXCUSES? What IS the excuse for being lazy? Defense is about effort and lesser teams show minimal effort on a nightly basis, even in their sub 500 losses. What are the Hawks excuses with a dearth and modicum of talent? There is some talent here – isn’t there?

Hey beat writers! Put up a new blog or just – Beat It! What is your excuse? Between the two of you, I’m sure you can come up with something plausible.

That’s all I got.

SteveW

February 14th, 2012
10:16 am

Grandad – With many players becoming eligible for trade after March 1st, it may be interesting between then and the March 15th deadline. If D12 is traded, I wouldn’t be surprised if the new team didn’t make a run at Josh to make D12 happy in his new digs. Like a Humphries/Petro/Pick trade for Josh if the Nets get D12.

But OB and KevinM may be right – we just let him walk, and lowball him and at least say we tried.

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
10:17 am

NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BASKETBALL IN GEORGIA? C’MON MAN!

Gearon Jr and his boys have invested in the Hawks to use as a write off…These 8 investors don’t even live in this STATE!

Lets be real. This Franchise has not been in pursuit of a Championship for at least the past 25 years or so..

The last three GM hires, drafts and trades dictate that..

ECF and Championships were never part of the equation…

The Chief Gangster/ god Father’s plans have worked out brilliantly!

Gearon Jr’s puppet is and has been just a highly skilled and paid smoke puffer….

You shall know them by their actions…………….

Sund is the wrong guy to break up this core and put it back together for a possible Championship run for sure cause he’s never done it before over the span of three plus decades..Cant change the spots?

Blowin lots of Smoke for sure…………………….

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
10:24 am

Yea drmaryb what is going on with these beat writers as of late?

Are they lacking “energy” too like Larry’s team? LMAO!

STRETCH

February 14th, 2012
10:24 am

Ramon,

Im diggin that VC/Odom for Kirk/Marvin, just wish Dallas would go for something like that. Cause right now, the Hawks dont really have anything the rest of the league wants.

VC could be that SF/SG that the Hawks dearly need to generate extra offense cause after watching them over the past few years, they continue to stand around and get bogged down too much while nobody wants the ball. Against the Heat the went 5 mins without a single point.

I know Vince and Lamar are older, but this Core is about to be broken up next year anyway and Sund should be trying to do whatever he can move past the 2nd round.

Since Hinrich as been back, it seems Teagues minutes and confidence has gone down. We all know what Marvin brings, and maybe a new role and scenery is better for him and Atlanta cause he will never live down Billy Knights blunder.

JT
JJ
Vince
JS – another scoring option
AH/ZaZa – Hoping Zaza can hold it down

Pargo
Green
T-Mac/Vlad – matches up better with smaller guys
Lamar/Ivan
Collins/Damp

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
10:28 am

They need a legit scorer from the 3 spot…..Sorta like a Rudy Gay, a big 6′9″ SF! He’s avg. bout 18ppg!

Melvin

February 14th, 2012
10:42 am

My goodness, this blog is 3 days old and we still haven’t reach 1000 posts. How do we expect the Hawks to play with ENERGY when there fans are no blogging with energy…. Shame on the fans with such a poor blogging performance.

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 14th, 2012
10:46 am

Slimjr honey cakes – the bloginator just ate my spirited response to you. I don’t think I can re-spit my passion, it’s so fleeting in passion and range. LOL! But, you already know where i’m going with this.

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
11:11 am

Hey Melvin, leave Jack D. alone this morning! Much too early to be hitting it!!!! LMAO!

Sund= I see stars Melvin= Me too……

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
11:12 am

I hear ya DMB!

Rod from College Park

February 14th, 2012
11:15 am

High-sider,

Great post. Some guys on this blog would debate with you if you told them that sh*% stinks. The info has been posted, they just want to continue to post nonsense (vava and northcyde). Vava said Kurt Hinrich meant as much as Jamal Crawford in the Orlando series. If Jamal’s defense was so terrible in the Orlando series, then who was he guarding, and why did that player not torch the Hawks. Guess he forgot that Jamal was guarding Nelson some as well. Ignorance is bliss.

Steve W and O’Brien,

Not really big and into the numbers of it, buut the Hawks could have and should have signed Jamal at all cost. He was the best scorer on the team, and the numbers prove it. It will all show in the playoffs. A scorer is needed badly. I would really look into trying to get JR Smith. Joe is not that guy. He does not have a scorers mentality, folds under pressure, and has no ability to get to the line, which Jamal did better than him also.

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
11:15 am

Prediction: Kobe benched in the 4th quarter cause they’re up 28pts!

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
11:17 am

ISo=Robin

Needed Batman 4 years ago!

SteveW

February 14th, 2012
11:18 am

The warriors have been 15 year without an All Star. The Bucks and Kings have been 8. I’m just glad we have All stars and guys in the conversation.

In College most successful Coaches say you need at least 3 scorers to compete at the highest level.

Rod from College Park

February 14th, 2012
11:19 am

“They need a legit scorer from the 3 spot…..Sorta like a Rudy Gay, a big 6′9″ SF! He’s avg. bout 18ppg!”

They have needed that since Marvin’s been here. they will just continue to trot him out there, game after game after game.

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
11:25 am

Yes Rod, so sad……..shakin my head left to right, repeating the process several times……Hey at least my neck feels better….

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
11:30 am

Rudy= heart of a Tiger

Marvin= heart of a ballerina

darrell starks

February 14th, 2012
11:31 am

Line up change is a must.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

February 14th, 2012
11:32 am

STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, IVAN, ZAZA

BENCH PARGO, GREEN, TMAC, SORRY MARVIN, DAMPIER

RESERVE HINRICH, VLAD, STACK

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

February 14th, 2012
11:34 am

Move Josh to the 3 and get him the ball in the post.

JOSH 20POINTS 8 REBOUNDS A GAME.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 14th, 2012
11:39 am

“Marvin= heart of a ballerina” -slimbaby-
________

“Butt”, even a ballerina has “balance” and, nore heart. (smh)

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
11:41 am

SteveW, if the Hawks played in the Western Conference they would have zero AllStars…That conference for years has been far superior to the East…

In fact I dont believe this team even makes the playoffs over there the past 3 years…Pretenders for sure….OKC a bar setter has swept the Hawks what is it 4 straight years now???

darrell starks

February 14th, 2012
11:42 am

STARTE IVAN AT PF 30MIN A GAME 12POINTS 10REBOUNDS A GAME.

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

GaSouthernSmooth

February 14th, 2012
11:46 am

BIGGEST SNUB from all star weekend… Ivan Johnson from the rookie challenge. I would have loved to see Sir Charles draft him and praise this guy on a big stage

GaSouthernSmooth

February 14th, 2012
11:47 am

Rookie/Sophomore Game*

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
11:50 am

“Butt”, even a ballerina has “balance” and, more heart. (smh)”– DMB

Hahahah……

My apologies to all of the ballerinas out there in Hawks land.. —Slimjr

High-sider

February 14th, 2012
11:59 am

Rod from College Park,

I appreciate the compliment. I just wanted to help you check them busters who continuously criticize [hate on] Jamal Crawford.

northcyde

February 14th, 2012
12:05 pm

@ high-sider

JJ takes 16 shots per 36 min w/43% shooting to score those 18 points

Marvin takes a little less than 12 shots per 36 w/43% shooting to score almost 15 points

Teague takes 11 shots per 36 w/48% shooting to score 13.5 points

Willie takes 14 shots per 36 w/45% shooting to score 15 points

Jamal takes 18 shots per 36 w/39% shooting to score 20 points

Translation: Jamal scores more because he shoots a hell of a lot more. Give all of the above guys 18 shots a game in a 36 minute span, and all of them could score 20 or more ppg. And more efficiently at that.

northcyde

February 14th, 2012
12:21 pm

Lol @ vava calling Jamal a “roller coaster”. Great comment. That’s exactly what he is. We don’t need a roller coaster on this team. We need one of those foot pedal boats. Someone that you know will put a smile on your face everytime he steps on the court. Not someone who will make you scream for your life.

Rod from College Park

February 14th, 2012
12:23 pm

Northcyde,

“Translation: Jamal scores more because he shoots a hell of a lot more. Give all of the above guys 18 shots a game in a 36 minute span, and all of them could score 20 or more ppg. And more efficiently at that.”

Cut it out. Every time you post, you make yourself look more ignorant. I used to actually think you actually had some basketball knowledge. I realize now that you are just a fantasy guy now. Let’s stop speaking in what if’s and talk about what is.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

February 14th, 2012
12:32 pm

BIG IVAN FOR PRESIDENT

northcyde

February 14th, 2012
12:34 pm

Ray Allen scores 16 points per 36 on 11.5 shots. But some people around here would want you to believe that Jamal is the better scorer simply because he scores 4 more points than Ray. Let’s ignore the fact that Ray shoots 49% fg. Nope. That number does not matter. Only the amount of points.

vava74

February 14th, 2012
12:37 pm

Rod,

LAST YEAR, we won a regular season game against ORL WITHOUT Jamal.

THIS YEAR, we did the same already.

The fact that Jamal played really well in 4 of the 6 games of the series was very good for us, but I don’t necessarily agree that we can conclude that without him we would not have won.

Rod from College Park

February 14th, 2012
12:41 pm

“Lol @ vava calling Jamal a “roller coaster”. Great comment. That’s exactly what he is. We don’t need a roller coaster on this team. We need one of those foot pedal boats. Someone that you know will put a smile on your face everytime he steps on the court. Not someone who will make you scream for your life.”

You feel this way, but you consistently support Marvin Williams?

O'Brien

February 14th, 2012
12:44 pm

When Flip was here, he gave the Hawks 12 ppg in 25 minutes off the bench. 45% FG, 36% from 3, and took ~10 shots per game. I think Flip only made $2 mil that year. That was very good value.

O'Brien

February 14th, 2012
12:46 pm

Let’s talk about the Hawks game. They will have their hands full tonight. In 2 games against the Lakers last year, we lost by 24 in LA, and lost by 14 in ATL.

The key question for me is which JJ will show up tonight? In the first Laker game, JJ was 6-14, finishing with 14 pts, 4 assists and 2 turnovers. In game 2, he was 4-14, finishing with 11 points, 3 assists, 2 turnovers.

We will need 20 points from JJ tonight. Can he deliver? Josh and ZaZa will need to do a good job collecting rebounds too.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 14th, 2012
12:50 pm

“Ray Allen scores 16 points per 36 on 11.5 shots. But some people around here would want you to believe that Jamal is the better scorer simply because he scores 4 more points than Ray. Let’s ignore the fact that Ray shoots 49% fg. Nope. That number does not matter. Only the amount of points.”

Ray Allen gets most of his shots running off screens and assisted by Rondo. Jamal gets most of his shots off the dribble in isolation.

To be clear I am not putting Jamal on the same level as the greatest long range shooter in NBA history, just saying that those stats don’t tell the whole story.

Rod has a point. Usage and per-minute stats are good for evaluating production, but they are not as good for evaluating talent and ability. You can’t look at these things in a vacuum. If you could, then Bret LaGree would have been right last year when he kept saying how the Hawks should run the offense through Al Horford, since Al is by far the most efficient offensive player on this team.

Rod from College Park

February 14th, 2012
12:53 pm

“The fact that Jamal played really well in 4 of the 6 games of the series was very good for us, but I don’t necessarily agree that we can conclude that without him we would not have won.”

You don’t have to agree, thats your perogative as Bobby Brown would say, but the facts show otherwise. If you can tell me where 20ppg was coming from on last years team, I’m all ears. A playoff series and a regular series game, are two totally different things, especially for the Hawks. Even with Jamal in that Orlando series we averaged 86 ppg, so if you are dumb enough to think that we could remove those 20 ppg, and still win, then I have some swamp land in Florida that I would love to sell you.

northcyde

February 14th, 2012
12:55 pm

Fantasy guy? You’re the one hyping up one of the more inefficient volume shooters in the league, and acting like his 39% shooting will help us. That’s the REAL FANTASY.

This team was in a straight freefall after the all-star break last year. Did the great Jamal Crawford help us then? Nope. He was sucking like everybody else.

You keep hanging onto that Orlando series like he was the only guy who made a contribution. Its funny though. We didn’t win a single game in that series when JJ didn’t score 20 points. Jamal gets props for showing up in that series. But someone should’ve told the dude if he were going to take the 2nd most shots on the team, that we ALSO needed his azz in the Chicago series.

Dude shot 3 – 19 in the 2 biggest games in franchise history in the last 23 years. But that’s what you like. The roller coaster player who will look like an all-star one night, and a bench warmer for the Morehouse basketball team the next.

Thank GOD that Teague played well enough to make him expendible.

LOL @ fantasy guy. When people use jamal’s inefficient azz stats to hype him up, it’s all good. But when people who truly know basketball see use those same stats against him, it’s fantasy.

GTFOH

Rod from College Park

February 14th, 2012
1:01 pm

“Rod has a point. Usage and per-minute stats are good for evaluating production, but they are not as good for evaluating talent and ability. You can’t look at these things in a vacuum. If you could, then Bret LaGree would have been right last year when he kept saying how the Hawks should run the offense through Al Horford, since Al is by far the most efficient offensive player on this team.”

Exactly. Vava knows this, he saw it first hand in the playoffs. Horford is the most effecient Hawk, but if you pass him the ball and the defender closes out on the jump shot, he is useless. Ray Allen is similar, so was Reggie Miller. Those guys were great because the teams that they are on run specific plays to get them their shots, mostly coming off screens. I personally think Jamal If they had to isolate, create, and take guys off the dribble the way Jordon, Nique and other greats did, they would not be as great.

High-sider

February 14th, 2012
1:20 pm

northcyde [and Rod from College Park],

“JJ takes 16 shots per 36 min w/43% shooting to score those 18 points

Marvin takes a little less than 12 shots per 36 w/43% shooting to score almost 15 points

Teague takes 11 shots per 36 w/48% shooting to score 13.5 points

Willie takes 14 shots per 36 w/45% shooting to score 15 points

Jamal takes 18 shots per 36 w/39% shooting to score 20 points

Translation: Jamal scores more because he shoots a hell of a lot more. Give all of the above guys 18 shots a game in a 36 minute span, and all of them could score 20 or more ppg. And more efficiently at that.” – northcyde

I have given you the “Per 36 Minutes” stats [statistics] from basketball-reference.com and now you [northcyde] want to base players’ [scoring] points on “if they [the players in comparison] all took the same [amount of] shots.” The “Per 36 Minutes” statistics are an extrapolation [projection, prediction, assumption or estimation] of how players would produce based on actual statistical data. The “36 Minutes” statistics are similar to performing “trend analysis[es].” Just because a player plays extra minutes and fails to shoot the same amount of shots as another [comparable] player [or player in comparison], that’s not the fault of the ["Per 36 Minutes"] statistics; that’s the fault of the player who fails to accumulate extra shot opportunities for himself. You just don’t “get it” [understand]; moreover, it’s that you refuse to “get it” [understand]. The argument [debate] is not “who is the better [or best] shooter” or “more [or most] efficient scorer”; the argument [debate] is “who is the better [or best] scorer.”

With respect to shooting, Jamal Crawford is a better perimeter shooter than Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Jeff Teague and Willie Green. In my assessment, I would classify Jamal Crawford as either a “pure shooter” or on the cusp of being a “pure shooter.” My assessment is based on [career] 3pt. field goal percentage and free throw percentage as well as other factors and intangibles, not easily quantifiable, such as shot mechanics, shooting form, shot trajectory, mid-air ball rotation,etc.

northcyde

February 14th, 2012
1:33 pm

Najeh, the only reason why Legree is wrong because Al would need a Steve Nash or Rondo like PG to maximize his talent. Here’s a question. What player could consistently make Jamal a better player?

Jamal has played with some pretty damn good players in his career, yet, he’s only had one decent efficient year 09 – 10.

Rod talks about how Ray and Reggie wouldn’t be as great if they had to play more of an ISO game. LOL well Jamal would be out the league if he had to be in a structured offense in which he had to Knock down jumpers coming off screens.

Jamal has great handles,, but would rather use them to set up an off balance jumper, than go to the rim. Forget Josh Smith’s BBIQ, Jamal’s BBIQ is very low. Worst shot selection in the league 10 years running.

kwooden

February 14th, 2012
1:47 pm

I think the HAWKS have a decent chance of winning tonight if JJ is making his jumpers. Meta is going to body him up, but if JJ can hit his floaters, he should be very effective. We’re going to get hammered in the post but, if we can be close to even on the boards we might be OK. Jeff really needs to take advantage of his match-up and get in the paint. If he can score and/or get to the line we should be able to hang with them for most of the game. Need to start hot though, we’re definitely a front-running team.

GO HAWKS!!

pointguardslim

February 14th, 2012
1:48 pm

Smith.Lueur.Bogut is back folks!
ITS A TRAP!!!!
Now explain to us why you’ve been gone all this time?
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I made a very very inappropriate joke and got IP banned… Forgive me please! I love the opportunity the Hawks have to win it all and need to talk about them and get the message out.

Bogut? wow. What can I say. He’s the white version of Greg Oden. Freak luck and now brittle bones. Do not want.

Leuer on the other hand is still a healthy 7 foot sharpshooter with post game, a little bit soft and stiff like Bosh on defense, but with Smith roaming at SF he is just what we need to force matchups and dominate Philly and Knicks etc.

We cannot go to war with Marvin any longer. He is a liability and messes up the matchups of “Bully Ball”.

The CORE is Josh Smith + Joe Johnson
Add 7′0 inside out PF to CORE = Bully Ball.
Add Marvin tweener to CORE= Small Ball. Brick Ball. Jumpshooting team.

Smith got demolished by a center/Pf like Bosh. And I expect the same thing with Bynum and Gasol.

Do ATL fans not see that we’re getting demolished and need shooting big to enhance the CORE?

Smith at PF is a liability. against most SFs he’d demolish them and play inside the paint more and improved help defense and block shots from behind.

He should be DPOtY. Instead Mark Cuban is trumpeting Marion. A sf who used to play PF with Boris Diaw and lose every year.

Marvin Williams is the Boris Diaw to Josh’s Shawn Marion. Just look how good Vlad was with the starters and he’s a million times softer and 2 inches smaller than Jon Leuer.

Gooden + Leuer for Kirk Hinrich.

northcyde

February 14th, 2012
1:51 pm

How many minutes did Leuer play the other night?

pointguardslim

February 14th, 2012
2:02 pm

How many minutes did Leuer play the other night?
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The 7′0 SF/PF already played more minutes than 6′4 point guard Jeremy Lin’s rookie season.
Seriously, Instead of seeing the size and defensive matchups he brings to our team. You ask stupid questions.

Steve Blake played more minutes in his last game than Leuer. Would he be a better replacement starter for Marvin than a stretch PF?
We need size and shooting. In one package together and you can have a guy hitting 5 3 pointers.

Seriously what kind of idiotic question is that? Try asking something intelligent next time.

northcyde

February 14th, 2012
2:03 pm

Lol @ calling Jamal a “pure shooter” despite his career 41% fg and 35% three fg shooting. Those are Salim Stoudamire type shooting numbers. So I guess Salim was a pure shooter too, even if he couldn’t consistently make shots.

northcyde

February 14th, 2012
2:05 pm

Why isn’t Leuer getting more playing time on a bad team?

Is that a stupid question as well?

pointguardslim

February 14th, 2012
2:12 pm

Marvin Williams is an absolute bust, and he’s still putting up #s.
Vlad is absolutely soft with no post game and he was doing the same thing with the starters.

Time to give Josh Smith and Joe Johnson CREDIT and HELP. CREDIT for making their teammates better and drawing attention so they are wide open and HELP because the BUST is absolutely not making plays or drawing an advantage.

The dumb questions you’re asking is hurting the Hawks.

Marvin Wiliams is a bust. Leuer would be a steal that Josh and Joe could use and milk like the Dwight effect on Ryan Anderson. Open for long range, and post up on switches, and then we get Josh and Joe posting up smaller players.

Hawks arent munchkins anymore. Im tired of harping on Josh and cutting video of him to show how hard he works and how he beasts sfs. He said he thought hed be the SF this year because of Horford’s griping.
I think it would be more direct the problem is Marvin if I actually showed people, you know that Marvin is the problem.

northcyde

February 14th, 2012
2:17 pm

Maybe he misunderstood my question.

Why can’t Leuer get more playing time on a bad team? You want him to start for the Hawks, but can’t even be a regular rotation player in Milwaukee? Something does not compute.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 14th, 2012
2:27 pm

“LOL well Jamal would be out the league if he had to be in a structured offense in which he had to Knock down jumpers coming off screens.”

This is just flat out not true. Jamal has never been consistently used in a structured offense in which he had to knock down jumpers coming off screens. He did a fine job coming off screens last year, but the Hawks refused to run him off screens consistently.

vava74 had a good line earlier about how Jamal is like crack to coaches. That doesn’t just apply to Jamal — it applies to any player who can create his own shot, because that relieves the coach from having to run plays. Just because Jamal has been used in that way his whole career doesn’t mean that’s the only way he can be used.

“Lol @ calling Jamal a “pure shooter” despite his career 41% fg and 35% three fg shooting. Those are Salim Stoudamire type shooting numbers.”

Again, looking at these numbers in a vacuum says nothing about Jamal’s ability, only about his production. Those numbers say nothing about what kind of player he would be if he didn’t have to create the majority of his shots.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 14th, 2012
2:28 pm

Leuer may or may not be a good player, but the fact that Leuer’s mom is here talking about him every day will never stop being funny to me. I wonder if there is a counterpart on the Bucks blog who posts every day about Ivan Johnson being the potential savior who can propel the Bucks to the conference finals.

pointguardslim

February 14th, 2012
2:36 pm

Why isn’t Leuer getting more playing time on a bad team? Thats a less snide question and a better one.

He isn’t getting playing time because he’s a bit stiff on defense and a perimeter player on offense.

Ilyasova is a bad shooter and a quicker rebounder and Mbah a Moute is lauded as a stellar defender. Thats what Skiles likes.

But why should that matter. You do realize Marvin Williams is so bad for this teams matchups (teams can just switch length onto our stars AND we are undersized on defense) that at one point
Jason Collins took his spot as a starter last year.

We are a team with an unconventional tweener in Josh so you need to counter that.
You said we need someone to post up and throw ball in and maybe get fouled. I said add a stretch POWER player in Jon Leuer.

Joe Johnson 6′8 sg
Josh Smith 6′8 sf
Jon Leuer 7′0 pf (take Gasol away from basket so Joe+Josh can go to work)

Lets say TShooting% and the eye test are right and Leuer would be a 7′0 Ryan Anderson.
Even if he doesnt post up Gasol, I count 2 other options in posting up Joe Johnson vs SGs smaller than him and posting up Josh Smith against SFs his size or smaller SGs.

Thats 2 post up threats and Leuer is automatic if a switch happens. Look at the plays Marvin gets and cant make…rebounding, too short and passes up corner shots, cant get a clean look off the dribble.

Its dumb to ask why Leuer isnt playing in MIL when we have stars in our system that can milk a Ryan Anderson/Leuer type. AND even Worse is that after Miami its hella obvious WE COULD USE THE SIZE AND THE FUNDAMENTALS SHOOTING.

And Marvin isnt that. And never will be. Rather have Josh Smith vs Artest than Smith throwing hook shots over Gasol. Rather have Joe Johnson bullying Kobe in the post than wrestling with Artest.
Meanwhile Kobe will be busting Joe’s rear on the other end and resting on Marvin.
Its a domino effect. Horrible fundamentals and size disadvantage. I predict a loss and Hawks will be Lambs to the slaughter tonight.

pointguardslim

February 14th, 2012
2:42 pm

Why can’t Leuer get more playing time on a bad team?
-Ilyasova
-Mbah a Moute
are in front of him in rotation

You want him to start for the Hawks, but can’t even be a regular rotation player in Milwaukee?

- Jeremy Lin, cut from Rockets
– Lowry and Dragic 2 young PGs had players ahead of them.

The Hawks core of Joe and Josh Smith need size and shooting.

Who does Marvin have in front of him that fits the bill?
McGrady? Old and lagging on defense and size on the boards
Radmanovic? Old and lagging on defense and size on the boards

pointguardslim's bottom line, force matchups

February 14th, 2012
2:49 pm

for shame. What shooting “POWER” Forward have we signed? Marvin has no competition. Doesnt mean he’s good. AT ALL. He’s a bust.

Its common logic. Don’t look at names. Leuer wont stand out with a bunch of white schlubs in MILwaukee but he will in ATL.
Give ATL credit draw defense. He can shoot. In MIL they want Amare Stoudemire. A go to scorer. Leuer IS NOT A GO TO SCORER.

AND I NEVER SAID HE WAS. But we have our Go to SCORERS in the post and on the boards with Josh at the SF and Joe at the SG.

pg: Jeff Teague
sg: Joe Johnson
sf: Josh Smith
pf: 7 footer
c: Pachulia

pointguardslim

February 14th, 2012
2:50 pm

Michael Cunningham

February 14th, 2012
2:50 pm

new blog posted. shutting down this thread.

Slimjr

February 14th, 2012
2:51 pm

I’m buying pt.guard slim! Marvin has been a huge disappointment…He came to Atlanta with all this hype from Billy “GTFO” Knight!

His inability to step up and be consistent against the winners is killing this teams chances to excel in the post season..Heck within the next 4 weeks they maybe hovering around the .500 mark for real?

Got to shake this house of cards up…

Joe and Josh need help yesterday, especially on the offensive end. New young blood maybe just what the doctor ordered!

Thanks for your dissertation! It was impeccable as always Sir..Welcome back!

Melvin

February 14th, 2012
2:52 pm

I would really like the see the Hawks go after JR Smith. Hawks need another score and JR can score from any spot on the floor. He attacks the rim and shoot it from 3. We could put Marvin on the bench, Joe at the 3 and JR at the 2. Hawks have their full MLE they could offer him which is more money than the Clippers or Knicks could offer. Either the Hawks sign him so he could help this team or watch him hurt the Hawks b/c it’s reported that the Magic are looking at him…

Subtlety

February 14th, 2012
2:53 pm

pgslim,

Why do you keep referring to Leuer as a 7 footer when the League has him listed as 6′ 10″?

pointguardslim

February 14th, 2012
3:47 pm

draftexpress has the official measurements
secrets to success

Shane Battier – is 6′10 and only person to average a 3 pointer + a Blocked shot.
Leuer – 6′11.5″ in shoes. Same wingspan as Carmelo, Pierce, Vince Carter, David Lee. He falls in a very common range of knockdown shooters. And his #s and video are backing me up.

He is a very tall and quick release it helps him as a special Offensive sharpshooter. Problem for him is he needs a Dwight/Josh+Joe to draw attention and defend.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 14th, 2012
10:49 pm

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 14th, 2012
11:04 pm

WE NEED ANOTHER CENTER

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