Hawks 89, Magic 87 (OT)
11:28 pm February 10, 2012, by Michael Cunningham
Orlando–Before getting to everything the Hawks did wrong while blowing a lead before pulling out the W, let me take a minute to point out something that’s pretty remarkable.
- After a period in which it seemed as if the Hawks would never beat the Magic as long as Dwight Howard was around, it’s now to the point where the Magic can’t want anything to do with the Hawks. “I don’t think anyone in this locker room will ever forget what Orlando did to us in the playoffs a couple of years ago,” Marvin Williams said.
- The Hawks seem to have solved the Magic riddle and it’s really something to see. This time the Hawks beat Orlando without All-Star Al Horford, Magic slayer Jamal Crawford and Dwight stopper Jason Collins. They have two centers who have proven to frustrate Dwight. They give Orlando problems with their size all over the court, which Stan Van Gundy noted pregame is what tends to happen to his team. They outplayed Orlando when it was small vs. small, too.
- And now the Hawks win regularly in Orlando. Maybe it’s the new building. “Early on in my career the margin of defeat here was probably 30 or 25 points,” Josh Smith said. “Being able to get established here and be in every ball game of late, it definitely shows you the growth of this basketball team.”
- I think that’s a perfect segue into all the things the Hawks did wrong after they took the 78-70 lead with 2:26 to play. The Hawks had four more possessions in regulation and each one of them involved lots of dribbling and no clear plan of attack. This came after three straight possessions in which Josh scored two baskets and earned two free throws by aggressively driving to the rim.
- Jeff Teague actually shook free for a decent look that missed but only after a confused possession. On the next trip down, Teague rushed a 10-footer after a similarly scrambled possession. Joe Johnson then missed a challenged Iso jumper. And, finally, Josh missed a 20-footer after a timid attempt by Teague to run a pick-and-roll with him.
- “I thought we had some good looks,” Larry Drew said. “I think maybe one play we just didn’t execute it very well. We probably lost a little bit of our aggression when they made a run, particularly off the dribble on the attack. I thought we kind of settled toward the end of regulation. You have got to keep your aggression.”
- While Atlanta was squandering those possessions, Hedo Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson were easily getting to the basket for scores. And then Drew used some strange strategy on Orlando’s final possession of regulation.
- Drew subbed Willie Green for Zaza Pachulia, who had done an admirable job tangling with Dwight. He also swapped Tracy McGrady for Teague and, anticipating a Nelson-Howard screen-roll, put Johnson on Nelson and Smith on Howard. Not only that, Drew had Smith and Johnson switch on each screen.
- Nelson, not surprisingly, got by Johnson. That forced Smith to help, leaving Howard to dunk home the miss as there was no other Hawks player capable of sliding over to keep Howard away from the basket.
- Drew: “Jameer had gotten away from us a few times and we wanted to try, if be in a switchable situation, we put Josh on Howard and put Joe on the ball so it’s a bigger guy to wrestle Howard into the paint area. I thought we did a good job with it, we just didn’t finish it up. You take some gambles. I thought for the most part our coverages were good.”
- Smith: “We just knew that Dwight was going to come up for screen-and-roll and we didn’t want Teague rolling down on Dwight. That would have been just an impossible matchup to even contest if they threw it down low to Dwight. Jameer did what he had to do. Jameer got it up on the rim and no one came over to push Dwight under the rim and he got the tip dunk.”
- Give the Hawks credit for recovering from that sequence of events to win even after Turkoglu opened the overtime with a 3. Joe’s runner and turnaround J were the daggers. Or at least they could have been if he hadn’t later missed on a bad iso possession, Smith hadn’t turned it over under the basket and Marvin and Zaza had made both free-throw attempts on trips to the line.
- The Hawks won, though, to improve to 5-7 vs. opponents with winning records and 11-5 without Al. “I was a little concerned I thought our guys would come out flat for overtime,” Drew said. “They proved me wrong.”
- Josh had 23 points but needed 22 shots to do it. It was his rebounding that carried the Hawks. He really did a good job sealing off the glass for 19 boards and got his hands on several other misses.
- Every player has weaknesses. It just so often seems as if Smith’s twin bugaboos of suspect shot selection and looseness with the ball come at the worst times. And so it goes that he led the Hawks to victory at the same time he helped them nearly give it away.
- “I was getting some play calls tonight,” he said. “I wanted to be efficient down low on the block. I think I did a good job with that. I took what the defense gave me tonight.”
- Actually, he took what the Magic didn’t want to give him before being enticed into settling for what they wanted him to have. He also let Ryan Anderson get loose. But, in the final analysis, Josh was The Man. “When you see a stat line like that, it speaks for itself,” Marvin said. “Without him, we don’t win this game.”
- Josh was done talking about the All-Star snub. He said earlier today it doesn’t motivate him but I don’t think anyone is buying that. Drew: “This kid has had a remarkable first part of the year. He just impacts the game on both ends of the floor. He should have been there. It’s unfortunate the voting went that way. He’s a guy who if he just keeps playing the way he’s playing, it will happen. They passed him up this year.”
- Zaza was excellent: nine points on six shots, 10 rebounds, no turnovers. Like Collins, he figured out that sometimes the best way to defend Dwight is to back off a bit and let him start his move before poking at the ball.
- Joe didn’t shoot it well. He was good when he made quick decisions and passed out of double teams.
- Marvin played 35 minutes did what he should do: Make the open shots when the ball swings around to him. He also had six rebounds, three assists and no turnovers.
- Teague (13 points on 11 shots) was in scoring mode most of the night. He played spirited defense on the ball most of the way (three steals) but his intensity appeared to wane down the stretch.
- Tonight it was Tracy McGrady, Scorer (9 points on 7 shots). He spent a lot of time frantically waving for his teammates to throw him the ball in the post so he could abuse Chris Duhon and Quentin Richardson.
- Erick Dampier had two rebounds in 1:46. He sealed off Dwight for both of them. That’s a successful debut.
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
216 comments Add your comment
vava74
February 12th, 2012
2:37 pm
V-Rad has done this his whole career:
He has good basketball knowledge, skills, good length and a complete lack of fire to be anything remotely described as consistency.
I would still use him for a few minutes -in and out of the game- with strict orders to shoot it every single time he is open and there is rebounding positioned.
Grandad
February 12th, 2012
2:54 pm
vava
In my original post;
which you may or may not have seen;
[nc failed to mention]
I had an offense / defense platoon;
with Josh re-entering the game.
* Under two min., 7 pt. lead, there would be multiple TOs;
permitting subbing on both ends of the floor.
* I said Josh on def / V-Rad on off with reasoning for both.
* Obviously, nc has more faith in Josh on offense,
in crucial situations, than I.
* note – Josh is a poor fundamental defender;
aside from the (2+ blks) per game.
* further noted that blks would be important during crunch time;
hence – defensive platoon. [getting Josh in on def]
** My plan was designed strictly to get the ball inside [T-Mac] period.
[a philosophical point of going inside and not to Josh]
** also Teaguer/ Kirk primary ballhandler not Iso-J
** dribble penetration only Teaguer
** V-Rad for spacing / also Kirk
** V-rad ends up with jumper at the end of possession rather than JS
** Not to Mention five better FT shooters than Josh
cannot argue that !!
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Well thought out philosophy
-not overboard-
years of exp – not hero worship !!
Tmabry
February 12th, 2012
3:02 pm
Wow,
tickets to the upper deck tonight are 76$. And people wonder why actual hawks fans are not at national televised games. I wish they would not jack up the prices so only heat fans who have a couple games a year would go to. Oh well….i guess ill be watching from home.
We need Joe and Jeff teague to have big games tonight. I wanna see BOTH attack the basket early. Josh just keep up the good d and drive the hole when you get a chance! I hope we see damp for a few more minutes tonight and use that size advantage. LETS GO HAWKS
Grandad
February 12th, 2012
3:20 pm
vava
” I would still use him for a few minutes
-in and out of the game-
with strict orders to shoot it every single time he is open
*and there is rebounding positioned* ”
Red Auerbach used Frank Ramsey the same way;
only your last statement;
‘`and there is rebounding positioned`’
that is an outdated statement, sorta,
which Red did not limit FR with that rule.
A shooter’s gotta shoot. When he’s open & ready.
When I had a great shooter;
I used to tell them;
“all they need in order to shoot is – the ball “.
I think LD has messed with V-Rad’s confidence a bit
since he arrived.
V-Rad has a very high B-ball IQ;
another reason I would have him in the game to close with a lead.
LD could learn from Red.
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BMills my guy
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doc
February 12th, 2012
3:29 pm
tmabry there is very little incentive to be season ticket owner either with the tiered ticket arrangement. next year i might just buy a few selected games and sit out the rest as we pay in a similar way and extras are exhorbitant.
Tin Man and Scarecrow
February 12th, 2012
3:48 pm
After reading Grandads logic over the past years and particularly his most recent posts. I see why he is a blogger and not a coach.
Grandad is your garden variety arm chair coach. Its further clear that he is not a professional manager in employment and that his understanding of the game and players ability is equal to Ouija Board Coaching.
Drew may not call all the shots Id wish he would call bet he’s running his offense, successfully, and utilizing the talent and talent levels presented to him. Talent by the way, he did not developed but Woodson did.
Grandad why dont you start with pee wee leagues and run your offense. If its anything like your mouth it will be popping. Then work your way up to the pros. If you game is that strong you will probably do like Josh and make the Jump right out of high school. Let me know when you coach on the high school level then I’ll lobby for you to get some college experience and then finally a pro shot. That should put us around 2056 AD.
Until then, leave the Princeton offense to Drew.
On a parting note, the players are flowing the instructions on the coach. If you don’t like the way Drew is coaching his players that’s fine, but quench your hate, bloggers, Josh is doing exactly what is asked of him and he does it well.
You cannot take some one off the dribble to the rack if they don’t believe that you will pull up and shoot it. Make it or not you have to make the opposition know that you will jack it. Otherwise you end up like Al horford with a 1-dementional game.
The offense that Drew runs prescribes that Josh does what he does.
Dont hate the player, hate the game.
Tin Man and Scarecrow
February 12th, 2012
3:50 pm
Josh is one of the best defenders in the game and Grandad is undoubtedly the largest consumer of marijuana in the state of Ga.
Tin Man and Scarecrow
February 12th, 2012
3:55 pm
*but he’s running his offense, successfully,
**the players are following the instruction
KevinM
February 12th, 2012
4:00 pm
In this offense, Josh spends too much time on the perimeter. Marvin slashing to the basket envy once in a while wouldn’t hurt either. Him standing behind the line watching doesn’t cut it for me.
Sautee
February 12th, 2012
4:22 pm
Hello, T-s,
Now that you are back, I’ll repost this in case you missed it:
“Sautee MC broke the story before Al was trying to kill his self while catching a ball under the basket. That would put the story somewhere between December and January”
That’s very interesting. Here a link to a very nice story on Josh at Hoopsworld:
http://www.hoopsworld.com/josh-smith-from-trade-bait-to-team-leader.
And here is an excerpt from that story:
“If there ever was a potential trade for Smith being seriously contemplated by the Hawks’ front office or a trade demand by the forward himself, center Jason Collins says he wasn’t buying it at all, chalking up that type of talk to being rumors or pure speculation.”
“Collins also noted from his viewpoint Smith has seemed happy in the locker room this season since the first day of training camp.”
Odd that Collins says that Josh was happy in the locker room since the very first day of training camp, but YOU say he and Al had “a locker room fight” in Dec-Jan. Which is total BS.
First, in the internet age, to think that there would be a fight in ANY pro locker room in ANY sport and NOBODY said a word about it is ludicrous. We hear about 100 times as much as we ever wanted to about sports these days, but you insist that there was a locker room fight (though you refuse to find the actual source BECAUSE THERE ISN’T ONE) and that MC reported it!.
Yeah right, like that wouldn’t have been headlining ESPN if it actually happened, lol.
Hint: MC NEVER reported a locker room fight. NEVER.
Why are you lying about this? Didn’t Horford’s miserable performance in the playoffs prove your point? Why make ish up?
Buddy Grizzard
February 12th, 2012
4:28 pm
“Kudos to Zaza who played the game of his life.” – KevinM
Cosign. Can’t wait to see what he does against Bynum. Not making any predictions about tonight.
lewis
February 12th, 2012
4:43 pm
All star game rigged
No Rondo and no Josh?
Najeh Davenpoop
February 12th, 2012
4:56 pm
“note – Josh is a poor fundamental defender;
aside from the (2+ blks) per game.”
No.
Old Man Peabody
February 12th, 2012
4:59 pm
Well Josh has a chance to go head to head with an all star tonight to prove his case.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
February 12th, 2012
6:06 pm
“Otherwise you end up like Al horford with a 1-dementional game. ”
Is there a dimension where “dementional” doesn’t mean crazy?
jhan
February 12th, 2012
6:56 pm
“Josh is doing exactly what is asked of him and he does it well” – I can just hear Drew at practice begging for Josh to dribble the length of the floor, dribble off his foot, gain control & throw it in the stands – all while Teague & Joe are waiting on either wing!. I’m sure Drew never tells Josh to give it to Teague so he can get it back and finish on the break.
Don’t get me wrong this team is toast without Josh. Let’s not exaggerate & say everything he is doing is by the design of the coach – please!!!