Hawks 89, Magic 87 (OT)

Orlando–Before getting to everything the Hawks did wrong while blowing a lead before pulling out the W, let me take a minute to point out something that’s pretty remarkable.

  • After a period in which it seemed as if the Hawks would never beat the Magic as long as Dwight Howard was around, it’s now to the point where the Magic can’t want anything to do with the Hawks. “I don’t think anyone in this locker room will ever forget what Orlando did to us in the playoffs a couple of years ago,” Marvin Williams said.
  • The Hawks seem to have solved the Magic riddle and it’s really something to see. This time the Hawks beat Orlando without All-Star Al Horford, Magic slayer Jamal Crawford and Dwight stopper Jason Collins. They have two centers who have proven to frustrate Dwight. They give Orlando problems with their size all over the court, which Stan Van Gundy noted pregame is what tends to happen to his team. They outplayed Orlando when it was small vs. small, too.
  • And now the Hawks win regularly in Orlando. Maybe it’s the new building. “Early on in my career the margin of defeat here was probably 30 or 25 points,” Josh Smith said. “Being able to get established here and be in every ball game of late, it definitely shows you the growth of this basketball team.”
  • I think that’s a perfect segue into all the things the Hawks did wrong after they took the 78-70 lead with 2:26 to play. The Hawks had four more possessions in regulation and each one of them involved lots of dribbling and no clear plan of attack. This came after three straight possessions in which Josh scored two baskets and earned two free throws by aggressively driving to the rim.
  • Jeff Teague actually shook free for a decent look that missed but only after a confused possession. On the next trip down, Teague rushed a 10-footer after a similarly scrambled possession. Joe Johnson then missed a challenged Iso jumper. And, finally, Josh missed a 20-footer after a timid attempt by Teague to run a pick-and-roll with him.
  • “I thought we had some good looks,” Larry Drew said. “I think maybe one play we just didn’t execute it very well. We probably lost a little bit of our aggression when they made a run, particularly off the dribble on the attack. I thought we kind of settled toward the end of regulation. You have got to keep your aggression.”
  • While Atlanta was squandering those possessions, Hedo Turkoglu and Jameer Nelson were easily getting to the basket for scores. And then Drew used some strange strategy on Orlando’s final possession of regulation.
  • Drew subbed Willie Green for Zaza Pachulia, who had done an admirable job tangling with Dwight. He also swapped Tracy McGrady for Teague and, anticipating a Nelson-Howard screen-roll, put Johnson on Nelson and Smith on Howard. Not only that, Drew had Smith and Johnson switch on each screen.
  • Nelson, not surprisingly, got by Johnson. That forced Smith to help, leaving Howard to dunk home the miss as there was no other Hawks player capable of sliding over to keep Howard away from the basket.
  • Drew: “Jameer had gotten away from us a few times and we wanted to try, if be in a switchable situation, we put Josh on Howard and put Joe on the ball so it’s a bigger guy to wrestle Howard into the paint area. I thought we did a good job with it, we just didn’t finish it up. You take some gambles. I thought for the most part our coverages were good.”
  • Smith: “We just knew that Dwight was going to come up for screen-and-roll and we didn’t want Teague rolling down on Dwight. That would have been just an impossible matchup to even contest if they threw it down low to Dwight. Jameer did what he had to do. Jameer got it up on the rim and no one came over to push Dwight under the rim and he got the tip dunk.”
  • Give the Hawks credit for recovering from that sequence of events to win even after Turkoglu opened the overtime with a 3. Joe’s runner and turnaround J were the daggers. Or at least they could have been if he hadn’t later missed on a bad iso possession, Smith hadn’t turned it over under the basket and Marvin and Zaza had made both free-throw attempts on trips to the line.
  • The Hawks won, though, to improve to 5-7 vs. opponents with winning records and 11-5 without Al. “I was a little concerned I thought our guys would come out flat for overtime,” Drew said. “They proved me wrong.”
  • Josh had 23 points but needed 22 shots to do it. It was his rebounding that carried the Hawks. He really did a good job sealing off the glass for 19 boards and got his hands on several other misses.
  • Every player has weaknesses. It just so often seems as if Smith’s twin bugaboos of suspect shot selection and looseness with the ball come at the worst times. And so it goes that he led the Hawks to victory at the same time he helped them nearly give it away.
  • “I was getting some play calls tonight,” he said. “I wanted to be efficient down low on the block. I think I did a good job with that. I took what the defense gave me tonight.”
  • Actually, he took what the Magic didn’t want to give him before being enticed into settling for what they wanted him to have. He also let Ryan Anderson get loose. But, in the final analysis, Josh was The Man. “When you see a stat line like that, it speaks for itself,” Marvin said. “Without him, we don’t win this game.”
  • Josh was done talking about the All-Star snub. He said earlier today it doesn’t motivate him but I don’t think anyone is buying that. Drew: “This kid has had a remarkable first part of the year. He just impacts the game on both ends of the floor. He should have been there. It’s unfortunate the voting went that way. He’s a guy who if he just keeps playing the way he’s playing, it will happen. They passed him up this year.”
  • Zaza was excellent: nine points on six shots, 10 rebounds, no turnovers. Like Collins, he figured out that sometimes the best way to defend Dwight is to back off a bit and let him start his move before poking at the ball.
  • Joe didn’t shoot it well. He was good when he made quick decisions and passed out of double teams.
  • Marvin played 35 minutes did what he should do: Make the open shots when the ball swings around to him. He also had six rebounds, three assists and no turnovers.
  • Teague (13 points on 11 shots) was in scoring mode most of the night. He played spirited defense on the ball most of the way (three steals) but his intensity appeared to wane down the stretch.
  • Tonight it was Tracy McGrady, Scorer (9 points on 7 shots). He spent a lot of time frantically waving for his teammates to throw him the ball in the post so he could abuse Chris Duhon and Quentin Richardson.
  • Erick Dampier had two rebounds in 1:46. He sealed off Dwight for both of them. That’s a successful debut.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

216 comments Add your comment

James

February 10th, 2012
11:31 pm

James

February 10th, 2012
11:32 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

February 10th, 2012
11:37 pm

“He also let Ryan Anderson get loose. ”

Maybe I’m wrong, but from my recollection, Anderson really only got loose in the 4th quarter, and a good chunk of that was against Ivan.

Adam

February 10th, 2012
11:37 pm

Joe Johnson’s MVP run continued tonight. He owns each and every one of you.

Zach Blend

February 10th, 2012
11:39 pm

Great team W!! Total team effort!! We never lost hope!! Big Damp did his job!! Let’s make the most of Sunday night!!

Reggie

February 10th, 2012
11:42 pm

The 2 minutes Dampier played was enough time to convince me that we don’t need Jason Collins anymore.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 10th, 2012
11:45 pm

The Bulls are the 1 seed. Why should we have 2 All Stars and them not? Why should we have 2 All Stars and Philly 0 if they are higher in the standings than us? I am not a fan of Iguodala’s offensive game, but obviously he is an elite defender, and Ron Artest has made an All Star game too.

Smoove was stupid for calling out the coaches. He also said this is the best he’s played but look at his percentages. He is digging himself a hole.

AND LD, CALL SOME DAMN PLAYS IN THE 4TH QTR.

ENOUGH ISO-JOE AND JOSH’S HIDEOUS JUMP SHOOTING

STOP TAKING JUMPSHOTS JOSH

Michael Gearon, Jr.

February 10th, 2012
11:46 pm

That’s right… ERICK DAMPIER, YOU SNITCHES.

LT

February 10th, 2012
11:49 pm

“Erick Dampier had two rebounds in 1:46. He sealed off Dwight for both of them. That’s a successful debut”

LOL!

High-Tech Lynching

February 10th, 2012
11:50 pm

Slimjr

February 10th, 2012
11:51 pm

Damp looks more in shape than Collins does just from the eyeball test! Hahah…

Slimjr

February 10th, 2012
11:53 pm

You cant go cold in the last 3:38 of the 4th and expect to pull these games out.. 9 out of 10 times you lose…I’m just saying…..

We need another scorer…..

Slimjr

February 10th, 2012
11:54 pm

Guess we could have used Jamal on a night like this to go up by 10 and seal the victory in regulation?

J.J.M.

February 10th, 2012
11:55 pm

damn they said blue ivy carter is jeremy lin daughter lmfao

Slimjr

February 10th, 2012
11:55 pm

Wish Josh had an NBA jumpshot for real! An Allstar shoe in he would be..(yoda voice)

High-Tech Lynching

February 10th, 2012
11:56 pm

Repost FTPB:

High-Tech Lynching

February 10th, 2012
11:37 pm
RCP [Rod from College Park],

In all fairness and since the Sixers are playing at a high level within the Eastern Conference, at least one Sixers’ player should make [or be on] the All-Star team. [Danny] Granger and/or Josh [Smith] should be on the All-Star team instead of Deron Williams and/or Carmelo Anthony.

Slimjr

February 10th, 2012
11:57 pm

Ms Carter sure looks top heavy..Awesome! Hahaha…..

dapluva!

February 10th, 2012
11:59 pm

We need to be confident and focused playing the heat sunday night. I think we can do it.

Kontract

February 11th, 2012
12:00 am

2 things of note: Hawks gettin stronger and Howard’s Magic dwindling.

doc

February 11th, 2012
12:01 am

brought over:

doc
February 10th, 2012
11:52 pm

iggy 13/7/5/2 is nothing to sneeze at on a team that has 6 scorers avg double figures. deng is 16/7/3. not that mush spread when you look at the totality of what a coach might look at. of those i say melo is the one who shouldnt be there even though his numbers are better but he is because he brings in the advertising bucks.

sadly i think and said this east team, within thirty minutes of the announcment of the team and josh got the short end of the deal, is very imbalanced as they have about five sf and josh is a pf. iggy is more a two than a three and choked the air out of jj with his defense.

i dont understand how they composed the team and that is where josh got shafted. melo got numbers for sure and a lot of street cred that i have always found suspect. when denver escorted him out of town and karl had the cat ate canary smile i thought right there melo was way over rated as a team guy. hibbert was there as was al in the past because there is no height in the east.

as much as i rag on josh it is because his flaws are soo overbearing and it just jumps in your face. rod i hear you though again i say, he shot himself in the foot at close range where he needs to stay on the court to become what i have long said he needs to be as a smash not the smoo sh!t i still cant say it. smoove is for a jazz player with a rhythm all his own and josh has none of that. now nique was flat out smoove. there is no glide in josh though he can flat out fly. i love the guy and when he brings it fine but sometimes a guy who is a year older than him and a rookie shows more interest in the game than he does and that just shouldnt ever happen. that never happens to say a kobe.

also rod, you are comparing josh to two hall of famers? comon man man. one, it was a different era and what was acceptable and two those guys as sorry as they were off the court brought it all every night as rodman avg 20 bounds and flat out took the other guys best on defense and crippled him one on one and not as a help defender.

sorry josh isnt quite there as they were every night full bore and i dont think josh is a shoe in as a hof but like jj and all though some may laugh when their full body of work is in and if they were to get to an ecf or two might end up in the hall.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 11th, 2012
12:02 am

“You cant go cold in the last 3:38 of the 4th and expect to pull these games out.. 9 out of 10 times you lose…I’m just saying…..

We need another scorer…..”

Maybe, but as far as this game is concerned, they just needed to stick with what’s working. As long as they were posting up Josh, they were maintaining their 7 point lead. As soon as they went away from that and went to the 1-2 screen to set up iso-Joe, the offense stalled.

Section 303

February 11th, 2012
12:06 am

I dislike Dwight Howard even more than I dislike LeBron and Wade. Love how Zaza just takes Howard out of his comfort zone.

The game never should have gotten to OT, win is a win. I was right there with LD. I thought the Hawks would come out flat in the OT. Marvin Williams hitting the tying 3 in OT was huge.

Officiating was awful down the stretch. Howard is allowed to illegal screen at will and Hinrich was mugged, setting up the Magic’s final shot.

18-9…not bad! Schedule is brutal this month. Every win counts.

doc

February 11th, 2012
12:09 am

MC:

Every player has weaknesses. It just so often seems as if Smith’s twin bugaboos of suspect shot selection and looseness with the ball come at the worst times. And so it goes that he led the Hawks to victory at the same time he helped them nearly give it away.

classic and what drives me crazy.

Slimjr

February 11th, 2012
12:10 am

ZaZa did a fantastic job against D12′…Hands clapping Sir!

Slimjr

February 11th, 2012
12:19 am

Lets face it Josh does not have to offensive firepower or polish to closeout games. Thats iso job…But I have to say this, the REF were terrible tonight..The Josh got fouled in the post by Richardson and the ball went off Josh near the end of regulation….

He should have went to the free throw line and closed out the game in regulation…

Sterns boys really wanted Orlando to pull it out with the no calls and phantom fouls…Brutal the Refs were….

doc

February 11th, 2012
12:21 am

meanwhile, jc2 shoots 2/12 for 6 points. much rather have willie green/kirk hinrich as back up 2 than that ish. so northcyde still posting him on his fantasy team? need sure things in fantasy league, consistency is key.

Buddy Grizzard

February 11th, 2012
12:23 am

“I think maybe one play we just didn’t execute it very well.”

I think maybe LD has no clue what went wrong or what the play was supposed to be or why he manages late game situations so poorly. I think maybe if it was SVG or Thibs or any number of coaches they could tell you down to the minutest detail what went wrong. I just don’t think LD is a good enough coach to do that.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 11th, 2012
12:26 am

From the ESPN comment section:

I think the most tiresome thing is SVG talking about “energy”. Every year, regardless of the players, its the same sorry critique. Honestly, I don’t think he knows what he is doing. That’s why Dwight wants to leave. He wants to play for a real coach

Sounds familiar, huh?

Buddy Grizzard

February 11th, 2012
12:33 am

“ZaZa did a fantastic job against D12′…Hands clapping Sir!”

Jedi Master Slimjr, that makes D12, Marc Gasol and Hibbits that Zaza has faced this month. Embarrassed he is not!

Katie

February 11th, 2012
12:39 am

I wonder what superiorblogman has to say about Josh and his play in this game…

He’ll still claim he’s the worst player ever! Lmfao!

Buddy Grizzard

February 11th, 2012
12:44 am

LIN-SANITY! 38 POINTS!

Grandad

February 11th, 2012
12:55 am

Najeh

“but from my recollection,
Anderson really only got loose in the 4th quarter,
and a good chunk of that was against Ivan”

Ivan only played 6 min. -the whole game-

Ryan Anderson had 21 pts; 9 rebs -with- 6 off. boards.

Kinda hard to blame Ivan for all that.

Grandad

February 11th, 2012
1:05 am

I shall say once more:

Tracy McGrady is our Best Post Player.

High-Tech Lynching

February 11th, 2012
1:06 am

I personally like the nickname “The Linja” for Jeremy Lin; [you] get it…ninja, Linja.

Grandad

February 11th, 2012
1:07 am

Tracy McGrady is our Best Post Player

Grandad

February 11th, 2012
1:08 am

Tracy McGrady is our Best Post Player.

-offense-

Grandad

February 11th, 2012
1:08 am

doc

February 11th, 2012
1:09 am

heh heh @ gdad, memory does funny things when compared to facts, eh?

drew sometimes just blows me away as with his comments about our last four possessions in reg time. man we were lucky to get out of there with a victory reminiscent of losses to the heat and bulls earlier in the season.

Big Lou

February 11th, 2012
1:47 am

You cant go cold in the last 3:38 of the 4th and expect to pull these games out.. 9 out of 10 times you lose…I’m just saying…..

We need another scorer….. Slimjr

No. We need better offensive play calling. They went ISO Joe, and then screwed up on a lob to end regulation. When they pass the ball around, they get open shots. It’s not rocket science. They do it ALL THE TIME!

11 day contract

February 11th, 2012
1:59 am

Grandad
February 11th, 2012
1:07 am

Tracy McGrady is our Best Post Player

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Co-sign

Tmac cant be stopped on the block. Longer than most defenders, good passer, still quick, asssortment of moves

11 day contract

February 11th, 2012
2:00 am

Very good win.

Nice 2 minutes of work by dampier

11 day contract

February 11th, 2012
2:03 am

Need to run a lot of offense through tmac when hes on the floor.

Huge contribution fom marvin

Buddy Grizzard

February 11th, 2012
2:15 am

“Sounds familiar, huh?”

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jerry

February 11th, 2012
2:53 am

Tmac has really suprised me. His post play is like a well established PF or a Center. He has a variety of different movres and is a master at drawing contact. We all knew he was a masterfull passer, but his post work is top notch.

Reggie

February 11th, 2012
3:15 am

Najeh Davenpoop at 10:54 PM February 10, 2012
How you like them Birdbrains now, Mike Bianchi? Josh Smith looking pretty good, huh? Hey Magic, since Dwight is gone anyway, how about you send him home to ATL and we’ll give you Horford in return. GO HAWKS
LOL… I went to Orlando Sentinel web page to trash talk and Najeh beat me to it…there sports page is terrible, they only had like 20 connents from the fans. Atlanta is where the best and most passionate fans reside…Rob Parker you sir are an idiot, just keep you day job as Skip Bayless’s spineless pet

hittman jamillion

February 11th, 2012
3:30 am

Because JEJE the bulls are a oneman band and the sixers dont have any standout players. It was obvious every tnt analyst had josh as a allstar unanimous not jj. But you guys dislike him so much you cant see the forest for the trees.

tyger

February 11th, 2012
7:20 am

So, what have we learned…

- Hawks can beat good +.500 teams on the road…
- Will lose at home, repeatedly…
- Recognize they have to play hard all the time?….

- All-star snub works in our favor…
- A pissed Josh is a more focused Josh…
- Josh needs to focus…

- Hawks still mentally fragile, can’t put teams away…
- This game never should’ve been close…
- Did not play smart down stretch of regulation…
- Need to focus on a “closing” squad…

-T-Mac more than a hood ornament…
-T-Mac shows up 2 games, 2 wins…
-T-Mac should “close-out” games, smartest player…

- Teague single-handedly threw the game away…
- He has no peripheral vision, once he dives, he dives…
- He cant “close” games, Marvin either…

- Outta be a good one in the “A” Sunday night….

Cwebb

February 11th, 2012
7:43 am

Hittman jamillion

Every tnt analysts had JJ as an allstar too. He is a guard btw… A lot of people act as if Joe stole a selection from Josh

BruceG

February 11th, 2012
7:46 am

What about Kirk!? Even Duane Ferrell was talking about how well he was doing and how he wanted to be in the game. Heinrich was a big factor leading the second unit.