Atlanta Hawks: Erick Dampier signed; Josh Smith snubbed?

Here is my AJC story on the Hawks signing Erick Dampier to a 10-day contract. Here is my other AJC story on Joe Johnson making the All-Star team and Josh Smith being left off.

AJC wise guy weighed in on the Smoove Snub. Now I will take a stab at figuring out if ‘Damp’ can help the Hawks.

Dampier is a big dude. Maybe he’s too big. He was last listed at 265 but, based on what I saw today, I’d say he’s at least 20 pounds north of that. (Sorry for the lack of visual evidence. I hate my phone.) I know the pool of free-agent centers is dreadfully shallow but Dampier never was the fleetest guy so now I wonder how effective he can be with the added weight.

The biggest red flags for Dampier last season were drastic declines in his scoring and rebounding rates. The two are related because Dampier didn’t grab as many offensive boards and so didn’t have as many putbacks. But Dampier still was effective when he managed to collect misses: His 1.1 points scored per possession on offensive rebounds (on 31 possessions) ranked 84th in the league last season, according to Synergy Sports Technology.

And Dampier may still have some value as a defender. His opponent PER of 14.3 last season was solid. Dampier’s Synergy defensive numbers were good: .83 points per possession allowed, 83rd-best in the league. Plus, let’s face it: At this point the Hawks just need a big body to plug in the middle so bigs can’t bull their way to the basket at will and smalls at least have an obstacle to navigate on their way to the basket.

The question with Dampier probably centers on whether he’s in good enough shape to approach those efficiency numbers now. It’s not a good sign when both coach and player say he needs time to work into game shape when he’s on a 10-day. But I’ll withhold judgment until we see Dampier on the court, which could come tomorrow vs. Dwight.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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11 day contract

February 9th, 2012
9:05 pm

Michael Gearon, Jr.

February 9th, 2012
9:06 pm

Use it as fuel, Josh. Turn it into something POSITIVE for the team.

Muahahahahaha!

Zach Blend

February 9th, 2012
9:08 pm

First. Damp wil be with us for 10 days (Orlando/LA) and then we’ll bring in more of a PF/C.

ag

February 9th, 2012
9:10 pm

I really think Josh should have been the All-Star for the Hawks.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 9th, 2012
9:13 pm

FTPB

“as long as the reserve voting is left for the head coaches, they will use it as a way to reward the type of player they would either like to coach or the type of player they want to lift up to young basketball players.”

Then the vote should be taken out of their hands. All Star selections are supposed to reward production. Doesn’t matter if Josh is only half the player he is capable of being, or if he makes more dumb decisions than someone else. If he is producing more than another player, he should be in the game, period.

There are valid criticisms of him, but none that justify Luol Deng and Roy Hibbert making it ahead of him.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 9th, 2012
9:13 pm

Stay at home and rest that injury, Melo.

Sherewshevsky

February 9th, 2012
9:14 pm

He’s a member of the bum of the month club.

prison mike

February 9th, 2012
9:17 pm

Ah well, time to concentrate my negative rage toward how scrubbish Damp will be these upcoming games.

Harpie

February 9th, 2012
9:22 pm

Josh Smith in no way deserves to be an ALL -Star. He’s had a couple of awesome games, and a whole bunch of sub -par games with horrible shooting, half -assed defense, and all -around bad decision -making. That’s not how an all -star player plays. He has the potential to be a perennial All -Star, but doesn’t seem to be interested in fulfilling that potential…

FMX

February 9th, 2012
9:24 pm

Josh doesn’t deserve to be an all star.Period. The coaches are building a team with the reserves and where exactly does smith fit on this roster. He has no post game and takes bad shots. I would rather have a good shooter taking long J’s than my PF. The league sees him for what he is. 8 years end and we are still talking about how good he can be if he gets his head together. Folks nearly a decade in the league. a zebra can’t change his stripes. If it came down to Smith or Deng are you telling me you take Josh? The coaches have spoken.

Ra'mon

February 9th, 2012
9:26 pm

Najeh, anytime defense isn’t mandatory for a game, Melo will be there! He won’t sit this game out, lol. Melo would more likely play this game, and then rest the next three games.

SteveW

February 9th, 2012
9:35 pm

I’m glad Tyson Chandler didn’t make it – the national media was really making a push for him.

All 4 TNT Media Analyst had Josh making it.

I don’t mind Hibbert making it – he’s not an All Star really be any stretch, but Dwight does need a backup not named Bosh.

Iggy and Deng I really question – Josh really could have gotten 1 of their spots.

Paul Pierce has missed some games, but the dude has been dominant at times this season, no problem with him making it either.

Good to see Jamal and TMac making some good tweets for Josh. I still think he may make it due to injury. Pierce, ‘Melo, Deng – maybe even Bosh – somebody you would think will be down come All Star time.

Cograts to JJ – 6 in a row! If Marshon Brooks doesn’t come on too strong, or Paul George – and if he stays healthy – he’s maybe looking at 7 in a row come next season. But let’s enjoy today – 6 in a row – is that the 1st time since ‘Nique? Or did Dikembe make several in a row – can’t remember.

SteveW

February 9th, 2012
9:41 pm

I know Rondo has been hurt – but you could make a case he got shafted as well. Only going with 2 PG’s and 2 C’s in the game for the East – but the starters at those positions are dominant.

JJ should see some good minutes behind DWade. I would guess JJ could also be a 3rd PG – Wade and LeBron can play some Point also.

Love to see Josh blocking a shot at the All Star game – he still may get in, let’s see.

Ernest

February 9th, 2012
9:42 pm

Like most fans, I’ll be watching closely to see what Damp can bring to the defensive end of the court. Assuming ZaZa can stay out of foul trouble, we only need 10-15 minutes from him along with a few good hard fouls. At this stage in the season, we won’t find anyone better than him.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 9th, 2012
9:44 pm

I know this is jumping the gun big time, but just saying… more than half the people with 7+ All Star selections are Hall of Famers or future Hall of Famers. I don’t think Joe is future HOF material, but that is some elite company if he manages to make it next year.

Ra'mon

February 9th, 2012
9:44 pm

Steve, I don’t think Mutombo made it that many times, because he had to go against Shaq, Ewing, Mourning, and Smits or Seikly (one year).

Najeh Davenpoop

February 9th, 2012
9:50 pm

Mutombo made 8 and Nique made 9… don’t know about whether they were in a row though.

Ra'mon

February 9th, 2012
9:54 pm

Yea, I think some of Mutombo’s were with Philadelphia

Ra'mon

February 9th, 2012
9:56 pm

I actually think the Hawks trading Mutombo was worse than them trading Dominique in terms of basketball sense. Dikembe earned a DPOY with Philly after he left.

Runner-

February 9th, 2012
9:58 pm

MC,

What happened with Fesenko?

Ra'mon

February 9th, 2012
9:58 pm

Najeh, 5 seasons ago, I didn’t think Dirk was HoF. But one wild run in the playoffs changes that. If the Hawks were to make it to the finals twice during Joe’s contract, with him playing at a high level, its quite possible. If D12 came here (which he won’t), everyone appears better than they really were all of a sudden. In my mind, Joe is just as good Joe Dumars was in his prime!

ASG Reads These Blogs...Really

February 9th, 2012
10:00 pm

Hey Gearon, Jr. Sell the Team!

Time

February 9th, 2012
10:02 pm

Harpie – You are a complete fool. Nothing more needs be said.

SteveW

February 9th, 2012
10:06 pm

Najeh – Another weird thing about JJ is he has a legit shot at being a 20,000 point, 5,000 rebound, 5,000 assist guy. Depending on how the Hawks do in the playoffs for the remainder of his tenure, that is approaching HOF numbers.

Not saying 1st ballot, slam dunk – not by a long shot. But the possibility exists, however remote.

Ra'mon

February 9th, 2012
10:08 pm

Though stats won’t show it, this has been Joe’s best season in my eyes. The timing of his plays have been priceless. When the team has only lost once when he scores more than 20, that says enough.

SteveW

February 9th, 2012
10:09 pm

Najeh – Thanks for that reference. I see JJ just equaled Sweet Lou Hudson on All Star selections.

EmirS.

February 9th, 2012
10:09 pm

ARE YOU F*C.KING KIDDING ME!?

Luol AND Hibbert made it ahead of Josh? What the f*ck kind of ignorant bu11s**t is this!? Yes Josh has his miscues. Yes we all get on him. Yes he is a pain the a$$. But DO NOT question this dude abilities as a deserving All -Star reserve! How the f*ck is Hibbert and and Deng better then Josh as a foward? You’ve got to be sh***ing me!

EDIT: Apparently it won’t let you post if you have to many sensory words. Eat that filter b1tch.

EmirS.

February 9th, 2012
10:15 pm

Oh and Josh Smith has better stats then Luol Deng while playing 4 minutes less every game then Deng. And Iggy!? COME ON! And i dont know if Hibbert is going in as a Center or Foward. NBA.com has him a Foward…..

SteveW

February 9th, 2012
10:18 pm

A writer – Drexler – on ESPN takes a swipe at Joe Johnson:

“As far as guys who I simply can’t believe got voted in? Well, that’s Joe Johnson.”

Ignorant.

SteveW

February 9th, 2012
10:21 pm

Hibbs is a C – and again, that’s the only way Horford makes it – to back up Dwight. But surely Josh could have made it in over Deng or Iggy. Can’t complain about DeRon, Pierce, or Bosh really.

And JJ is the 2nd best SG in the East, behind Wade. Glad the East didn’t do the 4 PG thing like the West did.

Section 303

February 9th, 2012
10:22 pm

Josh should be on the All Star team. How Deng made it ahead of him just makes no sense.

Michael, I assume we will get the pleasure of watching Dampier play tomorrow night against Orlando? If so, Dampier has 6 fouls, he better use 6 fouls. Just need him to beat up on Howard.

Harpie

February 9th, 2012
10:23 pm

Hey,Time: Stick in in yourear…

steven A.

February 9th, 2012
10:23 pm

Josh deserved to be an all-star ahead of Joe Johnson any day!!!

Harpie

February 9th, 2012
10:25 pm

Time: sorry, I meant stick it in yourear!

steven A.

February 9th, 2012
10:29 pm

Wasn’t Wayne “Tree” Rollins available for a 10-day contract? Jerome James? or what about Greg ‘THE SCRUB” Ostertag? Alonzo Mourning? Can we talk Shawn Bradley into coming out of retirement? Where is the creativity Mr. GM? Also heard Rasho Nesterovich is still available, LOL.

Melvin

February 9th, 2012
10:33 pm

Josh being snubbed would not be a topic if he becomes the Dunker that he’s blessed to be. I really believe Josh would’ve been voted in by the fans if he would play more like Blake Griffin than Rasheed Wallace. The fan votes is base on popularity. Josh would be more popular if he plays above the rim than shooting jumpers and his scoring avg would increase. I don’t think the coaches would deny Josh from being an All Star had he avg 18pts.

steven A.

February 9th, 2012
10:35 pm

This move just means the Hawks group simply wants to ride out this season in mediocrity. No serious playoff run. A 59 year old Dampier can not help you much. However, he is an upgrade over Twin “SCRUB” Collins.

steven A.

February 9th, 2012
10:38 pm

Josh Smith is not as “Basketball smart” as Blake Griffin. “Rollercoaster” Smith does not show up enough to be a TRUE allstar….

steven A.

February 9th, 2012
10:38 pm

Josh Smith STINKS as starter.

waltbellamy

February 9th, 2012
10:41 pm

Ra’mon – “Najeh, 5 seasons ago, I didn’t think Dirk was HoF. But one wild run in the playoffs changes that. If the Hawks were to make it to the finals twice during Joe’s contract, with him playing at a high level, its quite possible. If D12 came here (which he won’t), everyone appears better than they really were all of a sudden. In my mind, Joe is just as good Joe Dumars was in his prime!”

JJ = Dumars? Compare championships. Scoreboard. The Hawks have not made it to the CONFERENCE FINALS in almost half a century. This sort of foolishness confirms that a certain segment of the fan base accepts the BS that the moronic ASG spouts.

SteveW – “Najeh – Thanks for that reference. I see JJ just equaled Sweet Lou Hudson on All Star selections.”

JJ = Lou Hudson??? Not even close.

smgdh

Vino

February 9th, 2012
10:46 pm

Josh has the same attitude and passion toward the game similar to Kevin Garnett and he gets in what up mane?

EmirS.

February 9th, 2012
10:47 pm

“SteveW – “Najeh – Thanks for that reference. I see JJ just equaled Sweet Lou Hudson on All Star selections.”

JJ = Lou Hudson??? Not even close”

Calm down you are getting ahead of yourself. No one said that. Read:

[I see JJ just equaled Sweet Lou Hudson on All Star ******selections.******”]

There I even put six stars for you to represent how many ALL STAR selections both have received.

Your Welcome. :)

Ra'mon

February 9th, 2012
10:51 pm

Waltbellamy, Dumars never LEAD his team to the Finals or Conference Finals! Dumars never LEAD his team to the 2nd round of playoffs. Dumars played with two other hall of famers, and played FOR a hall of fame coach. You put Isaiah Thomas on this team, with Daily coaching, and I assure you they would make it to the finals also!

waltbellamy

February 9th, 2012
10:51 pm

F7 is spellcheck.

“Your” welcome.

EmirS.

February 9th, 2012
10:52 pm

Oh and that guy Drexler from Magic Basketball…well he writes for Magic Basketball. See the correlation as to why the hate for JJ?

waltbellamy

February 9th, 2012
10:54 pm

Dumars was not the highest paid member of the Pistons. JJ never lead anyone anywhere. Except while backing up to the pay window on the 1st & 15th.

EmirS.

February 9th, 2012
10:54 pm

F7 is spellcheck.

“Your” welcome.

If that’s your response to me then you should have just not bothered with the “Submit Comment” button! :D

Ra'mon

February 9th, 2012
10:54 pm

Dumars averaged 16 ppg, and 4 apg. Joe beats those numbers even in a down season. And Joe plays just as good of defense. But you couldn’t tell for the last 4-5 seasons because Woody and LD had him guarding the PG, instead of the 2 guard.

Ra'mon

February 9th, 2012
10:56 pm

Walt, Dumars was the highest paid player on the Pistons in 94-97, and those were only his 9-13th year in the league (i.e. Joe Johnson this season). If Joe played on the bad boys instead of Dumars, they still win 2 rings, maybe more. Dumars didn’t have the capability of breaking his man down off the dribble as Joe does.

waltbellamy

February 9th, 2012
10:59 pm

Continue following your overpaid hero to first and second round playoff exits. He is paid like an alpha dog and performs like the back of the pack. Console yourself with individual statistics that are “better” than the folks that win championships.