Lineup changes could be coming after three-game slide
Vivlamore at practice on Tuesday. Here is your report:
No real news on the Hawks continued search for a big man to help their depleted corp – but changes could be on the way in light of the current three-game losing streak.
In talking with Larry Drew following this morning’s practice, the coach said he is considering a number of changes to get the team’s energy back. It’s something he said has been lacking in the past three games.
“We are not going to panic,” Drew said. “This is not a time to panic. Is it a time for concern? Yes. My biggest concern is our energy. The energy I saw on that road trip, since we’ve been home I just don’t see that type of energy. That is my biggest concern.
“When you get in these types of situations, you’ve got to do something to generate some type of energy. You’ve got to find our mojo back. How we do it, we possibly have to look at some things a little differently and maybe shake some things up. As a staff, we are still talking it. I’m still looking at possibly doing that. We’ll see what happens.”
Like lineup changes?, I asked.
“That is always a possibility,” Drew said. “It’s not just losing the three games, it’s the way we are playing. It’s the energy. It’s the urgency. It’s the combination of players who are out on the floor, starters versus guys who come off the bench. I’ve got to try to find that combination. I’ve got to find whatever it’s going to take in order for us to get that swagger back.”
Stay tuned on that front. We’ll check in Wednesday morning before the game against the Pacers.
* I asked Jerry Stackhouse, who had his contract guaranteed after close of business Tuesday, whether there had been a team meeting to address the current slide.
“We’ve met,” Stackhouse said. “It’s kind of overdue, having a meeting and some sessions about what is going on. The fact that guys might think that they know, but might still have to be prodded and told what to do daily or even on a possession-to-possession basis sometimes. It’s not that guys don’t want to do it, it just has to be reinforced. We have to reinforce some things as far as our principles. I thought there were stretches [in Monday’s loss to the Suns] where we were better in some of those principles but as the game wore on we reverted back to not helping each other, not trusting each other and that’s where we go wrong. Once we find that and get a win, winning is always a cure-all when you are in the midst of a losing streak.”
* On the search for a big man, Drew once again acknowledged the team needs some help at the center position with Al Horford out and Jason Collins on the shelf for two weeks. Drew said there would be another meeting Tuesday to discuss the situation.
“There is a list and we’ve talked about the list but nothing has really materialized as far as a name that really gets us excited,” Drew said. “We are going to talk today, as a matter of fact, and go over some more names. Try to find a name that makes more sense for us, whether it’s a 10-day [contract], whether it’s a player like a Kenyon Martin that is still available, which I don’t think there is. Right now we are looking at the list and see what makes sense for us so we can get some help at the five spot.”
Columnist Jeff Schultz gives his take on the need for a big man.
* Look for my feature on guard Willie Green on ajc.com a little later and in Wednesday’s print edition.
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joeygt1
February 7th, 2012
5:01 pm
1st
joeygt1
February 7th, 2012
5:01 pm
being a longtime hawks fan is hard… they are so frustrating to watch…one game they look like championship contenders and they other they look like a lottery bound team..al horford being out has been harder for the hawks then expected bc while the hawks were winning it was against smaller teams..look the last thre games we have faced 3 bigger teams as in pf and the c postion and we got dominated.. sund we need to get a competant big in here pronto.. if not this losing streak with the hawks will get worse
Najeh Davenpoop
February 7th, 2012
5:03 pm
FTPB
“I swear;
If kirk and Al were not white;
I do not think they would catch half the crap, on this blog,
that seems to fly their way !”
Al is white?
Spyro
February 7th, 2012
5:06 pm
Hell, start Ivan at C. Reward the man.
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 7th, 2012
5:11 pm
“The energy I saw on that road trip, since we’ve been home I just don’t see that type of energy. That is my biggest concern”
Maybe, just maybe, it could be that the level of competition has raised greatly???
Najeh Davenpoop
February 7th, 2012
5:11 pm
The Hawks need roster changes, not lineup changes.
If they are going to make a short term lineup change, one possibility may be starting Ivan at PF and bringing Josh off the bench. Josh doesn’t like playing with Teague, the starting lineup may benefit from Ivan’s energy, and playing against backups may get Josh’s offensive game going again.
To be clear, Josh still should be getting starters’ minutes; just saying maybe switching the rotation up this way would change the team’s energy. Of course the risk is that the starting unit would be questionable at best at help defense.
The more obvious change should be to the rotation, not the lineup. Quit taking Teague out six minutes into every game.
Luke Cage
February 7th, 2012
5:12 pm
I got so frustrated with last night that I just logged off and went back to work, I believe Kirk should be behind Pargo for one thing. Saw where someone said that old man Nash played the entire 1st qtr while LD always takes Teague out after about 5-6min into the game?? His substitution pattern needs to change as well.
Luke Cage
February 7th, 2012
5:12 pm
oh yeah, SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!
MattP
February 7th, 2012
5:13 pm
It is funny seeing LD talk about finding energy. If you want energy why don’t you play the guys that bring the energy and care about the game more?
Nique's Revenge
February 7th, 2012
5:14 pm
Lineup change? New coach?? YES!
NBA quality coach this time, please.
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
5:15 pm
I finally realize some people are just obsessed with trivial chit like someone’s skin..You just have to ignore em…Move on like water under a bridge.. Let em take it up when they meet with their creator down the line…..YAWN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>{et al}
O'Brien
February 7th, 2012
5:15 pm
From Jeff Schultz new blog;
“We certainly need another big body here,” coach Larry Drew said.
Also, maybe therapy. It’s natural that after a stretch that has seen the Hawks trail by 20-plus points in three straight home losses, Drew is wondering where his players’ heads are at.
“As much as you don’t want it to affect your team players, it’s got to be in the back of their minds — it’s got to be,” he said. “Hopefully they can move forward and get through this.”
” I hope we’re not in a situation where some of these guys have hit a wall already because there’s just too much basketball that has to be played,” Drew said.
It’s nobody’s fault that Horford and Collins got hurt. But fixing it? That’s on Sund.
Yes, he’s in a difficult situation. But he gets paid for difficult situations. Doing nothing is beyond dangerous, unless the mindset of the organization is, “Well, let’s just try to make the playoffs as a No. 8 seed.”
Sund says he’s not opposed to making a trade. But he acknowledges, “Having a full roster and a full season would make that easier.”.
When the Hawks were rolling during the road trip, Sund said a player approached him and asked the general manager if he had any concerns about the team.
Sund’s response: “I wanted to see how we would respond when there’s a bump in the road, like a losing streak.”
This qualifies as a bump. We’re about to find out something. Prepare to cover your eyes.
It appears to me that Sund and LD are putting it all on the current players. The Hawks are showing some cracks, so the question is, will they stop the leaking, or will the walls come tumbling down.
O'Brien
February 7th, 2012
5:16 pm
For the record, It appears to me that Sund and LD are putting it all on the current players. The Hawks are showing some cracks, so the question is, will they stop the leaking, or will the walls come tumbling down.. was Me, not Schultz.
Luke Cage
February 7th, 2012
5:17 pm
Also I still see alot of times after rebounds Teague not getting the ball, Suns announcer Eddie Johnson noticed as well that we have too many guys bringing the ball up and getting into bad positions which results in bad shots or turnovers. I said it last year “FREE JEFF TEAGUE”, let him play.
lea
February 7th, 2012
5:17 pm
horrible idea najeh, I am GLAD you are not the coach of this team.
lea
February 7th, 2012
5:19 pm
And do you have any proof besides your opinion that josh doesn’t like playing with teague?
Astro Joe
February 7th, 2012
5:20 pm
LD threatened line-up changes last year during a slide. Who starts is fairly irrelevant to a team’s uccess. Rooyal Ivey once started for this team and sat down 5 minutes into the 1st and 3rd quarters and we never saw him again. Twin has started several games against teams other than the Magic and often follows the same pattern. Starting is only important to a player’s ego (or fans who don’t know better). Minute distribution is what truly matters. And given the personnel on this team, LD has few optiions.
flash
February 7th, 2012
5:20 pm
Jerry Sloan Anyone?
O'Brien
February 7th, 2012
5:20 pm
Guys,
I dont believe LD and his “lineup changes”. Remember last season, how he talked about lineup changes for weeks. And despite losses and blowouts, it took him a long time before he finally made a lineup change.
And that lineup change that he eventually made last year? Starting Collins at Center, Josh at SF, and bench Marvin. The lineup change should have been start Teague.
Najeh,
What are the chances the lineup change LD makes is to start Kirk instead of Teague?
Luke Cage
February 7th, 2012
5:21 pm
I feel Josh wouldn’t handle coming off the bench, he surely would demand a trade if that happens because he would take it as he’s the blame for the “bump in the road”.
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
5:22 pm
Pacers by 20…..Yawn…
Start Kirk, bench Teague Larry will…
Luke Cage
February 7th, 2012
5:23 pm
Starting Kirk should get him fired on the spot!!
O'Brien
February 7th, 2012
5:23 pm
AJ,
What do you think about starting T-Mac over Marvin? T-Mac is a better passer, and he might help get the offense jump started, since Teague is a scoring PG. And our offense has stagnated at times.
KevinM
February 7th, 2012
5:24 pm
LD:”There is a list and we’ve talked about the list but nothing has really materialized as far as a name that really gets us excited”
Heck no, what do you expect when your goal is to get a player with a 10 day contract. Stupid is as stupid does.
OB, Sund’s comments just floor me….how has he survived this long as a GM? It’s incredible to think that this is how he has operated for numerous teams and they’ve allowed it to happen.
And as usual, management not accepting any of the blame. Down 2 centers and here comes Indy and Orlando….is it me or is someone not doing what they are in charge of to do?
Sheesh………
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
5:24 pm
Pargo has got to get more minutes,This guy has ton of energy!!!!!!!!!!!
Pargo should off the bench in the 1st Qtr! Not DNP or last 4 mins of the 4th?
KevinM
February 7th, 2012
5:26 pm
T-Mac / JT / Josh / Joe / Ivan
Screw the former starters……they haven’t produced.
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
5:27 pm
“OB, Sund’s comments just floor me….how has he survived this long as a GM? It’s incredible to think that this is how he has operated for numerous teams and they’ve allowed it to happen.”
This guy has pictures or he’s a 32……
Najeh Davenpoop
February 7th, 2012
5:27 pm
“What are the chances the lineup change LD makes is to start Kirk instead of Teague?”
Haha, I didn’t want to be the one to mention it. That is a fireable offense.
“And do you have any proof besides your opinion that josh doesn’t like playing with teague?”
Just based on how I see them interacting with each other on the court, no proof.
For the record I am also glad I am not the coach of the Hawks.
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
5:29 pm
Larry’s new lineup:
KH/Josh/Joe/Marvin/Hands of Stone
Yawn…..
flash
February 7th, 2012
5:33 pm
Kirk and Marvin for Ellis and Udoh
joe kill
February 7th, 2012
5:37 pm
dude how do u know teague doesntlike playing with josh if anything teague and josh should flow well together becuse of teagues quickness to get to the basket and throw lobs for jsmooth the suns zone did give us fits last night though they just have to get better shots in my opinion move the ball around and get easy points in transition this three game slump is nothing to be considerened about the hawks will be fine.
Rod from College Park
February 7th, 2012
5:39 pm
The obvious and common sense moves all involve removing Marvin from the starting lineup. It should have been done 3 years ago. You either start McGrady at the 3, and bench Marvin, or you start Ivan at the 4, and move Josh to the 3. It’s really not that difficult. You also could start Willie Green or Kirk, at the 2, move Joe to the 3. Any of those changes make you a better starting unit than starting Marvin at the 3.
Cal Bowdlers 7th foul
February 7th, 2012
5:40 pm
I see Josh barking at JT and JT rolling his eyes. That looks they don’t like playing together to me.
MattP
February 7th, 2012
5:43 pm
IMO, Drew did a lineup change, and that is Hinrich taking Pargo’s minutes. The bench play so much better with Pargo playing along side Green and McGrady. Look at last night, Pargo and Green almost made a comeback with the Suns starters out there
TMACfan
February 7th, 2012
5:51 pm
Start McGrady for a game, I tell you now good things will happen. Just one game, that’s all I ask.
KBB
February 7th, 2012
5:54 pm
Teague has hit a wall.
SteveW
February 7th, 2012
5:55 pm
So Stack is fully guaranteed now? Interesting
Some sportscaster on ESPN 411 just made an impassioned plea for Joe Johnson to make the All Star team, even saying get your bags packed, because your in.
jhan
February 7th, 2012
5:57 pm
Hopefully he continues to play KH so he can be traded. The Hawks looked better when he was on the bench. Someone must covet his expiring contract if nothing else. I don’t think T-Mac will last too long getting starters minutes – better to keep him coming off the bench. I do like the JT/Joe/Josh/Ivan/Pachulia lineup for a change.
SteveW
February 7th, 2012
5:58 pm
This season all 15 East Coaches pick the reserves according to ESPN. Hasn’t the Head Coach of the All Star game done this before? I wonder if that will help or hurt Josh’s chances?
CP
February 7th, 2012
6:06 pm
Trade Kirk for a big.
CP
February 7th, 2012
6:07 pm
cosign: JT/Joe/Josh/Ivan/Pachulia
prison mike
February 7th, 2012
6:21 pm
Don’t know where benching Josh comes from. It’s either start Ivan or Tmac. Marvin has always had energy issues. He’s was a filmed jump roping during halftime trying to get his metabolism up.
Luke Cage
February 7th, 2012
6:25 pm
If Ivan starts then you get very TINY with the 2nd unit, who plays center?? Marvin??
crazy_88
February 7th, 2012
6:30 pm
Start Tracy at the 3 and let Marvin come off the bench. He’s had 4 yrs to prove that he was worthy of being the second pick in the draft and we all know that he hasn’t come close to living up to the hype. He’s the ” Kwame Brown ” of SF’s and what the Hawks need in the starting lineup is a legitimate PLAYMAKER !!!
Jeff Teague is like a young driver learning how to operate a stick shift. He doesn’t know how to control his gears and ends up driving at a 100 miles per hour when he should be doing 40-50. He has tunnel vision when he attacks the basket and doesn’t exercise enough patience to let the play unfold like he should. The rest of the starters don’t trust his decision making ability which is why Joe & Josh are always hijacking the ball from him.
I used to think that Joe Johnson was a decent playmaker and he’s reverted to jacking up tough fade away jump shots and runners in the lane that only connect 40 percent of the time. If a defender closes out on his airspace he doesn’t even use his dribbling skills to attack the basket anymore.
Josh Smith….where do we begin ? He’s cut back on launching bad 3’s only to shoot bad 2’s at the absolute wrong time of the game. He plays on the perimeter way too much when he should be running the wing and attacking the basket…
Tracy brings a level of calm when guys are trying to do too much..Joe and Josh do try to do as much on the own when Tracy has the ball because they know he is going to create a play that will lead to an easy basket or at the very least send one of them to the free throw line.
LD can still play Tracy 20-25 minutes per game…He just needs to have him in the game a lot sooner and he needs to be given more of a role in the offense as a play maker ..scorer..or both..
Add swingman depth
February 7th, 2012
6:31 pm
Phew! Great news that we guaranteed stackhouse’s contract. We are so thin at wing position. My lobbying paid off! Just need to add another swingman stack type or 2
And acquire ramon sessions from the cavs for our firstrounder, go hawks!
Jody
February 7th, 2012
6:37 pm
Anyone who watches can clearly see that Teague gets frustratex because Josh will rebound the ball and try to bring the ball up himself to make a “let me be the hero” pass that too often results in a turnover. I also see Josh deliberatly not swing the ball to JT in half court sets. Thats a problem folks. JT should be allowed to be the point guard without any resistance.
ntrigue
February 7th, 2012
6:40 pm
The lineup changes that drew is talking about is hinrich for Teague watch our coach doesnt have a clue!
MattP
February 7th, 2012
6:41 pm
ntrigue,
I hate to say it but that will be the change.
crazy_88
February 7th, 2012
6:42 pm
Solomon Jones just got released from the Clippers…not saying he’s a game changer but he’s 6′10 with 5 yrs experience in the league…worthy of a 10 day contract…..
MattP
February 7th, 2012
6:42 pm
We all know it is coming. lol
jhan
February 7th, 2012
6:44 pm
Josh will never learn – Nique says the same things every game about Josh. You know he’s telling him those same things to his face. Josh knows best – just ask him!
KevinM
February 7th, 2012
6:44 pm
Najeh, that stat about the Hawks having the least amount of fouls in the league tells you they are far from aggressive. And after watching OKC last night, it was obvious OKC is a very aggressive, charging team.
3 guys over 130 FTA this year…..we have? zilch
darrell starks
February 7th, 2012
6:45 pm
WHAT EVER CHANGE TO BE MADE, MARVIN SHOULD NOT STARTE AT ALL.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
February 7th, 2012
6:47 pm
STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, TMAC, JOSH, ZAZA
BENCH PARGO, GREEN, MARVIN, VLAD, IVAN
RESERVE CAPTAIN KIRK, STACK
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Admiral Ackbar
February 7th, 2012
6:48 pm
Where is MC?
ITS A TRAP!!!!
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
6:49 pm
Need more Forwards! at least 3 more……Yawn
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
6:50 pm
Pacers by 20…..
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
6:51 pm
We’ll take Leur….
The core
February 7th, 2012
6:53 pm
crazy_88
February 7th, 2012
6:42 pm
Solomon Jones just got released from the Clippers…not saying he’s a game changer but he’s 6′10 with 5 yrs experience in the league…worthy of a 10 day contract…..
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Would be a start, but he’s still a short 6-10 when we need 7 foot beasts!
Mark
February 7th, 2012
6:57 pm
You fans should not EXPECT SO MUCH. There is PLENTY of UPSIDE to this team. I mean you have Joe “Superstar” Johnson and Josh “High Basketball IQ” Smith. I wish you fans would understand that Rome wasn’t BUILT IN A DAY. Just wait when Marvin steps it up because he has plenty of POTENTIAL. Larry Drew does an EXCELLENT job, especially without Horford. I know we spend money, we have the SEVENTH HIGHEST payroll and we wanted to make sure that we kept our CHAMPIONSHIP CALIBER CORE together. Every season has its UPS and DOWNS. Hope to see you all tomorrow for CHIK FILA FAMILY NIGHT. Thats 4 tickets, 4 Sandwiches, 4 Cokes, and 4 popcorns for a low price to watch a QUALITY TEAM
Mark
February 7th, 2012
6:58 pm
Our goal this year was to win THREE GAMES in the SECOND ROUND because around here the key word for each and every season is IMPROVEMENT. We don’t really need a BIG MAN now because we have ZAZA and IVAN. ZAZA is BULLY down in the paint, don’t you see how he BLOCKS PEOPLE OUT WHEN GOING FOR REBOUNDS. You know he is tough, don’t you remember him BOWING UP TO KEVIN GARNETT. That is why we gave him another contract. L.D. is rapidly turning into one of the ELITE COACHES. He makes GREAT IN GAME ADJUSTMENTS and he GREAT ROTATION. I love how he allowed Josh to OPEN HIS GAME UP BY SHOOTING JUMPERS. This has allowed Josh to even be a GREAT AT SHOOTING FREE THROWS. Marvin should be on the ALL STAR BALLOT, because his game has IMPROVED through CONSISTENCY.
Mark
February 7th, 2012
6:59 pm
As my boss Gearon said, we have had MORE SUCCESS in the playoffs than any other team in Atlanta. Remember we are STILL YOUNG and have MUCH TIME TO BUILD OFF OUR SUCCESS. We may look like MUNCHKINS, but we have HEART OF GIANTS. With Josh’s INTELLIGENCE and BASKETBALL SAVVY, we have become a better team especially on FAST BREAKS AND THREE POINTERS. Josh is a 5 TOOL PLAYER. He can DRIBBLE, SHOOT, PASS, HARDLY EVER TURNS THE BALL OVER AND KEEPS HIS HEAD DURING GAMES. Why would you people want to trade him? You UNGRATEFUL FANS! Don’t you realize Josh is a LEFT HANDED LEBRON!
Big Lou
February 7th, 2012
7:00 pm
Lineup change? How about a coaching change? How about you take notes from the Falcons (Hawks cheep freaking owners) and hire some respectable coaches, instead of hiring a crappy coach from within — who also learned from a loser called: Mike Woodson?
Anyone with half a brain knows that Kirk is a defensive liability as of right now. Why is Pargo not getting more minutes?
Anyone who watches the Hawks constantly know that Vlad is a horrible version of Jamal Crawford(streaky shooter, and zero defense). Why is he even on the squad?
Anyone with common sense knows Ivan and Green needs plays called for them. Why can’t LD utilize his players properly?
Why does the offense get stagnant? Oh, let me guess… maybe because LD doesn’t know how to run the offense whatsoever. Even Josh, basketball IQ of a pet rock and part time ball hog, knows that good offense is just as important as good defense. It helps confidence. It helps with energy(gets the crowd involved). Also, why is Ivan and Teague the only guys who drive to the basket? BAD COACHING!
Yeah, the players are making stupid plays, and the Hawks desperately need a big man, but do you really think that fixing those issues would change the outcome again GOOD teams? No. Until they have a coach who knows offense, subs correctly, and utilizes his players efficiently, the Hawks will be an average team, at best. Heck, even the players don’t believe in LD anymore because of his stupidity, and stubbornness. That’s why they are giving up during games, and I don’t blame them.
The Falcons organization realized this, and fired some coaches, spending money on some top names. Why can’t the Hawks do the same?
Examples of LD’s stupidity last night:
1. Jeff Teague is ballin’ out the first quarter. How does Larry Drew respond? Putting Kirk in, instead of riding his starting point guard (like the Suns did with old Nash, and what happened there?). Nash start lighting it up on Kirk, getting the late three right after Joe Johnson’s — talk about a spirit killer. Why didn’t LD keep Teague out there until Nash was subbed? Oh, I’m sorry. That requires thought.
2. Ivan Johnson ( AKA: Ivan the terrible, Debo) is getting rebounds, and causing havoc against the Suns. So, how does LD respond? Oh, let’s take him out and put Josh Smith at center. WTF?!
3. Hawks keep switching on offense, which allowed the Suns to get open threes. How does LD adjust? He doesn’t. Well, until the end of the game when IT DIDN’T MATTER!
4. Suns go Zone. How does LD adjust? He doesn’t. He allows his players to play ISO ball and not drive to the basket(simple way to break down zone), which leads to a stagnant offense and making the comeback futile. Does anyone not see the pattern? It happens against all the good teams.
It’s not rocket science folks. Hawks win in spite of their coach. Do they make stupid mistakes? Yes. But it is up to coaching to fix these glaring issues. Well, that’s my rant. So, let’s just get back to crying for a big man, and picking apart our talent, instead of the glaring issue… Larry Drew.
O'Brien
February 7th, 2012
7:05 pm
Kevin,
We shoot alot of jumpers, and on defense, we’re not very physical (except for steals). That leads to not many FTs.
Rod,
Agreed. Josh, JJ, and Zaza are not going to be benched. And more than likely, Teague will not be benched either. I think the move should be start Ivan at PF, and Josh at SF. That way, both your energy guys are in the lineup at the same time.
The problem is, if you do that, then who comes in for Zaza when he needs a break? Or do you just slide Ivan to Center at that time? but then who plays PF, when Josh needs a break?
Starting T-Mac instead of Marvin is another option. He is a better passer, so that may get the offense going. The problem is, will that take away from Teague’s aggressiveness?
What about starting Kirk and Teague in the backcourt, and slide JJ to SF?
Ultimately, this roster still has too many flaws.
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
7:07 pm
“Anyone with half a brain knows that Kirk is a defensive liability as of right now. Why is Pargo not getting more minutes?”
Great question Big Lou? Somebody needs to ask Larry that yesterday!
He’ll probably start KH by the weekend at the point….
Retire Priest Lauderdale's number
February 7th, 2012
7:08 pm
Chris Kaman on this squad would have added 2 wins to our total, okafor 3 wins.
D league reclamation project, 1 win
Big Lou
February 7th, 2012
7:12 pm
“Chris Kaman on this squad would have added 2 wins to our total, okafor 3 wins.
D league reclamation project, 1 win”
Really? How so? The players are too busy chucking up bad shots, since we don’t have a coach that knows offense. Why does everyone insist a big man would really make a difference? It’s not going to help the stagnant offense, and horrible substitutions.
prison mike
February 7th, 2012
7:13 pm
Don’t even know what to say here. I didn’t think Teague posting 6 points and one assist was a Josh problem. It’s more like, going out on a limb here, a Steve Nash outclassing a young pg problem.
If JT played up to his averages, the team has a chance to win.
northcyde
February 7th, 2012
7:14 pm
Lineup change? Easy.
Keep the starters as is.
Ivan will be 6th man and sub in for either Zaza or Marvin. T-Mac and Green are nex off the bench. Kirk or Pargo plays the point in spot minutes.
End of rotation.
8 guys should be getting the vast majority of the minutes. All starters should be playing 30+ minutes nightly. Ivan should be getting 26 – 32 minutes nightly. Teague should get no less than 35 minutes. Marvin should get more minutes at the 4 with the 2nd unit.
Drew simply has to shorten the rotation and keep his most talented 8 guys on the floor as much as possible. And if you have to play JJ or Smith 40+ minutes, so be it.
It’s time we stop losing games all because Drew is giving unproductive bench players waaaay too many minutes.
Astro Joe
February 7th, 2012
7:17 pm
OB, as long as you ignore the fact that TMac has already missed some games due to his health and that we’ve read ad nauseum that he can only play so many miutes before he is at risk for more injuries, then sure, go ahead and start him. But again, I don’t personally view the issue being related to who starts the first 8 minutes of each half (TMac always comes in after those first 8 minutes). It could help in the short term, but no one should get all bent out of shape when TMac is forced to miss 2-3 games every 10 games due to one problem or another.
Injuries aside, he could remove some PG duties from Teague and allow him to focus more on scoring, but that may only tick off one of the captains who seems t be concerned about issues related to who is taking shots on the team.
Again, IMO, we’ve got chemistry issues and that can’t be solved by adjusting line-ups.
prison mike
February 7th, 2012
7:18 pm
Rockets sign a young center that is making 67% of his shots.
http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Greg_Smith/Summary/8805
Grandad
February 7th, 2012
7:19 pm
my little half a pea-brain didn’t know it ?
Astro Joe
February 7th, 2012
7:21 pm
One crazy approach might be to see what happens if he plays TMac and Marvin together for stretches. Like when we’re playing an opposing PF who shoots from the perimeter and the normal PF can’t seem to find him out there (ala, Frye and Bonner). Let Marvin check the perimeter PFs.
Likewise, Joe hasn’t played much SF this season…. maybe play Joe and Willie at the same time.
I’m not talking about starting line-ups as much as I am talking about combinations that should play together more than a token minute or two.
Wabe
February 7th, 2012
7:22 pm
Billups out for the season…
How bout dangling a guy like Hinrich to the Clippers?
Big Lou
February 7th, 2012
7:22 pm
“Lineup change? Easy.
Keep the starters as is.
Ivan will be 6th man and sub in for either Zaza or Marvin. T-Mac and Green are nex off the bench. Kirk or Pargo plays the point in spot minutes.
End of rotation.
8 guys should be getting the vast majority of the minutes. All starters should be playing 30+ minutes nightly. Ivan should be getting 26 – 32 minutes nightly. Teague should get no less than 35 minutes. Marvin should get more minutes at the 4 with the 2nd unit.
Drew simply has to shorten the rotation and keep his most talented 8 guys on the floor as much as possible. And if you have to play JJ or Smith 40+ minutes, so be it.
It’s time we stop losing games all because Drew is giving unproductive bench players waaaay too many minutes.” – northcyde
Wow. Thank you for having half a brain. I totally agree with you!
Al Horford
February 7th, 2012
7:24 pm
Deck chairs. Titanic. HA.
Astro Joe
February 7th, 2012
7:24 pm
prison mike, surely Nash didn’t “hold down” Teague to that performance. Sure, he schooled the youngster into foul trouble, but it has seemed like Jeff is confused about his role on the team. One game he is aggressive, the next game, he is passive. I’m not sure the right influences are in his ear.
doc
February 7th, 2012
7:25 pm
jhan, sent you an email. not sure i have your address right as i sent it to two and one came back. send me the new one if there is one bro..
Astro Joe
February 7th, 2012
7:29 pm
northcyde, shorten the rotation? Bloggers around here believe that 17 players should earn at least 15 minutes every game. Shorten the rotation? What are you trying to do, win games???
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
7:30 pm
“Deck chairs. Titanic. HA.”
Nice one SLB!
Rearrange the chairs while the freaking ship is sinking….Yea…..Wow..
Pacers by 25….Their front line will dismantle the Hawks….
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
7:35 pm
Hope Vlad will find his shot again and soon! Its desperately needed now….
The team shooting has been pathetic as of late. The offense has been brutal…Same as rebounding..Just getting hammered in that dept.
Grandad
February 7th, 2012
7:38 pm
Najeh
Al is white?
My attempt to show the donkridulousness of the whole
white / black / Al / Kirk / Pargo / Vick / Matty Ice / arguments;
that occur from time to time.
Some do not mask their predjudice;
which we all have, one way or another.
For example – I have a bias against our northern oppressors [yankees].
But new jersey americans are some of the nicest people I’ve ever met.
Conclusion = bigotry is dumb.
-note-
Al is neither black nor white.
He is simply a basketball player.
____________________________________________
I apologize for the interruption in important business;
such as trading Josh to find a Big Man.
I suppose I better start throwing in Kirk with my Josh trades now.
You know ….. for those teams that need a pg.
yodaddybrother
February 7th, 2012
7:43 pm
they need to sign that center that Ivan Johnson played with in the D-League….word has it they dominated every game en route to the D-League championship
prison mike
February 7th, 2012
7:45 pm
AJ, that’s the trial and tribulations of a young pg starting his first year. He’s getting used to how all these good to great pgs around the league do their thing.
Teague’s pg skills are remedial right now. He’s getting assists with guys making jumpshots. It’s gonna take more than half a season before he can get over the hump.
A point like Lin is getting his assists with drive n dish and lobs.
darrell starks
February 7th, 2012
7:46 pm
Somebody said shorten the rotation, you do that you have half of the team on IR.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
February 7th, 2012
7:50 pm
Tmac is a solid option to starte for right now or Green if Tmac not healthy.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
7:54 pm
darrell starks
February 7th, 2012
6:45 pm
“WHAT EVER CHANGE TO BE MADE, MARVIN SHOULD NOT STARTE AT ALL.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
Mr. Granger will show Marivn how to play the 3 spot tomorrow night..Its going to be down right brutual..
darrell starks
February 7th, 2012
7:54 pm
2 OPTION FOR THE HAWKS STARTING LINEUP.
1. TEAGUE, JOE, TMAC, JOSH, ZAZA
OR
2. TEAGUE, GREEN, JOE, JOSH, ZAZA
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
February 7th, 2012
7:56 pm
Slimjr Mr. Granger is beasting right now.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
7:57 pm
Oh the Flaws of Human Nature…He looks like me, he must be a great guy( antichrist)… et al……Blah Blah Blah….
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
8:02 pm
darrell starks
February 7th, 2012
7:56 pm
“Slimjr Mr. Granger is beasting right now.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!”
Yea the so call “Basketball Expert” chose that dude with the broke jumpshot (JChills) as a lottery pick over Andre, Deng, and Granger….We’re still hurting at the 3 spot 6 years later…
Thanks Mr. Bill….His decisions will hurt this org for at least 10 years or more….
KevinM
February 7th, 2012
8:03 pm
Prison mike, dead on about Teague’s assists….impossible to be impressive if those jumpers aren’t falling.
And as Barkley says, live by the jumper, die by the jumper.
We don’t need a big man in the middle; we need 2-3 big men in the middle…but Sund doesn’t see thatas critical for this team.
Big Ray
February 7th, 2012
8:05 pm
Lineup changes….
1) This is SO old, and SO retarded. I’m sick of hearing about Larry Drew and his lineup changes. Really, LD? That’s your solution to everything? Just change the lineup?
2) Lineup changes aren’t what is needed. Personnel changes are in order. What idiot does not know that? Oh wait….it’s the idiot who is collecting a paycheck that says “GM” on it….
3) Why did we guarantee Stackhouse’s contract? The man does not play. And when he DOES get on the court, he CAN’T play. We kept him for what reason? Seriously….taking up a roster spot…
4) I can imagine what changes Drew wants – Hinrich starting over Teague. Problem is, Hinrich has shown that he’s not even the guy he was LAST season, when he helped us get past a depleted Orlando Magic squad in the first round of the playoffs. Better off letting Pargo play….wait, did I just say that?
Donte
February 7th, 2012
8:07 pm
You can shorten the rotation all you want, this group of characters currently on the roster still isnt going to work out. Trade someone. Sign someone. Do something.
Get a couple big bodies who hopefully can grab some O boards off of all the bricked jump shots by Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, and Marvin Williams and pull down some defensive rebounds. That is about as good as we can get.
doc
February 7th, 2012
8:08 pm
i think it would be reasonable to see how josh and ivan can hold down the fort together. zaza can come off the bench and he doesnt need as much support behind him as ivan might playing with the backups. you could begin a three man rotation with those three like you do with al zaza and josh. let ivan take over the small center position that al essentially was.
Rent D12
February 7th, 2012
8:08 pm
I agree, start tmac and bring marvin off the bench for energy
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
8:09 pm
Prediction he will start KH over JT by the weekend if they lose two more by double digits and I’m sticking to it…
There’s his lineup change…
Rent D12
February 7th, 2012
8:11 pm
3) Why did we guarantee Stackhouse’s contract? The man does not play. And when he DOES get on the court, he CAN’T play. We kept him for what reason? Seriously….taking up a roster spot
Boggles the mind. Of all the things we need, signing a guy who only sees time in mop up duty
doc
February 7th, 2012
8:11 pm
yeah big ray, preach … why stack when bodies that canplay not folks taking up space in the frigging showers?
Donte
February 7th, 2012
8:16 pm
You can rearrange your poop by size, shape and color all you want and it’s still gonna be poop.
Additions and Subtractions needed
93 til infinity
February 7th, 2012
8:21 pm
Look,
This isnt about not having a center or lacking big players. The hawks lack a star player since nique was traded. It’s that simple. Stars are stars because of mental toughness to be consistent. Jsmoove is a premier athlete in this league as is marvin, but they both lack mental toughness to be consistent night in night out. They are role players so what do you expect?
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 7th, 2012
8:38 pm
Sund says he’s not opposed to making a trade. But he acknowledges, “Having a full roster and a full season would make that easier.”.
He doesn’t make trades regardless
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 7th, 2012
8:39 pm
What a bunch of losers.
They come up with every reason possible not to make moves.
We signed 74636 guards this offseason and e only “big” we got was Vlad who isn’t a ig
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 7th, 2012
8:41 pm
We will win tomorrow and LD will forget about makingmlineup changes. The only time Duck does not start is when Twin starts vs ORL.
LAC is smart not to get rid of Mo. He is a very solid piece.
FIRE SUND
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 7th, 2012
8:43 pm
Didn’t Sund last year say it was on the players to perform?
What a joke.
This front office comes up with every reason possible not to make moves.
Rusty
February 7th, 2012
8:44 pm
I think that LD might be one of the worst coaches in NBA history the man actually came in here talking like he would be good. He lied about everything. This man hurts this team,he is vindictive & lies all the time.I dare anyone to tell me he hasn’t hurt this team with all the crazy things he does.
Walt Frazier
February 7th, 2012
8:55 pm
Drew, along with Joe, Josh, Al, Kirk and Marvin, are riding this gravy train with the biscuit the wheels until they fall off! Although Drew has a coaching record of 2 Yrs, 60-47, .561 W-L%, he is just riding on the past success of former coach Mike Woodson, who coached the Hawks successfully and had a six year winning record with the team poised for playoff seeding. But Sund was too cheap with after firing Woody, to acquire a more capable and experience coach. This Atlanta Hawks team basically could have run itself with a player/coach on automatic. Larry Drew is just a body in a suit that doesn’t make waves and is a company man that does what his stupidvisor, excuse me; I meant Supervisor (boss) wants him to do-even down to the allocation of player’s minutes. He allocates minutes commensurate with players salary. Look at the current salary structure. This team is in trouble and will be glad just to make the 8th seed. They’ll argue that it’s about getting to the dance; that the regular season means nothing. Yeah, right. Then don’t win any more games and maybe you can get a decent draft pick in June. Oh, but I forgot, the Hawks will mess that one up like they always do.
The best thing that could happen to this team is to TRADE JOSH SMITH. With Joe-you have limited choice, but you can trade Josh Smth while he has upside value, and the Hawks can get something for him. That’s the only way I see that you can possibly get a big from some other team. It may not be Dwight, but a Zack Randolph will do. Throw in Marvin while you’re at it. Joe and Al are the only Hawks players who are under salary contract until 2015-16. Everyone else, according to my limited knowledge, including Josh, hasn’t been extended beyond the 2012-3 season. The rest of the Hawk’s roster are made up of bargain basement trinket washed up should’ve been long retired acquisitions; these younger players don’t need no old heads like Stackhouse trying to coerce them into playing hard or smart; they know what to do. Look at OKC. Think about it. The Hawks are basically in a rebuilding mold whether you want to admit it or not. Mark my words. Just look at those salaries. That’s why Teague is playing less minutes regardless of how Kirk Hinrich is playing. Kirk’s at the end of his contract, and WE SHOULD NOT RESIGN HINRICH. Will Drew get a contract extension with the Hawks? I think not. He’s making a million less than Teague-so you know he’s hatin on that.
Meanwhile, Josh does like to bring the ball up, but so does Al Horford when he was healthy. When I see other players are also bringing the ball up, I know that Drew has little control of his players, other than taking minutes away. You think fans don’t care? Hawks players don’t care either. They are getting paid, regardless. Just look at their body language. They are thinking what they are going to get at the grocery store to snack on when they leave Phillips while on the free throw line. I blame Larry Drew for this because he is supposed to have the kind of control and respect of the players that he doesn’t have. I think the Hawks management is idiots. I never hear anything about Sund about shaking things up in the coach’s arena. How about promoting Nick Van Exel to coach and fire Drew? Let him go. He’s done. His resume is thick enough. Send him elsewhere to get employment. Hiring Van Exel is good for many reasons. One, he’s young, and can relate to the younger players. Secondly, he was a successful point guard in the NBA and was a better player than Drew. The old saying “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water”- should say “toss the baby with the bath water, dirty diapers and all”.
Dawg
February 7th, 2012
8:57 pm
Let’s go with the big lineup. Oh I forgot, we have no big lineup.
Sund is horrible.
Arthur Blank™ ✔ Verified Account
February 7th, 2012
9:01 pm
Matt Ryan > Josh Smith
Arthur Blank™ ✔ Verified Account
February 7th, 2012
9:02 pm
Home Depot > Chick-Fil-A
yodaddybrother
February 7th, 2012
9:08 pm
I think the constant lineup changes hurt the team.
If you wonder why the team is inconsistent it goes back to having inconsistent playing time. Larry Drew needs to realize he isn’t the Zen Master or Greg Popovich or even Larry Brown.
Stop messing with the rotation and give the players consistent minutes. You don’t yank starters when they make a couple of mistakes…let them play through it.
Also even though we are short on players stop making the players switch positions for long periods of time. Marvin is not a 4 and Josh Smith is not a 5, T-Mac is not a PG, Kirk Hinrich is not a SG, Vlad Rad is not a 3. Quit messing with the lineup. His rotation is so out of whack but he expects consistency from his roster??? That’s just loony.
Don’t start Teague and before he breaks a sweat Kirk Hinrich is in the game. Don’t bench Josh Smith 90 seconds into a quarter. Don’t leave Joe Johnson out there with the scrubs. Don’t put Willie Green and Vlad Rad in when we’re down 20 and expect them to bring us back.
Quit going to the media talking about lineup changes. Name the 5 starters, let the start for the rest of the season and be the end of it. Whether we win or lose, that’s consistency. You don’t see Philly juggling minutes every night. You don’t see the Pacers changing the starting lineup every night.
Teague, JJ, Marvin, Josh, Zaza
backups; Hinrich, Green, T-Mac, Vlad & Ivan Johnson
When Josh comes out, Vlad goes in
when Marvin goes out T-Mac comes in.
AND THE NUMBER ONE THING…..STOP USING THE WORD “ENERGY’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Build around Hinrich
February 7th, 2012
9:13 pm
MC or cviv: When are we going to sign kirk to a multi year deal?
Nahila
February 7th, 2012
9:21 pm
It might cost more but to get into the playoffs why not go after Shaq O’Neal even if he is in half way playing shape for 16-20 minutes a game? he would still be better than the Bigs on the proposed short list even if he was at half speed.
bowlin
February 7th, 2012
9:22 pm
Sandusky > Al horford
Section 303
February 7th, 2012
9:33 pm
The only lineup change I see would be Ivan for Zaza. It’s not like any other starter has been outplayed by a backup.
Not sure I even want the Hawks to make a move. Nothing but trash left anyways. Unless it is a trade, for a legit big man, why bother?
I would be open to Soloman Jones. I did not think he played that badly while with the Clippers. He has added some good weight. He’s always been physical. If he can be had for dirt cheap, might be worth it.
No need going into the luxary tax for a big guy that is not good.
Zac
February 7th, 2012
9:35 pm
Why did McGrady not play in the 2nd half last night against the suns?
MattP
February 7th, 2012
9:49 pm
“Why did McGrady not play in the 2nd half last night against the suns?”
Because Drew gave up.
The core
February 7th, 2012
9:57 pm
One of the reasons kirk is playing could be because we might still trade teague in a blockbuster to rebuild the franchise
Rev in Tampa
February 7th, 2012
10:06 pm
I’ve noticed that C-Viv seems to get the players talking about stuff they normally do not talk about. I also like the way C-Viv gets the juicy quotes from the players and Drew. (Actually Drew’s comments are more like an overcooked side of cheap beef, but C-Viv still prods him to say something new).
I am saying nothing negative about MC. I’m one of his biggest fans. I like MC’s thoroughgoing knowledge of the game of basketball and his perspective that he brings with every article. Just saying that I like the change of pace. I’m sure my congregation likes it when I’m gone and they get to hear somebody different from time to time.
BTW, the ARTHUR BLANK VERIFIED ACCOUNT brought a smile to my face after a long evening of deacons meetings. Very original and funny. I enjoy seeing people’s creativity.
Admiral Ackbar
February 7th, 2012
10:06 pm
IVAN JOHNSON TO THE ALLSTAR ROOKIE GAME!!!!!
ITS A TRAP!!!
Rev in Tampa
February 7th, 2012
10:09 pm
The “BUILD AROUND KIRK HINRICH” posts are also original and funny and ‘butt-stupid’.
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
10:11 pm
“We are not going to panic,” Drew said. “This is not a time to panic. Is it a time for concern? Yes. My biggest concern is our energy. The energy I saw on that road trip, since we’ve been home I just don’t see that type of energy. That is my biggest concern.”
How bout six games into the month at 0-6? Next 3= Indiana, loss Magic, probably Miami,very likely.. Still calm? Going to make lineup changes, like starting KH over JT? Yep…..What about playing that energy guy Pargo more minutes..No?
Can you say free falling?
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
10:14 pm
Rev, SLB is on a roll tonight? Hahaha………
Nash 18/11 tonight on his 38th Birthday against the Bucks in a win!
Grandad
February 7th, 2012
10:15 pm
Here’s the deal;
LD was coasting along, doing a nice job, growing with the job;
then he hits a bump in the road … no big deal … but nooooooooo,
LD freaks out, hears a little criticism, Josh mouths off,
contradicts the HC …..
and now ;;; LD feels he must do ‘`something`’ ; ‘`anything`’.
This is where a Real Coach with:
*experience and more importantly *self esteem,
and yet even more imporant a huge ego;
takes the Bull by the horns and goes into ‘`F U mode`’
declaring:
`’ I’m in charge … everything is gonna be – just fine `’
Now shut up and get back to work !!
I doubt LD ever coaches long enough to reach that plateau.
Once a Coach reaches that point of establishment;
and only then,
does he become a master at his profession.
Words of wisdom by G-dad.
disclaimer:
*[yes, I am a bit self-assured & yes, I coached the very same way]
My opponents, administrators, A.D.s, the officials
and numerous other groups of people saw me as very dificult
to get along with.
Which I saw as a compliment. (sort of)
The point is LD can’t be Mr nice guy;
he has to be an ass-hole if he wishes to succeed in his line of work.
-IMO-
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 7th, 2012
10:17 pm
This idiot front office signed a bajillion guards this offseason AND IGNORED PLAYERS’ REQUESTS FOR MORE SIZE.
They wait til all the good players are signed then THEY DON’T MAKE ANY TWEAKS TO THE CORE THAT WILL GET IT OVER THE TOP.
Rick Sund, Gearon, etc… You are all a pathetic joke. Sell the team/resign and get out of this city.
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
10:23 pm
Guess Joe Papa must have been a piece of work to last 46 years in ‘`F U mode`’? lol
The end wasn’t to kindly..Guess Karma kinda evens the playing field in life..
Ask the Patriot coach..
brigadierjerry
February 7th, 2012
10:27 pm
Walt Frazier,
Your post is spot on. What coach allows multiple players to bring the ball up the court other than a capable guard that can actually dribble the ball?What is Horford or Smith doing bringing the ball up?That is on Larry Drew. Teague needs to bring it up no questions asked. Only time Josh or Horford needs to dribble the ball is if they are the end of a fast break.
I have said this before and will say it again, if Hawks had another coach against the Bulls last year such as Tom T, Adelman, heck even Kevin Mchale or Scott Skiles I think Hawks win the series.
Drew doesnt command respect. He doesnt. He is a the person who u tell to keep the food on the grill from burning so the correct person can come back and finish the job
Grandad,
I agree with you that I feel a move needs to be made. This team has peaked. I think new blood needs to come in . I would be even happy to call this season if it spirals badly a wrap. Maybe it would take a beatdown in the playoffs by one of the young teams such as Indiana or Philly for them to blow it up. I really done know.
Management needs to decide if they do not want to compete than just admit it and blow it up. If you do than make changes to reflect that. The fans are not stupid
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
10:28 pm
Charlotte Fans must be pulling their hair out? Lost their 12th in a row….!@#$%^&
If the Hawks slide to #6 in a row on the negative side, guess you guys will be pullin your hair out too? Hahaha..
The core
February 7th, 2012
10:32 pm
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
10:14 pm
Rev, SLB is on a roll tonight? Hahaha………
Nash 18/11 tonight on his 38th Birthday against the Bucks in a win!
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Phx is a good ball club and great front office.
Maybe the best trade last year, aging, past it point forward (turkoglu) for a franchise center (gortat)
The core
February 7th, 2012
10:39 pm
Josh childress 0 pts but 12 boards off he bench in limited action. Phx getting well on eastern conference
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
10:41 pm
Yep, down 3 BIGS and the Suns have 3(7) footers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you kidding?
Sund= “I see STARS”…………………..silence…………….The End(2001 A Space Odyssey)
Grandad
February 7th, 2012
10:41 pm
If LD feels the need to change the starting line-up;
go for it:
Offense:
*[1] Teaguer [b u / kirk]
*[2] Willie Green [b u / Kirk]
*[3] Ivan Johnson [b u / Josh]
*[4] Zaza [b u / Josh]
*[5] T-Mac
Defense: (3 – 2)
Green & Teaguer @ the guards
Ivan & Zaza on the baseline
** T-Mac at the point drop position [backed by V-Rad]
*** Defensively Joe could back up the point or either guard.
*** Offensively he could back up all five positions.
____________________________________________
what I would do;
If I wanted to shake things up.
____________________________________________
If you wish to shake things up;
you should be saying to yourself;
I’m gonna piss off somebody !
Otherwise, why bother ?
Also why bother pissin’ off the bench guys ?
You may as well do your job with the ones who count.
Rusty
February 7th, 2012
10:49 pm
Grandad LD having a chance of being a good coach is as likely as the falcons,hawks & braves being champs in the same season.
Grandad
February 7th, 2012
10:53 pm
oh yeah
my idea of shakin’ thangs up
9 man rotation
sorry Marvin / odd man out
The core
February 7th, 2012
10:57 pm
Gortat is avg 14 & 10 a game, all star numbers. Phx got him for turkoglu and jrich.
Teams will give up franchise centers and may even take a bad contract Sund!
SteveW
February 7th, 2012
11:06 pm
I didn’t know the Coaches votes for All Star Reserves had to be in yesterday afternoon according to Sekou. Aschenburger at NBA.com and Sekou both have JJ making it, and Sekou also has Josh making it. Marc Stein says only Josh from the Hawks, while ESPN 411 says JJ is in.
Should be interesting. Again, I hope they both go. Big push to have Iggy go, since you need somebody from a team with one of the best records – same with Roy Hibbert or Granger – maybe one, but not both go.
SteveW
February 7th, 2012
11:08 pm
Core – What has happened to J Rich? That dude was a baller until he got to Orlando – I mean he was just below All Star level – he has just collapsed in Orlando. I wonder what has happened?
kwooden1
February 7th, 2012
11:16 pm
I think LD is trying to find a way to start Ivan, but if he does that tomorrow night it means putting Josh on Hibbert. Josh never does well guarding quality centers. I’m not sure what line-up changes he’s thinking but it seems the energy level goes bad during the game, not at the start. I think LD and the staff clearly need to look at themselves and do a better job of substituting during the game. It’s easy to look at film of a game and see the problems and think of solutions. Its much harded to figure things out during the game, or much harder for them. They need to have better 2-3 man combinations ready to go and know when to use them.
GO HAWKS!!
Keeping it Real
February 7th, 2012
11:17 pm
When you have the lowest paid coach in the NBA you get what you pay for. Drew is Woody light.
SteveW
February 7th, 2012
11:21 pm
East All Star Reserve possibilites, besides Josh and JJ:
Granger, Deng, Iguodala, Jennings, DeRon, Rondo, Peirce, Hibbert, Bosh, Lou Williams – surely no KG this year.
That’s 12 guys vying for 7 spots. Bosh and Pierce are shoo-ins in my opinion. 5 spots left.
If you go by record, I think that leaves DeRon and Jennings at Home. The All Star game weighs heavily to winning teams.
You now have 7 spots for 5 guys – some folks are throwing Kyrie Irving in the mix – but I think wait until next year for him. He’s really good – but the Cavs are pretty bad.
Chicago has the best record – they deserve two guys – let’s put Deng in. I’ve changed my mind since the other day.
Got to put Iggy ahead of Lou, that D fantastic by Iguodala. So he’s in.
If you gotta put somebody from Indy in, I say Hibbert over Granger. You could make the argument the other way of course, really on all these picks.
Now you have 2 spots for Rondo, Josh, and JJ left. Hmm, I’ll take the Hawks players, but it’s not up to me of course. We’ll see what happens.
tyger
February 7th, 2012
11:21 pm
- I knew February would make or break this team…
- Without Horford, crew abandoning ship…
– 0-3 for the month and no heavy hitters yet…
– Now comes the Heat, Magic, Lakers…
– No leadership whatsoever from our Lil’ 3…
- Jury is in, verdict: Marvin is a bust…
– More minutes, shots, opportunity, he has withered…
– Has the physical attributes, but 10/5 mini-mid-level guy…
- Kirk Hinrich hasn’t bolstered chemistry or second unit…
– Teague’s reverted after couple of good spurts…
– 6′10 Radmanovic plays 5′10…
- Short season limits moves, but this team going nowhere..
– Celtics, Sixers, Heat, Bulls, Magic, Pacers (Hawks, Bucks, NYK) for 7/8th spot…
- JR Smith can score on anybody, anyday, anywhere..
– Randolph Morris is a true center that knows team…
SteveW
February 7th, 2012
11:24 pm
Minny could use a 2, to develop Ellington – so ship them Hinrich for Brad Miller and Tolliver if they would do that. ASG would like it, because both of them combined are cheaper than Hinrich.
Did Pargo get guaranteed like Stack? I haven’t heard.
hawks fan down under
February 7th, 2012
11:26 pm
LD talks the talk but when it’s time to walk the walk the dude barely crawls.
love to see Ivan start.but theres more chance of seeing kirk start.
SteveW
February 7th, 2012
11:28 pm
Randolph Morris, Keith Benson, Solomon Jones – Man we are scraping aren’t we. I’d feel better if we got any of those 3 at this point, just to help a few minutes per game. Did Pryzbilla sign somewhere yet? Wonder if Dampier is in any type of shape? Fesenko? Gadzuric?
Grandad, get Ajinca over here from France quick!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 7th, 2012
11:31 pm
Steve,
There should not be any 76ers on the All Star team. Lou is great but doesn’t even start.
It is painful watching Iguodala on offense. He gets away with so many carries too
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 7th, 2012
11:33 pm
MAKE A TRADE
WE NEED A BIG
TRADE HINRICH. PARGO IS A SOLID BACKUP
AMNESTY ASG
SteveW
February 7th, 2012
11:33 pm
Let’s see, 9 man rotation:
TMac 1st off the bench, with Ivan.
Then Green and Hinrich or Pargo.
Yea, go with that awhile and see what happens. You can always play VladRad at 4 if foul trouble develops, or even Marvin for that matter. Problems with both at the 4, but do we have anybody else right now?
Off branch of your very good suggestion Northcyde.
SteveW
February 7th, 2012
11:36 pm
JeJe – I understand, but you’d think somebody from the Sixers should get in based on their record.
Coaches vote – I think that means JJ is in, but we’ll see. Maybe Josh also.
Slimjr
February 7th, 2012
11:53 pm
0-7? up next Pacers, Magic, Miami, Da Lakers! Oh shoot…I cringe at this potential !@#$%^, right before the AllStar weekend? Ouch!
Pacers beat Utah tonight and look solid doing it! 17-7 now!
Grandmaster JeJe (GM)
February 7th, 2012
11:57 pm
Slim,
I said not to be surprised if we win 2 games this month.
I think we win tomorrow because then LD will forget about changing lineup.
SSDY
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
12:04 am
We’ll see….
BTW, Monte Ellis has 37 points with 8:16 left in the freaking 3rd Quarter..This dude may go for 60?
OKC has no answer for him….
A beast at the 2 guard…
prison mike
February 8th, 2012
12:07 am
Just rewatched the game and I don’t see “teague struggled becaused of js”. Teague sucked because he played like ish, not beneficial ish like cow manure but ish that comes from pigeons.
All in the 2nd quarter-
Josh was 90% the reason the hawks cut it back form 16 to 4 point deficit in the 2nd quarter. From rebounds and creating his own fast break for others which is of course is very hit or miss to battling both gortat and their twin with good post defense to getting to the free throw line.
Kirkland playing stupid defense on nash trying to poke it from behind giving him an easy layup to playing undisciplined full court defense allowing nash to hit a buzzer beater.
Zaza also misses shots getting block consistently and getting abused on the boards to allowing easy post fgs not just the 2nd quarter but the whole game.
All in all people will see what they want to see. I’ll give js hell when he plays dumb but this was bewildering.
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
12:08 am
40 with 7 mins left in the 3rd…
Hawks Fan Down Under
February 8th, 2012
12:08 am
No way Josh makes the all-star team….simply no way.
JJ shouldn’t make it either, he only plays well against bad teams. Goes missing against top shelf.
Prefer Iggy and Jennings really even though Jennings is up and down like JJ
But anyway these are the same coaches that put Al Horford into 2 all star games so I dont take their opinions that seriously anyway.
PS I like Al but he’s value is for some reason inflated. He’s a good, not great, player..
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
12:10 am
Monte is destroying Westbrook! Wow!
Rev in Tampa
February 8th, 2012
12:39 am
slim,
Thanks for the heads-up on the OKC-GS game. GS is fun to watch tonight.
Grandad
February 8th, 2012
12:44 am
SteveW
If Ajinca were available; *[can or could get out of his contract]
he would be our starting Center right now !
Rev in Tampa
February 8th, 2012
12:59 am
Monte! WOW!
Grandad
February 8th, 2012
1:10 am
On Feb 19th Byron Mullens *restriction expires
*[cannot be traded in combination with another player]
So, on Feb 19
We send Hinrich to Charlotte (along with our [ATL] 2nd round pick)
Hawks obtain Boris Diaw & Byron Mullens
Charlotte’s motivation:
*tanking the season
*exp contract for exp contrct = they save MJ a couple of $ KH < BD
*they retrieve a 2nd round pick [they gave up for Mullens]
** we may have to insert PHX 2nd round pick, instead of ours
***they may want both 2nd round picks;
-Mullens better than anyone we would waste our pick on anyway-
*Hawks get -two- serviceable Bigs for remainder of season !
*Mullens could develop into a starter with promise !
*It would make -me- feel better !
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2012
1:28 am
“No way Josh makes the all-star team….simply no way.
JJ shouldn’t make it either, he only plays well against bad teams. Goes missing against top shelf.”
John Hollinger agrees with you. He has zero Hawks and two Knicks in the All Star game.
vava74
February 8th, 2012
3:55 am
Rod from College Park
February 7th, 2012
5:39 pm
Co-sign. BUT, not taking Teague out for Hinrich so early would be on top of the list for me and…
… I am very worried that the opposite will happen.
We were up by 1 when LD took Teague out at the 6 minute mark. We trailed from that point onward.
So for me, although I would also immediately take Marvin from the starting unit, I would first start by not messing with Teague.
vava74
February 8th, 2012
4:01 am
Also,
Green is a prolific scorer but he is not the type of guy who produces with 2 minute stints.
He always scores in bunches when he gets longer stints and is given the responsibility to the the go to scorer.
Finally, Zaza is Zaza, with all good and bad things he brings. In a night we were out rebounded by 10 by a paper soft team, he played only 25 minutes, snatched 8 rebounds and had a positive +-. what’s the f@cking problem about a guy fouling out if that may keep us in the game longer? Does he need his fouls in the locker-room?
EmirS.
February 8th, 2012
4:40 am
“This isnt about not having a center or lacking big players. The hawks lack a star player since nique was traded. It’s that simple. Stars are stars because of mental toughness to be consistent.”
You are right, I mean look at the Knicks. They got TWO star players. They’re killing it in the East.
Seriously, start plays don’t mean wins and it’s not always that “simple”. Ask New Jersey, Minnesota, and New York just to name a few.
I think Jordan Hill would be a respectable addition to the team. Does not fill up the stat sheet but is a definitive banger inside. If not him, I think Bogut will be available somewhere around late March. -_-
Just Joe
February 8th, 2012
5:47 am
11 pts and 11 in 33 minutes for Benson last night. Still had 3 turnovers and 3 fouls, while blocking just one shot.
Buddy Grizzard
February 8th, 2012
6:10 am
“Lin has played well for a grand total of two games. Even Salim Stoudamire had a few really good games here and there.” – Najeh
Difference is Salim was an undersized gunner. Lin is a Steve Nash-type cerebral point guard who can attack the basket. Give him a chance to get his turnovers down and he will play for a long time in this league. Just needed somebody to see past his skin color and give him a chance. I knew Lin could ball two years ago when he took it to John Wall at the Vegas summer league.
“This slide is all about Josh and Joe being selfish…” – Rufus1
Interesting theory… I definitely think Josh has played his way out of an All-Star invite, and it won’t even be a snub. Does anybody here think Josh deserves to be an All-Star?
“It appears to me that Sund and LD are putting it all on the current players.” – O’Brien
You don’t expect LD and Sund to say “hey we screwed up personnel acquisition and utilization… our fault!” did you?
“Jerry Sloan anyone?” – flash
Yesterday.
“Start Kirk, bench Teague Larry will…” – Slimjr
Yoda voice?
“Najeh, that stat about the Hawks having the least amount of fouls in the league tells you they are far from aggressive.” – KevinM
Yes they are far from agressive because they fear the Larry Drew two foul rule. Guys want to play. LD has trained all the agrression out of them.
Buddy Grizzard
February 8th, 2012
6:16 am
“I love how he allowed Josh to OPEN HIS GAME UP BY SHOOTING JUMPERS.”
Great stuff Mark keep it coming!
“Nash started lighting it up on Kirk, getting the late three…” – Big Lou
Did you see Kirk holding his head in that highlight? Nash was his man and he just let him run up the court and jack up a three. Kirk is generally a good defender but you called that one… THAT was sorry… getting left in the dust by one of the oldest players in the NBA.
“Marvin should get more minutes at the 4 with the 2nd unit.” – northcyde
Finally somebody says it. Who is a better backup power forward? Marvin or Vlad? So why is Vlad the backup power forward on a team with Marv and Ivan who could use those minutes? You guys think Marv is so bad… what do you expect him to do in 20mpg? 7:14 northcyde post nominated for POST OF THE YEAR.
“It’s time we stop losing games all because Drew is giving unproductive bench players waaaay too many minutes.”
He’s talking about Vlad, guys. POST OF THE YEAR.
“Why did we guarantee Stackhouse’s contract?” – Big Ray
I’m holding my head Kirk Hinrich style over that one.
Buddy Grizzard
February 8th, 2012
6:40 am
“I think that LD might be one of the worst coaches in NBA history.” – Rusty
Lon Kruger
Terry Stotts
Mike Woodson
Larry Drew
(Hawks coaches since Lenny Wilkens)
vava74
February 8th, 2012
7:44 am
Buddy,
That list = shivers down my spine…
O'Brien
February 8th, 2012
7:51 am
So the Rockets sign Greg Smith, and the Blazers sign Oberto. These guys are not world beaters by any means, but I don’t think the Rockets (Dalembert, Hill, Scola, Patterson) and Portland (Kurt Thomas, Marcus Camby, LaMarcus Aldridge) need the help that we do. But yet they went and got somebody, even if it’s from the bottom of the barrel. .
Instead, all we get from LD and Rick is ‘none of the names on the list excites us.’ Well of course it won’t excite you. The names that would excite you are going to sign somewhere else for more $. But at this point, we shouldn’t be as picky as our front office is being.
Fesenko, Mbenga, Dampier. If nothing else, these guys are 6’11”+ and have played center before, so they can at least play spot minutes.
LD and Rick are the guys who stayed home and watched reruns on TV on prom night, because all the hot girls went with the athletes, and they didn’t think any of the other girls were worth asking.
O'Brien
February 8th, 2012
7:58 am
Section 303,
No need going into the luxary tax for a big guy that is not good..
Hawks could have cut Stackhouse and then signed a big for the rest of the season without going into luxury tax. What is Stackhouse giving us?
Leadership? He hasn’t been here very long, but yet he has realized how this team needs to be prodded, and how they free-lance when the going gets tough. 3 captains, and a longtime assistant coach who the players lobbied for, but yet we keep an end of the bench player for his leadership?
O'Brien
February 8th, 2012
7:59 am
Wabe,
The Clippers will go after JR Smith when his Chinese team is finished playing. And considering the fact that JR played with Chauncey and K-Mart in Denver, and played with CP3 in N.O., I think he will sign with the Clippers.
Plus, I don’t think the Clippers are a good fit trade wise for the Hawks.
Dawg
February 8th, 2012
8:00 am
If the Hawks are so concerned about salary, why is Stackhouse on the team for the rest of the year?
His contract is now guaranteed.
Jump Shooter X
February 8th, 2012
8:40 am
Trade for a power center then let Al move to power forward when he returns. Common sense man, just use common sense…
chuckw/deadjournalist
February 8th, 2012
8:40 am
i swore that stackhouse and pargo were going to be cut for salary reasons.
i know it was covered before, but if there is a line-up change, it would have to revolve around the 3, as most everyone else has stated. there are some match-up options that could be worthwhile.
roll jj to the 3 with kh at the 2 on teams where the other team’s 3 is more of a scoring option than defender. likewise, js could role to the 3 against teams with a role-playing 3.
i don’t think tm would be a starting option. this season is playing out like last for him: one good game and one game he can’t go with a few okay games mixed in.
it would be interesting to see if stackhouse gets the call in the line-up in a royal ivey-esque “play five mins at the top of each half unless he’s on fire” role. from a minute distribution standpoint, that may be important given that tm just can’t be counted on to log 15 mins a night. his body just won’t let him. that is also 10 mins a game where marvin might have a better match up/be a bigger focus with the second unit.
marvin has played well in a lot of games, he’s just the fourth option most nights. and everyone can’t score on every possession. i still think he as worth for a team where he’d be the second or third option (new orleans, anyone?). but i digress …
i still think the best on-court, off-season move was willie green because of what he can bring offensively off the bench. but with such an old bench, this is the time of year where the weaknesses are pronounced … and that’s not including the injury issues at the 5.
STRETCH
February 8th, 2012
8:56 am
Wow, nothing going on at the AJC so far this year, atleast sports wise:
Braves – Possible move for Class A team to Wilmington? So what!
Falcons – They support Concussion Bill.
GT – Stephen Hill invited to NFL combine. (Who is Stephen Hill?)
UGA – More players dismissed…Really?
Hawks – Lineup changes coming…LOL!!!
I know they have a job to do, but seriously this is bad.
Buddy Grizzard
February 8th, 2012
8:58 am
“Does he need his fouls in the locker-room?”
Larry thinks if you save fouls they carry over to the next game.
JROLL1
February 8th, 2012
8:58 am
Willie Green was a beast ont eh road trip. I was at the Philly game, and watched him ride the bench!!!!! Come on Larry!
Melvin
February 8th, 2012
9:01 am
Not that I agree but maybe the Hawks kept Stack to meet the league min requirement of 13 active players.
Double Zero Eight
February 8th, 2012
9:16 am
Trade Kirk and Marvin for a “big”.
Ivan should start.
drmaryb.[*_*].
February 8th, 2012
9:17 am
The Riddler!
Mr. Drew is like the Riddler on The Batman Show. He likes to speak in codes. Just name your starting five players and roll out the ball, if they don’t execute the game plan, sit ‘em down and make a substitute.
Actions speaks louder than words.
drmaryb.[*_*].
February 8th, 2012
9:22 am
Roll Over minutes!
“Does he need his fouls in the locker-room?” -My Buddy-
__________
Buddy G, I guess coach is following the Sprint Wireless model, where customers get roll-over minutes. In this case, roll-over fouls. LOL
Sideline Dude
February 8th, 2012
10:10 am
How ’bout considering moving to another state? The NBA is a bunch of thugs.
Rev in Tampa
February 8th, 2012
10:12 am
I am surprised at the confusion created by giving Stackhouse a guaranteed contract. It is obvious why he got the contract. He is one of the most important role players on the Hawks team.
Since the Hawks refuse to sign a center there will be many more blow-outs this year. And with the compressed schedule the Hawks will need Stackhouse to play during garbage time – which, without a center, will begin halfway into the 3rd quarter and continue to the end of the game.
Astro Joe
February 8th, 2012
10:13 am
Well, the good news would be if the Hawks guarantee all of the contracts, then the only way to acquire a big man is through the trade. That should delight most of the blog world.
honest_abe
February 8th, 2012
10:19 am
“Difference is Salim was an undersized gunner. Lin is a Steve Nash-type cerebral point guard who can attack the basket. Give him a chance to get his turnovers down and he will play for a long time in this league. Just needed somebody to see past his skin color and give him a chance. I knew Lin could ball two years ago when he took it to John Wall at the Vegas summer league.”
hell yes. it’s the year of the slanty eyed, short, athletically challenged yellow man! asian power ya dig?
vava74
February 8th, 2012
10:27 am
Rev in Tampa
February 8th, 2012
10:12 am
Astro Joe
February 8th, 2012
10:28 am
abe, you may want to explain that you “resemble that comment” before the politically-correct police stick a won-ton up your arse. And come by more often, your comments are always refreshing.
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
10:33 am
Hey Sideline have you considered moving…..
drebaby
February 8th, 2012
10:46 am
The Hawks starting lineup should be Jeff/Green/Joe/Josh/Ivan.It is a bit small,but every player has the ability to defend,and the quickness and athleticism to defend the pick/and roll.I would like for t/mac to start,but i doubt that will happen.We need another big in here a.s.a.p.Solo,could definitely help this team.He may be smallish,but he can block shots.Wow they guaranteed Stacks contract,well then give him some of Marvin big booty Williams minutes.At least Stack will give u energy,and he handles the ball well and is a decent passer.Can we just bench Marv, period.Give him a few games off,and see if it lights a fire in his behind.
O'Brien
February 8th, 2012
11:03 am
AJ,
Well, the good news would be if the Hawks guarantee all of the contracts, then the only way to acquire a big man is through the trade. That should delight most of the blog world..
It’s hard to be delighted with Rick as the GM. From Schultz article yesterday;
Sund says he’s not opposed to making a trade. But he acknowledges, “Having a full roster and a full season would make that easier.”.
Most of us will be shocked if the Hawks make a trade. I expect them to sign somebody to a 10 day contract, and once Twin comes back, that will be the team we finish the season with.
But I hope I’m wrong.
vava74
February 8th, 2012
11:05 am
With all contracts guaranteed, there is ZERO chance that they will sign anyone. ZERO.
We will go with what we have.
O'Brien
February 8th, 2012
11:06 am
Saw this on hoopinion;
If you go to John Hollinger’s player statistics and click on PER at the top of the highlighted column, you will see players listed in reverse order. Unsurprisingly, Hollinger has Collins listed second from the bottom in Player Efficiency Rating among all active NBA players averaging at least 6 minutes per game. I’m not here to argue the validity of Hollinger’s PER rankings. What’s inarguable is that for the second year in a row, Larry Drew is giving significant minutes to a player who is in the conversation as possibly the worst player in the league..
But I fully expect Twin to be our backup center for the rest of the year.
Snap Into A Fatjim
February 8th, 2012
11:11 am
Can you play center MC ?
Center-less Hawks
February 8th, 2012
11:14 am
Come play with the Atlanta Hawks ! The team that loves 6′8″ forwards. We have a team full of them !
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
11:15 am
vava74
February 8th, 2012
11:05 am
“With all contracts guaranteed, there is ZERO chance that they will sign anyone. ZERO.
We will go with what we have.”
Bingo Fuel! Its a wrap! 0-7 going into the Allstar weekend? Maybe…
Center-less Hawks
February 8th, 2012
11:16 am
I agree. The blogs are weak. And not one person cares about Mark Bradley’s potential NCAA Final 4 bracket in February.
tidog
February 8th, 2012
11:16 am
Does the slide coincide with tougher schedule and Kirk’s return ?
Center-less Hawks
February 8th, 2012
11:18 am
When you look up the word “bust” in the dictionary Marvin Williams picture is shown.
Lakers 242424
February 8th, 2012
11:20 am
No one here has a clue what they are talking about. Tegue needs to pass more shot less, Joe needs to take this team and put people in there place and shot the ball more, trade marvin and za za for a big. Trade josh smith because that guy should have went to college his skills are limited and get paul gasol plus get rid of jerry stackhouse trade him and twin and a second pick for two bench players. This is your line up JT, JOE, T-MAC,GASOL AND CHRIS KAMAN
KevinM
February 8th, 2012
11:29 am
Anyone getting geared up for Indy?
Ivan/Hansbrough – Round 2
Who’s got Hibbert? Anyone?
Marvin vs. Granger – #2 pick vs. #17 in ‘05
Anyone seen Cenk Akyol yet? Ugh…we blew all 3 picks in that draft…could you imagine Bynum in our lineup?
Harpie
February 8th, 2012
11:38 am
It’s not a lineup change that’s needed, it’s a COACHING CHANGE! Larry Drew hasn’t a clue!
Rev in Tampa
February 8th, 2012
11:40 am
“No one here has a clue what they are talking about. Tegue needs to pass more shot less, Joe needs to take this team and put people in there place and shot the ball more, trade marvin and za za for a big.”
At least most “here” know how to spell and construct a readable sentence.
Rev in Tampa
February 8th, 2012
11:45 am
“Anyone getting geared up for Indy?”
Sorry, Kevin, I am not. The Phi & Phx games deflated me a bit. I’m with Slim – 0-7 going into the All-Star break. I’m more interested in the mashed potatoes I am going to eat tonight for dinner.
GET A BIG MAN, SUND!
Melvin
February 8th, 2012
11:48 am
Najeh,
How can Hollinger have Knicks and Nets players on the All Star team as his reserves when the Knicks are currently in 9th place and Nets 11? They would not qualify if the playoffs started today. His current picks have no representation from the 4th and 5th place teams. So he’s basically penalizing a team for being good. No way should 4 pgs be on the team. Keep Rondo. Drop Jennings, Williams and Chandler. Add Joe, Hibbert and Deng or Josh.
Dawg
February 8th, 2012
11:49 am
Marvin Williams is not as big of a bust as the Hawks management in general.
Astro Joe
February 8th, 2012
11:50 am
Twin gets “significant minutes”? Really, I know that I haven’t watched every minute of every game, but I must have missed the “significant” minutes he has played.
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
11:51 am
“Marvin vs. Granger – #2 pick vs. #17 in ‘05″
That script should have been flipped? Thank you Mr Knight! For years to come….
Hollywould
February 8th, 2012
11:51 am
What is the over/under on Dribble King smiling this year?
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
11:56 am
vava74
February 8th, 2012
11:05 am
“With all contracts guaranteed, there is ZERO chance that they will sign anyone. ZERO.
We will go with what we have.”
It not about what Gearon’s puppet says. It’s all about what he does… Hmmmmmmmmmm?
ntrigue
February 8th, 2012
11:57 am
Larry Drew is only perfected one thing that’s blowing a whistle with his fingers 20 times a game!
Rusty
February 8th, 2012
11:59 am
I would prefer any coach over LT,even woody who I thought was horrible.
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
12:01 pm
“Marvin vs. Granger – #2 pick vs. #17 in ‘05
Anyone seen Cenk Akyol yet? Ugh…we blew all 3 picks in that draft…could you imagine Bynum in our lineup?”
When some of us said Billy did not have a clue we weren’t joking..He was unbelievable…
See what arrogance and pride does..It blinds you…..You may be great with book knowledge but a complete dumb azz…………..
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
12:05 pm
Three straight incompetent GM’s the Hawks have fielded over the past 14 some odd years…..
vava74
February 8th, 2012
12:10 pm
Slimjr:
Three straight incompetent GM’s the Hawks have fielded over the past 14 some odd years…..
Only 3? Hawks’ GMs have been grossly incompetent since they signed Koncak’s extention… which was about 25 years ago…
Smitty, Deke and Mookie’s team was an aberration, something that happened just by mere chance.
WE TRADED OUR HISTORICAL MARQUEE PLAYER (Pettit does not count since he was in STL) when we were #1 in the standings and he was playing his BEST BASKETBALL !!!!!!!!!!!
vava74
February 8th, 2012
12:11 pm
WITH JORDAN RETIRED!!!!!!!!!!!!
ejh
February 8th, 2012
12:13 pm
It is amazing how people are pushing the panic button. It is early in the season and people act as if teams are not going to have down stretches where a team may loose 3 or 4 in a row. My concern is to be healthy by the playoffs. The one thing people keep saying is the lack of depth is hurting the hawks. In some areas that maybe true, but you have to counteract that with an uptempo game plan. The hawks should be pushing the ball after madeTeag baskets and missed baskets, to try and tire out the other teams bigs. Hibbert would be ineffective if he is having to run the floor. The same would be true of Gasol and Bynum. But the hawks walk it up not putting any pressure on the defense.
Line up change: Teague, Willie G. Joe, Josh, Ivan: Second Unit: Pargo, Hinrich, T-Mac, Marvin, ZsaZsa. You need energy, Willie Green and Ivan will give it to you on the first unit. Marvin playing the four would allow him to get to the foul line and drive the basketball. Pargo at the point, hinrich at the 2 McGrady at the 3 and Pachulla at the center spot.
i know it all
February 8th, 2012
12:14 pm
buddy you are a very confussed person just the other day you was on here talkin about kh is so good and how he should be playing over pargo and starting over teague now you realize that was just a lot of bs you were talking we need to make a strong push to get d12 even it means moving kh mw js ah in some type of three way trade not saying move all them but 2 or 3 of them to get d12 and couple other players back that can make a playoff run
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
12:20 pm
ntrigue
February 8th, 2012
11:57 am
“Larry Drew is only perfected one thing that’s blowing a whistle with his fingers 20 times a game!”
I can shoot a basketball as good as a pro, but I cant whistle with my fingers? That requires special talent…….LMAO!
honest_abe
February 8th, 2012
12:23 pm
haha thnx aj. yes as a disclaimer for my previous comment. i’m a jeremy lin clone. a little east of taiwan but you get the picture.
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
12:23 pm
I hear ya vava74, so tradition in the parts continue? Hahaha…….wow…..
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
12:23 pm
{these}^^^^
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
12:24 pm
Gotta make a pizza run for lunch! Gettin hungry..
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2012
12:35 pm
“Difference is Salim was an undersized gunner. Lin is a Steve Nash-type cerebral point guard who can attack the basket. Give him a chance to get his turnovers down and he will play for a long time in this league. Just needed somebody to see past his skin color and give him a chance. I knew Lin could ball two years ago when he took it to John Wall at the Vegas summer league.”
He may very well be all those things, but I’m just saying I’m not going to make any definitive judgments about him after two games.
Section 303
February 8th, 2012
12:36 pm
O’Brien, I understand what you are saying about Stackhouse. But, I think you are belitting the importance of Stackhouse’s leadership. Especially, when dealing with Josh Smith. I’ve seen Stackhouse go settle Josh down on more than one occasion. Against the Sixers Saturday night, Josh was getting on LD while heading to the huddle during a timeout. Stackhouse was the first player to actually go over to Josh and talk to him. And then stood by Josh, as if to protect him from saying another stupid comment to LD.
That may seem minor, but I do not think it is. In fact, I would rather have someone like Stackhouse, who will actually intervene in those situations, than a big guy who can’t play.
Bad big guys can completely slow a team down. They offer nothing. And, since they cannot get up and down the floor quickly, they disrupt the tempo of the offense/game. The scrape heap is barren of big guys, for the most part. Not worth the trouble. Only two I see worth a shot at are Soloman Jones (if he is cheap enough) or Frenseko (if he is healthy). Otherwise, stand pat.
cpsman_atlanta
February 8th, 2012
12:36 pm
I’ve got an idea; why doesn’t Atlanta Spirit Group sell the team to owners that actually care? Maybe that’ll fix the team…
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2012
12:37 pm
“How can Hollinger have Knicks and Nets players on the All Star team as his reserves when the Knicks are currently in 9th place and Nets 11? They would not qualify if the playoffs started today. His current picks have no representation from the 4th and 5th place teams. So he’s basically penalizing a team for being good”
Hollinger doesn’t believe in rewarding players with All Star votes for winning. He says in that article that coaches shouldn’t reward players for having good teammates. There is some truth to that argument (see Mo Williams’ All Star selection a few years ago for example) but the flip side to it is that a player like Melo on a bad team can put up big numbers with poor efficiency.
STRETCH
February 8th, 2012
12:40 pm
cpsman_atlanta,
EXACTLY, LOL!!!
W.R. Terrell
February 8th, 2012
12:42 pm
Line up change?…Ok…..Ivan Johnson for Josh Smith, TMAC for Marvin and lets see what happens. Gotta start somewhere.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2012
12:45 pm
Regarding Lin, I think the fact that he played in the Ivy League worked against him at least as much as his ethnicity. I know a black dude who played really well in the Ivy League (he still holds one of the league’s all time records if I’m not mistaken) but didn’t get drafted and has since established himself as a good player in the Euroleague. If Lin had done what he did at an SEC or ACC school, I think it’s likely that someone would have taken a flier on him in the second round at some point. It’s not like unproven Asian players haven’t been drafted before.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2012
12:53 pm
“Unsurprisingly, Hollinger has Collins listed second from the bottom in Player Efficiency Rating among all active NBA players averaging at least 6 minutes per game. I’m not here to argue the validity of Hollinger’s PER rankings. What’s inarguable is that for the second year in a row, Larry Drew is giving significant minutes to a player who is in the conversation as possibly the worst player in the league..”
PER doesn’t take into account charges, box outs, good man to man defense (that doesn’t involve steals or blocks), or sealing your man out of the lane to create space for teammates to drive to the basket. Collins does all of those things. In fact, those are pretty much the only things Collins does. He’s not going to rate highly in any metric that relies exclusively on box score stats. I think it’s a stretch, though, to go from that to saying he’s one of the worst players in the league. Like someone else on this blog says, he’s basically the equivalent of the lefty specialist in baseball.
Put it this way: I’d rather have Collins than Hilton Armstrong and Josh Powell, and both of them had better PER and counting stats than him.
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
1:09 pm
W.R. Terrell
February 8th, 2012
12:42 pm
“Line up change?…Ok…..Ivan Johnson for Josh Smith, TMAC for Marvin and lets see what happens. Gotta start somewhere.”
Talk about a shake up? lol
Oh dont forget KH for JT?..You know Larry is sweating to make that happen…
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
1:17 pm
wish they would snub iso, so no Hawk partakes in the AllStar weekend.
That would send a message to Gearon and da boys they aint buying the hype…..
O'Brien
February 8th, 2012
1:24 pm
303,
But, I think you are belitting the importance of Stackhouse’s leadership. Especially, when dealing with Josh Smith..
One of the reasons we brought Nick Van Exel in is to work with Teague. So why can’t we cut Stackhouse (the player), to free up a roster spot, and then hire him as an assistant coach? imo, he will never be a significant player in the league anymore, and he has interest in coaching. This could be his start.
Obviously, the Hawks would have had to do their homework prior to yesterday, but that is what I would have done (since the coach’s salary does not count against the salary cap).
Speaking of Josh, this is from hoopinion;
Josh Smith FG% by location. From Hoopdata, through last night’s Suns game:
Location FGA/G eFG%
At the rim 4.8 69.6
Everywhere else 8.7 33.7
Not much of a surprise, nor much to add. Anyone paying attention knows that Josh Smith quite obviously excels at some things, quite obviously struggles with others, and his strengths and weaknesses don’t always inform his actions.
The league averages 63% at the rim and 41.3% from everywhere else..
So Josh is better than the league average at the rim, and worse than the league average everywhere else. So my question is…When will Josh Smith get it? Do more of what works, and less of what doesn’t. C’mon Man. It’s been 7 years or 8 years, and counting.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2012
1:25 pm
“wish they would snub iso, so no Hawk partakes in the AllStar weekend.
That would send a message to Gearon and da boys they aint buying the hype…..”
Come on Slim, you know they would just blame the media the way they already blame Jeff Schultz for the perception of them.
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
1:29 pm
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“A superstar athlete who could very well be one of the NBA’s top players, Josh Smith is lacking a few key ingredients to becoming one.
We recognize that Smith is an excellent athlete who fills up a stat column, but his commitment and attitude towards the game has proven to be his downfall.
It always appears that he’s not playing 100 percent, and he rarely utilizes his athleticism and talent in a half-court setting.
Only in the open court will you see Smith show off his athleticism. In a regular half-court offense, Smith hardly takes an initiative to drive and draw fouls.
Instead, he’ll usually rely on post-ups and ill-advised jump shots that no defender ever takes seriously.
On a Atlanta Hawks team that’s only a key piece or two away from becoming elite, Smith is the player holding them back because of the potential he possesses that will most likely never be put to good use.”
Incredible piece…
KevinM
February 8th, 2012
1:31 pm
We look like we are going to end up hovering around the 5-6 playoff seed going forward. That puts you up immediately against a team who probably has outplayed overall this year.
I don’t think we get past Philly at this point.
We have to beat Indy, Orlando and Boston head-2-head just to keep our current position.
Astro Joe
February 8th, 2012
1:33 pm
OB, as you know, Josh’s teammates believe in his ability to make those shots. So why on earht would he stop as long as his teammates have his back?
Rev in Tampa
February 8th, 2012
1:34 pm
@Najeh – “I know a black dude who played really well in the Ivy League (he still holds one of the league’s all time records if I’m not mistaken) but didn’t get drafted and has since established himself as a good player in the Euroleague.”
Is he a center?
MattP
February 8th, 2012
1:40 pm
KevinM,
I really seeing the Hawks winning a best of 7 series against the Bulls, Heat, Pacer, or Sixers. LD will get out coached like always.
doc
February 8th, 2012
1:43 pm
o’b at 11:26
nuff said
bigdave
February 8th, 2012
1:43 pm
no way im falling for the “lineup change” again..
didnt he say the same thing last year?
Astro Joe
February 8th, 2012
1:45 pm
If you’re Gearon and you have a bottom third home attanedance despite two All-Stars the past two seasons, why would you be concerned about no All-Stars this year? Worried that attendance will go from bottom third to bottom third? IMO, the one and only thing that will drive significant change (other than an ownership change) is if they see a big reduction in home playoff games. Go from 6 home playoff games (the past 3 years) to maybe 2-3 and that will very likely force something to happen to recoup that lost revenue.
Follow the Money.
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
1:58 pm
“IMO, the one and only thing that will drive significant change (other than an ownership change) is if they see a big reduction in home playoff games. Go from 6 home playoff games (the past 3 years) to maybe 2-3 and that will very likely force something to happen to recoup that lost revenue.
Follow the Money.”
Thats an excellent point Astro Joe….” Follow the money” Hmmmmmm.
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
2:01 pm
Right now, Indiana or Philly would win a 7 game playoff series against the Hawks in 4 or 5 games…No problem at all…
Walt Frazier
February 8th, 2012
2:03 pm
Pacers 121 Hawks 90
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 8th, 2012
2:04 pm
Those boys Gearon Jr. and Sund on those ’shrooms
Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)
February 8th, 2012
2:06 pm
lol stackhouse guaranteed
doc
February 8th, 2012
2:14 pm
rev it sounds like with that prediction you lost your previous prayer group and have fallen in with lost sheep bro.
warned ya, heh heh
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
2:22 pm
New lineup should be:
Teague
Hinrich
Joe
Josh
Zaza
Bench:
Pargo
Green
McGrady
Marvin
Ivan
Case closed
hawksfancents95
February 8th, 2012
2:29 pm
id like to see a jeff/joe/tmac/josh/zaza lineup tonight
id also like to see some 3 guard lineup like jeff kirk and willie kinda speedball like LAC for a stint during the game.
L.D does not come up with anything original, he just trys to “match up” with the style of play of everyone else. our identity is what? we are not a transition team, we arent a halfcourt team, idk what we are. how can u lose by 20+ at one point in three straight games? i know it starts w/ the owners but if we have an inept GM that cant make proper acquisitions or has no imagination to create a win-win trade. we have an assistant coach as our head coach and our best player(joe) has no fire to instill that motivation into our team. KG might not be the old KG but at least he will not accept poor play/effort from anybody and holds his peers accountable, he plays like its a privilage and i see our hawks playing like its their right on some nights, it makes me sick. but yes i will still watch every hawks game and root for my team
KevinM
February 8th, 2012
2:30 pm
Walt, Indy is good, but not that good.
Teague vs. Collison tonight is an excellent matchup.
Joe vs George since Hill is out….interesting matchup but I think Joe has the adv
Zaza vs. Hibbert- Zaza has to improve his output as a starter…get this Cat in foul trouble
Marvin vs Granger – can Marvelous become a bigger part of the offense?
Josh vs West – stay inside Josh and apply pressure on this All-Star, who makes their team so much better.
I see us giving up a bunch of PITP in this one. LD has to have a better plan this time after watching the last 2 games. He should have held a big man camp yesterday, but we always seem to be a bit behind the curve huh?
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
2:34 pm
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
2:22 pm
New lineup should be:
Teague
Hinrich
Joe
Josh
Zaza
Bench:
Pargo
Green
McGrady
Marvin
Ivan
Case closed
You have to get Pargo on the floor.
ConcernF
February 8th, 2012
2:35 pm
benching Josh would be great start. he’s bringing the team down with his bad selection of shots, holding the ball too long, not getting down the floor on his bad shots. he’s draining all of the energy out of the team. making the whole look bad. he can get away with that stuff when playing sub 500 teams, but again good team. start the change with Josh on the bench until he learns to play team ball.
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
2:37 pm
Concern F,
If you start with Josh on the bench, you must want to see layups and dunks all day. Nobody is patrolling the paint with Josh out.
Jay Dubu
February 8th, 2012
2:39 pm
No lineup changes are coming…we heard this last year, and nothing happened.
Just get a center in here that can actually play, and not have to be used as a fouling machine.
KevinM
February 8th, 2012
2:40 pm
Give me T-Mac in Marvin’s slot and let’s see how cohesive this unit is before LD starts yanking chains.
Just Joe
February 8th, 2012
2:41 pm
KevinM…Don’t you think Indy puts Granger on Joe, and George gaurds the disappearing Marvin?
I’d go big with the lineup: Teague on Collison, Joe on George, Josh on Granger, Ivan on West, and ZaZa on Hibbert. Josh attacks Granger in the post, while Joe does the same to George.
Marvin subs in as ZaZa or Ivan rests. McGrady subs in as Marvin goes to the PF spot while Josh rests. ZaZa or Ivan back in while the other rests.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2012
2:43 pm
Based on the way the Hawks played the last three games, I honestly can’t see them winning tonight.
Zaza and Ivan are going to get owned by Hibbert on the glass, since Hibbert is taller and has longer arms than them. Joe is going to have a hard time scoring against either George or Granger, who are both taller with longer arms than him. Josh has a decent matchup against West, but he had a terrific matchup against Memphis and failed to take advantage, in part because he wasn’t aggressive enough looking for his shot in the low post. Teague likewise has a decent matchup against Collison, but if he’s not going to be on the floor long enough early in games to get into the flow of the game, he’s not going to consistently use his speed to attack the interior of the defense.
The Pacers also have decent interior players coming off the bench in Hansbrough and Foster who will likely kill the Hawks’ bench on the glass, especially if the Hawks insist on continuing to play Vlad at PF and/or Josh at C.
If they couldn’t beat Phoenix, they are not going to beat Indiana.
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
2:47 pm
JT gets benched @ the 6:30 mark, game,set,and match…….
Hollywould
February 8th, 2012
2:53 pm
I am with you Najeh/ Pacers by 12 Bank on it
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
2:57 pm
Granger will prove once again that he should have been the #2 pick not that buster Marvin….
Hawks maybe able to beat the Magic on the road Friday night? Miami and the Lakers? Naw….
0-7 or 1-6 by next week …..
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
2:58 pm
Pacers will pull away in the 3rd and go up by at least 20-25…
Hollywould
February 8th, 2012
2:59 pm
I am taking Pacers plus 31/2 under 187 Cheese it for easy money. What say yall?
keepinitreal
February 8th, 2012
3:02 pm
All this talk of lineup changes is nothing more than putting lipstick on a pig/rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic/whatever idiom you prefer to use. The Hawks are severely undermanned inside, and no amount of lineup shuffling is going to change.
The Hawks have to beef up inside or this team is finished. Garret Siler would be a good stopgap pickup, but more proven reinforcements are needed. Someone mentioned Rasheed Wallace the other day. It wouldn’t hurt anything to try to coax him out of retirement. Eric Dampier and Dan Gadzuric are also veteran bigs who can eat up minutes. We need no fewer than two of the aforementioend players, or two other guys of comparable size and ability.
The Hawks were already a weak interior team even when Horford was healthy. Without him, we’re hands down the worst in the league.
Section 303
February 8th, 2012
3:11 pm
O’Brien, I just think Josh is what he is. He will always be a wannabe jump shooter who pouts and yells at teammates/coaches when it is himself he should be yelling at.
It is a shame…I really thought Josh was turning the proverbial corner. Right after Al went down, he was fantastic. He was going to the rim, his jumpers were good shots, rebounding, playing great D. Seems to me that he reverted back to being the Josh Smith that I know and hate during the Piston game. Ever since, he has taken bad shots, yelled at coaches/teammates, played spotty D….Josh has all the tools. He just will never put it together mentally. Not in a Hawks uniform, at least. Maybe a change in cities would do him good?
Section 303
February 8th, 2012
3:13 pm
Hollywould, if I were a betting man, I would make that bet. Go for it! I have no idea how the Hawks are a 3.5 pt favorite in this game.
Section 303
February 8th, 2012
3:14 pm
Either Najeh has gone crazy, or someone is using his tag name. I betting someone is using his name.
Hollywould
February 8th, 2012
3:15 pm
Think I will throw a little on it. Problem is believe it or not I am a Hawks fan. Just tired of the same…..
Grandad
February 8th, 2012
3:16 pm
bigdave -&- Jay Dubu
Yes;
LD said the same thing a year ago.
His hedge:
“well, I said, I was only *[thinking] about changing the line-up”
Slimjr
February 8th, 2012
3:17 pm
Najeh has an admirer…. Hahaha.
Section 303
February 8th, 2012
3:19 pm
Hollywould, we all love the Hawks. But, they are in a stupid funk right now. We’ve seen this before. They’re going to get pasted tonight. Vegas just does not know this team like we do. There are a lot more losses ahead before they get things figured out.
Besides, the Pacers are a terrible matchup for the Hawks. Forget the X’s and O’s. The Pacers play hard and tough the entire game. They attack. The Hawks play that way for a little while and then fall off. The Hawks are going to get run over tonight.
I will be there to watch it, though. Me and about 2,000 other people. Crowds have been pathetic this season.
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
3:24 pm
Vegas banks on idiots betting against teams based on past performances. You can’t do it. It’s about matchups. The Hawks can run with the Pacers.
Astro Joe
February 8th, 2012
3:26 pm
Grandad, whatever works, LD thought of it and whatever doesn’t work (e.g. poor energy or execution), LD warned them about it and the players failed to listen.
O'Brien
February 8th, 2012
3:27 pm
AJ,
Players don’t know what’s best for them and the team sometimes. I am tired of seeing JJ drive to the rim, and then pass to Josh who is standing right inside the 3-pt line for the jumper. And of course, there are those times when JJ passes to Josh with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. So yeah, his teamates are not helping.
I admire Josh’s confidence (and the players confidence in him), but they all need to wake up.
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
3:28 pm
Najeh,
having fun?
O'Brien
February 8th, 2012
3:31 pm
I wonder if the players take LD seriously though. Because he talks and talks (and takes forever to make a move), and despite his many lectures, the players don’t respond. Last year, he threatened lineup changes for a while, and nothing changed. Eventually, he made the switch to benching Marvin, but that was oly a minor move.
This year, he has warned them about the first home game after the road trip, or the other team making a run in the 3rd etc. You name it, he has talked about it with them. But they have tuned him out at times (imo), and he doesn’t know how to push the right buttons.
O'Brien
February 8th, 2012
3:33 pm
And for the record, I think the Hawks will win tonight.
They have looked terrible the last 3 games, but the Indy game was the game in which Horford went down (I think it should have been a foul), and for whatever reason, I think the Hawks will play with more energy, and pull out the victory.
I hope I’m right.
terrell
February 8th, 2012
3:34 pm
Whatever. I love me some Hawks, but I’m to the point where I really dont care anymore. Sure I’ll root for the team, but if they lose, I’m not going to pull my hair out about it. They know this group has maxed, yet they make NO CHANGES. And LD is full of you know what. Betcha $100 we see the same starting 5. Some of the guys should have been benched long ago for not having “energy” ,OR GAME, for that matter, (cough,cough, Marv), but yet he’s still startin after 7 years. And not just Marvin, Josh shoulda been pulled from certain games on numerous accasions. Joe too. LD just writing checks his a.. wont cash.
terrell
February 8th, 2012
3:35 pm
“occasions”
Hollywould
February 8th, 2012
3:39 pm
Section 303/ I am with u 100% I just get so pis_ed when I see them moping around.
hawkfan
February 8th, 2012
3:44 pm
if we don’t get another big man real soon before friday’s game with magic, look to see Dwight Howard have another slam dunk contest
Sun
February 8th, 2012
3:58 pm
I say start
teague
Joe Johnson
Tracy McGrady
Josh Smith
zaza or change up the center during games
joe is a lay back player and let teague handle the point and set up the offence and tracy has alot of knowledge and hes a great passs reader and shooter … and josh what he does best block shots and slam the ball for a power dunk!!
doc
February 8th, 2012
4:00 pm
when are some of the al detractors going to give the w/l without al numbers?
those folks are gone for good like slimj and rev optimism
Grandad
February 8th, 2012
4:00 pm
AJ
In case you were refering to me:
” PC – police ”
I detest the whole political correctness movement.
Being a “cracker” who was born into a mixed marriage:
my dead-beat dad was a red neck
-while-
I was raised by my single [divorced] mother (bless her soul)
who was a renaissance lady, ahead of her time, and most progressive.
Then I became a Coach;
I’ve coached rich kids, white kids, Asians, Mexicans,
Arabs, *(southern pronounciation)
city kids, red necks, country kids, retards, thug wannebes,
Tennesseeans, yankees, a 350 lb half Panamanian,
black kids, brown kids, what they call light skin kids, (think Kidd)
and a drunk Irishman’s kid. (my favorite) sue me.
I do believe in balance.
Not the fair & balanced fox crap.
But the treat everyone the same differently; balance;
from the wisdom of John Wooden.
nah – I’m not PC – I’m just an ol’ Jack-ass.
Dawg
February 8th, 2012
4:01 pm
Everyone should realize that our players are not perfect but our biggest problem is a poorly constructed roster. Only on center on the roster. If Al and Collins were healthy, the Hawks are still poorly constructed.
There are minimum salary type centers who are unemployed yet we have not even tried to get one.
We guarantee backup guards salaries for the rest of the year, yet we have but one backup center on the roster.
What does Sund get paid for?
Grandad
February 8th, 2012
4:06 pm
Najeh
You made me laugh out loud -twice-
then I did it again !
doc
February 8th, 2012
4:11 pm
ld is woody in a different coat. what does play with more energy sound like?
maybe we got to work harder?
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
4:13 pm
doc,
It doesn’t matter, Horford is still a one-dimensional offensive player.
Time
February 8th, 2012
4:15 pm
I don’t even know why I read this junk. You people who sit around posting hate for Josh here have it all figured out. You should be the GM.
Plain and simple, Josh is, and has been for a while, the best player on this team. Not that I’d expect most of you (who are Yankee carpetbaggers that aren’t real Hawks fans anyways) to get that. You’re the same people who thought Carmello and Amare were going to win championships back home.
Bad stretch of games is all it is. Crazy season and schedule. Astute basketball people know that ever team is going to have stretches of bad play this year because of that. They’ll get past it. Not that any of you fake Hawks fans will ever give them any credit when they do.
Another GM
February 8th, 2012
4:15 pm
Lets see, the Hawks want respect and they pull bonehead moves like being down to one and a backup at that, Center, and refuse to sign or make a deal to get one. I will give it takes time to make trades happen, but this team is not going to make a trade. Its a mystery that they wont pickup a FA for a 10 day contract. They can tell the season ticket holders all they want that they are not cheap………..your shallow if you believe them.
flash
February 8th, 2012
4:19 pm
Najeh
You make it sound like Josh is Chuck Norris or something
doc
February 8th, 2012
4:20 pm
the only thing stack could bring us is help as filler in a trade to make up salary on an expiring contract.
doc
February 8th, 2012
4:26 pm
yoursport is there any other kind of offensive player on the hawks who has more than one strength on offense?
if no whay was your point? before you say jj he folds like a walmart portable chair. with no al he gets doubled easily or worse when he is guarded by the likes of iggy or tony allen he disappears and the tail spin is even worse.
Rufus1
February 8th, 2012
4:33 pm
Josh Smith is a BAAAAAD Mother$%%##@@$$%
doc
February 8th, 2012
4:35 pm
since the start of this ride with the basg we have never found a guy who can make the easy bucket when things start grinding. that s the flaw of this 6′8″ model. when it runs well if purrs when iy doesnt it chokes and expels noxious fumes. though it is no pinto it is like an xke jag that cant make it out of the carport more than seven days in a row. fundamentally it is flawed and growing older not better. the team in 09 that competed so hard with the cavs in reg season is gone.
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
4:35 pm
Joe can post and shoot from the outside. Al only has that set shot. The problem with the Hawks is the guy starting at the 3. That’s the problem. Every team has a decent guy at the 3.
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
4:37 pm
Doc,
The reason why you said before you say jj, because you know he can score in different ways. Teague has been developing into a multi-dimensional offensive threat. Josh has better post moves than Horford.
RICK SUND
February 8th, 2012
4:40 pm
I know a lot of you have been asking yourselves, ” why in the hell doesnt Rick trade Al and Jeff?”
Now that’s a very good and obvious question. Believe me I wish it were that simple. There is just not a demand for A whining center who argues with his teammates about who plays what position and who is reluctant to play defense. I wish I could tell you something else but it is what it is. We were almost able to trick the Magic into taking Al but he pulled that stunt where he self-destructed on the court to keep from getting traded. Now no one else is interested because he injury prone, like that time he ripped a ankle out of socket to keep from playing defense in the playoffs. Al just leaves me shaking my head.
Same with Jeff Teague, No body wants to give us anything worth while. which is a shame after putting in 3 years of developing his sorry azs. It seem the word has got out that hes a ball hog who doesn’t know how to run an offense. They admit hes fast but turn away when they see Teague’s IQ test results.
Nothing I can do. I cant give them away nor build around either of the two. I guess I’ll have a 2 for 1 sale. Call it the Tin man and Scarecrow sale. Al has no heart and Teague has no brain.
Oh well whats a GM to do?
Melvin
February 8th, 2012
4:40 pm
Rufus1,
Have you been posting under Najeh name today….LOL
doc
February 8th, 2012
4:41 pm
o’b as predictably unprdictable these guys are i agree they will probably win. as i walked i was thinkng the same thing about ld, are they tuned out?
Melvin
February 8th, 2012
4:41 pm
Donald Sloan got signed to a 10 day contract by the Hornets today. What are the Hawks waiting on to sign someone (hopefully a big) to a 10 day contract?
Buddy Grizzard
February 8th, 2012
4:47 pm
Nice feel good story about Willie Green. Too bad he has by far the worst +/- on the team:
http://www.nba.com/statistics/plusminus/plusminus_sort.jsp?pcomb=1&season=22011&split=9&team=Hawks
D MANN
February 8th, 2012
4:48 pm
Najeh Davenpoop
February 8th, 2012
3:19 pm
Josh Smith doesn’t call the wrong number. You answer the wrong phone.
Ghosts sit around the campfire and tell Josh Smith stories.
Josh Smith won American Idol using only sign language
There used to be a street named after Josh Smith, but it was changed because nobody crosses Josh Smith and lives.
Once the cop pulled over Josh Smith….the cop was lucky to leave with a warning
Josh Smith can do a wheelie on a unicycle
Josh Smith counted to infinity – twice.
Josh Smith won the Tour De France on a stationary bike.
COSIGN!!
O'Brien
February 8th, 2012
4:48 pm
doc,
Woody’s plan B was to try harder at plan A. And LD’s “we need more energy” does sound similar to that.
LD wants them to play harder, especially sinice they are undersized. But with this compressed schedule, going up against good teams, guys will get tired physically and mentally. And that will lead to mistakes. Plus I think the players are frustrated that Rick has not brought in any reinforcements.
Al and Josh asked for another big in the offseason, and didn’t get one. Al went down, and still no big. And now Twin went down, and still no big. I think that wears on the players.
And I agree with AJ that there appears to be some chemistry issues too. And LD doesn’t know how to push the right buttons (and if he does, he cannot get the players to listen to him consistently).
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
4:50 pm
Sign Solo…
D MANN
February 8th, 2012
4:50 pm
YEA, AL WAS DOING THE ASKING, JOSH AGREED WHEN ASKED, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS AL AINT CUTTING IT SO EVERYBODY AGREES
HAWKS NEED A STARTING CENTER.
yoursporthouse dot com
February 8th, 2012
4:50 pm
D Mann..cosign why? You guys SUCK as Hawks fans!!
D MANN
February 8th, 2012
4:51 pm
We needed the center while Al was here, not just when he went down. Al aint cutting it. Co-sign Rick Sund
D MANN
February 8th, 2012
4:54 pm
yoursporthouse dot com Id rather suck as a Hawks fans than be like you, a suck ass hawks fan.
Anybody who is willing to call Al out for being a whiner and reluctant defender is a poor hawks fan in your book. That’s why you are a suck ass hawks fan.
doc
February 8th, 2012
4:55 pm
yoursport teague is real good when there are no seven foot trees with their arms up in the pant like he saw the oast three games. he penetrates but hasnt developed the dlick dish nor the step back or three point shot to go with his own one dmensional game of penetrating and tossng up the floater. not saying he is bad but has got one path to cnsistent scoring and he has been in goid sutuations and delivered but his strength is defense as much as offense when he applies it like osh.
as far as osh he has no baseline moves because he has no handle to move in traffic and he rarely is moving to the basket to receive the easy dish. osh also has trouble when there are bigs and talls around. he needs space to score. he has a terrible post game and fumbles in close traffic. he really is one dimensional scorer best on the fly. in order for josh to have good numbers he has to convert 55-60%
Rufus1
February 8th, 2012
4:56 pm
@Melvin
I would never do that….I have a hard enough time posting under my own name.
flash
February 8th, 2012
5:00 pm
Hinrich for Biedrins Mwahahaha
terrell
February 8th, 2012
5:00 pm
Teague/Joe/TMac/Josh/Ivan
Daniel#12
February 8th, 2012
5:01 pm
Is Randolph Morris available? Last I heard he was in China playing for the Beijing Ducks. If he is getting paid big bucks probably not interested in a 10 contract just to get back to the NBA.
Jeff Teague
February 8th, 2012
5:01 pm
For All you guys that say id don’t have a brain….
I hadn’t thought about that.
MattP
February 8th, 2012
5:02 pm
Anyone notice Ivan finally made it onto the rookie ladder? Glad the guy is finally getting known for his hard work on this team, hope he keeps up these numbers.
http://www.nba.com/rookie-ladder/?ls=iref:nbahpt1
terrell
February 8th, 2012
5:02 pm
Zaza and Marvin are “energy” crushers. Falling down, moving screens, getting their shots blocked, fumbling passes, etc….. Bring em off the bench!
Snap Snap
February 8th, 2012
5:03 pm
So I guess that mean we are stuck with Al no production ass….?
flash
February 8th, 2012
5:03 pm
Biedrins and Pachulia the Georgia/Latvia Center Combo
Laughing out loud
February 8th, 2012
5:04 pm
LOL at terrell
Snap Snap
February 8th, 2012
5:10 pm
has there ever been a trade for a GM in the history of basketball?
Buddy Grizzard
February 8th, 2012
5:13 pm
“Twin gets “significant minutes”? Really, I know that I haven’t watched every minute of every game, but I must have missed the “significant” minutes he has played.” – Astro Joe
He’s averaging over 10 MPG in 13 games played. He also has the second worst +/- of any Hawk not named Willie Green. When you give 10 MPG to the player with the worst PER of any player not named Jamaal Magloire, that means your team is playing 4-on-5 for 10 MPG.
Harry Hawk
February 8th, 2012
5:16 pm
This team is fraudulent.
Subtlety
February 8th, 2012
5:17 pm
Hey, the troll is back. Of course he’s posting the exact same thing he’s been saying for 3 years now (by his own count). What was that Einstein quote again?
Cuz nuttin’s different. LMFAO. Hey troll you know that you love to have Horford here so you can continue your 3 year rant. Insanity. In plain view. Now, if he acts according to form, he’ll jack my ID and spout nonsense under this handle. But most of you will know just who it is. The man who can’t say anything without referring to Al. doc probably pizzed him off talking about the Al haters not posting the post-Al numbers anymore since they now begin to look worse without Al than with. lol.
Grandad
February 8th, 2012
5:20 pm
At the expense of offending my good friend and
therefore consequentially my antagonist;:;:;:;:;:
“the Mad Hatter”.
Josh Smith is not very good. (he could be; but he’s not)
[ain't gonna happen] sorry [wish it would]
I’ve been fooled over & over & over & over & over … infinitum !!
Al Horford is inj. (worry about him next yr)
[honestly, I doubt he returns this yr - atall]
Joe is just Joe ? -nothing more / nothing less-
Teague is good enough to be an All-Star:
He will always fall short – I’m afraid ?
He is meek.
Personalities are hard to overcome.
I’m not criticizing / honest.
He has the physical ability though.
@ least he doesn’t shoot himself in the foot r e [JS].
Marv = “Bless his Heart”
Southerners know what I mean.
Hatter; with all candor and sincerity, have a great day.
terrell
February 8th, 2012
5:25 pm
I mean seriously. What other teams would start Marvin(for 7 years) and Zaza? 2 of the clumsiest players in the league. Thats asking for trouble.
Teague/Joe/TMac/Josh/Ivan
Buddy Grizzard
February 8th, 2012
5:26 pm
“He may very well be all those things, but I’m just saying I’m not going to make any definitive judgments about him after two games.” – Najeh
Understood, but I’m learning to trust the eye test more. If he can hold his own vs. John Wall he can hold his own against alot of people. Maybe he’s had these couple big games because he caught people flat footed, and he’ll drop off the face of the earth once teams start game planning him. I’m just saying undersized guys who shoot every available shot are a dime a dozen. I’m not predicting a Nash-like career for the guy, but guys with Nash-like basketball IQ are NOT a dime a dozen.
terrell
February 8th, 2012
5:27 pm
Marvin = Bless his heart”. LMMFAO
terrell
February 8th, 2012
5:31 pm
“We needed a center when Al was here, not just when he went down”.
Quote of the day
terrell
February 8th, 2012
5:32 pm
“Bless his Heart” killin me with that fro. lol
DHD
February 8th, 2012
5:51 pm
For real though…..the NBA started back?
doc
February 8th, 2012
6:30 pm
so again what is your point when all of them are? he is right up there with the rest of this imbalanced munchkin team. and his one dimension is one that they cant fill right now so they are weaker without him. he fills one void and it helps open things up for the other ondimensional players we have.
doc
February 8th, 2012
6:35 pm
yoursport add something to the conversation we dont know about the hawks.
doc
February 8th, 2012
6:37 pm
yeah, me too gdad, especially bhh.
Hoops
February 9th, 2012
1:53 pm
Dampier is a man of style…check out the suit he wore on draft night – HILARIOUS!
http://hoopstopia.com/dampier-signs-10-day-contract-with/