Suns at Atlanta Hawks Game Thread

Vivlamore filling in for Cunningham. Here is your report from this morning’s shootaround in preparation for tonight’s game against the Suns.

The key to snapping a two-game losing streak is the Hawks’ defensive energy, according to coach Larry Drew.

As the Hawks host the Suns tonight, Drew emphasized defense to his team during the morning shootaround and with the media following the session.

“We can’t be a team with low energy,” Drew said. “If you are going to be small [with injuries to centers Al Horford and Jason Collins] you have to be a team that plays with a lot of energy. You have to be quick. Because you are a little smaller you have to do some things differently, particularly with us. Not having Al or Twin it limits us in a certain area as far as what our defensive schemes have been. Offensively nothing much changes there. It’s more on the defensive end. We’ll have to make some adjustments.”

Drew did say the Hawks needed to share the ball offensively, but his efforts were concentrated on the defensive side of the ball Monday.

While Josh Smith agrees that defense is a priority he is clearly more concerned with the offensive issues during the past two games.

“Everybody has their opinions,” said Smith when told of Drew’s comments about the defensive energy. “I think that defense is definitely the key to winning basketball games but if we don’t have any continuity on the offensive end it really definitely hurts us. When the ball sticks on one floor we get baited into playing one-on-one basketball. That’s what hurts this basketball team because when we are sharing the basketball, moving it from side to side, everybody is benefitting off goods shots, I think we help each other that much more on the defensive end.”

To clarify his remarks, I asked Smith if he was referring to ‘the notion of one person trying to do it all?’

“Iso … it’s pretty much self explanatory,” Smith answered.

Iso-Joe? Perhaps. The Hawks have had issues the past two games with several players trying to do too much in losses to the Grizzlies and 76ers.

“Definitely,” Joe Johnson said when asked if he agreed with Smith’s assessment. “I think we do get a little selfish at times out there. It’s part of it. You have a lot of guys that come out and try to do it on their own that hurts you even more. We have to get some ball movement, get everybody involved, get back to playing loose and having some fun.”

* Monday was the first day NBA teams were able to sign players to 10-day contracts. However, the Hawks had no immediate plans to do so in light of being without Collins for the next two weeks.

“Not a whole lot of news,” Drew said of the team’s pursuit of a big man. “Right now we are going as we are. We are a little small but we’ll just have to play the hand that’s dealt to us.”

* With the Suns in town, it marks the return of former Hawks draft pick Josh Childress. The former No. 6 overall pick is averaging 3.5 points per game for the Suns in 11 games, all off the bench.

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Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 6th, 2012
2:59 pm

“Monday was the first day NBA teams were able to sign players to 10-day contracts. However, the Hawks had no immediate plans to do so in light of being without Collins for the next two weeks.

“Not a whole lot of news,” Drew said of the team’s pursuit of a big man. “Right now we are going as we are. We are a little small but we’ll just have to play the hand that’s dealt to us.”

No changes needed, just more “defensive energy”
It all makes sense to me now :|

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

February 6th, 2012
3:00 pm

“we’ll just have to play the hand that’s dealt to us.”

LMFAO.

mountain_jim

February 6th, 2012
3:08 pm

dealt by the frickin owners.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 6th, 2012
3:11 pm

FTPB

“Hawks get Tyson Chandler, Markieff Morris, Grant Hill
Knicks get Steve Nash, Robin Lopez
Suns get Josh Smith, Marvin Williams, Iman Shumpert”

This is not a bad trade at all. Chandler is four years older than Josh, but his production probably isn’t going to drop for another two or three years, at least. And Markieff Morris has shown some promise. Ideally, since the Hawks are giving up the best player in that deal (ranking Josh over Nash due to age), they would also get a draft pick in that trade.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 6th, 2012
3:13 pm

I liked Josh Childress as a Hawk, but we wouldn’t be our duty as fans if we didn’t boo the sh-t out of him.

mountain_jim

February 6th, 2012
3:17 pm

So MC just works occasional home weekends now?

Najeh Davenpoop

February 6th, 2012
3:17 pm

With respect to the last two games, against the Grizzlies and the Sixers, I think Josh’s assessment is closer to the point than LD’s. The half court defense in both games was not that bad. What killed the Hawks was poor ball movement on offense, resulting in either turnovers or bad shots, which in turn resulted in transition opportunities for the other team. The field goal percentage and points in the paint allowed looks bad because of these transition baskets.

Teams like the Grizzlies and Sixers who don’t always have a real go-to scorer on the floor are at their best when they get those kind of easy buckets. Make them convert in the half court and they will struggle. But if you don’t take care of the ball and use possessions efficiently, you play right into their hands.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 6th, 2012
3:20 pm

That said, the Grizzlies game would have probably been closer if Josh had been more selfish and taken advantage of his matchup instead of forcing passes.

Astro Joe

February 6th, 2012
3:22 pm

Najeh, chances are, the Greek Afro won’t play.

Methinks that while Josh may begrudingly accept that Joe is going to take his fair number of shots, I suspect that he has little use for a PG who has as many FGAs as he does (especially a younger PG). Pure speculation on my part, I just think that the whole “move the ball” thing is a dog-whistle for “there is a pecking order and I’m the second option on this here team”.

Blodus

February 6th, 2012
3:23 pm

“The key to snapping the losing streak is a new coach” After today’s loss, I will do this team and the fans a favor and will resign.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 6th, 2012
3:23 pm

Childress played here last year and was pretty bad.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

February 6th, 2012
3:25 pm

Ivan, a 6″8 unknown rookie, looks forward to playing Center.

Horford is 6″10 and shrinks away from it

vajeje johnson

February 6th, 2012
3:25 pm

all off the bench- you’re kidding. I hate to think he was averaging 3.5 ppg starting.

SteveW

February 6th, 2012
3:26 pm

Najeh – thoughts about the All Star game:

I say travel to the All Star game with just two C’s on the East, Howard and Bosh. That’s all you need. Amare can play some spot C also.

Put Josh, and Peirce as backup F’s

JJ backup SG

DeRon at reserve PG.

Still have 2 spots open – I say Rondo and Iggy. The East would be small, but very athletic, and with great D. You could make arguments for Deng and Jennings, but I say stick with Rondo and Iggy.

Stein wants to put a Pacer player on there. Shaft Rondo, and stick Hibbert on there if needed.

But I’m a homer, and I’m really pushing for two All Stars from the Hawks, so it is what it is.

Shaft DeRon since he’s on a losing squad, and record plays a large role on the selections, and throw Jennings in there if you want. I’m just not sold that Jennings is as good as people are saying. I prefer DeRon at the Point.

Jody

February 6th, 2012
3:28 pm

Lol at somebody suggesting too much selfish play when he’s one of the top two main culprits.

Astro Joe

February 6th, 2012
3:29 pm

Najeh, cross-court passes are also lethal against teams like the 76ers and Grizzlies. I think in both cases, the opposing teams came ready to attack and immediately put the Hawks on their heels and they couldn’t recover. We’ve seen it with the T’Wolves and Pistons in the past few weeks, also. We just had the ability to roar back against the lesser teams.

It is interesting that Josh is emphasizing offensive excution in the above statement. That seems a little out of character.

SteveW

February 6th, 2012
3:34 pm

Interesting reading Josh’s comments. “While Josh Smith agrees that defense is a priority he is clearly more concerned with the offensive issues during the past two games.

“Everybody has their opinions,” said Smith when told of Drew’s comments about the defensive energy. “I think that defense is definitely the key to winning basketball games but if we don’t have any continuity on the offensive end it really definitely hurts us. When the ball sticks on one floor we get baited into playing one-on-one basketball. That’s what hurts this basketball team because when we are sharing the basketball, moving it from side to side, everybody is benefitting off goods shots, I think we help each other that much more on the defensive end.”

So Josh says LD’s thoughts are everybody having their own opinions. Hilarious! Hey Grandad, how would you like one of your players saying, everybody has their own opinions, talking about the Coach?

The other thing I’ve noticed Josh say, not just here but another time also, is that offensive touches affect his defense. You gotta grow beyond that. He includes everyone in this quote, but if you never see the ball on O – you still have to play stellar D. The one should not affect the other. Gotta grow mentally here.

ejay

February 6th, 2012
3:36 pm

Josh Smith: Field Goal Percentage By Location
From Hoopdata, through last night’s game:

Location FGA/G eFG%
At the rim 4.8 69.6
Everywhere else 8.7 33.7

STRETCH

February 6th, 2012
3:36 pm

Love Just Joe’s trade! Chandlers a tough guy that hits the boards and G Hill still has something in the tank. Dont know much about Morris but either way they get rid of Marvin and the crybaby Josh.

I mean seriously, how much more can one organization tolerate from a 7th year stubborn PF who constantly kills team chemistry? Oh, i forgot, we are talking about the Atlanta Hawks.

The only organization who in the league who still thinks they will be a 3 or 4 seed with Pachulia starting. The only organization in the league who thinks Al will come back 100% and lead them to the promised land!

And they wonder why other teams come to ATL and their fans own the place?

KevinM

February 6th, 2012
3:40 pm

Steve, Josh isn’t going to be an all-star…he has been too inconsistent lately and IMO he should be averaging a double double with Al being out. That hasn’t been the case and he needs to be a 20/10 guy for us. I know he’s not Zach Randolph, but he has to be our Zach Randolph. His minutes should be the only thing we should be worried about.
Don’t be surprised if its Mikki Moore from the NBDL that gets a call. Another guy who needs to learn from Collins about how to keep a job more than a year. Somehow, Collins can keep coming back year after year.
Say we get the same results as last year, do we seriously have justification to keep Sund and LD?

Dawg

February 6th, 2012
3:40 pm

The is nothing in this article that would make a Hawk’s fan feel good.

Rod from College Park

February 6th, 2012
3:41 pm

Buddy Grizzard,

Playing Marvin more minutes won’t result in his numbers increasing. He will just turn invisible for those remaining minutes. I have no idea where some here are getting the Marvin is having a career year nonsense from. He is averaging 10.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 44%FG, and 49%3pt. Same numbers as last year, with the exception of his 3pt % which is up. No team will trade for him, unless they are trying to get rid of some garbage. They guy can’t post up Jodie Meeks or Jrue Holiday.

I am not sure what your problem with Pargo is, but he is just as good as Kirk at this point. Pargo was an extremely good backup point guard behind CP3 two years ago, and had serious knee problems which forced him to have 2 knee surgeries. He seems to be just getting back to old form, and was doing a good job of running the second unit, not giving up leads, and knocking down shots before Kirk came back. Kirk is not a point guard anymore, and if his shot is not falling, he is useless. I have not been impressed with his defense either, as quick pg’s blow by him as well. I hope Kirk is only being played to showcase him for a trade, because the team has been much worse since he came back.

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 6th, 2012
3:45 pm

Seeing as how others prefer posting under my user I D, coupled with I have nothing new to say here, I’ll just enjoy reading my favorite blogger’s comments. At least until we get a big man hopefully, he will bring more than a pulse and and visible signs of respiration.

Until then, I look forward to seeing Zaza and, Ivan doing his work in the paint.

Astro Joe

February 6th, 2012
3:48 pm

Kevin, despite the comments of several bloggers, the lost of Al will likely result in Sund and LD coming back next season, especially if they are able to replicate the team’s outcome while missing their All-Star center (I know that offends many around here, but the fact remains that he is a two-time All-Star center).

Ra'mon

February 6th, 2012
3:49 pm

AJ, I haven’t commented much, because I haven’t really seen the last three games. But I think Josh doesn’t mind a PG who has that many FGAs. However, I think what Josh minds is a PG who looks to score FIRST before passing. In other words, if Teague gets his points after the ball swings, or is going from side to side, that is cool. But if Teague chooses to penetrate more often than swinging first, you’re not getting the defense off balance BEFORE attacking. This leads to harder offensive rebounds, and tougher fga in the lane. The other day when Josh was benched for the 3rd, I did see the last play he was in. And that turnover had as much to do with Teague inability to know when to come and get the ball, when a teammate is in distress than Josh’s bad pass. With 4-5 seconds left on the clock, and Josh is on the baseline (also Josh picked up his dribble AFTER Zaza didn’t clear out after missing his shot attempt), Teague has to know, he can’t stay at the top of the key, instead he has to move to the side so he can give Josh a better passing lane. On that sequence, Josh ended up mad at Zaza and Teague (can’t say I blame him for that one).

People are saying Josh are taking way too many bad shots. However, against Memphis, he only attempted two jumpers OUTSIDE of the lane. And three turnovers isn’t great, but it certainly isn’t enough to bench a player over.

Against Philadelphia, Josh that simply had a bad shooting night, that wasn’t basketball IQ. He only took 5 jumpers (going 1 for 5), but he also went 1 for 6 around the basket, that’s not basketball IQ, that’s simply having a bad night. If anything, Josh seems like he may be exhausted physically, and is losing his legs a little, causing bad shooting. Josh hustles so much on defense, and even more with the injuries. I truly think he is fatigued more than anything, but could be wrong.

And for those who say Josh needs to use the shot selection of Ivan Johnson, need to back up from the television. Ivan shoots a higher percentage of his shots from outside the lane than Josh does. And in only 15 minutes per game (less than half of Josh’s playing time), he is committing half the amount of turnovers Josh commits in 33.5 minutes per game, at a much higher usage. So its easy to assume that if Ivan was to receive more playing time, his turnover would be even greater (evident by the fact of 5 of the last 7 games, Ivan has committed 2 turnovers in less than 29 minutes of play).

drmaryb.[*_*].

February 6th, 2012
3:50 pm

I cant wait until my baby daddy G-dad post !

Whew Chile!

Baby I can be your motivation ! (and I’m not talking about Viagra !)

STRETCH

February 6th, 2012
3:50 pm

This is what ESPN had to say about the Hawks:

“Sorry, Hawks. Can’t give you two All-Stars when you have four wins in 12 tries against .500-or-better teams. The consolation: Atlanta is a tidy 12-0 against teams with losing records to rank as the only unbeaten team in that category even after losing Horford. And it’s 10-1 when Joe Johnson scores 20-plus.”

They ranked them 14th, while the Timberwoves,(while i like their core(no pun intended), are ranked 12th behind Portland at 11. The Celtics come in at 13.

Get a big Sund!

Najeh Davenpoop

February 6th, 2012
3:52 pm

“It is interesting that Josh is emphasizing offensive excution in the above statement. That seems a little out of character.”

This isn’t the first time he’s emphasized sharing the ball. I wish he would share the ball with Teague after getting defensive rebounds, though.

honest_abe

February 6th, 2012
3:56 pm

Methinks that while Josh may begrudingly accept that Joe is going to take his fair number of shots, I suspect that he has little use for a PG who has as many FGAs as he does (especially a younger PG). Pure speculation on my part, I just think that the whole “move the ball” thing is a dog-whistle for “there is a pecking order and I’m the second option on this here team”.

i concur. josh should be the 4th or 5th offensive option but he wants to be the guy that the offense runs through. it’s asinine. josh is hurting the development of teague. there are way too many instances of teague becoming a bystander, passively watching others throw up bricks and turning the ball over. everyone on this blog knows about my disgust for josh because he’s a selfish loser.

doc: too bad we couldn’t meet up. i left early for the game so i didn’t have access to the blogs. got there and left at halftime as i felt like going to that game was the biggest waste of time. awful.

Ra'mon

February 6th, 2012
3:56 pm

SteveW, show me where Josh ever stated that offensive touches affects HIS defense? It doesn’t. He’s saying lack of ball moving and getting everyone involved, affects the TEAM defense. And I don’t know one analyst (Hubie Brown, JVG, any of them) who doesn’t agree with this same statement. If you look at majority of Josh’s turnovers, they come from passes attempting to get teammates involved, not from dribbling mistakes (like are over exaggerated on this blog). Josh’s assist rate dropped when Horford went down, not because he stopped passing as much, but because Horford’s hands (who was normally on the other end of the passes under the basket) are much better than Zaza’s catching a pass or finishing at the rim. I’m not a drinking man, but if you took two shots of Jack Daniels every time Zaza dropped a pass, or missed a point blank layup, you’d be drunk by half time.

Spanish Speaking Sicilian

February 6th, 2012
3:57 pm

I love Mr. Davenpoop’s insightful comments. My hat off to you, sir.

O'Brien

February 6th, 2012
3:57 pm

I’m with AJ. Look for LD’s 3rd year contract option to be picked up, and look for Sund to take another one year deal (after all, who is going to hire him).

Even if the Hawks lose in the 1st round, the justification will be “we did not have Al”.

beone

February 6th, 2012
3:58 pm

Everyone has their opinions. I wonder if Josh thinks his are more important than the Coach’s. Even if Josh is correct and LD is wrong, that is an issue.

Najeh Davenpoop

February 6th, 2012
3:59 pm

“I have no idea where some here are getting the Marvin is having a career year nonsense from. He is averaging 10.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 44%FG, and 49%3pt. Same numbers as last year, with the exception of his 3pt % which is up.”

His rebound rate, assist rate, 3 point percentage, and true shooting percentage are at career highs, while his turnover rate is at a career low. He is definitely having a career year from a per-minute standpoint.

Of course, the fact that this is the best he has played in his career only highlights what a disappointment his career has been. But at least he has become a pretty efficient role player, which is what he frustratingly failed to be consistently for the last six years.

Ra'mon

February 6th, 2012
4:02 pm

Najeh, AJ, O’B, Here’s the solution for it all. Marvin can’t handle the ball, Zaza can’t handle the ball. Joe is normally doubled. So out of the starters, Josh is the 2nd best player to handle the ball in the half court offense. So this is how you change this. Start McGrady over Marvin! McGrady will be able to have the ball in his hands more, and run the offense through him at the top of the key, on majority of your plays. This will also cut down on the inability to score on defenses in the beginning of the 3rd quarter! Let McGrady be the general at the beginning of the first and third quarters, and at the end of the fourth quarter. He still will average the same amount of minutes, but give you more options on who to possess the ball more.

Teague – Joe- McGrady – Josh – Zaza

Kirk – Willie Green – Marvin – Ivan (go to a 9 man rotation on majority of the nights, Vlad is a liability).

Rod from College Park

February 6th, 2012
4:04 pm

LD has been taking shots at Josh in the media this year, and Josh has taken a few shots back at LD. Not sure what that relationship really is, but it’s something to keep and eye on. I have to side with Josh on his comments though. Defense was not the problem in the Philly or Memphis game. Especially not from Josh’s perspective. It was offesive execution. Iso’s, dumb passes, and jumpshots caused many fastbreak baskets for both teams, which has nothing to do with defense. We should not be running iso’s at all without Jamal Crawford, as was the most effective iso player on the team. Joe is not an Iso guy unless he gets hot. I don’t understand why they don’t post him on the block more, as he can shoot over his man, and he also is deadly with that floater. That top of the key tricky dribble jump shot is terrible offense. TMac has to look to score. If he can’t score consistently, we are in serious trouble. I llok for us to get a win tonight, as Pheonix plays no defense, but when we play solid defensive teams, with this bad offense, we will continue to loose by double digits.

LT

February 6th, 2012
4:09 pm

“There is nothing in this article that would make a Hawk’s fan feel good.”

Agree…. smh

Rod from College Park

February 6th, 2012
4:10 pm

Ra’mon

“Start McGrady over Marvin! McGrady will be able to have the ball in his hands more, and run the offense through him at the top of the key, on majority of your plays.”

It’s really not that difficult. It’s actually very obvious. Marvin does not handle the ball longer than 2 seconds at any time, so he poses no threat. That is why his turnovers are so low. You don’t want to overuse Mcgrady, but that one move alone would make our starting unit 10 times better. Marvin is not sarting material. He is a standstill jumpshooter, and that it it.

Big Lou

February 6th, 2012
4:11 pm

With respect to the last two games, against the Grizzlies and the Sixers, I think Josh’s assessment is closer to the point than LD’s. The half court defense in both games was not that bad. What killed the Hawks was poor ball movement on offense, resulting in either turnovers or bad shots, which in turn resulted in transition opportunities for the other team. The field goal percentage and points in the paint allowed looks bad because of these transition baskets.

Agreed. Yet, LD is a complete idiot; he will not address the issues of his poor offensive schemes, horrid ability to utilize mismatches, and players’ ability to make free throws/drive to the basket. Even if the Hawks land a big man, they will continue to lose against good teams because of these reasons. It’s pretty pathetic that Jeff Teague(always hated on by LD, which screws him up), and Ivan Johnson are the only players on the team who have a clue. We need a coach that demands discipline from his players.

Ra'mon

February 6th, 2012
4:11 pm

Beone, Not only did Josh say this, but Joe echoed it. Its ASG fault. Stop getting these first term coaches who the players see no credibility in, so they can command respect. In the NBA, an assistant coach is almost like an employee to the PLAYERS not head coach. But you go and promote him. Go get Mike Fratello, JVG, Hubie Brown, and so on. Josh Smith’s entire career, you can not point to one season where he’s EVER been coached by someone in the top 10 in coaching abilities. And in actuality, this is his 2nd season ever with a coach who had offensive plays. Al had Donovan (a mastermind on offense) in college, Joe had D’Antoni, Kirk had Roy Williams and Flip Saunders. Josh came from high school where the play was ‘Get Josh the ball and move back’. That’s the problem. As an organization, don’t draft a PROSPECT (which Josh was) if you’re not committed to putting people who KNOW what they’re talking about around the guy. There’s no way, I’d take a high IQ’d 18 year old kid and stick him the mail room to ‘learn’ how to run the company. Josh failures speak more of this organization than anything if you TRULY think about it. Because no matter how you look at it. Josh and Al are the only players drafted (Teague still in early stages) by the Hawks to even be close to successful in the NBA in the last 10 seasons. That’s an organizational problem more than the players. What other team in the league can say they’ve only drafted or developed 2 considerably productive players. Memphis has more, OKC has more, Washington has more, Orlando, the CLIPPERS, Philly, Indiana.

Ole Hawks's Fan

February 6th, 2012
4:13 pm

Imagine Josh(with the turn over, out of control PG and Jump Shooting(With the crowd hollering Nooooooooooooo) talking about sharing the ball. That is so stupid. He doesn’t hustle back down the court on defense, he always argueing the call as the opposing team is bring the ball back down the court, make a statement in this BLOG nor ISO JJ(Is Woody still the coach?) letting the shot close run down as he attempts a fade away Jumper. Phoenix will blow this team out tonight. These guys(core) has tuned LD out and will not do as he suggest. I’m tired of Josh statements after a LOST and he isn’t looking in the mirrow. He needs to be moved out of his home town and go with a coach who want take his Me first baskeball and will make him ride the pine until the Light Bulb(If there is one) comes on upstairs. This is a dysfunctional core group that will never advance to the ECF as constructed. Blow the DAMN TEAM UP. Fire LD, ASG and SUND!

Ra'mon

February 6th, 2012
4:14 pm

Rod, Marvin is a Pole that can make jump shots, nothing else, nothing more. Right now teams are playing 5 on 3 against the Hawks on offense, and they wonder why Joe is doubled, and Josh making turnovers.

LT

February 6th, 2012
4:19 pm

“Everyone has their opinions. I wonder if Josh thinks his are more important than the Coach’s. Even if Josh is correct and LD is wrong, that is an issue.”

Agree…

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

February 6th, 2012
4:20 pm

Again I ask the question.

Why is Marvin Williams starting?

LT

February 6th, 2012
4:21 pm

No accountability on this team… From NOBODY!

Astro Joe

February 6th, 2012
4:22 pm

Yeah, we’ve all read Josh talk about moving the ball, just never quite like ‘dam the defense, we need to move the ball”. That entire sentiment is what I consider to be out of character.

Ra’mon, I’ve seen Teague make some “young PG mistajes” too. But there are times when his quickness provides the team’s greatest mismatch. So if he can get to the rim easily, that isn’t a bad offensive play for the team.

Now, I do recall in the memphis game, Gasol rotated on a pick and roll and was stuck on the perimeter. Teague easily penetrated for a basket with no shotblocker in sight. In the very next possession, they ran the same play but this time Gasol stayed in the paint. Teague opted to penetrate again and his shot was sent in the other direction.

Hopefully, they will “all just get along”.

Rod from College Park

February 6th, 2012
4:26 pm

“Rod, Marvin is a Pole that can make jump shots, nothing else, nothing more. Right now teams are playing 5 on 3 against the Hawks on offense, and they wonder why Joe is doubled, and Josh making turnovers.”

I have been making this point for 3 years. It does not look as bad with Horford, but now with bad hands Zaza, there is no way Marvin should start. McGrady seems to know how to get Zaza the ball in scoring position, as well, as I am almost positive that he is responsible for most of Zaza’s assist this year. If this lineup with Marvin is trotted out in the playoffs, I would be willing to bet anyone, that we will get beat worse than ever.

Ra'mon

February 6th, 2012
4:30 pm

Simple question, if you’re in a car, and the driver is leading you down the wrong road, are you going to say anything, or just ride? You’re on the plane, and the pilot is leading you into the trees, are you going to stop him, or just ride? You’re an NBA player watching your prime years go by with no postseason success, and the coach(es) continue trying to do the same thing that caused you to lose before, are you going to say something or just ride?

There are only 2 coaches in the NBA that would have Marvin Williams starting the last 3-4 seasons, and the Hawks hired both of them. There are only 2 coaches in the NBA who would’ve started Bibby the last 3-4 seasons, and the Hawks hired both of them. There’s been no recent coach in the last 15 seasons to win a title with a motion offense. But the Hawks hired the coach who think it can happen. There’s been only one team who won a title with no offensive game plan in the last 20 seasons, and the Hawks hired the one who thought he could do it annually.

Until its new management, new coaches, new owners, I’m going to think the best things for Joe and Josh career’s is to be traded or amnestied. Because this team in suits, isn’t bringing any banners to this arena, unless its David Banner or the Hulk.

O'Brien

February 6th, 2012
4:30 pm

Rod,

The one play call that makes no sense to me is the Iso-JJ at the end of quarters. He hardly ever scores on those isos.

I’m with Najeh. They need to let Teague handle the ball at the end of the quarter, because the JJ iso leads to the other 4 players standing around, while JJ goes 1 on 2, and most of the time, he is unsuccessful.

Rod from College Park

February 6th, 2012
4:31 pm

Ole Hawks’s Fan

“He doesn’t hustle back down the court on defense, he always argueing the call as the opposing team is bring the ball back down the court, make a statement in this BLOG nor ISO JJ(Is Woody still the coach?) letting the shot close run down as he attempts a fade away Jumper.”

Wow. He did all those things and still had 7 blocks in one game (LOL). Never seen a guy who never hustles, and argues all the time do that. If he was not hustling, then what were Marvin and Joe doing?