Sixers at Atlanta Hawks: Game thread
- The Hawks said Jason Collins will miss at least two weeks with what they said is a sprained left elbow. Elton Brand (thumb) is out for the Sixers. Spencer Hawes (Achilles) will play.
- Collins is glad his injury wasn’t worse: “I didn’t break it, didn’t dislocate it. We will look at it in two weeks and be re-evaluated.”
- There are different degrees of sprains, which also can mean torn ligaments, but neither Collins nor Larry Drew would get into the details of Twin’s diagnosis. “They said for me to say a sprain,” Collins said.
- Drew said the Hawks are looking at candidates to sign to a 10-day contract. “It’s possible,” he said. “We met yesterday and talked about it and tossed some names around. We will keep doing that until we make a decision what we want to do.”
- Available free-agent centers include Erick Dampier, Kyrylo Fesenko, Dan Gadzuric, DJ Mbenga, and Joel Przybilla (who appears headed to Miami or Chicago). Theo Ratliff says he’s done.
- For now, the Hawks will use forward Ivan Johnson to back up Zaza Pachulia. Drew said Josh Smith also will play minutes at center while Vladimir Radmanoivic and Marvin Williams could see time at power forward. “We will be moving people around, without a doubt,” Drew said. “Game-to-game we will just have to look at the matchups and see what makes sense where we are not putting ourselves at a disadvantage.”
- Josh on losing another big man: “I guess we’ve just we’ve got to roll with the punches. In this short season when you look around the league every team has had a significant injury. We are limited at the big position. I will have to play some minutes at the five position. We just have to man up and not worry about it and just step in and be there for each other.”
- Joe Johnson: “We ain’t got no choice, man. We’ve got to step up and try to do something a little different. With the way the season is, it’s going to be somebody dropping different every week in the league. We have got to do whatever we can to stay as healthy as we can. We have got to keep rolling with that we’ve got. Somebody has got to step up and fill that void.”
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Big Lou
February 4th, 2012
10:06 pm
“I went to eat. I’m back. I’ll respond to your posts one by one.
The weakest argument in the book is to call anyone who disagrees with you a hater.”
Don’t bother. Your arguments and ‘facts’ that you have given has shown me how much of a Falcon’s fan you are. You are the King of the Hawks blog, either than Big Ray. Yet, your bias in football makes you look really bad. Gnight all.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:06 pm
“17 interceptions is not acceptable!”
Eli Manning threw 16 picks this year and he’s starting in the Super Bowl.
Interceptions is one stat. Newton being below average in that doesn’t singlehandedly outweigh him being Pro Bowl caliber in every other stat.
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:07 pm
Blank shooting Blanks!
Blame everybody else but Ryan for his noodle arm and very poor pocket awareness…….
You had 3 years to watch how teams exploit his weakness…Especially in the playoffs…Just brutal to watch Joey 2.0!
Somebody look up his record over the last 3 regular seasons against the winners..He’s something like 2-9 last 11 games against teams above .500.. Absolutely pathetic!
And that game against the Giants in the playoffs was indescribable…A complete meltdown like Millions of football fans have ever witnessed! Surreal it was………… Blah Blah blah…..Yawn….
If Vick put up those kinds of stats I would lite him up too….
Up next 0-4……..Yawn……………………..
doc
February 4th, 2012
10:07 pm
greg oden done in portland, according to nba tv. had surgery on left knee, right knee surgery coming. roy out sad outcome for what looked so promising.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:08 pm
“Your arguments and ‘facts’ that you have given has shown me how much of a Falcon’s fan you are.”
Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to be a sheep. If that was the case I wouldn’t be hating on the DASG all the time. Criticizing your team doesn’t make you any less of a fan. Otherwise, I’d be sitting here saying Joe is better than Kobe, Josh is better than Blake Griffin, LD is the next Phil Jackson, etc.
yodaddybrother
February 4th, 2012
10:12 pm
@Crazy_88
The Atlanta Hawks can beat Philly in a series though mainly because we have too many mismatches for Philly. They play those guards to death but as you saw in the last 15 minutes of this game, the Hawks can crank up the intensity and force them into tough situations. Overall it was too little too late but in the playoffs the Hawks will have more urgency.
The Hawks can also beat the Pacers in a series….Bulls too because they really have only 1 guy. The Hawks don’t want to play Miami or the Celtics so a 3,4,5 seed is what they are playing for.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:12 pm
“Sanchez had 26 and 18 interceptions, and Matt Ryan had 29 and 12 interceptions. You sir, FAIL.”
You know that rushing stats also count, right? Sanchez had 6 rushing TDs this year. Ryan had 2. Add them up, and Sanchez had 32 TDs, Ryan 31.
TDs are overrated as an individual stat. They are entirely a product of team usage and play calling.
Big Lou
February 4th, 2012
10:14 pm
Being a fan doesn’t mean you have to be a sheep. If that was the case I wouldn’t be hating on the DASG all the time. Criticizing your team doesn’t make you any less of a fan. Otherwise, I’d be sitting here saying Joe is better than Kobe, Josh is better than Blake Griffin, LD is the next Phil Jackson, etc.
No. I agree. Yet, throwing up bogus stats about Mark Sanchez(who has less touchdowns and more interceptions then Matt Ryan by the way) to prove a point shows me that you will change anything around to make you right. Which in turn, shows me that you are being objective and downright ludicrous.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:15 pm
“Yet, throwing up bogus stats about Mark Sanchez(who has less touchdowns and more interceptions then Matt Ryan by the way) ”
Sanchez has 32 TDs, Ryan has 31. Rushing stats count just the same as passing stats.
Big Lou
February 4th, 2012
10:15 pm
You know that rushing stats also count, right? Sanchez had 6 rushing TDs this year. Ryan had 2. Add them up, and Sanchez had 32 TDs, Ryan 31.
Rushing touchdowns do not count in REAL QB touchdowns. Only pass touchdowns thrown. Stop skewing the stats. This isn’t fantasy football.
doc
February 4th, 2012
10:16 pm
durn tuned onto what i thought was the hawks blog and it seems i ended up in the falcons blog. so sorry for the interruption.
Walt Frazier
February 4th, 2012
10:16 pm
We’ve followed the Falcons all the way to the bitter end of the season and into the playoffs, only to be disapointed. But at least the owner and the coaches and the GM were trying to explain to the media (fans represented)_the changes that are going to take place. In the case of the Hawks-they need to continue to look for a buyer and take this sinking ship out of Atlanta. If the Hawk make the playoffs, then look for them to repeat the same type of play. Larry Drew hasn’t learned anything from last season as a rookie coach and he doing things like benching Teague-and putting his confidence at risk. Teague was the high scorer in the Philly game and continue to show promise. I don’t like what Drew is doing. Management is so boneheaded and uninvolved with this team, that it will let him get away with these types of stupid decisions. Hawks management isn’t on any level-able to communicate with the fans in this city, their intention of doing anything, other than hoping, that this Hawks team can make it to the playoffs. Now that their center position is out for the season, their weakness is on display for all the NBA to see. Now, teams will take advantage of that and the Hawk will be headed to a losing streak that will take them to 500 and they’ll be fighting for an 8th seed.
Big Lou
February 4th, 2012
10:17 pm
We do not look at QBs for their rushing abilities. We look at them for their passing. You began your argument with a YPA argument, not RYA. Just quit while your ahead.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:17 pm
In any case this is pointless because the whole point of even bringing up Sanchez was to show that TDs are overrated. You are taking a stat I used, misinterpreting it, and applying it to an argument I didn’t even make. Sanchez has a lot of TDs because they call sneaks on the goal line and throw fades to Burress instead of running it in with Shonn Greene and Tomlinson. I don’t think Sanchez is better than Ryan by a long shot, so who cares.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:18 pm
“Rushing touchdowns do not count in REAL QB touchdowns. Only pass touchdowns thrown.”
Oh, so only passing TDs count? Rushing TDs count for six points in fantasy but zero points in real life? Oh I see. Fantastic argument there.
Hollywould
February 4th, 2012
10:19 pm
Yodaddy, Sir, you are delusional
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:19 pm
” You began your argument with a YPA argument, not RYA. Just quit while your ahead.”
No, I began my argument by saying the Hawks are better than the Falcons. Why we are even talking about Ryan, I don’t know. He is just one component of the Falcons’ mediocrity, not even the main culprit.
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:21 pm
Hey Najeh, we are about 4 years ahead of the curve on Ryan..I figure it will take about 3-4 years for the cool-aide drinkin sheep to catch up…So be patient with them Sir…..lol…
Blah
February 4th, 2012
10:21 pm
“If Vick put up those kinds of stats I would lite him up too….”
We all know that’s a lie.
Vick was terrible this season and he cost them the playoff game vs GB. I’ll bet you were cheering for him though.
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:22 pm
Be patient with em Najeh! lol
O'Brien
February 4th, 2012
10:22 pm
doc,
If I was Jamal, I would have stayed away from Portland. There may be something in the water up there.
Big Lou,
Good catch lol.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:23 pm
3 boards in 23 minutes for the best backup center in the league, and outplayed by the D-League power forward turned center coming off the bench.
drmaryb.[*_*].
February 4th, 2012
10:23 pm
Bloginator don’t want none of what I got. LOL
My ASKG rant was too raw, I suppose.
O'Brien
February 4th, 2012
10:24 pm
I’m with Najeh. Hawks are better than the Falcons. That being said, I have more confidence in the Falcons ownership and GM than I do the Hawks ownership and GM.
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:24 pm
Flacco 5
Noddle Arm 0
Blah
February 4th, 2012
10:25 pm
Simple question: Why couldn’t Vick get them to back to back winning seasons? Doesn’t seem like a big accomplishment yet he couldn’t do it.
Expecting a reply from someone blaming everyone else.
If Ryan gets blamed for payoff losses, where’s the Vick blame for not ending the streak? lol
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:26 pm
2-9 is pathetic….BlahBlah Blah
Draft history
February 4th, 2012
10:27 pm
doc
February 4th, 2012
10:07 pm
greg oden done in portland, according to nba tv. had surgery on left knee, right knee surgery coming. roy out sad outcome for what looked so promising.
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And yet early in the season, many including barkley were saying portland was the best in the west. They bounced back well and also were playing the kind of way we were playing when al first went down. But a player like roy, oden, al will just be flAt out missed over the course of a long season
Blah
February 4th, 2012
10:28 pm
Flacco = average with great defense carying him
Ryan = average with no defense
Vick = average, brittle, and overrated with a dream team missing the playoffs
TReal
February 4th, 2012
10:28 pm
It’s time to break up this team. They need to get cap space and draft picks. This team has met its ceiling. The 76er’s, Pacers and Bulls have all passed the Hawks. So I would build a team around Jeff Teague and Al Horford. The hawks could draft a low post player like Jared Sullinger, a shooter like John Jenkins and a scorer like William Buford. This team wasn’t put together properly.
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:28 pm
Flacco 5
Noddle Arm 0< ZILCH<NADA<DOUGHNUT<ZERO……..
up next 0-4….Yawn…….
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:29 pm
Shutout by the 27th ranked f”king defense……………………………….? Huh?
yodaddybrother
February 4th, 2012
10:29 pm
Hawks need to call up Etan Thomas…another tough guy
Blah
February 4th, 2012
10:30 pm
Slim got no response for Vick losing and quitting on his fans when he was here lol
Now he’s in Philly. 100M waste and injury prone. Might be a worse contract than Joe Johnson, at least JJ’s sorry ass stays healthy lol.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:30 pm
Josh needs to put in some extra time in practice and get that lefty hook in the post working again. The big man depth is still the biggest problem for this team, but another problem that has shown up in the last couple of games is that the Hawks often can’t get reliable offense from anyone. They went through a few stretches today when they were bricking very makeable rhythm shots.
On nights like this when hot and cold players like Willie Green and Vlad are off, the Hawks need their “new big 3″ to step up, and 2/11 is not good enough from Josh. Missing jumpers is bad enough, but it’s worse to me if he is missing shots in the post or near the basket, because without a post threat the Hawks become very predictable offensively.
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:31 pm
LOL..
Up next Phoenix..
Phoenix by 17….Sad…..
Blah
February 4th, 2012
10:32 pm
Vick’s last playoff game? Game ending interception vs Green Bay. Damn.
Ryan is average, don’t care about him. But you love Vick lol
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:33 pm
Be patient GRASSHOPPER…….In and out aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh…….
Blah
February 4th, 2012
10:34 pm
Vick is 32 years old ain’t he? That athleticism will be gone soon and injuries will last longer. What a waste. Worst decision the Falcons ever made.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:35 pm
For all the talk of the Hawks’ bench being much improved (and they are), the Sixers’ bench outscored the Hawks’ bench 54-29.
54 (!!!) points for the Sixers’ bench. That sh-t cray. And most of those points were in the paint, too.
Najeh Davenpoop
February 4th, 2012
10:36 pm
Blah, are you talking to someone, or just yourself?
Blah
February 4th, 2012
10:36 pm
Vick will be out there looking like old Roy Jones. BOOM, ring the bell, carry him out lol.
Blah
February 4th, 2012
10:38 pm
I could ask you the same thing Najeh. The other fans are gone, unless you’re just mad at the Vick talk hahaha
RaJaH
February 4th, 2012
10:42 pm
ATL’s best franchise player is Angel McCoughtry. At least her teams make it to the finals…
Blah
February 4th, 2012
10:43 pm
Let me just say: You see how this Hawks thread was taken over and dominanted by Falcons talk, Najeh? Just an example of why they get more coverage.
Night everybody.
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:44 pm
doc
February 4th, 2012
10:00 pm
“yeah slimj, that was my concern the thud of fallling back to where we are really after the heights of january. just like last year.”
doc u were right on the money with your concerns..It’s unfolding right before our eyes in HD rapidly Sir.
I made an enthusiastic prediction of 9-4 during this tough stretch but wow..May have to flip the script and make it 4-9? whew………..
KevinM
February 4th, 2012
10:47 pm
Until we improve the post, we will continue with what we saw tonight.
Zaza is not able to handle the role he has been given. Marvin is barely a SF, much less standing in for a stint at PF.
Anyone else tired of hearing about our versatility?
This 10 day contract list is a joke right?
Draft history
February 4th, 2012
10:47 pm
Najeh:
On nights like this when hot and cold players like Willie Green and Vlad are off, the Hawks need their “new big 3″ to step up, and 2/11 is not good enough from Josh. Missing jumpers is bad enough, but it’s worse to me if he is missing shots in the post or near the basket, because without a post threat the Hawks become very predictable offensively.
Vlad rad had a +5 margin when he was in the game as his length worked well defending the smallish sixer players
Slimjr
February 4th, 2012
10:47 pm
“54 (!!!) points for the Sixers’ bench. That sh-t cray. And most of those points were in the paint, too.”
Those “nimbers” are startling and revealing….
This maybe the start of an epic collapse dare say I?
STRETCH
February 4th, 2012
10:48 pm
yodaddybrother.
The Hawks cant beat the Sixers or the Pacers. Its time to blow it up. this is how basketball works, when teams like the Sixers and Pacers start to own you, then you have done all you can. You are done.
Yes the Hawks can play with the Heat and Bulls, but they cant play against teams that are more younger and more physical than they are. The Sixers and Pacers give the Hawks fits.
Then next thing: They will always suck, cause of management and the personnel they have. this is NOT a championship caliber team. A few reasons why:
Josh Smith is a a whining brat that is NOT mature enough to lead a team.
Joe Johnson is not the guy to lead a team.
Larry Drew is a terrible IN GAME manager and he will continue to get abused by the leagues better coaches and will coninue to kiss Josh Smiths Azzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!
NOW THE REAL HAWKS ARE SHOWING UP FOLKS. THE QUITTERS THEY ARE KNOWN FOR. THE ONES CHARLES BARKLEY TALKED ABOUT 3 WEEKS AGO.
The worst management in the NBA in 40 years. Everybody in the world knows they need a center but Sund and company are gonna use Ivan Johnson. Are you serious?????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!