Atlanta Hawks at Hornets: Game thread

Jeff Teague will start at point guard for the Hawks tonight against the Hornets. Teague said he felt “fine” despite the sprained ankle that limited him during Friday’s win against Pistons.

“Jeff is a go,” coach Larry Drew said before the game. “He was moving around on it pretty good yesterday. He hasn’t mentioned that it is bothering him to the point that we have to limit him. We’ll keep an eye on him. Right now, he is a full go.”

Drew said he would split reserve minutes between Kirk Hinrich and Jannero Pargo.

“He has been playing really well for us,” Drew said of Pargo. “That’s why we got him.”

Hinrich, who played 31 minutes against the Pistons after Teague left late in the third quarter, said he is working to regain form as quickly as possible.

“I want to get my game back,” Hinrich said. “I feel rusty and I just want to help any way I can right now and get my rhythm back.”

* Austin Barker, a 17-year-old high school student from Mississippi scheduled for a bone marrow transplant this week, was the guest of Hawks trainer Wally Blase Sunday.

Barker, who is at Tulane Children’s Hospital, attended the game with his father and two friends. He received a hat signed by the Hawks.

The non-profit organization Sunshine Kids brought Baker’s situation to Blase’s attention. Blase worked with the Hornets to organize the outing.

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Vino

January 29th, 2012
6:19 pm

Vino

January 29th, 2012
6:20 pm

WE need size people

lil Neek

January 29th, 2012
6:21 pm

Macaroni Tony

January 29th, 2012
6:24 pm

Lets go Hawks!

i_am_soulstar

January 29th, 2012
6:25 pm

Hope the Hawks don’t sleep on this squad. They beat the holy hell out of the Magic a few days ago. Hopefully, we learned a lesson from Detroit.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
6:27 pm

Hey, WHERES THE BEEF?

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
6:29 pm

Just win BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
6:33 pm

Who’s starting for the Hornets tonight and where are our mismatches?

Ra'mon

January 29th, 2012
6:35 pm

Josh is going for 34 tonight, with 17 rebounds. Joe going for 26 tonight.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
6:41 pm

Good to see Teague back.

GET A DAMN BIG MAN

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
6:41 pm

Go TEAGUE!

TEAGUE= DA BLUR!

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
6:42 pm

“Had I played JeJe this week, I’d be up 7 – 4.

My goal is to simply make the playoffs. (Once I get in, I’ll win it).”

not so fast..

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
6:43 pm

We get to see J.Smith vs J.Smith and, as an additional bonus we, will find out exactly how good Oakafor is up close and person as he goes up against the Z man.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
6:45 pm

JTZero is my Hero….

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

January 29th, 2012
6:45 pm

good stuff by Wally Blase

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
6:47 pm

I understand that the ASG sucks, but I really don’t understand why he does not want to play in his hometown with his best bud, WTF?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
6:47 pm

My fantasy basketball goal is to not finish in last place, and with each passing week that goal is becoming less and less realistic.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
6:48 pm

*dwight howard

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
6:48 pm

I wonder if The Black Ninja got a cortico-steroid injection in that left ankle to eliminate swelling, which in turn kills the pain. I’m sure it’s sore on that deltoid ligament fibula-talo ligament. He will have absolutely no problem flying north – south, but lateral movement towards the outside, (right) will be tender, in my professional opinion. My specialty is in extremity care, (arms and legs).

I will be watching my boy very closely tonight. Jeff is an amazing athlete, IMHO.

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
6:48 pm

Damn Ra’mon setting the bar on another planet or something. How bout the Hawks going for a win? Never mind who scores what. If JJ or Josh only score Al like numbers 12/9 Ill be happy as long as we win. Okafor Is not just going to give us the game. This is a road game and that in and of itself wont be easy.

Go Hawks!

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
6:50 pm

sweet Mary whats the deal with playing on pain killers? Do you recommend rest or play? Is this in Teague’s best interest? Should he just play through? Cant it get worse?

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
6:50 pm

bigdave is HERE! Yeah … now, the thread is ready to roll.

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
6:52 pm

The same Milwaukee we put away on the road beat the Lakers down, so dont take these wins for granted. The hawks are balling.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
6:55 pm

Hey Slimjr,

Is Teague out for 4 weeks – oh, never mind.

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
6:55 pm

The magic is asking for Tyson Chandler and Amare Stoudemire for D12…. Thats a lot of trade…

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

January 29th, 2012
6:55 pm

It would be nice to see a good smackin tonight

Ra'mon

January 29th, 2012
6:57 pm

Bob Weiss, that will be great, always want a win. Just playing around.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
6:57 pm

A win today guarantees a winning road trip. The Hornets and Raptors both suck, so really if the Hawks take care of business this should be a 4-1 trip.

Looking at a bigger picture view, the Hawks went 7-3 in their first 10 games, and 7-3 in their second 10 games. Can they go 7-3 in the next 10?

@NO
@TOR
vs MEM
vs PHI
vs PHO
vs IND
@ORL
vs MIA
@LAL
@PHO

I think 6-4 is more likely, but 7-3 is definitely possible.

Floyd Mayweather

January 29th, 2012
6:57 pm

The Hornets trying to turn things around against the Hawks.

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
6:57 pm

Austin Barker, a 17-year-old high school student from Mississippi scheduled for a bone marrow transplant this week, was the guest of Hawks trainer Wally Blase Sunday.

Barker, who is at Tulane Children’s Hospital, attended the game with his father and two friends.

The non-profit organization Sunshine Kids brought Baker’s situation to Blase’s attention. Blase worked with the Hornets to organize the outing.

Great to see the Hawks giving back to the community at large outside of ATL for that matter…We are giving up a lot of size and beef going up against Okafor – lets focus and play a solid 4 quarters and perhaps we will squeak out with an elusive Western Conference road win.

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
6:58 pm

Good point bob. The hawks will be challenging for seeds 1,2,or3.

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
6:59 pm

When Joe gets 20, Hawks are 10-1….this is the guy who ought to get his points..and I hope he gets them in both halves tonight.

Floyd Mayweather

January 29th, 2012
6:59 pm

Any Hornets fans on this site?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:01 pm

Breaking it down further, I think they go 5-1 in the first 6 (with the loss against either Memphis or Philly) and 1-3 in the last 4 (with the win over either Orlando or Miami).

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
7:01 pm

Najeh, if the Hawks come out 7-3, not much you can say about them needing changes. Sund won’t be doing anything.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:02 pm

Haven’t seen any Hornets fans but maybe someone will start posting under the name EMECKA OKAFOAR or JARED JAK or something.

Just Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:03 pm

Marvin goes for 22 & 10 tonight, and continues to build trade value (I hope).

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
7:04 pm

The Hornets are 4-0 when they hold their opponent to less than 90.

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:05 pm

will watch till 8 them im watching the royal rumble

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:05 pm

Big Lou= Never mind!

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
7:06 pm

Would everyone be satisfied with a 4 seed if the season ended today?

I for one would not be….if there is any year to take advantage of playing together for so long, we should be beyond a 4 seed going forward. Al being out shouldn’t matter.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:07 pm

“My specialty is in extremity care, (arms and legs).”

Mines is stop and pop! Hahaha……

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:07 pm

Stinger: “You can count on Zaza to sacrifice he body, and go for the balls…”

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:08 pm

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:08 pm

Kevin, FTPB, if you discount our players for their performances against a specific set of teams, don;t you need to know if the player you are trading for performs well against that (or a comparable) set of teams? If you’re not interested in the best years of our players, why are you looking at the best year of Kamen? It all seems apples and oranges to me.

But, IMO, the point is moot. Unless we’re talking about a 3 or 4 team trade, I doubt the Hawks have the assets needed to acquire a $14M expiring contract attached to a good and legit center.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:08 pm

Feed him and fan him!! Git those nimbers Nique!

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
7:08 pm

Aldridge and Stinger asks themselves since Kaman is on the block, do we want him? Aldridge said a flat ‘No’ and Stinger says Al is coming back. Unbelieveable…….

Is Gearon paying their salary or something?

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
7:08 pm

Coach Williams bragging that the hornets have had rest while waiting on the Hawks.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
7:09 pm

Bob Weiss!

“sweet Mary whats the deal with playing on pain killers? Do you recommend rest or play? Is this in Teague’s best interest? Should he just play through? Cant it get worse?”
____________

Excellent question Bob! What causes pain is inflammation in joints, what hold the joint capsules in place is ligaments. The ligaments are like plastic and they do not snap back like rubber bands. Because ligaments are avascular, (no blood supply) they are called “white meat” as is cartilage and tendons.

A joint capsule has fluid inside called synovial fluid, which makes the intra-capsules “squishy” and gives it ranges of motion.

The cortic-steroid does not kill pain in and of itself, so you don’t feel woozy … but, the steroids eliminates/reduce swelling. Swelling causes pain. Ice is the best thing for swelling in lieu of or, along with steroids. So, as long as there is no swelling there is no pain. However, it will be tender and sore because the ligament was stretched beyond it’s limit, (para-physiological space). That stretching in weight bearing joints is what causes joints to slide front to back, in this case left to right.

A good tape job will help, not to tight though because that will cut off blood and oxygen supply, causing swelling again. So the key here is to eliminate swelling more than anything. Jeff is a light weight and when he rolled that ankle he snapped it back quickly by falling down instead.

The brain is a powerful thing when falling, it protects and minimizes the severity of injury by falling down and away from contact, which in this case was the floor itself.
_________

Sorry Bob, I went into my zone and probably gave way TMI.

Excellent question, to answer it directly:

If Jeff can tolerate the pain threshold, he should play all out and, forget about the ankle itself or, just sit down.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:10 pm

Would Charlotte take Marvin for Dasagna Diop? We’d get an expiring contract and they would get a former champion Tar Heel. They currently have Tyrus Thomas playing out of position at SF.

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:10 pm

smh wheres the 10’s

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:11 pm

Hornets’ size up front will probably give the Hawks problems as the game goes along, and Ariza has the length to guard Joe. The Hornets are better than their record indicates. Hawks should win, but they better take them seriously.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:11 pm

2-12 in 2nd round playoff disasters! Sund!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We haven’t forgot BUSTER!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:12 pm

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:13 pm

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
7:13 pm

Marvin needs to get w/ Joe and work on post positioning and moves.

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
7:13 pm

7&3 is very possible. I love how this team is constructed. We must get a center!!!

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:13 pm

Jeff Teague!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:14 pm

Zaza and Marvin looking good early.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:14 pm

Again Josh brings up the ball and causes a TO. Jesus!

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
7:14 pm

Big Lou

“Hey Slimjr,

Is Teague out for 4 weeks – oh, never mind.”
_____________

slimjr was just repeating what i said, so that’s on me.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:14 pm

smh. . . hornets announcer called JJ ( Joe Smith )

I mean damn. Joe Smith wasn’t even that good of an NBA player, yet, announcers make that mistake all the time.

Rev in Tampa

January 29th, 2012
7:15 pm

Hornets announcers were saying that Kenny Gattison (Hawks assistant coach) is Marvin’s uncle. I didn’t know that.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:15 pm

Doesn’t look like the injury is bothering Teague so far.

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
7:16 pm

Nice start by the Hawks….

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:16 pm

Hawks red hot. Teague relying on the jumper. Great start.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:16 pm

So can we stop claiming that Josh will stop making fast break TOs when he starts playing with a PG capable of leading the fast break? Can we put that theory to rest after 20-something games?

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:16 pm

That’s because it didn’t look like a bad injury when it happened. Looked like a tweak… and it was.

atlantadeepdirtybench

January 29th, 2012
7:17 pm

LD play the bench today!!!

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
7:18 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:18 pm

Marvin actually finished and got fouled!

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
7:18 pm

AJ, not apples and oranges at all….I like Kaman’s game this year. He hasn’t had regular minutes lately and prior to that, here are 5 games:

17/9 OKC
10/8 PHI
20/7 DEN
12/6 POR
12/9 BOS

I just think he does even better when he gets here….better players around him.

5 games for Zaza:

11/7 IND
5/11 POR
5/3 PHI
13/6 CLE

Not enough minutes against better teams, and his best games against lower tiered. Do I need to look up Marvin’s numbers for you also?

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:18 pm

People keep trying to trade Marvin away from this team. Meanwhile, Marvin is now currently shooting 49% on threes this year.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:18 pm

Astro Joe

I’ll stop complaining about Josh, until he is no longer a Hawk.

LMAO @ Marvin never making a layup

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:18 pm

And he gets an and-1

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:18 pm

LD, take Marvin out with 4:00 minutes in the quarter. Disregard his early performance.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
7:18 pm

Marvin has finally come around as of late, I’m almost scared to ship him out now. It would have to be a hella good player at this point. I know … I know.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:18 pm

Naw drmaryb , I got Fat Lou….

See I play the game unlike Earthquake…..lol

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:18 pm

Steal . . and an and-1

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:19 pm

northcyde

Please. Can we not have you cheer leading for Marvin tonight. You’re not gonna convince us that he’s not inconsistent.

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
7:20 pm

Nique says hawks running the switch on defense – LMAO

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:20 pm

Hawks’ D is on point so far.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:20 pm

Slimjr

I love you.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:20 pm

Give Joe credit for a block. I need it for my Fantasy team.

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
7:20 pm

scorer’s table make sure you credit Josh w/ that block please, thank you sir.

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
7:21 pm

DMB, don’t be blinded by Marvin’s performance. I am moving him if there is any interest. His ‘nimbers’ keep us with little flexibility.

Congrats to Marvin though, who is playing better lately.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:21 pm

Smith disrupted everything on that last Hornet possession

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:21 pm

Kevin, thanks… that’s what I was looking for.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:21 pm

LOL Teague . . . do your thing boy

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:21 pm

JEFF TEAGUE!

DA BLUR!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:22 pm

Teague on FIRE!

MattP

January 29th, 2012
7:22 pm

Ray

January 29th, 2012
7:22 pm

MVTEAGUE!!!!!!

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
7:22 pm

Teague ‘en fuego’!

That ankle looks fine to me!

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
7:22 pm

Marvin broke Landry’s ankles though with the in and out move..

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:22 pm

Bombing away

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
7:22 pm

Love to see Teague hit them jumpers….

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:23 pm

Down, goes Zaza. Down goes Zaza.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:23 pm

And Marvin goes bye-bye.

Ole Hawks's Fan

January 29th, 2012
7:23 pm

Where’s that Teague Hater tonight!!!!!!

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
7:24 pm

How can someone hate on MVTEAGUE?

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:24 pm

Tough shot by T-Mac

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:24 pm

All the bounces are going the Hawks’ way early.

ryan

January 29th, 2012
7:24 pm

Is Teague the next Chris Paul .

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:24 pm

Josh Smith = Zero Ball Skills

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:25 pm

And Teague goes bye-bye.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:25 pm

Hawks trying to do to the Hornets, what they did to us in ATL last January

ntrigue

January 29th, 2012
7:26 pm

Why coach take Teague out he’s hot!

Bigman needed

January 29th, 2012
7:26 pm

We are not on shortlist of teams vying for kaman per espn insider

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:26 pm

“Is Teague the next Chris Paul .”

More like the next Tony Parker, although he already has range on his shot that Parker never developed.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
7:26 pm

FREE THROWS….MAKE THEM.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:26 pm

TEAGUE DEFENSE IS 3X> CP3!

THE NEXT KEVIN JOHNSON!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:26 pm

wow. . how slow is Jason Collins

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:26 pm

Hinrich with the lowly-oop.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:26 pm

Tmac

I love his passing skills.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:27 pm

northcyde, I had a better chance of chasing that loose ball down that Twin… and I’m sitting in my house in Georgia.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:27 pm

“Hawks trying to do to the Hornets, what they did to us in ATL last January”

You just had to bring that game up… I have been trying to erase it from my memory banks for the past year.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:27 pm

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LARRY what? Leave Teague alone COACH!!!!!!!!!!

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:27 pm

wow. . how slow is Jason Collins

That’s why is nickname is ‘cheeseburger’ Collins.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:28 pm

2 fouls on Josh means Ivan probably comes into the game.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:29 pm

I wish Kaman would play tonight, so that peopel could see for themselves if we needed that dude or not. No way you trade a piece on this team for him. Maybe some other player, but not for him.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:29 pm

If you weighed 320lbs, you’d move like a turtle too..

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
7:29 pm

I am always frustrated with some of josh’s shot, but i realize how good he is and how lucky we r to have him. Yet some of you on here just hate. SMH

Brad

January 29th, 2012
7:29 pm

“You know what they call that, right?”
“Yoof”

MattP

January 29th, 2012
7:30 pm

This is funny, he keeps doing the same sub rotation every game.

Williams, then Zaza, then Teague, then Smith, then Johnson

ntrigue

January 29th, 2012
7:30 pm

I wouldn’t put 2nd unit in yet I would try to blow them out.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
7:30 pm

SRSLY that game last JAN almost made me quit as a hawks fan.

Rev in Tampa

January 29th, 2012
7:30 pm

Hornets announcers, “Marvin & Teague = 17, Hornets = 6″

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:31 pm

Joe needs to change his shoes again.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:31 pm

Larry= We gonna get crushed in the 2nd round! If we make it….

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:31 pm

Wow, that was an ugly possession.

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:31 pm

why is kirk in…

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:31 pm

JJ having a repeat of last night with the slow start

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:31 pm

Here they go playing ISO ball again.

Bigman needed

January 29th, 2012
7:32 pm

According to Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe via an NBA source, the Celtics would be interested in Kaman if he’s eventually bought out by the Hornets.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:32 pm

Hinrich. . . you’re no Tyronn Lue

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:33 pm

Dammit Twin at least get fouled when you go up for the shot…

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
7:33 pm

“LET’S GO TEAGUE “

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:33 pm

Nice defense by Ivan. Dude can really move his feet.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:34 pm

After the way they played for most of that quarter, they really should be up by a lot more than 14. Offense went cold with 4 bench players + Joe.

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
7:34 pm

Joe needs to be resting and the bench is suppose to be handling this to the 3rd quarter

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:34 pm

smh JJ . . then smh @ Collins . . dude has a 3 inch vertical

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:34 pm

FEED THE TEAGUE! PUT HIM BACK IN!

Runner-

January 29th, 2012
7:34 pm

Poor finish by the Hawks giving the Hornets momentum going into the 2nd…

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:34 pm

LIVE BY THE JUMPSHOT, YOU DIE BY THE JUMPSHOT..

Hey Larry why dont you have em focus on the attacking the post Sir?????

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
7:35 pm

Im not sure he wants to be Tyrone Lue >lol….

Blast

January 29th, 2012
7:35 pm

Bench need to step up!

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:35 pm

SlimJr

You know why. LD has no clue how to run offense.

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
7:35 pm

Collins is terrible…. It’s 4 vs 5 on offense with him on the court.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:36 pm

“According to Gary Washburn of the Boston Globe via an NBA source, the Celtics would be interested in Kaman if he’s eventually bought out by the Hornets.”

If Kaman is bought out, there’s no excuse for the Hawks to not offer him a minimum salary deal. I understand the hesitation to want to trade $14 million worth of Hawks players for him, but if he is bought out that concern goes away. If he is bought out and the Hawks don’t bring him in, they are basically saying Twin is better than Kaman. I don’t think anyone truly believes that.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:36 pm

Inside out!

Teague will attack the bowels of the defense, sorta like CP3 finding those seams and attack attack attack!

vava74

January 29th, 2012
7:36 pm

Hinrich is rusty like hell. Stops his dribble all the time.

Pargo knows the arena well, having played there.

Stupid move by LD.

atlantadeepdirtybench

January 29th, 2012
7:36 pm

Collins out please.
LD must have caught Rad and WIllie double teaming his daughter!!!

Hawkfan

January 29th, 2012
7:36 pm

Good qtr till the end. Looks to me like 2nd unit needs Willie Green

ntrigue

January 29th, 2012
7:36 pm

Drew just doesn’t have a good feel for the game! Don’t give the opposition life by taking hot players out at wrong time. Hinrich shouldn’t be over pargo yet!

Jimmy Crack

January 29th, 2012
7:36 pm

Ah, nothing brings a crappy team back from the precipice quite like ole Cold Joe.

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
7:37 pm

Hawks held the Hornets to 11pts in the 1st qtr. Great defense…

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:37 pm

Well if the hornets shot didn’t count . . give us our 1 second back to see if we can make a shot to end the quarter.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:38 pm

Ivan needs to roll, not pop.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:38 pm

Agreed, Pargo should sub Teague not Captain Kirk!

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:39 pm

Why is Green not getting more minutes? Guy is on fire.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:39 pm

vava, knows the arena well?

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
7:40 pm

Good, he listened. Let the bench run this for a full quarter let the starters rest. This is a long road trip.

Hawkfan

January 29th, 2012
7:40 pm

Called that one. Thanks WG

steven

January 29th, 2012
7:40 pm

haha @ Nique. The gas bill gets expensive when you leave the tv and lights on…really? gas bill?

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:40 pm

Hawks playing 4 on 5 with Twin on offense.

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
7:40 pm

They are doing everything right. Keep it up. And put them away.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:40 pm

Solid minutes for Kirk so far in this game.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
7:40 pm

WILLIE FOR THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Runner-

January 29th, 2012
7:41 pm

willie is wet!!

Hawkfan

January 29th, 2012
7:41 pm

Thanks again

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:41 pm

Good D Ivan.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
7:41 pm

The Black Ninja is FINE!
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Big Lou has a man crush on my Slimjr … but, like MJ said, “The boy is mine.” MJ actually said, “The girl is mine.” but, I’m a girl so i cant say that. (no homo, neither is MJ)

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“When Joe gets 20, Hawks are 10-1….this is the guy who ought to get his points..and I hope he gets them in both halves tonight.” -nortycyde-
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That’s like saying, when “Turner-the-Burner” rushes for 100 yards, the Falcons are 25-1. Either way, I’ll take it! LOL
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Unbelievable game so far. T he bench is flat out balling. Just hope zaza is ok?

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:41 pm

Ivan is playing under control.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:41 pm

Drew has seen enough of Hinrich . . .

Mr mojo

January 29th, 2012
7:42 pm

Nice Start! But how much more of Jason Collins can you take. Let’s upgrade on Collins already cut the crap.

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
7:42 pm

DAMN the hornets announcers just dished Teague saying” yea, teagues is athletic and all but Hinrich is smarter and knows where to distribute the ball. Thats what you need is a guard who knows where to distribute the ball.”

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:42 pm

I know T-Mac’s knees are not what they once were, but he’s gotta finish a little stronger than that.

MattP

January 29th, 2012
7:43 pm

I would rather have a D League center out there instead of Collins…

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:43 pm

Kirk is still getting his legs. He’s improving.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:43 pm

I’m almost going to ask Sund to call Josh Powell if we have to watch Collins play more than token minutes against any other team than the Magic.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
7:44 pm

“haha @ Nique. The gas bill gets expensive when you leave the tv and lights on…really? gas bill?” -steve-
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maybe nique has a gas generator? i hope so … lol

Blast

January 29th, 2012
7:44 pm

Anyone still want Emeka Okafor? I don’t believe he has scored yet, and how many rebounds, blockshots, charges or assists does he have in this game?

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:46 pm

I wonder if TMac and Marvin have a contractual clause that they can’t play together in a game?

Bigman needed

January 29th, 2012
7:46 pm

Davenpoop: If Kaman is bought out, there’s no excuse for the Hawks to not offer him a minimum salary deal. I understand the hesitation to want to trade $14 million worth of Hawks players for him, but if he is bought out that concern goes away. If he is bought out and the Hawks don’t bring him in, they are basically saying Twin is better than Kaman. I don’t think anyone truly believes that.

Completely agree, no excuse if the guy is bought out

MattP

January 29th, 2012
7:46 pm

LD, Willie is shooting good! Time to take him out….

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:46 pm

Hornets are only down 14 when you take into account the Willie Green jumper that will get wiped off the board. The way the Hawks started the game, that is too close.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
7:47 pm

I haven’t turned on the game yet but I bet Okafor & Kaman are proving their overratedness as I type

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:47 pm

hawks blowing a huge lead already..typical hawks right

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:47 pm

Hawks offense starting to stall. Hornets’ offense starting to pick up. This could be a close game before too long.

MattP

January 29th, 2012
7:47 pm

LMAO…. I called it!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:48 pm

Josh about to start taking jumpers after that turnover.

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:48 pm

smh why dont josh dunk anymore

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:48 pm

Zaza with the behind the back pass. Gotta finish that or get fouled Josh

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:48 pm

Well atleast Josh is driving to the basket.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:49 pm

Hawks lead down to 10 when you account for the phantom Willie Green jumper.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:49 pm

Zaza thinks he’s a Globetrotter

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:50 pm

wow what a dumb excuse…

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:50 pm

Refs about to take 2 points away from us . . so be ready for that.

ntrigue

January 29th, 2012
7:51 pm

All comes back to coaching hawks are a streak shooting team when their hot ride them until they cool off!

vava74

January 29th, 2012
7:51 pm

AJ,

Pargo played in NO.

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:52 pm

smh this team….

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:52 pm

So the ISO ball begins.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:52 pm

Since the 27-6 start by the Hawks, they have been outscored 20-6 by the Hornets.

Mentally weak.

Ross

January 29th, 2012
7:53 pm

and the implosion begins 21 point lead cut to 8 vintage hawks. typical atlanta choke

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
7:53 pm

“If he is bought out and the Hawks don’t bring him in, they are basically saying Twin is better than Kaman. I don’t think anyone truly believes that.” -najeh-
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Sund might.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:53 pm

Ring it up marvin

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:54 pm

Zaza gets blocked at the rim again. ANOTHER potential Teague dime blown by Zaza. That must be at least 15 or 20 now for the season.

Good thing Josh is there to clean up the mess.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:54 pm

marvin is now 20 – 40 from three point land this year.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:54 pm

FT are for losers. – Josh Smith

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:54 pm

vava, I know. I just couldn’t figure out the relevance.

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:55 pm

see josh thats what happens when you drive to the basket easy shots

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:55 pm

This guy Ayon is schooling Josh right now. Hawks’ defense is nonexistent.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
7:55 pm

I AM SO FED UP WITH OUR DAMN FREE THROW SHOOTING.

FreshmakerGT

January 29th, 2012
7:55 pm

Lol @ Rathbun…”Joe gets it in his sweet spot there.” Standing right under the basket…

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
7:55 pm

WE HAVE ALREADY LOST 2 BIG GAMES BECAUSE OF FREE THROW SHOOTING

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:55 pm

Since when did Okafor learn how to shoot those shots?

Blast

January 29th, 2012
7:55 pm

Well, Okafor stepping it up, now.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:55 pm

Same play run by the Hornets every time, and every time they get a wide open free throw jumper or an uncovered guy cutting down the lane. It is just a pick and roll. Shouldn’t bet hat hard.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:56 pm

Why does Zaza always help Teague, and then his man always gets an open shot?

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
7:56 pm

I’m sorry..Zaza is a liability both on offense and defense..he is simply only good engough to spell someone…

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:56 pm

Oh yeah . . .Smith made that jumper after the whistle . . . here comes the jumpers. Let’s hope he’s hot.

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:57 pm

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo marvin

FreshmakerGT

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

How in the world did Teague not get fouled there? And Marvin misses the oop….oy.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

Teague gets screwed by the refs again. Good look by Josh, should have been a trip to the foul line.

Meanwhile, Marvin misses an alley oop dunk. Typical Marvin play.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

DANg, Marvin.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

JT, making the Hawks relevant.

Marvin needs lessons in finishing at the basket.

Sautee

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

Rod just spit his beer laughing!

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

lol im out bout to watch the royal rumble…hope the hawks win

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

Haha, Joe set him up beautifully….come on Marvin!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

damn marvin . . make that dunk man.

JaeEvolution

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

Marvin is so bad, so so so so so bad.

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
7:58 pm

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
7:59 pm

How Marvin missed that dunk?

Ole Hawks's Fan

January 29th, 2012
7:59 pm

Marvin you’ve got to finish that nice passsssssssssssss. Dunk That Dam BALL!

Rev in Tampa

January 29th, 2012
7:59 pm

Marvin haters arise and speak!

vava74

January 29th, 2012
7:59 pm

Oh brother…

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
7:59 pm

Hornets announcer ” teague is the weak link on the squad and has a tight chain”

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
7:59 pm

I really love MARVIN but he can really look like he doesn’t belong at times. Especially under the basket.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
7:59 pm

Marvin has played well in this game aside from that, but damn, that is inexcusable.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
7:59 pm

Royal Rumble? Come on man.

You want me to spoil it all of you and tell you who wins it?

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
7:59 pm

MJ and MJ in that commercial: “It ain’t too much for me to J A MMMMMM!”

Too bad “It was too much for Marvin to Jam!” smh

MattP

January 29th, 2012
8:00 pm

What was someone saying about Okafor here? Yes, I do still want him. Just because someone starters out bad doesn’t mean he sucks.

Luke Cage

January 29th, 2012
8:00 pm

SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:00 pm

The Hornets announcer can go hang out with Woody and eat a pubic hair sandwich if he thinks Teague is the weak link.

Jimmy Crack

January 29th, 2012
8:00 pm

Teague needs to come up with some painful screams so he can use them when he gets whacked. He is not getting calls.

Luke Cage

January 29th, 2012
8:00 pm

Just got in, so what I miss?

J.J.M.

January 29th, 2012
8:01 pm

lol@northcyde…I know all the spoilers

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:01 pm

And… here we go with Iso-Joe. I expect the Hornets to lead by halftime.

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
8:01 pm

Marvin missing easy dunks – sheesh

Jimmy Crack Corn

January 29th, 2012
8:01 pm

I dont care.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:01 pm

Never understood how Ariza is so bad at shooting free throws when he has always been a decent 3 point shooter.

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
8:02 pm

damn..he can do something…foul

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:02 pm

Step away for a shower, what did I miss? Oh Chit! The lead is only 7?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:02 pm

Good take Josh.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:02 pm

“The Hornets announcer can go hang out with Woody and eat a pubic hair sandwich if he thinks Teague is the weak link.” -najeh-

LMAO! or, eyebrows?

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
8:02 pm

Terrible possession by Joe (not the Hawks) after that time out… Way too much dribbling

FreshmakerGT

January 29th, 2012
8:02 pm

WOW…what a move inside by Josh

Blast

January 29th, 2012
8:02 pm

Why the panic, y’all?

Don’t trust your Hawks?

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:03 pm

I meant to miss that FT. – Josh Smith

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:03 pm

@ JJM . . . you can watch the Royal Rumble online . . . go to firstrowsports . tv

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:04 pm

Great defense by Marvin there.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:05 pm

lol hornets announcers . . . calling JJ . . “Dribble Joe Johnson”

Bob Wiess

January 29th, 2012
8:05 pm

Damn JJ 3 of 11,

hawks 1- 6 on free throws.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:05 pm

I wish JJ would stop playing ISO. – Jeff Teague

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:05 pm

JT like Stuck that defense like GLUE!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:06 pm

Wish they had done a better job holding on to that 1st quarter lead — they got outscored 29-19 after the 27-6 start — but an 11 point lead on the road is fine. Come out strong to start the 2nd half and hopefully the starters can get some rest in the 4th quarter.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:07 pm

“I wish JJ would stop playing ISO”

He cant help it BIG LOU! He’s infatuated with his tricky dribble! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

konkak

January 29th, 2012
8:07 pm

Why do the hawks always hire black coaches. This guy has no clue. Why in the hell is collins playing.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:07 pm

Orlando down 15

Howard is 4 – 13 FTs

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:08 pm

Hawks for real yawl! I’m believing what I’m seeing. Dominance with a real nice bench. Wassup with Vlad though, coach need to keep him in the mix and sustain his confidence, we wil need him down the stretch and in the playoffs, so dont forget about him.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:08 pm

“Why do the hawks always hire black coaches. This guy has no clue. Why in the hell is collins playing.”

Oh yeah, Lon Kruger and Terry Stotts are exactly what the Hawks need to win a championship.

Sautee

January 29th, 2012
8:08 pm

“Same play run by the Hornets every time, and every time they get a wide open free throw jumper or an uncovered guy cutting down the lane. It is just a pick and roll. Shouldn’t bet hat hard.”

Zaza lacks the foot speed to hedge and recover. Monty is smart enough to take advantage. Hawks need to not hedge so hard, and make Jack or Vasquez prove they can hit the jumper.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:09 pm

When your jumpshots stop falling you give the oposition momentum to make a move and chip away at your 21 pt lead….

NEED A QUALITY BIG YESTERDAY!

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:10 pm

opposition^^^

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:10 pm

Orlando has imploded with the immaturity of D12. Who are they playing – Norty?

Punanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:10 pm

Damn hawks kind of breezing through this one, playing the Hornets like they scrubs. Cant take this team too lightly although they have no depth.

vava74

January 29th, 2012
8:10 pm

Sloppiest team in the league…

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
8:10 pm

Marvin has a terrific half but most will only focus on the blown dunk.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:11 pm

Dont count your chickens just yet? Still a WHOLE half to play….On the road too? Yikes…..

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
8:12 pm

I still cant figure out why they never called me back. Sund and I go back to the west coast.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:13 pm

Marvin will miss a Dunk on a Nerf hoop! SO what else is news?

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:14 pm

‘Oh yeah, Lon Kruger and Terry Stotts are exactly what the Hawks need to win a championship.” -najeh-
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dont forget Bob Weiss and lenny Wilkens was milk-chocolate. LOL

Punanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:14 pm

Magic city Magic Cit ta in the house where all d hoez@ in Dis B ?

vava74

January 29th, 2012
8:15 pm

That Ayon kid looks reeeealy good.

Why on earth we don’t get a break and find guys like that?

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
8:16 pm

That’s right I should be mentioned with Lenny Wilkens…. Good one drmarb

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:16 pm

mike fratello was here the whole 80’s with nique ‘nem. mike was such a control freak, he had the cavaliers plying snail ball because they had no athletes with craig ehlo and danny ferry. they scored like 50 points oer game and the defense was stifling. very FUGLY to watch all those games in super slow motion. LOL

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:16 pm

LMAO @ Tommy Heinson . . . “These officials tonight . . . they should FIRE them”.

He’s mad because the Cavs have scored 10 straight to cut the lead to 1. And they scrapped like hell to get a loose ball and retain possession. Now the Cavs have the ball and can hold for the final shot.

Heinson is the ultimate homer announcer.

konkak

January 29th, 2012
8:16 pm

Najeh your telling me you like drew or woodson. They are great teachers and even have good systems but they cant think under pressure. The fact that he plays collins over vlad drives me crazy, we are not even playing a big that can score big in the post. Vlad would pull O out of the middle and open it up for Joe. Good point on Lon and stotts they were terrible.

BobPunanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:17 pm

Lil sumpton sumpton for dez hoes… where day at where day at?

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:18 pm

WOW . . . what a move by Kyrie Irving to give the Cavs the lead. Win or lose, you’ll see that highlight later on.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:18 pm

Vlad isn’t a center. That’s why Collins plays over Vlad. But Collins shouldn’t play either, if we had another big

Punanny Jones tee

January 29th, 2012
8:18 pm

Al day hoez in day house if you knowz dis.. pull up your dress and sho diz,…

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:19 pm

LOL @ Jeff Teague. Nothing like the threat of losing your job to help you heal up nice and quick….

Punanny rayray Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:20 pm

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:20 pm

Heinson is beyond annoying!

Hope the Celts get swept in the 1st rd! Will somebody just bury the Celts!

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:20 pm

i’ll never forget, doc rivers walked the ball up every play because his eyes were glued to mike fratello the whole time. the play didnt begin until doc got to mid-court … mike would walk doc up the court evry single play.

nique would be under the basket resting and waiting for an alley oop. real fun stuff.

vava74

January 29th, 2012
8:20 pm

He missed a dunk and a semi contested lay up.

Both pretty makeable bUckets.

It’s z recurring theme so it’s difficult not to notice and complain.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:21 pm

Bone . . . 70% of our fans secretly root against Marvin. I cheer for anybody who is helping us. Shoot, if I can cheer for Jamal Crawford, they can cheer for Marvin.

And the Cavs win. They scored the last 12 points of the game to win.

that move by Kyrie has to be the #1 play of the night.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:21 pm

Orlando down by 21 in the 4th quarter against the Pacers at home.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:21 pm

If Teague miss one game its over cause this Joker Coach will go with Captain Kirk for the rest of the season……lol

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:22 pm

Kyrie Irving is a great player….ROY….future perennial all star….future HOFer

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
8:22 pm

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:23 pm

airball…smh

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:23 pm

Good timeout LD. Gotta come with better energy than this.

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:23 pm

does it seem like we start out most bad 3rd qrt w/ Josh shooting jumpers..

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:23 pm

Mike Fratello= THE CZAR!

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
8:23 pm

Although commonly referred to as duck, let’s be honest, Marvin is the goat of our squad.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:23 pm

Drew calls the quickest timeouts…..smh

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:24 pm

Drew calls a Popovich TO. 3rd quarter blues. come on hawks, kill ‘em dead ..step on the gas.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:24 pm

I had great seats for the Hawks-Cavs game. Kyrie Irving is a really, really good scorer. But as a point guard, though, he has a ton of room for improvement.

Punanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:24 pm

Often imitated but never duplicate feline.

Yeah. Teague better not Bitchz up tho is to the dungeon 4 his az.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:25 pm

Uh Oh, another 3rd quarter slow start on the road?

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:25 pm

We need Phil Jackson. He would let the players play through it and learn on their own. No need to call a time out 30 seconds into the quarter just because Jason Smith hit a fadeaway jumper and grabbed a rebound over Joe Johnson

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
8:25 pm

Not shock that the Hawks comeout to start the 3rd qtr flat footed instead of making a run to blow this game open…

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:25 pm

Marvin

9 pts
2 rebs
3 asst
2 stls

smh . . nothing easy for the Hawks. I guess this game will stay close the majority of the night.

Punanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:27 pm

Hawks already got enough soft azz bitchez. like marvin and Al. You can win with hoez like that .

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:27 pm

Call another timeout.

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:27 pm

wow.. i dunno bout that call sheesh.

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:27 pm

Zaza screwed that play up TWICE in one possession.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:27 pm

Here we go!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
8:27 pm

Jeff is getting timid out there.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:27 pm

Good finish Marvin. Aside from the hilariously terrible missed dunk, solid game.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:28 pm

Hawks getting physical

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:28 pm

Josh getting chewed out is like telling a fat person not to eat so much while at the buffet. It’s not gonna change anything.

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:28 pm

Joe with the second effort. Good stuff.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
8:28 pm

Woah….Did MARVIN just make a challenged shot under the basket?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:28 pm

See there’s a good play to get Joe the ball. Have him coming off screens in a position to catch and shoot or catch and drive, so he doesn’t have to dribble to set up his shot.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:29 pm

Josh no more jumpshots or your siting Down!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:29 pm

That;s OK Josh . .keep going inside.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:29 pm

Bob said, “Marvin powered it in!” LOL

Marvin been doing his push ups?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:29 pm

Nice floater by Teague. Started the half a little out of it, but that was a good drive. Hopefully it gets him going.

Punanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:29 pm

im not saying teague is a soft hoe, but damn look at his eyelashes..

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:29 pm

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:29 pm

no we will never mistake Jeff Teague going to the hole for Joe Johnson….Nique

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:30 pm

i like the idea Jeff, but Josh had thoughts of popping and not rolling to the cup.

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:30 pm

I think Belinelli fouled Joe with his nose….

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:30 pm

Sit down Josh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:30 pm

The 3 Live J’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:30 pm

Blast

January 29th, 2012
8:30 pm

Teague is just so beautiful on those drives, man!

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:31 pm

Josh Smith throwing up some serious bricks

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:31 pm

why we arent running the offense through Joe, i dont know.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:31 pm

Stupid offense. Sigh.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:32 pm

Josh jumper is major broke tonight!

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
8:32 pm

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:32 pm

LOL @ ZAZA’s SHOT! My god, he is garbage.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
8:32 pm

Marvin will sit in a few more minutes but not the other forward who is struggling offensively.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:32 pm

Josh defending the paint with excellence.

Punanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:32 pm

yall got a bunch of soft hoez on this team

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:32 pm

ZaZa throwing up some trash and got bailed out…..Hawks won

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:33 pm

Teague or JJ need to swing that ball to Marvin in the corner. If he guy is contributing, give him the ball.

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:33 pm

Jeff scoring, but thats about it.. we gotta get Joe rolling so that the team can play off him.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
8:33 pm

Who the EFF is this guy calling us soft? Troll?

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:33 pm

Teague has been locking Jack up…

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
8:33 pm

Great D by Teague.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:33 pm

What happen to that Princeton offense tonight COACH?

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:34 pm

More like St. John’s offense!

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:34 pm

LOL…..that whole sequence was smooth til Zaza got the ball….

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:34 pm

I’m glad he drew the foul at least….

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:34 pm

game closer than it needs to be.. and the starters about to start coming out in a minute. wouldnt surprise me if it were close in the 4th.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:34 pm

Keep drawing those fouls, Zaza.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:34 pm

Josh is playing well but his jumper is not on tonight

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:35 pm

Wow Joe, that pass was terrible.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:35 pm

Hide N Seek!

Where is Kaman? I can’t see him! Has anyone ever seen a player HOT on the market and shut down?

I mean, wouldn’t you want to show the suitors – he good?
If the buy out is true, why not play him … What do you care if he get’s hurt, you still gotta’ pay – right?

I don’t understand this at all? Buyer beware, he might be hurt.

JaeEvolution

January 29th, 2012
8:35 pm

Zaza is so bad, so so so so so bad.

FreshmakerGT

January 29th, 2012
8:35 pm

Teeeeeaaaaagggueeee!

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:35 pm

How you like me now? – Jeff Teague

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:35 pm

Teague= DA BLUR!!!!!!!!!! Future ALLSTAR!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:35 pm

Value the possession JJ . . smh

Punanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:36 pm

look at that stupid azz pass for JJ.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:36 pm

ATL playing to win tonight….gotta make up for the Falcons getting demolished by the Saints

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:36 pm

Teague dominating the game.

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:36 pm

Who the hell let POOTIE TANG loose in here with a keyboard?

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:37 pm

Hey Josh just keep that jumper in your pocket! Its broke tonight….

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
8:37 pm

Hey guys, looking back at the games thus far in the season, what is your take on JTZero’s play?

FreshmakerGT

January 29th, 2012
8:37 pm

Wow…Magic lost by 21 at home to Indy. They are imploding.

vava74

January 29th, 2012
8:37 pm

Teague should be named officially “the Man”

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:37 pm

LMAO @ Pootie Tang

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:38 pm

“looking back at the games thus far in the season, what is your take on JTZero’s play?”

Pretty much what I expected would happen if the Hawks let Teague start last year.

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
8:38 pm

Hornet announcer ” Hard to believe a player like teague is having a career nite. Hes 3 points from his career high. Unbelievable. We have to get a time out. theres no way this should be happening”

FreshmakerGT

January 29th, 2012
8:38 pm

vava74

January 29th, 2012
8:38 pm

And given the authority to call the offense at will.

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:38 pm

Marvin pull up trey..

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:38 pm

Marvin is ballin’. I keep saying he needs to be the best damn role player he can be… well, he’s doing just that.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:39 pm

Marvin Williams…..it wasn’t a bad pick obviously

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:39 pm

Miss Jones is guess from the infamous Magic City where they give u a dance that u did not order!

Then try and charge ya for it!

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:39 pm

I like to make brick houses. – Josh Smith

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:39 pm

F-ck the Hornets’ announcers with a rusty iron spike.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:40 pm

too many jumpers for Josh but he is playing with high energy on the glass and on defense

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
8:40 pm

Wow, LD is actualy letting Marvin play.

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
8:40 pm

Hey Hawks fans! I’m here late tonight. I understand we were up by over 20 in the 1st qtr….

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
8:40 pm

the only way to stop him from shooting j’s…foul trouble

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:40 pm

I’m glad that Josh got 4 fouls, so he can sit on the bench instead of making dumb shots. – LD

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:40 pm

Teague is the real deal..Too bad this idiot Coach let him rust on the bench for almost a whole season!!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:40 pm

Nice battle by Ivan and Zaza to keep the possession alive.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:41 pm

about Ivan Johnson

“he don’t wanna touch that man” CHarles Barkley

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:41 pm

Astro Joe jinxed Marvin lol.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:41 pm

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:42 pm

Try drawing a foul JJ. Your shot is broke tonight.

Ivan with the power move.

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:42 pm

horrible offensive basketball

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:42 pm

Teague is just BALLIN’….

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:42 pm

Teague for MVP!

Rev in Tampa

January 29th, 2012
8:42 pm

Ivan doesn’t need the pump fake. Just needs to go up strong.

FreshmakerGT

January 29th, 2012
8:42 pm

Teague es en fuego

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:42 pm

we about to put this one in the books

Teague definitely should be Most Improved Player

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:42 pm

The bank is open for Ivan!

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:42 pm

Ivan’s game is pretty dang nice

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
8:42 pm

Ivan at 6-7 can finished better around the basket than ZaZa @6-11 and Collins @6-11

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:43 pm

Call it Ivan!

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
8:43 pm

I was watching Heat-Bulls game earlier today….The Heat arena announcer has to be one of the worse in the league….

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:43 pm

Rev in Tampa

January 29th, 2012
8:43 pm

Teague is the BOMB!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:43 pm

Kill em Teague

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:43 pm

Get off my nutz. – Debo

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
8:43 pm

M – V – TEAGUE M – V – TEAGUE

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:43 pm

Strong finish to the quarter so far for the Hawks. 12 point lead with 3 minutes left and they go on an 8-0 run.

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
8:43 pm

Why cannot J Smoove channel Ivan Johnson???

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
8:43 pm

Great game by Teague. And some props to Zaza, too.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:44 pm

Ivan is a smooth looking offensive player when he is under control.

This lead quickly ballooned to 20 pts. Wow

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:44 pm

And with that free throw they now match their biggest lead of the game.

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
8:44 pm

Teague for Mayor of Atlanta!

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:44 pm

LOL….between Zaza and Ivan, SOMEBODY finna catch a ‘bow if the ball is loose…

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:44 pm

Gets real physical when Zaza and Ivan play together

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
8:44 pm

I like seeing Joe and T-mac on the floor at the same time

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:45 pm

Way to protect the rim Zaza!

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
8:45 pm

Very nice of the ASG to acquire a PG that shoot, penetrate and play defense this season. Say what, Teague has been on the Hawks team for 3yrs… Go figure…

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:45 pm

Do you like my exhaust fumes? – Jeff Teague

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
8:45 pm

ZAZA Channeling his inner BILL RUSSEL!

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
8:45 pm

Hornets announcers making fun of teague. Teague can t get no respect.

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:45 pm

Teague turns on the jets….

And did I see the Georgian Forehead with another block?

FreshmakerGT

January 29th, 2012
8:45 pm

I know some of ya’ll don’t like Zaza, but he’s playing well tonight. 7 points, 7 boards and 2 blocks.

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:45 pm

Hornets have to be worse team in league.. plain ugly.

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
8:45 pm

oh boy, here comes the big krispy kreme

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:45 pm

Stan VanGundy has his bags packed already..He lost that team….Ya think?

Hey Stan, Greyhound is ready when you are!

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:46 pm

Tell you what….it was outta control, but good look from Ivan.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:46 pm

Ivan channeling his inner Josh with that pass…

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
8:46 pm

First time Ivan looked out of control. He can;t play like that. But so far, he’s played a realy nice game, too.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:46 pm

lmao….get in front of IVAN if you want….aint no stopping that man

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:46 pm

Teague= Da Blur!!!!!!!!!!!!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:47 pm

Ivan should’ve shot that himself.

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
8:47 pm

Its hard to sat Teague is the most improved player; only because he has never gotten a fair shake here until this year.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:47 pm

That’s bull****. – Debo

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
8:47 pm

I LOVE BEING ABLE TO HEAR IVAN BARK AT THE REF’S

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:47 pm

Jason Collins to his rightful place….the bench

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

Willie Green!

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

slick willie

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

Williiiiiiieeeeeee

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

FreshmakerGT

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

BANG!!!! Willie!

MattP

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

Hopefully the starters are done tonight. Good job by them, especially Teague and Marvin.

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

Oooohh – that’s mean Willy Green.

Blast

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

Willie Green!

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

Willie Green is a winner and a competitor…..

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
8:48 pm

Give LD some credit for putting Teague back in the game. Wait, LD? Credit? For playing Teague? Never mind.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:49 pm

Big Willie Style . . . . .

Rev in Tampa

January 29th, 2012
8:49 pm

Willie Green has come on strong with that 3pt shot

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:49 pm

Ivan Johnson is like a runaway Hummer out there, LOL

Punanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:49 pm

You can tell teague got some bitchz in him. He walkz like a hoez, talkz like a hoez and has eyelashes like a hoez.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:49 pm

24 point lead to end the quarter, their biggest of the game. They went on a 14-2 run over the last 3 minutes. Great to see them step on an opponent’s throat and not let up, for a change.

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
8:49 pm

Willie Green has been a pleasant surprise this season…

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:50 pm

Most Improved Player is about stats. If you make a big jump in all categories then you are in consideration regardless of how much you’ve previously played

vava74

January 29th, 2012
8:50 pm

Well, that was a nice run.

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
8:50 pm

Slimjr,

I thought you were crazy when you said the Hawks would go 18-4 after the first one-third [1/3] of the season [22 games]. Three losses that come to mind that the Hawks should have won were @Philly, @Chicago [on NBA TV] and vs. Miami [on TNT]. Instead of being 14-6, the Hawks could be 17-3 right now and if the Hawks [team] win tonight, [the team would be] 18-3.

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
8:50 pm

just keep winning fellas, just keep winning.

Punanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:50 pm

yo Magic Cityz bumping right? you pimpz down wit it?

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
8:51 pm

This is revenge for that those spankings the Hornets put on us last year. I was in the building in NO last year when CP3 relentlessly burnt Jamal Crawford….The only Hawk Fan jawing it with the Hornets Fans. Its a whole other ball game now partly because CP3 is long gone but JT0 is the new leader of the floor.

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
8:51 pm

sounds like someone’s been around a lot of hoez..

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:51 pm

Stan Van single handily coached his team out of his one and only championship shot in 08!

The meter is running on that cab!

Blast

January 29th, 2012
8:51 pm

Teague is just beasting tonight. Give him an assist on that Willie Green long range bomber.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:51 pm

let T-Mac rest…..get Pargo some PT

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:51 pm

JJ and Josh are a combined 7 – 25 FG for 15 points . . but the Hawks are up 24 points?

My how times have changed.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:51 pm

This is far from the Magic’s biggest concern, but Ryan Anderson is coming back to Earth, which improves Teague’s chances for MIP.

JaeEvolution

January 29th, 2012
8:52 pm

Willie Green is pretty good.

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
8:52 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:52 pm

Collins showing some mobility.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:52 pm

Nique always clowning on Collins, lol.

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
8:52 pm

Good call BoneK

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:52 pm

with Ivan on the floor….bodies flying

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:53 pm

Stan had the better team on paper and should have won that Championship in 5 or 6 games!

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
8:53 pm

Punanny Jones

January 29th, 2012
8:53 pm

4 all my betichez out here Ill spit flavor later you know what to do.

Hawks, stick a fork in this BETICHZ She done.

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:53 pm

Jason Collins at the top of the key, directing traffic? What is this, comedy hour?

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:54 pm

Xavier Henry…..what a bust….knew he wasn’t all that coming out of college…shoulda stayed

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:54 pm

Popovich has all 5 starters on the bench, all 5 bench players in, during crunch time as the Spurs are expanding their 4th quarter lead on the Mavs.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
8:54 pm

Willie Green has much better range on his shot than Flip..Also much quicker off the dribble…

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:54 pm

I’m surprised how good there defense is without Vlad in the game. – LD the clueless

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:55 pm

Kirk lost his man…..put Pargo in

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
8:55 pm

“BETICHZ”

…..Yep, definitely POOTIE TANG…

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
8:55 pm

Kirk doing his best to copy Teague… and failing.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:56 pm

Despite that turnover, Kirk has had a pretty good game, but he gives the Hawks no ability to penetrate the defense at all.

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
8:56 pm

Hawks need a TO….before we know it, this lead will be down to 15

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:56 pm

#tradeKirkHinrich just dribble the ball out of bounds man????

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
8:56 pm

LOL at Big Ray’s comedy hour-Collins line.

@Yobrother, thanks for the clarification.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:57 pm

Look how ivan created space there.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:57 pm

“Who the hell let POOTIE TANG loose in here with a keyboard?” -blu ray-
___________

LMBAO! you wild man … lock his azz up and throw away the KEY-board. code blue!
___________

Blu Ray, on a serious note, did you hear about my classmate Master Corporal sandy Rogers? She was gunned down next to the house I grew up in yesterday morning, in Aiken, SC. That house in the crime scene photo is mine and is in a very nice neighborhood. The suspect was arrested @ 1130AM in Batesburg, SC. sandy was hit two times in the vest and ince in the head @ 730AM.

The per, Joshua Tremaine jones, 26 years old, also shot his 21 year old live in girlfriend, pregnant that same morning in the head while asleep. She filed an assault complaint on him last month. Just awful for us, Sandy was a very close friend. The whole town of Aiken is devastated all day today and yesterday.

Did you hear about this, google that later? This is the second officer killed this month in my home town of population 30K – just crazy and scary stuff. We dont feel safe without law enforcement there, everybody is scared now.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:57 pm

man the Spurs were being handled when I turned….now they are winning?

Sautee

January 29th, 2012
8:57 pm

22 pt. lead with Joe and Josh in single figures.

Takes a village, I guess.

vava74

January 29th, 2012
8:58 pm

Yeah, there a lot of Josh in Ivan. Gotta understand what can and can’t do in the big league.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
8:58 pm

Assuming the Hawks hold on, they will be 1.5 games out of the #1 seed in the East.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:58 pm

Gregg Popovich….showing confidence in his bench

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
8:58 pm

Slim, you are on target; Willie G has been a very good surprise. He has a sweet stroke.

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
8:59 pm

With the Hawks’ weak strength of schedule [19th], Atlanta should do their best to try and secure one of the top two [playoff] seeds in the Eastern Conference. This is a very realistic goal for this team even without Al Horford.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
8:59 pm

* the perp, joshua …

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
8:59 pm

JT just tied it at 91

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
8:59 pm

tied it up!!! after the Dirk travel in the open court….but still….the JET getting it done

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
8:59 pm

And look the Spurs starters cheering the bench guys on.

JT with a huge shot.

If I were Pop . . I’m putting Parker and Duncan in this game right now, just for the final possession.

But he won’t/

atlantadeepdirtybench

January 29th, 2012
9:00 pm

willie green is claaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
9:00 pm

T-Mac still got it!

FreshmakerGT

January 29th, 2012
9:00 pm

Dayum! T-Mac got UP for that….BOOM!

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
9:01 pm

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
9:01 pm

Danny Green for the win!!!!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:01 pm

LOL Danny Green wins it. Incredible.

atlantadeepdirtybench

January 29th, 2012
9:01 pm

Tmac Nasty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
9:01 pm

I’m going to have back spasms after that dunk. – Tmac

Bigman needed

January 29th, 2012
9:01 pm

Heinrich we are trying to save his knees!

Rev in Tampa

January 29th, 2012
9:01 pm

Funny, the Hornets announcers mentioned Al Horford, and I had completely forgotten about him while watching this game.

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
9:01 pm

Oh Tmac you can still do that…

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
9:01 pm

What channel is the spurs game on?

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
9:02 pm

that’s a make!!!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:02 pm

Hawks defense is so impressive tonight.

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
9:02 pm

LD, your PG has solidified your job status….

The Most Improved at this juncture.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
9:03 pm

no basket….overtime….SMH…that was thrilling

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
9:03 pm

Magic lost again…that team has started to check out….may be put a fork in them.
Celtics lost to the Cavs…

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
9:03 pm

Rethink….on espn

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:03 pm

Jason Collins is about to die . . . just play ivan at center and put Vlad or Stack in

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
9:03 pm

Sund, don’t trade Willie Green! He is looking good!

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
9:04 pm

No. If we put Vlad in, the defense goes away.

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
9:04 pm

Put Vlad in for Collins…

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
9:04 pm

Vlad Rad bout to get cut to make room for Kenyon Martin

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:04 pm

Ivan doing it all . .

and Willie Green > Jamal Crawford. He doesn’t need 16 shots to score 16 points.

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
9:04 pm

Still amazed that our bench ain’t a one man show anymore. This is great to build on leads with our 2nd unit.

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
9:05 pm

Go ahead and resign Green, TMAC, Vlad and Ivan for next season…

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:06 pm

Spurs and Mavs is like an old school heavyweight fight . . going back and forth.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
9:06 pm

Vlad must really be in the doghouse if he can’t get in the game now.

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
9:07 pm

Crap. There’s Vlad. Bye-bye lead.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
9:07 pm

Seriously…I have missed a couple games but why the hell is vlad rad just getting in?

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
9:07 pm

Collins.lmao…maybe you’ll take me out if i jack a couple jumpers

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
9:08 pm

Dude blows past bad Vlad for the layup.

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
9:08 pm

Very true statement and refreshing fact about Willie vs Jamal. Efficiency!!!

Boston, Orlando —— outta elite status. Let’s take the crown and run with it!

MattP

January 29th, 2012
9:08 pm

“Drew said he would split reserve minutes between Kirk Hinrich and Jannero Pargo.”

Funny, this did not even happen, Pargo never saw the floor until the 4th.

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
9:08 pm

The stack attack..

Big Lou

January 29th, 2012
9:08 pm

Layup number two on Vlad.

Mr.E

January 29th, 2012
9:08 pm

Green is awesome
#justsayin

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
9:09 pm

The Willie Green-Flip Murray comparison is on point.

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
9:09 pm

Vlad got scored on by the Predator…

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:09 pm

WTF is up with Squeaky Johnson’s hair? Cut that ish dude

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
9:10 pm

The 2nd Shift!

Can we name our bench that? They are worthy of a name now.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
9:10 pm

I recall some were knocking Willie Green before he got into basketball shape early in the season. Now Hinrich will need some time to do the same before he is able to return to form.

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
9:12 pm

The two seed would be a great accomplishment.just keep playing like have!

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
9:12 pm

lol @ T Mac enjoying that old 69 boys ..

Blast

January 29th, 2012
9:12 pm

Another road win!!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
9:12 pm

Spectacular DEFENSE from everyone!!!!!!!!

Bigman needed

January 29th, 2012
9:13 pm

Enter your comments here

phil

January 29th, 2012
9:14 pm

Some of you geniuses had Teague out for weeks….

Good call.

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
9:14 pm

I didn’t know that Lil Wayne plays for the Hornets?

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
9:15 pm

I like “the 2nd shift”

Hawkfan

January 29th, 2012
9:15 pm

Nice win. Great D all game. Hornets laid lot of highly contested late in the shot clock bricks.

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
9:15 pm

Dayum northcyde let the dude wear his hair how he pleases – this used to be a free country. Vlad’s defense is a major LIABILITY!

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
9:15 pm

Y’all trippin’; Jamal Crawford is way better than Willie Green.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:15 pm

Nothing mechanical with this offense tonight? Ya Thinks! Hawks Win BIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
9:16 pm

lol…Collins says..”wtf…

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
9:16 pm

22 point road win guarantees a winning road trip.

phil

January 29th, 2012
9:16 pm

Fire larry drew!!

Right?

Sautee

January 29th, 2012
9:16 pm

Road wins, even against bad teams, ARE LIKE GOLD.

SoullRenaissance

January 29th, 2012
9:16 pm

DrMaryB – everyone but Vlad Rad!But great road win nonetheless – I thought it would be much closer – glad I was wrong.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:16 pm

Good team win for the Hawks tonight. Getting a blowout win when your two All-Stars have subpar offensive games is definitely a good thing. The defense is the key though. As long as this team can defend like this, we can survive tough shooting nights.

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
9:16 pm

The road wins keep coming.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
9:18 pm

@section212…thanks

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
9:19 pm

9 boards for Joe. Pretty sure that’s a season high.

Hollinger’s automated power rankings are going to show some love for this margin of victory.

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
9:19 pm

Good opp to rest the starters and let the bench get some minutes.

The Spurs subs are finishing the game vs. the Mavs….that is so rare in this league. Doesn’t mean they’ll win down 3 with 17.9, but interesting ploy by Pop.

phil

January 29th, 2012
9:19 pm

These road wins are against terrible teams.

Good opponent, we’re doomed more times than not.

We’re still out in round two, so calm down.

Bigman needed

January 29th, 2012
9:19 pm

Willie green is different to flip and jcrossover. He doesnt need the rock, doesnt pound it. Rather you find him spotting up and he drives. He doesnt need touches

Rev in Tampa

January 29th, 2012
9:20 pm

dr. mary, I am sorry about your loss. I know your neigborhood very well. One of my best friends was the pastor at Second Baptist Church on Hampton Street. I loved being a pastor in Aiken for nine years. Its a great town. I saw mayor cavanaugh in the pictures from the report. He is a good man and a good friend.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
9:20 pm

“LD, your PG has solidified your job status….” -KevinM-
________

Bibby did the same thing for Woody, saved his job and got extended. Before, Bibby we were 13 years w/o a play off appearance. Bibby got us headed in the right direction and we haven’t looked back since.

Now, The Black Ninja has done that for Larry Drew!

phil

January 29th, 2012
9:21 pm

Release someone!

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:21 pm

If Josh can just figure out those nights when his jumper left the building?

If I were his coach, he would be sitting next to me when he keeps throwing up those bricks!

I like brick houses too, but dayum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
9:22 pm

Willie Green is a winner

Ernest

January 29th, 2012
9:23 pm

Good win by the Hawks tonight. Let’s see if we can make it a 4-1 road trip with a win on Tuesday.

phil

January 29th, 2012
9:23 pm

Fire Bob Rathbun!!

doc

January 29th, 2012
9:24 pm

spurs, mavs pretty good game with spurs subs doing it for pops to bring them back.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
9:24 pm

how are you going to sit Josh when he has 4 blocks and 8 Rebs in 23 mins???? you people kill me.

He didn’t shoot well at all but he contributed majorly with his all around effort tonight.

phil

January 29th, 2012
9:24 pm

Willie Tebow…

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
9:24 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
9:25 pm

Popovich’s strategy doesn’t quite pay off. Spurs blow the final possession and lose by 1. Still a gutsy move on his part though, which could pay off in the long run for that team.

phil

January 29th, 2012
9:25 pm

Josh is a stubborn fool….

He can’t shoot unless it’s a dunk or layup.

Maybe someday he’ll realize it.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:26 pm

I heard that too Phil in the interview Mr Green!

JT for MVP tonight!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:26 pm

Jamal Crawford: 36% FG – 32% 3FG

Willie Green: 44% FG – 43% 3FG ( and this will go up after tonight )

Willie > Jamal

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
9:28 pm

Stop Phil….We all love Rathbun and his antics…that being said, I would not mind seeing the STINGER calling a game.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:28 pm

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
9:24 pm

“how are you going to sit Josh when he has 4 blocks and 8 Rebs in 23 mins???? you people kill me.

He didn’t shoot well at all but he contributed majorly with his all around effort tonight.”

His bricks equate to TO’s and in the playoff’s that will kill your chances against the Elites….

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:29 pm

yodaddy . . i agree

Josh really didn’t start shooting jumpers until the 3rd quarter. His play on defense and on the boards was outstanding tonight. Had he made his FTs, he would’ve had a decent statistical night for 23 minutes of play.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
9:29 pm

The Hornets decided to sit Chris Kaman so the bums on that squad could play….and you people still want to trade for him….smh….WAKE UP

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
9:29 pm

Dwight Howard says he’ll play wherever God wants him to play. But what if God wants him to play in Winnipeg?

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
9:29 pm

There is always someone hating on josh. Damn. I just wish he had somebody t set him straight from some of his p/or decisions.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:30 pm

Josh shooting bricks in the 3rd quarter against the Elites= HARRY CARRY…….

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
9:30 pm

When Josh was pulled out of the game in the 3rd quarter, the Hawks were up by about 15, and Josh led the team in +/- at +17. Josh didn’t reenter the game, the Hawks expanded the lead with Teague/Joe/Zaza in the game, and those three ended up with better +/-. Still, though, the point is Josh’s D had a major impact on this game, even with his subpar scoring night.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:31 pm

call it what you want. I call it like I see it…

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
9:32 pm

If he just had a veteran allstar the mentored him. He is still better every year.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:33 pm

So Chauncey Billups will determine if I win my first fantasy basketball week. Currently up 6 – 5. But only up by one three pointer in that category. And the guy I need to miss from three throughout the 2nd half, is Mr. Big Shot . . Chauncey Billups. And he’s already made 2 in the game.

(( sigh ))

Dude needs to tweak an ankle or something. A Jeff Teague like sprain that will only put him out the rest of the game, not out for the next game.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:33 pm

misspelled on purpose…..too lazy to look it up! lol^^^^^^

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
9:33 pm

Yeah Rev!

I grew up on the intersection of: Church St. and Edgefield Vae. At Eustis Park. I was just floored when I saw our house on the crime scene photo. The officerks blood was actually on our lawn. A family member lives there now and heard the three shots.

The neighbor who called 911 thought there was drug activity going on with the BMW and another car there for so long and so early in the morn.

In actuality, the perp was probably re-grouping from just murdering his girl and unborn child in their sleep from Augusta. He probably thought the officer was investigating that murder, paranoid! All he had to do was say he was lost and GPSing his locale. She would have assisted him. But he opened fire unnecessarily.

There will be a huge march at the park tomorrow.

My father’s step brother has a small church on the corner of Hampton Ave and Perrin St., Rev George Burchalter, JR. Do you know of him? He’s been there for many years. Rev George Burchalter, Sr was my Grandfather who died when I was 9 years old. A lot of history for me there. Glad I left though. Thanks for the kind words. I’m devastated.

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
9:34 pm

I wish I could watch Marvin’s missed dunk again

Hawkfan

January 29th, 2012
9:34 pm

No need to compare Willie and Jamal. Both good at what they do. Difference is this year we actually have other good players on the 2nd team like TMac, Kirk, Pargo, Ivan. Need to upgrade the Collins slot though. Slower than Blair Rasmussen

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:34 pm

LOL . . what if God wants him to come to Atlanta? Will he come?

vava74

January 29th, 2012
9:34 pm

Both JJ and Josh contributed in spite of their poor shooting nights.

Lay off! We won by 22!

Astro Joe

January 29th, 2012
9:35 pm

Zaza had a much better game than the box score suggests. He did a nice job defending pick and rolls and caught most of the passes thrown to him in the paint. He may have had better numbers if he didn;t take the elbow smash in the first half. Bottom line, he has stepped up nicely and is growing into his new role.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:36 pm

Willie at least plays defense, JC1 not so much……

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
9:36 pm

Remember people, we have Jason Collins as a Orlando Magic insurance policy. Without Twin we could the magic would destroy us.

kwooden

January 29th, 2012
9:36 pm

Great win tonight, with JJ going 4-15 and Josh going 3-10!! Jeff with an awesome display of shooting. If he can keep knocking down his 3’s, we’re going to be a really tough team to stop. Everybody has to respect his ability to drive and his floater is deadly right now. The HAWKS almost shot has well from the 3 point line as they did from the free-throw line! (52% to 58%) That’s not good, Josh needs to get this corrected.

GO HAWKS!!

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
9:39 pm

We r on our way to a winning road record for the season. Have we done that in the last 18yrs? ever?

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
9:40 pm

@SlimJr

lol @ “his bricks equate to turnovers”. I guess every time a player misses a jumpshot it’s a turnover huh?

I see LBJ constantly jacking up jumpers (granted he’s LBJ) but still the principle applies. Take the magnifying glasses off for a second and look at Josh’ overall contributions when he’s on the floor. He posted a +19, he altered plenty of shots at the rim and blocked 4 of them.

Yall complain about the same thing every game but guess what…Josh will continue to shoot jumpers. He has a nice stroke…it’s not like he’s Joakim Noah out there. He’s the definition of streaky and when he’s on it’s deadly for defenses.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
9:42 pm

Sautee’s Golden Nugget!

“Road wins, even against bad teams, ARE LIKE GOLD.”
________

You’ve been saying that for years! We count on you for the golden nugget! Thanks Sautee for keepin’ it real!
_________

PREACH! CHURCH! TABERNACLE!

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:42 pm

LOL . . and just like that, Chauncey kills me.

Two threes in a row. 23 points so far for him, and looking for more.

Oh well, we put up a good fight this week.

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
9:42 pm

I know I’m nitpicking about the best center in the league, but 4-15 at the line tonight? Really?

He and Josh on one team would make LD start growing gray hair!

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
9:42 pm

northcyde,

Jamal Crawford: 13.1ppg, FT% – 94.9% [current NBA leader in FT%]
Willie Green: 6,0ppg, FT% – 75.0%

Jamal Crawford 2X > Willie Green

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
9:43 pm

Oh yeah, Josh and meaningless 0-4 at the line tonight.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:44 pm

smh . . Chauncey going for 40 tonight. 26 points now.

yodaddybrother

January 29th, 2012
9:45 pm

time to pound the Raptors on Tuesday

doc

January 29th, 2012
9:45 pm

really good game as these guys put a hurt on folks they should beat. get some rest and come on back the phil at 16 – 6 for a solid start.

slimjr you were only off by 2 maybe for first 22 game prediction.

good to see effort keep up even well after the game was decided. guys seem to want to play it right. like seeing ivan get some burn. overall about an a- for this team thus far this season. looking forward to the next four at home. those games will tell us a little more about this team. still think .500 in february would be huge. march has 7 sets of back to backs of the total of 18 games. got to make hay while we can.

Dawg

January 29th, 2012
9:45 pm

The Hawks organization paid over $200,000 tonight for Joe’s 9 points. This is going to be one LONG contract.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:46 pm

One more game in Jan then that brutal Feb schedule comes calling…Your mission is to stay above .500…This tape will self destruct in 5,4,3,2…………..

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
9:46 pm

That’s funny Dawg! I guess 10-1 when Joe scores 20 doesn’t help huh?

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:48 pm

Right Doc..I was pretty close with an 18-4 1st 22 game prediction! Man you are on top of your game.Guess thats why we call u DOC? Hahaha….

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
9:48 pm

Dwight wuld be great, but hlwho would have to go?

Coach D

January 29th, 2012
9:50 pm

Have loved the Hawks schedule. Know it’s going to get tougher…. It’s got to. BUT, way to represent the ATL. starters & the new efficient bench. Al will be back for the playoffs, I’m sure of it. Could be interesting come playoff time. I HOPE!!!!

KevinM

January 29th, 2012
9:51 pm

You know who D12’s coach is for his free throws? Yep, Josh’s ole coach Mark Price….

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:51 pm

Hey Doc the Hawks are going ear their money in february and March?

We need a quality Big yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! C’mon Sund!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Smack yourself……..

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:52 pm

Coach D

January 29th, 2012
9:52 pm

@ Dawg… J.J. earned every penny (and more) of his $200,000, Friday night at Detroit. Don’t mess with success.

phil

January 29th, 2012
9:53 pm

LOL at Howard and going where God says go…

He’ll be following the money of course.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
9:54 pm

Per 36 minute numbers

Jamal: 6.5 FG on 18.1 shots ( 36% shooting ) . . add 2 extra points for the two 3 pointers he makes every 36 minutes . . and 4 points for the FTs = 19 points

If Willie Green took 18 shots every 36 minutes, these would be his numbers

8.1 made FGs for every 18 FG attempts . . plus add 2 points for the threes he would make during that span . . and 2 point for the FTs = 20 points

Willie > Jamal . . because Willie shoots and defends better.

Jamal only scores more than Willie, because he shoots more than Willie.

If Willie took

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
9:55 pm

Hey dawg

How about trying to earn his the 8games. Wyy do you try to hate on him now?

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
9:55 pm

Hey D12 why dont ya just come Home?

Hinrick and Al for D12! Make it so…….

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
9:59 pm

“With so many other good teams in the East, including the Heat, Bulls, Celtics, Sixers and Pacers, it’s very important for the Magic to not have too many stretches like the one they just had.”

That’s the quote from Josh Cohen, from Cohen Courtside with Orlando Magic.com. Hawk hater I guess. The Celtics?

bigdave

January 29th, 2012
10:01 pm

as long as we see poor jump shooting nights not effecting effort given in other facets of his game, there is no reason to be critical of Josh. dude was effecting almost every shot at the basket while he was in the game..

ClassicHawks

January 29th, 2012
10:04 pm

Joe has won us two games on this road trip, Cmon Dawg, get off that BS man. LD is a good coach. Yall are some unintelligent fans if you cant see that!

RethinkPossible

January 29th, 2012
10:06 pm

Cohen’s Courtside will be over once Dwight leaves….

Hawkfan

January 29th, 2012
10:08 pm

Don’t know how they did it but the coaching staff has done a great job getting these guys to buy into team defense. So much better than last year. I thought LD was weak defensive coach and was missing Woody. These guys defend and win even when their best player doesn’t shoot well. My kind of basketball

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
10:09 pm

kevkat

January 29th, 2012
10:09 pm

I agree RethinkPossible.

TMACfan

January 29th, 2012
10:10 pm

Where has Smith.Lueur.Bogut been all these days?? Please explain yourself.

And nice to see the vintage TMAC oop dunk!

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

January 29th, 2012
10:15 pm

LOL @ Marvin missing that alleyoop.

What a joke of a player.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
10:17 pm

atlchris77!

“I like “the 2nd shift”.
__________

What about:

Night Shift
4-12
The Night Crew
The Relievers
The Replacements
_________

That’s IT: THE REPLACEMENTS!!!!!!!!!!

What do yawl think about that? Come On yawl.

The Falcons O-Line were called: DIRT BAGS!
So, we got to name our bench before the play offs!!!!!

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
10:18 pm

We fixing to see how good this coaching staff is in the Month of February..They will be tested for sure….

atlchris77

January 29th, 2012
10:18 pm

We will just need to make it to the ECF’s

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
10:26 pm

northcyde,

When you use ‘per 36 minute statistics’, you are trying to pro-rate or extrapolate a player’s production which can lead to a fallacy or falsehood. The ‘per 36 minute statistics’ do not take into account that a player’s efficiency and productivity may decline on the back end if he [or she] was to play a full 36 minutes in a game. Willie Green currently averages 15.7mpg [minutes per game]. If Willie Green were to play an additional 20.3mpg, who’s to say that his efficiency and productivity would not decline and vice-versa? If Willie Green is better than Jamal Crawford, why is Willie [Green] averaging 15.7mpg with the Hawks and Jamal [Crawford] used to average approximately 30+mpg with the Hawks?

Rev in Tampa

January 29th, 2012
10:32 pm

“Dwight Howard says he’ll play wherever God wants him to play.”

I didn’t know Dwight was a Calvinist:
http://www.monergism.com/directory/link_category/Reformed-Theology/Sovereignty-of-God/
In case you are wondering; I am a Calvinist in my theology and believe everything contained in the link above.

Ken Strickland

January 29th, 2012
10:37 pm

I mentioned a while back that our team would get better as soon as Green and Pargo familiarized themselvse with our OFF and DEF systems and their teammates. Unlike in yrs past, we can now survive without getting solid gms from our key players. We have become a good team in Horford’s absence, but we will be a very good team upon his return.

Marvin had his 2nd very solid all around gm tonight. If he had disappeared, certain individuals would be on here bashing him in every way. But now that he’s starting to do what they said he couldn’t do, all we hear from them about Marvin is a deafening silence. The Hawks play a type of DEF tonight that was unheard of in the past. This team has improved tremendously over previous yrs, and they’ve managed to do it by investing in low to minimum contract players for the bench, rather than spending big dollars on one trick ponys(Jamal & Bibby).

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
10:39 pm

Jamal and Melo are volume scorers who always need the ball in their hands.

Willie is a more efficient scorer who does not need to dominate the ball, that’s the difference I see.

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
10:39 pm

You all are nit picking Smoove…Be glad that he is a complete enough player to positively impact the game in other areas. If the missed shots count as turnovers, then the blocked shots and assists should count as points? Smoove is a tramendously talented player. Only imagine how much better he would be if the hometown fans put full support behind him instead of bitchin and moaning over every missed shot.

Kontract

January 29th, 2012
10:41 pm

All I have to say is that w/o Al we’re lookin like a #3 at worst!

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
10:42 pm

Given the results thus far: Josh and Joe >>>> Amare and Melo

BIG DOG

January 29th, 2012
10:42 pm

There is rumor about Magic want Horford more than any one out there.
This is why Magic have not traded Dwight to Lakers yet, they are seeing if the Hawks are going to make and offer.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

RA

January 29th, 2012
10:43 pm

Okay, you can talk a lot about strength of schedule, but the bottomline is that the Hawks are .5 games behind the heat and 2 games off pace for the best record in the East, and as far as the Eastern conference is concerned, there are five teams playing good basketball, and that includes Atlanta, all the other Eastern conference teams fit into the “teams we should beat” category. Now, I’m no genius when it comes to basketball analysis, but whenever you go on the road and post a 3-1 record with a chance to go 4-1, that’s not shabby, and for all those talking about strength of schedule, I’m sorry you didn’t get to gripe about them losing to weaker teams…

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
10:43 pm

On the rumor truthiness scale, I wonder where Big Dog ranks in relation to Tyrone’s cousin BooBoo.

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

January 29th, 2012
10:44 pm

Northcyde loses again in fantasy bball is week.

Dude has Marvin Williams on his FANTASY team and he’s worrying about and researching my team. ROTL.

Play ya position homie

Cosign used to be phoenix falcon.

I just think if we had Al the last 3 weeks we would have the exact same record.

Kontract

January 29th, 2012
10:44 pm

Section 212..ditto!

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
10:44 pm

And you have folks on here who are wishing for Melo or Amare on Hawks. Thus far the Knicks are way down given their talent and payroll.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
10:45 pm

From Peachtree Hoops’ Facebook page:

Stat of the Night: Per Synergy, Joe Johnson Iso Rate is 21% this season. In ‘09-’10, it was 37.1% and 29% in ‘10-’11.

Maybe LD hasn’t quite installed a motion offense, but he has gotten the team away from the iso-Joe offense.

Kontract

January 29th, 2012
10:46 pm

Amare is done! Melo is no good for the TEAM!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
10:47 pm

I think the Hawks would have beaten either the Pacers or Sixers, possibly both, with Al. The Sixers game in particular was lost primarily on the boards, where he would have helped big time. But either way they are 8-2 without him, so can’t really complain yet.

Section 212

January 29th, 2012
10:47 pm

BIG DOG

January 29th, 2012
10:47 pm

Josh need to call superman and tell Dwight the missing piece is he, Hawks have something special going on here, make that call Josh.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Kontract

January 29th, 2012
10:48 pm

Najeh: to great effect!

doc

January 29th, 2012
10:48 pm

slimj it does get interesting going forward.

houston’s surge has made that a legit loss when we all thought they were a trash team. not too many ill deserved l’s thus far.

bench continues to impress. zaza the last two games has looked very solid in the starter role. just wish we had one more big to come off the bench instead of collins. ivan growing as a pro. hinrich coming back this quickly is huge and his motor still runs hard, maybe even harder off the bench. between pargo, green and hinrich that looks to be a strength. marvin stroking and staying upright to the point his name isnt maligned like it usually is. what more could one ask for with al out indefinitely?

teague, jj and josh rounding it out, playing star roles.

got to give ld some love for substitution patterns that are usually well thought out and good x&o’s after time outs. good ball movement on o and very tenacious team oriented d on the other end. got to give him some cred too, for now.

like em but said that this time last year and they faded when it got tough. we will see if they have learned anything along the way and why the four games at home to start february are so important. 20 – 6 heading on the road after the home stand too much too ask for?

doc

January 29th, 2012
10:53 pm

man, josh and jj a combined 7 for 25 and we still win by over twenty.

BIG DOG

January 29th, 2012
10:53 pm

Horford Marvin Hinrich for Dwight Turk
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
10:54 pm

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
10:26 pm

northcyde,

When you use ‘per 36 minute statistics’, you are trying to pro-rate or extrapolate a player’s production which can lead to a fallacy or falsehood. The ‘per 36 minute statistics’ do not take into account that a player’s efficiency and productivity may decline on the back end if he [or she] was to play a full 36 minutes in a game. Willie Green currently averages 15.7mpg [minutes per game]. If Willie Green were to play an additional 20.3mpg, who’s to say that his efficiency and productivity would not decline and vice-versa? If Willie Green is better than Jamal Crawford, why is Willie [Green] averaging 15.7mpg with the Hawks and Jamal [Crawford] used to average approximately 30+mpg with the Hawks?

***********************

Because Larry Drew and Mike Woodson for that matter, used to give the majority of the backup PG minutes to Jamal, while keeping Teague on the bench. Also remember that Mike Bibby was our starting PG for 1.5 years while Jamal was here.

Bibby would play the point, Jamal the 2, and JJ the 3.

The question is, would Jamal still be getting all of those minutes if we had T-Mac and Vlad on last year’s squad, along with an improved Marvin, and Teague as the starting PG?

Jamal pretty much had to play last year, because Drew didn’t trust Teague as the backup PG, and Marvin played like garbage.

Jamal is the ultimate hot and cold player. When he’s hot, he looks like an All-Star. When he’s cold, he looks worse than Salim Stoudamire.

Green is at least an under control player who can consistently make shots, and stop shooting from deep when he’s not on. People complain about Josh Smith’s shot selection, but Jamal Crawford’s was much worse.

The great season he had for us in 09 – 10 is turning out to be a fluke season.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
10:54 pm

“not too many ill deserved l’s thus far.”

None, in fact. The Pacers are the worst team the Hawks have lost to if you go by Hollinger’s rankings. They are 12th on his list. The other five teams are ranked 1, 2, 3, 9, and 11.

The only red flag to me is that 4 of those losses — all on the road — were by double digits.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 29th, 2012
10:56 pm

Oh yeah, and they have beaten 1, 3, 6, and 14 on his list, so not all the wins have been against scrubs either.

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
10:59 pm

Well, it was nice to see Jeff Teague save the game and Willie Green silence those who wanted his butt outta here some time ago…

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
11:00 pm

Dr. Mary B, Ken Strickland and northcyde,

You all will see how valuable Jamal Crawford was to the Hawks when the playoffs begin. When the opposition’s defense takes it up a notch and the pressure hits, you will see which Hawks’ players are going to be able to make clutch buckets or score in cruch time. The only Hawks’ player I see right now making clutch buckets in the playoffs is Joe Johnson and, once opposing teams double him [Joe Johnson] up, someone else will have to step up and make shots. Jamal Crawford made his fair share of clutch shots for the Hawks in the playoffs especially in the first round of both the 2010 and 2011 playoffs.

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
11:01 pm

Nice Mary. A little under hand slow pitch across the plate and you went yard with the bases drunk…. nice.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 29th, 2012
7:09 pm

Bob Weiss!

“sweet Mary whats the deal with playing on pain killers? Do you recommend rest or play? Is this in Teague’s best interest? Should he just play through? Cant it get worse?”
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Excellent question Bob! What causes pain is inflammation in joints, what hold the joint capsules in place is ligaments. The ligaments are like plastic and they do not snap back like rubber bands. Because ligaments are avascular, (no blood supply) they are called “white meat” as is cartilage and tendons.

A joint capsule has fluid inside called synovial fluid, which makes the intra-capsules “squishy” and gives it ranges of motion.

The cortic-steroid does not kill pain in and of itself, so you don’t feel woozy … but, the steroids eliminates/reduce swelling. Swelling causes pain. Ice is the best thing for swelling in lieu of or, along with steroids. So, as long as there is no swelling there is no pain. However, it will be tender and sore because the ligament was stretched beyond it’s limit, (para-physiological space). That stretching in weight bearing joints is what causes joints to slide front to back, in this case left to right.

A good tape job will help, not to tight though because that will cut off blood and oxygen supply, causing swelling again. So the key here is to eliminate swelling more than anything. Jeff is a light weight and when he rolled that ankle he snapped it back quickly by falling down instead.

The brain is a powerful thing when falling, it protects and minimizes the severity of injury by falling down and away from contact, which in this case was the floor itself.
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Sorry Bob, I went into my zone and probably gave way TMI.

Excellent question, to answer it directly:

If Jeff can tolerate the pain threshold, he should play all out and, forget about the ankle itself or, just sit down.

BIG DOG

January 29th, 2012
11:01 pm

Teague Joe Vlad Josh Dwight

Pargo Green Tmac Turk Zaza

Ivan Stack Collins

This team would bring home the title

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
11:02 pm

Green is at least an under control player who can consistently make shots, and stop shooting from deep when he’s not on. People complain about Josh Smith’s shot selection, but Jamal Crawford’s was much worse.

Oh, this is SO true. The other major difference is Jamal was hard-pressed to contribute meaningfully to the game in other ways when his shot was off. Josh can take bad shots, but he would also pick up assists, block shots, get steals, grab rebounds, etc.

Tonight he didn’t do so great a job of making up for his cold shooting in ways the stat column could show…but then again…those 9 boards, the countless fight for more of them, and those 4 blocks cannot be ignored – they made a difference. And for that, I won’t complain, even if I wanted it to be 12+ boards or something along those lines. Foul trouble kept him at bay tonight.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
11:05 pm

Yes Doc, excellent diagnosis describing these Atlanta Hawks..Big difference between this year and last year is our deep bench and our guard play is much stronger..Especially defensively at the point of attack.. Teague is just been amazing!

If our front line was as talented as the back court, this team could possibly be dare I say a contender?

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
11:07 pm

BIG DOG

January 29th, 2012
11:01 pm

“Teague Joe Vlad Josh Dwight

Pargo Green Tmac Turk Zaza

Ivan Stack Collins

This team would bring home the title

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE”

Dream Team 2.0! Hahaha…..

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
11:13 pm

Let Pargo sub for Jeff..

Let Hinrich sub for Iso…

Bob Weiss

January 29th, 2012
11:14 pm

It must have been hard for the hawks to get up for the Hornets, but the did and put this team away really in the first quarter. Hawks too strong and playing too well to lose to scrubs right now. If we only had a center….

But of course weve been saying that for years now. Fact if you give us A Jordan or a bynum or 1 step back from that level wed win a championship with this squad.

Bloggers Let the hate rest. Every player on earth has good days and bad. At the end of the year look at the body of work and judge that. All these micro- analysis for every possession is idiotic. Thats why so many of you put your foot in your mouths because you never shut up long enough to see whats really going on. You are so quick to pick out a perceived flaw in your most hated player that your cant see your favorite play has the same issue.

So the hawks took the easy rode sat back and took this game almost effortlessly. Hornets just rolled over. No fight.

Who’s got next?

Big Ray

January 29th, 2012
11:15 pm

You all will see how valuable Jamal Crawford was to the Hawks when the playoffs begin. When the opposition’s defense takes it up a notch and the pressure hits, you will see which Hawks’ players are going to be able to make clutch buckets or score in cruch time. The only Hawks’ player I see right now making clutch buckets in the playoffs is Joe Johnson and, once opposing teams double him [Joe Johnson] up, someone else will have to step up and make shots. Jamal Crawford made his fair share of clutch shots for the Hawks in the playoffs especially in the first round of both the 2010 and 2011 playoffs.

And where was he in the 2nd round?

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
11:18 pm

northcyde,

The “fluke” is Josh Smith making these deep perimeter jumpers during this regular season so far. When the playoffs start, his [Josh Smith's] carriage will soon turn into a pumpkin or shall I say a sweet potato [candid yam] and he will be brickin’ more j’s than you can stand and probably enough to rebuild all of the projects [subsidized housing] in New York City, NY and Atlanta, GA combined.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
11:29 pm

2-12 in the 2nd rd with JC1…enough said…..

Grandmaster JeJe (GM)

January 29th, 2012
11:29 pm

Amare is done?

Um no.

SMH

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
11:30 pm

Can we ever beat The Spurs or OKC?

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
11:32 pm

“The Philadelphia 76ers have reached out to the New York Knicks to ask about their willingness to trade power forward Amare Stoudemire, CSN Philadelphia reports (via Pro Basketball Talk).

The Sixers’ inquiries are being characterized as “due diligence,” a league source tells CSN Philly, and no trade is imminent.”

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-01-29/amare-stoudemire-philadelphia-76ers-sixers-new-york-knicks-nba-trades#ixzz1kug3pSrM

FYI..

doc

January 29th, 2012
11:34 pm

najeh, some might complain, quibble and question the losses to the heat and bulls where we were in the drivers seat only to lose, but we had some comebacks and stole two from the twolves and pistons that evened it out, in my mind. personally, i expected the pacers and sixers to roll us and are better than us. i want to see what happens when we get them on our own floor and maybe change my mind. if not those double digit losses are something to point to in match ups in the playoffs.

not really ready to say this is a top three team but with the magic going into a fade we are top five unless the celts come back from the grave in a big way. no excuses to not be in top five at this point, just dont know if they are worthy of a first round home series which is what we have to be playing for and keep in out sights.

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
11:35 pm

Big Ray,

Jamal Crawford in the 2nd round playoffs:

2011 Second Round Playoffs vs. Chicago; Game 1, Jamal Crawford scored 22 points and helped secure a Hawks’ victory. After Game 1, Coach Thibs made an adjustment and decided to run two players at Jamal and Jamal quickly tried to move/pass the ball [around] to get it back. LD didn’t make the necessary adjustments and counter-moves to free up Jamal.

2010 Second Round Playoffs vs, Orlando; Game 2, Jamal Crawford scored 23 points, Game 3, Jamal scored 18 points, and Game 4, Jamal Crawford scored 22 points. Jamal was the only one ballin’ for the Hawks in that woeful sweep to Orlando that year.

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
11:45 pm

Slimjr,

Without Jamal [Crawford], the Hawks DO NOT make it to the 2nd round of the playoffs in 2010 and 2011. In the second round of the 2011 playoffs, Jamal scored 22 points in a Game 1 victory @ Chicago and hit a dagger 3 pointer in a Game 4 victory vs. Chicago in Atlanta.

Melvin

January 29th, 2012
11:47 pm

I wouldn’t have thought this before the season but I think Kyrie Irving is a better PG prospect John Wall.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
11:54 pm

And in the 2 biggest games in Atlanta history since the Boston vs Atlanta series in 1988, Jamal promptly shot 3 – 19 FG in Game 5 and Game 6 of the Chicago series.

Like I said . . ultimate hot and cold player.

Give me a guy who I can count on to consistently score around 15 points a game every night . . than a guy who scores 23 one night, and 7 the next night, to score those same 15 points a game.

Those are the types of guys that will get you beat.

Nobody in ATL is crying over the loss of Jamal anymore, now that we see that we actually have a 5 man bench, instead of a 1 or 2 man bench.

northcyde

January 29th, 2012
11:55 pm

Melvin, did you see that move that Kyrie made? John Wall couldn’t convert a shot like that in that situation.

Slimjr

January 29th, 2012
11:56 pm

Kyrie Irving is a scorer. John Wall is not….

Scoring the ball is a gift you either got or ya dont…Kyrie got it….

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 29th, 2012
11:58 pm

Slimjr,

In Game 4 of the 2nd round of the 2011 playoffs, Atlanta [Hawks] beat Chicago [Bulls] 100-88 and Jamal Crawford scored 12 points. The point differential in the Hawks victory was 12 points and Jamal Crawford scored 12 points. I guess that’s why Jamal Crawford is sometimes called [nicknamed] “The Difference.” You betta recognize.

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
12:01 am

People are appreciative of what Jamal did here. Even I appreciate it. But I don’t miss that dude one bit. The inconsistency was just too great.

WHEN ARE THEY MOVING ?????

January 30th, 2012
12:02 am

WHO CARES ? WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD WASTE A DIME ON THIS CRAP TEAM ?

SEATTLE LOOKING LIKE THE BEST BET FOR THIS TERRIBLE FRANCHISE, WHO NEEDS THUG BASKETBALL IN ATLANTA ANYHOW ???

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
12:07 am

Recognize? Hahaha..

JC1 game does entertain the fans…..

I want guards who can D up Sir…I can find guards who can shoot the rock…

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
12:08 am

LOL . . Josh Smith had the game of his life in Game 4 of the Chicago series. He was “the difference”. Jamal gets props for hitting a timely 3 to put the game away ( to put us up 11 points ). Hell, and thank God he made that shot, seeing that he had missed the previous 4 threes he took up until that point.

But it was Smith and his 11 points, 5 rebounds, and 2 assists in that quarter that was “the difference”.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
12:09 am

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
12:01 am

“People are appreciative of what Jamal did here. Even I appreciate it. But I don’t miss that dude one bit. The inconsistency was just too great.”

Well said Northcyde…co-sign….

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
12:10 am

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
12:10 am

Move the Sixers to Seattle . . not the Hawks.

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 30th, 2012
12:10 am

northcyde,

You want to completely accentuate Jamal Crawford’s negatives, flaws and shortcomings, and discount his [Crawford's] positives, contributions and attributes. I’ll just wait and see how well Vlad-Rad, Willie Green, Jannero Pargo, T-Mac and Ivan Johnson will perform under playoff pressure and intensity especially on the road. The majority of the Hawks’ players don’t have the stones to withstand that type of game pressure like Jamal does.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
12:21 am

When is that Hockey team moving? Oh yea they moved to Canada to beat each other to a pulp! What a joke…..The refs stand there and let em swing for the fences…A joke….

Gets old pretty quick beating each other up? Where’s the entertainment? Get drunk…There ya go….

Rusty

January 30th, 2012
12:23 am

Rusty

January 30th, 2012
12:31 am

I love it,ld wanted so much to give the starting pg to KH but he would look so bad if he did.in the post game interview he didn’t mention jts name at all. He is such a bum. We seen in all of the games against good teams how bad he coached. The hawks are playing great in spite of him. I think that our offense suffers greatly when Joe tries to play iso Joe & stops all ball movement.

Rod from College Park

January 30th, 2012
12:32 am

“Bone . . . 70% of our fans secretly root against Marvin. I cheer for anybody who is helping us. Shoot, if I can cheer for Jamal Crawford, they can cheer for Marvin.” nothcyde

“Marvin had his 2nd very solid all around gm tonight. If he had disappeared, certain individuals would be on here bashing him in every way. But now that he’s starting to do what they said he couldn’t do, all we hear from them about Marvin is a deafening silence” Ken Strickland.

You two clowns must both work for Ringling Brothers. Marvin had two good games. Guess what, that’s what he gets paid to do. Out of all of the games he has played as a Hawk in his career, he has been noticeable in maybe 10 to 15 percent of those games. Not to mention that most of the shots he gets are wide open looks. He should be playing like this all the time. You both watch enough Hawks games to know the pattern. Marvin will play a couple of games well, then when we play a good team, he will fall, be out about a month, come back, take about a month to start playing well again, then repeat fall, out a month, comeback…………… Comparing Marvin to Jamal Crawford (LOL). Marvin has not seen a double team since high school. That should tell you all you need to know.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 30th, 2012
12:32 am

I love me some slimjr baby! Fool! Your azz is off da chain boy. You are killing me on the daily, I’m surprised I’m noT dead from laughing gases yet.

Simply a top notch nut job! Please don’t stop?

LMBAOROFKTC all day long!

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
12:36 am

Too bad Jamal folded like no other Hawk in history in those final 2 Bulls games. Had he just shown up in Game 5, when we had a chance to steal a game in Chicago, we may win Game 6.

But he was a complete no-show in both of those games.

So don’t type to me about our current guys possibly folding under playoff pressure. Jamal definitely folded under the pressure. In the Orlando series, both JJ and especially Kirk Hinrich played well in that series. Kirk was the main one who shut down Jameer Nelson.

Sorry dude. I’ll roll with Willie, T-Mac, Vlad, and Ivan . . over the one-man ‘tricky dribble’ show.

Rusty

January 30th, 2012
12:37 am

Jt always had a great outside shot but never had any opportunity thanks to LD & woody. They better stop treating him like crap or he will eventually leave. KT even in his best years couldn’t carry jt’s jock strap.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
12:38 am

Sometime ya feel like a nut, sometime ya dont! hahaha..

Thanks Ms Thang…….

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
12:41 am

Recognize this Home Slice, JC1 folded like a wet noddle…(2-12) 2nd rd…

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 30th, 2012
12:43 am

Rod from College Park,

Thanks for checkin’ ‘em. They don’t know a true baller from a hole in their heads. They will miss Jamal Crawford when the playoffs kick in; trust me.

Rod from College Park

January 30th, 2012
12:43 am

“Give me a guy who I can count on to consistently score around 15 points a game every night . . than a guy who scores 23 one night, and 7 the next night, to score those same 15 points a game.
Nobody in ATL is crying over the loss of Jamal anymore, now that we see that we actually have a 5 man bench, instead of a 1 or 2 man bench.” Northcyde

So you basically want Marvin Williams instead of Jamal Crawford. No wonder you can’t win a fantasy game. You would never win a real one. The 5 man bench is a management decision based on money, has nothing to do with players. The bench should include Jamal. A real point guard with Jamal and TMac would be deadly, but you think Willie Green is better than Jamal. Willie Green has not seen a double team since high school either. There is a reason for that. I like Willie Green, and was one of the only people speaking highly of him and Pargo when we first signed them. Get out of the fantasy world you are in, and please look at the games.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
12:46 am

We need D12! D12 is built for a Championship run.. All NBA is built for the regular season….

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
12:51 am

I know it kills you to give the dude props Rod. I feel your pain. I was the same way toward Jamal Crawford.

The difference is that when he DID play well, I gave the dude his props. Why can’t you do the same?

And Marvin has been consistently good for the most part, for the amount of minutes he’s playing. He’s maybe had only 3 or 4 ‘no show’ type of games. In the rest of the games, he was either solid or damn good. It’s now up to Drew to keep playing Marvin when he’s playing well, instead of opting to play T-mac by default.

Since his back surgery, he’s been a different player. A more consistent player on both ends of the floor. And a much better rebounder.

Can’t you give him credit for that Rod? Or will you melt like the Wicked Witch of the West if you did?

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 30th, 2012
12:56 am

Slimjr,

Get your facts straight, homie. Jamal played in eight [8] second round playoff games for the Hawks. That was four games vs. Orlando and four games vs. Chicago. The Hawks went 2-8 in the second round of the 2010 and 2011 playoffs [combined] while Jamal Crawford was playing for the Hawks. Read my post @ 11:35pm to see Jamal’s second round playoff performances with the Hawks. Jamal did not play for the Hawks in the 2009 playoffs. The Cavs swept the Hawks in the second round 2009 playoffs; Jamal was not on the [Hawks] team during that 2009 playoff. Jamal Crawford played for Golden State in 2008-2009. Crawford signed with the Hawks in the summer of 2009.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
12:59 am

Wall and Irving are both really good scorers, and are both major works in progress when it comes to understanding how to run a team. To be honest I would put Teague ahead of either of them in terms of playing the point guard position at this point, and Teague has plenty of room for improvement there himself.

Rod from College Park

January 30th, 2012
1:02 am

“Too bad Jamal folded like no other Hawk in history in those final 2 Bulls games. Had he just shown up in Game 5, when we had a chance to steal a game in Chicago, we may win Game 6.

But he was a complete no-show in both of those games” northcyde

Jamal was the reason we were in the second round. Not Hinrich, and not the 20 million dollar man. Jamal was the leading scorer in that series. The 20 million dollar man, Josh and All star AL could not do it without Jamal. The 20 million dollar man and Al Horford are the reason we lost the Chicago series. Neither guy showed up, and both are All stars and expected to raise there level of play. Again northcyde, please watch the games, and stop looking at stats. If you watched the Chicago series, especially the last two games that you speak of, Horford was a no show, Joe stunk, Josh played ok, Teague was great, and Jamal was the main focus of the best defense in the league. Please let me not fail to mention that the great Marvin Williams had his invisibility cloak on in the playoffs as usual. I like our team as constructed in the regular season, but if you think we will win in the playoffs because of Willie Green, Radmo, Marvin Williams,and Ivan, you obviously have not watched many playoff games.

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
1:02 am

Rod . . . a real PG can’t play alongside Jamal, because Jamal needs the ball in his hands. That’s been that dude’s history. That’s why he’s never stuck anywhere he’s gone to. That’s why until he came to us, he NEVER even made the playoffs.

That’s why Jamal is a career 41% FG shooter. That’s why Jamal is a career 35% three point shooter.

He’s a guy that is extremely talented, that takes such bad shots, that his talent is diminished by his inconsistency. That’s why he’s shooting 36% FG this season. His shot selection has been terrible in Portland. He put up a garbage game against us, because of bad shot selection.

Jamal could be an absolute deadly midrange shooter. But he loved the 3-ball so much, that he just has to jack one up. It’s like crack to him, much like how Josh Smith can’t lay off of taking jumpers.

If Marvin could consistently give me around 15 ppg, without much fluctuation from that average ( 18, 15, 12, 17, 13, 20, 14, etc ) . . . hell yeah I’d take Marvin over Jamal, who would give me ( 25, 7, 16, 21, 5, 6, 19, 9, etc ).

LOL @ you taking this personal. This kills you to see him ball doesn’t it? Just when everybody had all but given up on Marvin, he’s starting to play consistent basketball this season. Hopefully Drew will reward him with the minutes he deserves now.

Rod from College Park

January 30th, 2012
1:13 am

Give-us us free [Amistad] ,

“Thanks for checkin’ ‘em. They don’t know a true baller from a hole in their heads. They will miss Jamal Crawford when the playoffs kick in; trust me.”

Yeah these clowns never played a game in their life. Marvin has 3 good games, and he is better than Josh. Don’t take 6 years worth of history in to account. They no nothing about players that command double teams, and teams focusing defensive efforts to stop one guy. As I stated the guys they cheer for have not ever seen double teams in their NBA careers. Unless TMac steps up his offensive production, which I think he can, the Hawks won’t get out of the second round, and maybe not the first. We will see once the playoffs start.

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 30th, 2012
1:15 am

northcyde,

While complimenting Joe Johnson and Kirk Hinrich, I hope you realize in that first round of the 2011 playoff series vs. Orlando, Jamal Crawford averaged 20.8ppg OFF THE FREAKIN’ BENCH. In Games 1, 2, 3 and 4, Jamal scored 23, 25, 23 and 25 points, respectively, OFF THE FREAKIN’ BENCH. You do realize that no player has scored 20+ points in four consecutive playoff games OFF THE FREAKIN’ BENCH since the 1991 playoffs when Kevin McHale performed this feat [accomplishment] for the Boston Celtics. Jamal was the MVP of that Orlando vs. Atlanta series and Jamal accomplished this while coming OFF THE FREAKIN’ BENCH.

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
1:19 am

Rod . . the Hawks didn’t win a game in the Orlando series, unless the 20 million dollar man scored 20 points in a game. That’s a fact.

As for double teams, did Jamal EVER get doubled in the Orlando series? He gets credit for balling in the first 4 games of that series. No doubt on that. We definitely needed his scoring to beat Orlando.

But we also needed him in the Chicago series. And for the most part, he was a no-show in that series after Game 1.

The Kirk Hinrich injury may have been a game changer for this franchise. It finally gave full control of the PG spot to Teague. And by him balling the way he did in that series, it made Jamal completely expendable.

We are so much more efficient of a team ( especially on defense ) that it isn’t even funny. Maybe we can get an ATL vs Portland NBA Final, so that Jamal can show everybody just how good and clutch he really is.

LOL . . too bad vava isn’t on the blog right now.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
1:23 am

JC1 is one dimensional…..My 2 guard has got to D up…

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
1:24 am

2-8…..crickets man…………….

Hawks Fan Down Under

January 30th, 2012
1:36 am

Good win tonight but I still get frustrated with Drew’s subs. At the start of the third Josh takes a dumb J and airballs. Shoulda benched him right away. Next play phase Josh gives up a stupid offensive foul. Just bench him already! No wonder Josh has no self discipline, he can do almost anything he wants out there and Drew lets him. He went on to take about 4-5 J’s in the third hitting just 1.

It also feels like he’s subbing based on rep and not the actual game. Late in the third Joe couldn’t hit the side of a barn. Why not just sub Kirk in for Joe? Or Willie? Also he then subs out Marvin for T-Mac. Crazy. Marvin was playing really well and Joe wasnt. Why not play T-mac at the 2? Drew is so inflexible it’s painful!

His dumb subs are gonna cost us in the playoffs, just like last year….no doubt.

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
1:36 am

Give us free . . . there is more than one round in the playoffs. The Hawks problem isn’t getting out of the 1st round, it’s getting out of the 2nd round.

And let’s REALLY keep it real. The reason why we beat Orlando, has everything to do with their shooters shooting the ball like garbage. The strategy of letting Dwight go one on one against our bigs, combined with staying at home on their shooters, was the real reason why we won that series.

I mean, if you want to jump up and down and want me to give Jamal props in the Orlando series, I don’t have a problem with that. But where was he in the majority of the Chicago series? That’s where we REALLY needed that dude. He went 3 – 19 FG in the final 2 games of that series.

We needed him desperately when Teague and ISO were trying hard as they can to keep the Hawks in Game 5. Where was he?

When Teague went down in Game 6, where was he?

Ya’ll can stay in love with that streaky azz shooter if you want to. He’s right where he belongs . . . away from Atlanta. Thank God Jeff Teague proved that he could finally be a baller. Because if he didn’t, the Hawks would’ve done something drastic, and re-signed Jamal for about 2 – 3 years, and stunted Teague’s growth as a player.

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 30th, 2012
1:36 am

northcyde and Slimjr,

If Joe Johnson’s bottled up, who are you going to depend on to make a clutch basket? Willie Green or Marvin Williams? Who are you going to depend on to make a clutch free throw? Josh Smith or Jeff Teague? You can not discount the intangibles Jamal Crawford brings to the game and one of those intangibles is clutch play, making a clutch bucket and/or pressure shot.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
1:45 am

” a real PG can’t play alongside Jamal, because Jamal needs the ball in his hands. That’s been that dude’s history.”

That’s been the dude’s history because he’s played in dysfunctional offenses for most of his career. Amare looks an awful lot like a guy who needs the ball in his hands right now, and yet when he was in Phoenix he was a shining star on one of the most unselfish offenses the league has seen in years. These things are very much a function of team context.

I distinctly remember that last year Jamal was a beast at coming off screens and catching and shooting, the way Ray Allen does in Boston, and the way Joe often does here which works so well for him. With Jamal the added bonus is that his handles and quickness are so good that he can catch it and drive as well, which he often did when the Hawks ran that play with good results. The problem was that the Hawks were so bad at consistently executing the offense that they spent most of Jamal’s possessions giving him the ball and clearing out Woody-style instead of running the play for him — in other words, the same mistake they too often make with Joe.

Yes, the Hawks are better with four or five quality players coming off the bench than they were with one. I noticed this last year, which is why I spent about three months posting trades from the trade machine that would send Jamal away for multiple players (including one trade that would have brought T-Mac here from Detroit). But it’s pretty shortsighted to diminish Jamal’s ability and contributions as a result. If he was inefficient it’s because his role was expanded beyond what it should have been. But to compare Willie Green to him after a couple of games is nonsense. Give Willie Green the offensive responsibility Jamal had last year and he wouldn’t come anywhere close. He doesn’t have that level of talent. Keep in mind that nearly all the points he has scored this year have come against other teams’ second units.

Rod from College Park

January 30th, 2012
1:47 am

“Rod . . . a real PG can’t play alongside Jamal, because Jamal needs the ball in his hands. That’s been that dude’s history. That’s why he’s never stuck anywhere he’s gone to. That’s why until he came to us, he NEVER even made the playoffs.”

He never made the playoffs because he played for the Bulls when they started rebuilding, then went to the Knicks when they were rebuilding, and then went to Golden State in rebuilding mode. That is the reason he never made the playoffs He had no problems playing along side Bibby, the first year he came to the Hawks. Please name me a real point guard that played for the Knicks, Golden State, or Chicago during Jamal’s time with those teams.

“He’s a guy that is extremely talented, that takes such bad shots, that his talent is diminished by his inconsistency. That’s why he’s shooting 36% FG this season. His shot selection has been terrible in Portland. He put up a garbage game against us, because of bad shot selection.”

You do realize that his teammates, as well as his coach told him to keep shooting. Same thing both coaches here told him to do also. I wonder why? I guess he should not listen to guys that respect his game, and the people that pay him, and listen to a guy who plays fantasy basketball.

“If Marvin could consistently give me around 15 ppg, without much fluctuation from that average ( 18, 15, 12, 17, 13, 20, 14, etc ) . . . hell yeah I’d take Marvin over Jamal, who would give me ( 25, 7, 16, 21, 5, 6, 19, 9, etc ).

LOL @ you taking this personal. This kills you to see him ball doesn’t it? Just when everybody had all but given up on Marvin, he’s starting to play consistent basketball this season. Hopefully Drew will reward him with the minutes he deserves now.”

The key word in your statements is CONSISTENT. The only thing CONSISTENT about Marvin is that he is INCONSISTENT. He has never been CONSISTENT in a 6 year career, and has been a total non factor in the playoffs. I am a Hawks fan. Born and raised in the A. If the guy played well on a CONSISTENT basis, I would not talk about him as much. 2 games, against two of the worst teams in the NBA, don’t change my mind about his game. HE is averaging 10.4 ppg, while shooting 42% from the field for the year. Those are not made up stats, or per 36 minute stats, those are the numbers. Looks like the same guy to me.

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 30th, 2012
1:48 am

Rod from College Park,

Thanks for the help man. At first, I thought I was “singing a solo” defending Jamal Crawford. With you, we made it a duet [no homo]. Now, if we can just get at least five more bloggers defending Jamal, we could have a decent “chorus.” LOL

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 30th, 2012
1:54 am

Najeh Davenpoop,

Your post @ 1:45am was completely objective and fair. Thank you sir.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
1:55 am

“where was he in the majority of the Chicago series? ”

The bigger problem in the Chicago series was that he was matched up on Rose for most of his minutes, which is a horrible mismatch and routinely led to Rose shredding the Hawks’ D.

If they had done after the trade deadline last year what they should have been doing all along — starting Teague at PG, bringing Kirk and Jamal off the bench together with Jamal playing the 2 exclusively — Jamal’s defensive shortcomings wouldn’t have killed the Hawks nearly as much, and he would have gotten the ball in scoring position much more frequently, minimizing the number of bad shots taken. Same thing would have happened for Joe, for that matter.

I don’t miss Jamal with the bench we have now, but it’s not like last year’s Hawks would have been better without him, and it isn’t his fault he wasn’t used correctly.

Rod from College Park

January 30th, 2012
2:00 am

“As for double teams, did Jamal EVER get doubled in the Orlando series? He gets credit for balling in the first 4 games of that series. No doubt on that. We definitely needed his scoring to beat Orlando.

But we also needed him in the Chicago series. And for the most part, he was a no-show in that series after Game 1.”

Are you slow, or can you not read. Orlando did not double him, and that’s why they lost. Chicago realized the mistake Orlando made, and they made after game one, and started doubling. From that point on Jamal struggled. Just to let you know, that is the whole purpose of a double team. Willie Green or Marvin Williams never get doubled. Notice what your favorite player, the 20 million dollar man does when he gets doubled. The ball usually ends up in Josh’s hand with the clock running down for a three. That is why Tom Thib is considered a good coach, because he did not let the two best players on the Hawks beat him. Good coaching. Read Najeh’s post above. Maybe you need someone else to explain it to you.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
2:01 am

In other news, the Bulls want Przybilla, even though he would get about 5 minutes per game playing behind Noah and Asik. Pretty sure they are trying to get him just to keep him out of the hands of other Eastern Conference contenders.

Better act quickly Sund.

GET A DAMN BIG MAN

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
2:09 am

Najeh . . . didn’t you co-sign the Willie Green to Flip Murray comparison earlier in this thread? Or was that someone else?

Flip, a guy off the street, basically did the same thing that Jamal did, with virtually the same sort of efficiency. Jamal’s role in ATL is basically the same role that Flip had . . the instant offense scorer off the bench.

Jamal’s worth to a team is that he has the ability to score in bunches, and make extremely difficult shots . . . when he’s hot. When he’s cold, he shouldn’t even be on the floor.

Jamal’s last 13 games with Portland, and his scoring numbers

4
9
24
5
11
5
22
10
8
26
15
16
9

In those 13 games, he shot 40% FG or greater only 3 times. And the 22 point game was against us, a game in which he had to get hot in the 4th quarter, after being ice cold for the vast majority of the game, just to get to 22 points on 36% shooting.

But that’s what people like I guess . . . a hot and cold player who you don’t have any idea which player is going to show up.

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
2:20 am

Najeh . . whose fault is it that Jamal can’t play defense . . . or never made a commitment to play defense?

We’re talking about a dude who is quick as a cat when he has the ball on offense, but he’s a complete liability on defense? That’s his fault. And that’s the coach’s fault for giving Jamal extended minutes when he’s obviously hurting the team on the defensive end.

I mean seriously. Nate Robinson plays that same exact role in Golden St, and probably could’ve done the same thing Jamal did here. If Nate was given the green light to take 15 shots a game, he could’ve put up Jamal Crawford numbers, seeing that he’s a slightly better shooter career wise than Jamal.

northcyde

January 30th, 2012
2:20 am

That’s my last post. Bedtime for me.

All hail Marvin

(( deuces ))

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
2:28 am

“Flip, a guy off the street, basically did the same thing that Jamal did, with virtually the same sort of efficiency.”

Yes, I co-signed the Willie Green to Flip comparison earlier. With that said, not all gunners are created equal. There is really only one difference between the 47-win 2008-09 Hawks, and the 53-win 2009-10 Hawks — Flip Murray gets replaced with Jamal. Other than that, it’s the same basic system on offense and defense, same coach, same core players, same rotational players, same everything.

It’s fair to say Jamal and Flip (or Jamal and Willie Green) have similar strengths and weaknesses, but this is a little like saying Jeff Teague and Derrick Rose have similar strengths and weaknesses, or like saying Josh is the closest thing in the league to LeBron (actual quote by Michael Gearon). That doesn’t mean one guy can’t be significantly better at those strengths than the other guy.

Flip is instant offense. Willie Green is instant offense. Jamal is probably the best instant offense there is. That difference may not be worth $9 million more per year than Flip on the salary cap, but it was worth most of that 6 win increase from 2009 to 2010.

“Jamal’s worth to a team is that he has the ability to score in bunches, and make extremely difficult shots . . . when he’s hot. ”

He can also make much easier shots, get in the lane, get fouled, etc. Teams rely on his ability to make difficult shots as a crutch. That doesn’t mean that’s the only thing he can do.

“When he’s cold, he shouldn’t even be on the floor.”

Because he is a horrible defender, I agree. But if you are saying this from a purely offensive-minded standpoint, you could say this about pretty much anyone. If Joe was a bad defender and he was having one of his 1/9 shooting games like the first half against Detroit, would he still be justified in shooting his way out of it, as you often want him to do?

Rod from College Park

January 30th, 2012
2:33 am

“Flip, a guy off the street, basically did the same thing that Jamal did, with virtually the same sort of efficiency. Jamal’s role in ATL is basically the same role that Flip had . . the instant offense scorer off the bench.”

For a guy who always post made up stats, it’s amazing that you can’t look the stats up. Jamal when he came to the Hawks averaged 6 more ppg, shot the same percentage from the field, better from 3. Don’t know where this Flip was good as Jamal myth came from. Jamal was a much better offensive player. 12 ppg, and 18 ppg per year is a huge difference. It’s the difference between Marvin Williams Williams, and Joe Johnson.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
2:33 am

“whose fault is it that Jamal can’t play defense . . . or never made a commitment to play defense?”

You are not going to get an argument from me regarding his defense. His D sucked, and watching the Hawks try to get by in crunch time with him and Bibby in the back court together was nauseating. Josh Smith deserved DPOY votes just for having to compensate for those two every game in the 4th quarter. I am only saying that you are not giving him the appropriate amount of credit by saying Willie Green (or Flip Murray or most of the other instant offense players in the league) could do what he does on offense.

Lil’ Nate may very well have put up similar numbers as Jamal in the same role, because he is nearly as talented and maybe more so. What he lacks in ball handling ability compared to Jamal, he makes up for with his athleticism. Can’t make it into the league at his height without having extraordinary talent. That still doesn’t mean Willie Green could do the same thing. It just means that Nate is on Jamal’s level talent-wise, while Willie and Flip are still several notches below.

SoullRenaissance

January 30th, 2012
2:34 am

Much luv to Jamal – but in the present and moving onto the future we need a BIG. Kaman, Superman 2.0, idk – we just need a legit starting BIG. Where’s the beef?

Rod from College Park

January 30th, 2012
2:46 am

“We’re talking about a dude who is quick as a cat when he has the ball on offense, but he’s a complete liability on defense? That’s his fault. And that’s the coach’s fault for giving Jamal extended minutes when he’s obviously hurting the team on the defensive end.

I mean seriously. Nate Robinson plays that same exact role in Golden St, and probably could’ve done the same thing Jamal did here. If Nate was given the green light to take 15 shots a game, he could’ve put up Jamal Crawford numbers, seeing that he’s a slightly better shooter career wise than Jamal.”

Jamal is a bad defender when he is asked to check smaller quicker point guards. Jamal is not a point guard anymore. He is 6′5. He is too big to play point, but too small to defend 2’s like Joe and Kobe especially in the post. Nate is a point guard, and is small enough and quick enough to stay in front of point guards. Nate was not here, so you don’t know what he would have done. This is not fantasy sports, it’s real.

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2012
3:26 am

Jamal was the best pure scorer in Atlanta since Isaiah Rider. But even though he was a pure scorer, he wasn’t what you would describe a winner. And when you consider his salary was more than the entire second unit combined, he’s not worth it. Jamal, Stephen Jackson, Isaiah Rider, Mitch Richmond, and others were all great scorers, but never winners. And they never improved the play of anyone else on their teams.

Rusty

January 30th, 2012
3:30 am

Nortcyde jasmal is a good ball player who was put in a pg slot which he wasn’t.at least when he went iso he didn’t dribble for 10sec & continually disrupt our whole offense like Joe often does.joe is a streak shooter who can shoot you out of the game. Joe would be better if he went quicker & would let someone else set him up. I really believe he takes us out of our offense making us look bad.
LD is weak allowing him to do this.

terrell

January 30th, 2012
5:35 am

Teague sprains his ankle, no time missed. Marvin sprains his ankle and he misses x amount of games. Soft azz.

Dawg

January 30th, 2012
5:42 am

Who cares about Jamal? We have a good team and we are talking about Jamal.

terrell

January 30th, 2012
6:38 am

8-2 without Al.

terrell

January 30th, 2012
6:49 am

Probably no better than 8-2 with him. Just sayin. Are we a better team WITH Al? Yeah slightly.(If Zaza could catch a pass maybe not) Hell, I actually like what Zaza gives us at center when he starts, as opposed to the NEW Al Horford. Now dont get me wrong, I’d take “Boss” over Zaza anyday. But give me Zaza over that hang out on the perimeter and shoot fadeaway’s, and I ‘m too soft to play center guy.

Aint thats some Chit ?

January 30th, 2012
7:45 am

“70% of our fans secretly root against Marvin”

Well a new secret poll at 99% says you are an idiot who submits statements as fact that cant be proved. The Poll goes further to most people thinks you are a hater and since you hate you are trying to infect others with your hate disease. More, its willfully ignorant haters like you that keep the Hawks divided. One other significant note, the poll said that most (99.8) wish that youd go root for the other team and get the hell out of the blog site.

Just Joe

January 30th, 2012
7:48 am

Hawks: 3 & 6 against teams with better than .500 record…..12 & 0 against teams under .500.

Have I mentioned that we need a big man?

Vets: C. Kaman, E. Okafor, B. Miller, M. Okur, B. Wallace, A. Biedrins, etc…
Youngsters: R. Lopez, JJ Hickson, J. Hill, J. Thompson, etc…

phil

January 30th, 2012
7:49 am

Rev in Tampa
January 29th, 2012
10:32 pm

“Dwight Howard says he’ll play wherever God wants him to play.”

I didn’t know Dwight was a Calvinist:
http://www.monergism.com/directory/link_category/Reformed-Theology/Sovereignty-of-God/
In case you are wondering; I am a Calvinist in my theology and believe everything contained in the link above.

I wasn’t wondering and could care less.

But thanks for sharing!

phil

January 30th, 2012
7:50 am

Out in round two….

Enjoy it while we can.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
8:20 am

” I still get frustrated with Drew’s subs. At the start of the third Josh takes a dumb J and airballs. Shoulda benched him right away. Next play phase Josh gives up a stupid offensive foul. Just bench him already! No wonder Josh has no self discipline, he can do almost anything he wants out there and Drew lets him. He went on to take about 4-5 J’s in the third hitting just 1.

It also feels like he’s subbing based on rep and not the actual game. Late in the third Joe couldn’t hit the side of a barn. Why not just sub Kirk in for Joe? Or Willie? Also he then subs out Marvin for T-Mac. Crazy. Marvin was playing really well and Joe wasnt. Why not play T-mac at the 2? Drew is so inflexible it’s painful!

His dumb subs are gonna cost us in the playoffs, just like last year….no doubt.” Co-sign!

Larry=Cox, without the big 4(Justice,Smotz,Glavin,&Maddux) 1995 Champs!

There is a good reason why we’re 3-6 against the winners and it starts with Larry..His lack of balls to bench the brick layer is costly at times! Josh is important to this team but playoff teams exploit your weakness big time..Know your personnel!

2-12 in the second rd. says it all…Absolutely getting crushed..Sorta like those Fal-cons against the winners? Hmmmmmm…..

vava74

January 30th, 2012
8:34 am

I agree that LD is severely out coached game in and game out.

Both the offense and the defense have improved and he seems to have everyone reasonably motivated and knowing their roles.

But is the in game adjustments and inability to think of other line ups than his plan A that mark LD’s visible inefficiency.

Ray

January 30th, 2012
8:39 am

Okay so it’s the next morning decided to look at the +/- for our players and can tell these things are very inaccurate when you see Willie Green had those 16 points and got a -5 then on the flip side you see Josh Smith with +17 he did good on Rebounding and Blocking I will not discount that, but I’m just saying in short you basically have to take these things with a grain of salt.

Cause it makes certain players look better or worse then what they truly are.

[...] Jeff Teague will start at point guard for the Hawks tonight against the Hornets. Teague said he felt… “Jeff is a go,” coach Larry Drew said before the game. “He was moving around on it pretty good yesterday. He hasn’t mentioned that it is bothering him to the point that we have to limit him. We’ll keep an eye on him. Right now, he is a full go.” Atlanta Journal-Constitution Atlanta Hawks, Jeff Teague  [...]

Spyro

January 30th, 2012
9:16 am

@Ray: +/- for a single game really is worthless. Doesn’t really tell you anything about performance.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
9:20 am

“His dumb subs are gonna cost us in the playoffs, just like last year….no doubt.” – Hawks Fan Down Under

MARK IT DOWN ON YOUR CALENDAR HAWKS FANS.

“His lack of balls to bench the brick layer is costly at times!” – Slimjr

Slimjr you gotta understand the Hawks are in the exact same position Cleveland was in with LeBron’s impending free agency. Unfortunately the Hawks organization is repeating Cleveland’s mistakes by trying to coddle Josh instead of demanding accountability and benching him if he doesn’t play the right way.

This game against Toronto will be really interesting because of the coaching matchup. Casey was almost certainly Sund’s choice, but the ASG overruled Sund and hired LD instead. Why? Because LD had an existing relationship with all the players. Remember, Joe was the only rotation player NOT present at LD’s introductory press conference and he was in contract negotiations at the time.

The hiring of LD has parallels to the hiring of Bob Weiss all those years ago. Dominique was tired of Fratello telling him he had to play defense. He wanted a “players coach” who would let him exert all his efforts padding his individual offensive stats and not call him to account when the team failed.

LD has his job because the ASG is scared sh!tless that Josh is going to sign elsewhere after next season. You simply won’t see Josh getting benched or held accountable by LD any time soon. Won’t it be embarrassing for LD if the Hawks lose in Toronto with Bargnani out though?

Bigman needed

January 30th, 2012
9:44 am

UPDATE: The Times-Picayune reports five teams have contacted general manager Dell Demps regarding Kaman since it was announced Friday that the center is on the block.

According to the newspaper, Houston and San Antonio were two of the five teams.

Kaman has played his last game for New Orleans.

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
9:47 am

“Hawks: 3 & 6 against teams with better than .500 record…..12 & 0 against teams under .500.”-Just Joe

I bet that describes the top teams in the league…

The Bulls have lost to: the Hawks, Heat, Grizzles and the Pacers…4 of 5 losses to good teams.

Give-us us free [Amistad]

January 30th, 2012
10:04 am

Slimjr,

“Get your facts straight, homie. Jamal played in eight [8] second round playoff games for the Hawks. That was four games vs. Orlando and four games vs. Chicago. The Hawks went 2-8 in the second round of the 2010 and 2011 playoffs [combined] while Jamal Crawford was playing for the Hawks.”

Correction: Jamal Crawford played in ten [10] second round playoff games during his tenure with the Hawks.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
10:09 am

@Buddy, interesting analysis Sir! Very interesting indeed…You have a gift at connecting the dots for sure!

KCG

January 30th, 2012
10:18 am

Terrell lets not get carried away. We were looking like a dominant team with Al winning big against the 2 best teams in the East and all of our losses were competitve. We are still looking good without Al but got handled by the two other good teams in the East in Indiana and Philly. We also lost big to San Antonia without Ginobli. Yes, the Hawks have matured and our playing good without Al but are still a better team with him.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
10:30 am

@Give us, that was some serious barbershop debating last night! lol

I wish JC1 much success in his Portland Stint!

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
10:33 am

We need a Quality Big Yesterday!!!

Did SLB take a sabbatical? Or did he turn into JoeMama? lol

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
10:35 am

if teague could have played this well last year, then how could he be a MIP candidate if he hasn’t improved year-over-year? It seems like you either have to believe thathe actually got better during the prolonged off-season 9as he himself suggested) or you stay devoted to the theory that the last 14 months of coaching and practice were meaningless toward his development and he would have had the identical stats in November, 2010 that he had in January , 2012. I don’t see how both can be true. Since I am hopeful that he will be better 14 months from now than he is now, I am going with the notion that he is continuing to improve.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
10:39 am

Rufus, I believe you have to be at or over .500 to show that you have improved against better teams. We should be a top East team.

Are we in discussions with available big men? Are we looking on the min vet pile? Sund’s track record has a lot to be desired.

Still wondering if we are in the Kaman talks…we should be one of the better options for Demps/Stern. That MC interview with Sund about always matching up with someone else, instead of them matching up against us just boggles the mind. Sund must like the underdog state we always seem to have ourselves in.

vava74

January 30th, 2012
10:54 am

KevinM,

NO is reportedly wanting 3 things for Kaman:

1st round pick, an expiring deal and a young talent (with quality).

Our 1st round pick will not be high, the only expiring we have is Hinrich and who do you qualify as young talent with quality in our roster? Marvin? HAH!

There are other teams with better packages out there. WAY BETTER PACKAGES.

vava74

January 30th, 2012
11:07 am

Keith Benson’s first D-League line:

K. Benson C 33:41 FG12-16 3FG0-0 FT0-1 ± -9 Oreb4 Dreb3 Treb7 Ass0 To5 Stl0 Fl5 Bk0 Bag0 Pts24

Mike

January 30th, 2012
11:14 am

vava74,

I swear that Hornets wants alot of things and they suck. They have LAC 1st round, their 1st rounder and try to get another one. I dont think the Hawks needs to give up that much for him. I will go ahead D12 with a package like that.

Melvin

January 30th, 2012
11:38 am

Vava74,

I doubt if the Hornets get that much for Kaman. The whole league knows their backs are against the wall after they told Kaman to stay home whilel he collects checks that will total $14mil this season. Their askings price may be high but I doubt they will get everything they are asking for. Not too many teams that can send them $14 mil worth of expiring contracts, young players and a high draft pick. I think the teams with the most interest are contenders so their 1st rd pick more than likely will be low.

boots75

January 30th, 2012
11:43 am

Still seeing too much ISO JOE. Thought Drew had installed a motion offense. When the ball swings to Joe, and the double teams come, the offense stalls while he makes his move. Leads to a lot of forced shots, and tends to bog down the entire offense until he warms up.

Bigman needed

January 30th, 2012
12:07 pm

I heard hornets are reportedly gonna buy out kaman, then he could sign wherever he wants to for vets minimum?

doc

January 30th, 2012
12:09 pm

stern did the hornets and their fan base a lot of favors or was it only to get paul to the clips to salvage that franchise when he blew up that deal, didnt he? the hornets had a trade that might have kept them competitive, have more trade pieces affordable to many, now they suck as do so many other teams in the tiered system. glad we are mid tier however it does nothing to promote the product long term or even short term to enhance turn style support. what a powerful buffoon, trying to trade a broken down 7 footer that hasnt played a complete season in years nor has he done anything worthy since he was paired with brand is ludicrous.

glad we put them out of their misery. definitely feel for their coach a good one that looks miserable on the sidelines.

Just Joe

January 30th, 2012
12:13 pm

Rufus1….actually the following teams have a break even or better record against teams with a .500 record or better (no surprises on the list):

Chicago 5-4
Miami 7-3
Indiana 4-3
Orlando 4-4
OKC 7-2
Denver 5-5
Clips 7-5
Portland 6-5
Lakers 7-7
Spurs 9-5

Philly, Dallas, Boston, Houston, Utah, and Cleveland are the other current playoff teams with a losing record against winning teams.

Which group do the Hawks belong in? With the Contenders or the Pretenders?

We need another big man.

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
12:31 pm

Just Joe

If the Spurs, Magic, Portland, Lakers, Clippers and Pacers are in group A, then the Hawks definately belong in GROUP A(Contenders)

W.R. Terrell

January 30th, 2012
12:31 pm

The HAWKS won a game that they should have, even with the 3/10 shooting of Josh. The 4 fouls on Josh saved us because Ivan came in and played defense and played within himself. No wild ass shots. LD has to sit him because Josh has no clue. The HAWKS have a serious schedule starting with Philly and all the teams will bait Josh to shoot and his intelligence will be suckered on in to do so. The guy is a premodonna and his best years are gone. Marvin is beginning to be another option and Smith will get jealous an start launching like he did last night. He needs to be benched, the HAWKS flow much better when Josh is not on the floor.

Ken Strickland

January 30th, 2012
12:32 pm

AMISTAD-You seem to be doing a lot of discounting of your own when it comes to Jamal. You discount his horrible DEF, his need to dominate the ball, demand clearouts, and take a high number of shots to get his pts. In last yrs playoffs, he had an outstanding series against the Magic, and we won in 6gms. Against the Bulls, they tightened up their DEF, especially against him, and even though he averaged over 30MPG, he averaged fewer than 9PPG in our 6gm elimination.

So why worry about what we’ll do without him in this yrs playoffs when teams tighten up their DEF? It certainly won’t be any worse or any different than it was in last yrs playoff series with him? Here’s an example of why we’re better off without him, and with our current bench.
BENCH(JAMAL)
Against Orlando our bench scored:
GM1-27(23)W
GM2-31(25)L
GM3-29(23)W
GM4-29(25)W
GM5-34(8)L
GM6-30(19)W
This shows that we were almost totally dependent upon him scoring enough pts to overcome his serious DEF liabilities. When he wasn’t scoring, he ceased to be a DEF liability and became a TOTAL LIABILITY. TMac and WGreen’s combined stats virtually equal or exceed Jamal’s, and both provide the DEF we never got from Jamal. The also combine for more RPG and APG than Jamal. And as an added bonus, they give us 2 potential clutch shooters instead of 1. TMAC(WGREEN)-PPG 6.8(6.5), RPG 3.4(1.5), APG-2.5(.8).

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 30th, 2012
12:34 pm

Was just looking at last nights box score and what stood out to me was the +/- numbers. They were stout up and down the column. The scoring was spread thin but, evenly up and down the column.

Besides The Black Ninja and Big Willie, it seems like The Replacements all chipped in sans, Vlad. Even Twin with no points had 5 rebounds, a block, a steal and, three dimes.

There was a lot of stat stuffing going on all over the place. Truly a total team effort in every sense of the word.

Nice. Raise your hand if you LIKE hawks basketball.

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
12:35 pm

Just Joe

How many game on the road have those “contenders” won?..Because the Spurs have only won 2 games on the road…And I don’t consider the Clippers/Lakers games, on the road.

TMACfan

January 30th, 2012
12:37 pm

I think we need to get the white mamba to win a championship. LOL

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 30th, 2012
12:48 pm

Is Kevin Love The White Mamba? If not, I can’t imagine who is? H E L L O … Love ain’t going no where – period! A GM who trades him is certifiable!

Blodus

January 30th, 2012
12:48 pm

Trade Marvin Williams and 2nd round pick for Chris Kaman.

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
12:52 pm

Loses on the road to good teams..

5 of the 6 losses the Hawks have are on the road to Above .500 teams.. and we have the 3rd best record in the eastern conf…We also the only team to have beaten the Heat and the Bulls this year.

I don’t understand the RULES OF BEING A CONTENDER, so could someone please give me an OUTLINE of the CRITERIA.

morehouse man

January 30th, 2012
12:52 pm

jj almost the hornets back into the game last night

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 30th, 2012
12:55 pm

Does anyone think our Jeff Teague has a personality and demeanor reminiscent of Derrick Rose’s?

If The Black Ninja takes it up a notch, I see MVP written all over him. Their games are identical to me, except Jeff has a better outside shot and a better floater.

I’m just saying.

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
12:59 pm

drmaryb.[*_*].

Teague won’t get the MVP because we have too many players TRYING to be a STARS….But his game is starting to EXPLODE and it is a thing of beauty.

vava74

January 30th, 2012
1:05 pm

drmaryb,

Rose has a killer instinct and a confidence in his game that Teague (still) lacks.

Also, Rose was drafted to be the leader of the team and he got that status at the onset, whilst Teague was supposed to be #4 or 5 in the pecking order (within the starting 5) coming into this season which makes it difficult for him to play HIS game and, like you say, his game is to dominate the offense.

Right now I have absolutely no doubt that Teague should be already ahead of Al and Josh in shot opportunities and at his discretion.

He will never be a play maker like Rubio, but his offense, if given free reign, will open up everyone else and he will dish voluntarily.

Where Teague gets the nod over Rose, by a mile, is on D (when he isn’t coasting, which is one of his current issues).

vava74

January 30th, 2012
1:09 pm

No comments on Benson’s line on his first start in the D-League??

vava74

January 30th, 2012
1:10 pm

“…his game is to dominate the offense LIKE ROSE.”

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
1:22 pm

“if teague could have played this well last year, then how could he be a MIP candidate if he hasn’t improved year-over-year?”

MIP is a stats-based award. Nearly every year, it is won by someone who produced bigger numbers due to extra playing time. Kevin Love won it last year, for example, primarily because he played 8 more minutes per game.

Yes, Teague would have put up the same numbers if he had played last year. Yes, he would have improved at a faster rate had he been playing instead of buried on the bench. No, burying your young players on the bench is never a good development strategy. Ask Darko.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
1:26 pm

“No comments on Benson’s line on his first start in the D-League??”

1 free throw attempt, 0 blocks, and 5 turnovers?

The Hawks don’t need scoring from their backup big man. They need solid defense and rebounding, preferably with the ability to protect the rim as well.

morehouse man

January 30th, 2012
1:38 pm

drmarb i am a grad of schofield high. what about you?

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
1:48 pm

Ask Darko? Wow. Darko, the Baseline for Under Developed Talent?

doc

January 30th, 2012
1:56 pm

teague is more rondo lite not anything like rose as a leader. wish jj were a little more like rose n that end taking responsibility.

Melvin

January 30th, 2012
2:10 pm

Astro,

Good thing Teague improved in practice during the Orlando series b/c LD would have had to play Jamal at the point in the Bulls series.

Doc,

I agree with you. Teague is more of a Rondo than Rose. Rose plays with much more power and stregthen than Teague. Teague uses his speed and quickness like a scat back (like Darren Sproles) to get to his spots where as Rose does the same while doing it more like a power runner (Adrian Peterson).

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
2:12 pm

REGRETFUL: Williams said the Hornets dropped the ball by not re-signing free agent shooting guard Willie Green, who played against New Orleans for the first time Sunday night since signing a one-year deal with the Hawks last month.

Green came off the bench and scored 16 points in the Hawks’ 94-72 rout of the Hornets in front of 14, 962 at the New Orleans Arena.

“He was somebody I was in contact with, and we were waiting for the right time,” Williams said. “If I could do it over again, I’d probably would have pressed the issue more.

“Once I realized he was going to Atlanta, we had everything set up to sign him the next day. It was crushing because he can play.”

Before accepting the Hawks’ offer, Green said he was under the impression the Hornets were going in a different direction.

“I don’t know where things fell apart,” Green said. “That’s all I can tell you about that situation. Those are my guys, Monty and Dell, but I know that’s a tough situation losing Chris Paul and David West. It was an eye-opener for everybody to see what happened, but that’s the business of the NBA.”

doc

January 30th, 2012
2:22 pm

stern has royally screwed up that franchise. it wouldnt surprise me if stern didnt have a hand in that one regarding green, too. it was to our benefit as he is a nice player i didnt know too well. hope he gets the stage a bit this year and delivers, it cant hurt his future if he does. seems like a really good guy as well.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
2:26 pm

Melvin, I’ve resolved not to question too many decisions that result in victory, therefore, I won’t question the personnel used during the Magic series. Seems pretty simple to me. If you think he is a level X player now and could have been a level X player a year ago, then isn’t that a bad thing, that 12 months later, he is still stuck at level X? And does that suggest that this time next year he’ll be at level X? If so, then the better comparison sounds like Devin Harris, a guy who never got significantly better after becoming a starter. I’m hoping that last year, he was less than level X, is now at level X and next year will be better than level X. But I’m not as focused on blaming someone because it took a whopping 2 years for him to receive consistent playing time. Poor baby.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
2:34 pm

doc, Scola, Odom and Kevin Martin would have helped them compete in the next year or two, but that core is not going to do anything more than stay firmly in the middle of the pack. He’s trying to get that team sold and get the NBA out of the ownership business. Instead of a new owner having to knock down walls, remove old carpet and replace the avocado-colored kitchen appliances, he has gone ahead and done that himself (while leaving them with 2 probable top 10 draft picks and Eric Gordon).

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
2:40 pm

Teague reminds me more of Tony Parker than Rondo or Rose, but on the defensive end I can see the Rondo comparison.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 30th, 2012
2:42 pm

Schofield High School!

“drmarb i am a grad of schofield high. what about you?” -morehouse man-
________

WOW! Morehouse Man … My Mom and Dad graduated from Martha Schofield High School in 1961. Myrtle and Eddie. Back then the school was segregated, I attended there in my 9th and 10th year. But, I graduated from Aiken High School 1981 with William “Fridge” Perry who won a Super Bowl his rookie year with Walter “Sweetness” Payton and Jim McMahon of the Chicago Bears 1986.

Have you seen Schofield High School now? It’s remodeled and looks like a college campus. Nice.

Thanks for asking morehouse man … You just took me back. Do you know, Augustus Thirlow Stephens, III? He attended Morehouse School of Medicine and is an Opthamologist in downtown Atlanta now. We graduated together and also dated in high school.

What year did you graduate HS, Morehouse Man?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
2:45 pm

” If you think he is a level X player now and could have been a level X player a year ago, then isn’t that a bad thing, that 12 months later, he is still stuck at level X?”

No, because nobody improves by sitting on the bench watching.

He was a level X player as a rookie, a level X player a year ago, and is a slightly higher than level X player right now thanks to playing in the second round series last year and starting every game this year. As he plays more, he will continue to rise from level X.

Nobody improves by sitting and watching. Your contention to the contrary is a pretty obvious attempt to justify your previously indefensible position in support of Woody and LD burying him on the bench. The last two years it was “LD/Woody is sitting him, I trust LD/Woody, so Teague must suck.” This year it’s “Teague is good, so LD must have known what he was doing by sitting him.”

The correct answer is “LD/Woody leaned on the veteran point guard as a crutch instead of playing the obviously better young player and living with the occasional mistakes.” And this weakness cost the Hawks several wins over the last two years and cost Teague valuable development time. There is no defense for the way they handled Teague. None.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
3:00 pm

Lakers looking at Ramon Sessions, which would make all my three way “Kirk to the Lakers and a 3rd team’s big man to the Hawks” trades irrelevant.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
3:00 pm

In other news, no game recap, C-Viv?

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
3:14 pm

Najeh, I’m curious why Nick Van Exel is on the payroll. I’m interested in how Clifford Ray was able to effectively teach D12 while yelling from courtside. I don’t understand why 30 NBA teams hire position coaches if the only learning takes place during game time. Seems like a gross waste of money to me. Is NVE doing his position coaching from the sideline? Was he teaching Teague how to get off a shot in the paint against taller opponents during the game against the Hornets last night? Is Marvin shooting over 45% from deep because he has used real games to improve his 3-ball shooting in the past few years? Funny, some of us have been wanting to Hawks to hire a quality big man coach for the past few seasons, when all we really needed was someone to yell louder from the bench. Maybe we should hire Roseanne Barr to yell to Josh to pass the ball to the PG on fast breaks. She definitely has a super-loud voice that can slice through the crowd noise.

No wonder Pape Sy didn’t make the team this season, he never had a chance to play in real games. I wonder why Gerald Green, Salim Stoudemire and Rashard McCants didn’t make it? Clearly, maturity was not a factor and they did more than “sit and watch”.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
3:14 pm

Are C-Viv and MC having their hands tied by their ownership group? They seem to be off course a bit lately.
Big Ray needs to get his blog back and pick up between the down time.

Any Hawks talk is good talk and don’t shut down the lines of communication AJC.

“Bigman needed

January 30th, 2012
12:07 pm
I heard hornets are reportedly gonna buy out kaman, then he could sign wherever he wants to for vets minimum?”

It would not surprise me in the least for Sund to go in this direction or no direction towards Kaman at all. He doesn’t know a potential good opp when one is thrown in his face!

“Attention NBA GMs: We want to rid ourselves of Kaman…text bigfishcommish with your best offer!” Those of you who aren’t up on texting, just send a self-addressed stamped envelope to the attention of Grand Poobah Stern and present your offer to him and insert a proposal signed by all your owners! Should you not be able to all of your owners to sign, just wait and see if our asset is waived and you can go through due process at that time.

This would not be a reach with the management group.

Melvin

January 30th, 2012
3:17 pm

Najeh,

Co-sign your 2:45 post in response to Astro.

Astro,

If we could have gotten his level X play prior to the trade deadline then maybe we could have traded for a quality big instead of Hinrich (whom I like).

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
3:19 pm

“No wonder Pape Sy didn’t make the team this season, he never had a chance to play in real games. I wonder why Gerald Green, Salim Stoudemire and Rashard McCants didn’t make it? Clearly, maturity was not a factor and they did more than “sit and watch”.”

You must have a giant one of these in your front yard.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 30th, 2012
3:20 pm

Level X!

“The last two years it was “LD/Woody is sitting him, I trust LD/Woody, so Teague must suck.” This year it’s “Teague is good, so LD must have known what he was doing by sitting him.” -najeh-
___________

I admit I was chirping that same song, but I didn’t know any better and now? I have seen the light and am loving – drinking the Jeff Teague kool-Aid. It is so delicous!

And, he is such a great kid. My Donatello! LOL!

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
3:24 pm

“Their games are identical to me, except Jeff has a better outside shot and a better floater.” – drmaryb

Come one now Mary, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. You saw the game where the Hawks blew a 27-point lead over the Bulls. The way that lead was erased was because Drew allowed the Bulls to isolate Rose at the top of the key and didn’t send Teague any help. This happened at least 15 times in the third and fourth quarter and no adjustment was ever made. My theory is that Drew did this to humiliate Teague.

If Drew had bee trying to win that Chicago game and trying to win the home game against the Heat, the Hawks would be 2-0 vs. both of those teams and would be viewed in a completely different light. But we got to see Teague 1-on-1 vs. Rose 15+ plays in the last CHI game and the difference in talent level was there for all to see.

“…which would make all my three way “Kirk to the Lakers and a 3rd team’s big man to the Hawks” trades irrelevant.”

But we always appreciate the effort Najeh! ;)

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 30th, 2012
3:27 pm

Yard Art!

Najeh! Stop it boy … You are one SICK puppy. What in the hell was that? A straw man? Leprechauns … Crackheads … What’s next? I can’t wait. LMAO

Melvin

January 30th, 2012
3:29 pm

Doc,

The Lakers/Hornets trade that Stern veto was only going to make the Lakers better. Kobe and Paul in backcourt would be a heck of a tandem. Hornets would have been a mediocre team at best (like the Rockets are now). And that’s the worst spot for NBA team to be in. Good enough to make the playoffs but not contend for a title and not bad enough to get a high lottery to acquire a franchise top player. I agree with Stern on that one. I don’t want to see no more Gasol to LA or KG/Allen to Boston type trades were the big franchises rip off/strip the small market teams for their most talented players. Hornets, Timberwolves, Grizzles and OKC have not won a title from those trades. Although OKC is a legit title contender now but it was from the Ray Allen trade.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
3:34 pm

“Attention NBA GMs: We want to rid ourselves of Kaman…text bigfishcommish with your best offer!” – KevinM

LOL… Big Fish Stern hoping there are GMs out there who, like Najeh, would trade multiple rotation players for a guy who has had one healthy, productive season in the last 4 years.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
3:39 pm

“The Lakers/Hornets trade that Stern veto was only going to make the Lakers better.” – Melvin

Well, it was going to make the Lakers a team wholly dependent on three players, Paul, Kobe and Bynum, who all have knee issues. However, it would have given the Lakers a better chance of landing Dwight, who isn’t going to want to prop up the Kobe farewell tour without Paul or Deron Williams on the squad.

GulfwavesGary

January 30th, 2012
3:40 pm

I am very surprised at the success of the Hawks without Al Horford. They have beaten both Chicago and Miami already( almost beat both twice), and the bench is crazy hard playing. Seeing Tracy McGrady flashing with pure talent and Jeff Teague being great, and the Hawks mostly winning ( over 700 percentage) is really exciting. No expectations for the future of this year, but Team Play has been great. GO HAWKS.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
3:48 pm

“Come one now Mary, let’s not get ahead of ourselves. You saw the game where the Hawks blew a 27-point lead over the Bulls. The way that lead was erased was because Drew allowed the Bulls to isolate Rose at the top of the key and didn’t send Teague any help. This happened at least 15 times in the third and fourth quarter and no adjustment was ever made. My theory is that Drew did this to humiliate Teague.

If Drew had bee trying to win that Chicago game and trying to win the home game against the Heat, the Hawks would be 2-0 vs. both of those teams and would be viewed in a completely different light. But we got to see Teague 1-on-1 vs. Rose 15+ plays in the last CHI game and the difference in talent level was there for all to see.”—-Buddy Grizzard

Hey Buddy thats what drives me nuts about Larry Leisure Suit! His in game adjustments, or lack there of..Rose is a MVP for a reason! He has gifts man, over 48″ vert, lighting quick, and and extremely strong at his size of 6′3″! No on man can guard him 1 on 1 @ the top of the key, thats like a kid with an open cookie jar..He’s going to keep eating em up..

Now if Larry purposely wanted to humiliate JT than fire his azz yesterday the buster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Melvin

January 30th, 2012
3:49 pm

Go ahead and re-sign TMAC, Green, Ivan and Vlad for next year…

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2012
3:49 pm

I don’t understand why the Lakers wouldn’t attempt to offer Pau Gasol to the Nets for D. Williams. Deron would surely sign an extension in LA. And New Jersey has nothing to get D12 with. NJN already know they’re going to lose Williams this off season. And pairing Gasol with Lopez going forward, would be the best front court in the east. And I truly believe Williams is just as good as Paul in long term, because he stays healthier.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
3:49 pm

Melvin, I understand the debate that says he should have been played earlier. I’m rejecting the clairvoyant argument that we would have been watching a comparable level of performance. I personally didn’t see a comparble level of offense shortly after the Bibby trade. He was good defensively but couldn’t convert at the rim. I gues he practiced his shots in the paint during the Chicago series, huh? i also recall a player who often tried to steal the ball from behind as opposed to use his quickness to stay in front of his man. he picked up a bunch of fouls that way. Seemingly, that is another thing that can’t be taught outside of real games, the whole idea to defend with your feet and not your hands.

That Nick van Exel is STEALING money from the Hawks.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
3:54 pm

I’m not sure if this was previously reported, but Kamen CAN’T be traded before 2/15. So unless folk just want to beat a dead horse for about 2 weeks, he ain’t leaving the Hornets anytime soon regardless of the GM.

BTW, that’s probably why they told him to stay away from the games, because they need him to remain healthy until he is eligible to be traded. It is essentially there way to keep him in bubble-wrap and away from any contact. It would be kind of messed up if he gets injured in a pick-up game while keeping himself in shape.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
4:00 pm

If you know the Bulls are going to DRose, shouldn’t you run some flavor of a zone at him? Have 2 guys converge in one area instead of island defense with Teague.
Our backline isn’t strong enough to make up for DRose, but we should at least have 2 bodies around him at all times and force a Korver or Boozer to beat you. With Deng out, the Heat really didn’t impress me with their defense as Rose found a seem to slice through.

Now if you had an ‘Anthony Davis’ type player lurking in the paint, then you can go one on one with Rose and depend on your shot blockers.
He is like a Camby who can protect the rim and have his hands on a lot of rimmed out shots.
How does Sund go about getting us that rim defender if he even wants us to protect our rim?

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
4:05 pm

“I don’t understand why the Lakers wouldn’t attempt to offer Pau Gasol to the Nets for D. Williams.” Ra’mon

All that trade would do is keep NJ from getting top draft picks. The Nets without Deron Williams are going to be terrible, but with Gasol, Brook Lopez and Mr. Kardashian they wouldn’t be terrible enough. The Nets franchise mortgaged its future to bring Deron Williams and hope he would attract Dwight Howard. Until they know for a fact Dwight won’t be signing with them as a free agent, they are not going to let go of Deron’s Bird rights, hoping that he will re-sign since they can pay him more money.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
4:09 pm

Elite NBA Pt. Guards will continuously probe the defense of the opposition looking for seams(weakness) to exploit and in the blink of an eye attack, attack,attack……That’s what make CP3 and D-Rose so special.

Teague is just about there! What a thang of beauty when he’s clicking? Huh…………….

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
4:15 pm

AJ, what is the 2/15 rule? This guy has not just signed a new contract with his current team? He should be able to go immediately if current team chooses such.
Here is another twist: “New Orleans Coach Monty Williams said before Sunday night’s game against the visiting Atlanta Hawks they are looking to improve their depth, and they wouldn’t object to acquiring another center in a trade as long as he would accept playing limited minutes behind starter Emeka Okafor.

“We probably always wanted a guy with some length that can play that five spot, but it has to be a guy the can accept the role,” Williams said. “It would be good if that guy could play with Emeka like Jason Smith, who can stretch the floor but also has a defensive concept to his game.”

Kaman was unwilling to accept playing a diminished role as a backup. He said last week that it was hard for him to play 15 to 25 minutes when he’s used to playing 30 to 35 minutes.”

Seriously, for Kaman to get 30 minutes here, you would definitely have to move Zaza and depend on Collins. I will say that Kaman would probably produce some good numbers with that much playing time.

To me, including Zaza makes sense for a couple of reasons, but I have read nothing that says Sund is even using his mobile minutes to inquire.
This makes sense in the opportunity to boost the interior on both ends of the court and I would think Demps/Stern would prefer to deal outside their division if given that option. Kinda like Otis saying the Hawks or Heat would be the last place I would try to negotiate with to move D12.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
4:18 pm

The Bulls needed 6 games to beat the hawks with one seldomly used PG and very little defense when that PG went to the bench. Now, Teague will be better and hopefully, some combination of Hinrich & Pargo will still be around to give us 48 minutes of solid PG defense. I’m more worried about the Bulls ability to secure rebounds with Noah, Gibson, Deng, Boozer and Brewer than I am about Rose. No one is capable of stopping that guy from scoring 24+ each and every game… the real issue is getting the rebound when they miss shots (and scoring against their outstanding defense).

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
4:22 pm

GulfwavesGary

January 30th, 2012
3:40 pm

“I am very surprised at the success of the Hawks without Al Horford. They have beaten both Chicago and Miami already( almost beat both twice), and the bench is crazy hard playing. Seeing Tracy McGrady flashing with pure talent and Jeff Teague being great, and the Hawks mostly winning ( over 700 percentage) is really exciting. No expectations for the future of this year, but Team Play has been great. GO HAWKS.”

I’m not surprised. All NBA went down when the strength of schedule got softer. Plus the bench is deeper this year..And of course Teague, Da Blur is rising fast! But here comes February as Doc has alluded to in previous blogs and its about to step up big time….We will see if they can maintain w/o All NBA.
One thing about this abbreviated season there is no where to run and hide..The schedule will expose you as a contender or pretender eventually for sure……

Melvin

January 30th, 2012
4:24 pm

Astro,

I understand the basis of your argument that Teague was coached up but it’s funny how we didn’t see the labor of this coaching until Hinrich got hurt. Were they not being coach up for the last two years? I disagree with your viewpoint. I clearly think his improvement came with the increase playing time. Are you going to over look his play during the west coast trip last season prior to Hinrich joining the team or what about the Boston game last season when Bibby was hurt (i think that was the game)? So he had good practices during those periods then resorted by to having sub par practices which effected his playing time for games. Najeh already hit the nail on the head when he stated that LD/Woody preferred to play their vets and live with the consequences instead of taking the lumps and letting Teague develop on the court.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
4:30 pm

The only complaint I have with Teague is his interviews at halftime with Jeroooooooooooooooooooooooooooooome Jurnevich! He looks like he has zero interest in participation, but I marvel at what this guy does on the court with the resources he has to work with. And now Al is down and so far, Teague is doing just fine.
Could he get a look come all-star time? He is playing excellent and with Rondo down, you’ve got DWilliams and DRose and there’s probably no room for the blip! But he is playing as well as DWilliams and impacts this team as much as Rondo.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
4:32 pm

KevinM I think you might have missed this from the previous blog”

Chris Kaman:

2007-2008 56 games played
2008-2009 31 games played
2009-2010 76 games played
2010-2011 32 games played

Zaza Pachulia:

2007-2008 62 games played
2008-2009 77 games played
2009-2010 78 games played
2010-2011 79 games played

List of players who have been in the top 10 in postseason rebounding rate at least two of the last three years:

Marcus Camby
Dwight Howard
Joakim Noah
Carlos Boozer
Zaza Pachulia

That’s top 10 at every position vs. playoff competition for the last three years. Only 5 players in the NBA are in the top 10 in playoff rebounding rate in two of the last three postseasons. Zaza Pachulia is one of them. Chris Kaman is not.

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
4:35 pm

Why the Hawks are still winning…

Teague is as at least as good a PG as Al was a Center…So our weakness has shifted from the PG to the Center. We still have a “Big 3″ and when Al returns, we will have a “Big 4″++++ A team capable of winning a Title

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
4:39 pm

I feel pretty confident that New Orleans made the decision to hold Kaman out of games not just to prevent the inevitable injury that would destroy any trade value but also to avoid a Kaman vs. Zaza matchup. Such a matchup would have likely resulted in Kaman getting shut down worse than Bogut did, which would have also further eroded his trade value.

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
4:43 pm

The Difference in the Power Rankings…

PPL that the watch the Hawks and PPL that don’t….Beacuse anyone that thinks the Mavs or Celtics are better than the Hawks, need to go back to AA.

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/powerrankings/01/30/week5/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Ray

January 30th, 2012
4:44 pm

It’s official though Teague is the reason this team is held together now that we have at least a above average PG that’s beginning to become consistent it’s going to get better from here.

Plus every position seems to be locked down except the C position we get an above average C along the lines of a Brook Lopez then it’s over we can finally contend with anyone. We already can now, but I just feel like the hawks would take over.

Sautee

January 30th, 2012
4:50 pm

AJ,

I think that as far as practice vs. game time, that it’s not possible to separate the improvement of the players skills. What IS easier to quantify (at least with an eye test) is the confidence with which a player takes the court. I just don’t think you get that kind of confidence on the practice floor (think about it – Teague would have guarded / been guarded by Bibby or JC1 – that wouldn’t give you confidence anything like beating Rose off the dribble would, IMO). And that confidence makes a huge difference in the results.

So my contention is that playing Teague more over his first two years would have given him more confidence earlier in his career. Ask George Hill or DeJuan Blair what it did for them. And before you say “give him minutes without EARNING it?” I’ll just say that yo-yo-ing a kid in and out with no apparent regard for his previous performance is NOT a way to inspire confidence. There’s a right (Pop) and a wrong (Woody / Uncle Larry) way to inspire confidence. His good outings should have been rewarded by equal stints, but more often were rewarded by a dnp-cd. That was my beef.

honest_abe

January 30th, 2012
5:00 pm

the great teague mystery.

and the debate goes on and on and on and ……………

there’s obviously no right answer and as this argument is hardly quantifiable. but for every teague there is another salim. just because someone looks good for a 2 minute stretch hardly qualifies them for more playing time. i still remember the game last season where LD wanted a time out and so jeff dribbled lackadaisically trying to cross half court and call a TO. the ball got stolen. might be the first time in my life i’ve ever seen that happen. if the pg who’s supposed to “lead” the team doesn’t even have his head on straight to call a timeout without turning it over then he’s obviously not ready. teague looked lost for the majority of the season last year so it doesn’t surprise me that he didn’t play more.

some say more PT gives a young player confidence to go out and get better. that isnt’ always the case. take acie law for example. he got pt and sucked. and continued to suck until all his confidence and game had left.

simply putting talent on the court doesn’t translate to success and that’s something everyone should ponder.

vava74

January 30th, 2012
5:00 pm

Buddy Grizzard January 30th, 2012
4:39 pm

I tend to agree with most of your opinions but you must be smoking seriously good weed.

Zaza is a very good back up but he never shuts down anyone. He will give you up and down effort and on the good days he will do most of his damage on the offensive glass and with scrappy D. Scrappy is the key word.

His defense is “voluntarious” but seldom consistent and due to his reduced lift his 6′11″ translates in a 6′8″ player at the rim.

IF healthy, and here I do agree 100%, a big if, it would be a no contest in favour o Kaman who his longer, better finisher, better shot blocker and more resourceful.

Another factor is that he likes the paint which is a rare commodity nowadays.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
5:01 pm

Buddy, I see those stats and what Zaza does in the playoffs, but truthfully, is Zaza going to help lead us to victory in those series?
We have won 2 games out of those 18 in Round 2 and Zaza was a part of them or he was just sitting and watching.
I have seen what Zaza brings; I have seen stats that Kaman would be better and make us a better starting 5. I read where Kaman doesn’t want limited minutes. I can’t blame him. I wouldn’t want to be behind a guy in NO that is learning how to play the game. Kaman wants to win games after being in the ‘clip-joint’ for so many years.
You get me Kaman; I get you a better player on both ends of the floor. He isn’t Bogut either and I would have liked to see him play against Zaza last night. We would have seen a very good post player.
Is he going to get us beyond Round 2? Who knows? Sund and LD play to the opposition as opposed to having the opposition play against our strengths.

Kaman might only be a band-aid to helping us get a better seed than without him. But we have a presence in the lineup that scores and gets you rebounds.
Zaza’s last 3 games with big minutes: 29 mpg / 8.6 ppg / 7 reb
Kaman’s last 3 games with big minutes: 27 mpg / 11.3 ppg / 7.6 reb

We have more options with Kaman in the lineup and I don’t think our defense goes down that much.

honest_abe

January 30th, 2012
5:03 pm

zaza ain’t a very good defender but he does show hard off screens and will take a charge (or flop depending on your pov) the best aspect of zaza is that he gets in the heads of other players and throws them off their game. other than that and his energy he’s borderline scrub. heh

i like zaza btw.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
5:07 pm

Melvin, I saw a stark difference between the Teague that played on the west coast and the one that played against the Bulls. It was night & day.

Sautee, I agree with your confidence argument. But isn’t there a relationship between confidence and preparedness?

Grandad

January 30th, 2012
5:09 pm

Enter your comments here

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
5:10 pm

Kevin, I can’t find the source but I think there is a 60 day “cooling off period” between trades for a player. Kamen was a Clipper who was traded to the Hornets. He signed his contract several years ago as a Clipper (he was NOT a free agent signee for the Hornets). He was traded back on 12/15 as part ofthe CP3 deal. Again, I read it earlier today but can’t remember where I read it.

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
5:12 pm

PG by accident…

Woody was the coach for 6 years= 0 PG’s developed
LD is here 2 years= 1 PG(By accident)

LD’s dream was to have a Derek Fisher/Kirk Hinrich vet savvy PG to run his team. After watching the effect of an athletic PG on his team, both offensively and defensively….HE HAD AN EPIPHANY!!!!!……

YOU CAN’T BEAT THE BEST TEAM IN THE EAST, WITHOUT A PG WHO CAN PUT PRESSURE ON DROSE, OFFENSIVELY AND DEFENSIVELY! SO…..

LD built this team in offseason with the thought of giving Teague/Joe space to operate….

LD’s acceptence of Teague and the concept of “defense first”, has made him a better coach and the Hawks a better team.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
5:21 pm

“I feel pretty confident that New Orleans made the decision to hold Kaman out of games not just to prevent the inevitable injury that would destroy any trade value but also to avoid a Kaman vs. Zaza matchup. Such a matchup would have likely resulted in Kaman getting shut down worse than Bogut did, which would have also further eroded his trade value.”

This made me laugh out loud. On par with Marvin’s grandma’s best posts. The only people who care about the result of a Kaman vs. Zaza matchup post on this blog. NBA GMs know better than to judge Kaman based on this season’s stats when he has been playing out of position at power forward for most of the season, on a terrible team that understandably wants to give more minutes to its young players.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
5:23 pm

Kevin, from David Aldridge (and it is 2/14, not 2/15 as I said earlier):


The Hornets’ unusual step of publicly acknowledging they were shopping Chris Kaman creates a buyers’ market for the 29-year-old former All-Star. With Kaman’s agent, Rob Pelinka, working on potential deals as well, New Orleans won’t lack for potential suitors. It also helps that the Hornets have recalibrated their initial demands of an expiring contract, a young player and Draft picks for Kaman. League sources indicated this weekend that the Hornets — and, by extension, the NBA, which owns the team — now realize they’ll have to at least take some salary back for Kaman. But New Orleans is still looking for a first-round pick, and Lottery-bound teams that might be interested in Kaman aren’t going to give up those kinds of picks. That would leave good teams at the bottom of the first round as more likely trading partners. (Also keep in mind that Kaman, having been dealt to New Orleans on Dec. 14, can’t actually be traded under the CBA until Feb. 14.)

http://www.nba.com/2012/news/features/david_aldridge/01/30/business-of-76ers/index.html

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
5:24 pm

Zaza best attribute….

He is VERY, VERY, physical. PPL underestimate the value of battling with a CLUMSY, HARD BOLDER all day…. It wears you down you down and he makes it HURT.

Ken Strickland

January 30th, 2012
5:24 pm

DOC-I believe Stern is trying to make the Hornets more attractive to potential buyers by getting rid of as many large contracts as possible, or he’s trying to set them up to be moved to another location. Moving the Supersonics from Seattle to Oklahoma City has proven to be a long term bonanza. This is the 2nd franchise that’s failed to make it in New Orleans. The Utah Jazz was orginally the New Orleans Jazz, just like the New Orleans Hornets was originally the Charlotte Hornets.

Shinn proved to be a selfish, greedy and incompetent owner, and now they have Stern.

Grandad

January 30th, 2012
5:24 pm

Sautee:

” We are what we repeatedly do.
Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit ”
-Aristotle-

” Confidence is born of demonstrated ability.”
-Bill Parcells-

Aristotle = practice
Parcells = games

For what it’s worth.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
5:24 pm

If Kaman has a trade restriction, the trade machine doesn’t know about it. There is a restriction on trading players who were signed before the season, but I don’t know of one that applies to players who were acquired via trade. If such a restriction existed, wouldn’t it have stopped the Hawks from trading Sheed after one game back in 2004?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
5:26 pm

Well, if David Aldridge says it, I believe it. I guess the trade machine is wrong. (No sarcasm)

Speaking of David Aldridge, he will be on NBA TV with, among others, everyone’s favorite GM Rick Sund at 6 PM.

yoursporthouse dot com

January 30th, 2012
5:27 pm

Horford, Hinrich, and Marvin for Nene and the rights to Wilson Chandler.

yoursporthouse dot com

January 30th, 2012
5:29 pm

Starting lineup:
1 Teague
2 Joe
3 Chandler
4 Smoove
5 Nene

Bench:
1 Pargo
2 Green
3 McGrady
4 Ivan
5 Zaza

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
5:31 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
5:31 pm

” I’ll just say that yo-yo-ing a kid in and out with no apparent regard for his previous performance is NOT a way to inspire confidence. There’s a right (Pop) and a wrong (Woody / Uncle Larry) way to inspire confidence. His good outings should have been rewarded by equal stints, but more often were rewarded by a dnp-cd. ”

All good points, but even putting aside the impact on Teague’s confidence, the fact is that the Hawks had one of the worst defensive back courts in the league when they would run Bibby and Jamal out there, which directly resulted in leads being blown and winnable games being lost. Playing Teague wasn’t just the right move for developing him; it was the right move for winning games. I wouldn’t be nearly as bent out of shape about the Teague treatment if he had a good player playing ahead of him.

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
5:32 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
5:36 pm

“Only 5 players in the NBA are in the top 10 in playoff rebounding rate in two of the last three postseasons. Zaza Pachulia is one of them. Chris Kaman is not.”

This is like saying Robert Horry is better than Charles Barkley because he has a handful of rings and Barkley has zero. I guess it’s Kaman’s fault the dysfunctional, lottery-pick-whiffing Clippers missed the playoffs, and the Hawks wouldn’t have made the playoffs without Zaza. What a useless stat.

I want to know Zaza’s rate of missing layups, getting his shot blocked, fumbling easy passes to the other team, etc. Without those, judging him solely on his rebound rate is useless.

Ken Strickland

January 30th, 2012
5:37 pm

ASTRO JOE
Despite all of the accusations about the ASG being incompetent and foolish, I’m certain they aren’t foolish or incompetent enough to trade away one a starter, plus a 1st rd pick, for a fragile under producing backup center. Until he learns our OFF and DEF systems, and we won’t have enough practices to make it happen anytime soon, there’s no way he can start for us without disrupting the team.

The Hawks have done quite well so far considering our difficult schedule and the loss of Horford. Therefore, until the team collapses, or proves it can’t continue to hold up under the pressure of these to situations, I don’t see us making any trades or signing any FAs, at least not before the trade deadline.

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
5:38 pm

Sautee

January 30th, 2012
5:40 pm

AJ,

“Sautee, I agree with your confidence argument. But isn’t there a relationship between confidence and preparedness?”

Probably for you and me, but maybe not for LD.

I’ll ask this: Did the dnp-cd’s that happened immediately after a productive outing happen because LD thought Teague was unprepared? And if so, why was he prepared on the previous productive outing? ;-)

honest,

I saw what you did with that TO. I still put that off to lack of confidence (and awareness).

As far as Acie… well, I posted many times showing that his longer stints (15 min and over) were BY FAR his most productive (even by per 36, or whatever). Once again, I still think he was a victim of a scared coach, who lacked the long range thinking of, say a Popovich. Not that Acie was EVER gonna be anything but decent, LOL.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
5:41 pm

Zaza is top 5 in playoff rebounding rate over the last few years. Kevin Love is not. #BuddyGrizzardStats

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
5:41 pm

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
5:45 pm

That’s correct Najeh… you don’t get rated in playoff stats unless you go to the playoffs.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
5:45 pm

Pretty cool to see the Hawks flying up the power rankings this week. I’d be even more encouraged if they are still around that high when the All Star break comes along.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
5:45 pm

” you don’t get rated in playoff stats unless you go to the playoffs.”

Would you trade Zaza for Kevin Love?

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
5:48 pm

“Zaza is a very good back up but he never shuts down anyone.” – Vava74

He shut down a healthy Bogut… you must have missed that game.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
5:48 pm

Yes… Kevin Love, unlike Chris Kaman, has been pretty durable.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
5:49 pm

Also, we recently watched Kevin Love badly outplay Josh Smith with our own eyes. Can’t judge Chris Kaman with our own eyes because NO is hiding him to protect his trade value.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
5:50 pm

“Kevin Love, unlike Chris Kaman, has been pretty durable.”

That has nothing to do with playoff rebounding rate. The fact is that Zaza’s playoff rebounding rate over the last three seasons is higher than Love’s playoff rebounding rate of zero. Forget durability for a second. Is Zaza better than Kevin Love?

Rufus1

January 30th, 2012
5:51 pm

Sautee,

All we needed from ACIE was to be an above average PG…

I still believe Woody was one of the worst coaches in the league…This is the 7th year with this core and Woody wasted about 3 of those years. If LD would have been the coach 5 years ago, I think we would have had better results…

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
5:56 pm

Antoine Walker’s playoff scoring average over the last three years is greater than LeBron’s playoff scoring average. #BuddyGrizzardStatsFrom2003

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
5:57 pm

“We have won 2 games out of those 18 in Round 2 and Zaza was a part of them or he was just sitting and watching.” – KevinM

He was sitting and watching in the first quarter of Game 6 when the Boozer and Noah attacked Collins to put the Hawks in a hole they would never recover from. He was sitting and watching from the 10:22 mark of the fourth quarter of game 5, when he checked out with the Hawks trailing 71-70. Meanwhile Jamal Crawford played the whole fourth quarter until he was replaced by Pape Sy with 1:05 to play and the game decided. Crawford was 1-for-9 on the night. So yes, Zaza was sitting when those games were decided.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
6:00 pm

Najeh Zaza’s stunning playoff rebounding rate is a reason to KEEP Zaza. Kaman’s lack of durability is a reason NOT TO TRADE for Kaman. See what I did there?

Ray

January 30th, 2012
6:02 pm

With the way things are working out the hawks might be that high @ Najeh.

Honestly looking back at the 09 draft again I think we have the biggest steal of it all with Teague. Then again it’s a little too early for that, but still it’s finally fun again to watch the hawks.

Thing is what do we do about eitehr Horford or Josh depending on how this goes could determine many things if Smith keeps playing this well, and we obtain a legit C where does that leave Horford?

In fact just bringing back Benson would help the C position a lot I think.

terrell

January 30th, 2012
6:04 pm

Rick Sund interview on the Beat at 6:30. NBA TV. Cant wait. Haha

terrell

January 30th, 2012
6:05 pm

“6:00″. My bad.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
6:06 pm

Zaza’s last 3 games with big minutes: 29 mpg / 8.6 ppg / 7 reb
Kaman’s last 3 games with big minutes: 27 mpg / 11.3 ppg / 7.6 reb

You completely made my point for me. The difference between Zaza and Kaman is 2.5 ppg and half a rebound. The difference is also a very real danger of Kaman getting hurt and contributing nothing. And for that, Najeh would trade the very durable and playoff-proven Zaza Pachulia, PLUS the very utilitarian and playoff-proven Kirk Hinrich… two rotation players for an unreliable guy who gets you 2.5 ppg more than Zaza.

Ray

January 30th, 2012
6:11 pm

Ok just saying I’d rather have Mcgee than Kaman if you’re going to give up Kirk and Zaza that’s as bad as the trade last year with us and the Wizards giving them all that for one person a PB&J sandwich.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
6:13 pm

Sund just said they surrounded Jamal with “physical” and “defensive” players on the bench last year. I hope he’s not talking about Josh Powell…

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
6:14 pm

Sund just compared LD to Nate McMillan.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
6:17 pm

Lang Whitaker asked Sund about replacing Al, and Sund seems pretty content with Zaza and Twin holding down the fort. Doesn’t sound like a guy who thinks upgrading the big man rotation is a real priority.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
6:21 pm

” Zaza’s stunning playoff rebounding rate is a reason to KEEP Zaza. Kaman’s lack of durability is a reason NOT TO TRADE for Kaman. See what I did there?”

Yeah. You pointed out one thing Zaza does well and one drawback to Kaman, omitting any discussion of all the other positives and negatives of each player.

Joe Johnson being a more willing passer than Kobe is a reason to KEEP him. Kobe’s fragile knees are a reason NOT TO TRADE for him. See what I did there? You can take individual attributes about two players and make comparisons to support whatever ludicrous position you want.

In any case, the point of my previous messages is that comparing one guy’s playoff rebounding rate to another guy’s playoff rebounding rate, when the second guy hasn’t even played in the playoffs, is not just foolish; it is an outright lie. If you have to lie to make Zaza look better, then clearly Zaza isn’t all that great.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
6:23 pm

Mike Bibby has more assists in the playoffs over the last three years than Jeff Teague. #BuddyGrizzardStats

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
6:29 pm

Josh Smith averaging more rebounds than LeBron is a reason to KEEP Josh. LeBron choking at the free throw line is a reason NOT TO TRADE for LeBron. See what I did there? #BuddyGrizzardComparisons

Sautee

January 30th, 2012
6:30 pm

Blog’s newest catch phrase: ” See what I did there?” ;-)

doc

January 30th, 2012
6:30 pm

etan not josh powell, maybe? come on sund who is kidding who? what was the look on lang’s face who knows the hawks well, najeh as he said this crap?

doc

January 30th, 2012
6:37 pm

Sund just compared LD to Nate McMillan.

see what he did?

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
6:38 pm

“I want to know Zaza’s rate of missing layups, getting his shot blocked, fumbling easy passes to the other team, etc. Without those, judging him solely on his rebound rate is useless.”

Well Najeh, even with all the missed layups, getting his shot blocked and fumbled passes, Zaza still lead the team in +/-. Therefore, obviously all those rebounds he’s getting and extra posessions he’s giving his team outweigh the bad plays we all see him make. But by all means lets trade two productive players for Chris Kaman and watch him go down to injury and produce nothing.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
6:38 pm

To be clear, I was much more enthusiastic about Kirk + Zaza for Kaman before Al went down. Right now, the Hawks would be more benefited by acquiring depth at center, rather than upgrading the one they have. While Kirk + Zaza for Kaman would make the starting lineup better, it wouldn’t solve the problem of Collins and Ivan playing all the backup center minutes, so the better move is to keep Zaza and trade Kirk for a big man.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
6:40 pm

” Zaza still lead the team in +/-.”

Link?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
6:41 pm

“what was the look on lang’s face who knows the hawks well, najeh as he said this crap?”

Haha somehow he managed to keep a straight face, but I’m pretty sure he’s followed the Hawks long enough that he probably expects the BS at this point.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
6:42 pm

“Joe Johnson being a more willing passer than Kobe is a reason to KEEP him. Kobe’s fragile knees are a reason NOT TO TRADE for him. See what I did there?”

YES! I SEE what you DID there! You said we’re better off with Joe than Kobe. And considering that Kobe’s team is .500 even with Bynum and Gasol on the roster, I think you take a pretty strong position there Najeh! Well done!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
6:48 pm

Wait, so are you trying to say you actually wouldn’t trade Joe for Kobe? Are you sure you’re not Rick Sund?

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
6:49 pm

Buddy, 2-16 the last 3 years, and putting Zaza in the starting lineup for major minutes isn’t making this team any better than having Al last year.
I know I would rather see Kaman in the post as opposed to Zaza. Kaman’s numbers will always be better than Zaza’s, and having him play with better players will only help this team. To go along with that, I’m willing to give up someone else with Zaza to get Kaman for this year.

And if you can get anything for Marvin, you get it while he is doing ’something’ on the postive side. Will fantasy owners go out there and crank out Marvin trades now that he has had a few productive games?
The C position needs upgrading….I don’t need to hear Sund defend his position that we are fine. His interviews are completely a waste of time. I give him credit with retooling the bench, but he still hasn’t improved the starting 5. Teague did that himself when we were forced to go to him. That alone should have gotten LD his walking papers.

When Rick Carlisle let Tayshaun sit the bench as a rookie when he was at the helm in Detroit, and they were stuck not progressing in the playoffs, Larry Brown came in and gave Tayshaun minutes and whaddya know? They improved their starting lineup and improved their playoff results.

Watch and see if LD will try to take minutes away from Teague going forward. No one should be surprised to see it happen. LD plays it as safe as Sund does and really doesn’t have a long term goal to achieve.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
6:55 pm

Najeh, are you thinking that once Al is cleared, he won’t help much this year? Because I don’t think Kirk should go anywhere this year at least. If Teague or Joe go down, we don’t have enough leverage.
If we acquired Kaman, and Al can give us something, that is a better spot to be in than with Zaza. System knowledge or not, you get Kaman in here to learn the system in enough time to help come playoff time because that is what he should be coming here for. A big man should be able to come in and learn his roles/responsibilities in 2 months of the regular season.
Not sure whatever big man you get for Kirk would be much anyway.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 30th, 2012
7:03 pm

Astro Joe, so when Kaman goes to his next team he will be iron-rusty.

EmirS.

January 30th, 2012
7:06 pm

“Will fantasy owners go out there and crank out Marvin trades now that he has had a few productive games?”

You should ask northcyde about that.

Btw, would it be possible for us to try and acquire Greg Monroe from the Pistons?

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 30th, 2012
7:13 pm

4 Points of Pressure!

“I want to know Zaza’s rate of missing layups, getting his shot blocked, fumbling easy passes to the other team, etc. Without those, judging him solely on his rebound rate is useless.”
___________

Perhaps Zaza and Marvin should train @ Flowery Branch this off season and practice the “4 Points of Pressure” on the basketball. That way when they grab a rebound, they can hold onto it, until more qualified help arrives.

The last thing we need to see is those guys going up to score. Zaza will fumble it and Marvin will get his shot blocked by the bottom of the rim or from behind by a 2′ PG.

SMH

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 30th, 2012
7:20 pm

See what I did there? LLL

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
7:23 pm

Sautee, I think it had a lot to do with maturity issues. But I wasn’t there so that is clearl speculation. Something about his past comments, however, suggest that he is a young 20-something year-old still finding his way. Shocking I know, we often expect these guys to come out with the mental and emotional stability to immediately become an All-Star. As I’ve said before, you can’t always expedite the rippening process.

Strickland, I agree. i think we stand pat until closer to the trade deadline (I hope so at least).

Still have no issue with our GM publicly showing faith in his current roster while (hopefully) quietly looking for roster upgrades. No need to announce his trade attentions to the media… his fellow GMs know what’s up.

bama52

January 30th, 2012
7:24 pm

Get Josh Smith to stop playing PG. Give the ball to Jeff T. please Josh. Block shots,rebound and continue the defensive effort.Josh Running the fast break is hurting the team.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
7:29 pm

Najeh I would only trade Joe for Kobe because Kobe has fewer years on his contract than Joe. Otherwise, Kobe is an exceptionally selfish and badly declining player as evidenced by his team’s record. Kobe has Bynum and Gasol. Joe has Zaza and Collins. Do the math.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
7:33 pm

Kevin I understand you want to upgrade the center position but Kaman has missed significant time due to injuries in three of the last four years. He’s not enough of an upgrade over Zaza that it’s worth the risk of letting proven durability go and throwing another productive rotation player in the deal.

Busta Rhyme

January 30th, 2012
7:35 pm

Teague is a nerd. Josh is a major player. Screw teague. Tell teague if he turns the ball over 1 more time or if he doesnt learn how to distribute the ball better we are going to trade his azz. Teague is a scrub.

And to trade Al horford for Kaman is a waste of time. they both play about the same so whats the point? In fact Al Kaman and Zaza are all about the same. What the freakin point? this may be the stupidest blog site ever.

Thats the new blog phrase. ” this has go to be the stupidest blog page ever.

Busta Rhyme

January 30th, 2012
7:36 pm

” this has got to be the stupidest blog page ever.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
7:37 pm

See what I did? There? Where?

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
7:38 pm

Drmaryb… So Marv might get his shot blocked by the Leprechaun! I see what u DID there!

Willie Lump Lump

January 30th, 2012
7:38 pm

No, this is the most negative blog page ever. They dont even pull for their own player ……. Go Lakers!

D obvious`

January 30th, 2012
7:43 pm

THE PEOPLE PUSHING FOR THE HINIRICH AND ZAZA TRADE ARE TEAGUE AND HORFORD FANS.

I SEE WHERE THEY HAVE NO HAIR.

D obvious`

January 30th, 2012
7:44 pm

DAMN A LEPRECHAUN BLOCKING SHOTS…..lmao

Eric

January 30th, 2012
7:47 pm

Hinrich reminds me of Stockton, Teague reminds me of Rumeal Robinson and Al reminds me the hawks need a center.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
7:48 pm

“Busta Rhyme

“Willie Lump Lump

January 30th, 2012
7:38 pm
No, this is the most negative blog page ever. They dont even pull for their own player ……. Go Lakers!”

When this city decides to prove they are playing in the same league as the contenders, you will see some support. We have been here year after year, and truthfully, we are at this juncture by no choice. Last year’s 3rd string PG is now starting, and no one can get Marvin out of the lineup. Oh yeah, we lost our all-star C and we’re really not in a need to replace him either….okay, makes sense to me.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
7:50 pm

“are you thinking that once Al is cleared, he won’t help much this year?”

I don’t know if he will be able to help or not, but I don’t think the Hawks can assume that he’ll play. They need to be proactive and make plans for the rest of this season under the assumption that he won’t be back. Even if he is fully healthy when the playoffs start, he’ll still have to get into game shape and reintegrate himself with the flow of the offense, and that can’t be done on the fly.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
7:50 pm

“He’s not enough of an upgrade over Zaza that it’s worth the risk of letting proven durability go and throwing another productive rotation player in the deal.”

Buddy, I can’t imagine that Marvin would be called ‘another productive rotation player’…..the times are a changing for sure.

Nothing to worry about though; I know Sund doesn’t have it in him to make such a move.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
7:52 pm

Ok, Najeh, all of that makes sense, but you know that Sund and any of the talking heads are thinking that Al will be back in full force before the playoffs start. That’s why there is little concern on their part, at least in the public eye.

We wouldn’t want anyone to see Sund panic or make a hasty move.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
7:53 pm

“Kobe has Bynum and Gasol. Joe has Zaza and Collins.”

Yeah, great comparison. Kobe has (the next two best players on his team). Joe has (two backups).

I don’t think even northcyde would decline that trade, and he’s the biggest Joe fan on this blog. Even I like Joe — regardless of how I may come across at times — and I would do that trade in a heartbeat. More importantly, the Lakers would laugh Sund off the phone if he called them up with that trade proposal.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
7:57 pm

LeBron has Wade and Bosh. Joe has Zaza and Collins. Do the math.

Aaron Rodgers has Jordy Nelson and Greg Jennings. Matt Ryan has Michael Palmer and Reggie Kelly. Do the math.

Kevin Love has Ricky Rubio. Blake Griffin has Eric Bledsoe. Do the math.

Cubana Lust has a great ass and great t-tties. Azamat Bagatov has seventeen rolls of fat and back hair. Do the math.

#BuddyGrizzardMathClass

Busta Rhyme

January 30th, 2012
7:58 pm

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
5:49 pm

“Also, we recently watched Kevin Love badly outplay Josh Smith with our own eyes.”

Love with the Timberwolves
No. 42 Minnesota Timberwolves
Power Forward / Center
Personal information
Date of birth September 7, 1988 (age 23)
Place of birth Santa Monica, California
Nationality American
High school Lake Oswego High School
Listed height 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m)
Listed weight 260 lb (118 kg)

Josh Smith
Smith with the Hawks
No. 5 Atlanta Hawks
SmallForward/PowerFoward.
Personal information
Date of birth December 5, 1985 (age 26)
Place of birth College Park, Georgia
Nationality American
High school McEachern
Oak Hill Academy
Listed height 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m)
Listed weight 225 lb (102 kg)
Career information
NBA Draft 2004 / Round: 1 / Pick: 17th overall
Selected by the Atlanta Hawks
Pro career 2004–present
League NBA
Career history
2004–present Atlanta Hawks

In related news Shaquille Oneal was able to dominate Nate Robinson in the paint.

Busta Rhyme

January 30th, 2012
8:03 pm

Love with the Timberwolves
No. 42 Minnesota Timberwolves
Power Forward / CenterListed height 6 ft 10 in (2.08 m)
Listed weight 260 lb (118 kg)

No. 5 Atlanta Hawks
SmallForward/PowerFoward.
Listed weight 225 lb (102 kg)
Listed height 6 ft 9 in (2.06 m)

No chit? whoda thought it ? A 6′9″ forward was out played by a 6′ 10″ center.

Damn. I see what you did .

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
8:17 pm

“It’s better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all”.

Cleveland lands LeBron, he leaves.
Melo to Denver, he parts with the Rocky Mountains.
Bosh arrives in Toronto, farewell Oh Canada.
CP3 parties in NOLA, he drops his beads for LA.
Deron replaces Stockton, then heads for the Garden State.
Dwight does Disney, the departs for…

Meanwhile, we bemoan the draft picks that weren’t.

Me, I’m thankful for Shelden Williams. (Okay, so I went too far) :lol:

Elton John

January 30th, 2012
8:22 pm

I wonder if grandad still wears his boxers with the hole to the rear.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
8:25 pm

AJ, you should be thankful for Shellhead, the best nickname in the league. The ‘Landlord’ just didn’t fit him.

After all, Shellhead was the key to us getting Mike Bibby…..and if you ask Sund, everyone’s favorite defensive PG has just turned past his prime.

KevinM

January 30th, 2012
8:28 pm

The Raptors are shopping. They’d like to pick up another draft pick or two, but the real need is at Small Forward.

Can anyone think if a productive rotational player we have that might fit their void…..and have you noticed that I have quit suggesting Rafer Alston, the unsung hero of the Magic’s run to their Finals appearance in ‘09?

Basketball Jones

January 30th, 2012
8:56 pm

I have to laugh at the troll. He loves Josh so much that he’ll defend him against Kevin Love, saying that Love is bigger and heavier, but if it comes to Al Horford having to play against bigger, heavier players, it’s all Al’s fault. Also, he’s all over anyone who says a negative word about Josh as “hater this, and hater that”, while he couldn’t hate on Horford any harder. I think he’s fixated on Horford in a dangerous way. Ever notice how he can’t seem to not mention him, even though Al hasn’t played in a month. He talks on and on about how Horford fans beat down on Josh to make Al look better. That’s bull, the truth is, that he beats on Horford to make Josh try to look better. And he makes up locker room stories to glorify Josh when he has no idea what might or most likely what not anybody said. Like I said a dangerous fixation.

Rusty

January 30th, 2012
8:56 pm

Astro joe do you really believe sitting jt on the bench & never playing him for a few minutes at a time didn’t retard his development.? I guess you think sitting there & watching mb & jc1 play poor defense & constantly having ld bitching at him helped him to improve his talents. Get real.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
9:10 pm

“In related news Shaquille Oneal was able to dominate Nate Robinson in the paint.” – Busta Rhyme

Um… not sure if you realized it or not but Josh Smith and Kevin Love are both natural power forwards. Comparing apples and apples here bro.

Buddy Grizzard

January 30th, 2012
9:15 pm

Najeh I didn’t say I wouldn’t trade for D-Wade!

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
9:25 pm

Rusty, I think if a player’s development is retarded, it is a shared fault.

Astro Joe

January 30th, 2012
9:54 pm

I wonder if the Magic players have checked out on SVG, D12 or both? My guess is that both will be gone by March 20th.

Melvin

January 30th, 2012
9:56 pm

“As the struggling Knicks await the returns of Carmelo Anthony and Baron Davis from injury, they remain alive in the Kenyon Martin Sweepstakes. Andy Miller, Martin’s agent, reiterated by text Monday that Martin will make his decision “by week’s end.” The former Net and Denver Nugget is considering the Knicks, Miami Heat, Los Angeles Clippers, San Antonio Spurs and Atlanta Hawks.” -Hoopshype

doc

January 30th, 2012
10:05 pm

as far as the question on teague vs rose? i dont remember teague saying he let his team down when he missed a few critical free throws that cost the hawks a game like rose did and follow up with a 35 and 9 game the next night. not saying i expect it of teague or he is less of a person it it just not many players have the special physical ability to do what rose did tonight on cue.

george karl held his team together while the melo circus went on around him whereas svg is not able to get the same results of the magic to play as pros.

O'Brien

January 30th, 2012
10:32 pm

If Teague had gotten more consistent PT last year, I don’t think he would have played as good as he is playing now. But I think his potential and gradual improvement would have earned the starting job, and allowed the hawks to bring Bibby off the bench, keep JC2 and their first round pick.

O'Brien

January 30th, 2012
10:34 pm

AJ,

So do you think its time for mass hysteria in Orlando now?

4 straight losses, which include 1)scoring 58 points at Boston 2) Blowing a 27 pt lead at home to Boston 3) Lose by 20+ to the worst team in the West (Hornets) and 4) Score 69 points in loss to the Sixers.

I think the GM and HC are good candidates to be fired this offseason.

Grandad

January 30th, 2012
10:45 pm

Hatter

I don’t wear drawers at all.

I got the joke though.

You know ol’ Elton wrote one of my favorite songs.
It was performed by `Three Dog Night’.

Yawl young folk probably don’t know much ’bout TDN.
When I was younger lad, I enjoyed their music quite a bit.

Oh well – Hatter, you’re a funny guy.

Slimjr

January 30th, 2012
10:46 pm

Good game on NBA TV tonight: OKC Vs LAC!

If the Hawks can beat these two teams they would be considered among the elites imho….

Dont think they can..Watch and you’ll understand…Well coached and fantastic athletes!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 30th, 2012
11:03 pm

“Well coached and fantastic athletes!”

The Clippers are not well coached. They are beatable by a disciplined team.

OKC on the other hand is a legit title contender.

Ra'mon

January 30th, 2012
11:24 pm

Okafor had TWO rebounds tonight for the Hornets against the ‘BIG’ lineup of Miami. I don’t think he’s worth trading Marvin or Kirk for. And I definitely don’t think he’s worth going into the luxury tax for!

joe

January 30th, 2012
11:32 pm

This team is good can be great,only need three things.1.a coach,2 a better than average big man,and a true leader.I hope JEFF TEAGUE,becomes it.

JaeEvolution

January 31st, 2012
12:24 am

I give up, this guy Griffin is in another world athletically WOW!!

joe

January 31st, 2012
1:16 am

JOE,DON’T WANT TO BE A LEADER. AL NOT A LEADER,AND JOSH DON’T WON’T TO FOLLOW.JEFF TOOK A LOT OF ABUSE,THE PAST TWO YEARS,NOW ALL JEFF HAS TO DO IS TAKE THE LEAD,DO WHAT ROSE HAS DONE,AND WHAT PAUL HAS DONE.HAVE TOTAL CONFIDENCE IN YOUR GOD GIVEN ABILITY.OWNER SHIP,YOU ARE SO CLOSE TO WINNING,DON’T LET IT SLIP AWAY.A WINNER IS MOTIVATED,BY WHAT IT STANDS TO WIN,NOT BY THE LOSE.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

January 31st, 2012
1:33 am

Back From Rio.

FIRE SUND

hawks_4_life

January 31st, 2012
2:16 am

Would Make Sense: Atlanta: With Al Horford out for the season the Hawks need someone in the middle, and Kaman would certainly help. But New Orleans would have to take at least some salary back — like Zaza Pachulia, who has a year left on his deal — or, maybe, Marvin Williams, along with an expiring contract like Kirk Hinrich’s and Atlanta’s first-round pick — which wouldn’t be that good, given the Hawks’ likelihood to be in the playoffs. But the Hawks have been reluctant to get anywhere near the luxury tax, and unless they were just renting Kaman for the rest of this season, it would be hard to re-sign him and avoid exceeding the threshold next year. NBA.com

Buddy Grizzard

January 31st, 2012
3:06 am

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde, we need you to restore order to blog land.

Should the Hawks:

1. Trade Marvin Williams and Zaza Pachulia to New Orleans for Chris Kaman.

2. Trade Kirk Hinrich and Zaza Pachulia to New Orleans for Chris Kaman.

3. Realize that Zaza Pachulia is a healthier Chris Kaman who scores a little less and hold what they got.

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
3:08 am

One other point, im sure most of you have never seen this name im using, Im not a troll, but im just acting like at troll. Its the Horford hater thats the troll. I dont think he gets it, We are sworn to defend Al, because he cant defend his self, (that self destructing muddeer fcker) neither can he defend the post. So you must understand Although it might seem like Im a troll, well this is actually a troll trap and Im a troll trapping Muddeer fcker.

Now back to my logic about how to best help Al keep a job.(did you see that mudder fcker self destruct? What the hell was he doing?)The best way to help Al keep a job is A)attach Josh. I know what you are thinking. Basketball Jones is a troll, and thats true, but attacking Josh will help because we have to get rid of somebody, Josh is the power forward and Al wants the position. I agree that he needs to be removed from the center spot cuz we cant have any more of that self destructing trick to avoid being traded chit from Al.So to make this work we need to convince the public that Josh is not working, then trade him, then put Al at the 4. I know its not going to be easy to convince the public but hey, do i look smart to you? Fck. Thats my point!

Also thats why Ive been talking with Bob Weiss about how to get this chit crackin. Bob and I have come up with a plan to spring OJ and put him and midcourt during the hawks next home game…. when Josh starts that fast brake chit me bob and OJ will be there…

I cant say too much because Hatter is watching.

Save the Whales!!

Save Al Horford!!

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
3:10 am

Should the Hawks:

1.Trade Al horford to New Orleans for Chris Kaman.

2. Trade Jeff Teague to New Orleans for Chris Kaman.

3. Realize that Al is a sorry defender who may be pretending to be hurt and then trade for healthier Chris Kaman

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
3:36 am

**when Josh starts that fast break chit me bob and OJ will be there…
when Josh starts that fast break chit me bob and OJ will be there…
when Josh starts that fast break chit me bob and OJ will be there…
when Josh starts that fast break chit me bob and OJ will be there…

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
3:37 am

Will be there

Buddy Grizzard

January 31st, 2012
4:08 am

Droll troll.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
6:11 am

The Menu!

“After all, Shellhead was the key to us getting Mike Bibby…..and if you ask Sund, everyone’s favorite defensive PG has just turned past his prime.”
-KevinM-
________

Shell Fish
Prime Rib

If, ASKG insists planning on serving leftovers on the menu at RED Restaurant, is anyone of us buying it? Shelden and Bibby past their prime will that require wearing a Bibb-y?

Hmmm

January 31st, 2012
6:12 am

OKC IS COOL BUT I DONT TRUST EM IN THE PLAYOFFS. THEY HAVE NOTHING NADA ZIP ZILCH IN THE MIDDLE OFFENSIVELY AND INTERIOR D AIN’T MUCH EITHER. EVERYTHING THEY DO IS FACE UP AND BEAT THEIR MAN OFF THE DRIBBLE. ANY TEAM WITH A DOMINANT LOW POST PRESENCE AND SOME DECENT SHOOTERS COULD KNOCK THE THUNDER OFF IN A 7 GAME SERIES.

Hmmm

January 31st, 2012
6:18 am

“The Clippers are not well coached. They are beatable by a disciplined team.

OKC on the other hand is a legit title contender.”

BOTH TEAMS HAVE WEAK COACHES. BROOKS GOT EXPOSED BY CARLISLE SOMETHING SERIOUS IN LAST YEAR’S WEST FINALS. THE BEST COACHES IN THE WEST BY FAR ARE POP, KARL AND RICK AND ALL THREE HAVE LEGIT TEAMS WHEN HEALTHY THAT I MIGHT PICK IF THEY FACED OKC OR LAC IN THE PLAYOFFS.

Trojan

January 31st, 2012
8:44 am

Mr. Sund: We still need a big. Even if we get Hortford back we need more size.

KevinM

January 31st, 2012
8:50 am

On the ORL issues, If you want a GM who can gut a roster, you have to consider our very own BK. don’t let him control the draft though.
And let’s see what Ewing can do as an interim coach……I always thought he might be a good bench coach, but gets no consideration.

Melvin

January 31st, 2012
9:05 am

I thought we would have been over the 1000 comment mark this morning. Oh well, we may have to continue posting on this blog for another day….

vava74

January 31st, 2012
9:58 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
9:58 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
9:58 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
9:59 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
9:59 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
9:59 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
10:00 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
10:00 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
10:00 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
10:01 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
10:01 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
10:02 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
10:02 am

MC, can we get something new to comment on?

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
10:08 am

Ha Ha! vava74 baby, are you trying to manipulate the blog counter? I didn’t work, looks like we sent to work without breakfast again.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
10:09 am

* we were …

doc

January 31st, 2012
10:10 am

wow, ajc posts a stats article on the upcoming game in toronto. not good for hawks fans wanting something a little more insightful. not sure what is going on but seems the ajc has abandoned the hawks and its fan base on the internet anyway. not good.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
10:14 am

vava74, if you had acted a little faster you would have posted the 1000th post at 10:00.

Melvin

January 31st, 2012
10:17 am

Well I know its not MC fault if he’s not in Toronto. I think it would be kind of hard for him to write a blog on the team from ATL….

FIRE AJC and ASG….

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
10:18 am

MC!

Feed your blog peolpe! We’re so hungry, our stomach is rubbing our backbone. And, vava74 is hungry as a hostage.

Geemack

January 31st, 2012
10:19 am

Will the Hawks make a run at Chris Kaman?

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
10:23 am

LOL @ the troll again. I knew that if I just told the truth that he would show up to try and trash my blog handle. He’s sooooo predictable. LOL.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
10:23 am

Melvin, maybe he can make something up, you know – twist the facts like some on here do. LOL

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
10:28 am

Looks like the troll is playing with ITSELF again. Those internal conversations out loud must be stimulating somehow. LOL

vava74

January 31st, 2012
10:37 am

Najeh,

I tried but the site kept on saying that I was posting too fast! :-D

KevinM

January 31st, 2012
10:48 am

Has a blog ever lasted this long under MC’s supervision?

MC? C-Viv? Guys?

Anyway, getting ready for the Raptors tonight….is Bargnani back?

The Hawks look to win four times on a five-game trip for the first time in more than 40 years when they face the Toronto Raptors on Tuesday night.

This is very doable…quite an accomplishment, no matter the level of competition.

KevinM

January 31st, 2012
10:49 am

A different scoring stat other than Joe scoring 20 or more, which we are 10-2in those games:

“Big games from Teague usually bode well for the Hawks, who are 11-1 when he scores at least 13 points and 4-5 when he doesn’t.”

Hawks have won 5 in a row over the Raptors and they are bad at 2-5 at home this year.

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
10:51 am

I am not a Troll. In fact, I only agree with some of the things in this blog.

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
3:08 am

One other point, im sure most of you have never seen this name im using, Im not a troll, but im just acting like at troll. Its the Horford hater thats the troll. I dont think he gets it, We are sworn to defend Al, because he cant defend his self, (that self destructing muddeer fcker) neither can he defend the post. So you must understand Although it might seem like Im a troll, well this is actually a troll trap and Im a troll trapping Muddeer fcker.

Now back to my logic about how to best help Al keep a job.(did you see that mudder fcker self destruct? What the hell was he doing?)The best way to help Al keep a job is A)attach Josh. I know what you are thinking. Basketball Jones is a troll, and thats true, but attacking Josh will help because we have to get rid of somebody, Josh is the power forward and Al wants the position. I agree that he needs to be removed from the center spot cuz we cant have any more of that self destructing trick to avoid being traded chit from Al.So to make this work we need to convince the public that Josh is not working, then trade him, then put Al at the 4. I know its not going to be easy to convince the public but hey, do i look smart to you? Fck. Thats my point!

Also thats why Ive been talking with Bob Weiss about how to get this chit crackin. Bob and I have come up with a plan to spring OJ and put him and midcourt during the hawks next home game…. when Josh starts that fast brake chit me bob and OJ will be there…

I cant say too much because Hatter is watching.

Save the Whales!!

Save Al Horford!!

Melvin

January 31st, 2012
10:51 am

drmaryb,

You are right. Just throw us a bone. It’s not like we stay on topic anyhow… Speaking of, where is Smith, Leuer, Bogut? Haven’t seen him post since the Hawks beatdown the Bucks..

KevinM

January 31st, 2012
10:51 am

Bargnani calf strain and has been out 2 weeks…..doesn’t sound like there is a timetable for his return.

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
10:52 am

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
10:28 am

Looks like the troll is playing with ITSELF again. Those internal conversations out loud must be stimulating somehow. LOL

I am not talking to myself some one has stolen my ID.

CAN SOMEBODY

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
10:53 am

FIGURE THAT CHIT OUT?

KevinM

January 31st, 2012
10:55 am

SLB does not like this playground any more…..too much backlash but they did after all beat the Lakers, without Bogut and Leuer playing 5 min. He’ll be back..when Bogut returns from another injury.

Bigman needed

January 31st, 2012
11:11 am

Kevin M: Has a blog ever lasted this long under MC’s supervision?

MC? C-Viv? Guys?

Also no blog posted after hornets win. Is it a protest because ajc didnt let them travel on all the games on this trip.

vava74

January 31st, 2012
11:27 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
11:27 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
11:28 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
11:28 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
11:30 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
11:30 am

vava74

January 31st, 2012
11:31 am

KevinM

January 31st, 2012
11:32 am

Bigman, I’ve heard of those leave of absence vacations companies are pushing to take vacation for 2 weeks without pay…..wonder if that is what we have here?
The policies of the AJC treat the Hawks like there’s no interest in the team in this city. What kind of operation are we dealing with here?

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
11:42 am

Like I said, totally predictable. And boring.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
11:58 am

The AJC and ASKG have the same business model for success.

What we have here is: a failure to communicate. (in Bill Cosby’s voice). Oh well, besides DeRosen … the Raptors leave very little to talk about.

This game should be a cake walk, I surmise “The Replacements” could handle this game from start to finish and let zaza play 48 minutes to get some burn. Zaza has benefited the most from Horford going down and, has been fun to watch play.

Dwayne

January 31st, 2012
12:02 pm

Why does Atl. get no respect among the media “experts”, and I say that in jest. They are just 2 games out of the best record in the East? I hear Philly and Indiana as the dark horses.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
12:02 pm

Word Play!

…. besides DeRosen … the Raptors leave very little to talk about. (I said that)

DeRose-n (sic?) anyway … Can you see the similarity in DeRose-n’s name and DeRose’s game?

See what I did there?

Ray

January 31st, 2012
12:03 pm

Okay it seems this blog has gotten out of control since yesterday which is retarded.

Still though I’d rather us lay low on the trading anyone I don’t want Chris Kaman in fact I don’t want anyone from NO.

I’d rather our trade partners be the Kings and Wizards by the time the trade deadline comes around and even the offseason.

Reason being I’d like to get Mcgee from the Wizards probably will come with Blatche(don’t want), and maybe get Demarcus Cousins from the Kings possibly even Thompson.

I have a weird feeling that Josh will bolt on us to play with Dwight unless he Dwight comes here actually, but the only way Dwight comes here is if we get new ownership.

I know Cousins is a headcase, but I don’t think that’s the truth cause since they got that new coach over there haven’t heard much at all coming out of that area(Sacramento). Plus both him and Mcgee are young put them on a team like ours watch them excel to greater heights.

I think Jason Thompson would fit great here, and if we are left with Horford then we can dump Blatche for another SF.

This is assuming Marvin and Josh are gone everyone else would remain except maybe Collins.

Ray

January 31st, 2012
12:05 pm

@ Dwayne

Reason we get no respect because our ceiling is the 2nd round once Atlanta at least gets to the ECF then we can talk about that word.

Plus history has shown once the hawks gain that respect they seem to not know what to do with said respect.

Dwayne

January 31st, 2012
12:08 pm

i can agree with that….but philly and indiana have not done squat lately either….you ever wonder why the Hawks might look like if Avery J coached them? Respected head Coach might have given them a little more respect.

Dwayne

January 31st, 2012
12:08 pm

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
12:14 pm

Retardation!

“Okay it seems this blog has gotten out of control since yesterday which is retarded.” -Ray-
________

You mean retarded like you believing the Kings and Wizards are trading their best talent to Atlanta for our scrubs? Because we sure aren’t sending back anything they would want.

vava74

January 31st, 2012
12:16 pm

Ray

January 31st, 2012
12:21 pm

I don’t know we can talk about Mr. Avery J all day, but as it stands he’s not here, and LD I have to admit is actually growing as a coach so far it all depends on what happens this year if he’s here for the long haul or not.

One thing I do know is this year is a make or break for everyone included the 4 suppose Core players yes that does mean Marvin he might as well be.

Depending on how Josh Smith does the rest of this year he could be packing his bags too I’ve been a support and still will be, but sometimes he tries to do toooooo much and it’s very nerve racking.

Al Horford can’t say nothing cause he’s injured, but next year depending if we even get a good center soon. If he moves to PF and regress very badly or even stays the same in terms of stats he will be considered a little above average, but that’s about it.

Joe Johnson he’s basically like Jamal Crawford except with great defense, but also needs the ball in his hands to play on offense that’s one of his biggest problems I always notice.

Marvin well he’s just Marvin the duck whatever.

Ray

January 31st, 2012
12:25 pm

@ Drmaryb

I’m at least trying to throw out something besides a Kirk and Zaza for Kaman

Then reason I even mention both of them is because for one the Wizards have almost come out and said certain players are up for grabs it might not take as much to get Mcgee.

To get Cousins may take a bit, but it’s doable without giving too much like last year’s trade deadline decision. Plus the whole him being a headcase may cause him to look for other places to play.

vava74

January 31st, 2012
12:32 pm

Just Joe

January 31st, 2012
12:41 pm

This theory of Josh leaving to join Dwight Howard is hard for me to accept. Whoever signs Dwight, or retains Dwight, this summer, is going to immediately surround him with talent: Lakers (Kobe & Gasol), Nets (D Will), Dallas (D Will?? & Dirk), Bulls (Rose), Knicks (Melo) or whoever. Most of these teams will not have cap space. So, are we to believe that Josh is going to accept MLE money just to play with Dwight? I don’t see it happening. If Josh & Dwight want to play together, it is going to have to come about through trade(s).

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
12:44 pm

Ray

You do make some really good points. At least you are trying … Like you said Josh is trying to do too much. But like you, at least he IS trying … as mind numbing as he may be at times – he is trying.

The reverse, I guess would be, NOT trying, riding the bench, being a cancer or just being plain ole’ lazy.
I’ll take trying over that any day of the week. Besides, I Josh is traded … Who will even TRY to protect the rim and rebound, and dish dimes, excite the fans with highlight dunks, and score embodied – all in one person.

That’s a lot of trying to replace.

Melvin

January 31st, 2012
12:54 pm

Ray,

You bring up an interesting point in reference to Josh and Dwight joining the same team. I could see them in going to the Nets along with Deron. I think Nets will have cap space but not sure if they would have enough for the all three but i doubt if Josh gets a max contract. Maybe they could send the Hawks Lopez for Josh. Then we could move Al to PF and Lopez to C. Although I’m not a fan of sending Josh packing but that may not be such a bad deal for the Hawks.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
12:54 pm

Ray buddy, also I have no belief whatsoever that The ASKG and Sund will allow a blockbuster trade like Otis Smith did to his detriment to break up their bally-hooed core before the post season? Do you?

Sund made it clear that this is a make or break post season for these guys. Since they like drinking their own kool-aid … they are’nt gonna’ do squat! What did they do when Horford went down? That’s right: Nothing!

Even my Tequila bottle pours me a shot. If, they do anything at all, it won’t be until March’s trading deadline and, even then it will be nothing more than a drop in a bucket – never a splash!

I have no hopes and dreams of any trade big nor small. We may as well just stick to analyzing the wins and losses here.

Ray

January 31st, 2012
1:00 pm

@ DrMaryb

I know this is one of those far out there ideas, but I just went through the trade machine Sacramento and the hawks and at least for the trade machine they would take Josh plus we get Cousins and Thompson which Cousins reminds me a lot of Josh except well he’s exclusive to at least near the paint if you catch my drift he won’t get outside that area(hopefully).

Funny enough I gave Wizards Marvin they gave us Mcgee and Blatche(again don’t want lol).

Ray

January 31st, 2012
1:06 pm

@ Drmaryb

I’ve known of you guys for a while and agree with you Sund and ASKG are a piece of fine cut s***, but no matter how you slice it it’s still a piece of s***.

About that trade they say we stay about the same I found that one kind of funny cause I don’t believe that. Because we’ve seen Marvin enough to know that we get even just one good C whether it be Brook Lopez, Mcgee, or Cousins they’ll take what Marvin has done and triple that(okay at least double it).

KevinM

January 31st, 2012
1:13 pm

Ray, as much as I would like to agree with you, I know there is no way in hail that Sund can go out and get Cousins with what we have to offer.
We aren’t in a position where draft picks have a lot of value. Also, I watched the Kings/Jazz last week, and both Cousins and Thompson are playing together and Thompson was a focus of the offense. I don’t see either going anywhere. How to use Evans is their questionable asset.
For JaVale, I have thought of a couple of ways, but Rashard isn’t coming here (and it would take Rashard to get JM) and Al isn’t going to be traded. It would take Josh and our record with Wiz trades are average at best. That’s not to say I don’t like Kirk though. He is an asset this current year and we can use that salary elsewhere if needed this summer.
Remember, we’re talking about Sund, who believes the less the do, the best you do….

KevinM

January 31st, 2012
1:14 pm

If you’re considering trading Marvin, you better hurry up…..his stock in Feb is about to head back down.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
2:09 pm

Ray dear, all I can say for your effort is:

Nothing beats a failure but a try.
__________

KevinM honeybuns, I know they’re not EVEN gonna’ part ways with Cousins. They mad him top choice when they fired Coach Westfall, (how ironic : West and Fall) that’s where Paul was when he Fell.

Anyways, back to reality: the Hawks IS what is is. And, right now, that’s not to shabby. We just need a useful big man added. I’m sure Sund is dusting off something sitting on the couch right about now.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
2:13 pm

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
3:23 pm

@ a +.700 clip winning % betcha Gearon and Sund do nothing….

Nada,zero, zilch,doughnut….comprende?

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
3:24 pm

Now lets see how February pans out? This Month will get very interesting for sure…..

wordsmithtom

January 31st, 2012
3:31 pm

Dr. Mary, keep BOTH dem eyes on Sund if he’s on the couch.

DS

January 31st, 2012
3:36 pm

I wonder what it’d take to get Mozgov. Denver is crazy deep at the 5.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
4:10 pm

Steven A. Smith reporting: The Magic are talking to the Knicks about swapping D12 for Amare and Chandler!

Knicks need a point guard! Hurry back Baron Davis…….

Atlanta needs a Center! C’mon Sund get D12 in here yesterday!

Just Joe

January 31st, 2012
4:15 pm

The Magic sure do love them some bad contracts.

Big Lou

January 31st, 2012
4:21 pm

Would you guys stop dreaming? We are not going to sign D12.

doc

January 31st, 2012
4:29 pm

i wish the trade would godown so people in atl could get back to reality. he wants to be big time and atl is not the big apple, chi town or la. get over it.

Just Joe

January 31st, 2012
4:29 pm

If the Knicks get Dwight & Turkoglu for the broke-down, uninsurable Amare Stoudemire & the overpaid Tyson Chandler, when the Knicks have no draft picks in the near future to add, then there’s a conspiracy going on somewhere. That’s an awful deal for the Magic.

doc

January 31st, 2012
4:29 pm

boston isnt even on his list.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
4:30 pm

“I wonder what it’d take to get Mozgov. Denver is crazy deep at the 5.”

Even Koufos wouldn’t be a bad addition, and probably wouldn’t require giving up as much.

hawkfan

January 31st, 2012
4:54 pm

haha this magic fan getting desperate: Get T-Mac! He’s playing point forward right now. Defense is same with Nelson, but with height!
Otherwise, get Livingston. He still got some game left.
Height matters!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
5:06 pm

“Steven A. Smith reporting: The Magic are talking to the Knicks about swapping D12 for Amare and Chandler!”
_________

Funny thing is: I proposed the same trade yesterday early am: I had nothing better to do than to try and FIX the knicks. I made sense to me, I see someone else agreed.

It’s pretty obvious when you look at both those rosters.
Meanwhile, we “crack-babies” – we get nothing!

I wish mommy and daddy would put that pipe down. I’m beginning to see leprechauns now.

Did you see what I did there? LOL

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

January 31st, 2012
5:18 pm

*YAWN*

MARVIN AND HINRICH FOR KAMAN

Ray

January 31st, 2012
5:18 pm

@ Drmaryb

Well I’d rather try something other then this Kaman thing being tossed around.
It’s not that he’s a bad player, but it’s how much people are willing to give up just to get him that’s my main problem.

You guys don’t think the Wizards won’t part ways with Mcgee, but I’ve told you some of those guys are actually up for grabs because of all the problems up there.

As for the Kings I do agree that one will take a lot, but if Josh is packing his bags I say ship him and Marvin to Kings give us Thompson, Cousins, a little filler.

As for the Knicks they can’t be fixed they screwed the pooch over big time for that franchise. Where they messed up at was having both Amare and Melo on the team at the same time while you only have one legit defender in Chandler.

Ray

January 31st, 2012
5:21 pm

One more thing about Kaman people need to factor in what his age is before trying to give away Zaza so easily and even Kirk.

If we don’t do any trades though I’d rather us just bring back Benson at best what’s the worse he can really do and his first D-league stat line didn’t look so bad.

vava74

January 31st, 2012
5:22 pm

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
5:29 pm

Cutting Billups screwed the Knicks…Then B. Davis went down… They’ll get stable once Davis returns…

Ray

January 31st, 2012
5:35 pm

Honestly don’t Baron got it anymore not like those Clips days who knows he might pull a Mike Bibby rapid decline like what happened with us.

They might need to give Steve Nash a call just saying.

doc

January 31st, 2012
5:58 pm

too funny, just got a letter to all the season ticket holders explaining the scoreboard issue with an apology for the inconvenience. geez about a third of the home season is history bob williams sends this out? no clue.

slimj baron was down before he got there with his bad back issue. steve nash would correct a few of their issues for sure.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
5:59 pm

Yep, the Knicks need Nash more than they need D12….

Melvin

January 31st, 2012
6:04 pm

doc,

Did they say if the scoreboard is fix?

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
6:10 pm

Blogger of The Day!

Thay would be Ray. My buddy woke up this morning with a purpose.

“As for the Knicks they can’t be fixed they screwed the pooch over big time for that franchise. Where they messed up at was having both Amare and Melo on the team at the same time while you only have one legit defender in Chandler.”
_____________

Bam! you’re right. At least our big 3/4, (Teague) they all play stout on defense and offense. But, we can all hang our hats on their defense. Ken called it back in the Summer, Strickland is my choice for the most optimistic blogger of the decade!!

Hey Ken, I pray and hope you are feeling well thee days. Haven’t heard from you in a while, maybe you’ll post something tonight?

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
6:10 pm

* That would be Ray!

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
6:17 pm

Ball Security!

One thing I would like to see from Zaza and Marvin is ball security. Yep, the old football analogy of:

4 points of pressure. How hard can that be?
Focus fellas F O C U S. That alone should be worth 8 points per game. I do love seeing Zaza diving on the floor in the 50/50 game. I predict a cake-walk win tonight.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
6:24 pm

Doc did you see that insane Dunk by Griffin last night over that 7 footer? He came down from 12 feet with the windmill….Crazy ish!

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
6:26 pm

His vert has been measured close to 40 @ 6′10″? Wow….

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
6:27 pm

But Nigue in his prime measured close to 50 @ 6′8″!

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
6:31 pm

16-6 1st 22 games..Pretty good.. Got to turn around that 3-6 record against the winners though..

Need three straight wins against the winners to make it even at 6-6. Now that will be improvement!

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
6:33 pm

MC we need a new post for tonight’s game at 7pm?

Tmabry

January 31st, 2012
6:36 pm

Hawks fans make some noise!!

MC no new thread? this is odd now AJC is ignoring the Hawks just like ESPN!!

HAHA GO HAWKS!!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
6:36 pm

SlimJr!

Wow! What is 6′10″ + 40″ I’m too lazy to figure that one. All that explosiveness and he had micor-fracture surgery too?

Jamal Mashburn and Penny Hardaway were the first to have that procedure and they were finished because the technology was so new, they didn’t know how to rehabilitate the athlete patient.

Doc said, once they got the rehab protocol down, the come back rate is 100% except for: Gregg Oden. I have no idea what his problem is? One knee and then the other, I think he has that aging disease. Oden looked like he was 85 years old on draft night.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
6:41 pm

Yes DMB, Griffin was bless to be born 20 years later..Cause the technology has advanced and his body took to it! Not he jumps higher than he did in College….Awesome!

Vino

January 31st, 2012
6:41 pm

Mc you aight we need a new thread man don’t get me used to consistency and change up what up?????

Wouldn’t mind Kieth benson if not anything else you how hard it is to get a win on 2k with zaza/colins

Yup and Ivan Johnson ain’t even on the game damn!!!!!!!

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
6:42 pm

Greg Oden, just shaking my head…What a tough break for him. He had so much potential……Sad so Sad…..

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
6:44 pm

Toronto Game Thread: 7 PM Start Time!

1st AGain!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

doc

January 31st, 2012
6:54 pm

melvin, they said what was printed, i sent a note back to see if they could reinstall the wifi system they used for the cheesy message board texts they used to do.

slimj one of my patients told me about it and i saw it online about thirty minutes ago. huuuuge! even queen was marveling about it as his sunday was pretty good and number one for the year thus far. james abdicated the throne and declared blake number one and his number two on a tweet.

yes slimj, thanks for kicking off a new blog, just like your mentor big ray, heh heh.

check back later bro.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
6:56 pm

Hawk should blow this team off the floor tonight..Should be over by halftime..

Marvin and ZaZa should have a solid night…

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
6:58 pm

They are doing us dirty not giving us a new blog. Don’t have to be in Toronto to be able to update this page.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
7:01 pm

Gametime! Fox Sports: 884 on comcast!

doc

January 31st, 2012
7:01 pm

heh heh, just saw a few other notes. i was going to ask about oden and say i have suspected the premature aging illness and saw you had already covered. i remember that year when folks were trashing someone for saying he would always have problems because he had one leg shorter than the other about 3 inches or so. the guy was absolutely correct.

posture makes a huge difference in longevity for the athlete and anyone for that matter. that is what i see and i am sure dmb as well and try to encourage for folks to correct for health. they dont believe me for the most part. the ones that get better, follow the docs suggestions, others just blame the messenger. ;-)

so slimj, sit up at that computer dude, take a few healthy breaths too and dont get caught in too many “head” issues, especially with trolls.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:02 pm

Hope nothing happened to MC. No new blog. Nothing on his Twitter since the Detroit game either.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:05 pm

Well even if MC has the day off, if C-Viv is going to cover games, he might as well update the blog.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:05 pm

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
7:06 pm

Thats great advice Doc!

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:08 pm

Maybe the AJC didn’t want to go over the luxury tax, and instructed MC and C-Viv to limit their blogs.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:08 pm

Oh Well, LETS GO HAWKS!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:09 pm

^^Couldn’t even put up a veterans minimum blog, huh?

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:09 pm

It’s a shame that ATL is the newest hip-hop capital of the world, but Toronto has a much better opening intro than anything the Hawks have ever come up with.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:10 pm

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:10 pm

That opening sucked to me

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:10 pm

As much as I criticize the Hawks’ in game music, I’ll take the drumline over anything by Young Money.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
7:10 pm

WTH! Page 22! My blackberry can’t keep up and my brand new laptop is tripping with the wifi connection.

Put up a NEW BLOG damnit!!!!!!!!!!!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:11 pm

Don’t get ahead of yourself Nique.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:12 pm

Raptors starting Calderon and Bayless at the guards. Whomever Bayless guards should PUNISH that dude.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:12 pm

Neva was into shaking hands before the game

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:12 pm

Keep it going Marvin!

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:13 pm

Marvin picking it up

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
7:13 pm

Marvin is hot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shooting 50% from THREE land…

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:13 pm

Ring it up AGAIN Marvin

NOTE: Marvin is 9 for his last 14 from 3 point range.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
7:13 pm

Josh dont shoot!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:14 pm

Way to crash the boards Joe.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:14 pm

Damn, that crowd is quiet.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:15 pm

And… there goes Marvin blowing another potential assist.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:15 pm

LOL @ the raptor announcers repeating the Jeff Teague 13 point stat. Somebody has been reading the blog.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
7:15 pm

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:15 pm

Marv stay out the paint, still rolling on the floor of that missed dunk saturday

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:16 pm

Marvin stuffing the stat sheet. Rod is rolling over in his grave right now.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
7:16 pm

Marvin is gonna’ shoot Vlad out of a job! Zaza wearing a calf sleeve on his left leg, didn’t he have a season ending calf injury on that international team?

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:17 pm

JJ finally getting a superstar call?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:17 pm

Teague drawing the attention and dishing to the open man. Keep letting him create

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
7:18 pm

Marvin WTF dont be afraid in the paint!

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:18 pm

And… there’s Zaza’s first blown assist of the game.

Ray

January 31st, 2012
7:19 pm

Marvin playing hot only real problem it’s coming against bottom dweller teams see what happens in the next coming weeks first before I say anything.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:19 pm

Good ball movement on that possession . . regardless of the result

J.J.M.

January 31st, 2012
7:19 pm

zaza cant catch for nothin

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
7:19 pm

Hands of stone! Worst i have ever seen….

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
7:21 pm

February is waiting for Mavin to step up against the winners for sure…..

J.J.M.

January 31st, 2012
7:21 pm

zaza is the reason the raptors have tied the game

MattP

January 31st, 2012
7:21 pm

Zaza ruined the energy with bad hands.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:21 pm

Lazy transition defense.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
7:21 pm

You know it’s time to come home when you run out of clean draws, shirts and a neck tie!

Zaza! F O C U S on The 4 points of pressure – ball security is a basketball F U N D A M E N T A L.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:21 pm

Should be able to get to the paint easily, finishing is the issue

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:22 pm

By the way, Zaza has a higher postseason turnover rate than Chris Kaman over the last three seasons.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:24 pm

Raptors fans still boo T-Mac? It’s been like 13 years…

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:25 pm

Come on guys . . cut down on all of these silly turnovers.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:26 pm

DEBO checking into the game.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:26 pm

Damn T-Mac with a beautiful pass

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:26 pm

Sweet pass & finish

Wild Boy

January 31st, 2012
7:27 pm

Yeah, I’m not so sure this team can survive Feb.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:27 pm

T-Mac throws the deep ball better than Matt Ryan

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:30 pm

If not for that 3 second violation, that would have been a great drive and dish by Josh…

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:30 pm

Damn that 3 sec

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:30 pm

Kirk is doing nothing on either end of the floor.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:30 pm

Matty Ice = Vanilla Ice, well until he wins some playoff games.

Vino

January 31st, 2012
7:31 pm

Good pass though by tmac

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:31 pm

Ivan can’t be giving up offensive boards to Amir Johnson when his only purpose is to be an energy guy.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:34 pm

Joe was WIDE open on that 3.

Kind of a sloppy quarter, but if they cut down on turnovers they should comfortably win.

MattP

January 31st, 2012
7:35 pm

We need a another big, atleast bring in a DLeague guy that works in the post and rebounds.

atlantadeepdirtybench

January 31st, 2012
7:35 pm

Atl with 3 of the top 10 3 point % shooters.
3rd Marvin
7th Teague
8th Green

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
7:35 pm

Should have been up by 10. Josh looks tired to me, he has played his heart out. All these games are catching up to us fellas.

We have played more than any other team so far. We need ’bout 3 days off in a row with no practices yawl.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:35 pm

Good qtr other than a couple of bad transition D, cut down on the turnovers also, keep going to the paint all night long.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:37 pm

Kirk gets burned on the screen by Calderon. The only thing Kirk does better than Teague is getting around screens, and he’s not even doing that well in this game. And yet Teague got taken out after 7 minutes and Kirk has been in since.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:37 pm

C’mon Kirk, gotta bring more than what your giving me

Sautee

January 31st, 2012
7:38 pm

Something is missing tonight.

Doug

January 31st, 2012
7:38 pm

Watch MC come back saying he had a cold or that he left his bags in the cab by mistake, which caused days worth of non-activity on the blog

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:38 pm

Time for Pargo or Teague

Big Lou

January 31st, 2012
7:39 pm

Kirk is getting destroyed on D.

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
7:39 pm

“NBA.com released their weekly “Power Rankings” on Monday morning, and the Atlanta Hawks made the biggest jump up the ladder by moving from 10th to fourth.”

It seems that this team is a much better core without Al. The cohesion has been phenomenal. They haven’t missed Al at all.

Which begs the question why spend any more time trying to develop Al who is turning out to be not not only injury prone but a problem in the locker room. finally Al doesn’t like playing his position and when asked about the possibility of being traded remarked ” I think that will be very interesting. ”

Since Al has injured himself and left the locker room the spirit among the hawks players has risen. starting out at 7-5 with Al the Hawks have run 8-2 with out Al leading to the rise in the polls and the opinion of the experts.

http://hawksbasketblog.com/2012/01/31/turning-skeptics-into-believers/

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:40 pm

Nice charge taken by Ivan. He’s done a good job of drawing offensive fouls.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:40 pm

Ivan drawing charges now? Look at em

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:41 pm

Ok LD, Teague is ready to go

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:41 pm

Teague replaces Kirk, thank God.

I’ll say it again — Pargo as backup PG > Ivan and Collins at backup C

The obvious move is to trade Kirk for a big man.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:41 pm

3rd turnover for T-Mac. Way too careless with the ball tonight.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:42 pm

Keep moving the ball. Vlad hasn’t hit a 3 yet but he has played well.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:43 pm

T-Mac sayin “This Is Still My House”

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
7:43 pm

Teague should have pass to Tmac but was hogging the ball. Shot a brick then He makes a very very stupid foul.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:43 pm

Pretty steal and floater by Teague. Spud Webb-esque

MattP

January 31st, 2012
7:45 pm

Najeh Davenpoop,

I agree, Pargo needs to be the backup PG because we need a Center more. Pargo and McGrady also run the 2nd unit well together.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:46 pm

Teague is getting a hell of a lot better at finishing.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:46 pm

LD coolin off Joe now.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:47 pm

Josh throwing some Kurt Kittner passes in this first half…

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
7:48 pm

Teague is a ball hog and put the hawks out of sync . We should be blowing this team out. Teague is not very smart

Big Lou

January 31st, 2012
7:48 pm

Stupid turnovers. Sloppy.

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

January 31st, 2012
7:48 pm

should be blowin these guys out

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:48 pm

Wow . . another turnover. Smith 4 . . T-Mac 3

Ray

January 31st, 2012
7:48 pm

@ Wild Boy

As far as I’m concerned this team can and will survive they’ve da** near beaten up on the suppose top 2 teams that’s going to be in the ECF this year, and I’m sure they’ll handle Orlando and Boston it’s just Pacers and 76ers that worry me for the east crown surprisingly.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:48 pm

Marvin on FIRE

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:49 pm

Road trip kinda showing tonight, but still beat these guys

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:49 pm

Joe is going to get whatever he wants as long as he can post up Bayless.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:49 pm

LOL . . Marvin is a corner 3 sharpshooter now. . . wow

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
7:50 pm

Teage and Al for Dwight Howard!!

Do it Now!!

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:50 pm

Bayless guarding JJ = no chance for Bayless

Wild Boy

January 31st, 2012
7:52 pm

Ray, they also lost to the Heat without wade and lebron and collapsed in epic fashion against chicago. they got killed by over 500 teams like the pacers, sixers AND rockets, spurs. Anything can happen, but I dont see them doing to well in Feb.

atlantadeepdirtybench

January 31st, 2012
7:52 pm

Marvin automatic from 3!
Shooting 52% now

Rob

January 31st, 2012
7:52 pm

No blog tonight? Oh well this will do. Im in Hawaii and i got league pass, its great when I can hear Nique and Bob Rathbun

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
7:52 pm

Teague needs to stop with the ball hogging and learn how to play in sync. He is not a very bright.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:52 pm

I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself, but Marvin is doing his best Shane Battier impression.

Ray

January 31st, 2012
7:53 pm

@ Busta Rhymes

You just busted your last rhyme with that trade idea GTFO!

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:53 pm

Stuff the stat sheet Marvin

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:53 pm

Way to go Teague

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
7:53 pm

The Replacements!

Nice

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

January 31st, 2012
7:53 pm

lol raps trash

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:54 pm

That Raptors logo below the rim trips me out, keep forgetting that is 3-D

Rob

January 31st, 2012
7:54 pm

MArvin getting BIG!

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

January 31st, 2012
7:54 pm

Marvin gettin’ tough?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:55 pm

Josh caught that in the paint with a chance to go up and get fouled, and passed it out to Joe. Sometimes it’s possible to be too unselfish…

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
7:55 pm

Boston struggling with Cleveland

Vino

January 31st, 2012
7:55 pm

We need to get as big of a lead as we can cause you know we melt in the third for some reason??

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:55 pm

Poor Jeff, still gets no love from the refs…

Basketball Jones

January 31st, 2012
7:56 pm

Gee, I wonder where Jeff learned to bark at the refs?

Hghi-Tech Lynching

January 31st, 2012
7:56 pm

I can’t believe it. Marvin is actually contributing again?

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
7:56 pm

The only thing this blog moderator has done since Sunday was, increase the blog counter past 1000 posts.

FIRE THE MODERATOR!

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
7:56 pm

Ray does that mean you dont like my trade Ideal? Im sorry you feel that way.

Ray

January 31st, 2012
7:57 pm

@ Wild Boy

I’m only talking about East teams the west teams can scare us in the FINALS! lol

I already said the two teams I’m more worried about is Pacers and Sixers cause both starting to come into their own.

Bulls are not as great as people think they are and the Heat well we know how to stop them lol.

As for Spurs and Rockets(probably a fluke game never know it was early in the short season) They could be a problem, but again won’t know until the finals.

atlantadeepdirtybench

January 31st, 2012
7:58 pm

Busta Rhymes = sad Teague hater!!!

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:58 pm

@Rob

If your in Hawaii why aren’t you hangin out and enjoying the beach or anything, gotta love your FanHood.

High-Tech Lynching

January 31st, 2012
7:58 pm

Joe is ballin’ tonight.

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

January 31st, 2012
7:58 pm

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
7:59 pm

Teague needs to stop hogging the ball. We should be up 15 now but teague is not a court general just a ball hog.

Thats a great trade Teague and Al for Howard. Why the hatred like “trash” and “GTFO” such passion. Gentlemen whats up with that ?

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
7:59 pm

Great look by Teague to Marvin.

yodaddybrother

January 31st, 2012
7:59 pm

Marvin dominating….was up with the 3D crap?

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
7:59 pm

Damn, I see Kirk getting ready to check in

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
7:59 pm

Great defense by JJ . . great pass by Teague . . great finish by Marvin

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:00 pm

Damn what kind of blog site is this. I dont like the way teague plays now im a teague hater… wtf is a teague hater?

Ray

January 31st, 2012
8:00 pm

@ Busta Rhyme

You think thank goodness you’re not a GM you’d be just like the Governer of MS pardoning those prisoners.

Teague and Al for Dwight as much as we need a C I wouldn’t give up both of them just for someone who’s a rental at best.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:00 pm

Nice cut by Joe, and good to see Josh finally connect on a pass.

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

January 31st, 2012
8:00 pm

High-Tech Lynching

January 31st, 2012
8:00 pm

Joe Johnson will be an All-Star again this year.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:01 pm

ISO with 21! Smokin Joe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Lou

January 31st, 2012
8:01 pm

Lmao JJ. Why not?

Vino

January 31st, 2012
8:01 pm

Joe is going off boi!!!!!!!!

yodaddybrother

January 31st, 2012
8:01 pm

2 for 1…smart 3 by Joe Johnson

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:01 pm

A hater is someone who looks to criticize for the sake of criticizing with no factual basis.

Teague is playing great.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
8:01 pm

Busta,

1st off Dwight doesn’t want to play for the Hawks, 2nd, we finally get a PG and you want to give him away for a guy that won’t sign an extenstion???

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
8:01 pm

HEAT MUTHAPHUCKIN CHECK!!!

Bigman needed

January 31st, 2012
8:02 pm

Ajc, mc where is the game blog? What is this?

phil

January 31st, 2012
8:02 pm

I hear a win tonight makes this the first 4-1 road trip for us since december 1968….

That’s sad.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:02 pm

Teague= Da Blur! Best Hawk point guard since Mookie!

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:02 pm

Teague is a ball hog and just dont get it. His hogging is whats putting the hawks out of sync. We should be up 15-20 against these guys but instead it a close game

bigdave

January 31st, 2012
8:03 pm

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:03 pm

Oh say it aint so JOE

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:03 pm

JaeEvolution

January 31st, 2012
8:03 pm

Bustin they ass!!

MattP

January 31st, 2012
8:03 pm

JJ is on fire!

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
8:03 pm

Joe might score 40 tonight!

Joe 3!!!!!!!!!! 24 points.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:03 pm

with the 40 footer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Big Lou

January 31st, 2012
8:03 pm

Haha JJ! I’m loving that stuff!!

Vino

January 31st, 2012
8:03 pm

I’m going to the Memphis game nough said
Go joe

Mac-Town (#maconchevyrider)

January 31st, 2012
8:03 pm

This is a nice lil stretch Joe been on….please keep this up

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
8:04 pm

wooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Sautee

January 31st, 2012
8:04 pm

Too bad the half had to end. JJ ballin’.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:04 pm

Math problem of the day.

What is 56-37?

Answer: 19

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
8:04 pm

Teague is obviously the biggest reason we are a top EC team, you rather go back to Bibby that couldn’t play D, run the O or hit open shots??

yodaddybrother

January 31st, 2012
8:04 pm

Joe Johnson is earning his money this year……Should be a starter on the All Star team so far….too bad he doesn’t have a lot of fans

Melvin

January 31st, 2012
8:04 pm

Dang Joe, don’t do them like that… Then again, break them off proper….

phil

January 31st, 2012
8:04 pm

Wow.

Fire LD?

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:04 pm

Luke Cage I dont call getting Dwight Howard by trading teague a give a way. Any body in their right mind makes that trade. Whats with all the hate, is this site like a cult or something?

bigdave

January 31st, 2012
8:04 pm

joe put up a stretch like this in January’s past..

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 31st, 2012
8:05 pm

Joe might need to do one of those Pro-Activ commercials.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:05 pm

I wish I was in ATL on Thursday, so I could hit up that game against Memphis and get me some Taco Mac gift cards. Tony Allen will be the toughest defender Joe has seen in weeks, though.

phil

January 31st, 2012
8:05 pm

Joe is killing this team….

:-)

Melvin

January 31st, 2012
8:06 pm

Hopefully Joe will shoot like this on Thursday as well….

Bigman needed

January 31st, 2012
8:06 pm

High-Tech Lynching
January 31st, 2012
8:00 pm

Joe Johnson will be an All-Star again this year.

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And im gonna say this: best 2 guard in the league

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:06 pm

Luke Cage Where you get your weed at? You know that stuff is illegal right?

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:07 pm

Coach brought in Hinrich with 4mins left in the 1st Quarter and guess what happened? We got slow and started walking the ball up court!

Thats on Larry not Teague..Hinrich kept the game close..Teague came back in with 9mins left in the 2nd Qtr and guess what? The pace picked up and so did the lead increase….C’mon man…..

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:07 pm

I hope they step on their throats to start the 3rd and we see Stackhouse get a good 15 minutes of playing time.

phil

January 31st, 2012
8:08 pm

UK killing UT at Corrupt Arena…

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

January 31st, 2012
8:08 pm

8:02: “We should be up 15-20 against these guys but instead it a close game”

8:03: Halftime score: Hawks 56 Raptors 37

Maybe it’s the New Math, LOL.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
8:09 pm

yodaddybrother

January 31st, 2012
8:04 pm

Joe Johnson is earning his money this year……Should be a starter on the All Star team so far….too bad he doesn’t have a lot of fans

*******************

Too bad most of the people who don’t like JJ, reside in Georgia.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:11 pm

I dont understand why All NBA has more fans than ISO?

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
8:11 pm

JJ scored 8 points in 50 seconds.

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:11 pm

Thats because Teague quit ball hoggin and let JJ do his thing. You are only proving my point. Teague is a third or fourth option. If he gives the ball to the stars we win this going away. When teague is hoggin he disrupts the flow. Most teams will let teague beat you rather than JJ or Josh.

Your math proves my point.

Vino

January 31st, 2012
8:11 pm

Would you trade rose for Dwight so why would you trade Teague for him at least Teague wants to be here and play for a winner unlike Orlando Brooklyn Dallas and the rest of his giant fantasies!!

HaWks

Bigman needed

January 31st, 2012
8:12 pm

Najeh Davenpoop
January 31st, 2012
8:07 pm

I hope they step on their throats to start the 3rd and we see Stackhouse get a good 15 minutes of playing time.

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15 minutes of run for stack? U know u have dominated!

Rod from College Park

January 31st, 2012
8:13 pm

Wish Joe could get on a roll like this in the playoffs like most 20 million dollar players do.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:13 pm

Trippin on Da Blur….Now thats funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:16 pm

Rod, remember Woody would wear ISO out cause he was always the leader or top 5 in mins played..

Come playoff time dude is tired..Worn out..But he came to play…

phil

January 31st, 2012
8:16 pm

Joe can’t and won’t….

Wishin won’t make it so.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:16 pm

“JJ scored 8 points in 50 seconds.”

T-Mac is unimpressed.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
8:16 pm

Well. . .JJ technically only makes 18 million this year, so . ..

yodaddybrother

January 31st, 2012
8:17 pm

@northcyde

It’s the contract we don’t like and it’s not his fault it’s ASG signing that long a$$ expensive contract. It’s not worse than Jon Contract Koncak but it’s pretty bad.

Joe Johnson #3 SG in the league easily (Kobe & Wade…gotta give them that respect).

phil

January 31st, 2012
8:17 pm

Speaking of Corrupt, Romney over Ginggrinch…

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:17 pm

Best point guard by far since Mookie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

6th in the NBA in Steals and hes only going to get better!

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:18 pm

Teage has 6 pts and is being compared Rose. Yall smoking some crack

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
8:19 pm

yodaddy . . . JJ’s contract has not hampered the Hawks up to this point. People are worried about what he’ll make in years 5 and 6, when those years are 2 and 3 years away.

Rob

January 31st, 2012
8:19 pm

Wow nice link Najeh TMAC was a beast

atlantadeepdirtybench

January 31st, 2012
8:19 pm

Second half game plan:
Play starters first ten minutes and extend the lead, then bench.
Get KH some playing time to shake the rust.
Get Vlad shooting out of his funk.

northcyde

January 31st, 2012
8:19 pm

3 and 4 years away . . . my bad

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:19 pm

The appropriate people to blame for Joe’s contract are Sund and the DASG. He is overpaid but that is not his fault. If he is going to be criticized, he should be criticized when he doesn’t play well, not for the amount of money he makes. Dude isn’t even the most overpaid #2 in Atlanta.

phil

January 31st, 2012
8:19 pm

But not better looking…..ugly dude.

Rod from College Park

January 31st, 2012
8:19 pm

Slimjr,

I hope that is what it was. If he got hot like this in the playoffs, we might be in the finals.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:20 pm

If Hinrich played Teague’s mins. it would be tied!

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
8:20 pm

Busta,

Not hating, just don’t agree with it. If Dwight was down to sign an extension then by all means get D12, if he doesn’t agree to one then I would just back away.

Hate to go back in time when we traded Nique & a 1st for that clown Danny Manning and he bolted at the end of the year.

yodaddybrother

January 31st, 2012
8:21 pm

@Najeh

In his prime and before the injuries T-Mac > Kobe

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:21 pm

Lack of energy to start the half. Nobody crashing the boards on offense or rotating on D.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
8:21 pm

Also Busta,

Teague had to rot on the bench for 2 years and is blossoming into a good PG thats only going to get better.

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:21 pm

JJ took over and blew the game open, has 24 pts and yall singing teagues praises and he has 6 pts. Its something unhealthy about that .

yodaddybrother

January 31st, 2012
8:22 pm

It’s mandatory that Drew calls a timeout before the 10 minute mark in the 3rd quarter. It’s so commonplace now.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:22 pm

“In his prime and before the injuries T-Mac > Kobe”

It was at least a valid argument for a few years. That one season he had when he scored like 32 points per game and carried an ATROCIOUS roster to the playoffs single-handedly is one of the best seasons I’ve seen anyone play.

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:23 pm

another ball hogging lose ball error from teague.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:24 pm

Nice play by LD coming out of the timeout to get Joe the ball in a position to get an easy shot.

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:24 pm

Luke Cage at least you have calmed down., hey, is this place a cult or something?

yodaddybrother

January 31st, 2012
8:25 pm

call out the pick ZaZa

and Aaron Gray is still in the league?????????????

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:25 pm

Problem with Hawks, Joe was head and shoulders better than anybody else on this team. So he was on an island by himself..His teamates would fail him badly in the playoffs…Dont blame Joe, balme Billy Genius Knight and Sund…………………..Mostly Knight!

Where WAS ALL NBA in these playoff run????????????????????????????????

Invisible…………………………Crickets…………………………..

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:26 pm

see what I mean teague is a ball hog. He doesnt distribute He turns the hawks to a every man for himself game.

J.J.M.

January 31st, 2012
8:26 pm

josh has no touch around the rim unless its a dunk…

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
8:26 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:27 pm

Maybe Zaza should shoot every layup from behind his head.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:27 pm

nice dish TEAGUE!! Let’em motivate!

High-Tech Lynching

January 31st, 2012
8:27 pm

Z-Pack [Zaza] with the over-the-shoulder layup!

Vino

January 31st, 2012
8:27 pm

You right after Kobe wade who else is their???

And joe is going to be able to play at a high level for a long time by the way that he plays the game good deal on the contract!

Better playoffs this year for him/ best bench in years naw not years THE LEAUGE

Big Lou

January 31st, 2012
8:28 pm

Nique – Majoc Johnson like shot.

Oh, I see what you did there. Haha.

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:28 pm

Finally a ;pass set up from teague

Najeh Davenpoop

January 31st, 2012
8:28 pm

Just take the 3 Marvin

Big Lou

January 31st, 2012
8:29 pm

WTF Hawks. Playing stupid right now.

Luke Cage

January 31st, 2012
8:30 pm

Teague shoulda went to Joe with a injured player on him

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:31 pm

Marvin your game is not dribble drive stop and pop…Dont do what you dont do in practice….

Sautee

January 31st, 2012
8:31 pm

Hey t-s, are you still high on Aaron Gray?

Busta Rhymes

January 31st, 2012
8:31 pm

Teague hogging ball goes the other way and the rapture are back in it. This is team weve beat 5 straight times.

Im just saying teague needs to concentrate more on distributing than hogging. Thats why hinrich is better.

Slimjr

January 31st, 2012
8:31 pm