Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 107, Pistons 101 (OT)

Auburn Hills, Mich. –This was similar to the Milwaukee game: Awful start, great finish. “I wish it could be a little earlier,” Josh Smith said. “I would rather have the lead than try to claw back into it and do it the way we did it. But a win is a win. I’ll take it.”

  • The Hawks did it behind Joe Johnson’s 28 points after halftime. There are times when Johnson doesn’t have it and focuses on drawing doubles and swinging the ball. This time, he just kept doing his thing until he found his rhythm.
  • “The second half I just wanted to be aggressive,” he said. “It was do or die. We had to put up or shut up. Guys came out and made big plays and gave ourselves a chance in overtime. I just wanted to validate that and be aggressive and make plays not only for myself but my teammates.”
  • For the second time in three games Larry Drew didn’t take Joe out after halftime (Josh didn’t get a break, either). “You have got to understand where he’s coming from when you’ve got a guy who is getting into a rhythm, rolling, getting other guys involved, knocking down shots,” Joe said. “You do want to ride him, regardless of who it is. Tonight I was that guy. I told the guys to be ready.”
  • Joe’s steal and tying 3-pointer were just two of several big plays for the Hawks down the stretch. Marvin Williams, Kirk Hinrich, and Josh Smith all made important 3-pointers as Detroit stumbled.
  • Marvin’s 3 late in regulation came after a sweet sequence in which Joe attracted a double and swung the ball to Hinrich (who was frantically waving his hands) who then whipped it to Marvin in the corner. Even thought he had it rolling, Joe became a playmaker when the Hawks needed it.
  • “It was kind of a carbon copy of the Milwaukee game,” Drew said. “He struggled the first half but I elected to ride him in the second half to see if he could play his way out of it. He had some bounce in his step.”
  • It hardly mattered that Josh was missing Js since he also earned eight free throws (making six) and had 11 rebounds, eight assists (against one turnover) and three blocked shots. Like everyone else save for Tracy McGrady, he was much better after halftime than before.
  • It’s been a while since Jeff Teague was this passive. He didn’t seem interested in attacking the basket and, like at Milwaukee, sometimes dribbled wildly into traffic. Teague didn’t provide much defensive energy, either.
  • Drew didn’t have an update on Teague’s sprained left ankle and I didn’t see Teague in the locker room. “I thought he was going to be able to go back in,” Drew said.
  • Hinrich replaced Teague with 3:48 left in the third and didn’t come back out. “I was just gassed,” he said. “I just didn’t have any legs. Offensively, I think I’ve got a little ways to go obviously.”
  • Hinrich couldn’t find his shot but he had nine assists, including five over the final quarter and OT. Five of his assists resulted in scores within six feet of the basket and two others led to 3s.
  • Hinrich also took some pressure off Joe defensively. “He played with a lot of intensity, a lot of energy,” Drew said. “He got on the floor for some loose balls. He gave us a big lift.”
  • Not a strong game for Drew as far as feeling out who needs minutes when (riding Joe notwithstanding). T-Mac was one of the few guys to have going early but Drew sat him for Marvin (he’s still not playing them together). McGrady appeared to be laboring late but Drew waited a while before putting Marvin back in. And Drew was back to using Jason Collins in a major role (16 minutes).
  • It seems like Drew is getting quicker with pulling out Ivan Johnson when he misses jump shots.
  • Marvin came off the bench and made the big 3-pointer but Drew sent him in for defense. “I wanted to get more active defensively and they were scoring with posting [Greg] Monroe,” Drew said. “We were going to double team him and getting into rotations, and I wanted someone a little more mobile out there.”
  • Marvin played 35 minutes and delivered with his best game in a while: season-high 22 points on nine shots and eight rebounds.
  • Zaza Pachulia was jumper happy early (just two free-throw attempts) but started cutting to the basket late. Defensively he’s rarely out of position. He’s not athletic enough to get to all those shots he challenges but he’s by far Atlanta’s best healthy center.
  • More evidence of Atlanta’s lack of depth in the front court: Monroe, Jason Maxiell and even Austin Daye gave the Hawks problems in the paint. There were times the Hawks cross-matched Josh on Monroe and Twin on Maxiell. That’s just not a good situation.
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    Najeh Davenpoop

    January 27th, 2012
    11:51 pm

    “More evidence of Atlanta’s lack of depth in the front court: Monroe, Jason Maxiell and even Austin Daye gave the Hawks problems in the paint. There were times the Hawks cross-matched Josh on Monroe and Twin on Maxiell. That’s just not a good situation.”

    GET A DAMN BIG MAN SUND

    Grandmaster JeJe

    January 27th, 2012
    11:56 pm

    Hinrich replaced Teague with 3:48 left in the third and didn’t come back out. “I was just gassed,” he said. “I just didn’t have any legs. Offensively, I think I’ve got a little ways to go obviously.”
    ***

    no, his defense has a ways to go. His defense on Knight was an egregious manifestation of putrid display

    Najeh Davenpoop

    January 27th, 2012
    11:56 pm

    As long as Detroit continues to be as offensively challenged as they are, they should use this song for their player intros.

    Slimjr

    January 27th, 2012
    11:57 pm

    “Drew didn’t have an update on Teague’s sprained left ankle and I didn’t see Teague in the locker room. “I thought he was going to be able to go back in,” Drew said.
    Hinrich replaced Teague with 3:48 left in the third and didn’t come back out. “I was just gassed,” he said. “I just didn’t have any legs. Offensively, I think I’ve got a little ways to go obviously.”

    Hope Teague gets back quickly! Hinrich stepped up….Good job…

    Grandmaster JeJe

    January 27th, 2012
    11:58 pm

    Why does ASG pay Sund? After the season starts, he doesn’t do anything.

    He made one lateral move to get Kirk. He has made two trades in 4 years

    Hey northcyde, how’s your boy JoCraw doing?

    Slimjr

    January 27th, 2012
    11:58 pm

    Hinrich with 9 assist! good job.. He’s still rusty but contributed!

    Grandmaster JeJe

    January 27th, 2012
    11:59 pm

    Why can Pargo not get minutes? Is his defense THAT bad?

    Slimjr

    January 28th, 2012
    12:01 am

    Sund will get an extension if the club is not sold..Just watch….

    Mike

    January 28th, 2012
    12:05 am

    Hey MC,

    Thoughts on Kaman? Hornets are actively shopping him. What can we offer them?

    Rufus1

    January 28th, 2012
    12:06 am

    I am glad the Hawks didn’t hire Mark Jackson..

    UGA

    January 28th, 2012
    12:11 am

    Minnesota, Milwaukee and tonight are all games we were lucky to win………….let’s win Sunday in New Orleans. And let’s admit it people, Marvin ain’t worth the money he makes, but without him we lose tonight!!!!!!!!

    sturt

    January 28th, 2012
    12:16 am

    1. MC… Wouldn’t a legit rebounding free agent center plus Hinrich be better than anything you could get for Hinrich in trade? I know of one who played last season in POR and CHA. Injury-prone, sure. But in a shorter season, seems less risky.

    2. ESPN trade machine says Kaman can only be obtained with an 1 for 1… so, while I like Kaman, it seems the new CBA will only allow that to happen if you’re willing to give up Josh. (Al is BYC.)

    Rev in Tampa

    January 28th, 2012
    12:17 am

    “egregious manifestation of putrid display”

    I like to use this line in one of my sermons but integrity demands that I give it proper attribution. I can imagine the looks on people’s faces when I say, “As Grandmaster JeJe says…”.

    sturt

    January 28th, 2012
    12:19 am

    Who grades a GM according to the quantity of moves he makes?

    Sometimes the best move is no move… as much as some Hawks fans, in particular, probably detest that point.

    Grandmaster JeJe

    January 28th, 2012
    12:31 am

    Thx Rev.

    And sturt is wrong. We have kept same lame core all these yrs and won nothing

    Falcon Jedi

    January 28th, 2012
    12:36 am

    Without a solid BIG Center… this team will fail in the playoffs again

    Grandmaster JeJe

    January 28th, 2012
    12:37 am

    Smh @ Bogut.

    See u all on the blog on SUNDay, pplz

    Melvin

    January 28th, 2012
    12:38 am

    Got the win and now its on to N.O….

    Section 303

    January 28th, 2012
    12:40 am

    I can’t really fault Drew for his player rotations tonight. The entire team looked off/flat from the start. They found some gas late and really got rolling in the OT. But, on the whole, this was an off the night. Hawks just found a way to pull this one out.

    They have to get past coming out so flat. They got away with it agains the T-Wolves, Bucks, Pistons. Did not against San Antonio on Wednesday.

    I heard Jalon Rose say that he throws everything out the window with this 66-game season. The games come in waves and he thinks guys are going to be missing their legs on several nights. I guess that’s true…Hawks are pretty much playing every other night from here on out.

    Win is a win….I was sure they would lose. I still think they deserved to lose, really.

    I have been thinking of riding the Josh Smith for All Star train, but he was not good tonight. His final stat line looks solid, but his poor shot selection almost killed any chance of a win tonight. The early in the shot clock jumper he took, right before the Marvin and Joe 3’s, just drove me nuts.

    O'Brien

    January 28th, 2012
    12:46 am

    Happy for the win. Still plenty of room for improvement, but JJ was Superman in the second half, and carried us home (despite LD). And props to Marvin tonight. I think LD is making it harder to get a good read on him because his substitution pattern for Marvin is very consistent, regardless of how Marvin is playing.

    Hawks need a big.

    O'Brien

    January 28th, 2012
    12:48 am

    How about them Magic? They scored 56 in a loss at Boston earlier in the week. And then they blow a 27 point lead to Boston at home. And then…they lose by 26 points to the worst team in the Western conference. Ouch.

    I wonder what Orlando fans are saying on their blogs.

    Joe

    January 28th, 2012
    12:49 am

    Thank goodness the Hawks can beat these 2nd tier teams, however beating 1t’s is a diff story. Glad we are not the Knicks. Josh needs a shock collar for whenever he chucks one up from more than 15ft, but no one on the Hawks seems 2 have the ba!!s 2 say anything . Oh well.

    GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

    O'Brien

    January 28th, 2012
    12:50 am

    northcyde,

    I saw it on nola.com that the Hornets coach wants to give Okafor more time to get in rhythym, and he wants to give their young bigs more PT, so Kaman will see reduced minutes.

    Therefore, the reason Kaman is DNPCD may not have anything to do with a trade.

    O'Brien

    January 28th, 2012
    12:54 am

    doc,

    You’ll appreciate this. George Karl talking to CNNSI.

    “We don’t have superstar players, but we have a lot of guys who can play basketball,” he says one moment.

    “It’s refreshing to have a more coach-able team,”.

    Ramon

    January 28th, 2012
    12:59 am

    I’m not understanding why Willie Green can’t get more playing time than he’s been getting. Play Joe at the 3, with Willie and Kirk in the back court. Do this and see what happens for a while.

    Ramon

    January 28th, 2012
    1:03 am

    O’B, ’superstars’ has gotten George Karl fired twice before, lol (Seattle and Milwaukee), so I can understand his thoughts. But Karl seems like the new Jerry Sloan, who will always be a wonderful coach, but never get a ring.

    northcyde

    January 28th, 2012
    1:09 am

    Nah O’Brien.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7511891/new-orleans-hornets-actively-shopping-c-chris-kaman

    Kaman has officially played his last game in a Hornets uniform. They’re looking to deal that dude ASAP.

    And to me, that’s a RED FLAG for any team trying to get him. NO way do I give up anything significant to get Kaman. The dude has struggled all year, and has now already gone out of favor with the Hornets.

    No Marvin trades for him. No Zaza trades for him. None of that.

    That dude is making 14 million this year, but he’s in the last year of his deal. So he’ll be attractive to a team looking to pick up an expiring contract. And in exchange, the Hornets will pick up pieces.

    If the Hawks simply wanted to shed payroll, then a Marvin/Zaza for Kaman trade can and will get it done. But that trade would turn out to be a disaster for the Hawks. If T-Mac was healthy enough to give us 30 minutes a night, then maybe this team could do without Marvin. But if we can’t rely on T-Mac to be the starter, then we need to keep Marvin in the mix.

    drmaryb.[*_*].

    January 28th, 2012
    1:11 am

    Old Water Skis!

    “The entire team looked off/flat from the start. They found some gas late and really got rolling in the OT.”
    -Section 303-
    _______

    This reminds me of my first attempt at water skiing on Lake Jackson, down in South Georgia years ago. The boat was a 30 year old slugg and the jet skis were wooden and looked like an antique relic.

    She gave the boat some gas and it went from 0 to 5 in 180 seconds. I drank half the lake, never got it up and gave up skiing from behind The U.S. Minnow.

    Unlike the Hawks I never got it rolling in the OT.
    ________

    I’m pleased to hear that Drew thought Jeff might go back in. That replay was nasty, but we’ll see how the cabin pressure and a night’s sleep affects Jeff in the morning. Fingers crossed. This season is brutal fellas.

    drmaryb.[*_*].

    January 28th, 2012
    1:14 am

    * The U.S.S. Minnow.

    northcyde

    January 28th, 2012
    1:15 am

    And Kaman really isn;t an upgrade over Zaza either. Not this season.

    If the Hawks were treading water at .500, then yeah, definitely deal those two for Kaman, to give us the ability to start over. But not now. Subtracting Marvin and Zaza, and adding Kaman, does NOT improve the Hawks.

    Even the trade machine says that it would result in 4 more losses if we picked up Kaman, but lost the other 2.

    LOL . . and we’d STILL need a big man.

    Reality Check

    January 28th, 2012
    1:20 am

    The Hawks clearly need a big… so I expect them to trade for a guard.

    Terrell

    January 28th, 2012
    1:29 am

    I rather Atlanta start slow and finish strong like they did against Minn. Mil. and Det. than start fast and fade like they did against Phil. We are all getting mad at Josh taking those jumpers but there are times where he’s hitting him at a more constant rate than some of the other guys of the team that are suppose to be jump shooters.

    drmaryb.[*_*].

    January 28th, 2012
    1:30 am

    Pieces!

    “he’ll be attractive to a team looking to pick up an expiring contract. And in exchange, the Hornets will pick up pieces.” -nortycyde-
    ___________

    NOLA want some Reese’s pieces, but they may end up with some Charmain pieces. Because the bigman is so HOT right now, they think they’re in a Melo sweepstakes.

    doc

    January 28th, 2012
    1:31 am

    o’b thanks for the reference to karl. if you remember i posted an interview of him talking about the trade while getting in his car right after it went down. he really looked like the cat with the canary in his mouth. his sly smile said it all. in the mean time the knicks have fallen back and walsh who tried to hold off on the trade and probably got over ruled by absentee gm isiah and dolans, pulled the trigger.

    Dre

    January 28th, 2012
    1:33 am

    ITs late over there in ATL, are you guys OK? your up pretty late blogging about the Hawks and meanwhile, Sekou Smith reports Hawks are closing in on Priest Lauderdale.

    Scoop

    January 28th, 2012
    2:25 am

    @MC- Zaza was jumper happy??????? How about Josh Brick!!!!!!!!!

    Smoove was 1-9 on jumpers when they counted (he hit that 3 in OT when we were up by 7). The book is out on the Hawks and I’ve been saying this for the past month-teams take Smoove’s defender overload the other side of the floor and force a tough jumpshot from Joe (which he made tonight) or swing the ball to a wide open Smoove.

    You are right MC-this was an exact carbon copy of the Bucks game….THEY DID THE EXACT SAME THING!!!!!

    The sad things is….Smoove obliges them and takes the wide open jumper, often times bricking it.

    Smoove has reached his peak as a player. He is an exceptional weak-side defender, average on-ball defender (worse this year since he lost weight), with absolutely zero offensive game. Terrible Jumper, no low post moves, and erratic decision making. What’s worse he thinks he can make the jumper consistently and teams continue to bait him. His attitude and demeanor become extremely poor when things aren’t going well. He complains to the officials, wines to his teammates, and that stuff rubs off.

    What’s worse LD doesn’t seem to realize this!!!!!!!! When teams overload Joe’s side of the floor with SMoove’s defender, sub Smoove for Vlad Rad and punish them with open jumpers. That or send Smoove baseline toward the basket. How hard is that? I’m a mere blog person and can spot the team’s adjustments better than our coach. Why does LD run Joe into the ground anytime things get tough?????? Our bench has been strong all year. They left the game tied in the 2nd quarter and got hardly any burn in the 2nd half. I’ve been calling all year for different lineup matches. When things go poorly you have to mix it up, not ride the starters into the dirt. LD should take a page out of Pop’s book. Pop pulled his starters 1 min into the 2nd half against us bc he didnt like the effort and execution. LD does the opposite and gets the corresponding result.

    BTW it’s no coincidence that the 4 guys that have had big nights against us these past 2 games have all been PF-Bonner,Blair, Maxiell, Monroe. All matching up against Smoove……..

    sturt

    January 28th, 2012
    2:46 am

    ESPN trade machine evidently adjusted… no such restriction on Kaman shows up now.

    Ramon

    January 28th, 2012
    3:18 am

    Scoop, maybe the time of morning has impaired your judgement. But on a bad shooting night, Josh was 4 for 11 on jumpers. That is just below the league average of 40% on jumpers. And Josh shot 75% on free throws. Not to mention, he added 8 assists with only 1 turnover, to go with 11 rebounds and 3 blocks (and a steal, but hey who’s counting). Josh also had the highest +/- on the team (again) at +10 for the game. And every meaningful category he is first or second on the team (except for assists, where he’s 3rd behind Teague and Joe). How does someone with such ‘terrible’ shot selection, still manage to shoot basically 50% from the field, when nightly, he’s matched up against players who are 2-3 inches taller than him?

    Last season, Josh shot the same percentage from beyond the arc, as Lebron, and better than Dwayne Wade. Even perennial Hawks’ pessimists Charles Barkley, Kenny Smith, and Shaq, each say Josh Smith is the leader of this team, and the only player on the team with upside. Josh says Joe is the leader, because he doesn’t care about that bravado battle. It wasn’t until Al became the leader in the media, that the chemistry problems began. Because Joe was leading the team on the offense, and Josh was leading the team on defense. Yet, Al was getting the respect of a difference maker, when even for a center, his numbers were marginal at best.

    So when you say give Vlad Josh’s minute, you qualify yourself as a NBA Jam on PS3 player who only cares about video game basketball. Vlad is shooting 37% from the field, and is easily the worst defensive player on the team, at his position.

    By the way, Monroe is a center, not a PF. And Maxiell had majority of his points in the first half, when Josh was in foul trouble. And Bonner got majority of his points on TEAM DEFENSE, not against Josh. When Josh would provide help defense, teammates weren’t rotating fast enough. And Dujuan Blair had THREE rebounds in 30 minutes of playing time. His points came off of Tony Parker penetrating and dishing under the rim, not from man up defense.

    Scoop, you’re making yourself sound like Terrence Moore, Mr. King of Judging a Game by the Box Score Articles, not by watching it and understanding basketball.

    By the way, Josh is leading this team to the third best record in the Conference. And the two teams ahead of the Hawks, have both been handed L’s by the Hawks, and should’ve been handled two, if it wasn’t for LD mismanaging the last 30-45 seconds of those games in regulation (though LD has done a good job of coaching overall this season).

    Scoop

    January 28th, 2012
    4:00 am

    @Ramon
    Lets break it down:
    Josh is a career 28% shooter from three-worse then the mediocre jump shooters Lebron and DWade you tried to compare him to. Also, he is shooting 19% this year.

    Josh has averaged 2.5 turnovers/game his entire career!!!! A number way to high for a PF. This year he is averaging 2.4

    Josh is a career 68% FT shooter. Mediocre by any standard. This year he is averaging 53%!!!!!!!!

    His rebounds is the only stat that has increased for the better.

    Ramon, I suggest if it’s not too late for you, go back and re-read my post and consider the context of what i said:
    JOSH HAS REACHED HIS PEAK AS A PLAYER

    Again, watch the game-he has no low post offensive moves, a terrible jumpshot (percentage wise and form), and erratic decision making (2.5 turnovers/game his career). Plus, he wines too much.

    According to you, Josh takes no blame and all the credit. Josh is terrible on help defense. He hedges weak and invites the switch. Also, he likes to camp in the paint to get the help side block. THAT IS WHY BONNER WENT OFF. Josh always struggles with 3-point shooting PF bc he sits in the lane. Anybody watching the game would know that. Also, I don’t care what Monroe’s natural position is, Josh got owned defending him like he did against Maxiell and Blair.

    You were quick to jump on what I said about Vlad and failed to comment on the defensive adjustment teams are making by overloading the strong side and baiting Smoove into shooting jumpers, which he happily takes. That is why we need shooters to free up the lane. Wonder why Teague had a bad game tonight??????? Try getting Smoove off the perimeter. IMO he has reachced his peak as a player and I would sell high while I still can.

    Gerald

    January 28th, 2012
    5:13 am

    Joe played like a superstar in the second half last night. He was downright unstoppable. Yes, it was against a sub-par team in the Pistons, but still, it’s nice to see. Marvin was also impressive. He should have a larger role in the offense than he does, especially with Al being out. He’s, arguably, the second best offensive player among the starters, and he knows how to move without the ball. Maybe third, if you want to put Teague ahead of him. Anyway, he looked effective and efficient tonight, as well. Our perimeter players essentially won this game for us, tonight, which is nice to see at times, but the frontcourt struggles have me worried.

    Our frontcourt basically got dominated by Monroe and Maxiell, neither of which is known as a dominant big man. Both men played well, but they shouldn’t have been allowed to around 20 points each so easily. This was another game in which our interior depth was exploited. None of our bigs could defend either Monroe or Maxiell. Josh was getting completely dominated on both ends by both of them due to their size and strength advantages, and Zaza just doesn’t have the athleticism to consistently contest shots at the rim. Collins did an adequate job of keeping them from getting deep position on the block and backing him down, but his sub-par mobility makes it tough to keep him on the floor since he has difficulty defending against mobile big men and in pick-and-roll situation. Ivan is stout and has a strong lower base, but his lack of height and length makes him a bit ineffective against big men who are adept at scoring inside. Horford could have helped out with those problems tonight, but even with him, I think we could use more. Our depth is at the power positions is becoming more and more of a known weakness. The Pistons and Spurs have both attempted to pound the Hawks inside. The difference is that the Spurs have the outside threats to actually put the Hawks away, while the Pistons clearly did not.

    Even though we won this game, I didn’t like how much the team looked overmatched inside. If we get to the playoffs and actually have to face a team that effective inside, I don’t like our chances, because good teams will know how to key in on Joe and our perimeter players, which leaves us with no inside scoring presence and also, no consistent interior defense. Josh is a very good help defender, but his individual defense in the post is something that big men who are adept at scoring inside, and guys who have size and strength advantages, are going to look to attack. Josh is tenacious on defense, even in 1 vs. 1, but there’s no much he can do when a guy either overpowers him and backs him down, or out-wits him and gets him into the air and then finishes easily at the rim. Collins, Zaza, and Ivan are situationally useful on the defensive end as well, but not versatile enough to cover all scenarios. I really hope we get another big man to address this problem, especially while Horford is out, when it is accentuated even more.

    Ramon

    January 28th, 2012
    5:21 am

    Scoop, when a player comes in the league as a rookie right out of high school, you don’t look at his ‘career numbers’, other wise that would be tainted numbers. Look at Josh’s numbers the past 3-4 seasons. And tell me which category is he not improving in. To say that Josh has reached his peak, and isn’t improving is blindsided. And you prove this fact, simply by saying that Josh is a terrible help defender. Its funny that the coaches in the league viewed Josh as the best defensive PF in the game just two seasons ago. But you say he’s terrible. You say teams are baiting Josh into taking jumpers. But isn’t it hilarious that the Hawks are winning 70% of the time with this formula? And they have only lost once at home this entire season. If you do anything in your life, and succeed at doing it 70% of the time, would you not consider yourself successful? And tell me why out of all of the big minute players on the team, Josh has the highest +/- rating of all. Be honest, are you Tito “Scoop” Horford? Or Mike Woodson? By the way, Josh is so terrible, that he is the only Hawk mentioned in the top 25 players in the league, just published this week. Hmmmm……

    Gerald

    January 28th, 2012
    5:33 am

    “It hardly mattered that Josh was missing Js…”

    I find this statement to be a bit silly. It’s an opinion, and certainly the author is entitled to it, but I beg to differ, even if the author may have been joking a bit. Josh took 10 jumpshots tonight and only made 3 of them. When you are in a close game, and you insist on taking a high volume of low-percentage shots, it has a large effect on your team and the game. When you are second on the team in attempts, and shooting a low percentage, you are taking away better shots from more efficient scorers and basically forcing the offense to flow as you go. If Josh was taking high percentage shots and making them at a consistent rate, it wouldn’t matter how many he took as long as there weren’t better options out there, but let’s not try to insist that it doesn’t matter when you gamble or squander a large portion of the team’s offensive opportunities on low percentage shots.

    Josh’s shot total tonight comprised approximately 20% of the total shot attempts for the team. If one player is going to consume that portion of a team’s total offensive opportunities, the shots need to at least be high percentage shots. In a game like this one, those seven missed long jump shots could have been a huge swing in the game, when you consider that poor or low percentage shots not only take points away from your team, but also can lead to easy points for the opposing team (e.g., via fastbreak points).

    So, in conclusion, it did matter that Josh was missing jumpshots, it mattered a lot, especially when you consider that he shouldn’t be taking that many jumpshots to begin with. I don’t know why it is so difficult for some players to realize that they are wide open on the outside for a reason. Defenses count on them taking and missing shots are low percentage shots for those particular players. That’s part of the defensive plan. It’s not difficult to understand.

    Ramon

    January 28th, 2012
    5:34 am

    What other player in the league could go out, and be 2 assists shy of a triple double, with only 1 turnover (in a win), and still be talked about so negatively? http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2411/josh-smith 49% from the field this season! Josh is getting more shot attempts this season, and is shooting at a higher percentage than ever. How many players percentage go up, even when their attempts go up? By the way, ESPN listed Josh as the top performer for the night. Maxiell weighs 35 more pounds than Josh, yet Josh still had the most rebounds in the game.

    Eric

    January 28th, 2012
    5:38 am

    “Its funny that the coaches in the league viewed Josh as the best defensive PF in the game just two seasons ago.”

    Just out of curiosity, where did you get this statistic from?

    kshizzle

    January 28th, 2012
    5:43 am

    I got tired last night and actually went to sleep before the 4th quarter. I didn’t think we had a chance to win that game. I woke up this morning, came here and saw that we won! I am now watching the end of regulation right now and I have to say to Marvin, That’s my Dog! He made two great plays/shots and he did so with reckless abandon. If he can actually do what he just did, consistently, (maybe he’s turning the corner) I might actually believe he was worth the second pick in the same draft that had Chris Paul, Deron Williams and even Raymond Felton at a time when we actually needed a point guard we didn’t draft a top 5 pick when 3 of the top 5 were PG’s????? I’ve never understood that logic. I’m also glad we now have Jeff Teague as I feel he’s legitimately a point guard and the kid is pretty sweet. The guy is in the top 5 of the NBA in speed (might be #1) and the guy is a freaking good passer. Not like John Stockton putting up 20 assists a night to Malone for the dunk or mid range jumper. More like wow, that was a sweet pass dude. I really love the Hawks these days. They have some great players, Larry Drew is a good coach and the guys are (still learning and gaining consistency) but actually playing the way he is telling them to.

    Ramon

    January 28th, 2012
    5:45 am

    http://www.nba.com/2010/news/04/20/howard.defensive.poy/index.html

    Eric, Josh finished second in DPOY voting to Dwight Howard.

    kshizzle

    January 28th, 2012
    5:50 am

    At Gerald, although I agree Josh takes too many jump shots, I think we has proven, this year, to be better at making them. The 3 in Wisconsin was huge and was awesome. Also, we won the game then and we won tonight so ultimately it didn’t matter. Perhaps you have never been a scorer when you have played the game like I am and have always been. Josh is by my definition a scoring type of person. It is very hard to pass up a wide open shot which is what, for obvious reasons, Josh Smith is given. He has improved each year in my opinion and although he misses a lot and makes us all yell at him, I at least give him credit for working on it each year. Overall he’s shooting 47% this year and get this, that is a sweet percentage.

    Eric

    January 28th, 2012
    6:01 am

    “http://www.nba.com/2010/news/04/20/howard.defensive.poy/index.html

    Eric, Josh finished second in DPOY voting to Dwight Howard.”

    Oh, I see what you were referring to now. Just for the record though, the coaches don’t vote for defensive player of the year, the media (a panel of sportswriters) votes for those awards.

    kshizzle

    January 28th, 2012
    6:04 am

    Just got to the Joe Johnson tie the game shot. If you haven’t seen it there is an excellent documentary on Joe that is very uplifting and gave me a whole different perspective on the guy. He is playing great this year. That was one of the best shots I have ever seen. The kid is cold blooded. I’m older then him so I can call him a kid right?

    Buddy Grizzard

    January 28th, 2012
    6:10 am

    “Vlad is shooting 37% from the field, and is easily the worst defensive player on the team, at his position.” – Ramon

    If I had a dime for every time I saw an opposing big man get deep post position on Rad and score easily, I’d be better off. I’ve come to the opinion that Vlad’s occasional hot shooting nights are not frequent enough to offset the defensive liability he is every time he steps on the court.

    “And the two teams ahead of the Hawks, have both been handed L’s by the Hawks, and should’ve been handled two, if it wasn’t for LD mismanaging the last 30-45 seconds of those games in regulation.” – Ramon

    Those two losses will come back to haunt the Hawks. The losses to Houston and San Antonio were to be expected. The Hawks are doing amazingly well, especially in spite of injuries. But don’t forget to look at the standings at the end of the regular season and check out the 1st round match-ups. If the Hawks end up with a draw that is not favorable, ask yourself where those two wins would have put them.

    Right now if the Hawks had those two wins, which they should have had, they’d be a half game ahead of Chicago for the best record in the Eastern Conference.