Cavaliers at Atlanta Hawks: Game thread

we’re going to have to bounce back tonight.

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I’m not against a person having a couple of adult beverages during the course of a game, but some of yall just got snockered. The conversation on the blog last night after the game was surely the tragic result of drinking too much while blogging.

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THE HAWKS ABSOLUTELY QUIT LAST NIGHT!!!!!!!! Every starter should forfeit their paycheck for last night’s game. Atrocious.

Look at Smoove’s shot selection last night. They baited him into jumpers, doubling off of his man to clog the paint. The book is out. And why in the he!! did we o=not exploit jody meeks (6-4) guarding Marvin(6-9)??????? The 76′ers took Iggy and defended Joe and we never exploited the mismatch. The Hawks gave up and shame on anybody who disputes it. Every game is important, especially at the pro level. LOOK AT JOE’s STAT LINE. IVE DEFENDED JOE AS MUCH AS ANYBODY BUT IT WAS ALMOST OFFENSIVE WITH THE LACK OF EFFORT HE GAVE.

Smoove’s arrogance continues not only with his shot selection but also with his post game analysis. I hate to say it, but if they Hawks don’t get on Smoove for his poor shot selection(non-jumpers included), we are going to lose when those bad shots don’t fall. Does anybody else notice the terrible running-contested jumpers and step-back fade away’s Smoove takes?……The worst shots i’ve ever seen.

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Josh Farther dropped the ball! How do you not teach your son how to shoot a dam jumpshot?

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Hey Teague, just attack and penetrate all night!

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Chris,

If you get a chance, could you ask LD about the rebounding discrepancy last night, and also, any updates about a possible big? Hawks were -18 in rebounding last night. We cannot win if we’re being outrebounded that badly.

And for those who havent seen the February schedule, here it is.

Memphis, Philly, Phoenix, Pacers, @ Orlando, @ Miami, @ Lakers, @ Suns, @ Blazers, @ Bulls, @ Knicks, Orlando, Golden State.

How confident are you playing those games with ZaZa and Twin as your centers?

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The stinger on rthe pre show really stinks,always kissing butt

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Yes those images Najeh put up were on the cutting edge?

drmaryb, was in her zone with some classic stuff! The images she generates through her story telling is remarkable! Ha ha ha!

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not hustling back on defense, after getting your shot blocked.

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Cavs have been playing pretty good – I wouldn’t take this team lightly.

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Joe attacking the rim like he’s pushing 290lbs.

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wtf is marvin bum ass doing

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Nice shot Josh NOOOOT

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Zaza and Varejao are basically the same player.

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“The stinger on rthe pre show really stinks,always kissing butt”

Well of course, he’d stink.

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Some of you guys have been riding Snoop Dog’s Bus. Hawks are going to lose this game tonight!!!

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zaza misses on purpose, just to pad his rebounding stats

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lol, seems like it

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Zsa Zsa, what a scrub, what a bum……

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I will get them columbia 11s and sell them on ebay like I did the concords lol

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GREETINGS HAWKS FANS, THE REAL GAME OF THE NIGHT STARTING IN ABOUT 5 MINUTES 76ERS W/OUT SPENCER HAWES AGAIN TONIGHT VS HEAT AND NO WADE BOTH TEAMS MISSING A PLAYER CALL IT A PUSH

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How long will it take the HAWKS TO BLOW this lead?????

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nice pass

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Heat by 20~!

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“I will get them columbia 11s and sell them on ebay like I did the concords lol”

honestly i wasnt that moved by these initially.. but i was motivated by the flip. that figure you said you got for your space jams specifically, i couldnt shake. but the more i look at these puppies, i dunno..

im 2/3 on the hot releases.. got the cement 3’s and these.. was left out in the cold on the space jams..

hopefully that pattern doesn’t continue and i miss out on the 4’s..

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look for the contact Joe.. thats a tough pass.. nice move to get to the basket.. get 2 pts out of it

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Wheres Marvin?

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Good quarter. And no Jason Collins.

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northcyde,

Thanks for the Milos Babic link. That was the same year that we played Tennessee Tech.

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Hope they can somehow trade Marvin “the duck” Williams by the trade deadline.

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Bad team defense on that play…

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We are stuck with Marvin..Who would take him and his 8 million per year contract over the next several years…We are stuck!

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@bigdave..I bought and kept the black cements…im looking forward to them jordan VI though

http://sneakernews.com/2012/01/20/air-jordan-vi-olympic-2012-retro/

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Hinrich returns soon, cut Pargo immediately…

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REMINFER BOTH CLUBS VERY FAMILIAR W/EACH OTHER MET IN PLAYOFFS LAST YEAR

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MARIO CHALMERS IS GOOD

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BOSH THE 3, HEAT UP 17-10 76ERS ALWAYS START OFF SLOW EVERY GAME

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Ya’ll may have seen this from Hoopsworld – “Kirk Hinrich is available in a trade, sources tell Hoopsworld.com.” – Goes on to talk about Al’s injury, and our need for size. So we’ll see

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Switching over to Knicks v Nuggets, watch some real Bigs play the right way…

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How many years now, has Nique said “That’s where you need to give it up to a guard and fill the wing”?

Seriously, maybe 6 years?

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I wish zaza would have gave that up to josh for the huge dunk

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lol@sautee…every game I know that

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‘Nique said on Jan. 3rd and 6th that Hinrich was about a month out. Besides hearing on the 17th from LD that Hinrich was ahead of schedule, that’s about all I know when he’s coming back.

Probably the Feb.2nd game against the ‘Wolves at Home would be my guess, barring a setback. But that’s just a guess.

BTW – Good game Hawks!

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Sautee – He will I think – Only his 16th game starting really – He was buried out of the rotation until Hinrich got hurt, and he’s not a true PG – but he’s better than anything we’ve had in a while overall.

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Marvin bout to die on that lay up lol

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damn Joe

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Teague – 8 pts, 3 assist, 2 steals, and no turnovers

He’s def. not a turnover machine

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Good 1st half for the Hawks.

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“slimjr, did you find out we wont be able to get only 4 losses in february? i will be pleased with 4 wins.”

I ya doc. Feb. schedule looks darn brutal! 4 wins would be catastrophic! Josh gets carried away with that broke jumper of his…

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Bring back 59 year old Dikemebe Mutombo. We would be a lock for Eastern Conference Finals..
No Doubt!

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damn no more megaupload

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This half time show makes me wanna pop a bean

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Heard Greg Ostertag is now a Free Agent. Sign him up HAWKS. He is our type of guy.

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It’s Atlanta. Why are the cheerleaders so bad looking?

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Heat will stink up the joint again this year. OVERRATED…

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Is not jt every thing you would want in a pg,good pick ld

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Just pickup 10 women from South-beach and you got an upgrade for your Cheer-leading squad! Haha

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Way to bounce back from last night Hawks. Hopefully they hold on to this lead. That said, Cleveland is not as good as their record. This is not a playoff caliber team the Hawks are beating.

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@Rusty, that why I said I was just kidding. The wizards traded Kirk to the Hawks last year they wouldn’t want him back

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what am i saying??? by mid march i too will be a 76ers fan!!!!!!!!!!!!

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THAD YOUNG SOOOO GREAT ON DEFENSE

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Jeff Teague is evolving into a damn good point guard

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Marvin looking good against these scrubs….lol

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lol @ that continuation

marvin got a gift from the refs

12 points for marvin . . . his critics are silent

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Why can’t these scrubs play this way on the road??? Go figure!!!

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lol I thought he wasnt going to call a timeout

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it should have been a good pick….

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Irving got game, cant miss!

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JJ is rooooooolinnnnnnnnnnnnnn

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zaza is garbage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Why is Josh shooting 25 ft jumpers? WTF?

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Why is it that jj shoots so much better when the game is not big?

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GOD I HOPE SOOOO BADLY LEBRON NEVER WINS A CHAMPIONSHIP,

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Joe’s on fire; Cavs suck.

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I really hate Varejao; he’s a dirty player.

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lol tmac and mcgrady with contact

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Marvin usually plays well against the Cavs. I think he had a 30+ point game last year.

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Najeh jokingly said that the Hawks should win by 54 tonight. Looks like they’re trying to get close.

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The Heat must have at least five [sets of] uniforms; 2 whites, 2 blacks, 1 red.

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RIP Joe Paterno

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2nd half starting very shortly hang on gang

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lol 9to5

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JJM

link?

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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7487597/spokesman-says-joe-paterno-condition-serious-further-complications

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Ivan should start over Collins at center everyday of the week!

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JOE PATERNO JUST PASSED AWAY, WOW!!!!!!!!!

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63-55 HEAT COME ON 76ERS

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Did Vlad get hurt? He has a DNP for the 2nd half.

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Ivan is getting better and better.

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“The Hawks are winning In-spite of Al Horford not because of Al Horford.”

If he’s not even playing, they can’t be winning “in spite” of him. LMFAO.

But we all understood your spite.

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Ivan’s gonna go off on Harangody before this game is over. That was the second time that he fouled Ivan hard.

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Stackhouse still got some bounce, just can’t make no damn shot, man.

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HEAT UP 67-61

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Debo would punch that bright dude in the face. Lol

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i wish hawks had half the heart 76ers have, just half!!!!!

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Go ahead and re-sign Ivan, TMac, Green and Vlad for next season….

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wow vucevuc limping hope its not serious

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THAD THE DEUCE

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northcyde,

I agreed. Until the Sixers and Pacers win a playoff series, I will not put them on the Hawks level.

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Just kidding my azz.

Save that Sixers propaganda for someone who gives a damn. Hawks shot selection let them back into that game, and they took the game. Good for them. But until they beat some good teams on a consistent basis, the Sixers can go to hell . . straight up.

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WHAT I MEAN IS HAWKS WILL NEVER BE IN 76ERS LEVEL UNTIL HAWKS WIN TITKES LIKE THE 76ERS HAVE

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Wow. Gingrich spanked Romney in SC. Now the gang is coming to FL. I’m getting ready for a solid week of robo-calls.

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Andre,

Too bad you don’t know how to spell your own last name…. LOL

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Sixers troll copying other usernames and starting his own conversation. Noone cares about your team

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steven a, all the gold in …. oops dikembe already owns it. he wont be back bro.

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Go win for the Hawks tonight… So we are going to get a up and close look at the Bucks team on Monday. I know another blogger on here that will be happy that night…..LOL

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I ACTUALLY HOPE HAWKS GET THE 5TH SEED, AND PLAY INDIANA, NO DOUBT PACERS SWEEP HAWKS EASILY

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ALOT OF BEER MUSCLE TALK FROM HAWKS FANS TONIGHT ESPECIALLY AFTER GETTING SPANKED BY 76ERS JUST YESTERDAY LOL HAHAHAHAHA

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LOOKS LIKE A L TONIGHT BUT NEXT 7 IN A ROW AT HOME,

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Josh Smith’s shot selection is a model of discipline compared to Shumpert and Douglas from the Knicks.

I see Marvin remains stuck in a box regardlessof his performance. Oh well, a nice bounce back win tonight.

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joe pa gone. hmm, i have seen it before where when a man losses his purpose he fades fast. he deserved better than the way he was treated. good article in the washington post recently with him. he sadly was very naive in his thinking and a very narrow old school perspective as well to think others would take care of things that held such a price on doing the right thing. he was almost military in his approach to things that you let the superiors do what they should and not question it. anyway, he had his issues, as we all do, but for the most part his legacy should not include the man who fooled a lot of people that should have figured it out besides a very narrow focused, obsessed football coach.

here is the post, you can sign up to receive this very good paper as well for free to get past the first page:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/joe-paternos-first-interview-since-the-penn-state-sandusky-scandal/2012/01/13/gIQA08e4yP_story.html

nice win guys. you need every one you can get in january. you have held court pretty well during the first month, cudos.

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MattP,

I noticed that as well….

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Grandmaster ‘negativity’

Except when we beat them in the playoffs a couple years ago.

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Oh well . . . with Newt winning in SC tonight, the Republicans can’t run on the “morality” platform anymore.

And Joe Pa isn’t dead yet.

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well rip is premature:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/21/joe-paterno-dead-ex-penn-state-football-coach_n_1221289.html

just the same an 85 yr old man with lung ca does not ever have minor complications to chemo treatment when sitting with a fractured hip as stated from the get go. may he not suffer.

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Revenge of the Troll. Oh it’s just awful.

ROFLMFAO. As if the blog can’t recognize troll drivel when they see it.

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This from AP concerning Kirk and Al’s injury return timelines:

“ATLANTA — Hawks guard Kirk Hinrich, who has missed the first 17 games of the season while recovering from left shoulder surgery, said Saturday he hopes to play during Atlanta’s upcoming five-game trip.

Hinrich started in 22 of his 24 games with Atlanta last season after he was traded to the Hawks from Washington. He averaged 10.2 points and 4.0 assists overall.

Hinrich had surgery in November and he is trying to beat his projected recovery time of three to four months. He said before Saturday night’s game against Cleveland he will be with the Hawks on their road trip which begins Monday at Milwaukee.

“I hope I’ll be playing sometime on this trip,” he said.

Jeff Teague has taken over as Atlanta’s starting point guard.

Meanwhile, Dr. Xavier Duralde, who performed the surgery this week to repair center Al Horford’s torn left pectoral muscle, said Saturday the All-Star is progressing well in his recovery.

Horford was injured going for a rebound in a Jan. 11 game at Indiana. He is expected to be out three to four months and could miss the remainder of the regular season.

Duralde checked Horford on Saturday and said the center can begin strengthening work in six weeks.

Duralde said the incision is in Horford’s left arm pit.”

So Al cannot even begin strength exercises until the 1st week of March – he may be back the middle of April, we’ll see.

But Kirk is planning on playing on this road trip. Interesting

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I still think you cut Stack when Hinrich gets back – Pargo’s been playing pretty good. Or we may not cut anyone, and just pay the Luxury Tax. This is ASG we’re talking about however.

Maybe even cut Stack and Sloan.

I still wish we had 1 more big guy – but Hoopsworld is reporting we are shopping Hinrich for a Big. Don’t know what you get for his 8 mill. expiring.

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You have to shop Hinrich for a big..He’s expendable now that Teague is balling..Besides Hinrich can’t stay healthy..Jettison him….

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I feel so much better now that ive got that dick out of my mouth!!!

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I too noticed that All my blogs about trading Al were removed. How many other anti Al horford blogs are removed?

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What is going on with the Knicks? Amare has not taken a shot in the 4th qtr or the 2 over times.. Could they be having chemistry problems….

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Al wont make it back this year. being in physical shape is not the same as being in player shape. and it will take a while to sync with the team. Al will have to earn his position back if hes not traded or amnestied. His arm wont have full rotation right away. He will have to learn to use it all over again.Whats more, its now a weak spot and he may hurt it again. He almost blew out an ankle a couple years back in the playoff and so Al is really very injury prone.

Lets get rid of this guy while he still has a little value. I said that before when the Magic was interested and then got injured. Now the trade appear over and his value dropping. Please trade him before he has so many injuries that nobody will take a chance on him.

He may not make it back from this injury.

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No one at the AJC cares what you say about Al. They only care that you are being lewd, and inappropriate. But when you post offensive material, then they block your IP. So all your other posts go too.

Answer is easy. Stop the foolishness, and stick to your anti-Al rants. Unless you’d rather be banned and try to wear it like a badge of honor. But everyone on the blogs knows why you are banned from time to time. Everyone but you, apparently.

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FIRE SUND

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*YAWN*

Headed to Rio next week.

FIRE SUND

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Mike D’Antoni deserves to get fired after leading the New York Knicks to a 6-10 record after 16 games this season. I heard Larry Hughes was quoted as saying that he [D'Antoni] plays mind games with his players. He [D'Antoni] unnecessarily benched Nate Robinson for a month [approx. 12-14 games] for essentially taking a practice shot at the Knicks own goal after a quarter-ending buzzer sounded. Nate Robinson’s first game back from that suspension was when he [Robinson] lit up the Hawks for, I believe, 41 or 42 points in Atlanta. D’Antoni, in his first year with the Knicks, told Jamal Crawford that he really loved his [Crawford's] game and he wanted to make him [Crawford] an All-Star with the Knicks but, after the first 11 games with the Knicks during the 2008-2009 regular season, Crawford was shipped to the Golden State Warriors. This guy, D’Antoni, is a complete phony, fraud, and a pathological liar; he cannot be trusted. Mike D’Antoni is extremely overrated[sp.?] as a quality head coach in the NBA. During his tenure with the Phoenix Suns, D’Antoni had an experienced, outstanding point guard in Steve Nash who knew how to run a fast-paced, high-powered offense. Steve Nash is an excellent passer, facilitator, distributer and play-maker. Steve Nash is such a great floor general that he is basically a coach on the court; he knows how to quarterback an NBA team from an offensive standpoint. D’Antoni has an overall losing record with the Knicks. Last season ['10-'11], the Knicks finished with a record of 42-40 and made the playoffs as a sixth [6th] seed but were swept 4-0 by the Celtics. This guy [D'Antoni] has two max[imum contract] players [Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire] and a top-tier center [Tyson Chandler] and his team still has a losing record. I say give this guy [D'Antoni] the boot and give the team over to Mike Woodson. The NY Knicks’ players are not responding to his [D'Antoni's] message and have clearly given up on him [Mike D'Antoni].

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Cavs lost to the Bulls by 34 in Cleveland last night…and D-Rose did not even play.

So why should I be impressed by a 27 point Hawks victory at home?

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KHinrich is already under contract, and even though he’s inactive and on IR, his salary still counts toward our salary and luxury tax figures. Therefore, our salary and luxury cap figures will remain the same when he returns, so we won’t have to cut anyone, unless we choose to do so. I believe we’ll make our 1st cut just before salaries become guaranteed, which is sometime in Feb.

It seems that VRad is in a bit of a slump, but Pargo, Green and TMac have certainly taken up the slack. IJohnson does so many little, but very important things that don’t appear on the stat sheet. Johnson, Green, TMac, VRad and Pargo has given us far more DEF, rebounding, scoring, assists, steals, 3pt shooting, versatility, and overall production, than any bench we’ve had this decade.

Teague has already become a weapon on both ends of the court, and he’s only going to get better.

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Lame Duck!

“Ya’ll may have seen this from Hoopsworld – “Kirk Hinrich is available in a trade, sources tell Hoopsworld.com.” – Goes on to talk about Al’s injury, and our need for size. So we’ll see” -SteveW-
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Too bad our resident Lame Duck may have present company IF, Kirk goes back into hibernation and assume a Lame Duck role as well to avoid being traded.

I know the trade deadline has been extended until some point in March. Does anyone think Kirk may thwart his come back to damage his trade value by not showing his wares?

The main thing working against him is that attractive expiring 8M contract. IMHO

Problem is, what center will shake loose for 8M or slightly less to get The ASKG back under the 12:43:51 AM by the deadline? Najeh has been pushing for Kaman, I like that.

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GO HAWKS. HOW BOUT THEM KNICKS? LOL

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RIP!

doc! Is joepa deceased? Wow, that is very sad to hear, IDK he was having some serious health issues? I check those links after I’m done reading here.

I feel sorry for the “state” and State of PA. Tough year for the victims and others.

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https://twitter.com/#!/therrick20/status/160970291001036801/photo/1

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The Hawks blew out a team they are supposed to blow out. Good to see them bounce back from Friday’s disappointing loss, but they did what they were supposed to do. Can’t take too much away from this game than that.

One thing I did like, though, is that they seemed to start the 3rd quarter with a sense of determination to not suffer a similar letdown like the Sixers game. Maybe LD’s questionable motivational tactics got through to them, maybe they just got tired of letting teams back in to games, or maybe Cleveland just sucks. In any case hopefully it continues on the road trip.

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O’Brien
January 21st, 2012
11:58 pm

Marvin enjoys playing the Cavs…since LeBron left. Last season, in 3 games against Cleveland, Marvin had 22 and 4, 17 and 4, 31 and 7.
*****

he had 12 and 3 last night

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If Pargo, Green and TMac keep producing like they’re currently producing, we just might see Hinrich traded after all. Also, Is Kaman even available? The problem with trading for Kaman is I believe he has an expiring contract as well. So I don’t see New Orleans trading a starting 7′ Big with an expiring contract for a backup combo guard, also with an expiring contract.

Now, adding Zaza might get their attention, but we’d be left in a bind if he refused to resign. I’ve read statements about teams being interested in signing Prizybilla, and how he’s tired of the Blazers calling him. What exactly is his status? Is he healthy enough to play, or just being selective. It was said however, that he’s only interested in signing with a title contender. The Blazers have 2 pretty decent 7′+ centers, and both have a history of being fragile and are on IR.

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I d like to thank the AJC for cumming to my rescue last night and for blocking the IP of all the people who post against Al Horford. It is very important to make the viewer believe that we are a pro Al city. While that certainly isnt true and that is reflected at the turnstile we need to keep up the facade that
Al is important piece of the team. So, in addition to the continued blocking of IP’s that are not pro Al please also block all of the stories about Al’s divisive attitude and how the hawks are a much better team with out him.

We dont need that kind of information being spread.

Thank you.

Does any body have a cure for a sore throat?

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Trivia question – How many sellouts have the Hawks had this year? ZERO! Nobody cares about the Hawks!

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Lets see, Sandusky the Homosexual and Joe’s coach, rapes little boys sodomizing them in the locker rooms and at home. The knowledge of the acts is made know to Joe P who does absolutely nothing.

Omission equates to condoning.

How involved was Joe P that he kept his mouth shut? Did Joe own Child pornography?

Was Joe a part of a covert ring of homosexual child molesters?

We may never know the answers because of the cover ups, Joes death and his silence while living.

Now you want some kind legacy for a man who looked the other way while boys were being sodomized by a homosexual.

The only legacy I have for Joe is FCK JOE PUNK HE IS NO MAN!

Good by and good riddance!!

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“cowardly administrators and national media and other henchmen that came out when the story broke. penn state knew this was coming for at least six months and just as they had buried their heads in inactivity before hand…..”

Im not ready to vilify the press and canonize Joe. lets do the opposite. Lets credit the press for breaking the story and vilify Joe for what his character revealed, – A heartless, spineless punk.

That to me is a more logical conclusion.

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Hinrich is close to playing next week, is this true? Then who gets the ax?

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The Hawks need to play Ivan Johnson more. That dude is tough competitor, and he can board while Al is out.
He also brings energy, to the team!
Josh get under the basket where you belong.

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JeJe, I’m not sure why you would even begin to question a player’s character when his return is AHEAD of schedule. WHy would he be putting in the rehab work to return ahead of schedule if he wants to fake a problem to miss the trade deadline? And why would he want to stay on the Hawks when they are incapable of doing much right (at least according to a handful of bloggers around here)? I think he is busting his butt to get out of Atlanta as fast as possible, wouldn’t that be more consistent with the way many think?

Meanwhile, back in reality, keep an eye on Brad Miller. Sund evidently tried to acquire him last summer and he is returning from his own rehab in the coming weeks. He has an unguaranteed contract next year. Maybe some form of Hinrich + filler for Miller & Ridnaur could work. Personally, I don’t want Pargo as Teague’s backup. We’d be one twisted ankle away from having poor PG play agian (sorry, Pargo may be good in 10-15 minutes/game… but let’s not push it).

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* correction message was to include doc, not the great astro. my bad.

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Pargo, Sloan, Ivan and Stack all have unguaranteed contracts and the Hawks must cut at least 2 (I think) to get under the luxury tax threshold by the end of the season. If they shed some money in a trade, that would also help. If they were really creative, they would create some coaching position for Stack, put him in that role and then cut Stack & Sloan from the players roster.

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“when the event occurred in 2002 sandusky was not an employee of the school nor obviously a coach on paterno’s staff.”

There was more than one event and more than one boy. at last count more that 10 boys have claims of being molested by Sandusky. Who knows how long this has been going on? when the assistant coach walked in and saw him in the act and the little boy begged for help, it was reported to J. Paterno, who on only one occasion casually mentioned it to the police instead of taking a proactive activist approach he did nothing further, choosing rather to tolerate it than to man up and show leadership.

Paterno is no leader.

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Stack definitely angling for a spot on LD’s staff with his “spot on” comment.

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Joe Mama – thanks for wishing me to hell.

That’s pretty christian of you. Sometimes you self-righteous sorts can look kinda foolish.

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joe mama, i said two events witnessed on campus, one in 1998 the one in 2002. paterno and the then student coach who witnessed it was in 2002 and then reported it to the head of police in the penn state system and is what they were supposed to do by law. what else could they do? interstingly sandusky was not hired back for 1999 season. in their legal system it is all under the school surveillance and the assistant to the president is the chief of police who were also their bosses in the convoluted scheme in university park pa. so why would you say he didnt report it when he did? it is not the truth and why would you perpetrate something that is a lie? why do you doubt the lead prosecutor as well?

again, there were two purported events on the campus, one in 1998 witnessed by a service employee who later became mentally incompetent, the second in 2002 when sandusky was not an employee by the assistant coach who came to paterno and then the two of them reported it to the police. i really dont know why you dont see it the way it was and reported by the lead prosecutor at the state level. this was breaking in march or april of 2011 and she gave the administration and board a heads up it was coming.

it is very sad and it occurs in homes daily. i treat victims of these types of crimes by their supposed loved ones. it is indefensible to be a part of the crime as any crime. being a witness and doing the correct procedural thing is obviously defensible since he and the assistant coach were not part of the crime by actions legally not taken against either. how do you see it otherwise when there is no justification for your argument?

yup, you are right about ryan’s comment fewer responses when the hawks do it well than when they dont. in the mean time i hope we can find a legit big to bring on board. would love to see sund steal something for nothing. in the mean time put ivan on a crash course to learn the post and leave collins out of the mix as we know what he can and cant do. find out what ivan can do.

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doc,

Not to say Joe Pa was wrong or right but the one thing I have to ask is why didn’t he simply fired the guy? Head coaches fire and hire asst coaches all the time and don’t have to give a reason as to why. Especially a legendary coach like Joe Pa. I think it would have look much better for him had he gotten rid of the guy from his staff immediately after incident(s) were reported to him.

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joe mama, i also said from the get go he was not perfect but who is? i really dont put people up on pedestals, that is the first mistake to develop demagogues, and i dont tear or judge others without an opportunity to state themselves, i pray. that is what i think folks did. someone had to pay to make their anger go away and in this case it was joe pa. i am glad you feel better joe pa is gone. the world is no safer though.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=App7ioszbXsNf6bqCRj16105nYcB?slug=dw-wetzel_joe_paterno_obituary_012212

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Melvin, I agree (sight unseen). However, I kind of question how is it that Rasheed hasn’t already been signed if those reports are truly accurate. In a league desperate for quality big man depth, if he is truly sitting there healthy, fit, willing and cheap (that could be the issue), then why isn’t he playing? Frankly, I can’t help but wonder if the same is true for Pryzbilla, Dampier, Fesenko, Gadzuric and others.

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“in all of this all the critics never have said exactly what he should have done only he should have done more”

How about reporting the story to the press
How about holding a vigil for the little boys
How about champion a young boys club
How about paying for attorneys to help the boys
How about providing counseling
How about hiring a private investigator
How about a march
How about a boycott
How about letting the athletes wear a ribbon for the abused
How about speaking out on the subject
How about notifying the FBI
How about writing your congressman
?????????????????

He did absolutely nothing, but casualty mentioned it to the “campus” police.

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joe mama, it is true. for historical perspective and read the last line…

From Wikipedia,

University Park, Pennsylvania is an unincorporated community in Centre County, Pennsylvania, United States, and is the location of the flagship campus of the Pennsylvania State University.
University Park sits within the State College Metropolitan Statistical Area, which encompasses all of Centre County. Most of University Park sits within the borough of State College, while the northeastern part of campus is within College Township.
While most of this campus of the Pennsylvania State University is located in the borough of State College, Pennsylvania, the campus post office was designated University Park, Pennsylvania in 1953 when university president Milton Eisenhower changed the name of the Pennsylvania State College to the present Pennsylvania State University. Most campus buildings have a mailing address of University Park, PA. The ZIP code of University Park, Pennsylvania is 16802. The University Park Airport, although on property owned by the university, has a mailing address of State College, Pennsylvania.
The campus is served by the Penn State University Police.

joe mama i respect you as well, choose not to call names and wish that only that facts be known. all your suggestions are heard but as a long time employee he did what was expected of him and none of those would fly if he started sticking his nose in it and it was fabricated or didnt meet legal findings. then he would have been the one at legal fault. it took the law a long time but it finally came to pass and apparently was honest with legal authorities.

the university is going to pay up big time and my hope similar situations will be handled differently. it is odd that a similar situation occurred in syracuse this year and the head coach lives on, the assistant is gone and the legal fabric seems to be falling away and there be no case. so which way is right? they fired fine but should they or not? is he guilty or not? courts decide it not public opinion as it did with oj. if the glove fits, well?

should we watch big ben r and cheer on tv or even watch another nfl game to boycott them after what he did to a college girl in milledgeville, which is just as disgusting, with his posse of law officers around to clean up the mess so there was no evidence or it was all tainted? have you taken any steps with that one? after all, it was his second event and the first one was just handled out of court this past week. gets messy doesnt it?

my thought was joe pa should have been gone a long time ago. he isnt the perpetrator folks made him out to be nor a demagogue to make themselves feel better, in case sandusky walks. if it can happen to oj it can happen here.

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I’m pretty sure that those who work out in garages are homosexuals…

Makes as much sense as those who just know for sure that Paterno did something wrong.

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blocked three times on further comments now, heh heh.

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Man these blogs have gotten very perverted. Time to take a break until this gets cleaned up.

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oh my, will the real dui step up as he has been given a gift just teed up and ready for him?

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Cundiff wide left from 32 yards! A pro bowler last season … Tom Brady is super bowl bound #5 – just wow! What a goat kick to tie the game in regulation.

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Buddy,

Yeah been wondering what is going on here. This blog seems dead

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Melvin:

Watching the Bucks/Heat game. Nice to see Shaun Livingston playing healthy again. Bogut and Leur ain’t doing squat just in case anyone is wondering.

All too predictable.

Henrich + filller for okafor!!!!

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Bigman needed,

I think you have to add Marvin along with Hinrich for Okafor but even then I don’t see the Hawks making that trade to take on the remainder of Oakfor contract. It would save the Hawks 3mil this year but they lose Hinrich 8mil expiring deal next year and Oakfor has 2 yrs/ 28 mil remaining of his contract.

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Bucks beat the Heat…. Hawks better be ready tomorrow….

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[Milwaukee] Bucks cool off [Miami] Heat 91-82. Hawks please do not “fear the deer” just think “f-ck the buck.”

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* Heat beat the Sixers last night.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320122014

looks like this was a case of two teams playing poorly but one team had to win. 35% shooting from the Bucks. We should still handle those guys.

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Doc, my gut is telling Joe knew a lot more and could not bear his conscious anymore…Now he goes before his maker to discuss if further…

This is land of hypocrites…..All day and everyday…..

Get a copy of this book “The gods of the lodge”…..Will make known of these hypocrites…

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D-Wade’s injury [absence] finally caught up with the Heat in their loss to the Bucks.

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Tyrone, if that’s the only trade you make, then you go in to next year owing $66M+ to 6 players (Teague, Joe, Josh, Al, Pachulia, and Okafor). This ownership will not put themselves in that position, in my opinion.

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Tyrone,

In that trade scenario, you are basically trading Marvin 2yr/16mil for Oakfor 2yr/28 mil. Don’t see the ASG going for that. Especially with Joe and Josh contract increasing during that same time span as well.

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Two moves for now and the future:

Dump Marvin for any expiring contract.

Trade Hinrich, McGrady, and Collins to Dallas for Haywood, Roddy B, and Dominique Jones. Dallas does this deal to prepare for this summer. They can now amnesty Marion at the end of the year, and afford both Dwight and Deron.

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http://hoopshype.com/articles/narducci/smith-weighs-in-on-all-star-consideration

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After todays performance by Flacco there is no doubt that he is by far more talented than Ryan…

Had that touchdown pass not been stripped, he and his temates were on their way to the SB!!! So close.. Yet Ryan so far………

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They are about to embark on a five-city, nine-day road trip that will cover nearly 6,000 miles. It’s one more oddity of the NBA’s compacted schedule this season. The north-south alternating excursion begins in Milwaukee on Monday, goes to San Antonio, Detroit, New Orleans and ends in Toronto on Jan. 31. Three of the legs cover at least 1,000 miles.

“The way I’m looking at it, the one area where we’ve got to grow as a team is we have to be able to play out on the road under abnormal conditions,” coach Larry Drew said. “Certainly, this schedule is very abnormal.”

Wow, the next 5 weeks will make or break this teams season.Starts tomorrow night! Git ready yall! Its going to be some long days ahead on this blog……LOL

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slim, when I used to tour, we’d call that kind of routing a “star of David tour”.

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Sautee, this team will be tested by fire on the road…They could use David on this trip!

At least they have Ivan! HaHaHa….

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LD

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Tyrone
January 22nd, 2012
8:49 pm

Melvin,

Marvin’s contract is 8 mil year for 2 years and Hinrich’s is 8 mil expiring. The Hawks should make the big splash and make the trade for Okafor. This solves the center issue and the Marvin issue. In addition, it would place Al in his rightful position. Moreover, this trade makes the team viable for years. We have a 1st round pick and 4 2nd round picks in this year’s draft. The salary cap and bench issues are solved with rookie contracts.
Hawks make a Big Splash!

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ditto this!

Make the big splash!

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Tyrone,

In that trade scenario, you are basically trading Marvin 2yr/16mil for Oakfor 2yr/28 mil. Don’t see the ASG going for that. Especially with Joe and Josh contract increasing during that same time span as well.

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Move other parts to make it work, zaza’ s contract becomes expendable

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Pretty sure Marvin has 2 years left PLUS a player option for a 3rd year.

Good job on that one, Sund

FIRE SUND

I probably won’t post here for a few days, but chalk tomorrow night as a Loss for the Hawks. We will come out sluggish and lose to a team playing on the 2nd of a b2b.

88-76 Bucks.

Most predictable team in the NBA

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– Jerry Stackhouse, a 16-year NBA veteran, agreed with Drew’s comments and said the team needed to respond. “Hopefully everybody looks at it for what it was,” Stackhouse said. “I think his comments were spot on. Now it’s just a matter of responding. More so than what he said last night, he’s looking for a response. Hopefully we can give the proper response tonight.”

My man is jockeying for a spot on the coaching staff – I ain’t mad at cha Stackhouse.

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What’s New?

NEW England!
New York!

That’s wassup.

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“The Hawks should make the big splash and make the trade for Okafor. This solves the center issue and the Marvin issue. In addition, it would place Al in his rightful position”. – THE BENCH!

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Top Ten Hawks!

Offense (Rank)

Points:

98.0 (6)

Rebounds:

42.4 (14)

Assists:

22.6 (3)

FG%:

45.2% (10)

FT%:

73.2% (22)

3P%:

39.1% (5)

Defense (Rank)

Points:

90.9 (7)

Rebounds:

41.3 (10)

Assists:

20.8 (20)

FG%:

42.8% (9)

FT%:

77.5% (26)

3P%:

33.1% (12)

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When they kept on questioning him,
he straightened up and said to them,
“If any one of you is without sin,
let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”
- John 8:7 – NIV
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*note:
Directed entirely toward the entertainment companies
massquerading as news organizations.

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Pacers beat the Lakers last night. I think the Sixers and Pacers are the surprise teams of the East so far. And with Boston and NYK struggling, it will be interesting to see how the season plays out.

Big game today for the Hawks. I think it is important to start the road trip off on the right foot.

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excerted from the last interview with joe pa:

One reason I suspect Paterno decided to talk with me, as opposed to another writer, was because it brought his career full circle. In 1968 a Sports Illustrated writer named Dan Jenkins went to State College to do a story on a rising coach who had turned a cow college into a national football power, yet who emphasized academics like an Ivy Leaguer. No fewer than five times, Paterno asked, “How’s your father?” I replied that my father is 82 and still typing, and didn’t like the idea of retirement either.

Back in 1968, Paterno told my father, “We’re trying to win football games; don’t misunderstand that. But I don’t want it to ruin our lives if we lose. I don’t want us ever to become the kind of place where an 8-2 season is a tragedy. Look at that day outside. It’s clear, it’s beautiful, the leaves are turning, the land is pretty, and it’s quiet. If losing a game made me miserable, I couldn’t enjoy such a day.”

Had that perspective gotten lost? Did Paterno feel that somewhere along the line, football had become too important — and somehow allowed a real tragedy to go overlooked?

“Well, I don’t think it got lost,” he said. “I just think there was a series of situations that maybe people, a little bit, maybe they neglected something, and maybe they got a little bit frustrated. Whether they had good intentions or not, you’d have to ask them.”

His record will show that he was a great, indomitable champion who amassed a record 409 victories, as well as an intelligent advocate who worked tirelessly for poor and minority athletes his whole career. It will show that he was utterly devoted to his players, regularly graduated more than 75 percent of them, and had 47 academic all-Americans. It will show that he made mistakes and omissions, one of them possibly truly costly. It will show that he mostly maintained his perspective and remained true to himself.

“He didn’t preach one thing and live a different way,” Sue said.

It will show that he was not a statue made of bronze, and that he was defined as much by what he failed to do and say, as by what he did. Which merely made him, in the end, human.

we vreate demagogue and destroy them the same way for our own selfish intent.

there is said somewhere something about judge ye not or maybe something about trying to walk in someone else’s shoes.

one simple one is when one finger points out three point back.

humanity, we are all frail. dont kid yourself to think otherwise but do the best to treat others well. we are all one.

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i hear ya aj. in a not so perfect world that may be as much as we could hope for. except for the trade of few assets for jamal we have never used assets very well under this management team. maybe he can pull it off. i. e. i wonder how much anjinca gdads fav would have cost instrad of say stack and twin salaries?

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It seems like when we lose, it is because the Hawks did something wrong, but when a team beats someone like the Heat, it is because they did something right. It kind of suggests that teams like the Heat are incapable of a bad night while teams like the Hawks are incapable of losing while playing well.

Anyway, from Mr. James:

“We can’t make no excuses for ourselves. But no one had energy from the start of the game to the end.” — Heat forward LeBron James, after his team lost to the Bucks. ESPN.com

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yeah,, but that roster has a very big hole unless they coach up ivan to fill that void. yeah it is risky but to do nothing is worse. right now there are only 6 teams to beat in the east. it is simple math as i dont expect anyone to come out of the wood work except maybe the knicks or celts to make a run at the top six. if we fall that far then we are not who we think we are or maybe who we thought we were before the present run. the two teams we dont seem to match with right now is philly and the pacers going back to last year.

i dont know if we can depend on al to come back and at some point the basg had better believe windows to the ecf are not open for long. my contention is we missed a big one woody’s last year here and not due to woody altogether when we needed a bit more fire power they better come to jesus and spend or hope we pull a phoenix of two years back to get there without going into lux tax with what we got because everything around deteriorates. they got soundly trounced for their efforts however and never were legit. that is not what i wish if we were to get there, not full of holes.

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OB, I suspect that a pro training staff is able to watch someone during tryouts and determine if they are 3 weeks away or 3 months away. How long did it take Eddy Curry to get in basketball shape? Like 15 months? Remember Twin in 2009, did he ever get in shape to find time on the court? I don’t think we can assume that those guys could have been ready in 3 weeks… even Jennifer Hudson didn’t get fine that soon.

doc, I still have faith in Zaza. Sure, he has awful hands but he is still better than an NBDL project or Greg Ostertag the Sequel.

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doc, I’d like the Hawks to be 3-deep at every position too. Isn’t Collins supposed to be a world-class defender and 3rd string center?

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doc

“aj better watch out if gdad sees who you compared his prize ajinca to”

“stringbeans to butterbeans”

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You got me there !

However, stringbeans are much healthier than a cheeseburger.

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Praying

“God, Do I save my life and legacy by looking the other way, while these children are raped and sodomized by homosexuality or do I ignore my life’s work and do all I can to save these your children? It is a very difficult question for me and my soul is on fire, yes lord my soul is at stack, its torn between the soul of the children or my love for my career and university, please let me hear your council and I will decide what I shall do…”

I understand your challenge and surely these are the times that try men souls. It is that day that I have called you to answer so be careful what you choose.

Mark 35- 38 KJV

“For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Luke 9:23-25

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
KJV

Matt 10:37-39

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

KJV

Now, Joe Paterno, you decide what you shall do with your soul.

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The hearts of the Little Boys > Than winning football games.

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Odom is a skinny power forward and Miller is antiquated. Neither will help the hawks past the second round and there is no assurance that Al will ever return to the levels that brought us 12 pts 8 rebounds.

We needed a long term fix before, as Al was the short term cure and trade bait, now that he is showing himself injury prone, we need to make a move for our long term fix now. Trade Heinrich and Al for Bynum or Jordan or amnesty Al, trade Heinrich for a 1st round pick and then go after Howard. Another possibility is get Okafor, keep Al and let him come off the bench, to see if he can regain that much sought after 12pts 8 rebounds and use Heinrich or Teague to get Okafor.

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Miller for Hinrich would even bring the Hawks under Luxury Tax.

But if we did Miller for Hinrich, we would in actuality be giving 2 first picks, Mo, Bibby, Jordan Crawford (another 1st pick) for Brad Miller – and that’s bad trade(s) in anybody’s book.

But you can’t look back, just forward, and do what’s needed to try and win a Championship for this city.

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Miller for Hinrich and a 1st pick the above should read.

Now that’s too much for Miller, agreed. But to win a championship, you do what’s needed. Or even have a better opportunity to win a championship.

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I seriously doubt the Hornets trade Okafor for Hinrich and even a couple of 1st picks.

But I’m positive ASG would not take on Okafor’s salary for the long term. And their not amnestying anybody, because they still have to pay them even if the player is off the books.

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Nice post

The Paterno Question

January 23rd, 2012
11:29 am

Praying

“God, Do I save my life and legacy by looking the other way, while these children are raped and sodomized by homosexuality or do I ignore my life’s work and do all I can to save these your children? It is a very difficult question for me and my soul is on fire, yes lord my soul is at stack, its torn between the soul of the children or my love for my career and university, please let me hear your council and I will decide what I shall do…”

I understand your challenge and surely these are the times that try men souls. It is that day that I have called you to answer so be careful what you choose.

Mark 35- 38 KJV

“For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

Luke 9:23-25

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
KJV

Matt 10:37-39

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

KJV

Now, Joe Paterno, you decide what you shall do with your soul.

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Joe Mama – I agree about Al, you never know if and when the old Al comes back after that injury. But the only serious move i see us making, if any, besides a Hinrich for Boris Diaw or something, is us thinking we can’t sign Josh in Free Agency, and trading he and Hinrich or Marvin for Gasol.

But we may just try to limp thru the season and do nothing, you never know we this bunch.

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“I like them both – ain’t gotta diss the one to make the other shine – just be a Hawks fan – much easier.”

Co-sign

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Since when does a single injury result in someone being “injury prone”?

I remember a few years ago someone suggested that trading Josh for Dirk would be foolish. Of course, that was before anyone thought Dirk could deliver a title without another superstar by his side.

Steve, I’m not sure if the T’wolves are under the cap… it seems like trading Hinrich’s $8 for Miller’s $4.7M wouldn’t work unless they do have cap room. That’s why I was previously adding a filler from us and Ridnour from them. But no way in the world would I trade a 1st round pick for Miller. He hasn’t been effective in 2 seasons. I only brought him up because Sund showed interest previously and he could easily fit into the same offensive schemes that employed Horford. But he is not likely worth a 1st round pick.

OB, I support adding a big, just saying that we need a big who can actually get on the court. If any of those guys were 2-3 weeks away, don’t you think they would have been signed by the 20+ teams who desperately need big man depth?

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Yea I too remember that playoffs where Al ripped his ankle out of socket and was lost for the playoffs. Another let down. I agree Al need to learn to play healthy and not get injured so much.

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So I guess the question should be framed, ” can josh win a championship with out a superstar at his side?”

I dont think so. but I can say this team isnt playing better with out Al because it is and and the spirit of this team now wants to fight and win more so than fight each other in the locker room for who gets to play what position.

I think along with Josh, and JJ, you will need to add 1 more to our very own big 3. and by necessity that 3rd needs to be a center to optimized the in/out game and give us the needed interior defense.

We dont need another “big” we need a center.

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*but I cant say this team isnt playing better with out Al because it is

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Larry Drew is a fart and has already cost us 3 games this year

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DMB, remember Cartwright and Rodman didn’t play together. So MJ first won with Grant and Cartwright (neither all stars) as his front court.

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“This comment reminds me of what the MJ Bulls did with Bill Cartwright on the baseline. All he did was mainly rebound and defend and hit that ugly baseline, indefensible, fade away jumper from 7 feet. Of course, Rodman was doing his HOF thang too.”

Thats true.

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The Melo/Amare combination is working out as well as I would expect a D12/Josh combination.

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Funny how many people forget that Rodman LED the NCAA in scoring for two seasons (similar to Johnson in DLeague).

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Are you sure we’re playing better without Al? We got trounced by two good teams on the road without Al, and beat 3 bad, and 1 good team.

With Al we came within an eyelash of going 4-0 against the Heat and Bulls, and we lost to a mediocre team in Houston.

And Joe Mama – I don’t know where you went to statistics school at man, but as I said, figures don’t lie, but liars can figure. Your doing the math all wrong, including Al’s stats from the game he only played 5 minutes in, not including prior years stats etc.

Al is better than 12 and 8 on a consistent basis, and you know it, give it up man.

But I can’t wrestle with a hog as they say, or I’m gonna get dirty…

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Re: Ra’mon

Rodman did’nt play with Luc longley for those first 3 rings did he? I was a rookie fan back then so, i was mouth wide open just watching MJ and Nique back then. So, what center did Rodman play with …?

kinda’ makes my point though, the center wasnt the superstar … the guards were soooo good back then, they dominated in the absence of BIGS.

thanks ra’mon for the correction though. (smile)

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Ra’mon – I suggested the same trade when Portland was here – but Portland is too thin at C to consider that trade probably.

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truth al career at 12.8 and 9.5

in stats class one could legitimately round up to 13 and 10.

reference is here:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4245

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SteveW, Al truly is only a 15 and 9 player. And Al is known to disappear for 4-5 games at a time. With all that being said, he is still the third best player on a 2nd round playoff team.

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Rodman played with the most underrated defensive C in the history of the league, in Luc Longley.

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doc thank you. I agree, no argument. If you wanted to round stats up to the next highest level that would no longer be an average. as a whole Al is 12/9 but if you like the sound of 13 and 10 better, well me too, but that not his average. 12 and 9 is. whats behind the decimal if it ain’t 9999.9 irrelevant.

What rounding off really says is ” with a little more effort, this guy could easily be…” I have never seen the “little more effort from Al”

Im not one to add numbers the players havent earned. I dont want to casually toss in a .5 here or a .5 there to make their numbers look better. It is what it is.

But I do see your point.

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D League is stripped bare of Bigs because of the dearth of quality Bigs in the NBA right now. Since Chris Daniels went back to Korea, the two best bigs are Marcus Lewis – 6-8 245 (about the same size as Ivan) has about the same efficiency rating as Ivan and averages 15.6 points and 14.0 rebounds shooting 55.9%.

7-0 265 Jeff Foote – a legit 7-0.25 without shoes, 265, averages 15.1 and 9.0 on 54.7% shooting – but Grandad says he’s garbage, and I trust Grandad on that one. He is young – 24, so he may become a player some day, but probably not right now in the NBA.

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Joe Mama – You said – “LAST SEASON AL WAS 12 and 7, ( seems you’ve added 3 pts and 2 boards. LMAO) ”

Umm – Joe Mama – lay off the reefer man – that is this seasons stats! – and it’s 12.8 and 7 after a few games, and he was hurt and only played 5 minutes in one of those.

Dude – you’ve left reefer and are into glue or somethin’

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Astro Joe

January 23rd, 2012
1:44 pm

Bullz eye!!

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Ramon, as long as they weren’t both trying to block every shot, they could be good together defensively. History shows us that when two elite shot blockers come together, only one typically maintains their career average as only one is the primary help defender. On offense, they are both better served in the post, sweeping across the lane. And Josh is also super good at drawing the double team and making the nice pass out of the post. I don’t think it would work out much better than what the Knicks are seeing.

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Bogut Sucks

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Joe Mama – 12.8 and 9.5 is a little different than 12 and 8 isn’t it? And you act like even that is the player he is now, even though he’s improved and averaged 15.3 and 9.3 last season.

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joe mama, too funny. love ya man and you are on a tear. what stat class did you attend in high school and college? this is basics, you dont round down unless the decimal is less than .5; sorry, only can go up. so either say it real or do it how a mathematician does it or be wrong or accused of making it up, your choice.

but glad we agree. heh heh and not the first time.

aj we cant give up two firsts two years in a row first of all i think so we have to draft someone this year. oh boy a draft party! i hope we have got the sense to not give up more than a second if we had to since they dont amount to a hill of beans in this organization for the guy.

i wonder if there is anyone out there that wants hinrich for something we want to get something back, instead of giving away?

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That Goode!

Dang SteveW!

My baby said “reefer” LOL! I know every generation has their “dog whistle” on what they call weed … but “reefer”? That reminds me of my thug love boyfriend – Stanley in the 9th grade smoking with strawberry flavored papers.

Speaking of Stanley … haven’t heard that name since the LLord on that show … Three’s Company. Boy, was Stanley the best kisser I ever had, sweet minty breath and beautiful clean teeth. Aaaahhh … The good ole days. Just wow! LOL

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Ramon, think you can convince either Dwight or Josh to take the same number of FGAs as Big Ben did in those championship years? Good luck. And as much as I would like to believe that D12 and Josh have the same championship and team focus as The Admiral and Duncan, for some strange reason, I can’t convince myself of that.

If you take emotion out of the equation, Howard and Horford are a far more complementary pairing than Howard and Josh. IMO, it isn’t even close.

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Rufus, LOL. Would you prefer John Edwards? Etan Thomas? Randolph Morris? Oh, the list is endless…. sadly, endless. (But I liked Estee Batista… kind of an Ivan type, with less skill and more broken bones in his wake).

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AJ, I don’t think so when it comes to Horford and Howard compared to Josh and Howard. Horford hasn’t proven to be able to even guard the PF position yet. And to be honest, when you don’t have a 6th man on the team like Jamal, you can see there will be more than enough shots to go around. And for Joe, it would be less shots, but his scoring will go up, because his shots will be against single coverage or wide open. Not to mention when you have Dwight you’re immediately in the penalty anytime you drive the lane.

And I strongly believe Dwight is a championship minded player. Its not his fault that Otis Smith let go of the 2nd best player on their NBA Finals team (Hedo) right after they went to the Finals. Than tried to replace him with an aging Vince Carter. D12, Josh, Joe, and Teague would have something in common that D12 never had with anyone on his team besides M. Pietrus, and that’s the love of playing defense. Every night it would be hard for a team to score more than 92 points against the Hawks. Also, you say that Horford would work better than Josh with D12. But notice how opposing PGs always do pick and rolls with Horford getting the switch, not Josh. With Josh and Howard, what PG/SG really will want to switch defensive match ups without giving up the rock.

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AJ, also, Josh creates his own shot and shots for other more than Horford, and something that Howard isn’t good at. So Josh is a better match up. Josh is the best passer out of a double team (including Joe) that the Hawks have on the team. Everything that Horford does better than Josh (which is only a few) Josh is closer to being on that level, than Horford is to being on the level of the things Josh does better. Josh is rebounding at the same clip as Horford, now that Teague is in back court and able to get back on defense.

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Astro Joe

I would take the D-league Allstar with the best skill set…..

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AJ, also, the entire thing Atlanta has to make D12 want to play here is the fact of playing with Josh, not Al.

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Batista!

“(But I liked Estee Batista… kind of an Ivan type, with less skill and more broken bones in his wake).” -Astro Joe-
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OMG Estan was killing his teammates in practice, Didn’t he blow up somebody’s knee for the season? Lenny put a velvet rope around Smitty’s legs in practice.

John Edwards had “leg compartment syndrome” ala Garrison Hearst … and rode the bench the whole time. Alan Henderon was most improved one year and never seen again, except for “ridin’ ’round and gettin’ it!” In his drop top two toned tan and brown Bentley! Ed Gray … Adam Keefe … Grant Long “pump fake” master … Jimmy Jackson of the “Three Live J’s” was fighting Jason Kidd over some “hoe” who was that girl? Tyra Banks? Then she was stalking C-Webb ….. Man, the NBA was HIGH DRAMA back then! The good old days!

I went to a lot of Nique’s parties at the Westin and Marriott downtown … Birthday Bashes ….. High Top Fades … Kid ‘N Play shirts … Loud colored suits, Now & Later Gators … Stacey Adams … Just man oh man!

I’ve met Nique’ so many times and he was always so nice, normal and friendly! His family would goto the “Disco Kroger’s” on Pone De Leon and put groceries on his tab and no one paid. Nique would be on the west coast and his sisters would load the carts with: Lobster, Steaks, Wine and Beer without him knowing it! It would be in the AJC for all to know! Poor Nique’. Gerald said he changed his phone No. Weekly and told Nique to cut them off!

The players back then were so normal and accessible and they threw huge “V103 HOSTED” hotel parties every night of the week! Wed to Sun. We packed that toilet bowl called The Omni Arena man!

Anybody else remember that?

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“Three Live J’s” was fighting Jason Kidd over some “hoe” who was that girl? Tyra Banks”-DMB

Toni Braxton

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dmb, estaban bautista put a hurt on jj causing a deep bleeding contusion so great in his calf he was done for the season and had a long recuperation. they probably followed him closely for a compartment syndrome after that one.

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Why is Marvin Williams on an NBA roster ?

He is one of the worst basketball players I have ever seen……

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“I wonder if being the head coach of the Hawks is like being a first grade teacher:”

A lot of positions that require managing people are very similar to teaching elementary school children.

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AJ, we’re just going to agree to disagree on the topic, lol. Also, for what its worth, Josh Smith was one of the three players D12 told Smith to bring in, if he wants him to re-sign in Orlando. Also, in the half court offense, Josh is still the best facilitator for others on the team, aside from TMac. And Josh is able to take just about any PF off the dribble, and even more so now that his mid range is falling more.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings/_/year/2012/week/4…Befuddled writers

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Steve, John Salley was a reference to the movie “Eddie”. I’m not sure how Teague plays into a discussion about Brad Miller and how to acquire a Horford replacement, you’ll have to explain how those things come together. And if Brad Miller returns and is so healthy and productive that he is worth a 1st round pick, wouldn’t the Wolves do better to try and move Darko? You’re right, sometime around 20 years ago, there were HOF players who came out of a state of relative unproductiveness to do some good things. Two decades+ ago. You’re right.

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Rufus1! Ha Ha! Toni Braxton – “Love shoulda’ brought you home last night.”. LOL! She signed one of the worst modern day music contracts with Dallas Austin and kenny Edmonds – Baby Face ‘Nem! She thought she was rich till the house note bounced after them 2K hair cuts.

Hella, my dad was a big time Barber in Jamacia Queens … He had 90% female clientele … he would have tightened her fade up for “favors” she definitely over paid. LOL!

I met her whole family @ Club 112 two years back: Mom, Sisters, Aunt and Uncle. I was celebrating my B-Day and their table had a BDay Cake. Turn’s out her Mom and I were both born the same date, so they gave me a slice of cake. Never met her though. Toni B. got that Barry Gordy Motown Contract terms – SCREWED! I thought we could read now a days. Oh my!

Rufus! Not’s a throw back name too. LOL!

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AJ, I didn’t think he asked for Big Baby. I thought it was Josh, Monta, and someone else. The only reason he doesn’t have Atlanta listed as a top destination is A-S-G. For me, he doesn’t even have to sign an extension yet. Long as he agrees not to opt out this off season, and give the Hawks at least a full season, I say the deal is more than worth it. Because if it doesn’t work out, you still have him, Josh, and Marvin coming off of the books at the end of next year. And you’re able to amnesty Joe, then if you choose. Get to start off from scratch with a new GM. So either way, something is going to happen. And you know THIS way, you’ll make a lot of money from ticket sales and merchandising throughout the next year and a half.

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