Cavaliers at Atlanta Hawks: Game thread
C-Viv reporting from Philips Arena.
Hawks coach Larry Drew did not use the word “quit” again to describe the Hawks’ performance Friday night at the 76ers. However, the coach did not back off his post-game comments.
Drew would not single any particular player out. He also said he has not address the team following his post-game comments.
Here are some quotes from Drew during his pre-game interview:
“I’m not going to call out any names. It got a little tough and we didn’t respond. We did not respond.”
“Yes [he stands by his post-game comments], I went back and watched it. We had a good first half. They made a run in the third quarter and, as stated, we didn’t respond to it, which is very disappointing. I’ve made statements in the past, I really thought we had turned that corner a little bit in that situation. Teams are going to make runs. Good teams are going to make runs. Philadelphia is a really good team. They played very well. We talked about it at halftime, that that team was going to make a run. We couldn’t fold the tent when they did. We had to mentally be strong and push our way through it when they did. That was not the response we got when they made the run.”
“What I said last night after the game is done. It’s time to move on.”
“Shot selection [was the reason for the poor second half]. Bad shot selection against a team as good as Philadelphia. Bad shot selection is just as good as turnovers. That’s what gets the team going… For a half we played and followed our game plan. Then we came out in the third quarter and completely lost focus of what got us the lead in the first half.”
“Certainly having a key guy like Al [Horford] that can bring some stability in a situation like that. He’s been the type of guy that would get guys to settle down and was vocal in the huddles. Those are the type of situations where you can use a guy like that because his presence along, being on the floor and being in the huddle, is definitely felt.”
“I think it’s everybody’s responsibility, mine included, when you get in those situations you have to be very aware of the flow of the game. Players on the floor have to be aware of the situation. Certainly our guys felt the momentum shift in that third quarter yesterday. And yet, we continue to be seduced into taking ill-advised shots. I just thought we had turned the corner from that. That was the disappointing part. We will bounce back from it. It’s not the end of the world. It’s not a situation where we are going to cave in. We are going to learn from last night’s game and we are going to continue to try to get better and better.”
Here are a couple comments from Jerry Stackhouse, the 16-year NBA veteran:
“Hopefully we respond positively. It’s one game. In a long NBA season you are going to have nights like that. But it was a little disappointing to see with almost four minutes left in the game, a 12-point game, we called off the dogs so to speak. But I guess from being around this group [coach Larry Drew] sensed something he’s seen before. Hopefully we can get past that. We’ve talked about growth a lot with this group. Maybe the message after the game and the fact we have a game right back today, we can come back and make amends for not finishing the game the way we should have.”
“It’s on the individual. When you are dealing with a team you’ve got to know which players to push and which players to coddle. The guys that need coddling might be affected differently. We hope not. Hopefully everybody looks at it for what it was. I think his comments were spot on. Now it’s just a matter of responding. More so than what he said last night, he’s looking for a response. Hopefully we can give the proper response tonight.”
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Bigman needed
January 21st, 2012
11:17 pm
Hinrich has value. He was crucial to upset of magic last year. He was playing at a high level. Several contenders could use a ph. He is also on an expiring deal.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
January 21st, 2012
11:25 pm
*YAWN*
Headed to Rio next week.
FIRE SUND
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
11:31 pm
Bahia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah!..
Give-us us free [Amistad]
January 21st, 2012
11:45 pm
Mike D’Antoni deserves to get fired after leading the New York Knicks to a 6-10 record after 16 games this season. I heard Larry Hughes was quoted as saying that he [D'Antoni] plays mind games with his players. He [D'Antoni] unnecessarily benched Nate Robinson for a month [approx. 12-14 games] for essentially taking a practice shot at the Knicks own goal after a quarter-ending buzzer sounded. Nate Robinson’s first game back from that suspension was when he [Robinson] lit up the Hawks for, I believe, 41 or 42 points in Atlanta. D’Antoni, in his first year with the Knicks, told Jamal Crawford that he really loved his [Crawford's] game and he wanted to make him [Crawford] an All-Star with the Knicks but, after the first 11 games with the Knicks during the 2008-2009 regular season, Crawford was shipped to the Golden State Warriors. This guy, D’Antoni, is a complete phony, fraud, and a pathological liar; he cannot be trusted. Mike D’Antoni is extremely overrated[sp.?] as a quality head coach in the NBA. During his tenure with the Phoenix Suns, D’Antoni had an experienced, outstanding point guard in Steve Nash who knew how to run a fast-paced, high-powered offense. Steve Nash is an excellent passer, facilitator, distributer and play-maker. Steve Nash is such a great floor general that he is basically a coach on the court; he knows how to quarterback an NBA team from an offensive standpoint. D’Antoni has an overall losing record with the Knicks. Last season ['10-'11], the Knicks finished with a record of 42-40 and made the playoffs as a sixth [6th] seed but were swept 4-0 by the Celtics. This guy [D'Antoni] has two max[imum contract] players [Carmelo Anthony and Amar'e Stoudemire] and a top-tier center [Tyson Chandler] and his team still has a losing record. I say give this guy [D'Antoni] the boot and give the team over to Mike Woodson. The NY Knicks’ players are not responding to his [D'Antoni's] message and have clearly given up on him [Mike D'Antoni].
Grandmaster JeJe
January 21st, 2012
11:46 pm
*YAWN*
Headed to Rio next week.
FIRE SUND
*****
FIRE LD
O'Brien
January 21st, 2012
11:51 pm
Cavs lost to the Bulls by 34 in Cleveland last night…and D-Rose did not even play.
So why should I be impressed by a 27 point Hawks victory at home?
O'Brien
January 21st, 2012
11:58 pm
Marvin enjoys playing the Cavs…since LeBron left. Last season, in 3 games against Cleveland, Marvin had 22 and 4, 17 and 4, 31 and 7.
Ken Strickland
January 22nd, 2012
12:11 am
KHinrich is already under contract, and even though he’s inactive and on IR, his salary still counts toward our salary and luxury tax figures. Therefore, our salary and luxury cap figures will remain the same when he returns, so we won’t have to cut anyone, unless we choose to do so. I believe we’ll make our 1st cut just before salaries become guaranteed, which is sometime in Feb.
It seems that VRad is in a bit of a slump, but Pargo, Green and TMac have certainly taken up the slack. IJohnson does so many little, but very important things that don’t appear on the stat sheet. Johnson, Green, TMac, VRad and Pargo has given us far more DEF, rebounding, scoring, assists, steals, 3pt shooting, versatility, and overall production, than any bench we’ve had this decade.
Teague has already become a weapon on both ends of the court, and he’s only going to get better.
doc
January 22nd, 2012
12:13 am
woody, still has relatives living in atlanta i guess. better send this great info to owner dolans who is the only one who cares about this info and the second worst owner in the league.
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 22nd, 2012
12:44 am
Lame Duck!
“Ya’ll may have seen this from Hoopsworld – “Kirk Hinrich is available in a trade, sources tell Hoopsworld.com.” – Goes on to talk about Al’s injury, and our need for size. So we’ll see” -SteveW-
______________
Too bad our resident Lame Duck may have present company IF, Kirk goes back into hibernation and assume a Lame Duck role as well to avoid being traded.
I know the trade deadline has been extended until some point in March. Does anyone think Kirk may thwart his come back to damage his trade value by not showing his wares?
The main thing working against him is that attractive expiring 8M contract. IMHO
Problem is, what center will shake loose for 8M or slightly less to get The ASKG back under the 12:43:51 AM by the deadline? Najeh has been pushing for Kaman, I like that.
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 22nd, 2012
12:49 am
* back under the (Luxury Tax) … LOL@ auto correct inserting a date for the L.T.
Hmmmm
January 22nd, 2012
1:01 am
GO HAWKS. HOW BOUT THEM KNICKS? LOL
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 22nd, 2012
1:08 am
Woe!!!!!! Sounds like a porn site in here. I missed the game and was enjoying the bloggers game thread, but wow! IDK that the DUI guy was the resident troll too?
DUI has come out of the character I once enjoyed so much.
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 22nd, 2012
1:28 am
RIP!
doc! Is joepa deceased? Wow, that is very sad to hear, IDK he was having some serious health issues? I check those links after I’m done reading here.
I feel sorry for the “state” and State of PA. Tough year for the victims and others.
Admiral Ackbar
January 22nd, 2012
1:41 am
ANDRE IGLUODALA, GTFO of here.
ITS A TRAP!!!
Hmmmm
January 22nd, 2012
1:57 am
https://twitter.com/#!/therrick20/status/160970291001036801/photo/1
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
January 22nd, 2012
2:38 am
Ivan Johnson For Rookie of the Year
Najeh Davenpoop
January 22nd, 2012
3:21 am
The Hawks blew out a team they are supposed to blow out. Good to see them bounce back from Friday’s disappointing loss, but they did what they were supposed to do. Can’t take too much away from this game than that.
One thing I did like, though, is that they seemed to start the 3rd quarter with a sense of determination to not suffer a similar letdown like the Sixers game. Maybe LD’s questionable motivational tactics got through to them, maybe they just got tired of letting teams back in to games, or maybe Cleveland just sucks. In any case hopefully it continues on the road trip.
GET A CENTER HAWKS,HORSFORD IS A PF
January 22nd, 2012
6:11 am
IM GLAD MIAMI BLEW THE 76ERS OUT THE WATER
Grandmaster JeJe
January 22nd, 2012
8:28 am
O’Brien
January 21st, 2012
11:58 pm
Marvin enjoys playing the Cavs…since LeBron left. Last season, in 3 games against Cleveland, Marvin had 22 and 4, 17 and 4, 31 and 7.
*****
he had 12 and 3 last night
Grandmaster JeJe
January 22nd, 2012
8:31 am
Drmaryb
I know the trade deadline has been extended until some point in March. Does anyone think Kirk may thwart his come back to damage his trade value by not showing his wares?
Do you think he doesn’t want to get traded?
Ken Strickland
January 22nd, 2012
10:08 am
If Pargo, Green and TMac keep producing like they’re currently producing, we just might see Hinrich traded after all. Also, Is Kaman even available? The problem with trading for Kaman is I believe he has an expiring contract as well. So I don’t see New Orleans trading a starting 7′ Big with an expiring contract for a backup combo guard, also with an expiring contract.
Now, adding Zaza might get their attention, but we’d be left in a bind if he refused to resign. I’ve read statements about teams being interested in signing Prizybilla, and how he’s tired of the Blazers calling him. What exactly is his status? Is he healthy enough to play, or just being selective. It was said however, that he’s only interested in signing with a title contender. The Blazers have 2 pretty decent 7′+ centers, and both have a history of being fragile and are on IR.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
January 22nd, 2012
10:11 am
Where were you guys last night when I had Ivan Johnson run his rod down my throat? I was trying to call for help but every time I opened my mouth he ran his shaft further down my throat.
It was just awful. It was just awful, just awful
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
January 22nd, 2012
10:20 am
I d like to thank the AJC for cumming to my rescue last night and for blocking the IP of all the people who post against Al Horford. It is very important to make the viewer believe that we are a pro Al city. While that certainly isnt true and that is reflected at the turnstile we need to keep up the facade that
Al is important piece of the team. So, in addition to the continued blocking of IP’s that are not pro Al please also block all of the stories about Al’s divisive attitude and how the hawks are a much better team with out him.
We dont need that kind of information being spread.
Thank you.
Does any body have a cure for a sore throat?
doc
January 22nd, 2012
11:04 am
apparantly the game is over for joe pa as he died this am from official family release.
as an aside, in chinese medicine the lung, the site of his cancer, harbors grief. my thoughts were he was very much affected by the scandal and was out of his league in knowing what to do to handle it. as in many, the body told the rest of the story. joe pa died of lung cancer and grief. it didnt surprise me at all when it was announced in such a short time after his firing the site and the plight he would bear:
i hope history is kinder and more compassionate to a not perfect man, like us all, than the cowardly administrators and national media and other henchmen that came out when the story broke. penn state knew this was coming for at least six months and just as they had buried their heads in inactivity before hand they continued to think it would go awaymajd felt the best way to silence the story was to fire joe pa. it wont.
Alan
January 22nd, 2012
11:05 am
Trivia question – How many sellouts have the Hawks had this year? ZERO! Nobody cares about the Hawks!
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
January 22nd, 2012
11:32 am
“drmaryb is thick with a nice ass. I added her on facebook.I love those big manhood warmers she’s sitting on.” – Grandad
Well Dam.
FIRE LD
Joe Mama
January 22nd, 2012
11:34 am
Lets see, Sandusky the Homosexual and Joe’s coach, rapes little boys sodomizing them in the locker rooms and at home. The knowledge of the acts is made know to Joe P who does absolutely nothing.
Omission equates to condoning.
How involved was Joe P that he kept his mouth shut? Did Joe own Child pornography?
Was Joe a part of a covert ring of homosexual child molesters?
We may never know the answers because of the cover ups, Joes death and his silence while living.
Now you want some kind legacy for a man who looked the other way while boys were being sodomized by a homosexual.
The only legacy I have for Joe is FCK JOE PUNK HE IS NO MAN!
Good by and good riddance!!
After further review
January 22nd, 2012
11:36 am
Calling obesity “thick” is the same as calling a wilder-beast a gazelle.
Joe Mama
January 22nd, 2012
11:42 am
“cowardly administrators and national media and other henchmen that came out when the story broke. penn state knew this was coming for at least six months and just as they had buried their heads in inactivity before hand…..”
Im not ready to vilify the press and canonize Joe. lets do the opposite. Lets credit the press for breaking the story and vilify Joe for what his character revealed, – A heartless, spineless punk.
That to me is a more logical conclusion.
phil
January 22nd, 2012
12:08 pm
Well said, Doc.
Joe Mama, you need immediate help from a certified mental health pro.
Seek it. Quickly.
STRETCH
January 22nd, 2012
12:08 pm
Hinrich is close to playing next week, is this true? Then who gets the ax?
Ryan M.
January 22nd, 2012
12:19 pm
You know. . . its amazing with this crowd; every single substandard or bad game is proof that the team is no good. . and every good game is “Just a fluke”. If they string together several wins. . its irrelevant – if they have one loss – its the ‘real’ Hawks and all the wins don’t matter.
BlackBird1999
January 22nd, 2012
12:42 pm
The Hawks need to play Ivan Johnson more. That dude is tough competitor, and he can board while Al is out.
He also brings energy, to the team!
Josh get under the basket where you belong.
Joe Mama
January 22nd, 2012
12:43 pm
Phil you sandusky, joe paterno , all of you’ll can go to hell. like the ultra left wing leftest that want to make homosexuality the equivalent of an ethnicity, which it is not.
How long will you call evil good and good evil? There is nothing healthy or good about what Joe P or his brother Sandusky did. Im not going to call wrong right or right wrong, Joe Paterno, Eddie Long, Sandusky and the rest of his like kind can go to Hell. Do not pass go do not collect 100 dollars.
The world is a better place with out them.
Astro Joe
January 22nd, 2012
12:49 pm
JeJe, I’m not sure why you would even begin to question a player’s character when his return is AHEAD of schedule. WHy would he be putting in the rehab work to return ahead of schedule if he wants to fake a problem to miss the trade deadline? And why would he want to stay on the Hawks when they are incapable of doing much right (at least according to a handful of bloggers around here)? I think he is busting his butt to get out of Atlanta as fast as possible, wouldn’t that be more consistent with the way many think?
Meanwhile, back in reality, keep an eye on Brad Miller. Sund evidently tried to acquire him last summer and he is returning from his own rehab in the coming weeks. He has an unguaranteed contract next year. Maybe some form of Hinrich + filler for Miller & Ridnaur could work. Personally, I don’t want Pargo as Teague’s backup. We’d be one twisted ankle away from having poor PG play agian (sorry, Pargo may be good in 10-15 minutes/game… but let’s not push it).
Joe Mama
January 22nd, 2012
12:51 pm
Phil and Astro are more concerned about a coach’s football legacy than the unrepairable damage that has been done to the minds and bodies of innocent, defenseless children who we as adults, by spiritual inheritance and moral integrity, are to protect.
Shame on Joe P, Sandusky and Eddie long. I find their actions abusive, perverted and unconscionable. All three deserve time in prison but if their money power and fame gives them the get out of jail free card, they shall not escape hell.
Joe Mama
January 22nd, 2012
12:53 pm
* correction message was to include doc, not the great astro. my bad.
doc
January 22nd, 2012
12:56 pm
phil, i was not defending the man and his actions any more than he did after the event took its toll. he wishes it could have turned out better and said so but he did report it to the correct authorities who actually ere the head of the university park police department. for those unaware, the police department is contained in the university administration to which he reported for work and reported the incident. legally, he was the only person not under any more review from his level up including the president and the prosecutor who personally addressed the press said he did what he was supposed to do and handled it through proper channels. i dont find the guilt, since after the first winds blew in 1998 sandusky was off staff and when the event occurred in 2002 sandusky was not an employee of the school nor obviously a coach on paterno’s staff. seems like bridges had been burned between them. the university continued the relationship forward. many upstanding people were fooled. the list was long and a premier one of people involved with the man and what he supposedly represented.
Astro Joe
January 22nd, 2012
12:57 pm
Pargo, Sloan, Ivan and Stack all have unguaranteed contracts and the Hawks must cut at least 2 (I think) to get under the luxury tax threshold by the end of the season. If they shed some money in a trade, that would also help. If they were really creative, they would create some coaching position for Stack, put him in that role and then cut Stack & Sloan from the players roster.
Grandmaster JeJe
January 22nd, 2012
12:57 pm
“JeJe, I’m not sure why you would even begin to question a player’s character when his return is AHEAD of schedule. WHy would he be putting in the rehab work to return ahead of schedule if he wants to fake a problem to miss the trade deadline? And why would he want to stay on the Hawks when they are incapable of doing much right (at least according to a handful of bloggers around here)? I think he is busting his butt to get out of Atlanta as fast as possible, wouldn’t that be more consistent with the way many think?”
Don’t ask me. Drmaryb proposed that idea. I have no idea what Hinrich wants. I think we are pretty set in the backcourt so if we can get a big for him, I’m all for it. Calm down.
Joe Mama
January 22nd, 2012
1:04 pm
“when the event occurred in 2002 sandusky was not an employee of the school nor obviously a coach on paterno’s staff.”
There was more than one event and more than one boy. at last count more that 10 boys have claims of being molested by Sandusky. Who knows how long this has been going on? when the assistant coach walked in and saw him in the act and the little boy begged for help, it was reported to J. Paterno, who on only one occasion casually mentioned it to the police instead of taking a proactive activist approach he did nothing further, choosing rather to tolerate it than to man up and show leadership.
Paterno is no leader.
Joe Mama
January 22nd, 2012
1:12 pm
“Sandusky says he is innocent of more than 50 charges stemming from what authorities say were sexual assaults over 15 years on 10 boys in his home, on Penn State property and elsewhere. The scandal has provoked strong criticism that Penn State officials didn’t do enough to stop Sandusky, and prompted the departures of Hall of Fame football coach Joe Paterno and the school’s longtime president, Graham Spanier.”
http://newsone.com/nation/associatedpress4/sandusky-mcqueary-trial-molestation/
Buddy Grizzard
January 22nd, 2012
1:13 pm
Stack definitely angling for a spot on LD’s staff with his “spot on” comment.
Joe Mama
January 22nd, 2012
1:18 pm
Cut Stack and Sloan, then amnesty Al and use that money to go after a permanent center thats not prone to injury and is an aggressive defender in the post.
POST OF THE DAY?
Ryan M at 12:19
phil
January 22nd, 2012
1:47 pm
Joe Mama – thanks for wishing me to hell.
That’s pretty christian of you. Sometimes you self-righteous sorts can look kinda foolish.
Astro Joe
January 22nd, 2012
1:48 pm
Buzzy, yeah, at the same time there is reason to believe that Stack truly agreed with LD’s statement. If bloggers can watch players deviate from the script in a 10 point 3rd quarter, surely someone like Stack can see the same.
doc
January 22nd, 2012
2:03 pm
joe mama, i said two events witnessed on campus, one in 1998 the one in 2002. paterno and the then student coach who witnessed it was in 2002 and then reported it to the head of police in the penn state system and is what they were supposed to do by law. what else could they do? interstingly sandusky was not hired back for 1999 season. in their legal system it is all under the school surveillance and the assistant to the president is the chief of police who were also their bosses in the convoluted scheme in university park pa. so why would you say he didnt report it when he did? it is not the truth and why would you perpetrate something that is a lie? why do you doubt the lead prosecutor as well?
again, there were two purported events on the campus, one in 1998 witnessed by a service employee who later became mentally incompetent, the second in 2002 when sandusky was not an employee by the assistant coach who came to paterno and then the two of them reported it to the police. i really dont know why you dont see it the way it was and reported by the lead prosecutor at the state level. this was breaking in march or april of 2011 and she gave the administration and board a heads up it was coming.
it is very sad and it occurs in homes daily. i treat victims of these types of crimes by their supposed loved ones. it is indefensible to be a part of the crime as any crime. being a witness and doing the correct procedural thing is obviously defensible since he and the assistant coach were not part of the crime by actions legally not taken against either. how do you see it otherwise when there is no justification for your argument?
yup, you are right about ryan’s comment fewer responses when the hawks do it well than when they dont. in the mean time i hope we can find a legit big to bring on board. would love to see sund steal something for nothing. in the mean time put ivan on a crash course to learn the post and leave collins out of the mix as we know what he can and cant do. find out what ivan can do.
Melvin
January 22nd, 2012
2:03 pm
Astro,
I agree the Hawks may need to cut 1 or 2 players once Kirk return. Sloan and Stack are probably the most likely candidates. However, if they can’t find a good deal for Hinrich that return a quality big man then I prefer them to sign Sheed. I think a guy like Sheed could contribute more than any other big that’s available including Pryzbilia. It was reported that Sheed is in better condition now than he was with the Celtics. So maybe the year off did him some good and keep in mind he retired on his own will instead of being forced to by injury.
Melvin
January 22nd, 2012
2:10 pm
doc,
Not to say Joe Pa was wrong or right but the one thing I have to ask is why didn’t he simply fired the guy? Head coaches fire and hire asst coaches all the time and don’t have to give a reason as to why. Especially a legendary coach like Joe Pa. I think it would have look much better for him had he gotten rid of the guy from his staff immediately after incident(s) were reported to him.