Atlanta Hawks: Sixers 90, Hawks 76

Philadelphia–Maybe after he watches the video and sleeps on it, Larry Drew will regret the choice of words. But he was unambiguous about his feelings in the immediate aftermath of his team’s second-half collapse.

  • Asked what happened in the third quarter, Drew said: “It got tough for us in the third quarter and we quit. That’s what happened.”
  • Harsh words coming for any NBA coach, especially one with a veteran team. There were more.
  • “I am hoping it’s out of character,” Drew said. “I saw a pattern with it last year and I thought we had turned the corner with it this year. Not the fact that we lost the game, but the fact that it got tough for us and we did not respond. You could see it in our faces and see it in our body language.”
  • “Teams are going to make runs,” Drew said. “It’s how you respond to runs. You either man up or you fold the tent. Tonight we certainly folded the tent in that third quarter. What’s disappointing is we talked about when a team makes a run, you play through it. You don’t hang your heads and feel sorry for yourself, you don’t start crying to officials. You have to respond by toughening up defensively, executing your stuff even harder. I’ve seen us do it before. Tonight we didn’t do it.”
  • “There are going to be more situations like this,” Drew said. “We have got to learn how to respond. More importantly, when it gets tough for us, we can’t hang our heads. I told the guys we had won four in a row and five of our last six. There was no reason to come out and put our heads down when things get tough.”
  • I don’t know if I would go so far as to say the Hawks quit. To me, things came apart for some familiar reasons: stagnating offense, poor shot selection, carelessness with the ball and their struggles to score affecting their defensive sharpness.
  • We’ve seen all of that lately from the Hawks; it’s just that the Sixers are good enough to seize on all those lapses and turn them into a running, dunking, ball-hawking, shot-making extravaganza.
  • The Hawks were stagnant on offense and sleepy on defense. They stood around at both ends, watching Philadelphia take open jump shots and taking turns launching rushed jump shots of their own. The Sixers were off and running.
  • “They picked up the intensity and we couldn’t make a shot,” Jeff Teague said. “That combination is always going to be bad. They got some easy transition baskets.”
  • Josh Smith was chapped by Drew invoking the “q” word: “Everybody is entitled to their opinion. If he felt that way, that’s his opinion. I just felt we got a little careless with the basketball. In times of adversity, everybody has to stick together. Everybody. Players and everybody, and keep everything positive. The slightest thing can deter a situation or an individual.”
  • Teague also rejected the characterization: “I don’t think nobody out there is trying to quit. They just made good plays. We don’t have no quitters on this team.”
  • Joe Johnson looked lethargic for most of the night (though surely long-limb menace Andre Iguodala had something to do with that). Deadlines prevented me from sticking around to get Joe’s perspective.
  • He tried to go Iso-Joe a few times with poor results. Then again, it was Iso-Everybody in the second half. Josh, Teague, Jannero Pargo, and Tracy McGrady also took turns trying to get it rolling on their own instead of sharing the ball like they did in the first half.
  • This was Josh’s worst game in a while. He was missing jumpers and had just six rebounds on a night the Hawks got pounded 51-32 on the boards. Josh did have a good game passing the ball. All four of his assists led to layups.
  • Teague was very good in the first half (five steals, nine points on six shots, four assists), not so good in the second. He could have been more aggressive when things came unraveled in the third quarter. Only once in the second half did he get into the lane to draw a foul.
  • It was the same pattern for T-Mac, who just didn’t have the same spark in the second half after he abused Evan Turner in the first half. The Hawks should run that pick-and-roll with him and Zaza Pachulia all the time. It almost always results in a score or free throws for Zaza or a short shot attempt by T-Mac.
  • Zaza was around the ball often when it came off the glass but frequently was beat to the spot.
  • Marvin Williams missed open Js and never stopped settling for them. He’s usually reliable with getting to the line when the offense stagnates but not tonight.
  • For long stretches Willie Green was the only thing working the Hawks on offense. Most nights the Hawks sort of figure out a way to get something out of the Green/Pargo combination.
  • I suppose Drew has to play Jason Collins on a semi-regular basis as long as there are only two centers on the roster but 19 minutes is beyond pushing it. During that time, Collins had two rebounds, ended up in a few bad switches and was painfully ineffective on close-outs.
  • Thaddeus Young ended up with 20 points and I don’t even really remember him doing anything special.
  • The Sixers are good, especially when they can get the tempo to their liking. They missed a lot of open 3s in the third quarter or things could have been even uglier for the Hawks.
  • “That was an incredible second half for our guys,” Doug Collins said. “The activity level defensively was off the charts. Everything we did tonight was triggered off our defense.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

194 comments Add your comment

Grandmaster JeJe

January 20th, 2012
11:07 pm

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CONservative Johnson

January 20th, 2012
11:10 pm

Poor response by Coach Drew. Panicking after a single bad game that followed a good stretch of good ones is just dumb . . .

Grandmaster JeJe

January 20th, 2012
11:12 pm

SIGN A CENTER ASG

WTF

CONservative Johnson

January 20th, 2012
11:12 pm

I also think Coach Drew’s rotation on a game to game basis has no rhyme or reason. There is no reason that Vlad shouldn’t get in the game at all (previous game) or that Ivan Johnson shouldn’t play until the game is a blowout (like tonight) . . .

MattP

January 20th, 2012
11:13 pm

LMAO @ LD “but the fact that it got tough for us and we did not respond.”

The coach is suppose to respond and tell the players what to do in that situation.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 20th, 2012
11:14 pm

Collins + Zaza: 39 minutes, 4/5, 1/1 FTs, 9 pts, 5 reb, 2 ast, 3 turnovers, 0 blk. That is the center position for the Hawks right now.

Kirk to the Lakers into their trade exception. Pick from the Lakers to a 3rd team. Big man from a 3rd team to the Hawks. It works in the trade machine for pretty much every big man I tried.

Kirk + Zaza for Kaman
Kirk for Jason Thompson
Kirk for Ronny Turiaf + Jordan Crawford

Hmmmm

January 20th, 2012
11:15 pm

DREW SHOULD CHECK OUT THE MAN IN THE MIRROR. AND I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT A MICHAEL JACKSON SINGLE.

Astro Joe

January 20th, 2012
11:15 pm

Elton Brand went old school (at least on the boards). Oh well, there is another game soon enough.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 20th, 2012
11:15 pm

And for the “Zaza should play more minutes” crowd, Collins and Zaza split those 39 minutes pretty much evenly, and Collins accounted for about half those stats. So it’s not like Zaza did sh-t either. Oh yeah, and Collins was only -3 while Zaza was -11 and letting the Sixers get offensive rebounds on pretty much every possession in the second half of the 3rd quarter.

Grandmaster JeJe

January 20th, 2012
11:15 pm

“Blog: Drew wants better start to second half of games ”

LOL!!!!!!!!!

Grandmaster JeJe

January 20th, 2012
11:16 pm

Teague said we don’t have quitters on this team.

He must have forgotten when the whole team quit vs Orlando in the 2010 playoffs

Najeh Davenpoop

January 20th, 2012
11:18 pm

“He must have forgotten when the whole team quit vs Orlando in the 2010 playoffs”

Woody buried him so far down the bench in that series that he probably didn’t even see what happened.

Ra'mon

January 20th, 2012
11:18 pm

Wow, Drew surprised me with those comments. Did Drew quit? Why didn’t Drew go with a zone defense in the 3rd to deter the Sixers from pulling away? Or why didn’t he play Ivan Johnson more if he saw energy was a problem? I didn’t see LD, make any adjustments.

Hmmmm

January 20th, 2012
11:19 pm

“…RT @FISOLANYDN: Carmelo says you can’t compare the Knicks and Nuggets post trade because Denver “got five starters” Exactly. …”

QUOTE OF THE CENTURY RIGHT THERE FROM MELO LMAO

Micheal C.

January 20th, 2012
11:21 pm

Even know that Drew might regret what he said tomorrow but he is right, they just stop and quit tonight, besides you had them at under 40 points with 38% from the field and then let them destroy them in the second half. But in reality, they did quit, no matter what they say. They quit.

Will

January 20th, 2012
11:22 pm

hawks quit, again, once things got a little tough. The players can say whatever they want to say, they quit tonight against philly, and this is not the first time, they simple gave up.
No leadership, no heart, no guts, no fight. I would not want to go to battle with not one of these hawks
players. Barkley and the crew at tnt, nba tv, espn, they are exactly right when they bash the hawks, they are a very soft team.

Reality Check

January 20th, 2012
11:25 pm

Hawks’ hardest worker is done for the season. What do you expect? lol

Will

January 20th, 2012
11:29 pm

fans know, you are not going to win every gm, but when you simply quit, only thing worse than a quiter is a coward!!!!!

Adam

January 20th, 2012
11:29 pm

Joe Johnson’s MVP run continued tonight, despite what anybody else says.

He continues to own each and every one of you.

Slimjr

January 20th, 2012
11:30 pm

Hey DREW YOU QUIT BUBBA!!!!!!

Slimjr

January 20th, 2012
11:32 pm

Hmmmm

January 20th, 2012
11:15 pm

“DREW SHOULD CHECK OUT THE MAN IN THE MIRROR. AND I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT A MICHAEL JACKSON SINGLE.”

I co-sign… Larry took a step backward as a coach..Terrible job tonight….

Section 303

January 20th, 2012
11:33 pm

Will, give me a break with the Barkley bullsh#t.

I did not think the Hawks quit (not that they never have). I thought they went ice cold and started getting extremely careless with the ball. It was a crap outing for everyone not named Willie Green.

I was not that impressed with the Sixers. They won, but the Hawks helped them out a ton. Sixers will be in the postseason, probably. No chance at winning a series. And, Hawks will beat them on Feb 4

returnof4eva

January 20th, 2012
11:33 pm

Let’s gon head and get this Marvin Williams for Hasheem Thabeet and Jonny Flynn trade out there. We would be better without Marvin and they get themselves a SF. It also gets you more mins for T-Mac, Vlad, and Ivan, and less for Collins and Pargo. Plus with Flynn and Thabeet, you get two guys who are young, ones really tall, and (personal opinion) they will turn there careers around here. Let’s hurry up before it’s too late.

Hmmmm

January 20th, 2012
11:36 pm

LET’S KEEP IT REAL, THE TWO BEST TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE ARE CHICAO AND MIAMI AND IN MY OPINION THE FULLY-HEALTHY HAWKS MIGHT BE THE ONLY TEAMS THAT CAN MATCHUP WITH THEM ATHLETICALLY ON THE PERIMETER. NOT SAYING THAT AS A HOMER OR ANYTHING I JUST CALL IT LIKE I SEE IT. OKC HAS NOTHING IN THE PAINT AND THE LAKERS NEED TO MAKE A MOVE IF THEY WANT TO BE A FACTOR, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NO ONE ELSE HAS THE HORSES TO DO IT.

Slimjr

January 20th, 2012
11:36 pm

The refs called the game to tight! Let em play Stern the godfather…..

kwooden1

January 20th, 2012
11:38 pm

I don’t think they quit, I think they got beat and probably out coached. Doug Collins gets a lot out of his guys and Holiday is playing great. We definitely need to get a lot better at running our offensive under pressure, but we’re still a perimeter team, which makes getting an easy basket very hard. LD looked really fustrated and that was pretty obvious when he benched the starters with about 3 minutes left. Personnally I’m fustrated with LD for not making the obvious substitutions during Philly’s run. (Ivan for Zaza and Green for Marvin) I’m not saying it would have won the game, but at least it would have helped the match up problems. Also he’s got to work with Jeff to have a better idea of when to go over screens and when to go under. Clearly their defense calls to go over all screens but the choice should depend on the situation. Philly played great and exposed our weakeness and lack of execution under pressure.

Hmmmm

January 20th, 2012
11:38 pm

PHILLY’S PROBLEM IS THEY DON’T HAVE ONE GUY YOU TRUST TO CREATE HIS OWN SHOT COME PLAYOFF TIME. MIAMI EMBARRASSED THEM LAST SEASON AND I HAVEN’T SEEN ANYTHING TO MAKE ME BELIEVE THE SAME THING WON’T HAPPEN AGAIN. SIXERS HAVE A BUNCH OF 15 POINT SCORERS, BUT WHO WILL HIT A 18 FOOT JUMPER OVER LEBRON OR DENG WHEN THE TIME COMES?

Slimjr

January 20th, 2012
11:40 pm

6′10″ Marvin got his shot blocked by a midget again!

He is setting an NBA record for height differential on blocks.. New stat I just made up…hahaha

Hmmmm

January 20th, 2012
11:40 pm

NEED JERRY SLOAN OR LARRY BOWN COACHING THIS TEAM, REALLY. WOULDN’T ALLOW THEM TO “QUIT.”

Ra'mon

January 20th, 2012
11:40 pm

So did the Lakers ‘quit’ last night when Miami put them away? Or did Chicago quit the other week when the Hawks beat them badly? Teams go cold. And when the coach doesn’t make ADJUSTMENTS, teams rarely get back into the game. LD could’ve tried a lineup of Teague, Joe, TMac, Vlad, and Josh for stretches at a time, to open up things, but he didn’t.

Ra'mon

January 20th, 2012
11:41 pm

Hmmm, Larry Brown and Sloan are without jobs now, because their teams quit on them the last 2 seasons they coached, for a season, not just a game.

DoesItMatter

January 20th, 2012
11:41 pm

On a scale of 1 – 50, 50 being way too high, what is his IQ?

Teague said they were outplayed, but didn’t quit.

“I don’t think nobody out there is trying to quit,” Teague said. “They just made good plays. We don’t have no quitters on this team.”

Slimjr

January 20th, 2012
11:42 pm

out Coached..They got Doug Collins..we dont…..shoot…..

Hmmmm

January 20th, 2012
11:43 pm

THE BOTTOM LINE THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A CONDENSED SEASON LIKE THIS IS COACHING AND DEPTH. WELL, THE HAWKS GOT ONE RIGHT LOL.

Slimjr

January 20th, 2012
11:44 pm

““I don’t think nobody out there is trying to quit,” Teague said. “They just made good plays. We don’t have no quitters on this team.””

Teague out smarts his coach? UH OH…….Dog House?

Section 303

January 20th, 2012
11:46 pm

Oh, boy….someone just brought up getting Thabeet. Great idea! Let’s get someone who will be out of the league in a year. Thabeet is not good. I thought we ended the “We need Thabeet” nonsense last year? Did not need to have it brought back.

returnof4eva

January 20th, 2012
11:46 pm

I’m guessing somebody must trolled with this username recently cause that trade is money

Najeh Davenpoop

January 20th, 2012
11:49 pm

Thabeet might be the worst player in the NBA. Returnof4eva is a dope album though

Grandmaster JeJe

January 20th, 2012
11:49 pm

Marvin with 4 and 5 in 26 minutes.

GREAT GAME DUCK

returnof4eva

January 20th, 2012
11:51 pm

I know he isn’t good yet, but hey it’s size. Also, addition by subtraction.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 20th, 2012
11:53 pm

The Twin Effect!

“He did frustrate Dwight enough to enable our other 4 guys to stay on their shooters”
__________

Don’t forget also that Twin had Dwight mired in foul trouble, getting Teed up for arguing with refs and sitting on the bench. Stats in a vacuum don’t tell the whole story.
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Here I Go!

To the other blogger … Hella YEAH we WHINE! 46 years and NEVER an ECF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We got a hella LOT to FKG WHINE about! Man we here on this blog “Doin’ Werk” 24/7 ……. We get thumb cramps from typing and burning up cellie lithium batteries, these $40 batteries ain’t cheap. Do we get tired of posting and whining? Hella To the MFng Naw … We don’t QUIT our whining … So, don’t tell us about the Hawks are tired of playing DEFENSE for 48 MINUTES while we blogging for 48 HOURS!

Us fans on this blog got more HEART and FIGHT in us! We deserve a WINNER man … We don’t deserve no QUITTERS!

Hell! Even the scoreboards QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Listen Up here FAN BASHERS: WE QUIT! We don’t give a damn about these regular season losses … We still smarting ’bout these play offs MAANNE! The same ole … Same ole SH!T year in and year out IS the reason we stay home. I would rather stick my hands up my dress and play with MYSELF than to go down there and be embarrassed in a blacked out arena with local fans rooting for Kobe and Bron Bron!

Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful, (Oh yeah … I Got Looks!). Build a damned winner and I will renew my season passes which I purchased for 15 years straight when Nique played Jordan. These prima donnas just want my money, but they can’t dribble, pass, defend, rebound, shoot or CARE?

Child Please!

Slimjr

January 20th, 2012
11:53 pm

David Banner is a beast!

Grandmaster JeJe

January 20th, 2012
11:54 pm

Ivan 2 pts in 4 min. So he would have had 19 in 38. Take that, Northcyde

Nilo

January 20th, 2012
11:54 pm

From now on, Jeff Teague will be known as Double Negative to me. Guess he missed all those communication classes at Wake.

Slimjr

January 20th, 2012
11:57 pm

drmayb! DAYUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

bhawk

January 20th, 2012
11:58 pm

wow, this hmmmm guy is an idiot.

Slimjr

January 20th, 2012
11:59 pm

Lesson learned

never drive 300 miles with the windows rolled up or your suck in those automotive fumes and it will f__k with you mind…….

DoesItMatter

January 20th, 2012
11:59 pm

Ah, I see he wasn’t a communication major, good thing:

Personal
Given name is Jeffrey Demarco Teague … Son of Shawn and Carol Teague … Father played college basketball at Missouri and Boston University … Father played under Rick Pitino at Boston University … Has four siblings – two brothers and two sisters … Born June 10, 1988 in Indianapolis … Chose Wake Forest over Indiana, Boston College, Southern Illinois and Xavier … Committed verbally to the Deacons in September 2006, the same week as James Johnson … Majoring in religion.

Teague said they were outplayed, but didn’t quit.

“I don’t think nobody out there is trying to quit,” Teague said. “They just made good plays. We don’t have no quitters on this team.”

Slimjr

January 21st, 2012
12:03 am

” I would rather stick my hands up my dress and play with MYSELF than to go down there and be embarrassed in a blacked out arena with local fans rooting for Kobe and Bron Bron! ”

That is some classic Chit right there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HeHeHe

Bigman needed

January 21st, 2012
12:04 am

returnof4eva

Let’s gon head and get this Marvin Williams for Hasheem Thabeet and Jonny Flynn trade out there. We would be better without Marvin and they get themselves a SF. It also gets you more mins for T-Mac, Vlad, and Ivan, and less for Collins and Pargo. Plus with Flynn and Thabeet, you get two guys who are young, ones really tall, and (personal opinion) they will turn there careers around here. Let’s hurry up before it’s too late.

Thabeet is by far the biggest draft bust in history. He has done nothing in this league. I think the Rockets are looking to upgrade and would offload thabeet, but I dont think they will want take on Marvin’s 3 years for Thabeet’s 2 years. There’s still a chance Thabeet may develop into a Jason Collins lane clogger stiff type or Shawn Bradley, but nobody is saying he’s the next mount mutombo anymore. But after a loss like this one, Im almost willing to take the gamble because we need a 7 footer about as bad as a team could ever use a 7 footer.