Atlanta Hawks: Sixers 90, Hawks 76
Philadelphia–Maybe after he watches the video and sleeps on it, Larry Drew will regret the choice of words. But he was unambiguous about his feelings in the immediate aftermath of his team’s second-half collapse.
- Asked what happened in the third quarter, Drew said: “It got tough for us in the third quarter and we quit. That’s what happened.”
- Harsh words coming for any NBA coach, especially one with a veteran team. There were more.
- “I am hoping it’s out of character,” Drew said. “I saw a pattern with it last year and I thought we had turned the corner with it this year. Not the fact that we lost the game, but the fact that it got tough for us and we did not respond. You could see it in our faces and see it in our body language.”
- “Teams are going to make runs,” Drew said. “It’s how you respond to runs. You either man up or you fold the tent. Tonight we certainly folded the tent in that third quarter. What’s disappointing is we talked about when a team makes a run, you play through it. You don’t hang your heads and feel sorry for yourself, you don’t start crying to officials. You have to respond by toughening up defensively, executing your stuff even harder. I’ve seen us do it before. Tonight we didn’t do it.”
- “There are going to be more situations like this,” Drew said. “We have got to learn how to respond. More importantly, when it gets tough for us, we can’t hang our heads. I told the guys we had won four in a row and five of our last six. There was no reason to come out and put our heads down when things get tough.”
- I don’t know if I would go so far as to say the Hawks quit. To me, things came apart for some familiar reasons: stagnating offense, poor shot selection, carelessness with the ball and their struggles to score affecting their defensive sharpness.
- We’ve seen all of that lately from the Hawks; it’s just that the Sixers are good enough to seize on all those lapses and turn them into a running, dunking, ball-hawking, shot-making extravaganza.
- The Hawks were stagnant on offense and sleepy on defense. They stood around at both ends, watching Philadelphia take open jump shots and taking turns launching rushed jump shots of their own. The Sixers were off and running.
- “They picked up the intensity and we couldn’t make a shot,” Jeff Teague said. “That combination is always going to be bad. They got some easy transition baskets.”
- Josh Smith was chapped by Drew invoking the “q” word: “Everybody is entitled to their opinion. If he felt that way, that’s his opinion. I just felt we got a little careless with the basketball. In times of adversity, everybody has to stick together. Everybody. Players and everybody, and keep everything positive. The slightest thing can deter a situation or an individual.”
- Teague also rejected the characterization: “I don’t think nobody out there is trying to quit. They just made good plays. We don’t have no quitters on this team.”
- Joe Johnson looked lethargic for most of the night (though surely long-limb menace Andre Iguodala had something to do with that). Deadlines prevented me from sticking around to get Joe’s perspective.
- He tried to go Iso-Joe a few times with poor results. Then again, it was Iso-Everybody in the second half. Josh, Teague, Jannero Pargo, and Tracy McGrady also took turns trying to get it rolling on their own instead of sharing the ball like they did in the first half.
- This was Josh’s worst game in a while. He was missing jumpers and had just six rebounds on a night the Hawks got pounded 51-32 on the boards. Josh did have a good game passing the ball. All four of his assists led to layups.
- Teague was very good in the first half (five steals, nine points on six shots, four assists), not so good in the second. He could have been more aggressive when things came unraveled in the third quarter. Only once in the second half did he get into the lane to draw a foul.
- It was the same pattern for T-Mac, who just didn’t have the same spark in the second half after he abused Evan Turner in the first half. The Hawks should run that pick-and-roll with him and Zaza Pachulia all the time. It almost always results in a score or free throws for Zaza or a short shot attempt by T-Mac.
- Zaza was around the ball often when it came off the glass but frequently was beat to the spot.
- Marvin Williams missed open Js and never stopped settling for them. He’s usually reliable with getting to the line when the offense stagnates but not tonight.
- For long stretches Willie Green was the only thing working the Hawks on offense. Most nights the Hawks sort of figure out a way to get something out of the Green/Pargo combination.
- I suppose Drew has to play Jason Collins on a semi-regular basis as long as there are only two centers on the roster but 19 minutes is beyond pushing it. During that time, Collins had two rebounds, ended up in a few bad switches and was painfully ineffective on close-outs.
- Thaddeus Young ended up with 20 points and I don’t even really remember him doing anything special.
- The Sixers are good, especially when they can get the tempo to their liking. They missed a lot of open 3s in the third quarter or things could have been even uglier for the Hawks.
- “That was an incredible second half for our guys,” Doug Collins said. “The activity level defensively was off the charts. Everything we did tonight was triggered off our defense.”
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
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Grandmaster JeJe
January 20th, 2012
11:07 pm
FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD FIRE LD
FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG FIRE ASG
CONservative Johnson
January 20th, 2012
11:10 pm
Poor response by Coach Drew. Panicking after a single bad game that followed a good stretch of good ones is just dumb . . .
Grandmaster JeJe
January 20th, 2012
11:12 pm
SIGN A CENTER ASG
WTF
CONservative Johnson
January 20th, 2012
11:12 pm
I also think Coach Drew’s rotation on a game to game basis has no rhyme or reason. There is no reason that Vlad shouldn’t get in the game at all (previous game) or that Ivan Johnson shouldn’t play until the game is a blowout (like tonight) . . .
MattP
January 20th, 2012
11:13 pm
LMAO @ LD “but the fact that it got tough for us and we did not respond.”
The coach is suppose to respond and tell the players what to do in that situation.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 20th, 2012
11:14 pm
Collins + Zaza: 39 minutes, 4/5, 1/1 FTs, 9 pts, 5 reb, 2 ast, 3 turnovers, 0 blk. That is the center position for the Hawks right now.
Kirk to the Lakers into their trade exception. Pick from the Lakers to a 3rd team. Big man from a 3rd team to the Hawks. It works in the trade machine for pretty much every big man I tried.
Kirk + Zaza for Kaman
Kirk for Jason Thompson
Kirk for Ronny Turiaf + Jordan Crawford
Hmmmm
January 20th, 2012
11:15 pm
DREW SHOULD CHECK OUT THE MAN IN THE MIRROR. AND I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT A MICHAEL JACKSON SINGLE.
Astro Joe
January 20th, 2012
11:15 pm
Elton Brand went old school (at least on the boards). Oh well, there is another game soon enough.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 20th, 2012
11:15 pm
And for the “Zaza should play more minutes” crowd, Collins and Zaza split those 39 minutes pretty much evenly, and Collins accounted for about half those stats. So it’s not like Zaza did sh-t either. Oh yeah, and Collins was only -3 while Zaza was -11 and letting the Sixers get offensive rebounds on pretty much every possession in the second half of the 3rd quarter.
Grandmaster JeJe
January 20th, 2012
11:15 pm
“Blog: Drew wants better start to second half of games ”
LOL!!!!!!!!!
Grandmaster JeJe
January 20th, 2012
11:16 pm
Teague said we don’t have quitters on this team.
He must have forgotten when the whole team quit vs Orlando in the 2010 playoffs
Najeh Davenpoop
January 20th, 2012
11:18 pm
“He must have forgotten when the whole team quit vs Orlando in the 2010 playoffs”
Woody buried him so far down the bench in that series that he probably didn’t even see what happened.
Ra'mon
January 20th, 2012
11:18 pm
Wow, Drew surprised me with those comments. Did Drew quit? Why didn’t Drew go with a zone defense in the 3rd to deter the Sixers from pulling away? Or why didn’t he play Ivan Johnson more if he saw energy was a problem? I didn’t see LD, make any adjustments.
Hmmmm
January 20th, 2012
11:19 pm
“…RT @FISOLANYDN: Carmelo says you can’t compare the Knicks and Nuggets post trade because Denver “got five starters” Exactly. …”
QUOTE OF THE CENTURY RIGHT THERE FROM MELO LMAO
Micheal C.
January 20th, 2012
11:21 pm
Even know that Drew might regret what he said tomorrow but he is right, they just stop and quit tonight, besides you had them at under 40 points with 38% from the field and then let them destroy them in the second half. But in reality, they did quit, no matter what they say. They quit.
Will
January 20th, 2012
11:22 pm
hawks quit, again, once things got a little tough. The players can say whatever they want to say, they quit tonight against philly, and this is not the first time, they simple gave up.
No leadership, no heart, no guts, no fight. I would not want to go to battle with not one of these hawks
players. Barkley and the crew at tnt, nba tv, espn, they are exactly right when they bash the hawks, they are a very soft team.
Reality Check
January 20th, 2012
11:25 pm
Hawks’ hardest worker is done for the season. What do you expect? lol
Will
January 20th, 2012
11:29 pm
fans know, you are not going to win every gm, but when you simply quit, only thing worse than a quiter is a coward!!!!!
Adam
January 20th, 2012
11:29 pm
Joe Johnson’s MVP run continued tonight, despite what anybody else says.
He continues to own each and every one of you.
Slimjr
January 20th, 2012
11:30 pm
Hey DREW YOU QUIT BUBBA!!!!!!
Slimjr
January 20th, 2012
11:32 pm
Hmmmm
January 20th, 2012
11:15 pm
“DREW SHOULD CHECK OUT THE MAN IN THE MIRROR. AND I’M NOT TALKING ABOUT A MICHAEL JACKSON SINGLE.”
I co-sign… Larry took a step backward as a coach..Terrible job tonight….
Section 303
January 20th, 2012
11:33 pm
Will, give me a break with the Barkley bullsh#t.
I did not think the Hawks quit (not that they never have). I thought they went ice cold and started getting extremely careless with the ball. It was a crap outing for everyone not named Willie Green.
I was not that impressed with the Sixers. They won, but the Hawks helped them out a ton. Sixers will be in the postseason, probably. No chance at winning a series. And, Hawks will beat them on Feb 4
returnof4eva
January 20th, 2012
11:33 pm
Let’s gon head and get this Marvin Williams for Hasheem Thabeet and Jonny Flynn trade out there. We would be better without Marvin and they get themselves a SF. It also gets you more mins for T-Mac, Vlad, and Ivan, and less for Collins and Pargo. Plus with Flynn and Thabeet, you get two guys who are young, ones really tall, and (personal opinion) they will turn there careers around here. Let’s hurry up before it’s too late.
Hmmmm
January 20th, 2012
11:36 pm
LET’S KEEP IT REAL, THE TWO BEST TEAMS IN THE LEAGUE ARE CHICAO AND MIAMI AND IN MY OPINION THE FULLY-HEALTHY HAWKS MIGHT BE THE ONLY TEAMS THAT CAN MATCHUP WITH THEM ATHLETICALLY ON THE PERIMETER. NOT SAYING THAT AS A HOMER OR ANYTHING I JUST CALL IT LIKE I SEE IT. OKC HAS NOTHING IN THE PAINT AND THE LAKERS NEED TO MAKE A MOVE IF THEY WANT TO BE A FACTOR, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, NO ONE ELSE HAS THE HORSES TO DO IT.
Slimjr
January 20th, 2012
11:36 pm
The refs called the game to tight! Let em play Stern the godfather…..
kwooden1
January 20th, 2012
11:38 pm
I don’t think they quit, I think they got beat and probably out coached. Doug Collins gets a lot out of his guys and Holiday is playing great. We definitely need to get a lot better at running our offensive under pressure, but we’re still a perimeter team, which makes getting an easy basket very hard. LD looked really fustrated and that was pretty obvious when he benched the starters with about 3 minutes left. Personnally I’m fustrated with LD for not making the obvious substitutions during Philly’s run. (Ivan for Zaza and Green for Marvin) I’m not saying it would have won the game, but at least it would have helped the match up problems. Also he’s got to work with Jeff to have a better idea of when to go over screens and when to go under. Clearly their defense calls to go over all screens but the choice should depend on the situation. Philly played great and exposed our weakeness and lack of execution under pressure.
Hmmmm
January 20th, 2012
11:38 pm
PHILLY’S PROBLEM IS THEY DON’T HAVE ONE GUY YOU TRUST TO CREATE HIS OWN SHOT COME PLAYOFF TIME. MIAMI EMBARRASSED THEM LAST SEASON AND I HAVEN’T SEEN ANYTHING TO MAKE ME BELIEVE THE SAME THING WON’T HAPPEN AGAIN. SIXERS HAVE A BUNCH OF 15 POINT SCORERS, BUT WHO WILL HIT A 18 FOOT JUMPER OVER LEBRON OR DENG WHEN THE TIME COMES?
Slimjr
January 20th, 2012
11:40 pm
6′10″ Marvin got his shot blocked by a midget again!
He is setting an NBA record for height differential on blocks.. New stat I just made up…hahaha
Hmmmm
January 20th, 2012
11:40 pm
NEED JERRY SLOAN OR LARRY BOWN COACHING THIS TEAM, REALLY. WOULDN’T ALLOW THEM TO “QUIT.”
Ra'mon
January 20th, 2012
11:40 pm
So did the Lakers ‘quit’ last night when Miami put them away? Or did Chicago quit the other week when the Hawks beat them badly? Teams go cold. And when the coach doesn’t make ADJUSTMENTS, teams rarely get back into the game. LD could’ve tried a lineup of Teague, Joe, TMac, Vlad, and Josh for stretches at a time, to open up things, but he didn’t.
Ra'mon
January 20th, 2012
11:41 pm
Hmmm, Larry Brown and Sloan are without jobs now, because their teams quit on them the last 2 seasons they coached, for a season, not just a game.
DoesItMatter
January 20th, 2012
11:41 pm
On a scale of 1 – 50, 50 being way too high, what is his IQ?
Teague said they were outplayed, but didn’t quit.
“I don’t think nobody out there is trying to quit,” Teague said. “They just made good plays. We don’t have no quitters on this team.”
Slimjr
January 20th, 2012
11:42 pm
out Coached..They got Doug Collins..we dont…..shoot…..
Hmmmm
January 20th, 2012
11:43 pm
THE BOTTOM LINE THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN A CONDENSED SEASON LIKE THIS IS COACHING AND DEPTH. WELL, THE HAWKS GOT ONE RIGHT LOL.
Slimjr
January 20th, 2012
11:44 pm
““I don’t think nobody out there is trying to quit,” Teague said. “They just made good plays. We don’t have no quitters on this team.””
Teague out smarts his coach? UH OH…….Dog House?
Section 303
January 20th, 2012
11:46 pm
Oh, boy….someone just brought up getting Thabeet. Great idea! Let’s get someone who will be out of the league in a year. Thabeet is not good. I thought we ended the “We need Thabeet” nonsense last year? Did not need to have it brought back.
returnof4eva
January 20th, 2012
11:46 pm
I’m guessing somebody must trolled with this username recently cause that trade is money
Najeh Davenpoop
January 20th, 2012
11:49 pm
Thabeet might be the worst player in the NBA. Returnof4eva is a dope album though
Grandmaster JeJe
January 20th, 2012
11:49 pm
Marvin with 4 and 5 in 26 minutes.
GREAT GAME DUCK
returnof4eva
January 20th, 2012
11:51 pm
I know he isn’t good yet, but hey it’s size. Also, addition by subtraction.
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 20th, 2012
11:53 pm
The Twin Effect!
“He did frustrate Dwight enough to enable our other 4 guys to stay on their shooters”
__________
Don’t forget also that Twin had Dwight mired in foul trouble, getting Teed up for arguing with refs and sitting on the bench. Stats in a vacuum don’t tell the whole story.
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Here I Go!
To the other blogger … Hella YEAH we WHINE! 46 years and NEVER an ECF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We got a hella LOT to FKG WHINE about! Man we here on this blog “Doin’ Werk” 24/7 ……. We get thumb cramps from typing and burning up cellie lithium batteries, these $40 batteries ain’t cheap. Do we get tired of posting and whining? Hella To the MFng Naw … We don’t QUIT our whining … So, don’t tell us about the Hawks are tired of playing DEFENSE for 48 MINUTES while we blogging for 48 HOURS!
Us fans on this blog got more HEART and FIGHT in us! We deserve a WINNER man … We don’t deserve no QUITTERS!
Hell! Even the scoreboards QUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!
____________
Listen Up here FAN BASHERS: WE QUIT! We don’t give a damn about these regular season losses … We still smarting ’bout these play offs MAANNE! The same ole … Same ole SH!T year in and year out IS the reason we stay home. I would rather stick my hands up my dress and play with MYSELF than to go down there and be embarrassed in a blacked out arena with local fans rooting for Kobe and Bron Bron!
Don’t hate me because I’m beautiful, (Oh yeah … I Got Looks!). Build a damned winner and I will renew my season passes which I purchased for 15 years straight when Nique played Jordan. These prima donnas just want my money, but they can’t dribble, pass, defend, rebound, shoot or CARE?
Child Please!
Slimjr
January 20th, 2012
11:53 pm
David Banner is a beast!
Grandmaster JeJe
January 20th, 2012
11:54 pm
Ivan 2 pts in 4 min. So he would have had 19 in 38. Take that, Northcyde
Nilo
January 20th, 2012
11:54 pm
From now on, Jeff Teague will be known as Double Negative to me. Guess he missed all those communication classes at Wake.
Slimjr
January 20th, 2012
11:57 pm
drmayb! DAYUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bhawk
January 20th, 2012
11:58 pm
wow, this hmmmm guy is an idiot.
Slimjr
January 20th, 2012
11:59 pm
Lesson learned
never drive 300 miles with the windows rolled up or your suck in those automotive fumes and it will f__k with you mind…….
DoesItMatter
January 20th, 2012
11:59 pm
Ah, I see he wasn’t a communication major, good thing:
Personal
Given name is Jeffrey Demarco Teague … Son of Shawn and Carol Teague … Father played college basketball at Missouri and Boston University … Father played under Rick Pitino at Boston University … Has four siblings – two brothers and two sisters … Born June 10, 1988 in Indianapolis … Chose Wake Forest over Indiana, Boston College, Southern Illinois and Xavier … Committed verbally to the Deacons in September 2006, the same week as James Johnson … Majoring in religion.
Teague said they were outplayed, but didn’t quit.
“I don’t think nobody out there is trying to quit,” Teague said. “They just made good plays. We don’t have no quitters on this team.”
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
12:03 am
” I would rather stick my hands up my dress and play with MYSELF than to go down there and be embarrassed in a blacked out arena with local fans rooting for Kobe and Bron Bron! ”
That is some classic Chit right there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HeHeHe
Bigman needed
January 21st, 2012
12:04 am
returnof4eva
Let’s gon head and get this Marvin Williams for Hasheem Thabeet and Jonny Flynn trade out there. We would be better without Marvin and they get themselves a SF. It also gets you more mins for T-Mac, Vlad, and Ivan, and less for Collins and Pargo. Plus with Flynn and Thabeet, you get two guys who are young, ones really tall, and (personal opinion) they will turn there careers around here. Let’s hurry up before it’s too late.
Thabeet is by far the biggest draft bust in history. He has done nothing in this league. I think the Rockets are looking to upgrade and would offload thabeet, but I dont think they will want take on Marvin’s 3 years for Thabeet’s 2 years. There’s still a chance Thabeet may develop into a Jason Collins lane clogger stiff type or Shawn Bradley, but nobody is saying he’s the next mount mutombo anymore. But after a loss like this one, Im almost willing to take the gamble because we need a 7 footer about as bad as a team could ever use a 7 footer.
returnof4eva
January 21st, 2012
12:05 am
Side note, Zaza is one of the best back-up centers in the league.
Bigman needed
January 21st, 2012
12:09 am
Grandmaster JeJe:
Ivan 2 pts in 4 min. So he would have had 19 in 38. Take that, Northcyde
No excuse for Ivan not playing more minutes. None! Collins was so winded he wasnt even trying to rebound. Total lapse in coaching!
returnof4eva
January 21st, 2012
12:10 am
Jason Collins worse starting center in the league
Buddy Grizzard
January 21st, 2012
12:12 am
LOL Drew mad about getting out-coached by Collins.
returnof4eva
January 21st, 2012
12:12 am
Our center position is trapped in an infinite paradox.
Buddy Grizzard
January 21st, 2012
12:14 am
“Side note, Zaza is one of the best back-up centers in the league.” – returnof4eva
There are only 5 players in the NBA who have ranked in the top 10 in post-season rebounding rate in 2 of the last three years. They are:
Marcus Camby
Dwight Howard
Joakim Noah
Carlos Boozer
Zaza Pachulia
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2012/01/bad-wheel-on-bandwagon-look-at-larry.html
HawkEye
January 21st, 2012
12:24 am
LOL @ the NBA comercials emphasizing a “BIG” season.
Wonder if the Hawk’s management should consider this a subliminal message of what we need now.
BIG (echoes).
returnof4eva
January 21st, 2012
12:26 am
If you are trying to say Zaza is clutch, i honestly don’t know whether to agree or not. I just have don’t know.
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 21st, 2012
12:27 am
Pretty Ricky!
These Hawks remind me of an old boyfriend from college:
He pretty … He long … He got his … But, I’m still waiting to get mine … But, he fkd me like a girl … And, now he snoring? He QUIT!!!!!!!!
I called 911 and said,
” I just shot my boyfriend execution style. I need a body bag, a large pepperoni pizza, a flight plan to Mexico, a pilot and Air Force One – I’m not fittna’ go to jail for nobody!”
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 21st, 2012
12:40 am
R Kelly!
“Ain’t nuttin’ wrong wit a lil’ bump and grind – baby” but, sometimes a girl want a lil’ penetration!
___________
Here’s my point: FTPB I posted @ the 7 minute mark that, we were down by 9/10 points. I opined every shot attempt should be a drive to the basket, make it or get to the line, stop the clock and go to the 30 second offense.
Time was of the essence and we just slow walked it up and rained brick after brick – ISO mode. What happened to ball sharing and NBA caring?
Man! I personally HATE losing – bad.
Big Daddy
January 21st, 2012
12:52 am
What happened to Joe. He has been tearing it up the last couple of games and Jeff did more than he did tonight. Josh just kept jacking up those jump shots and Marvin never attacked the basket. This is a recipe for disaster and that is what we got tonight. We looked flat and unprepared in the second half. Got to play for the full 48!
ClassicHawks
January 21st, 2012
1:01 am
The 76ers plan was to double Joe and get the ball out his hands. Mission Accomplished. I agree with LD, we quit, or stopped from executing our game plan. We scored 10 points in the third and really 7 Points if it wasn’t for W. Green Shot. C’mon yall, LD knows how pu$$y this team is. We will be okay if they respond to what he is saying. He is the leader and need to call that 2nd half performance out. Its unacceptable, if your trying to compete deep in the playoffs. Habits are made in the regular season. They stopped moving the ball, settled for the jump shot. The first half we were moving the ball and shooting the open shot. BIG DIFFERENCE. LD is a hell of a coach, he did make a mistake tonight not putting in IVAN but hey, we had already given up in that third quarter and the man Just put in the media that they had to play better in the third. CMON ya’ll, LD is a hell of a coach.
ClassicHawks
January 21st, 2012
1:04 am
Joe is not Kobe or DWade, Or Lebron for that matter. When the double team comes, and they focus on him, he cant still get buckets. Thats why he is a number two and not a number one. With that being said, we have Josh, Teague, McGrady to help out with that. Al Horford being out will keep us from getting to the finals. But if we can get C. Kaman, all bets are back on!
ClassicHawks
January 21st, 2012
1:05 am
Our Roster is fine. LD is right. We got to stop being Pu$$y’s. BOTTOMLINE>
MattP
January 21st, 2012
1:21 am
ClassicHawks,
Yes they do have to stop being pu$$ys and LD should be the first one to stop. LD is too scared to play people like Ivan that brings alot of energy because he thinks he knows how to match up.
Also, we would not have made it to the finals with Horford because LD will get out coached. 7 game series is alot harder to win then one game. Smart coaches adapt to the other teams.
Hmmmm
January 21st, 2012
1:25 am
AHEM….. LIKE I SAID: KEVIN LOVE > BLAKE GRIFFIN.
CAN’T WAIT FOR BARKLEY AND SHAQ ON TNT NEXT WEEK LOL
U got to chill
January 21st, 2012
1:27 am
Twolves stun lob city!
ClassicHawks
January 21st, 2012
1:30 am
Disagree MattP. LD is a hell of a coach. He made a bad decision not playing Ivan tonight, but like I said the starters quit in the third, game was all but over for these pu$$y’s.
ClassicHawks
January 21st, 2012
1:31 am
For the record, I still think we have a special ball club, but they have to learn to respond when they get hit in the mouth, BOTTOMLINE.
prison mike
January 21st, 2012
1:34 am
It’s time to cut ties with Duck. Minny could use him while he would be their 3rd option immediately. Ducks 10 and 6 looks great at 23 minutes and his per 36 will have some GMs curious.
I’ll take Nikola Pekovic and Wes Johnson. It works fabulously on all trade checkers.
Rusty
January 21st, 2012
1:37 am
LD this team would be a hell of a lot better if you weren’t the coach.
Hmmmm
January 21st, 2012
1:40 am
IMAGINE WHAT ADELMAN COULD DO FOR THIS TEAM. ALL THE TIMES WE SEE THEM LOOKING STAGNANT ON OFFENSE AND JUST STANDING AROUND. RICK WOULD HAVE THEM PLAYING BEAUTIFUL BBALL LIKE MINNESOTA DOES. DREW IS TOO BUSY BLAMING EVERYONE BUT HIMSELF.
Rusty
January 21st, 2012
1:43 am
JT be careful what you say or you will surely be back in dumbos doghouse. Im not sure if you really ever left it as he always jerks you out of the lineup when you are doing great .he never let’s the offense to run through you,he rather see Joe take over with his iso ball or Josh to jack up his jumpsuits. He has no control over any thing other than horrible substitutions. This man doesn’t have a clue,we are winning games inspire of him.
Rusty
January 21st, 2012
1:49 am
A lot of people here think we can get a lot of value from KH. He is always hurt & is on the downside of his career.
Way over rated on this blog.
Rusty
January 21st, 2012
1:56 am
Any one in the basketball business would never start Marvin. Zazza is a clown,has no hands& is a nightmare always ready to happen,Collins should retire. I guess ld doesn’t like rookie Johnson even if he is the man on the team & he also has skills, welcome to the doghouse.
hawkfan
January 21st, 2012
1:57 am
i just love how when we lose a game espn is so ready to jump on our game and show highlights of it, smh we lose and the third leading story on sportscenter, win and we are in the middle of the program
Buddy Grizzard
January 21st, 2012
2:18 am
hawkfan it was a battle of division leaders… the Hawks only got themselves in that position with a 4-game win streak so this was news. These Hawks are still exceeding expectations and have no reason to hang their heads after one bad game against, statistically, the best team in the NBA, ON THE ROAD, against a bunch of players with ATL connections who will ALWAYS get up to play the Hawks. No reason to throw your whole squad under the bus for one loss against a good team.
SteveW
January 21st, 2012
2:32 am
7-0 265 (listed, but not that tall) Chris Daniels gets voted one of the 10 best NBA prospects in D League by scouts, and then heads to S Korea – Bye – Could have been good for the Hawks, I don’t know.
Jeff Teague may be the new Jannero Pargo when Kirk comes back, you never know with Coach LD.
Bottom line tonite – When your two Captains, your two best players, shoot 8-23, with 1 foul shot between them, and combine for 18 pts and 10 rebounds – your usually not going to beat the team that is ranked 1st in the NBA on the ESPN Rankings, especially when your playing them on the road.
Lot’s of subplots from tonite, but that’s the bottomline.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
January 21st, 2012
2:37 am
Big Ivan will never quit. He should have been in the game in the third.
tyger
January 21st, 2012
2:41 am
I like LD honesty…
- Wish the Falcoons would be as honest….
- Hawks have to grow up, LD is right…
- The Pacers/Sixers are the true test of the Hawks…
- They failed miserably both times…
- This is the same sorry play they’ve exhibited in the past…
- Instead of win one, lost two, they won two lost one…
- 4 home wins against weak teams was a placebo…
- The real medicine came tonight…
tyger
January 21st, 2012
2:53 am
Hawks hit wall…
-Remember the date, 1/20/12 ….
-The Hawks hit the proverbial wall tonight…
-They played with legs of stone…
- Second half they couldnt keep up…
- Dead legs led to short shots…
- Dead legs led to low energy…
- No home crowd tonight…
-They’ve accumulated alot of mileage in 3 wks…
-Younger teams much more dangerous now…
-Young good PGs can beat us, Rubio, Collison, Holliday…
- More complete players, that see the court, run their teams…
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
January 21st, 2012
2:58 am
FIRE LD
Micheal C.
January 21st, 2012
2:59 am
To continue,
I really don’t want Drew to take back those words at all but he need also know that he could did a lot better with rotations and TO but I think that this team needs to understand that this team window is almost up and ECF is the goal but you do not give up like this if you want to continue this march and if they don’t like it then they can ask for a trade and move on with their lives. Hawks needs to grow up and play like they can complete for a NBA title.
Najeh Davenpoop
January 21st, 2012
2:59 am
Always find a way to work a Teague diss into every post, don’t you? What did he do, steal your girlfriend?
Collison and Holliday don’t run their teams any better than Teague does. Helps to have teammates who are always in attack mode. Rubio, I’ll concede, has much better court vision than most point guards in the league regardless of age.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
January 21st, 2012
2:59 am
Hawks were fine without Marvin
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
January 21st, 2012
3:03 am
FIRE SUND
Reality Check
January 21st, 2012
3:10 am
Out-rebounded by damn near 20 tonight. But the idiots on here would never admit they could have used Horford, a guy who can get you 10 boards and put a body on Brand. LOL
tyger
January 21st, 2012
3:11 am
Men in the Mirror….
LD – how many winnable games have u lost?
Smoove – after avg. 25ppg for week, 10pts?…really?
JJ – how bout some leadership?
Marvin – sit or play, remember, Shelden, Acie, Salim, Solomon?
This team has about 10 days/5 games to figure itself out, Feb. is coming!
Micheal C.
January 21st, 2012
3:11 am
I think we all in a agreement that Marvin Williams, Collins, ZaZa (maybe) needs to be trade or released or anything. Marvin shouldn’t be punk’d by Jodie Meeks and missing shot/getting block. He needs to get trade or released and i got money he is in the starting lineup tomorrow. He is just stealing money from ASG and us.
Grandad
January 21st, 2012
3:37 am
Yeah they quit:
If Josh does not like it; please tade him for a Big.
Before I start with Josh; I must make a few points.
* LD should have been brutally honest with his team.
The days of “soft soaping” it with this core are over.
LD is correct; we have all seen it before;
and rest assured we will see it again.
My message to Josh:
“I’m tired of watching you play” … “go away”
*next – LD deserves some castigation as well:
Playing Jason Collins at all. Not playing Ivan but 4 min.
Keeping Josh in the game while he shot us out of the game.
Weird, unusual and inconsistent player rotations.
[why is Jason Collins on the team ?]
That’s enough for one night on LD / this one’s not on him.
*What in blue blazes does J.Pargo think his role is …
when he enters the game ?
When he comes in that is when the offense starts to unravel,
due to the fact – he’s gonna take 3 of the next 5 shots.
*[and miss 7 of 'em] I’ve told yawl before – I’m no good at arithmatic.
* Marvin – I’ve tried; I promise I’ve tried. Really, I have.
I have made every effort to give him as many chances
as humanly possible to redeem himself.
But time after time after time ……………………………..
the young man makes me want to cry.
Please for everything that is decent and honorable in this world;
trade this fellow and do not subject me to watching him embarrass
himself on a basketball court ever again.
* Now back to Josh. (I used to like Josh)
Not so much anymore.
Josh is a dumb basketball player….. Period !
Where does everyone get off saying he has this High B-ball IQ;
I do not know ? I vehemently disagree !
Josh is a nice enough man.
But I cannot stand to watch him play the game. I’m sorry.
He also quit and to dispute his coach showed an arrogance
that proved what alot of people have and had been saying.
A good player takes what Ld said and uses it for motivation.
To get better.
He reacted much like my children used to act when scolded.
This is the 1st time I can remember
that LD has shown some nuggets in regard to his team,
without worrying about whether or not what he said
would hurt their feelings.
Enough said / I’m done for the evening.
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notes:
3 players Josh, Joe, & Marv were 10 for 32 from the field
**[when that happens your defense must win the game for you]
outrebounded 51 to 32 on a night when their center did not play.
**[we must acquire a legit Big Man / Center / 7 ftr.]
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One additional note;
other than posting Joe’s bad shooting night;
I had nothing bad to say about Joe.
LD held Joe out too long in the 2nd Qtr
& Joe should have shot more in order to get untracked.
V-Rad should have played more also.
LT
January 21st, 2012
3:41 am
I agree with LD…. The team quit! Ive seen this pattern TOO many times. They had no energy. Plus coach messed up the rhythm when the reserves were doing well and he took them.lit!
Buddy Grizzard
January 21st, 2012
3:56 am
Yeah release Zaza… one of the best values in the NBA… guess you’re going for a lottery pick.
Buddy Grizzard
January 21st, 2012
3:58 am
“Thaddeus Young ended up with 20 points and I don’t even really remember him doing anything special.” – MC
LOL what game were you watching? Thad put on a clinic in the post… somebody should give that tape to Josh!
tyger
January 21st, 2012
4:16 am
No problem with Jason Collins…
LD has to get Jason ready, that means he has to play…
We can’t burn ZaZa up this early…
Collins brings intangibles that don’t show in the stat line…
To run, he has to play more and hasnt really played in 3 yrs…
But DHoward is coming and we’ve got to get hime ready…
Despite the cloud hanging over Orlando, they are playing well..
That’s a credit to the organzation, coaches, players…
They are mentally tough…Hawks are not…
How long b4 they realize they have to attack the rim to win???
Long missed jumpers are there downfall and persona…
Grandad
January 21st, 2012
4:16 am
*trade not *[ tade ]
As Josh might say:
“Grandad’s a dumb basketball blogger”
and Josh might very well be an astute explicator.
tyger
January 21st, 2012
4:30 am
Hawks missed Horford tonight…
Despite all the giddiness over win streak…
Hawks miss Horford…
Elden Brand looked like an All-star tonight…
JJ/Smoove drifting further, further out…
Always a bad sign of things to come…
Anybody seen Marvin, he’s M.I.A???
Explain Ivan/Vlad’s 3min. again?
Just Joe
January 21st, 2012
7:54 am
Marvin needs to play well tonight. Cleveland still needs a SF.
Hawks Fan Down Under
January 21st, 2012
7:54 am
Soft as butter tonight. LD is right this team gave up…gave up chasing, gave up fighting around picks, gave up running plays…everything! Just garbage.
But LD needs to make changes, he cant just sit there and make examples of players who don’t fight. He’s got to yank them and put in dudes who never quit like Ivan. So its on both players and coach. Why did Josh play so many minutes in the third? he was one of the main culprits.
And any sort of delusions that we could get to the end of the season with Collins and Zaza as our C is surely gone now. If they dont make a trade then this team will do nothing in the playoffs.
This was just like the Indy game. I cant see this team ever turning the corner…..
Trojan
January 21st, 2012
8:00 am
Collins may play a role but it should be more limited. We have 1 backup center in Zaza and no starting center.
What is happening to Joe? Wow, he is sluggish. He can take no one right now. The game was lost because we have no center and JJ is not being an adequate leader.
W.R. Terrell
January 21st, 2012
8:06 am
There’s a good possibility that we will see Cleveland imitate Philly on defense. A good plan because it is known over the league that Josh premodonna Smith will be a launching pad if they can hold down Joe. The HAWKS momentum went south in the 3rd quarter and Josh was the catalyst that soured the team, they all said wtf. He may continue. Common sense should say if you’re not hitting from the outside then go to your strength and that’s inside but that guy is all for himself and the highlight reel. I knew we would lose when he kept launching shot after bad shot. He will never be an allstar and the proof is how he plays. We may have still lost the game even if he had not be a launching pad but it would have been a better effort. How long can any team put up effort when they are being demoralized on the floor with craziness.
Trojan
January 21st, 2012
8:11 am
If they quit on LD, why did he not put Vlad and Alvin in? Especially Alvin, he had energy and fire. Ohhhhhh, he must have quit coaching and gave up on the game.
Jamal
January 21st, 2012
8:16 am
“Thaddeus Young ended up with 20 points and I don’t even really remember him doing anything special.”
I thought he looked pretty special out there. Everytime I watch Thad Young score in the post using his quickness, I’m amazed. As a hybrid 3/4, he doesn’t use his strength or really try to bang at all in the post, but I’m very impressed with the way he is able to score down low using quickness and skill. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone else in the league today who has a quicker first step in the post than Thad Young, and his array of moves are impressive. Maybe I’m blowing it out of proportion a little bit, but I just like to watch technicians in the post, and we really don’t have any of those in today’s game anymore, other than maybe Zach Randolph. It was very interesting to me to see a guy who seems to have mastered the art of using speed to score on the block, rather than relying moreso on positioning/strength or pure finesse.
Neek
January 21st, 2012
8:33 am
if the hawks had made there layups they would have won this game. never seen so many missed layups in a game. marvin needs to take ballet or something, he falls down too much for somebody that never dives for a ball.
Just Joe
January 21st, 2012
8:33 am
I will say this about Joe’s “legs”, he’s averaged 39 minutes a game this month (12 games over 20 days). First game back on the road after a long homestand.
It’s almost just as important for this team to find another scorer, as it is to find a rebounding big man.
Our points per game are slowly dropping. Haven’t broken 93 in the last 4 games.
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 21st, 2012
9:11 am
Weebles – Wobble!
“It’s time to cut ties with Duck. Minny could use him while he would be their 3rd option immediately. Ducks 10 and 6 looks great at 23 minutes and his per 36 will have some GMs curious.
I’ll take Nikola Pekovic and Wes Johnson. It works fabulously on all trade checkers.” -prison mike-
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Even Weebles – Wobble! But, they don’t fall down.
STRETCH
January 21st, 2012
9:34 am
“Common sense should say if you’re not hitting from the outside then go to your strength and that’s inside but that guy is all for himself and the highlight reel. I knew we would lose when he kept launching shot after bad shot. He will never be an allstar and the proof is how he plays.”
W. R. TERRELL, Thats the problem with Josh Smith, he does not have any common sense. His BB- IQ is off the charts(going the opposite direction) and Larry Drew cant control him.
Drew is similar to Woodson when it comes to yanking players, like Woody he lets Josh continue to be the brat of the team. Not that im putting it all on Josh, but he is one of the culprits.
Josh Smith fans may disagree but the All-Star votes dont lie. And Sund and company are fooling themselves if they think they can win without a big man. This team has too many guards, a slow center, a clumsy center, a useless small forward and a leader wanna be added to a team of guys that check out when the going gets tough. Cant win like that!
Just Joe
January 21st, 2012
9:35 am
The Hawks offense is slowing down as the season wears on.
In our past 4 games, we’ve seen our FGA’s drop to 78, 71, 71 & 74. Our season average is down to 80, which is 13th in the league. When you are already a very avg team in FG% (15th in the league at 44%), you can’t stand to lose shot attempts.
Our FTA’s have increased over the last 4 games (until last night) with 27, 31, 27 & then 8 last night (our season average is 24, for 13th in the league).
The good offensive teams are maintaining 80 FGA’s, while still going to the line 25-28 times per game.
I don’t think the Hawks’ pace has slowed, but rather we’ve seen a decrease in offensive rebounding (14, 6, 5 & 3 in the last 4 games) & an increase in turnovers (19, 10, 14 & 15 in the last 4 games). All 30 teams in the league fall between 8-15 offensive rebounds & 12-17 turnovers per game.
Hawks also becoming very average at the hustle plays on defense: blocks (17th in league), steals (14th in league), and forcing turnovers (12th in league).
Coach ‘em up LD.
Get us some help on the boards Rick Sund.
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 21st, 2012
9:43 am
ReHab is for Quitters!
I’m so dismayed, I got 13 people running around in my head. We took a unanimous vote this morning and:
WE QUIT!
I’ve had it! I’m gonna’ pull myself up by the boot straps, turn my life around … tomorrow morning – I’m going to Nail School! LOL
Ok, all jokes aside: how many times do we have to watch “Ground Hog Day”, before we know the outcome?
Let Teague play PG so he can est. a rhythm!
Let Teague run the offense through the post player, regardless of outcome. Play inside out, that’s fundamental coaching.
Make Josh run the wings like “Ooga-dollar” every single time.
Josh and Marvin come off curls and just shoot the damn ball, no dribbling please.
Gang rebound, that means 5 guys crashing the boards, up and over the back of each other, I don’t care if it’s your own guy, never assume a teammate will rebound.
Run like a pack of wolves and foam at the mouth on defense.
Define some damn roles on this team AND play Ivan! Who else you got?
Gearon, Jr! Hire an ELECTRICIAN and get yourself a CENTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandmaster JeJe
January 21st, 2012
9:52 am
Tim Duncan started the fourth quarter of Friday’s game against the Sacramento Kings at the AT&T Center on the bench, watching a Spurs’ lineup that included four reserves whittle away at the lead the Kings had held since the first minute of the game.
He stayed there until the final 5.5 seconds of what became an 88-86 loss, the Spurs’ first at home this season.
Coach Gregg Popovich said it had nothing to do with managing the minutes of his oldest player in a compressed schedule.
“No,” Popovich said, “the group that was out there was blitzing and doing a great job. They got us back in the game and got us a six-point lead at one point.”
Grandmaster JeJe
January 21st, 2012
9:55 am
Teague know about quitting. He quit on a few plays in that home triple overtime loss to Moami’s scrubs
Quote of the Day — January 21, 2012 | JockSpin.com
January 21st, 2012
9:56 am
[...] Larry Drew: “It got tough for us in the third quarter and we quit. That’s what happened.” [...]
Grandmaster JeJe
January 21st, 2012
10:02 am
We were up 8 at halftime.
We were down 7 after the 3rd quarter.
This is 1 or 2 days after LD said we need to start the 2nd half better.
These guys definitely quit + This core of players stinks.
Grandmaster JeJe
January 21st, 2012
10:03 am
Can someone please give me one reason why Marvin Williams is still a starter in this league?
I cannot think of one way he is close to starter quality.
STRETCH
January 21st, 2012
10:09 am
Grandmaster JeJe,
Ive been wondering the same thing! ZaZa and Marvin to anywhere for a BIG and im almost to the point to accept any BIG!
dale in newnan
January 21st, 2012
10:10 am
Its like Barkly said, the hawks are soft.
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 21st, 2012
10:20 am
Fine Coaching!
“He stayed there until the final 5.5 seconds of what became an 88-86 loss, the Spurs’ first at home this season.” – reposted by GrandMaster JeJe-
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Nice excerpt GM-JeJe! That’s called playing your best players no matter what – hugh? _
KevinM
January 21st, 2012
10:22 am
Well, no matter how much you talk about it, eventually the guys have to come out and take it to the other team. Did that 8 point lead feel easy to our guys? I think so.
But they were still in the game headed to the 4th, and should have shut down Philly’s momentum from there.
All you can say is there was not a game played this year, where 2 halves were so different.
cnnsi.com posting an article this am about the guys who have underachieved……http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2012/01/20/some-failing-to-live-up-to-expectations/?sct=hp_t11_a2&eref=sihp
Suprisingly, no Marvin, no Al(injury aside) and no mention of the Hawks on a list you don’t want to be part of…but a list that might have you thinking you can bring back their mojo with a move to our roster.
Buddy Grizzard
January 21st, 2012
10:28 am
“But DHoward is coming and we’ve got to get hime ready…” – Tyger
I have breaking news. Did anybody watch the Lakers-Orlando game? I just watched a replay on ESPN3. The whole idea of Jason Collins being able to guard Dwight Howard was predicated on Howard having no face-the-basket game. Guess what? He looked like The Dream out there. He’s right handed but I saw him make left handed running jump hooks, a left handed finger roll and a left handed layup off glass. He can face the basket and go either way, Jeff Van Gundy commented about how much more accurate his passing is and his free throw shooting looks better.
BREAKING NEWS. DWIGHT HOWARD CAN FACE THE BASKET.
Jason Collins, you may now retire.
Peter
January 21st, 2012
10:41 am
The Hawks are soft, Marvin is really looking like he is a disappearing act, and JJ couldn’t carry a lunch pail, never mind a team….
The record is a reflection of the terrible teams they have played against, minus a few decent wins.
Can anyone finish at the rim ? We a jump shooting team…….HA HA HA !
supamusic25
January 21st, 2012
10:42 am
fire larry drew…..i didn’t see joe or teague during that sixers comeback! the hawks were up by six…the sixers started their run and LD didn’t put joe or teague back in til it was 7min left on the clock AND THE HAWKS WERE DOWN 14,,,,,, LD U WERE THE ONE WHO QUIT…QUIT COACHING! HOW DARE U PUT ALL THE BLAME ON THE PLAYERS… WELL ATL FANS THIS IS WHAT WE GET…..NEEDED A NEW OWNER OWNER AND COACH AND GOT NEITHER TIME TO START BOYCOTTING…LET THE OPPOSING TEAMS FANS FILL ATLANTA’S SEATS, THEY’RE THE ONLY ONES HAVING FUN ANYWAY… EVERY ONE IS MVP PHILLIPS ARENA, IF U DONT PLAY FOR HAWKS THAT IS…..THANKS ASG AND NBA(COMMISH) FOR RUINING OUR NEW OWNERSHIP!!!!!!!!!!
Rod from College Park
January 21st, 2012
10:46 am
LD has done a great job coaching this year. He has made mistakes, but overall he has done a good job. There is no way he can call guys quitters, or single out Josh and Teague, while continuing to start Marvin Williams. That move alone takes all of his credibility.
hittman jamillion
January 21st, 2012
10:47 am
Grand dad & donte why all the hate for josh? The whole team sucked ass tonight,but yall wanna hate one individual. I personally blame ld. When the lead came down to four he should a called a TO and re interated the game plan,and made some real adjustments, to exploit our mismatches. But he doesn’t and his substitutions suck, same pattern just as woody. When your shots aren’t falling you go to the paint, we never get easy baskets,our pg has the ability to run the offense but never does cause our sg and pf want to. Give me a coach
Just Joe
January 21st, 2012
10:50 am
supamusic25…i don’t think you watched the game then. hawks were up 8 at half. when joe left the game in the third, we were then down 6. and when teague left, we were down 8. when joe comes back in, we’re only down 9. and when teague comes back in, we’re only down 10. when joe & teague leave again, we’re then down 14.
Section 303
January 21st, 2012
11:02 am
I think some of you are getting carried away with your reaction to Coach Drew’s comments. Several times this season he has been upset with the Hawks lack of energy/effort coming out of the half. So, I think he has just had enough. Last night put him over the edge and he blasted the team in the press. And, as any long time watcher of this team can attest, the Hawks have had problems with effort over the years. This team is not going to win any inspiration awards anytime soon.
I don’t think the Hawks quit last night, but they have not earned the benefit of the doubt. Effort is always in question with this group. So, LD has a point in bashing them.
Besides, I’m betting most of you would not even be talking about LD’s comments had Michael not opened the blog talking about them. As all the “as Barkley said…” posts prove, original thought is not a thing in huge supply among many who post here.
Not So Casual Observer
January 21st, 2012
11:05 am
The players may not have QUIT but there was no energy or effort in the third. Just one example was Elton Brand taking two offensive rebounds from 3 Hawks who never appeared to leave their feet. A little heart would be nice – that leads to effort.
In defense of the players, this schedule is nonsense and the playoffs may be decided by the bench since teams will have many injured starters.
Rufus1
January 21st, 2012
11:06 am
LD has been with this team for 6 years……He knows when they have QUIT!!!!!
We got out rebound by a team with a 6′6 PF by 19…..That is effort…They Quit!!!
SteveW
January 21st, 2012
11:12 am
Thad Young is a dynamic tweener – Doug Collins finds a way to maximize his skills.
All we do is complain about our tweeners.
And hey, Josh has had 2 bad games out of 10, I’ll take that. If he averages 20 and 10 eight out of 10 games, I’m fine with that.
We still need a C. Don’t know who. Rotoworld says Hinrich is available in trade. Also says he should be back at the end of the month. Or mid-Feb. at the latest
Now I’m not sure if rotoworld was talking about fantasy trade or not – sounded like the real thing – too lazy to check it out.
Rusty
January 21st, 2012
11:13 am
Anyone thinks LD is a good coach is not to bright.
terrell
January 21st, 2012
11:31 am
This team goes as JOSH goes.
Slimrjr
January 21st, 2012
11:33 am
Bench LD till he gets it…What a lousy coach!
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
11:34 am
Bench Josh till he gets it? Oh that right, never will….lol
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
11:36 am
Prediction Marvin 6′10″ Williams will get his shot blocked by a midget tonight. The streak will continue!
Also his gigantic backside will hit the hardwoods multiple times….That’s an easy one…
MattP
January 21st, 2012
11:39 am
Funny to see people on here loving LD. The only reason yall love him is because he is good at coaching the defense and that is it. He has know idea how to rotate, even though he talks like he is the master if rotation. He has know clue when to sit people because they are doing terrible, some games I seen Mavin or Teague doing good but for some reason they both were the first to get benched. He has no clue how to play the offense to benefit with each player. Collins did look good off the stats at first but he got tired and that is when LD should have brought Ivan in. It will not surprise me if LD benches Teague, when Kirk comes back, just to make him feel better. Instead of actually coaching his players he has to have Barkley coach them through the TNT commentary.
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
11:43 am
LD=Bobby F”ing Cox…..Clueless about his squad…
Know you Personnel…
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
11:43 am
your^
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
11:44 am
Collins would have coached a win last night with the Hawks personnel…..U bet!
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 21st, 2012
11:48 am
Don’t mess with my “Tu – Tu”!
“Anyone thinks LD is a good coach is not to bright.” -Rusty-
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Perhaps, Anyone is TOO bright for his own good?
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
11:49 am
How does Sund continue to play GM for 32 years and he’s won nam nothing??
Got pictures?
Lodge connections?
ET Al?
This guy is about a 4 on a scale of 1-10, 10 being Great! What a joke GM……….Lousy!!!!!!!!!!!
terrell
January 21st, 2012
11:54 am
Just one loss. Cant win em all. Btw, you guys act as if you dont expect these kinds of games from the Hawks. lol. I expect us to be 12-5 after tonight. Not too shabby. Btw, we need to be trying to package Kirk/Marvin/2nd rdr for a big man. Collins is doing all he can(which isnt bad, considering he’s Jason Collins), but it just isnt enough. And Zaza. Well,………………….. he’s Zaza. Does what he does. Rebounds pretty good, plays with a little heart, moving screens galore, cant catch a pass to save his life, etc…….. Gotta get another big in here. Got the pieces to do it. Get r done Sund.
MattP
January 21st, 2012
12:06 pm
terrell,
I do agree with you it’s just a loss but it is another embarrassing loss. If I’m correct out of our 5 losses all of them were really embassing, they were very easily winnable. Rockets game, remember the starter doing bad but then the bench brings it close then the 2nd half, LD decides to bring in the starters.The Bulls, We held them down for 3 quarters and it looked like we were going to win, guess they didn’t want the win. Heat, we can beat them with Lebron/Wade but not without, nothing more to say. Sixers and Pacers we gave up in the 2nd Half.
WHEN ARE THEY MOVING ?????
January 21st, 2012
12:10 pm
WHEN ARE THESE LOSERS HEADING WEST ? NO NEED TO WASTE TIME & MONEY ON THIS CRAP TEAM, OWNERS, LEAGUE !!!
NEVER BEEN, NEVER WILL, GET OUT OF TOWN hawks !!!! THE SOONER THE BETTER !!!!!!!!!
Just Joe
January 21st, 2012
12:32 pm
One kid that might be available at the right price is Jordan Hill in Houston.
Hill’s draft measurements were 6′9.25″ w/o shoes, 7′1.5″ wingspan, and 9′0″ standing reach, so he’s taller than Al, but not too big that he’s not still athletic. He’s a little thin, but he’s putting up 5 pts, 5 rebs, and 1 block in 16 minutes a night.
Kevkat
January 21st, 2012
12:48 pm
maybe I missed it section 303, but could you show me anywhere in LD’s comments where he takes any blame. Let’s face it, neither he nor Woody can motivate players.
doc
January 21st, 2012
12:56 pm
yes to gdad.
the last time i remember seeing our guys play the sixers in person they were tossed around like seeds in the wind at the phillips and roundly defeated in philly, though it was during our quit period at the end of the season. the bottom line is philly is better than we are and have been since mid-season last year. we showed we can only keep up a half against them until they over power us with hawes out no less.
i still have my eyebrows though i thought about half time i might have to answer to astro from an earlier comment i made in anticipation of this game. when LD refused to make a time out to make an adjustment and let josh shoot jumper after jumper in the third quarter i knew they were safe.
yes, the team quit because LD forgot to manage the team and the guys said silently to themselves roll it up til tomorrow night and maybe josh will have come down to earth again, jj find his worn out legs and teague begin to penetrate the lane and find some easy foul shots. 11 and 5 not bad with wins over the heat and bulls on the resume. realistically, they should not be worse than 6 and 7 with the easy sched but february breaks soon and it could be a long month for hawks fans. then is when we will find out if there is fight or quit in this team.
i really think LD was saying the team quit doing the things that could bring home a win which is all the bloggers were saying during the game. only problem is LD was part of the problem rather than solution.
Ole Hawks's Fan
January 21st, 2012
1:02 pm
One of the bloggers mention Avin as a player on here, did they mean Ivan? This team doesn’t play to their strengths, wich is putting the ball in Teague hands and let him push the ball up court but nooooooooo, we walk the ball up with Teague giving the ball to JJ who dribbles and dribbles until the shot clock is down to three seconds left and JJ has to do a fall away jumper or Josh(PG wanna be) dribbles slowly up the court and then throws a bad pass turning the ball over. LD, Teague is your PG and the ball should be in his hands, not JJ or Josh. Marvin should be sit down and play Ivan and Rad more minutes. Let Ivan start tonight and keep Marvin on the bench. He is killing this team. Let him sit on that large backside of his and watch how other perform. Maybe this will make a light bulb go off in his head of what he is NOT doing. I mention on yesterday’s blog how Marvin shot is blocked more than any other player in the NBA as it has been mention on this blog but other fans. T Mac looked horrible last(maybe it was the four games played). Until LD tell these wanna be PG let the true PG run the team on offense. I’m still not sold on Prago as JT back up. He just haven’t shown me he is the person to be JT back up. Maybe Sloan should be tried as the back up to JT. LD tell JT to attach the basket. and if the defense collaspe on him to dish the ball. This team shoot free throws horrible and maybe Mark Price should be brought in to help the team to improve on % made from the charity line. Josh get out and run the court when your team has the ball from a defensive rebound. Work in the paint and don’t let the opposing team lure you int shotting those 15 foot jump shots. Put the ball on the floor and either drive to the basket or kick the ball out to a teammate. JJ move without the ball and stop asting like you are older that you are. Don’t just stand around looking but MOVE JJ. Hawks please concentrate on that first free throw to make it and then hit the second one. Do better with the free throws and that will help your PPG average. Lastly but not lease, STEP UP AND SHOW THE FANS THAT THIS TEAM WILL PLAY TEAM BALL AN D DO ALL THE LITTLE THINGS TO WIN. As Grandad states on here…………………BOX OUT……………….BOX OUT as my old coach use to say………Rebounding “Put a body on somebody” and this includes the defender guarding the shooters……….by boxing the shooter out, you keep him from running in and getting an offensive rebound.
doc
January 21st, 2012
1:10 pm
sopa is dead:
http://mashable.com/2012/01/20/sopa-is-dead-smith-pulls-bill/
megaupload scandal will probably bring it back in some form.
Ray
January 21st, 2012
1:16 pm
My Wishlist depending on how things go this season if it ends badly a.k.a another 2nd round sweep.
I want 4 people out of here Al, Josh, Marvin, and Joe(gets amnestied). Give Al to someone like the Nets and get us some draft picks.
If you can give Josh to Orlando so him and Dwight have what they want. Marvin and Joe can take a hike for all I care.
As for the rest of the team keep everyone except Collins(worthless)
We need to rebuild through free-agency or the draft(choosing the latter). We need people that will listen to the head coach oh yeah almost forget FIRE ASKG, and FIRE LD as well get us a real ownership and a real head coach not one that’s in training.
Grandad
January 21st, 2012
1:23 pm
Every team loses games.
It is the way a team loses that is disconcerting.
The Hawks invented the design for last evening’s loss.
That is why LD was quoted:
‘`I’ve seen this before”.
Do not use the word ‘`hate” / I do not hate Josh Smith.
I am tired of his schtick and I do not enjoy watching him play anymore.
Once upon a time Josh would make Rodman-esque plays;
chasing down fast breaks & blocking shots, and the like.
He is doing that less and less.
The fact remains, I do not hate Josh; although I have become jaded.
Big Lou
January 21st, 2012
1:45 pm
I find it funny that Josh Smith made those comments, when you could clearly tell he quit last night in the fourth quarter by his body language. It’s not LD’s fault that they did not drive to the dang basket, and settled for stupid perimeter shots — looking at you Josh ‘Brick’. Hawks players always want to blame everyone else, but themselves. Did LD make mistakes? Yes. He should have put in Ivan Johnson for the defensive intensity, and leave green in, ’cause that guy was on fire. Yet, the game was clearly winnable, and that team folded like cheap lawn chairs.
Big Lou
January 21st, 2012
1:48 pm
Also, maybe if the owners would stop being so dang cheap and hire outside coaches who can motivate these thick-skull players, we could be something. Take notes from A. Blank!
Rufus1
January 21st, 2012
1:55 pm
I would like all of these “ONLY WHEN THE HAWKS LOSE BLOGGERS” to be post just as much when they win….Because the blog was “dead” after the Trailblazer win.
doc
January 21st, 2012
1:55 pm
josh had another “be like bosh attack” last night thinking he could mimic that guys game. sorry josh, you just arent good enough to keep doing it when you dont have it and your team is behind and needs you to do the right thing and not settle.
Rufus1
January 21st, 2012
1:57 pm
The Hawks are 11-5….Just Relax
Has the following occured ?
January 21st, 2012
2:06 pm
Has Sund been fired? should have never been hired?
Has Larry Drew been fired?
Has Al been let go or traded ? We should have a better response for the money
Then the hawks wont make it out of the second round.
steven a
January 21st, 2012
2:07 pm
Joe Johnson should have been ammnestied. Maybe it will happen next season. He and Marvin lack
effort. I do not know if it is laziness or poor instincts, or combination of both.
Rusty
January 21st, 2012
2:10 pm
Does anybody on this blog not think that LD does not have a tight rope around JTs neck
Has the following occured ?
January 21st, 2012
2:10 pm
At least Josh is trying and doesnt quit. Cant win them All. Nobody does. For as many wins as we do have Id have to give Josh the MVP of the wins with JJ a distance 2nd.
Im not one to wait for a loss to pin the tail on the donkeys. No, I appreciate the winning record as it is and credit Josh with as much an emphasis on those wins as anybody
Go hawks I dont expect you to win them All Just dont quit.
steven a
January 21st, 2012
2:11 pm
Hawks should bring in Francisco Elson for a tryout as well as D.J. Mbenja. both are upgrades over Jason “scrub”Collins.
Has the following occured ?
January 21st, 2012
2:12 pm
No rusty, I dont think anybody has a rope around turnover teague’s neck . Teague has had more than enough learning time. Its time for him to produce and play.
MattP
January 21st, 2012
2:13 pm
RSX,
I agree with you, we started out good the past few season but ended bad. I think the one thing that is going to change that this season is Hinrich. LD will probably eventually start him over Teague or really reduce Teagues minutes.
Has the following occured ?
January 21st, 2012
2:14 pm
Woodson> Larry (woody lite) Drew
steven a
January 21st, 2012
2:14 pm
Marvin Williams salary is “Killing” the Hawks. They have to figure out a way to trade Marvin along with sacrificing Kurt heinrich. Rather have heinrich over Joe “rollercoaster” Johnson.
Donte
January 21st, 2012
2:16 pm
Big Ray you havent got a clue. You are a major hater. Where is that scrub center you brag about, Al Horford?
steven a
January 21st, 2012
2:18 pm
Joe Johnson had “8″ points last night, 8 points. Joe needs to definitely visit the Wizard and find not only a HEART but some COURAGE too. He’s robbing ASG blind. Joe “Madoff” Johnson.
MattP
January 21st, 2012
2:18 pm
steven a,
You would rather have someone that you don’t even know their name? What has *Kirk Hinrich* proved over Johnson?
steven a
January 21st, 2012
2:22 pm
Joe Johnson should be the Hawks starting small forward. He should be in the post all the time. Start Willie Green at the “2 Guard” until Heinrich returns. TRADE AL HORFORD FOR ANYTHING AVAILABLE, PLEASE.
crazy_88
January 21st, 2012
2:23 pm
I didn’t see the game last night but judging from the comments I read from some of the players. It seems that Josh Smith is the main culprit for what LD describes as ” quiting on the team “. Maybe all the ” Allstar” talk has gone to his head perhaps? I’ve watched enough of the Hawks that I think one of their main issues is that LD needs to create and insert some more ” fluid” offensive sets or guys need to start ” breaking plays ” because I’m sure his offensive sets doesn’t call for Josh Smith to be bringing the ball down the court and taking the first shot he thinks is open. Whatever happened to having the ball move all aorund from side to side or making sure the ball passes thru the hands of all 3 players instead of it going from Teague to Joe/Josh – to a shot ? And lets keep it real when people talk about ” veteran presence ” guys only listed to veterans who have done something in this league on a big time stage – Tracy is the only guy who the Hawks have who can chip in his 2 cents about something – nobody is listening to Willie Greeen, Pargo or Stackhouse, the latter because he hasn’t been relevan in 10 yrs. I would like to see LD run more plays for Tracy or put the ball more in his hands and let him run the offense because the team seems to work more in a flow when he’s out on the court. I’m constantly seeing Tracy point to where guys need to be on the floor and he has the highest Basketbal IQ on this team because he’s seen and played against just about every defesive scheme that a team can play. I know LD wants to keep him rested and fresh for the playoffs but at some point they need to give him a lil bit more freedom on offense and let him play his game.
steven a
January 21st, 2012
2:24 pm
MattP
January 21st, 2012
2:18 pm
steven a,
You would rather have someone that you don’t even know their name? What has *Kirk Hinrich* proved over Johnson?
Kurt Hinrich is far more clutch, higher shooting % and higher FT shooting %. Better passer!!
steven a
January 21st, 2012
2:28 pm
I would trade Marvin for “Metta World peace” as much as I can not stand Ron Artest,
steven a
January 21st, 2012
2:31 pm
The Atlanta Hawks appear to be a far better Basketball team without Al “no post game” Horford.
doc
January 21st, 2012
2:32 pm
come on rufus losers love company though the hawks effort or lack there of brought them out. sad ld didnt say where he blew it, nor josh nor jj nor jeff just took it in stride.
okay, look for a comeback to seven games above .500. high mark maybe for the year.
so many danoni critics here the last few days fail to recognize the second worst owner blew up a very goid team to get melo and sent walsh away in one swoop. he is the most wreckless of the group and deserves a bad team though i though it might be betteruntil they jettisoned billips the real glue.
Grandmaster JeJe
January 21st, 2012
2:36 pm
LD SAID HE WANTED TO GET RID OF SLOW STARTS TO 3RD QUARTERS.
WE WERE UP 8 AT HALFTIME AND DOWN BY 7 AFTER 3 QUARTERS.
PATHETIC
PATHETIC
FIRE LD
FIRE MARVIN
FIRE MARVIN
FIRE MARVIN
Rusty
January 21st, 2012
2:37 pm
If jt scores to much ld says he’s not getting his team mates involved enough,but ld let’s Josh & Joe run the offense. When jt gets hot like the first half yesterday ld sits him. He is constantly knocking every liitle mistake ,yet he let’s josh & Joe fk up the offense constantly.
steven a
January 21st, 2012
2:38 pm
Also, If HAWKS management are smart, they will draft the center from Syracuse, Fab Melo. All mock drafts have them looking at a SF.
Rusty
January 21st, 2012
2:41 pm
Nortcyde have you been enlarging it lately
steven a
January 21st, 2012
2:44 pm
I am in Orlando, and it is 73 Degrees right now boys. Think i will go out and get some BBQ. Maybe i’ll run into D. Howard and he’ll tell me why he will never play for ASG. Met Doc River in Starbucks one morning and told him to come coach the hawks. Doc said “they need players.”
kwooden
January 21st, 2012
2:51 pm
Watched last nights game again:
1) HAWKS got out coached. Not that LD did a bad job, but Collins knows his personnel better and gets more out of them on both ends of the floor.
2) Better execution by Philly. The HAWKS had a sequence that they basically turned the ball over on three straight possessions. That’s unacceptable for a good team.
3) Rebounding!! 15 to 3 on offensive boards! Needed to see more Ivan!
Clearly the execution can be corrected but it will take some time. Tonight is another opportunity to get better.
GO HAWKS!!
lewis
January 21st, 2012
3:13 pm
when elton brand is owning you like that, you put in ivan johnson, wtf
O'Brien
January 21st, 2012
3:26 pm
This is the Hawks first 11 shots in the 3rd quarter.
10:56 – Josh misses 25-foot three point jumper
10:30 – Josh misses 16 foot jumper
10:02 – JJ misses 29 foot three point jumper
9:48 – Josh Smith dunks
9:13 – Josh misses 16 foot jumper.
8:52 – Joe Johnson makes 19-foot two point shot
7:41 – Joe Johnson misses 15-foot jumper
6:54 – Josh Smith misses 8-foot jumper
6:37 – Marvin Williams misses jumper
6:13 – Jeff Teague misses 25-foot three point jumper
5:43 – Josh Smith misses 21-foot jumper
As bad as the team is, LD did not do a good job coaching. He did not take a timeout until 5:31. So he sat there and saw 11 bad shots before he takes a timeout?
And he did not sub for Marvin and Twin until the timout was called. Really? Terrible coaching in my opinion.
And the first shot after the timeout? Jeff Teague misses 26-foot three point jumper.
O'Brien
January 21st, 2012
3:30 pm
If I was LD, I would have called a timeout after Josh missed his 3rd jumper of the quarter at 9:13. And at that point, I would put Ivan, T-Mac and ZaZa in the game, and bench Josh, Twin, and Marvin.
LD did not cost us the game, but I think a good coach is able to push the right button when his team is struggling. LD did not. Terrible coaching, and terrible execution by the players.
kwooden
January 21st, 2012
3:45 pm
O’Brien, great read on the key sequence in the game. We never posted Brand or got Josh in a face-up against Vucevic. Meeks was covering Marvin for that sequence also, which should have been recognized early in the shot clock and taken advantage of. We have to be a much more consistent and smarter team. The coaches have to help also. Clearly Ivan should have been in the game for Collins to try and get some offensive boards.
GO HAWKS!!
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
5:23 pm
February?
I keep hearing it, let me check the sched..Could this be a .500 team at the end of February?
Uh Oh!!! Reality check coming? Maybe?
I’ve got to check the schedule.. stay tuned!
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
5:25 pm
LD had a .500 team last season,except fothe 1st 6…. Not surprised if we have the same results?
MattP
January 21st, 2012
5:27 pm
They really need to figure out what they are doing with the center position because February looks tough. Best to start working the center in now.
MattP
January 21st, 2012
5:32 pm
If I’m correct we got worse as a team after the Hinrich trade last season.
O'Brien
January 21st, 2012
5:34 pm
Slim,
Here is the Fe schedule.
Memphis, Philly, Phoenix, Pacers, @ Orlando, @ Miami, @ Lakers, @ Suns, @ Blazers, @ Bulls, @ Knicks, Orlando, Golden State.
12 of the 13 games will be tough. We need another big by then, because if we are relying on strictly ZaZa and Twin, we could be in big trouble.
steven A.
January 21st, 2012
5:40 pm
Al Horford is not walking through that door anytime soon Hawks. Get used to life without the 12million dollar man until next season.
Rusty
January 21st, 2012
5:41 pm
Josh would have a better chance of getting rebounds if we kept his butt under the basket,jj would have a much better chance of scoring if he stopped dribbling for 20 second by then having 3 men on him with 4 seconds left on the clock. Ld would have a much better chance of winning games if he had any feel for the game.
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 21st, 2012
5:51 pm
Sequence!
OB, thanks for posting the sequential collapse, I just got a flashback of that visual from last night. How vivid. LOL
steven A.
January 21st, 2012
5:56 pm
Hawks usually pass on these type of players and their names are Gasol and Bynum.
Kenny Frease, Xavier, 7-0, Sr Fab Melo, Syracuse 7-0. Weight: 245. Year: So. Joshua Smith, UCLA
Height: 6-10. Weight: 305. Year: So. Robert Sacre, Gonzaga Height: 7-0. Weight: 260. Year: Sr.
Renardo Sidney Position: Power Forward Size: 6-10, 270
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
6:22 pm
Whenever your team quits, its on you COACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And your crazy enough to put it out there for the public to digest thinking it will motivate your team?
Your in for a huge surprise Coach!
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
6:25 pm
“Teams are going to make runs,” Drew said. “It’s how you respond to runs. You either man up or you fold the tent. Tonight we certainly folded the tent in that third quarter.”
Your team folded like a wet noodle..Cant say what I really want to….The kids are up!
Slimjr
January 21st, 2012
6:31 pm
One way you improve your offense is to make sure you never start Marvin at the beginning of any quarter.
If Josh takes three jumpers in a row from 16-25 ft, bench him asap! He’s not Chris Bosh!!!!!
That’s a start Coach!
Chris Vivlamore
January 21st, 2012
6:34 pm
I will close out commenting here, as requested, since I’ve posted a new game thread blog for Saturday’s contest against Cavs.