Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 92, Trail Blazers 89

  • The Hawks faced their toughest foe since Al Horford went down and won again. After the W they said a lot of things about guys stepping up to do more in his absence. Normally such cliches inspire eye-rolling from a cynical hack like myself but, I’ve got to say, that’s what’s happened so far.
  • How else to explain a W in which the bench kept the Hawks in it until Joe Johnson got hot, and then the starters closed it out after the reserves faded and Jamal Crawford tried to do his thing where he shakes off all of his earlier misses with fourth-quarter shot-making? What else to think about a game in which Jannero Pargo and Tracy McGrady play big roles along with Joe, Jeff Teague and Josh Smith?
  • The pieces seem to be fitting together.
  • “It really feels like these guys are starting to get a feel for one another,” Larry Drew said. “In the first half felt like we had a good flow with the starters and reserves. A few times in the second half we fell out of rhythm but guys are starting to mesh together. Any combination I put on the floor we seem to have some kind of chemistry. We feel like the players we have brought in complement the players that have been here.”
  • Look at some areas in which Horford produced and the Hawks have several players who, either consistently or at crucial times, have offered a bit more than usual since he went down: rebounding (Joe, Zaza Pachulia, Marvin Williams, Tracy McGrady), scoring (Smith, Johnson, Pargo, and Willie Green), assists (Johnson, McGrady).
  • “We’ve got a lot of guys who can do different things,” Williams said. “I think everyone has stepped up to give a little more to fill that void. You can’t replace a guy like Al so everyone has to chip in.”
  • “I think everybody is doubting us because Al went out,” Teague said. “I think it’s [made] us tighter. Guys want to win.”
  • If you weren’t impressed by the Ws against Charlotte, Minnesota, and Toronto then you at least have to give the Hawks Ps for this one. It’s not like it was a given they would win all of those games after the shock of losing Horford. “I didn’t know how we would fare because he does so much for this ball club,” Smith said.
  • Since blowing leads against Chicago and Miami, the Hawks have showed some finishing kick to close out New Jersey, Minnesota, Toronto and now the Blazers. None of those teams is as good as the Bulls and Heat but the Hawks have to get it done consistently against lesser competition if they hope to do it against the better opponents (which sounds kind of weird to say since they are missing their All-Star center).
  • “We maintained our composure,” Drew said. “That’s one area we have to continue to grow in. Last year in a situation you could read our body language, and runs kind of let the wind out of our sails. As of late, we have been withstanding runs and that’s a great sign to me and tells me we are starting to grow in that area.”
  • The winning plays included Smith blocking Gerald Wallace’s layup attempt and Johnson creeping up from behind on Wesley Matthews for a steal that led to an alley-oop dunk by Jeff Teague.
  • “I don’t know if he thought I was not going to try to get back in the play,” Johnson said. “He didn’t have any awareness when I was coming from behind. I didn’t want to tap the ball forward to where he could get it so I tapped it to where I could get it. Jeff Teague, I saw him running down the wing and I know he can fly so I just threw it up there and he went up there and got it.”
  • Johnson started 0 for 5 and then 8 of his next 14 shots. He had 10 of Atlanta’s 30 points in the second quarter and seven of 17 in the fourth. “That’s all it takes is to see a couple go in the basket,” he said. “We are doing a good job mocing the ball but I wanted to be a little more assertive in that second quarter.”
  • Smith didn’t make jump shots tonight but he had 11 rebounds, three blocks and three assists against three turnovers. LaMarcus Aldridge, Smith’s friend from their prep days, tested his slimmer frame and Smith held up pretty well while taking swipes at the ball to throw off Aldridge’s rhythm. “I was just trying to absorb the contact and get some help as little as possible,” Smith said. “When he caught it deep I was wanting them to come down and scrap a little bit and show him different looks. It definitely wasn’t just me.”
  • Williams had eight rebounds and 12 points on eight shots in 21 minutes. That’s similar to his production before he got hurt so maybe Drew needs to ride him when Ivan Johnson isn’t having much of an impact, like tonight.
  • Teague was driving to pass or get fouled (13 points on five shots). He did a good job on the ball-handler in pick-and-rolls–the problem at times was Aldridge easily shaking free on the pop.
  • Speaking of which, Drew’s decision to play Jason Collins against Kurt Thomas led to Thomas leaking out for those mid-range jump shots he favors and controlling the boards.
  • Meanwhile Zaza (11 rebounds in 27 minutes) was solid. Finishing at the rim remains an adventure and he didn’t get to the line tonight but he covers so much more ground than Twin and is always challenging ball-handlers and shooters.
  • Pargo came in and made his first four shots. He appeared to be a bit peeved about coming out after his second turnover in the first half.
  • Jamal tried to steal one from his old team. “I knew that was coming,” Josh said. “He actually probably still wanted to be here. It would have been nice to see him in a Hawks uniform. Things happen in this business. I wish him the best. I’m glad we were able to slow him down a little bit.”
  • “I tried not think about coming back to Atlanta and just tried to focus on getting a win,” Crawford said. “The Hawks are playing great even without Al in the lineup.”
  • The Hawks made 21 of 27 free-throw attempts but, go figure, two of the six misses came in the final 7.6 seconds.
  • Vladimir Radmanovic was a DNP-CD. “There were a couple times I wanted to get him in there but at that four spot I didn’t want to play him against certain guys,” Drew said. “He will be back into our rotation because I definitely need him.”

152 comments Add your comment

TMACfan

January 19th, 2012
12:39 am

Looks like Atlanta is #2 in the east!

HawkZ

January 19th, 2012
12:41 am

FIRST!~!~ DAYME!!~~!~ GOOO HAWKZ

TMACfan

January 19th, 2012
12:44 am

Mike

January 19th, 2012
12:45 am

Our bench play is really surprising, especially since all the “experts” (Hollinger, etc) said we had no depth. Marvin def should have saw the floor more tonight- LD needs to recognize that. All in all, great win for morale and we def need a W in Philly on Fri

bigdave

January 19th, 2012
12:46 am

“I was just trying to absorb the contact and get some help as little as possible,”

though lighter, Josh did a pretty good job on defending LA in the post. i noticed he kicked it back out a few times late when trying to back Josh down..

bigdave

January 19th, 2012
12:49 am

thats as descriptive as ive heard Joe when breaking down a moment in the game..

no usual,” i dunno man, i just wanted to make a play”

Adam

January 19th, 2012
12:49 am

As I’ve been telling you, Joe Johnson’s MVP run continued tonight.

He owns each and every one of you.

tjhook

January 19th, 2012
12:53 am

I’m wondering if there is a way the Hawks could acquire shotblocking forward Ed Davis from the Toronto Raptors

Big Daddy

January 19th, 2012
1:01 am

Good win against a solid team. The starters played together and did not get rattled at the many times Portland made comebacks after the guys got minor leads. The bench played well again and the play did not drop off with the 2nd unit in. That is very encouraging. The guys have shown that they can go out an execute the plays the coaches have called and they are seeing that it is working. I am very happy for this win and the continued emergence of Jefff Teague as the person to lead this team.

It is still maddening to see Josh bring the ball up and try to run the play. He ignores Jeff and tonight made a number of turnover on passes he should not have attempted. He is getting the green light on the jumpers because he is making them. Tonight, he did go inside and pass when they weren’t falling. That shows maturity. Go Hawks!!!!!

GA PEACH

January 19th, 2012
1:03 am

Go hawks TNT,ESPN, AND AJC continues to doubt these hawks and all they keep doing is winning. I love it GO HAWKS

Najeh Davenpoop

January 19th, 2012
1:05 am

This was their first major test after losing Al, and they passed. If Marvin and Zaza can contribute more positives than negatives, like they did in this one, the Hawks can beat good teams like Portland. Joe and Josh continue to show up every game. Josh played All-Star Aldridge to a draw and Joe stuffed the stat sheet again. Great to see them step up in Al’s absence, and I hope they can keep this up.

Of course, according to Hollinger’s rankings, the Hawks’ next opponent is the best team in the league. That is test #2. Can they win a road game against the league’s #1 defense? We shall see.

I still would feel better about them if they acquired a real big man. I like some things Twin does that don’t show up in the stat sheet, but he isn’t starter material and neither is Zaza.

FTPB:

“najeh please dont leave >>> we know who you are >>>fk them trolls man.”

My name ain’t Hermione. I don’t have the inclination to stay and fight trolls. If they want to jack my screen name, they can have it and I’ll leave. Hopefully people are smart enough to figure out when a troll is posting.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 19th, 2012
1:11 am

Count me in among those who thought Josh did a pretty good job on Aldridge considering that he gives up probably 20-30 pounds to him.

Buddy Grizzard

January 19th, 2012
1:19 am

“How about hoping that Zaza scores 15 points and grabs 13 rebounds ” – northcyde

A little optimistic there northcyde… settle for 5 points and 11 boards?

“Also a good reason why projecting Zaza’s per minute stats and implying that he would be equally effective in a starting role doesn’t work.” – Najeh

That requires actually trying him out as a starter.

“Here’s another hint: he’s also the 12th worst player on that list in turnover rate.” – Najeh

But he still lead the Hawks in postseason +/-.

“I like Twin for his basketball IQ, ability to take charges, and some of the little things he does that don’t show up on the stat sheet.” – Najeh

It’s a good thing Twin does things that don’t show up in the stat sheet because otherwise, how would we know he was even there?

Najeh, you can’t get past the fact that Zaza is awkward. I was at the game tonight and HE IS AWKWARD. But he also put up highly productive stats. If Drew wants to continue his dog and pony show with Collins as a 12 mpg starter… whatever. But to suggest we need to trade away a player who has been in the top 10 in postseason rebounding rate 2 of the last 3 years (and who is the only player on that list making less than $10m per season) strikes me as a bit absurd.

Hawks Fan Down Under

January 19th, 2012
1:22 am

good win with even contributions. Marvin must be frustrated though. He was our best player in the first 6mins but he’s subbed out first….doesnt make sense.
Not sure what Chris Mullin’s been smoking but Joe Johnson is not LeBron like in any way. but he called the game good unlike Brent Barry who’s a total tool.

Ken Strickland

January 19th, 2012
1:26 am

It was excellent timing that Pargo and Green finally started hitting their shots immediately after Horford went down. Shortly after getting the starting nod when Marvin was out, VRad seems to have lost his shot and has fallen out of favor with LDrew. The Hawks arecontinuing to become a very consistent and productive team, both offensively and defensively.

GaSouthernSmooth

January 19th, 2012
1:26 am

good solid win, great bench production. surprised we won on the national tv, When will the letdown come though? is the 1st question, And the 2nd is can this team (sans horford) with the pieces it has accomplish anything in the playoffs? PLEASE MAKE A MOVE FOR A 7 footer who can solidify the hawks as a contender. move 1st rd pick marvin zaza if you need to isnt this obvious SUND?

Free IVAN

Hawks Fan Down Under

January 19th, 2012
1:28 am

And Zaza is tottaly an adventure under the hoop. He’s awkward, timid, gets blocked, stripped, blows lay ups. I reckon he should be like Rodman was. Get the board and kick it straight out again because he’s got about a 10% chance of scoring on the put back.

Buddy Grizzard

January 19th, 2012
1:33 am

“It is still maddening to see Josh bring the ball up and try to run the play. He ignores Jeff and tonight made a number of turnover on passes he should not have attempted.” – Big Daddy

Good observation and I’ve been noting this all year… Josh will bound-and-break and have Teague ahead of him but he won’t push the ball ahead. Instead he tries to be the point guard. Sometimes he makes great decisions, sometimes he throws the ball away. But if he would just let the point guard be the point guard he’d have more monster dunks like the one Jeff fed to him off the break.

EmirS.

January 19th, 2012
2:01 am

The excuse that was made for Josh [somewhere in a previous blog], as to why he brings the ball is up because Mike Bibby was too slow to run with him/the team. With Bibby gone, Josh continues bringing the ball up. I remember in one of those Miami games, the announcer said the Josh was an excellent passer. I thought excellent was a bit to much. Josh is a good passer. Why he continues bringing up the ball is beyond me at this point. Everyone on this team can run the floor. You have Teague and Joe who are more then willing to give you the lob. Why not pass it to them!? Hell Marvin will run the floor with you and set you up for a dunk! [Notice how I went from speaking about Josh to actually speaking to him?]

And you know what pisses me off even more, is the when he actually does pass it in the backcourt…it’s like a “princess” pass. It’s so soft that It feels like a good 4 to 5 seconds before the ball actually reaches the intended person. I feel like throwing a brick at him when I see that.

I’m very happy to see him drive to the paint alot more now. He still jacks up the shots, but he’s slowly incorporating driving into the paint, as part of his arsenal. I know Josh is explosive. But has anyone else noticed that to many times he’s taking his time running into transition defense?

daniel

January 19th, 2012
2:08 am

tmac makes everything look easy. Imean the guy seems to be thinking on 2 possessions ahead. He reads the floor so well and has serious court vision. If he was’nt so injury prone, dude would be the best PG out there.

daniel

January 19th, 2012
2:09 am

Valadrad is out of the rotation because if his shot is not falling he brings nothing else. Atleast guys like Tmac and Green have other weapons

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

January 19th, 2012
2:36 am

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

January 19th, 2012
4:31 am

The bench brought us back against Minnesota. The bench kept us in this game until Joe got hot. That will be the difference this year, actually having a “2nd Unit” instead of 1 guy and useless crap.

Just Joe

January 19th, 2012
5:24 am

Loved how LD sent a clear message to Pargo. I don’t care if you’re 4 for 4, you’re my backup PG. You turn the ball over twice WHILE BRINGING IT UP THE FLOOR, and you’re out. That’s unacceptable.

I’m also not going to complain about the Marvin sub in the 1st. Because in the end, Marvin was -5 in 21 minutes at SF, and McGrady was +8 in 27 minutes at SF. I said it pregame, that Marvin, TMac & Vlad would have to outproduce Wallace & Batum. Hawks three = 20 points (with no minutes from Vlad). Blazers two = 8 points.

ag

January 19th, 2012
5:25 am

I think Marvin is finaly getting it. He is our wink link and other teams know it. Crawford checked Marvin and Wallace checked Joe. If Marvin would have a strong inside game, this team would be complete. At least he is boarding more.. and I hate to say it….. I wish Drew had more confidence in him and give him more minutes when he is playing well. He should have played at least 35 minutes tongiht.

Just Joe

January 19th, 2012
5:31 am

Our center production tonight (Collins, ZaZa & I’ll include Ivan): 7 pts on 3 of 8 shooting, 13 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover, and attempted 2 foul shots. (These 3 actually totalled 53 minutes on the floor to accumulate these stats).

ag

January 19th, 2012
5:34 am

Collins is on our roster for only one player in the league and honestly that is when he should play. It reallly is no centers out there unless we are going to tear up our team. ZaZa under the basket is a terrible thing… I will say he does look like he hit the weight room.

Hmmmm

January 19th, 2012
5:41 am

“The bench brought us back against Minnesota. The bench kept us in this game until Joe got hot. That will be the difference this year, actually having a “2nd Unit” instead of 1 guy and useless crap.”

BASICALLY.

TO EVERYONE SAYING THEY DON’T NEED AL, UHH YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH HAVING ONE BIG WITH A PULSE (ZAZA) AGAINST SOME OF THESE TEAMS, BUT IT WON’T WORK LIKE THAT COME PLAYOFF TIME IF YOU’RE TRYING TO DO BIG THINGS. JASON IS A WASTE OF A ROSTER SPOT. CAN’T GO INTO THE POSTSEASON WITH ONLY BIG WHO CAN REBOUND AND RUN THE FLOOR AND YOU’LL BE ELIMINATED QUICK. BETTER HOPE AL MAKES IT BACK LIKE HE SAYS.

Hmmmm

January 19th, 2012
5:47 am

GOOD WIN THOUGH. REMEMBER WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE BLAZERS AND KNICKS BEING FRAUDS THOUGH? YUP. MELO IS GETTING EXPOSED LIKE NO ONE ELSE.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE A REAL TEAM DOING DIRTY WORK, LOOK AT OUR OLD FRIEND TY CORBIN AND THE UTAH JAZZ. ESPN WON’T TALK ABOUT THEM THOUGH SINCE THEY AREN’T IN A BIG CITY. HE’S GOT THEM OUTWORKING EVERYBODY.

Shellie Ludemann

January 19th, 2012
5:58 am

Its like you read my mind! You appear to know a lot about this, like you wrote the book in it or something. I think that you could do with some pics to drive the message home a little bit, but instead of that, this is fantastic blog. An excellent read. I’ll certainly be back.

Just Joe

January 19th, 2012
5:58 am

If you’re a fan of PER (and I’m not), its interesting that every guy on the roster is 11 or better except Pargo & Jason Collins.

Pargo is shooting 36% from the floor, 31% from 3, and his high turnovers to low assists just paint him as an inefficient player.

Collins just doesn’t show up in the stat book at all. He actually has a -1.1 rating.

This doesn’t paint the whole picture, because we also can’t have Marvin & Vlad shooting below 40% from the field.

Hinrich replaces Pargo. ??? replaces Collins.

Shows us how the Hawks are getting it done though. 12 of 14 guys that have played this year, are playing within the system and producing. Last year we had 17 guys log minutes for this team, and only 10 of them produced a PER above 11 (and Kirk Hinrich wasn’t one of them).

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 19th, 2012
6:00 am

The horford Effect!

•“I think everybody is doubting us because Al went out,” Teague said. “I think it’s [made] us tighter. Guys want to win.”
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That’s what I’n seeing.
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“I don’t have the inclination to fight the trolls.” – najeh davenpoop -

I know man … the 2 foot gremlins were out in full force last night. They lit up Sautee too, but I spotted the foolishness right away. I know Najeh’s style and vernacular so, it was relatively easy to spot the imposter. The meds ran out early this month. ha ha

All great observations on this game from everyone. We know more than these so-called GM’s hands down. i agree zaza should kick those rebounds back out, or like josh said, help should come and (i’ll add to get the ball) out of zaza’s hands in those instances … Marvin, too.

Dukester

January 19th, 2012
6:02 am

Good game Hawks I am proud of the decisions to bring in this cast of the bench. Iam proud how Drew is handling this team. I am proud of the unselfish team concept they have adopted. Josh you have improved but if you would commit to 15 rebounds a night you would average 25 pts and get a max contract guaranteed! Marvin commit to 8-10 boards a night you would get 15-17 points and no one will bother you anymore. LOL Joe if you would shoot 20-25 shots you would earn that check. Hey good luck guys the rest of the way. Sund get a rebounding shotblocking center on this team I mean now and right now!!!!

STRETCH

January 19th, 2012
6:34 am

Wow, im watching NBA TV, they just showed the highlights and afterward they all just sat on the panel and talked about the Blazers the entire time!!!

Lea

January 19th, 2012
6:46 am

Lol at all you josh smith haters…

Marcus

January 19th, 2012
6:47 am

MC,
Taking all things in consideration so far (2nd team play, absence of “Capt. Kirk” while recovering from injury), for the latter part of the season and post-season, does Kirk Heinrich have more value as a super-sub PG or as dangling bait to get another piece for a playoff run?

Marcus

January 19th, 2012
6:54 am

dmaryb,
Can we teach Zaza to go straight back up with the put-back vs. trying to head fake or put it on the floor for positioning?!? :) LOL
I recall at least twice (maybe 3) times he did that and ended up getting blocked or having the ball stripped.

northcyde

January 19th, 2012
6:57 am

Najeh Davenpoop

January 19th, 2012
1:05 am

FTPB:

“najeh please dont leave >>> we know who you are >>>fk them trolls man.”

My name ain’t Hermione. I don’t have the inclination to stay and fight trolls. If they want to jack my screen name, they can have it and I’ll leave. Hopefully people are smart enough to figure out when a troll is posting.

****************

I spotted it almost right away.

You can spell and form complete sentences. That troll couldn’t. Plus, you aren’t really highly critical of Jason Collins, while the troll dissed Collins almost immediately. That wasn’t you. So I called him out on it.

Ronnie Dobbs

January 19th, 2012
7:19 am

FYI: ESPN “experts”, all 5 of them, labeled the Hawks as pretenders, yesterday. A majority labeled Portland as contenders. Aside from the 4th quarter surge, the game was never close. This team will never get it’s due until we make it into the Eastern Conference finals.

northcyde

January 19th, 2012
7:28 am

Stop the Horford bashing.

The Hawks were looking like a DOMINANT team with Al in the lineup. Don’t forget that in 2 of those losses, we were beating the hell out of Chicago before the mounted a furious comeback, and we played the most lackadasical(sp) game of the year vs a Wade and Lebron-less Heat team.

The REAL ISSUE was that Smith was playing a little too much on the outside on both ends of the floor ( which was the reason for his horrible start of the year ), and JJ not being assertive enough offensively. With Al out, both guys have corrected these two things and are playing great.

Smith is rebounding the ball as well as I’ve ever seen him do it, because he’s actually mixing it up on the inside. And JJ is doing a lot more catching and shooting when he’s open. He’s actually has a Ray Allen scoring mentality these days. A guy like him needs to shoot the ball when open, instead of always trying to take and make difficult shots.

To me, those are the two biggest reasons we haven’t lost a step with Al out. That, and the bigs we DO have, can hold their own defensively and on the boards.

PPG average is down since Horford’s departure, but the defense hasn’t slipped.

truth

January 19th, 2012
7:38 am

please at the arena were more excited to see Ben Stiller and Vince Vaughn than the Hawks..

They got more cheers than Hawk players

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

January 19th, 2012
7:39 am

As for this need for a big time C, D12 is the most dominating C in the game and we whooped his team in the playoffs with our “weapon” against him still on the roster. If we could beat a team with D12 at Center, I’m sure we could work out or arrange something to help us out in the post against other teams post players without the need of some super save-a-team, productive, starter material center. There has to be some big (PF, C, PF/C) we could sign or make a minor deal for that knows how to box out and is hungry for boards, right?

d.carter

January 19th, 2012
7:48 am

FREE VLADRAD! marvin would be so much better coming off the bench like he was a carolina, Vlad does the little things like play great helpside defense and rebounds even when his shot isnt falling, And he stretches the floor and even attacks the basket with a little more vigor than marvin. I think marvin would have a more aggressive attitude if he played with the 2nd unit because of his deferring mentality he plays timid when joe and josh are on the floor

Trojan

January 19th, 2012
7:48 am

MC; When is Hinrich coming back? What is your best guess? I predict that the Hawks wait until Hinrich comes back before getting a center so that they can cut 2 guards in order to pay for 1 more big.

Cheap.

The organization is not committed to winning but you have to give Sund credit for finding good guys without spending anything over the min.

Trojan

January 19th, 2012
7:50 am

Sheldon Williams should be cheap enough to acquire and his rebounding per minute is good.

Will

January 19th, 2012
7:56 am

I have been saying this all along, hawks have the talent and the personnel to win a champion and they could do it this year, if they play at the level they are playing at right now ” consistently” and ratchet their defense up another level. They would shock the world and I mean it would be a shocker!!!

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

January 19th, 2012
8:05 am

I mean seriously, these are decent players, but Is Hibbert, Hawes, Joel Anthony, Noah, Asik, etc, going to actually take over, dominate and run us out of a game? We put together a scheme to beat a team with D12 at C in a series! Any PF, C or PF/C that’s willing to come off the bench and play with high energy and is a decent-to-good rebounder can make a difference in crucial spots in a game (i.e. Ivan Johnson). Get another random F or C somewhere that wants to crash the glass, we’ll be aight.

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

January 19th, 2012
8:06 am

Who knows maybe Benson could have been that guy???
Stackhouse is useless

oldmike

January 19th, 2012
8:10 am

I was at my first game of the year. Many things caught my eye. Regardless of when the game starts there will be a large contingent of ticket holders arriving 30 minutes late. Don’t know what the attendance was but looked like under 10k. Why can’t more people show up? TMac is a great addition. He does so many of the little things on the court. He makes everyone better. Marvin was strong on the boards all night and made a great steal of the inbounds pass with 5 seconds left to seal the deal. JJ can drain it when he is on. JT is making a huge difference at both ends of the court. Once he loses that hesotation to shoot watch out. And, JSmooth played amonster game. He was banging with LA all night and that guy is a beast. If he and Joe can continue to focus and JT can continue to be more assertive this season will be a big plus. There is a noticable up tick in the mental resolve of this team versus any other year’s unit. Peace out.

justahawkfan

January 19th, 2012
8:10 am

I believe the reason for Josh’s dramatic weight loss is the constant knit picking of him the bloggers on this site.