Al Horford had surgery today and let’s go ahead and say he’s out for the year, regular season and playoffs.
I don’t know that for sure, of course, but out three to four months on Jan. 17 sure sounds that way. If he comes back at the end of the regular season, how long before he’s in game shape and ready to contribute? Could he really make a difference in the playoffs under those circumstances? Is it even worth it at that point for the Hawks to send out their All-Star center with four years left on his $60 million extension?
The Hawks might have been able to make a good run at the East finals with Horford. It would have been interesting to see if they could do it, at least. Without Horford, the focus has shifted to whether the Hawks still can make the playoffs without him (yes) or win a playoff round if they manage to make the postseason (unlikely).
But shouldn’t the thinking go beyond that that now for the Hawks? Isn’t looking to the future the prudent thing to do once you accept that a) Horford isn’t coming back or b) he won’t have much if an impact if he does or c) even if he does come back healthy this team has maxed out?
When you look ahead, you see that the Hawks have roughly $61 million committed to six players next season. If it stays that way, Atlanta will have no cap space and would face the possibility of adding free agents around Horford, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and Jeff Teague with the mid-level, bi-annual and minimum-salary exceptions (or a higher salary through a sign-and-trade). With about $9 million of wiggle room beneath the luxury-tax line, could the Hawks build a true contender that way?
I suppose the Hawks could try to add a big now, either a stop-gap for this season or a legit center both for this postseason and next season. The free-agent pickings are slim but once Kirk Hinrich is healthy it’s possible his expiring $8.1 million contract could be flipped for a center. That most likely would mean the Hawks would have to take on more salary next season while keeping that $9 million tax wiggle room in mind.
Larry Drew, for one, is proceeding as if Atlanta will stick with the status quo.
“That’s the approach I have to take,” he said. “I don’t want to get my hopes built up about something possibly happening and it doesn’t happen. I would rather approach it as nothing is going to happen, this is the team and we will go out and do the best we can.”
If they best the Hawks can do with this roster still leaves them out of the playoffs, that would be disappointing for them considering their high hopes this season. But it may not be the worst thing in the world considering they could have a high pick in what’s supposed to be a deep draft. That player (or the pick) could be a valuable asset down the line, either as a trade chip or a promising young (and cheap) rotation player.
It’s difficult for me to guess how Hawks management would react to things coming to an end in that way for the core. The whole point of keeping this team together was to make a “make or break” run at it this year. The Hawks made the team deeper by adding minimum-salaried veterans but now the master plan has been undermined by losing one of their key cogs to a freak injury.
That’s bad luck, but does that bad luck mean the Hawks keep the core together another year for another run? If they decide this group has run its course, anyway, do they make another run at Dwight Howard even if he still doesn’t include them on his list? If they can’t get Howard, do they trade away a core piece and start building toward acquiring a different superstar or better complementary pieces around whichever part of the core is left behind after trades?
I don’t know what they should do. You tell me, blog people.
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KevinM
January 18th, 2012
12:49 pm
Yeah, but Rev, players have a lot of leverage in this league….See CP3, D12, Carmelo, etc.
We’re talking about an all-star here and I don’t think Al comes back and continues to pound with the bigger guys inside.
I would like to think we don’t listen to our employees, but the NBA does. How do you think LD ended up where he is now?
The ASG absolutely listens to our captains. This is one reason I make Al my biggest trade chip to get a bit more size inside. I’m not touching Josh or Teague either.
Rufus1
January 18th, 2012
12:52 pm
Bogut= Marvin/ Oden
Drafted to high, inconsistant and injury prone……and he make 14mil a year to be on the bench 50% of the time.
KevinM
January 18th, 2012
12:54 pm
Sund should be calling Otis Smith every day and getting turned down until Otis relents. I’d take JRich and Orton to ease their pain.
justahawkfan
January 18th, 2012
12:58 pm
Al’s nimbers don’t pop out at you but his present on defense along josh can slow down the best ofenses. in the zone especially, they makes it hard for players to get to the basket without resistance. Think back to the Miami and chicago games with an objective eye you will see that we will probably miss Mr. Hoford when the big boys come to town. Maybe tonight!!!!
Astro Joe
January 18th, 2012
12:59 pm
The Hawks are clearly playing well when the primary discussion remains trading an injured All-Star center. Seriously, would you want the Hawks to trade for a player who will miss 80% of the season?
Rev in Tampa
January 18th, 2012
1:01 pm
“And quit the athletic crap. When Smith goes to the bench Hawks play Pachulia and move Al to the 4. That is not athletic.”
That is my point. Horford is useful when playing against other centers. Al needs to stop dreaming about the grass on the others side of the fence. He does not need to play PF.
But here is my point to you. Al Horford is more athletic (quicker, faster, more active) than just about every center in the league. What he gives up in size, he more than makes up with athletism.
I agree that the Hawks could use a true rebounding, rim-protecting center to complement, but not replace Horford, but that is a question for next year due to present circumstances.
prison nike
January 18th, 2012
1:07 pm
I disagree with just needing “a defensive minded big” with no offensive skill. If that was the case NYK would be sitting pretty with Tyson Chandler….
We need an overall ability big, a guy like Al Horford basically. One who plays sound defense, good shooter and passer, and solid rebounder. Problem is, he and his father has gone through the media for not wanting to play center. His latest injury will solidify has stance on not wanting to giving hard fouls/banging with guys on the offensive and defensive end, a prerequisite for a BIG in my book.
Not saying Horf doesn’t fight the good fight but he doesn’t embrace the toughness needed to play the 5 taking this team to the next level.
Summer Sautee
January 18th, 2012
1:17 pm
Bogut’s numbers don’t pop out at you but his presence on defense along Josh can slow down the best offenses. in the zone especially, they makes it hard for players to get to the basket without resistance.
How athletic do you need to be? Kendrick Perkins has an NBA championship because of Garnett.
Every year Smith has Hall of Fame worthy defensive numbers but people piss it away with surrounding the frontcourt with non shooters and undersized centers.
Smith could use Perkins, could use Okafor, could use Bogut, could use Dalembert. Horford gets too much credit for basically the same defensive numbers as Zaza Pachulia.
Look at his defensive rating if you don’t believe me. You talk rotations but forget all the times bigger guys went around him to get the board or lay it up over him.
Rim protection includes altering shots. And check his defensive rating. Historically Al = Zaza in this regard.
Well this year Zaza allowed 2 more points than Horford per 100 possessions.
So which is it? If Zaza’s defense is replaceable because of Smith then so is Horford. Because we all know damn well they are nowhere near the best defenders in the league at center.
Bogut draws charges for crying out loud.
And no matter what Horford,Bogut,Okafor, are 4th options that get points off of other people ccreating.
If Ivan Johnson were 6′9 he’d be the same defensively as Al with better balhandling.
Al is a byproduct of Josh on defense, not the other way around. You can find a quality center to replace Al as a 5th-4th option then do it.
And its not that hard, to find.
MattP
January 18th, 2012
1:22 pm
prison nike,
The problem with the Knicks is that Chandler is the only one with defensive abilities. You can not bring in a overpaid defensive center and think that solves everything. With the Hawks they have a pretty good defense as it is with Ivan, Joe, Josh, Teague, and the bench even helps.The Hawks just need a defensive big man to help in the paint.
Dukester
January 18th, 2012
1:23 pm
@Astro Joe thanks for clearing up the question of “why the hawks cut Keith Benson over Jason Collins?” It makes sense in the compact season needing to have veterans and not projects. But I still think Benson is a better option right now over Collins. Collins is hanging around because D12 missed shots in a playoff game because it definately didnt “D” him up like people are saying he did. I dont even know Benson but I would love to see the young man have the chance to swat 3 blocks get 10-12 rebounds a night for this team and help out Josh on the glass.
O'Brien
January 18th, 2012
1:26 pm
Sectiopn 303,
I think Marvin is a better player than Diaw. But I would trade for Diaw because Diaw’s contract is expiring, whereas Marvin would still have 2 more years left. Trading Marvin for an expiring contract would give us an additional $7.5 mil in cap space next year. With Horford injured, I would trade Marvin for any expiring contract.
Michael Cunningham
January 18th, 2012
1:26 pm
new blog posted.
Just Joe
January 18th, 2012
1:27 pm
“its not that hard to find” a quality center to replace Al. Really???
How many teams do you think are looking for a quality center? Better yet, how many teams have a quality center? This is by far the hardest position to fill in professional basketball. Can you rank the centers in the league? Maybe just give us your top 20.
Dukester
January 18th, 2012
1:27 pm
Ok folks lets please calm down with the “What has Horford done for this team?” “and we need to trade him” type comments!! I mean no every one on this board knows I like prototype centers but Iam not mad at Al Horford. He is a great piece to have in the “core” LOl Get well soon Horford we need you sir. Just not at center. LOL
KevinM
January 18th, 2012
1:27 pm
I would have kept Benson over Stack that’s for sure.
vava74
January 18th, 2012
1:47 pm
Our biggest problem at the C spot is the fact that Al and Zaza (the two C’s) do not have complementary characteristics.
Neither of the two is a shot-blocker/rim protector, neither is a forceful finisher.
Collins is a situational player and IMO a very good 3rd string C on a contender: you need a quality man to man post defender and most shot blockers / rim protectors nowadays are not good man to man.
Our ideal upgrade should be, obviously, replacing Al for a full fledged powerhouse all star C like Howard or Bynum, but that is not going to happen.
So…
The logical move would be to either replace Zaza with a shot blocking C or adding such shot-blocking C to the roster with Zaza logging more minutes at the PF slot.
Zaza is 6′11” but due to his absolute lack of lift and relatively small wingspan, he plays like he is 6′8”: he only looks and acts big but plays small.
(note: I like him)
The 2007/08 Kaman would be a perfect fit:
2007-08 LAC mpg37:12 fg%48.3 FTA3.6 FTM4.7 FT%76.2 oReb3.1 dReb9.6 RPG 12.7 ApG1.9 TO2.9 STL0.6 BLK2.8 PF3.2 PPG 15.7
But injuries have derailed him and his athleticism and conversely his blocks have gone down dramatically.
Slimjr
January 18th, 2012
2:09 pm
It may get real ugly tonight…
Hawks and Western Conference teams, usually means beat down…… Ouch!
Joe and Josh must continue to play like AllStars to have a chance tonight…Not going to be easy cause this team tonight has some real ballers..Very talented group…Man o Man….
drmaryb.[*_*].
January 18th, 2012
2:29 pm
790 The Zone!
In 2 mins about to talk about the surging Hawks! Hurr-up fellas and tune in.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 18th, 2012
3:34 pm
“its not that hard to find” a quality center to replace Al. Really???
How many teams do you think are looking for a quality center? Better yet, how many teams have a quality center? This is by far the hardest position to fill in professional basketball. Can you rank the centers in the league? Maybe just give us your top 20.
==========
it’s not hard if you trade the injured bum who fails over and over again at both positions.
LawDawg
January 18th, 2012
4:07 pm
My better idea: Cyborg Horford.
cpsman_atlanta
January 18th, 2012
4:16 pm
What should they do? Fire their owners, get some owners that care, and bring back hockey to Atlanta. Until then – BOYCOTT ATLANTA SPIRIT GROUP!!! BOYCOTT PHILIPS ARENA!!!! BOYCOTT ATLANTA HAWKS!!!
Hedley Lamarr
January 18th, 2012
4:57 pm
My choice would be to forfeit the remaining games on the schedule, since it’s a waste of everyone’s time and money anyway…
JP
January 18th, 2012
4:59 pm
Move to Canada
Heisenberg
January 18th, 2012
5:07 pm
Rasheed Wallace is working out to make a comeback. Hawks need to kick the tires on him. Outside shooting, low-post defense, and good for a T every now and then.
big trade
January 18th, 2012
9:00 pm
how bout the hawks trade Marvin, Kirk, and Joe to the Magic for Hedo and Dwight????
starting 5 of teague, green, hedo, j-smoove, and dwight. when horford comes back he can come off the bench for the either j-smoove or dwight. tmac can come in for green or teague, and vlad splits play time with hedo.
cottonBall
January 19th, 2012
4:25 am
I hear that Garret Siler was sent to the D-League by the Phoenix Suns. Maybe we could get him to come over to the Hawks as a temporary solution for another big body.
cottonBall
January 19th, 2012
4:27 am
Before anyone comments on my statement, let me just say “Do you think that if he’s not good enough for the Suns that he’s good enough for the Hawks? C’mon, man!”