Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 93, Raptors 84

Hawks play much better without Al Horford.

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Agree Najeh, I think Teague should go to the line 6+ times a game but he rarely ever gets there because the refs don’t give him any calls, he just has to keep playing and eventually I think he will get that respect.

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Following our last thread :

MattP

I dont know if thats true. He had NJ on his list and we know hes not going there. He had the lakers but that aint happening either.

In fact the 3 teams he mentioned were all major market teams and even with Howard NJ doesnt win a championship. I dont think Howard is saying he doesnt want to play for ATL.”Oh contra” If that was the case the ASG 2 month pursuit would not have made the press. ( and still does) you can best believe that when Sund and the ASG went to the Magic organization to make the offer, the Magic countered saying Al Horford needed to be part of the package. No doubt they had already asked Howard if this was a doable deal. This bargaining would not have been consider for as long as it has been, if Howard wasnt made aware… and even since it has been made public Howard hasnt said oh no way, Im not interested in Atlanta. In fact hes been very quiet about it. The only thing he has said is , “I still want out”

There is a reason that Josh and D12 have made so many related commercials, at last count there were 5 or 6. These two are very good friends and when asked who should the Magic get of available players that would make D12 stay, Josh was on a very very short list.

To put it all together. If D12 and Josh and JJ were all playing together in Atlanta this would be a major market. Secondly this is already a very good team and D12 coming would just thrust us into the championship picture, so hed get his second wish,too.

Bottom line. D12 isnt saying no to Atlanta, his home town, no, not at all.

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Steven A

January 16th, 2012
9:15 pm

Hawks play much better without Al Horford.

Co-sign. Its quite clear.

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The Portland game on Wednesday is going to be a good one. Hope the fans come out for it, but know they won’t. Shame…the crowds were good at the beginning of the season. Have tapered off a lot. Since the Miami game, really.

Those of you without a ticket for Wednesday, go get one! Have to be cheap on Stubhub or out on the street.

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are the Hawks serious about going into the playoffs with Zaza or Twin as the starting center?

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Collins and Zaza combined today: 0/1, 6 points, 4 boards, 2 dimes in 30 minutes combined.

The one positive is that they had zero turnovers, which in Zaza’s case usually doesn’t happen, but is that enough production from the center position against better teams? I doubt it.

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Teague is the key to this team…..he brings the ability to compete every night…so far, no blowouts.

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I think the hawks are looking good without Horford but cant really judge that based on the teams they played. I think they really need a defensive center that can rebound. Zaza is too slow/clumsy and inconsistent to be the starter, not saying he is a bad backup just saying he is not starter material, Collins is only good for guarding guys like Howard. Tonight we were getting out rebounded by the Raptors and they didn’t have their starting center.

Portland will be a good game to judge how the Hawks are without Horford.

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Well, the honeymoon period is over now. We are going to start seeing some winning teams in competition again. Things should get interesting now. I wasn’t surprised that the Hawks beat Charlotte, Minnesota, and Toronto in 3 straight home games. I expected that, even without Al. After all, those 3 teams have a combined record of 11-29. I think our next game should be much more telling.

We finally have a winning team coming to town in the Portland Trail Blazers. It will be nice to see how the Horford-less Hawks do against a winning team. Hopefully, these wins over losing teams are not just fools gold. Personally, I don’t expect the Hawks to beat a lot of the tougher teams without Al and Kirk, and without consistent bench play. I’d say there’s a solid chance that the Hawks can defeat Portland in a home game though. Portland’s defense should test our offense, and their front line will likely outplay ours significantly, but if the jump shots continue to fall and if we continue to get to the free throw line, I see good things coming.

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Joe Johnson owns all of you.

MVP…..MVP……MVP

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Sautee,

So you are saying it is normal to get out rebounded by the Raptors with or without him? Isn’t this suppose to be the make it or break it year?

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If Ivan Johnson were to get starters minutes, Hawks will beat the Blazers…easily the best defender
on the Atlanta Hawk Basketball team.

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“Do you mean Bargnani and his powerhouse 6.5 rebounds per game? Ivan might have broken him in half.”

Haha I was thinking the same thing. This is the first time in several years I have seen the Raptors without Bargnani, and they looked tougher and better on the interior than I have ever seen them. If I was running that team I would try to trade Bargnani for as good a scorer at SG or SF as I could find. Ed Davis is a keeper and Amir Johnson could help a lot of playoff teams. I don’t think it’s that far-fetched to say the Hawks would have won easier if Bargnani had played.

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A common theme that will be in the air about this three game winning streak is the caliber of opponent. But that’s an excuse to not be able to bash the Hawks right off after losing Horford. If the Hawks had lost one or the unthinkable 2 or 3, the haters would be in full force picking apart every aspect of the game that Al may have been involved.

Bottom line, the Hawks won the games they were supposed to win.

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T-Mac had a stiff back after the half. Does this guy ever stay healthy? I’m starting to think the first few games were an aberration.

Also, there has the be somebody in the D league better than Zaza ‘fumbles’ Pachulia and Jason ‘cheeseburger’ Collins. Why are these fool even getting a paycheck?

I agree on starting Ivan. This guy brings grit and heart on defense. We could start games with more intensity with him in the game. Marvin does better flopping on the floor than shooting baskets.

Kudos to JJ and Josh for stepping it up so far in Al’s absence, but I hold my true judgment of their play after the next few games.

LD is clueless at the flow of the game and subs people when it’s too late. I don’t know why he took so long to get Zaza out of there. I loved how he cried after being pulled, though. U mad brah

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T-Mac had a stiff back after the half. Does this guy ever stay healthy? I’m starting to think the first few games were an aberration.

Also, there has the be somebody in the D league better than Zaza ‘fumbles’ Pachulia and Jason ‘cheeseburger’ Collins. Why are these fool even getting a paycheck?

I agree on starting Ivan. This guy brings grit and heart on defense. We could start games with more intensity with him in the game. Marvin does better flopping on the floor than shooting baskets.

Kudos to JJ and Josh for stepping it up so far in Al’s absence, but I hold my true judgment of their play after the next few games.

LD is clueless at the flow of the game and subs people when it’s too late. I don’t know why he took so long to get Zaza out of there. I loved how he cried after being pulled, though. U mad, brah? He mad.

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“Tonight we were getting out rebounded by the Raptors and they didn’t have their starting center.”

It must be mentioned that the Hawks were without their starting center also.

But even still, though the rebounding could have definitely been better, it didn’t hurt the Hawks too much in this game and isn’t indicative of the overall rebounding of the team without Al. Against the Timberwolves and the leagues second leading rebounder, the Hawks won the rebounding battle 51 – 40.

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Unintended Irony “Oh Contra” is a popular euphorism in Reaganomics. Are you not familiar? lol

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Hasn’t been mentioned yet, but Joe played one of his best games of the season. 27 points, efficient shooting, stuffed the stat sheet, and played good D on DeRozan. (At least I think it was DeRozan — with the Hawks refusing to fix their scoreboards it’s impossible to know who is on the floor for the other team unless I know their numbers already.)

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By the way, I found an encouraging stat about the Hawks this season. So far, we have not lost to a sub-.500 team this season other than Houston and by the end of the season, I don’t expect Houston to be a sub.-.500 team. At least we are finally starting to consistently beat the teams that we are supposed to beat. Feasting on lottery teams will only get you so far though, at some point, we need to start consistently beating he upper-echelon teams too.

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“Tonight we were getting out rebounded by the Raptors and they didn’t have their starting center.”

It must be mentioned that the Hawks were without their starting center also.

But even still, though the rebounding could have definitely been better, it didn’t hurt the Hawks too much in this game and isn’t indicative of the overall rebounding of the team without Al. Against the Timberwolves and the leagues second leading rebounder, the Hawks won the rebounding battle 51 – 40.
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Then how did we get outrebounded. You mean we were “Out-physicaled” ie Gasol, guys were getting boards on account of length?

Asking cuz I missed the game.

And I have a feeling POR is gonna curb stomp ATL. Based on matchups size etc.

Not to worry because they are West Conf and have no bearing on us emerging from the Eastern Conference Finals.

Sure the win is for the best record and a loss is never acceptable but I don’t want overreaction trades (unless trades are to improve records).

I am more interested in how we match up with Philly. And if we can get another european Vlad type (young consistent starter material) SF/PF to replace Marvin. I am not asking for a Al Harrington type beer belly tweener.

A conditioned 6′10 Vlad type. Size and affects defense.

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Section 303,

Yeah those are cheap tickets. My brother live in Atl and will be going to a few games since the tickets are cheap. Section 303 let me ask you why the lack of attendance at the hawks games?Cant be because the Miami loss the other day. I cant figure it out. If your a fan your a fan. Even after bad losses against teams you get over it but if you can afford it and the tickets seem reasonable right now why would you not go?

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“The Wednesday game against Portland is on national TV. Uh oh…”

At least Barkley won’t be calling it. LOL. Since it’s on ESPN, we might get the notorious Hawk-hater Jon Barry for that one.

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‘a popular euphorism….’

‘o I accidentally combined aphorism and euphemism. ‘

Gee, thank goodness you werent trying to be sarcastic

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“he just has to keep playing and eventually I think he will get that respect.”

I think LD has to step up and get a couple of technicals on Teague’s behalf too.

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If that anit enough for you to hate try this B tch

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Josh haters…crickets

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this is for all the Hoes in the house

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/10/04/adidas.commercial.if.josh.smith.was.poetry

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This for all the players in D house…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2J3fKXA1qWA

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303 stone hands zaza will never catch up to to anyone’s passes I. Time for Ivan to start and finish.

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Good win today. Great games by Josh, JJ and Teague. Love the way Smoove is playing right now.

And SMH for those of you that want our All-Star center gone. Because clearly beating the Raps, Nets and Bobcats without him shows how much we don’t need him. There isn’t a “real center” available that’d do this team a lick of good. We beat the Bulls and Heat with Al. Clearly he ain’t an issue. If D12 becomes available to us, talk to me. Otherwise, get outta here with that crap.

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Nothing is structurally wrong with Tracy’s back so the problem must be in how he’s stretching perhaps ?

Maybe he should think about doing some Yoga…Its what has kept Garnett going strong all these yrs and even Lebron hs started getting into the act.

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“DO YOU LISTEN TO MUSIC OR DO YOU SKIM THRU IT”. A Jay-Z line I dig that reminds me alot of you guys. I said that for all of you fairies who are just on Chicago nutz, saying things that are proposperous like we can’t beat Chicago without a center. What games are you watching? We don’t need a center to beat them or Miami we should be four and zero against those guys & should a blown out Chicago out twice. Now Oklahoma, Lakers,Memphis, Spurs,&Indiana that’s a different story. I’m all for a big athletic shotblocking force like the next man but some of yout guys just be throwing out nonexistent possibilities making a arse out yourself

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KevinM – Agreed – With Teague on the floor, we rarely get blown out, especially like last season. You’d think we gotta rest Teague – another 40+ minute nite. He’s becoming like Monta Ellis.

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and i absolutely luv the way smoove has yall eating crow stew,now if jt would become more aggresive and we could get rid of marv id love it,bring me mcgee from washington

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Ps keep sloan dude has true pg instincts and direction. He’ll get guys in position

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Smith.Leuer.Bogut LMFAO!!

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Hawks fans bash Smith when he’s clearly outmatched and has a redundant guy in Horford. but then praise him when he gets on a good roll smashing vs low grade teams and people are worried about his extension.

Hypocrites and idiots. As a cynical Walt Frazier would say.

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(gran ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSoCSLi_WZs&feature=fvwrel (dad)

sit back and enjoy a nice cold glass of hateraid. on me

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“I hope we don’t do that Josh + Teague for Gasol trade being talked about in the blogosphere. Hope it’s just a rumor. ”

I don’t think it even deserves “rumor” status. More like “Laker fan pipe dream”.

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For those who think that I do not like Joe;
that is false.
If Joe were paired with a SuperDuper[1] *(Gary Payton)
- and a -
SuperDuper[5] *(Hakeem Olajuwon)
he would be a terrific 3rd Muscateer.

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That Teague/Josh for Gasol rumor started on isportweb?, then repeated on Yardbarker. Who knows where it came from.

What a ghastly trade, but exactly the type trade the Hawks have made in the past. That’s the reason I don’t dismiss it out of hand.

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Najeh

“I hope we don’t do that Josh + Teague
for Gasol trade
being talked about in the blogosphere.
Hope it’s just a rumor. ”

I just tried trade checker on RealGM;
Gasol trade only works with; (Smith + Marv) or (Smith + Hinrich)
Gasol trade will not work with Smith + Teague

(did not check Smith + Zaza)

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I’m with 303. Y’all get your seat-warmers down to the Highlight Factory Wednesday and make some noise!!

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Josh, joe, teague,ivan, and howard. I would love to watch it. Bring howard home to atlanta.

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I agree with everyone who believes these 3 Ws are no proof we play better w/o horford. If anyting everybody who thought we wouldn’t make playoffs sans horford should be eating there words. Does anyone get the feeling though that POR game has letdown written all over it? Blowout loss potential against jamal.

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Umm, the rumor came from here, “That Teague/Josh for Gasol rumor started on isportweb?, then repeated on Yardbarker. Who knows where it came from. ” Before isportweb, who knows

Posted earlier up page 2

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Guys, just know, we tried to trade Josh hard evidently, especially for Enes Kanter on draft day. MC has been reporting on this throughout the months, and even Josh’s reactions. It’s no secret. So if Josh has let ASG (I always want to call them Prince, the group formerly known as ASG) he’s probably not signing without a max offer or something, and ASG is not going to give Josh that offer, trust me, ASG will ditch Josh for something rather than nothing.

And if we want vets, smart players who don’t take so many ill advised shots (you know the LD routine) blah blah blah, I don’t put a trade like this past the Hawks.

Maybe ASG feels like they’ve “Odum’ed” Josh, and the Lakers feel like they’ve “Odum’ed” Gasol, and think after aggressive failed trade(s), it’s time to move these players.

Or it could be some dude stirring up trouble with no basis of reality. I do not know this Brezenski guy who wrote the article, and don’t care enough to waste any more precious seconds of my life to find out about him. At least no right now.

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We are 3-0 without Horford playing. Horford’s impact is minimal because despite his talent he is an undersized center and is minimal impact but Leuer and Bogut not looking so bad now.

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I mean we lose by 10 to Portland tomorrow and coast to the playoffs would you rather have Bogut and a 7 foot shooter in Leuer or Horford come playoffs.

Should have done the 2 for 1. My hope is the Bucks give up on the season have a bad record and tank and give us Leuer + Bogut. They get to tank for a high pick, get Horford, and for a high pick and maybe a 2nd rounder from us as well.

What say you Hawks fans?

Teague, Joe Johnson, Josh, Leuer, Bogut
McGrady, Hinrich, Willie Green, Vlad, Marvin, Ivan, Pachulia

Leuer and Bogut or just Horford right now whod you all take?

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“James-Josh-D12 beats any team, because on defense its a nightmare.”

and Dwight Howard is from ATL.

Even if that was equal value for Lebron…Do you think Pat Riley does not know that trade opens up a follow up move from ATL?

Riley is not going to play KingMaker to ATL.

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Smith, that trade would make the Heat even MORE of a favorite, because their line up is balanced even more, and their depth would be crazy.
Teague-Wade-Joe-Bosh-Horford.

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SteveW -&- Smith.Leuer.Bogut

Thanks ! -&- Thanks !

Smith + filler is one thing
Smith + Teaguer is a whole ”nuther” thang altogether.

LAL; Steve Blake, out 2 – 3 wks inj. ? (Hinrich healthy ? perhaps)

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“like Al very much but Bogut fits like the glove OJ used to murder Nicole and Ron that night… Sorry very tasteless of me but I would love Bogut with this lineup.”

Well not without Leuer. they suddenly acquire too many assets. Leuer could be a pf of the future. And they give more touches to develop Jennings and Harris through the fire. Very young core.

And then they could trade Horford for someone else AND WORST OF ALL they get a high pick to reload even more.

Milwaukee is scared that they will end up like us. Not good enough to win it all not bad enough to get better thru the draft.

They get all that they cannot keep Leuer. And we cannot take back bad contracts. The positives and alternatives for Milwaukee is too much compared to what ATL gets.

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^from the MIL blog. You cant trade Horford and only get back Bogut it helps MIL to much.

You got to go 2 for 1 (Leuer to become a similar pick and pop version of Horford more range) and Bogut, to make it even remotely close to being mutually beneficial

Like I said they get a pick+ can flip Horford and pick for top picks + youth get more development and Bucks core gets younger (Jennings and Harris)

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” It’s a straight up swap for an injured Al for injury prone Bogut.”

Just when I thought there wasn’t enough Al-for-Bogut talk around here.

Seriously, it is not a bad trade for either team if injuries are not a factor. But injuries are a factor, and I’d rather have the guy (Al) who has only suffered one major injury in his career and has otherwise been very durable for a big man, over the guy (Bogut) who seems to be banged up every season.

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Stop it with Lueur. He is a hometown kid ala Josh that the Bucks have cheap for the next 5-7 years. They have no reason to involve him for anything.

Horford being injured is the caveat for making the deal in the first place. He’s as close to Dwight as Atlanta will get considering the Clippers are apparently setting the bar for Supaman trade scenarios.

Teague – Hinrich
Joe – T-Mac
Marvin – Rad
Josh – Ivan
Bogut – Zaza

If we can flip Marvin for even a marginally better 3 then sky is the limit.

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Another thing about Al for Bogut: Al may not be a “true center” or as polished an offensive player as Bogut, but this is a second round team with Al. Is this any better than a second round team with Bogut instead? Would a Teague-Joe-Josh-Bogut core be any more likely to beat the Bulls or the Heat than Teague-Joe-Josh-Al? I’m not convinced.

If the Hawks make a trade involving piece(s) of the core, it should involve a superstar that clearly elevates this team’s ceiling. Bogut is nice but he ain’t no superstar.

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And what the hell is it with Howard wanting to join the Clippers now too!? Seriously?

F*ck him. I hope the Bulls or Thunder win the Championship this season. Or our HAWKS!

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I know the deal may not happen. But if the Heat don’t win a championship this season, Lebron will be secretly made available.

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EmirS he is probably an ATL Hawks fan. He doesn’t want a team without a superstar. Zing?
CP3 + Blake + Dwight = 2 stars.

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Is this any better than a second round team with Bogut instead? Would a Teague-Joe-Josh-Bogut core be any more likely to beat the Bulls or the Heat than Teague-Joe-Josh-Al? I’m not convinced.

Seriously depends on if you start Marvin.

Jon Leuer is looking like a mini-Horford right now. His defense is surprisingly good despite wingspan, good IQ, good jumper, yet at 7′0 he can hit the jumper off the dribble too.

Now with the losing record Does MIL value him that highly? Do they see him as a non negotiable impact player/core piece?

I doubt it with the way the season is going they might not see it. They only look at wins and losses and ignore advance stats.

Offense & Defense Rating
118 103 16.2%
118 105 17.9%

One is Horford one is Leuer. SMDH. A smart undersized basketball player is still undersized.

Overrated.

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Ra’mon
“Charles Barkley just changed his statement!! He just said that “As I said a couple of weeks ago, the Hawks are only going to go as far as Josh Smith carries them!” The other week he said Joe Johnson, lol.

And Kenny chimed in that Josh is the only Hawks player with UPSIDE.”

What? Source?

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What happen to that rookie Keith Benson? They should have kept him.

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Look at dallas, struggling to control paint without chandler, boston have weak interior without perkins.
You have got to have a quality bigman.

D12 only got 8pts against chandler yesterday.

And quality bigman does not include bogut, too injury prone, not physical enough, inadequate defense

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This was strictly a cruise control win, so everyone should stop worrying like fools.

You could see that the Hawks would have no difficulty holding off the Raptors’ runs and simply were simply going through the motions. As a fan you can object but with this condensed schedule, they went scrimmage mode.

As for the “Al”, “no Al” debate, this is a complete nonsense.

I am very critical of Al’s decaying spunk (which seemed to improve a bit this season since he realised that he is no longer getting as many open looks as last year and was going to the block with a bit more decision) but we are clearly a better team WITH AL.

Nonetheless, that does not mean that we cannot get by without him and I think that Sund does not need to overreact.

Let’s wait for the recovery prognosis following today’s surgery to know where we are for the playoffs (by the way, I have absolutely no doubt that we will be in playoffs and under no circumstance lower than the #6 seed).

CHI, MIA, ORL, PHI and IND are the only teams able to finish with a better record than us.

BOS are washed up and have no bench.
NYK are fools’ gold and their only hope is to fire D’Antoni TODAY.
The rest are sub-sub-sub-par with no chance of worrying us.

The key for our season will be Teague and Josh’s consistency.

The Minny game showed that a couple of bad calls from the refs still completely derail Josh.

His shot was not falling but his 1st quarter was ALL HUSTLE and then he went into a funk due to several horrible calls.

I am worried that against better opposition we will continue to be diced by the refs and Josh will not gather himself and continue to disappoint (usually on national TV).

Hence, this game against POR will be a good test since:

a) Aldridge is balling and is a bad match up for Josh;
b) Wallace poses HORRIBLE match up problems (V-Rad can’t defend him and Marvin… well, looks Marvin again);
c) The mummys (Thomas and Camby – which hopefully may remain inactive) are manning the middle by committee well on rebounding, with a good combo of length (which we lack) and girth/toughness (which we have but may not be enough since Ivan is undersized);
d) Batum is on fire and we have a lot of problems when a good 6-man comes in (see games in the past in which Maggette, Nate, … destroyed us);
e) Jamal may be motivated against us (although he is shooting like crap right now).
f) Felton is always a tricky match up for us as well.

If we don’t bring our defensive A game, we will be in major trouble from tip off. Sincerely, I am seeing a remake of the HOU game: we start slow and play catch up without being able to recover from the deficit.

Another factor is Teague finishing at the rim. If Camby does not play, we should be a bit better, but Teague is still finding his comfort zone at the glass and we need him to keep Felton in check and deep into his paint with his penetration.

My prediction: POR by 8

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Najeh,

At least I think it was DeRozan — with the Hawks refusing to fix their scoreboards it’s impossible to know who is on the floor for the other team unless I know their numbers already.

The ASG believe fixing the scoreboard will put them in luxury tax territory.

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As for the game, its good to beat the teams you’re supposed to. Joe, Josh and Teague did what they need to do.

It will be interesting to see how they perform against good teams.

If Josh keeps up these numbers, and Hawks keep winning, he will get some all star consideration (although he probably wont make it).

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Mark Stein’s power ranking:

“ATL, rank 12th (last week, 6th): a shame it happened so soon after those big wins over Miami and Chicago, but there’s no getting around it: Atlanta just lost the guy on the roster closest to irreplaceable, because Al Horford ranks not only as its best big man but also its smartest player”.

Who I may be close to reality: the press, coaches, and players that recognize Horford’s value or some bloggers here who said otherwise?

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Really we are 3-1 without Horford. He only played 5 minutes in Indy.

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You know, very dissapointed in tmacs soft mindset. Just play through it. It’s not like hed is a superstar, he gets worse then bench him.

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Tmac=soft cry baby. justy retier you has been

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with al out there are fewer people to defer to or “trust” so it takes that pressure off and it works against poor teams. with al out there are fewer options especially when both jj and josh throw bricks and refuse to take it inside. we will suffer with al gone to some degree as we struggled against two pretty worthless teams, but i add we have done that with al in there when josh and jj do the same thing. though al may be a stabilizer, josh is still the straw for this team and jj along for the ride. if josh behaves and survives physically and mentally, then we do all right, a bit above .500.

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Tmac shouldnt see another minute on the floor as a hawk. Dude is a washed up soft has been

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Tmac is finished. Time to retier his soft butt

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Might as well waive the soft haS been and sign Arenas. Atleast he plays through pain

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I’m sorry to put kobe and tpain in the same sentence.

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One trade thought on McGrady. Dallas will need to dump one of Marion or Haywood (amnesty the other), and possibly move Roddy Beaubois & Dominique Jones as well, in order to make their run at free agents Deron Williams & Dwight Howard this summer.

I would send McGrady & a 2nd round pick (no cap hold) for Roddy B. Beaubois’s stock is down, and the Deron Williams signing looks likely. They have Jason Kidd & Jason Terry to handle the point this year. Beaubois is a Jeff Teague-clone. A year ago, Beaubois would have been considered the better prospect.

I would also consider a straight-up trade for Dominique Jones as well. Hawks were high on him coming out of college. He had better measureables than John Wall. Combo guard that defends & attacks the basket. That’s not a role that we desperately need right now, but if McGrady stays “iffy” then it might not be a bad move for the future. He hasn’t shown the ability to shoot well enough for that Dallas team.

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And are the Sixers this good? Indy? Cleveland???

The Celtics may be done, but I don’t trust them

And Chandler shut Dwight down as good as anybody. Anderson killed NY though. And that was with J Richardson out.

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It looks like Horford’s injury, and our 3gm winning streak, has given HORFOR HATERS another excuse to display their shameless ignorance and/or stupidity. We’ve managed to win without him because we have a solid bench that has so far been able to take up the slack. The question remains, is their inability to comprehend these facts a result of their IGNORANCE, STUPIDITY, or BOTH? In previous seasons we only had Zaza, and OFF only players like Flip Murray or JCrawford, to produce off our bench. We’ve definitely had nothing equaling the all around play of WGreen, VRad, TMac, Pargo, and IJohnson, especially when it comes to rebounding, versatility, depth, and especially DEF.

Judging from their responses, it looks like the majority of Buck fans would jump at the chance to take Horford and get rid of Bogut, straight up. They realize something that our HORFORD HATING and BOGUT LOVING Hawk fans are too blinded by their self serving agendas to realize. And that’s the fact that Bogut is a total waste when he’s sitting on the bench in a suit and tie nursing a hang nail, which he does far too often.

Do any of you BOGUT LOVERS remember when the Bucks took us to 7gms, without Bogut, in that playoff series against us? Did that mean they were a much better team without him? When you consider how well the team played, with KThomas at center instead Bogut, would you say that meant he was a better center than Bogut? Stop being a bunch of ABSOLUTE DUMBA$$ES and start dealing with reality for a change. Try it, if you can, you might learn to like it. If not, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.

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I’m an Al Horford fan, and my only criticism of him is that I thought he could have done more in his postseason matchups, but if I could do a straight-up Horford for Bogut trade right now, I’d do it. Size matters!!!

I still believe that Milwaukee turns down that trade though, with a healthy Horford or not.

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All of this TMac hate. I thought he was a game away from being our team leader?

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@SteveW

“You know, we can sit here and convince ourselves of trades etc. but the fact is Milwaukee may not trade Bogut. So complaining about Sund, or basking in the virtues of the supposed trade is really pointless. Sund may have called already and been rejected, and we may never know.

And Leuer was only averaging 7 and 4 last I checked. In what 11 or 12 games? Let’s see where he’s at after 50 games. He may be awesome, he may not, we’ll see.”

How garbage does Leuer have to be to be make (Bogut and Leuer) worse than Horford?

He’d have to be some sort of giant axe-wound prima donna. Come on.

Boggles the mind.

We should wait until Leuer and Bogut is ~absolutely~completely~ out of our reach?

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Don’t have a lot of love for Al since his wish to go to PF, but its not my body that is taking the pounding. But I sure would have to consider moving him if he isn’t satisfied with his role where he fits best on this team.
As for Bogut, every time his name is mentioned, Marvin always comes to mind…..so looking back, the PGs in that draft came out as the best of the crop….similar to ‘09. Being honest, I don’t see anything in Milwaukee that makes me think there is value in any of their players. I don’t think any Milwaukee player makes our team any better (well, maybe the rookie Harris). Bogut is fool’s gold IMO. He is too high on the salary list, like Marvin is. And I would never do Al for Bogut.

I’m not an Al lover or hater; I just want us to be more formidable in the playoffs, and Al doesn’t take us to that level. I would think we could find someone defensively who would contribute more against the Bulls, Heat and Orlando. Give me a vocal type player like a Tyson Chandler to put this team in competing mode.

IMO, the more we do without Al, the more Josh is favored here over Al if it comes to needing to move one of them.

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I’m not an Al lover or hater; I just want us to be more formidable in the playoffs, and Al doesn’t take us to that level. I would think we could find someone defensively who would contribute more against the Bulls, Heat and Orlando. Give me a vocal type player like a Tyson Chandler to put this team in competing mode.

What?
Bogut vs Joakim “the 7′0 PF without a jumper” Noah (both play around 32 mpg, perfect matchup)
Bogut vs Dwight or Jason Collins vs Dwight?
Bogut vs Joel Anthony ?

Hello?

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and I found the T-Mac from leader to vagabond very typical.

Barkley trdacted

Kenny Smith said he got upside. Barkley Hall of Famer said he got scary talent…He could get better

“We know what Joe JOhnson is… “we kind of knew what Horford was before he went down…” Shake my head. How do you peak at 25 years old?

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With Al, I think the Hawk’s ceiling is a second round loss. Without Al, I think our ceiling is a first round loss.

I saw Najeh post the stats this morning. To expand on it, this is what the Hawks main centers have done in 3 games since Al went down (ZaZa and Twin combined).

1) Charlotte; 35 mins, 10 points, 10 rebs (W)
2) Minny; 34 mins, 8 points, 8 rebs (W)
3) Toronto; 31 mins, 6 points, 4 rebs (W)

This will not be enough against good teams.

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‘does absolutely nothing is what I meant’….

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It’s time to get Rasheed Wallace back to the ATL. Another big with length and experience. His interior defense and low post moves may be a key during the tough month of Feb. I know his basketball shape might be the issue, but we won’t need him to be a 25 minute man. If he buys into the system and has the same positive pro attitude he had when he last worn the Hawks uniform, it fills a current need without going above the tax level ( we will need to cut one or two of our end of the bench players). Not a big gamble if he’s not asking for to much, we still have all our other bigs. Could be another low cost vet that brings more toughness to the Hawks, especially the starting five. With Ivan,TMac and the “we come to work bench”, the Hawks could be the dangerous team no one wants to face come playoffs.

BRING RASHEED BACK FOR THIS SHORT SEASON AND PLAYOFF RUN!!!

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KevinM Bogut is supposed to carry the offense and defense in Milwaukee. Now would his role be any different here?

We can beat a good deal of teams without a center but come certain playoff teams you want Bogut on your team.

Horford not even playing center come playoffs. We routinely have to change lineups. I have to think that starting Bogut is better than starting Jason Collins.

In here we would shoot shots and Bogut would rarely to never get plays run for him.

His job would be to get 10 points off of offensive boards and junkyard dog buckets. Look at his 22% usage. 22% of offense goes thru him. I’m not saying he’s that good it just shows MIL has no other options and thats why he should be available. He’s overburdened.

He is not that good to shoot so many shots of an offense and overburdened in MIL.

Go from 22% offense to what 16%. Less touches and how many of thatusage would now come from offensive boards?

His offensive rating goes up with less shots. And his defense rating is still elite anchoring MIL at 99. Josh Smith is our anchor at 94 defensive rating.

If we combined those 2 leaders…

We want Bogut for defense and offensive boards. Those “plus” plays. Iso Bogut is not what we’re looking for. Not even Iso Leuer. Everything off of movement screen and rolls and eating the offensive glass.

Can you imagine if Iso Horford carried 22% of an offense? That team would suck too.

Bogut’s #s are down but that should only work in our favor. As long as he is one iota better than Pachulia and then Leuer can stretch the floor I would take them over Al anyday.

Bogut followed up by Pachulia? — No center would ever want to come here again. Then we can go small with Leuer at center. Ala what we had with Horford

As long as Bogut keeps failing to be a superstar for MIL, then MIL should become jaded to keeping him. And we can nab him. We dont need a superstar. Just an anchor and junkyard dog.

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Oops, “… needs to rescind his retirement…”

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We dont need anymore washed up players get us mcgee

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That is to say. I like Pachulia and Bogut grinding inside as opposed to Horford shooting jumpers and expect when his jumper is gone he’ll be either trying to grind inside and getting hurt or doing nothing.

I mean what do you guys expect from Horford if he comes back? That’s iceskating uphill. He’ll be soft as ever, as small as ever.

If Milwaukee is looking like they should trade I’m getting PF Leuer and Bogut in a hot second.

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Was LD the only person who thought we had to start Collins to match up with Toronto?
Collins truthfully is 6 fouls worth; that’s about it.

We can’t find someone more worthy that perhaps, also give us 5 boards in 13-20 minutes? Sounds like I’m asking for Marvin type numbers huh?

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KevinM,

Quit dicing Collins.

Collins is useful on selected match up situations in ways that guys who look better (on average) never really are.

Look at the work he put on Kevin Love with Ivan. Love was getting everything he wanted and when Collins came in the fountain dried up.

Yes, he does not look good but you seem to easily forget (or completely miss) the contributions that do not catch the eye.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20120114&game=MINATL

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AJ – Injuries (Like to TMac) will do that to you. But I understand your point. I disagree with your point, but I do understand it.

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SLB – Maybe you can type out your ultimate talking points on the Bogut/Leuer for Al trade. Why Bogut is not going to retire because of migraines that they haven’t been able to cure, why his elbow is 100%, why he’s an off season workout warrior getting better every season (not), why his contract is good, why Leuer will not become Landry Fields and realize it’s a long season against very skilled people and begin to wear down, why Bogut is available after you have seen on a legitimate website that he is being shopped, why Leuer is available when he’s cheap etc. You get the picture.

Then just repost this ultimate talking point memo every day or so, for bloggers who are only occasional here, so you can convince them.

And get on with life. Or other observations. You seem halfway intelligent. But the record has a scratch in it. It’s repeating itself. Move the needle. Please.

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Fill the lower bowl tomorrow night and give the impression?
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Hey owners do this, tell everyone to move up to the front before ESPN turns on their camera’s like they do at church! LOL!

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Astro Joe and Hitman Jamillion, It looks like Rasheed is rescinding his retirement and may be more skilled then all other available FA Vets, as several NBA GM’s agreed.

Read this Yahoo article:
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports Jan 12, 10:52 pm EST
Wallace, who retired after 15 seasons in 2010, has been working out and probing some close league friends about possible destinations to sign for the rest of the season, sources said.
At 6-foot-11, Wallace, 37, had been one of the most versatile and talented power forwards of his era. One league source who has talked with Wallace recently describes him as “serious” about a return to the NBA this season. Nevertheless, no teams contacted by Yahoo! Sports reported that they had any contact with Wallace, or his representative.

“In a limited role, several GMs told Yahoo! they still believe his scoring and defending ability would probably be better than anyone else available to them.” Teams like Atlanta and Golden State just lost bigs for the next few months, and Wallace could potentially step right in and contribute.

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Ultimate Memo:
7 foot small forward – Leuer. Benches Marvin. Helps defense.

7 foot 1 center – Bogut. Does not bit~h about position. Owns the position. Junkyard dog.

Just like the Celtics we just want our junkyard dogs healthy come playoffs. Because when the playoffs come you’re going to be in a fuccing dog fight.

AND I forgot Ivan Johnson.

Teague.Johnson.Leuer.Smith.Bogut
McGrady.Green.Williams.Radmanovic.Pachulia

inj/reserves: Pargo, Hinrich, Ivan Johnson.

Or we can go ultra big bench with McGrady,Marvin,Radmanovic,Ivan,Pachulia

Who in their right mind you take out 2 starters out in Leuer and Bogut for Horford, thus moving a bench player into the rotation?

Take out Bogut and Leuer for Horford and ??? start Marvin? Radmanovic?

This makes our defense deadly and our bench deadly. They are more physical and play with heart to match.

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“vava74

January 17th, 2012
12:08 pm
KevinM,

Quit dicing Collins”

Obviously, I need a verb lesson here……..but in that time ’stint’, I give the credit to Ivan more than Collins….Collins can’t keep up with many players, especially Love.

What I asked is what did Toronto have that Collins needed to start? Shoot, I don’t see anything that warrants Collins being a starter…if it works for you, no prob. I see Ivan as a much bigger contributor than he and Zaza combined, but Ivan does lose in fouls huh?
Hey, LD and Sund are the only guys keeping Collins employed…I’m convinced of it.

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Cuisinart!

“KevinM,

Quit dicing Collins.” -vava74-
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Dice, Chop and Slice … Better go get a food processor. LOL
After all, last year Twin lost 25 lbs, this year he added muscles. Any news of working on basketball skills? Perhaps some pilates to add some “spring”?

Then Jason would be “sprung”. Ladies?
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My Falcons got some “werk” to do. Start with waiving all that dead weight on the lines, then look at them corners and work your way back into the secondary. Start with DeCoud.

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Marvin is playing like he’s worth about 500k!

Sund is getting his azz handed to him on that one…….

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Collins > Speights or Mullens huh? Yikes, my ‘dicing’ is over now.

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Has anybody posted this news about Mutombo being involved in selling gold illegally?

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=232653

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Screw the UN! Its owned by one family that wants to rule the whole planet and its resources.. Everybody else eat leaves….

Mutombo is the man! one the best rim protectors of ALL TIMES!

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NFL Coaching Ranks:

“It’s not what you know. It’s who you know” Dan Reeves

Expect the same results people!

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Wow, Mutombo selling gold, I need to see the proof… but Stern did say “I know where the bodies are buried” iirc.

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TMONEY, fair enough. He probably won’t submit his papers until he has a handshake agreeemnt and he probably won’t get a handshake agreement until a GM knows for sure that he can play 20 minutes a game in consecutive games (due to the compressed schedule). If he isn’t fit and ready for the rigors of this specific season, then he may not be worth the roster spot. Dude wasn’t exactly known for his work ethic pre-retirement.

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Slim, I hope the ‘Highlight Factory’ has more life in it than last night……that was NBDL quiet.

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Very tough game tomorrow night, because of the matchups. We don’t have any really favorable match-ups on offensive and several guys to worry about on defensive. It might be prudent to go zone often to cut down on the penetration from Wallace and Matthews, but that opens up rebound lanes for Camby. Hopefully our bench brings it, because that might be our only advantage. (even though they have Crawford) Josh and Marvin are going to have their hands full with Aldridge and Wallace, so Joe better bring his J with him. We’re going to need his scoring!

GO HAWKS!!

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I know this miss may sound crazy but does anyone think maybe its not a good idea to trade for D12 i mean we have to half our team away the core is doing doing pretty well right now .

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According to Rick Bonnell of the Charlotte of Observer, the versatile Boris Diaw has been put on the chopping block by the Charlotte Bobcats.

The Bobcats are unwilling to take on a bad contract in return, and they may not have to, given Diaw’s contract is up at the end of this season. It doesn’t hurt they he can play all five positions either.

The Phoenix Suns could come into play for the 29-year-old, as may the Atlanta Hawks in their search to add some size to fill the void left by Al Horford.

Diaw’s conditioning is of major concern, but he is unselfish and runs the threat of exploding on the offensive end at any time.

He is an efficient long range shooter, but can also put up some points fro the inside. Given Charlotte’s current direction, Diaw’s greatest contribution will come from being moved elsewhere.

Prediction: The Bobcats move Diaw; potential destinations include Phoenix Suns and Atlanta Hawks.

Deron Williams of New Jersey Nets
Christian Petersen/Getty Images According to Marc Stein of ESPN, the New Jersey Nets are prepared to shop Deron Williams should Dwight Howard land with the Los Angeles Lakers before the deadline.

Williams’ status should be a major concern for the team, but New Jersey should take solace in knowing that while the Lakers remain a potential trade destination for Howard, the likelihood of him landing there is thinning by the day.

Andrew Bynum’s emergence has put Los Angeles in the driver’s seat with regard to Howard. They are no longer desperate or obligated to give up both the 24-year-old center and Pau Gasol.

Even though Bynum is arguably the most dominant big man the Orlando Magic will get in return for Howard, they are likely to want more, which the Lakers don’t have, nor are they willing to give up.

The Nets are more likely to get burned by Williams over the summer than they are to move him before the deadline.

Prediction: Nets hold on to Williams.

Dwight Howard of Orlando Magic
Brett Deering/Getty Images Dwight Howard has a list of preferred destinations, one that he has expanded to include the Los Angeles Clippers and has already requested a trade to the New Jersey Nets. All signs point to him leaving the Orlando Magic, the only question is when.

The Magic can hold out hope that Howard re-signs with the team this summer, but the risk is not worth taking. As impressive as Orlando as been, this core is not championship material, and the organization is restricted in what it can do to reach such a level.

Should the Magic allow free agency to decide Howard’s fate, there is a possibility he decides to sign with a team like the Dallas Mavericks even though Orlando can offer him more.

In such a scenario, the Magic would feel obligated to engage in a sign-and-trade so they don’t walk away empty handed. At that point though, any team’s offer won’t include any substantial assets as the center would have already shown a willingness to ink a deal.

If Orlando wants to maximize the return they get on Howard’s inevitable departure, he will be shipped out by the deadline.

Prediction: Magic deal Howard; potential destinations include Los Angeles Lakers, Golden State Warriors and New Jersey Nets.

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Kevin, to ask that question, you MUST be a two-week long fan of this team.

When has Boris Diaw “exploded on the offensive end”? The Hawks need another mildly interested player like they need another below average halftime act.

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Yep, AJ, two weeks is about how long this team has shown more urgency than at any other time……seriously, I like this team more than I have in a long time, and LD deserves credit for putting combinations together that have worked…he has shown not to be so stubborn and set in his ways.

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^^…you don’t WANT the Hawks…

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Marvin, airball. I got the 1st quarter.

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Would do a trade for Diaw if it involved us also trading Al and getting their first round pick.

Marvin + Al for Diaw(expiring) + Thomas + 2012 1st rounder.

Get a chance to get a high value pick Drummond/Davis/MKG/Robinson we probably would have to trade our 1st rounder to them but could make it 2013. I would say Joe is involved but you can’t trade him not because his contract is too big, but because the amnesty is a blessing in disguise anytime he underperforms just snipe that bad contract out and clear up massive space to sign some people and laugh at ASG for still having to pay him for their idiotic mistakes.

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Hey Josh did the same thing 2 times in a row. This time he noticed someone in the place he was gonna roll and told the guy to clear out cuz he knew the guys effing up spacing.

He must read the ajc Comments section. 1st option in semi transition semi halfcourt is JJ and Josh PnR Clear out 1 side.

lets go. I am going to post Smiths touches after Marv’s (yuck).

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S.L.B do you have a youtube account named PointGuardSlim? Just wondering…

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S.L.B do you have a youtube account named PointGuardSlim? Just wondering…

yeah why? You think it was some other Hawks fan that goes thru hours of Hawks games (good and bad) and I’m just another Hawks fan who just HAPPENs to find them and post them for everyone to see?

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“What do you come up with? Redundancy.”

Geez, it’s like shooting fish in a barrel. Once again (and again, and again,and…) if any poster on this blog knows about redundancy it would be you.

Again. Geez.

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Joe Johnson with a .168 Win Share %. Career best defensive rating so far. but wow. WTF? Must be the low turnover % and decent assists.

Great. Just need to weed out the bad players. Marvin is playing like Garbage imho. I need to get the game again and I’ll post the rest of Marvin.

But damn Raptors are small. at one point they had Linas Kleiza on Jason Collins. Not that Collins scored off a putback or got anything easy. He saw over the defense a bit but come on.

Time to upgrade and leave Horford for some toughness.
#tradeHorfordforBogut,Leuer

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…Celts are not getting much for Pierce. You’d have to sell him at a discount.

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JJ y Josh Smith estuvieron a un nivel altisimo,pero Teague no entiende el juego(a pesar de lo cual puede marcar diferencias)y no es mejor base que Hinrich.Recomiendo dar minutos a Sloan,Pargo es una broma como segundo base.
Quiero ver a Ivan de titular.Y para terminar:Necesitamos un center.Yo creo en Rasheed o en Omar Samham.GO HAWKS!!!

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Astro,

I remember reading on Hoopshype last week that Sheed never filed his retirement papers with the league, so he should be good to signed with whom ever since his a FA now.

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•#Hawks F Tracy McGrady (back): “I’m ready to go. I wish they’d release me. And I don’t mean from the team.” 2 hours ago – from MC twitter

There may be some tension between TMac and LD…..

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Lol I wouldn’t be surprised if LD told T-Mac to ’say’ he had back spasms, if T-Mac wants to play LD, you let him play he does nothing but good things when on the court.

Also speaking on that McGee dunk off the backboard it somewhat reminded me of when Josh tried to do the between the legs dunk in the playoffs a few seasons ago. Josh caught a lot of heat from people who didn’t agree with it, and since then has matured a lot. I think McGee has to mature a lot more mentally before anyone takes him or the Wizards more seriously, but respect for John Wall and Flip Saunders for getting on him a little, just like the other Flip did when Josh tried it.

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Melvin, I was hoping that Flip-Flops would get some time when Cousins sat in the doghouse a few weeks ago. But they kept him in the D-League, where I understand that he has matured to the point he is now wearing Nike slides to the gym.

I did not know that Rasheed never found a stamp for his retirement papers. Now its just a matter of proving that he hasn’t been trying to personally save Hostess from bankruptcy for the past year. (I’ve always been partial to the coffee cakes, myself).

Aldridge is slightly less soft than Chris Bosh… LD needs to just let Ivan scare the nasty out of LA tomorrow evening.

Gdad, Lamar Odom, after watching McGee tryout for the Olympics, said something to the affect that “they call this basketball, not running and jumping”.

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John Dwyer appointed Senior Vice President – Customer Experience
January 17, 2012

John Dwyer, Senior Vice President-Merger Integration-Customer Experience, AT&T Services, Inc., is appointed Senior Vice President-Customer Experience, AT&T Mobility and Consumer Markets, effective Jan. 16.

Dwyer’s team will drive the cross-functional work necessary to build an end-to-end customer experience platform for our products, services and customer-facing organizations, and will partner with Operations and Business Solutions to transform the overall AT&T customer experience. Dwyer will remain in Atlanta and will report to Ralph de la Vega, President and Chief Executive Officer, AT&T Mobility and Consumer Markets.

Portland will likley end the game with LA, Wallace, Jamal, Matthews and Felton on the floor. If TMac is ready to remove the bubble wrap, the Hawks can counter with Ivan, Josh, TMac/Marvin, Joe & Teague. Sorry, haters, but I’m not fearing the Blazers. Hawks should win with a slightly better than average effort.

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Good assessment of McGee G-Dad. I cant take Smith mentoring McGee. It would be like developing Smith all over again.

I just realized both Al Horford and Josh Smith have inferred that Marvin be kicked out of the starting lineup.

Smith: “we need a knockdown shooter. Not Korver but a for real for real shooter”.
Horford: “we need a real center. bulls got that asik kid. I’m a 4.”

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It is going to be near impossible to go find a frontline C to throw in this lineup. We all have hopes like we do during the summer that a major move will be made.
I no longer have the faith that Sund is interested in such a big move.
The Bibby deal is still to-be-determined and I think we have to take on salary to get anything significant.
Now we will see if Gearon is pure owner-speak or he comes out and says we have enough even without Al. I think he better stay under ground because I know a couple of people here that would like to throw something his way the next time he comes out in public.
We can always come up with scenarios, but our current plan using combinations will probably be the norm going forward.

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Smith.Leuer.Bogut

“All Marvin Williams Touches: 1st Quarter (Atlanta vs Toronto MLK Day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wzi_IlEQBo”

It’s really sad. Playin no defense at all, and horrid on offense. One play Toronta has Calderon checking him. The ball swings to Marv, and he passes it like he has hotcakes in his hand. We continue to trot this guy out there as a starter game after game. My bold prediction is that the Hawks will never make it out of the second round of the playoffs with Marvin Williams starting. It’s like his pick, has cursed this team. No reason that the coach or the owners should still be trotting this guy out as a starter. It’s really becoming comical.

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Wow so Marvin did not start nor play the whole 4th quarter. LD went with 6′10 Vlad who did some good things as far as dribble drive and complementing our core (Teague, Joe, Josh). Then followed with Willie Green. Marvin? What does he do? What a schmuck. Good job closing out a bad team LD.

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“It’s really sad. Playin no defense at all, and horrid on offense. One play Toronta has Calderon checking him. The ball swings to Marv, and he passes it like he has hotcakes in his hand. We continue to trot this guy out there as a starter game after game. My bold prediction is that the Hawks will never make it out of the second round of the playoffs with Marvin Williams starting. It’s like his pick, has cursed this team. No reason that the coach or the owners should still be trotting this guy out as a starter. It’s really becoming comical.”

His pick did curse the team because we then moved Smith to power forward. For offensive Spacing .

The problem with that is: what good is spacing if the guy can’t get a shot off?
Bad hands + slow shooter = cant get a shot off
His teammates notice this too:
He just cannot finish plays. And these things are wide open. Almost anyone is a triple threat playing off of all this talent to shoot, pass, or dribble. But not Marvin Williams. I mean seriously. What can he do consistently?

I’ve been pushing this trade so hard just to get away from the curse of Marvin Williams. If we are going to add a perimeter player to the core of Jeff,Joe,Josh then the worst perimeter players are guys who don’t do anything but eat possessions.

Hit wide open skip shot threes, get occasional tip ins, help quickness/size on defense. I mean we have to be aggressive for this to be the year we win it all. We can’t play 4 on 5 any longer with Marvin, and before I annoint Jon Leuer the anti-thesis of Marvin Williams.

If Jon Leuer sucked AS BAD as Marvin Williams would you still take him over Marvin on account of…being a 7 foot SF? Height shooting the corner 3. Height shooting in the post…. Calderon really?

It seems Bucks fans are giving up on the season and Bogut should come available. now seeing their offers it seems like Leuer could be had as well.

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Give me anybody that can hit an open jump shot. You guys wonder why Teague can really get to the lane? Besides his quickness, if Vlad is on the floor with Joe, somebody has to make a decision on who to guard. That spacing is huge. Marvin has improved attacking the O-glass, but his awkwardness prevents him from hitting the hole like he should. He’s a $7.5 million/year liability. Nobody is picking up that contract until his last year, maybe.

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yoursporthouse dot com,

Agreed. It is funny to see all these trade scenerios involving Marvin on this blog. Nobody in this league wants Marvin Williams. I laughed at the start of the year when he was playing well, and people on this blog were making comments like Rod from College Park is rolling over in his grave…… One thing that I know about Marvin is that he is consistently inconsistent, and injury prone. It never fails. Once he starts playing well, he gets hurt, then when he comes back from injury, he will take about a month to start playing decent again, then he will get hurt again. the cycle repeats itself. Some things you can always depend on, death, taxes, and Marvin Williams in the starting lineup if he is healthy. LOL

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All Marvin Williams Touches 3rd Quarter (DNP in 4th)(Atlanta vs Toronto MLK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYOtXvdTeZM

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Bogut = 20 points 11 rebounds 41 minutes played
Brandon Jennings = 7 points, 2 assists, 3 turnovers, 28 minutes played

And people want to blame Bogut. Dude’s a damned fine center.

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Wouldnt be a bad idea to consider Rasheen Wallace. Could u image Sheen & Vlad in on the 2nd unit busting 3’s left and right with Ivan Johnson in to clean the boards in case for misses?

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SLB, the lane to the hoop was open all day for the Sixers….its on the tape!

We don’t need that on our team.
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Al Horford…

Josh Smith/Ivan at center… Jason Collins…

You think it won’t be Aldridge running layup lines tomorrow vs POR?

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AJ,

Soft LaMarcus Aldridge has been added to the 20 players who will audition for the USA team.

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