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Melvin
January 17th, 2012
3:46 pm
Astro,
I remember reading on Hoopshype last week that Sheed never filed his retirement papers with the league, so he should be good to signed with whom ever since his a FA now.
Grandad
January 17th, 2012
3:49 pm
Sorry about the length of my previous post;
I tried to link the article,
but,
I am technology impaired; sorry.
______________________________________________
Mary Ellen:
The reason for listin sock / bare feet hgt along with hgt in shoes:
Players cheat at the official measurement session.
Some of the worst cases include;
* Kevin Love (in his case / turns out, it don’t matter) the kid can play
* Cole Aldrich
** they wore lifts in their shoes [pre-draft] = $ $
* Then there is Hassan whiteside;
-who wore flip flops to be measured in shoes-
sock ft, 6-10; with shoes, 6-10.25 / {he went in 2nd round}
Melvin
January 17th, 2012
3:51 pm
•#Hawks F Tracy McGrady (back): “I’m ready to go. I wish they’d release me. And I don’t mean from the team.” 2 hours ago – from MC twitter
There may be some tension between TMac and LD…..
Melvin
January 17th, 2012
3:53 pm
Grandad,
Please don’t get Astro started on Hassan “Flip Flops” Whiteside. He was so estatic with his pre-draft behavior…LOL
JaeEvolution
January 17th, 2012
3:55 pm
Lol I wouldn’t be surprised if LD told T-Mac to ’say’ he had back spasms, if T-Mac wants to play LD, you let him play he does nothing but good things when on the court.
Also speaking on that McGee dunk off the backboard it somewhat reminded me of when Josh tried to do the between the legs dunk in the playoffs a few seasons ago. Josh caught a lot of heat from people who didn’t agree with it, and since then has matured a lot. I think McGee has to mature a lot more mentally before anyone takes him or the Wizards more seriously, but respect for John Wall and Flip Saunders for getting on him a little, just like the other Flip did when Josh tried it.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
3:58 pm
On a debate of blocking vs offensive foul refs decide…jump ball? What?
Astro Joe
January 17th, 2012
4:02 pm
Melvin, I was hoping that Flip-Flops would get some time when Cousins sat in the doghouse a few weeks ago. But they kept him in the D-League, where I understand that he has matured to the point he is now wearing Nike slides to the gym.
I did not know that Rasheed never found a stamp for his retirement papers. Now its just a matter of proving that he hasn’t been trying to personally save Hostess from bankruptcy for the past year. (I’ve always been partial to the coffee cakes, myself).
Aldridge is slightly less soft than Chris Bosh… LD needs to just let Ivan scare the nasty out of LA tomorrow evening.
Gdad, Lamar Odom, after watching McGee tryout for the Olympics, said something to the affect that “they call this basketball, not running and jumping”.
Melvin
January 17th, 2012
4:08 pm
Smith.Leuer.Bogut,
It was a rare Blarge call on that play with Teague. Meaning two refs made two different calls. Both fouls are enforce and a jumpball at midcourt to resume play (at college level and below they would use the possession arrow to resume play).
Astro Joe
January 17th, 2012
4:08 pm
John Dwyer appointed Senior Vice President – Customer Experience
January 17, 2012
John Dwyer, Senior Vice President-Merger Integration-Customer Experience, AT&T Services, Inc., is appointed Senior Vice President-Customer Experience, AT&T Mobility and Consumer Markets, effective Jan. 16.
Dwyer’s team will drive the cross-functional work necessary to build an end-to-end customer experience platform for our products, services and customer-facing organizations, and will partner with Operations and Business Solutions to transform the overall AT&T customer experience. Dwyer will remain in Atlanta and will report to Ralph de la Vega, President and Chief Executive Officer, AT&T Mobility and Consumer Markets.
Portland will likley end the game with LA, Wallace, Jamal, Matthews and Felton on the floor. If TMac is ready to remove the bubble wrap, the Hawks can counter with Ivan, Josh, TMac/Marvin, Joe & Teague. Sorry, haters, but I’m not fearing the Blazers. Hawks should win with a slightly better than average effort.
Melvin
January 17th, 2012
4:13 pm
Astro,
Whats funny to me is how folks down play the 3 teams the Hawks beat without Al. As if the Hawks made their own schedule and they are the only team to play those 3 teams. Man please, what was they suppose to do, lose to those teams….
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
4:14 pm
Good assessment of McGee G-Dad. I cant take Smith mentoring McGee. It would be like developing Smith all over again.
I just realized both Al Horford and Josh Smith have inferred that Marvin be kicked out of the starting lineup.
Smith: “we need a knockdown shooter. Not Korver but a for real for real shooter”.
Horford: “we need a real center. bulls got that asik kid. I’m a 4.”
Grandad
January 17th, 2012
4:42 pm
I’ve been looking at Boris’ stats and re-reading his scouting reports.
Marv for Boris works ! … (RealGM; trade checker)
Yes I would do it in a NY min.
-the key Boris’ passing ability-
He is a smart fit in LD’s system both offensively & defensively.
Boris and V-Rad @ the [3] / tag-team / we are better !
KevinM
January 17th, 2012
4:52 pm
It is going to be near impossible to go find a frontline C to throw in this lineup. We all have hopes like we do during the summer that a major move will be made.
I no longer have the faith that Sund is interested in such a big move.
The Bibby deal is still to-be-determined and I think we have to take on salary to get anything significant.
Now we will see if Gearon is pure owner-speak or he comes out and says we have enough even without Al. I think he better stay under ground because I know a couple of people here that would like to throw something his way the next time he comes out in public.
We can always come up with scenarios, but our current plan using combinations will probably be the norm going forward.
KevinM
January 17th, 2012
4:54 pm
AJ, you gotta explain how the at&t customer experience ties into the blog here?…..and at&t is in need of a new customer experience…..personal experience involved here.
Rod from College Park
January 17th, 2012
4:59 pm
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
“All Marvin Williams Touches: 1st Quarter (Atlanta vs Toronto MLK Day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Wzi_IlEQBo”
It’s really sad. Playin no defense at all, and horrid on offense. One play Toronta has Calderon checking him. The ball swings to Marv, and he passes it like he has hotcakes in his hand. We continue to trot this guy out there as a starter game after game. My bold prediction is that the Hawks will never make it out of the second round of the playoffs with Marvin Williams starting. It’s like his pick, has cursed this team. No reason that the coach or the owners should still be trotting this guy out as a starter. It’s really becoming comical.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
5:03 pm
Teague got fouled in the open court and missed a layup. Though it wouldnt count Ivan wanted to go up for a putback dunk. Amir Johnson was holding him and he couldn’t jump high enough. Ivan stares at him. Amir looks the other way. Ivan looks the other way. Walks past him and gives him a little shoulder shiver. I loled
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
5:06 pm
Wow so Marvin did not start nor play the whole 4th quarter. LD went with 6′10 Vlad who did some good things as far as dribble drive and complementing our core (Teague, Joe, Josh). Then followed with Willie Green. Marvin? What does he do? What a schmuck. Good job closing out a bad team LD.
JaeEvolution
January 17th, 2012
5:32 pm
I agree with grandad, Marvin is soft as cupcakes, Diaw is a cupcake but he can pass, rebound, and shoot the 3 ball better than Marvin and will actually post up his smaller opponents. Also if anything he will be able to free up more cap space for us and get Marvin’s 3 year contract out of the way. All for that trade, we lose nothing gain cap space win-win.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
5:33 pm
“It’s really sad. Playin no defense at all, and horrid on offense. One play Toronta has Calderon checking him. The ball swings to Marv, and he passes it like he has hotcakes in his hand. We continue to trot this guy out there as a starter game after game. My bold prediction is that the Hawks will never make it out of the second round of the playoffs with Marvin Williams starting. It’s like his pick, has cursed this team. No reason that the coach or the owners should still be trotting this guy out as a starter. It’s really becoming comical.”
His pick did curse the team because we then moved Smith to power forward. For offensive Spacing .
The problem with that is: what good is spacing if the guy can’t get a shot off?
Bad hands + slow shooter = cant get a shot off
His teammates notice this too:
He just cannot finish plays. And these things are wide open. Almost anyone is a triple threat playing off of all this talent to shoot, pass, or dribble. But not Marvin Williams. I mean seriously. What can he do consistently?
I’ve been pushing this trade so hard just to get away from the curse of Marvin Williams. If we are going to add a perimeter player to the core of Jeff,Joe,Josh then the worst perimeter players are guys who don’t do anything but eat possessions.
Hit wide open skip shot threes, get occasional tip ins, help quickness/size on defense. I mean we have to be aggressive for this to be the year we win it all. We can’t play 4 on 5 any longer with Marvin, and before I annoint Jon Leuer the anti-thesis of Marvin Williams.
If Jon Leuer sucked AS BAD as Marvin Williams would you still take him over Marvin on account of…being a 7 foot SF? Height shooting the corner 3. Height shooting in the post…. Calderon really?
It seems Bucks fans are giving up on the season and Bogut should come available. now seeing their offers it seems like Leuer could be had as well.
Ken Strickland
January 17th, 2012
5:39 pm
SMITH.LEUER.BOGUT-Bogut vs anybody would have to be part of a video gm since he can’t stay healthy and on the court often enough to be a factor against anyone. You need to get over this MAN CRUSH you appear to have on Bogut and Leuer, it’s not natural or normal, trust me. That’s about all you seem capable of talking about. Why don’t you spend you time on a Bucks blog, or better still, go to Milwaukee to see him in person and drull. He’ll be the very tall guy sitting at the end of the bench in civilian attire.
yoursporthouse dot com
January 17th, 2012
5:45 pm
Give me anybody that can hit an open jump shot. You guys wonder why Teague can really get to the lane? Besides his quickness, if Vlad is on the floor with Joe, somebody has to make a decision on who to guard. That spacing is huge. Marvin has improved attacking the O-glass, but his awkwardness prevents him from hitting the hole like he should. He’s a $7.5 million/year liability. Nobody is picking up that contract until his last year, maybe.
KevinM
January 17th, 2012
5:54 pm
Just a little non-reality for us who make a regular living….DWade has a special birthday celebration……http://www.tmz.com/2012/01/17/dwyane-wade-mclaren-car-crane-miami/
DWade living large in South Beach………
Rod from College Park
January 17th, 2012
6:00 pm
yoursporthouse dot com,
Agreed. It is funny to see all these trade scenerios involving Marvin on this blog. Nobody in this league wants Marvin Williams. I laughed at the start of the year when he was playing well, and people on this blog were making comments like Rod from College Park is rolling over in his grave…… One thing that I know about Marvin is that he is consistently inconsistent, and injury prone. It never fails. Once he starts playing well, he gets hurt, then when he comes back from injury, he will take about a month to start playing decent again, then he will get hurt again. the cycle repeats itself. Some things you can always depend on, death, taxes, and Marvin Williams in the starting lineup if he is healthy. LOL
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
6:04 pm
All Marvin Williams Touches 2nd Quarter (Atlanta vs Toronto MLK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOdzjgt_tuc
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
6:05 pm
All Marvin Williams Touches 3rd Quarter (DNP in 4th)(Atlanta vs Toronto MLK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYOtXvdTeZM
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
6:09 pm
Who’s posting trades for Marvin? I said bench his liability self.
12mpg against backups. #s say minimizing minutes this is a good strategy. Just go out there and play hard and he’ll get the same #s but in less time against lower competition.
Minimizing minutes and turning Marvin Williams into a positive (from the bench) is my plan.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
6:13 pm
Bogut = 20 points 11 rebounds 41 minutes played
Brandon Jennings = 7 points, 2 assists, 3 turnovers, 28 minutes played
And people want to blame Bogut. Dude’s a damned fine center.
KevinM
January 17th, 2012
6:31 pm
SLB, the lane to the hoop was open all day for the Sixers….its on the tape!
We don’t need that on our team.
MsDee
January 17th, 2012
6:32 pm
Wouldnt be a bad idea to consider Rasheen Wallace. Could u image Sheen & Vlad in on the 2nd unit busting 3’s left and right with Ivan Johnson in to clean the boards in case for misses?
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
6:43 pm
“I’m just saying guys like Leuer (guys who aren’t going to win you a ton of games by themselves, but are great fits when you get legit talent around them) are the type of guys I would try to sign to reasonable deals.
I agree it’s not a huge priority, just something I would do if possible.”
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
6:50 pm
SLB, the lane to the hoop was open all day for the Sixers….its on the tape!
We don’t need that on our team.
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Al Horford…
Josh Smith/Ivan at center… Jason Collins…
You think it won’t be Aldridge running layup lines tomorrow vs POR?
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
January 17th, 2012
6:53 pm
Wouldnt be a bad idea to consider Rasheen Wallace. Could u image Sheen & Vlad in on the 2nd unit busting 3’s left and right with Ivan Johnson in to clean the boards in case for misses?
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No I can’t imagine. Only one person can shoot the ball at a time, so what else are they doing to generate an advantage? And Ivan Johnson is all of 6′8 and had 2 rebounds in 20 minutes yesterday.
O'Brien
January 17th, 2012
7:07 pm
AJ,
Soft LaMarcus Aldridge has been added to the 20 players who will audition for the USA team.
Michael Cunningham
January 17th, 2012
7:11 pm
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.