Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 93, Raptors 84

I mean we lose by 10 to Portland tomorrow and coast to the playoffs would you rather have Bogut and a 7 foot shooter in Leuer or Horford come playoffs.

Should have done the 2 for 1. My hope is the Bucks give up on the season have a bad record and tank and give us Leuer + Bogut. They get to tank for a high pick, get Horford, and for a high pick and maybe a 2nd rounder from us as well.

What say you Hawks fans?

Teague, Joe Johnson, Josh, Leuer, Bogut
McGrady, Hinrich, Willie Green, Vlad, Marvin, Ivan, Pachulia

Leuer and Bogut or just Horford right now whod you all take?

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“James-Josh-D12 beats any team, because on defense its a nightmare.”

and Dwight Howard is from ATL.

Even if that was equal value for Lebron…Do you think Pat Riley does not know that trade opens up a follow up move from ATL?

Riley is not going to play KingMaker to ATL.

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Smith, that trade would make the Heat even MORE of a favorite, because their line up is balanced even more, and their depth would be crazy.
Teague-Wade-Joe-Bosh-Horford.

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SteveW -&- Smith.Leuer.Bogut

Thanks ! -&- Thanks !

Smith + filler is one thing
Smith + Teaguer is a whole ”nuther” thang altogether.

LAL; Steve Blake, out 2 – 3 wks inj. ? (Hinrich healthy ? perhaps)

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“like Al very much but Bogut fits like the glove OJ used to murder Nicole and Ron that night… Sorry very tasteless of me but I would love Bogut with this lineup.”

Well not without Leuer. they suddenly acquire too many assets. Leuer could be a pf of the future. And they give more touches to develop Jennings and Harris through the fire. Very young core.

And then they could trade Horford for someone else AND WORST OF ALL they get a high pick to reload even more.

Milwaukee is scared that they will end up like us. Not good enough to win it all not bad enough to get better thru the draft.

They get all that they cannot keep Leuer. And we cannot take back bad contracts. The positives and alternatives for Milwaukee is too much compared to what ATL gets.

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^from the MIL blog. You cant trade Horford and only get back Bogut it helps MIL to much.

You got to go 2 for 1 (Leuer to become a similar pick and pop version of Horford more range) and Bogut, to make it even remotely close to being mutually beneficial

Like I said they get a pick+ can flip Horford and pick for top picks + youth get more development and Bucks core gets younger (Jennings and Harris)

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” It’s a straight up swap for an injured Al for injury prone Bogut.”

Just when I thought there wasn’t enough Al-for-Bogut talk around here.

Seriously, it is not a bad trade for either team if injuries are not a factor. But injuries are a factor, and I’d rather have the guy (Al) who has only suffered one major injury in his career and has otherwise been very durable for a big man, over the guy (Bogut) who seems to be banged up every season.

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Stop it with Lueur. He is a hometown kid ala Josh that the Bucks have cheap for the next 5-7 years. They have no reason to involve him for anything.

Horford being injured is the caveat for making the deal in the first place. He’s as close to Dwight as Atlanta will get considering the Clippers are apparently setting the bar for Supaman trade scenarios.

Teague – Hinrich
Joe – T-Mac
Marvin – Rad
Josh – Ivan
Bogut – Zaza

If we can flip Marvin for even a marginally better 3 then sky is the limit.

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Another thing about Al for Bogut: Al may not be a “true center” or as polished an offensive player as Bogut, but this is a second round team with Al. Is this any better than a second round team with Bogut instead? Would a Teague-Joe-Josh-Bogut core be any more likely to beat the Bulls or the Heat than Teague-Joe-Josh-Al? I’m not convinced.

If the Hawks make a trade involving piece(s) of the core, it should involve a superstar that clearly elevates this team’s ceiling. Bogut is nice but he ain’t no superstar.

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And what the hell is it with Howard wanting to join the Clippers now too!? Seriously?

F*ck him. I hope the Bulls or Thunder win the Championship this season. Or our HAWKS!

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I know the deal may not happen. But if the Heat don’t win a championship this season, Lebron will be secretly made available.

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EmirS he is probably an ATL Hawks fan. He doesn’t want a team without a superstar. Zing?
CP3 + Blake + Dwight = 2 stars.

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Is this any better than a second round team with Bogut instead? Would a Teague-Joe-Josh-Bogut core be any more likely to beat the Bulls or the Heat than Teague-Joe-Josh-Al? I’m not convinced.

Seriously depends on if you start Marvin.

Jon Leuer is looking like a mini-Horford right now. His defense is surprisingly good despite wingspan, good IQ, good jumper, yet at 7′0 he can hit the jumper off the dribble too.

Now with the losing record Does MIL value him that highly? Do they see him as a non negotiable impact player/core piece?

I doubt it with the way the season is going they might not see it. They only look at wins and losses and ignore advance stats.

Offense & Defense Rating
118 103 16.2%
118 105 17.9%

One is Horford one is Leuer. SMDH. A smart undersized basketball player is still undersized.

Overrated.

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Ra’mon
“Charles Barkley just changed his statement!! He just said that “As I said a couple of weeks ago, the Hawks are only going to go as far as Josh Smith carries them!” The other week he said Joe Johnson, lol.

And Kenny chimed in that Josh is the only Hawks player with UPSIDE.”

What? Source?

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What happen to that rookie Keith Benson? They should have kept him.

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Look at dallas, struggling to control paint without chandler, boston have weak interior without perkins.
You have got to have a quality bigman.

D12 only got 8pts against chandler yesterday.

And quality bigman does not include bogut, too injury prone, not physical enough, inadequate defense

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This was strictly a cruise control win, so everyone should stop worrying like fools.

You could see that the Hawks would have no difficulty holding off the Raptors’ runs and simply were simply going through the motions. As a fan you can object but with this condensed schedule, they went scrimmage mode.

As for the “Al”, “no Al” debate, this is a complete nonsense.

I am very critical of Al’s decaying spunk (which seemed to improve a bit this season since he realised that he is no longer getting as many open looks as last year and was going to the block with a bit more decision) but we are clearly a better team WITH AL.

Nonetheless, that does not mean that we cannot get by without him and I think that Sund does not need to overreact.

Let’s wait for the recovery prognosis following today’s surgery to know where we are for the playoffs (by the way, I have absolutely no doubt that we will be in playoffs and under no circumstance lower than the #6 seed).

CHI, MIA, ORL, PHI and IND are the only teams able to finish with a better record than us.

BOS are washed up and have no bench.
NYK are fools’ gold and their only hope is to fire D’Antoni TODAY.
The rest are sub-sub-sub-par with no chance of worrying us.

The key for our season will be Teague and Josh’s consistency.

The Minny game showed that a couple of bad calls from the refs still completely derail Josh.

His shot was not falling but his 1st quarter was ALL HUSTLE and then he went into a funk due to several horrible calls.

I am worried that against better opposition we will continue to be diced by the refs and Josh will not gather himself and continue to disappoint (usually on national TV).

Hence, this game against POR will be a good test since:

a) Aldridge is balling and is a bad match up for Josh;
b) Wallace poses HORRIBLE match up problems (V-Rad can’t defend him and Marvin… well, looks Marvin again);
c) The mummys (Thomas and Camby – which hopefully may remain inactive) are manning the middle by committee well on rebounding, with a good combo of length (which we lack) and girth/toughness (which we have but may not be enough since Ivan is undersized);
d) Batum is on fire and we have a lot of problems when a good 6-man comes in (see games in the past in which Maggette, Nate, … destroyed us);
e) Jamal may be motivated against us (although he is shooting like crap right now).
f) Felton is always a tricky match up for us as well.

If we don’t bring our defensive A game, we will be in major trouble from tip off. Sincerely, I am seeing a remake of the HOU game: we start slow and play catch up without being able to recover from the deficit.

Another factor is Teague finishing at the rim. If Camby does not play, we should be a bit better, but Teague is still finding his comfort zone at the glass and we need him to keep Felton in check and deep into his paint with his penetration.

My prediction: POR by 8

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Najeh,

At least I think it was DeRozan — with the Hawks refusing to fix their scoreboards it’s impossible to know who is on the floor for the other team unless I know their numbers already.

The ASG believe fixing the scoreboard will put them in luxury tax territory.

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As for the game, its good to beat the teams you’re supposed to. Joe, Josh and Teague did what they need to do.

It will be interesting to see how they perform against good teams.

If Josh keeps up these numbers, and Hawks keep winning, he will get some all star consideration (although he probably wont make it).

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Mark Stein’s power ranking:

“ATL, rank 12th (last week, 6th): a shame it happened so soon after those big wins over Miami and Chicago, but there’s no getting around it: Atlanta just lost the guy on the roster closest to irreplaceable, because Al Horford ranks not only as its best big man but also its smartest player”.

Who I may be close to reality: the press, coaches, and players that recognize Horford’s value or some bloggers here who said otherwise?

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Really we are 3-1 without Horford. He only played 5 minutes in Indy.

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You know, very dissapointed in tmacs soft mindset. Just play through it. It’s not like hed is a superstar, he gets worse then bench him.

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Tmac=soft cry baby. justy retier you has been

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with al out there are fewer people to defer to or “trust” so it takes that pressure off and it works against poor teams. with al out there are fewer options especially when both jj and josh throw bricks and refuse to take it inside. we will suffer with al gone to some degree as we struggled against two pretty worthless teams, but i add we have done that with al in there when josh and jj do the same thing. though al may be a stabilizer, josh is still the straw for this team and jj along for the ride. if josh behaves and survives physically and mentally, then we do all right, a bit above .500.

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Tmac shouldnt see another minute on the floor as a hawk. Dude is a washed up soft has been

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Tmac is finished. Time to retier his soft butt

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