Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 93, Raptors 84

Here is a link to Chris Vivlamore’s AJC game story, in which Josh Smith explains his “different state of mind” this season and Larry Drew says Tracy McGrady’s back tightened up after he played eight first-half minutes.

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Steven A

January 16th, 2012
9:15 pm

Hawks play much better without Al Horford.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 16th, 2012
9:15 pm

Jeff Teague gets zero respect from the refs.

JaeEvolution

January 16th, 2012
9:17 pm

Agree Najeh, I think Teague should go to the line 6+ times a game but he rarely ever gets there because the refs don’t give him any calls, he just has to keep playing and eventually I think he will get that respect.

Steven A

January 16th, 2012
9:17 pm

Josh is a better scorer and attacks the basket more now. Ivan Johnson should be the new starting PF, he’s earned it. Bench Marvin and ivan will grow.

Crickets..Crkctkets..crickets...

January 16th, 2012
9:20 pm

Following our last thread :

MattP

I dont know if thats true. He had NJ on his list and we know hes not going there. He had the lakers but that aint happening either.

In fact the 3 teams he mentioned were all major market teams and even with Howard NJ doesnt win a championship. I dont think Howard is saying he doesnt want to play for ATL.”Oh contra” If that was the case the ASG 2 month pursuit would not have made the press. ( and still does) you can best believe that when Sund and the ASG went to the Magic organization to make the offer, the Magic countered saying Al Horford needed to be part of the package. No doubt they had already asked Howard if this was a doable deal. This bargaining would not have been consider for as long as it has been, if Howard wasnt made aware… and even since it has been made public Howard hasnt said oh no way, Im not interested in Atlanta. In fact hes been very quiet about it. The only thing he has said is , “I still want out”

There is a reason that Josh and D12 have made so many related commercials, at last count there were 5 or 6. These two are very good friends and when asked who should the Magic get of available players that would make D12 stay, Josh was on a very very short list.

To put it all together. If D12 and Josh and JJ were all playing together in Atlanta this would be a major market. Secondly this is already a very good team and D12 coming would just thrust us into the championship picture, so hed get his second wish,too.

Bottom line. D12 isnt saying no to Atlanta, his home town, no, not at all.

Section 303

January 16th, 2012
9:21 pm

Teague plays hard and attacks the rim. I love that about him. Many of you saw that long before I did. A lot of you were calling for Teague minutes the past two seasons. All of you were right.

One concern I have….really noticed it the past three games. Teague, or someone else, will make a slick pass and we have guys not ready for the ball. Has happened to Zaza several times and happened once to Josh today on a pass from Teague. Gotta be ready. I’m just waiting for the ball to bounce off someone’s chest at a key moment in the game.

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January 16th, 2012
9:21 pm

Steven A

January 16th, 2012
9:15 pm

Hawks play much better without Al Horford.

Co-sign. Its quite clear.

Steven A

January 16th, 2012
9:21 pm

As soon as Kurt Heinrich returns, release Sloan. Best bench in NBA. Heinrich, T-Mac, Vlad RAD,
Zsa Zsa, and Willi Green, All can score the Basketball.

Section 303

January 16th, 2012
9:23 pm

The Portland game on Wednesday is going to be a good one. Hope the fans come out for it, but know they won’t. Shame…the crowds were good at the beginning of the season. Have tapered off a lot. Since the Miami game, really.

Those of you without a ticket for Wednesday, go get one! Have to be cheap on Stubhub or out on the street.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 16th, 2012
9:24 pm

Three wins without Al against sh-tty teams doesn’t tell me anything more than getting blown out without Al against the Sixers and Hornets last year told me.

They really should have won this game by a lot more. Toronto’s zone gave them problems in the second half. Offensive rebounding kept them in it during those stretches, and a better rebounding team than Toronto will be able to zone up the Hawks and get boards when the Hawks miss. Josh played great, but he also bailed out several bad Hawks possessions with made jumpers, which are not always going to go down.

I’m interested to see how they play against Portland, the first good team they are going to face after Al’s injury. Still not convinced they can get through the season without upgrading the center position.

Runner-

January 16th, 2012
9:26 pm

are the Hawks serious about going into the playoffs with Zaza or Twin as the starting center?

Macaroni Tony

January 16th, 2012
9:26 pm

I like this new JS. The guy is taking his game to a whole new level. That was a great win tonight

Najeh Davenpoop

January 16th, 2012
9:27 pm

Collins and Zaza combined today: 0/1, 6 points, 4 boards, 2 dimes in 30 minutes combined.

The one positive is that they had zero turnovers, which in Zaza’s case usually doesn’t happen, but is that enough production from the center position against better teams? I doubt it.

Steven A

January 16th, 2012
9:27 pm

With a legit NBA Center, Hawks will be in the Eastern Conference Finals. Rasheed Wallace coming out of retirement. If he started and played 25 minutes a night, Hawks could compete with Bulls. if Wallace ws committed to winning and conditioning, he would help this team.

KevinM

January 16th, 2012
9:28 pm

Teague is the key to this team…..he brings the ability to compete every night…so far, no blowouts.

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

January 16th, 2012
9:29 pm

“I dont think Howard is saying he doesnt want to play for ATL.”Oh contra””

Is that a reference to Nicaraguan Freedom fighters, or folk dancers?

Cuz it “weren’t French”

MattP

January 16th, 2012
9:31 pm

I think the hawks are looking good without Horford but cant really judge that based on the teams they played. I think they really need a defensive center that can rebound. Zaza is too slow/clumsy and inconsistent to be the starter, not saying he is a bad backup just saying he is not starter material, Collins is only good for guarding guys like Howard. Tonight we were getting out rebounded by the Raptors and they didn’t have their starting center.

Portland will be a good game to judge how the Hawks are without Horford.

Jody

January 16th, 2012
9:34 pm

So let me get this straight. Since Horford went down to injury, the Hawks caught a beat down against a legit Pacers team and then won three games at home against the lottery bound Bobcats, Timberwolves and Raptors (without their best player) and the conclusion is the Hawks “play much better without Al Horford”? Lol at the Horford hate. Let’s see how well they play without him against playoff caliber teams.

Drew

January 16th, 2012
9:34 pm

Well, the honeymoon period is over now. We are going to start seeing some winning teams in competition again. Things should get interesting now. I wasn’t surprised that the Hawks beat Charlotte, Minnesota, and Toronto in 3 straight home games. I expected that, even without Al. After all, those 3 teams have a combined record of 11-29. I think our next game should be much more telling.

We finally have a winning team coming to town in the Portland Trail Blazers. It will be nice to see how the Horford-less Hawks do against a winning team. Hopefully, these wins over losing teams are not just fools gold. Personally, I don’t expect the Hawks to beat a lot of the tougher teams without Al and Kirk, and without consistent bench play. I’d say there’s a solid chance that the Hawks can defeat Portland in a home game though. Portland’s defense should test our offense, and their front line will likely outplay ours significantly, but if the jump shots continue to fall and if we continue to get to the free throw line, I see good things coming.

Sautee

January 16th, 2012
9:35 pm

“Tonight we were getting out rebounded by the Raptors and they didn’t have their starting center.”

Do you mean Bargnani and his powerhouse 6.5 rebounds per game? Ivan might have broken him in half.

Adam

January 16th, 2012
9:37 pm

Joe Johnson owns all of you.

MVP…..MVP……MVP

Steven A

January 16th, 2012
9:39 pm

Hawks must cut ties with Jason Collins As Soon As Possible. His rebounding and shot blocking are non-exsistent. Not even going to mention his lack of scoring.

MattP

January 16th, 2012
9:41 pm

Sautee,

So you are saying it is normal to get out rebounded by the Raptors with or without him? Isn’t this suppose to be the make it or break it year?

Crickets..Crkctkets..crickets...

January 16th, 2012
9:42 pm

Hey, somebody Poop a can of hater aid….

Steven A

January 16th, 2012
9:43 pm

If Ivan Johnson were to get starters minutes, Hawks will beat the Blazers…easily the best defender
on the Atlanta Hawk Basketball team.

some of us know

January 16th, 2012
9:44 pm

Well the hawks have also lost to all these teams with Al. Real contenders beat the teams they are suppose too.

STOP THE HATE

Najeh Davenpoop

January 16th, 2012
9:44 pm

“Do you mean Bargnani and his powerhouse 6.5 rebounds per game? Ivan might have broken him in half.”

Haha I was thinking the same thing. This is the first time in several years I have seen the Raptors without Bargnani, and they looked tougher and better on the interior than I have ever seen them. If I was running that team I would try to trade Bargnani for as good a scorer at SG or SF as I could find. Ed Davis is a keeper and Amir Johnson could help a lot of playoff teams. I don’t think it’s that far-fetched to say the Hawks would have won easier if Bargnani had played.

Drew

January 16th, 2012
9:44 pm

“‘Tonight we were getting out rebounded by the Raptors and they didn’t have their starting center.’

Do you mean Bargnani and his powerhouse 6.5 rebounds per game? Ivan might have broken him in half.”

I wouldn’t underestimate Bargnani. He’s never been a great rebounder, but he’s been playing very well lately, and he’s a very good offensive big man (moreso this year). He can score in a lot of different ways. I doubt anyone available to play for the Hawks today would have been able to prevent him from scoring a significant amount of points. Ivan might have attempted to push him around, but at his height, Bargnani could easily shoot over him without having to be “broken in half”. Bargnani plays more of a skill/finesse game than a power game, meaning guys like Collins would have been ineffective against him.

jdewayneatl

January 16th, 2012
9:46 pm

A common theme that will be in the air about this three game winning streak is the caliber of opponent. But that’s an excuse to not be able to bash the Hawks right off after losing Horford. If the Hawks had lost one or the unthinkable 2 or 3, the haters would be in full force picking apart every aspect of the game that Al may have been involved.

Bottom line, the Hawks won the games they were supposed to win.

Sautee

January 16th, 2012
9:46 pm

Najeh,

Thanks for clarifying my point. Co-sign.

Big Lou

January 16th, 2012
9:49 pm

T-Mac had a stiff back after the half. Does this guy ever stay healthy? I’m starting to think the first few games were an aberration.

Also, there has the be somebody in the D league better than Zaza ‘fumbles’ Pachulia and Jason ‘cheeseburger’ Collins. Why are these fool even getting a paycheck?

I agree on starting Ivan. This guy brings grit and heart on defense. We could start games with more intensity with him in the game. Marvin does better flopping on the floor than shooting baskets.

Kudos to JJ and Josh for stepping it up so far in Al’s absence, but I hold my true judgment of their play after the next few games.

LD is clueless at the flow of the game and subs people when it’s too late. I don’t know why he took so long to get Zaza out of there. I loved how he cried after being pulled, though. U mad brah

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January 16th, 2012
9:49 pm

Dept. Of Unintended Irony Gee thanks for clearing that up. au contraire: Its amazing how smart you are to understand what I meant.And how gracious you are to point out an oversight with out being condescending. Amazing.

Guys like you make me SMH !!

Thank for that, you encourage me.

Big Lou

January 16th, 2012
9:49 pm

T-Mac had a stiff back after the half. Does this guy ever stay healthy? I’m starting to think the first few games were an aberration.

Also, there has the be somebody in the D league better than Zaza ‘fumbles’ Pachulia and Jason ‘cheeseburger’ Collins. Why are these fool even getting a paycheck?

I agree on starting Ivan. This guy brings grit and heart on defense. We could start games with more intensity with him in the game. Marvin does better flopping on the floor than shooting baskets.

Kudos to JJ and Josh for stepping it up so far in Al’s absence, but I hold my true judgment of their play after the next few games.

LD is clueless at the flow of the game and subs people when it’s too late. I don’t know why he took so long to get Zaza out of there. I loved how he cried after being pulled, though. U mad, brah? He mad.

Anthony

January 16th, 2012
9:51 pm

The Raptors actually looked like a solid defensive team today, not great, but solid. I guess Dwayne Casey is keeping his promise and instilling a defensive mindset in the players. Oddly enough, they struggled more on the offensive end than they did on the defensive end. It would have been the reverse in the past. I guess that is not a surprise considering their best offensive player and go-to scorer was out.

The Hawks defense was good enough today to get the win, and I’d like to also send DeMar DeRozan a thank you card for helping us get the win by taking a countless amount of terrible shots.

jdewayneatl

January 16th, 2012
9:54 pm

“Tonight we were getting out rebounded by the Raptors and they didn’t have their starting center.”

It must be mentioned that the Hawks were without their starting center also.

But even still, though the rebounding could have definitely been better, it didn’t hurt the Hawks too much in this game and isn’t indicative of the overall rebounding of the team without Al. Against the Timberwolves and the leagues second leading rebounder, the Hawks won the rebounding battle 51 – 40.

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January 16th, 2012
9:54 pm

“Kudos to JJ and Josh for stepping it up so far in Al’s absence…”

funny how folks twist stuff, these two have been stepping it up all year even when Al was here, in fact, Im glad Al got his sorry azz out the way so the team can stop fighting in the locker room and play. Al wasnt doing chit while he was here just keeping Ivan on the bench.

This is a better team with out Al.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 16th, 2012
9:55 pm

Unintended Irony “Oh Contra” is a popular euphorism in Reaganomics. Are you not familiar? lol

Section 303

January 16th, 2012
9:55 pm

Just checked Stubhub for Wednesday’s game with Portland. You can sit down low (100 level) for less than $20. Come on! Upstairs for less than $5, in some cases. Get in the arena! No reason more people should not come out for the Portland game.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 16th, 2012
9:56 pm

Hasn’t been mentioned yet, but Joe played one of his best games of the season. 27 points, efficient shooting, stuffed the stat sheet, and played good D on DeRozan. (At least I think it was DeRozan — with the Hawks refusing to fix their scoreboards it’s impossible to know who is on the floor for the other team unless I know their numbers already.)

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 16th, 2012
9:56 pm

lmao I accidentally combined aphorism and euphemism. Spell-check be damned I thought it was wrong and only now noticed.

Anthony

January 16th, 2012
9:57 pm

By the way, I found an encouraging stat about the Hawks this season. So far, we have not lost to a sub-.500 team this season other than Houston and by the end of the season, I don’t expect Houston to be a sub.-.500 team. At least we are finally starting to consistently beat the teams that we are supposed to beat. Feasting on lottery teams will only get you so far though, at some point, we need to start consistently beating he upper-echelon teams too.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 16th, 2012
10:01 pm

The Wednesday game against Portland is on national TV. Uh oh…

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 16th, 2012
10:03 pm

“Tonight we were getting out rebounded by the Raptors and they didn’t have their starting center.”

It must be mentioned that the Hawks were without their starting center also.

But even still, though the rebounding could have definitely been better, it didn’t hurt the Hawks too much in this game and isn’t indicative of the overall rebounding of the team without Al. Against the Timberwolves and the leagues second leading rebounder, the Hawks won the rebounding battle 51 – 40.
………

Then how did we get outrebounded. You mean we were “Out-physicaled” ie Gasol, guys were getting boards on account of length?

Asking cuz I missed the game.

And I have a feeling POR is gonna curb stomp ATL. Based on matchups size etc.

Not to worry because they are West Conf and have no bearing on us emerging from the Eastern Conference Finals.

Sure the win is for the best record and a loss is never acceptable but I don’t want overreaction trades (unless trades are to improve records).

I am more interested in how we match up with Philly. And if we can get another european Vlad type (young consistent starter material) SF/PF to replace Marvin. I am not asking for a Al Harrington type beer belly tweener.

A conditioned 6′10 Vlad type. Size and affects defense.

arithmatic

January 16th, 2012
10:03 pm

Win 90% of the lottery teams and 50% of the title contenders and you are in with about 45win out 60 games… .750 winning clip.

Excuse me?

brigadierjerry

January 16th, 2012
10:05 pm

Section 303,

Yeah those are cheap tickets. My brother live in Atl and will be going to a few games since the tickets are cheap. Section 303 let me ask you why the lack of attendance at the hawks games?Cant be because the Miami loss the other day. I cant figure it out. If your a fan your a fan. Even after bad losses against teams you get over it but if you can afford it and the tickets seem reasonable right now why would you not go?

Steven

January 16th, 2012
10:05 pm

I wonder how the vibe around the blog will be if the Hawks start losing games, even if it is against quality opponents? Fans are so fickle, people will probably start calling the team “garbage” again and say that we need to break it up lol. Once the Hawks start losing again, the Horford fans will talk about how we are lottery material without him, and the Horford haters (T.S. posting under many, many different identities) will come up some excuse for how it is Al’s fault lol. Just wait and see.

Drew

January 16th, 2012
10:07 pm

“The Wednesday game against Portland is on national TV. Uh oh…”

At least Barkley won’t be calling it. LOL. Since it’s on ESPN, we might get the notorious Hawk-hater Jon Barry for that one.

Grandmaster JeJe

January 16th, 2012
10:07 pm

FIRE LD
FIRE SUND

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January 16th, 2012
10:08 pm

‘a popular euphorism….’

‘o I accidentally combined aphorism and euphemism. ‘

Gee, thank goodness you werent trying to be sarcastic

Crickets..Crkctkets..cricket..

January 16th, 2012
10:14 pm

Al sure is getting a lot of attention for a man that can even raise his hands above his head. Gee can we talk about the hawks… I mean the guys that are playing and winning and not complaining or whining about playing some one else’s position? Can we talk about the guys who worked hard in the off season and are now in shape and helping the hawks win?

Here go hate on this MF ers

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