6:35 pm January 14, 2012, by Michael Cunningham
Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat
January 14th, 201211:53 pm
Puff, Puff, inhale, pass that chit back to Grandad.
January 14th, 201211:58 pm
Nice win, Glad it was not Denver or OKC…
You get down by 18 to those two squads you aint coming back….
January 15th, 201212:00 am
Okay; Big = legit Big = legit 7 ftr = [4,5] = Gasol = Good enough for me!
-cannot inhale- sorry-ain’t got nairy a lung left-
January 15th, 201212:05 am
DMB, did you see that new “Titanic” sinking today? Crazy!!
Of course this Captain didn’t go down with the ship, he got off!
They should revoke his Captains license and give him 50 licks in his birthday suit with the bamboo pole in the town square at the center of Rome on National TV!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 15th, 201212:08 am
@JeJe, looking forward to another classic analysis of tonight’s engaging event with out Atlanta Hawks!
January 15th, 201212:19 am
REV IN TAMPA-I must have really hit that fool where it hurts. Did you notice how he resorted to a different name after each of my responses? Talk about a gutless coward, and one very sick dude. Did you see that really weak attempt to show that none of the things I said were facts? How utterly stupid does one have to be to say Horford isn’t actually ALL NBA because he was voted in by the writers. If what he says is true, then who in the devil does this retard think voted in all of the other ALL NBA players?
Based on his claims, I guess we have to discount all of the other players who were voted ALL NBA. This MENTAL RETARD, AND MENTALLY CHALLENGED INDIVIDUAL, is a perfect example of STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES.
January 15th, 201212:22 am
thats telling Ken LOL sic em.
January 15th, 201212:24 am
Ken I dont care what they say about you, you aint that stupid. I know most of the time you are just acting stupid so they will think you are stupid. That why your theme is stupid is as stupid does. You got them fooled. Keep it up!!! Good Job.
Rev in Tampa
January 15th, 201212:47 am
Teague seems to be enjoying himself on the court: http://www.nba.com/hawks/photos/min_011412_8.html
Ole Hawks's Fan
January 15th, 20122:52 am
Why is that guy giving play by play of the 76’s game? Who gives a F___K about what the 76′ers are DOING. He is on the wrong Blog! By the way …hiramsaint ………………….AINTS lose again.
January 15th, 20122:53 am
Management seriously has to look at the option that if either Deron or Dwight are on FA market come that time, we should amnesty Joe and look to bring in one of those guys. Our pick can be used on a young SG, there are a lot in this draft who show promise Beal, Rivers, D. Lamb, Hardaway Jr, Ross, Barton.
Shouldn’t be as quick to make a move yet, amnesty is our trump card if either of those guys falls through the cracks.
Hawks Fan Down Under
January 15th, 20123:14 am
Terrible offense down the stretch again. WTF was JJ thinking by going iso then passing to Josh for a 3? Are they trying to lose the game?! Bailed out big time by Ivan scoring the last 4 points. I have zero confidence in this team offensively down the stretch. They showed it against Bulls and Heat and now T-Wolves. Cant see them winning a 7 game series with this offense if the games are tight.
January 15th, 20123:34 am
So in the first two post-Al games, the Hawks blow out a horrible team and squeak by a below average team. They get another bad team on Monday. I am interested to see how well they do in Jamal’s return on Wednesday though. They showed a lot of heart in coming back to win this one (well, Ivan did, at least) but I’m still not convinced they can hang with good teams with the big man rotation as it is right now. I’d still gladly do Kirk + Zaza for Kaman in a heartbeat.
January 15th, 20124:21 am
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January 15th, 20126:18 am
gwinett last night was the worst trafficever gettimg to the game. there was a gridlock coming and going because of other events at the ga dome. they had warned folks about it before the weekend but it doesnt help. parking was limited and cars going no where as far out as ivan allen and marietta which is i passed walking in from a lucky spot i got at least three quarters a mile away. it was so frustrating cops were yelling back at folks complaining about the lack if movement.
yes, atl fans are always late especially the area you sat last night but there were extenuating circumstances. it was also a pretty weak crowd period for a weekend but twolves were a factor there. too bad because love is really good and rubio a weak maravich imposter and fun to watch.
January 15th, 20127:02 am
bigman needed…don’t try to kill my Hinrich & Marvin for Okur & Morrow trade.
Nets are trying to play Okur starter minutes (30+). That’s crazy. One interesting fact though, Jefferson only had 3 defensive rebounds for the game. He was too busy standing by Okur at the 3 pt line. In stretches, he can neutralize the opposing center by drawing him out of the paint.
The best parts of my trade though: No more Marvin. Add 3 pt specialist Morrow. Clear an extra $4.2M in cap space for next year. Adding the 7 ft 3 pt shooting Okur is just a bonus. Gives us another look to throw at teams.
January 15th, 20128:33 am
MC: What is going on with Josh Smith’s free throws. He is going to become a liability. What has changed? He is a pro but 50% from the FT line is asking too much?
January 15th, 20128:45 am
Wow. T.S. is all over this blog these days. I was trying to read the reactions to the game, but he now comprises about 60% of the total comments It’s a bit crazy already. I gets he’s either really passionate or really bored, or maybe both.
At any rate, I agree with what Ron posted earlier about the Hawks making the playoffs as a 5-8 seed. I think that sounds very realistic. I expect them to defeat most of the losing teams and beat a few winning teams for a record that is between 34-33 to 38-28. I think that seems reasonable without Horford. Watch them so far, it seems like we are going to struggle against capable defensive teams unless we continue to hit outside shots at a high clip. Outside of Josh (who is an okay post-up option at best), and Joe, we have almost no one to throw the ball to in the post, and other than teague scoring on drives and Josh occasionally attacking the basket, we get almost no interior scoring. With that being said, we are going to have to continue to rely heavily on perimeter shots to score, and better defensive teams will make that difficult.
Also, on the defensive end, we now only have one guy to contest shots at the rim on a consistent basis (Josh), and not many good interior defenders. Zaza is okay defensively and Ivan definitely works hard, but he’s at a serious height disadvantage against most big men. With poor interior depth and lack of mobility from some of our big men (e.g. Collins), I expect Josh to pick up fouls at a higher rate and I also expect our team to give up a larger amount of points in the paint. I also expect our defensive ratings to drop from what they’ve been so far in the season.
I still expect us to be at or above average on both ends of the floor, which points to a record that is slightly above the .500 mark. Let’s see if that ends up being correct.
January 15th, 20128:47 am
I meant 34-32 not 34-33 in my last post.
January 15th, 20129:51 am
P.S. Im also know as Sautee.
January 15th, 20129:52 am
thats not my post at 8:47
January 15th, 201210:03 am
T.S. What bothers me more that any thing is that you have been right on the money about Al. He is my favorite player, so it makes it hard for me to accept the Truth, but I have taken the S e r um. Its true. Al is a very average player nothing spectacular. His 12 pts and 8rbs have been easily replaced by Zaza 10/10 and then a double double from Ivan Johnson. So we really haven’t missed Al because these guys are very capable of exceeding what Al brought to the table. So if I seem obsessed with defense of Al, I apologize. No harm meant, I don’t know who this is that imitating me, Ill take it as flattery, but the truth is you are right on the money.
Now, I going to try and stop talking about Al because he is no longer a factor. I wish him a speedy recovery. I will try not to let my obsession with a player on the injured reserve affect whats really happening on the court today.
One more thing T.S. I guess Ive become pretty obsessed with you as well. I write about you as much as the Hawks. Im not gay or any thing, I dont think. Ive just got some issues I need to work out.
Enjoy your blogging and freedom of speech.
January 15th, 201210:12 am
On a Saturday night, with no weather problems, ticket sales were 13,000? HA HA HA. Why does Atlanta have a basketball team? All that matters is baseball and college football.
January 15th, 201210:13 am
Grandmaster JeJe’s Observations From Last Night’s Game:
1) Can we please put this issue to rest: Marvin is a complete bust and may have the least upside of anyone on this team, perhaps including ZaZa. Don’t let his numbers fool you. Minnesota shrewdly put Wes Johnson on Joe, so that Luke Ridnour could guard Marvin. LUKE RIDNOUR! THE PLAYER CONSISTENTLY REGARDED AS ONE OF THE WORST PLAYERS IN THE NBA. What does Marvin do? Exactly what the Marvin Realists like Rod from College Park and I expect: He stands in the corner, and the few plays he tried to post him up, he had easy finishes at the rim, but lost the ball, ended up on the ground, or if he was lucky, he went to the free throw line. What a draft bust.
2) Kevin Love is amazing. I saw hints of Tim Duncan in his play. His offensive display is near impeccable and he is always going after the ball after every shot. Which leads to my next point…
3) When YOU GET THE REBOUND, IT ISN’T OVER YET. GUYS WILL GO AFTER THE BALL AND TRY STRIP IT. Good Lord, ZaZa.
4) ZaZa was horrendous. Awful defender, terrible rebounding.
5) Where the hell is Tracy McGrady? I saw Horford, with a torn pectoral muscle, at the game. T-Mac doesn’t even go to the games anymore. Do he and LD have a beef? I hope he is ready down the stretch of this season
6******) Our shots just weren’t falling in the 1st half. We had great looks. Vlad had great looks. We had good shots at the rim – they just were rimming out
7) Teague, if you are in the lane and there’s people at the basket, GO UP STRONG AND FINISH THE PLAY/GO TO THE LINE. He becomes too timid sometimes
Great free throw shooting. I guess we have been a little more rested lately.
9) Ice Cold Ivan! He is in my opinion one of the 5 best players on the team now with Horford out (Joe, Josh, Teague……?) I didn’t put T-Mac because I have no idea where this guy is anymore. All we ever hear is that he is out for the night. MC, is it possible to get some quotes from him?
10) Ricky Rubio can play. His jumpshot is ugly as hell, but he had TWO perfect behind-the-back passes. Only knock would be he dribbles wayyyy too much. Maybe it’s because players weren’t moving, but there was one play where he just ran Joe around the court for 15 seconds or so.
11) There was one point where (might’ve been after we got 71-53) a timeout was called and Josh was on the bench by himself, maybe with Horford, and Willie Green (might’ve been Sloan – can’t remember) was motioning for Josh to come be a part of the huddle.
12) How can Josh follow up 4-5 masterful games, some of the best basketball we’ve seen in 7 years, with such a shaky performance?
13) ZaZa was letting Pekovic go off on him. Pekovic looks like Kevin Love, but has tats and is probably about 40 pounds heavier
14) Joe in the 4th was on point. He and Ellington were going at it. I had a feeling Love would shoot a 3 at the buzzer
15) Officiating was ehhhh
16) Marvin sux
*Luke Ridnour – consistently regarded as one of the worst DEFENDERS in the NBA
January 15th, 201210:16 am
REV IN TAMPA-isn’t it gratifying to see this young man develop? Teague had 6 turnovers last night and didn’t get discouraged, didn’t look to the sidelines after each miscue, didn’t hang his head down in disgust and didn’t play scared or stop attacking. If Woodson had been on the sidelines, and he made his 1st mistake, he would have reacted like someone pulled the plug and let all of the air out of him. When you consider how often he attacks the basket, it’s amazing that he’s managed to keep his turnovers to a minimum.
He’s also the reason the Hawks are among the NBA leaders in fewest turnovers per gm. He’s also made it very difficult for teams to run hard double teams on JJ, which is why JJ is attacking the basket with so much success, and doing so with far fewer turnovers than in the past. We’re now running more, getting more easy baskets, and scoring in the paint more. Unlike in the past when we had total DEF liabilities at PG, and opposing PG were killing our perimeter and interior DEF, we’re now able to maintain pressure on the the ball.
Have you noticed how well we now switch and recover on DEF? Bibby couldn’t stay in front of anyone, fight over picks or recover, and Jamal wouldn’t try. We’re getting a lot more steals than in the past, which is far more valuable than blocks. Unlike a block, a steal guarantees a change of posssession and lost scoring opportunity. A block doesn’t guarantee a change of possession or a lost scoring opportunty. We’re now tied for 1st place with Orlando and have the 5th best record in the Eastern Conference.
We’re doing just as well, or better, than most of the Eastern Conference teams that have a so called TRUE CENTER.
January 15th, 201210:17 am
17) Pargo was pretty bad. He works on free throws and jumpshots before the game (usually the only Hawk) but I don’t know what happened
18) Ivan said he doesn’t know who many players in the NBA are. He has already guarded Bosh and Love, among others… Why not START him over ZaZa and let Z come off the bench?
19) I hope Marvin realizes now he is probably the worst player on this team and the only reason he starts is because he makes a lot of money. He should never be in in the 4th quarter unless 7 players get hurt (God Forbid) and he has to be in.
20) MARVIN COULDN’T DO WORK ON LUKE RIDNOUR. LMAO.
JUST LIKE HE SUCKS VS. KYLE KORVER
January 15th, 201210:18 am
What the F… ^^^
Anyways. Can LD teach these guys to start making free throws? They’ve cost two games already this year.
January 15th, 201210:23 am
Also, shoutouts to Willie Green. He has played really well lately and hit a monster 3 late in the game. Like I said, usually it’s him OR Pargo stepping up – usually not both
January 15th, 201210:24 am
Joe, okur could be a nice fit here. He was on the pistons team that won it all without a superstar, which is what we’re trying to do. It also has cap advantages. Im not sure if he’s the stretch the floor, bigman mismatch he used to be. This team needs inte
January 15th, 201210:30 am
joe, okur could bring a lot to the table and has cap advantages, but what this team needed even with Al, was interior toughness, rebounding and size. Okur at this stage of his career doesnt seem to be doing a lot of that.
He was in the detroit team that won it all without a superstar so maybe he could tell us how they did that
January 15th, 201210:45 am
I would take 5 Ivan Johnsons any day. If Joe Johnson had a little Ivan in him, he would average 25 points per game. Hope Ivan rubs off on these scrubs and whiners…
January 15th, 201210:48 am
Al Horford is “SOFT” Joe Johnson is “SOFT” Marvin is “SUPERSOFT” Still need 1 more Tough guy.
January 15th, 201211:09 am
Heat Fan was on point.
12 assists for Ricky
January 15th, 201211:11 am
NAJEH-Kaman is a starter for the Hornets, so why would they trade a starter for 2 backups, one of which is on IR? And why would the Hawks trade Hinrich’s $8.1M expiring contract when they’re looking to get below the luxury tax and clear space to possibly sign someone in the off season. The Hawks are actually slightly above the luxury tax limit.
I believe the organization is more interested in making and excelling in the playoffs than excelling in the regular season. They seem content to ride what we currently have until Hinrich’s return, which should be sometime next month, and Horford returns, which should be in time for the playoffs. I believe management is looking ahead at going into the playoffs with a starting lineup of JJ, Teague, Horford, Josh and Marvin. Our bench will be TMac, Zaza, Hinrich, Ivan, Green, VRad, and Twin.
Rod from College Park
January 15th, 201211:17 am
“1) Can we please put this issue to rest: Marvin is a complete bust and may have the least upside of anyone on this team, perhaps including ZaZa. Don’t let his numbers fool you. Minnesota shrewdly put Wes Johnson on Joe, so that Luke Ridnour could guard Marvin. LUKE RIDNOUR! THE PLAYER CONSISTENTLY REGARDED AS ONE OF THE WORST PLAYERS IN THE NBA. What does Marvin do? Exactly what the Marvin Realists like Rod from College Park and I expect: He stands in the corner, and the few plays he tried to post him up, he had easy finishes at the rim, but lost the ball, ended up on the ground, or if he was lucky, he went to the free throw line. What a draft bust.”
January 15th, 201211:44 am
If Horford had played, I don’t know that our defense would have been any better. Maybe he could’ve stopped Pekovic (who?) on a few of those plays.
January 15th, 201212:19 pm
Kaman is on an expiring deal and several playoff teams could use someone with his skills and size. Plus hornets going nowhere and wont resign him so kaman will get shipped before deadline. A first rounder is about all they can ask especially in light of kaman’s struggles this year. Hornets will not want to take on salary in a kaman trade so i dont know that we can realistically put a package together for him.
January 15th, 20121:35 pm
Kaman has stated he wishes to sign an extension with N.O.
January 15th, 20121:49 pm
Which lineup did we use in the home Miami game (3OT) in order to get back into it? Duck, Smoove, and Al were on the bench. I’m sure it was almost identical to the one we used when we recovered from the 71-53 deficit last night. Obviously Twin wasn’t in in the Miami game
January 15th, 20122:20 pm
I was alternating watching this game on my phone and listening to this game on Sirius radio on my way to Birmingham last night. LOL @ this game.
First off, Steve Holman is hilarious calling the game on the radio. I haven’t heard him call a game in a while, and I forgot how condescending he can be when the Hawks are playing bad. He sounded like the fans, complaining of all of the jumpers Josh was taking, talking about JJ’s cold shooting, and the lack of energy from the Hawks.
At one point, Josh was 2 – 9 FG, and Holman was absolutely disgusted. Even after he hit his next two jumpers, Holman still pointed out that he was taking too many jumpshots.
He was almost begging for a spark to get us back in the game. And it came as soon as Josh went to the bench in the 3rd quarter.
While Ivan will get all of the accolades ( and he should ), my game ball goes to Larry Drew. It goes to Drew because after he put Collins on Kevin Love ( along with Ivan ), Love was essentially shut down. Once that happened, all the Hawks had to do is start making shots, and they did.
And unlike in the Miami game in which Ivan was playing well, Drew didn’t sit Smith on the bench too long, and get him back in the game.
As for Collins, it’s exactly how he should be used. Only use him against teams that run the majority of their offense through a post player down on the blocks. If Bargnani plays against us tomorrow, there’s no way Collins should see the floor.
January 15th, 20122:23 pm
From csnchicago.com; This is what the Bulls say, despite having more depth in the frontcourt.
Bulls general manager Gar Forman made it clear before the Bulls first home game on Bulls Pregame Live that the team is actively looking to add a veteran big when the right fit presents itself..
What do the Hawks say, despite losing their starting center for the season?
“There is nothing been discussed [about a roster move],” Drew told the Atlanta Journal-Constitution..
Are you content to finish the season with ZaZa and Twin as our centers? Dont you think the Hawks should add somebody for emergency (especially with the short schedule)? And you do realize Al is out 3-4 months, so there is no guarantee he will return in time for the playoffs.
January 15th, 20122:27 pm
I thought you would be bigging up JJ for his shot making in the 4th.
But what’s up with Josh and his FTs? 33-68 (.485%)? Wow.
January 15th, 20122:31 pm
northcyde, i thought ivan was in love’s pocket on defense. it was true for early in the game when love was 6 and 3 and stayed that way until josh came back on him and yhen late when he eas about 28 and 12. btw it is very hard to keep up with ibdividual stats at games and it takes away from knowing a bit more about the game ypu are attending. it is very hard to read the stats on the scoreboard when they flash them up there.
anyway love played pf with petro and mili at center for collins to guard. they both gave love a lot of attention snd it bothered love. i have now seen ivan shut down two all stars in love and bosh when called upon because those two guys were killing it. the two centers for twolves are perfect for collins as they are statues themselves.
January 15th, 20122:42 pm
“Kaman is a starter for the Hornets, so why would they trade a starter for 2 backups, one of which is on IR? And why would the Hawks trade Hinrich’s $8.1M expiring contract when they’re looking to get below the luxury tax and clear space to possibly sign someone in the off season. The Hawks are actually slightly above the luxury tax limit.”
Kaman and Kirk are both expiring and neither one adds any long term salary obligation. Acquiring him wouldn’t hinder the Hawks’ plans to clear cap space at all; in fact it would help, since Zaza is not expiring. The trade helps the Hawks obviously since Kaman would instantly be a legit presence at center (which Zaza is not).
I concede that it is less clear how it helps the Hornets, but let me give you one possibility. The Lakers have a sizable trade exception from the Lamar Odom trade, and they need a point guard who can knock down shots and play D. If the Hornets acquire Kirk, they could then trade him into the Lakers’ trade exception for picks. I can’t confirm this with the trade machine, but the Hawks could even try to make this work as a three-way trade with the Lakers and Hornets.
In any case, Kaman is really playing out of position at power forward for them right now, and getting rid of him would clear up playing time for some of their younger players like Al-Farouq Aminu.
Yes, this takes the Hawks into the luxury tax slightly, but if they are serious about contending, it’s about time they say f-ck the luxury tax.
January 15th, 20122:46 pm
Bulls will most definitely lose Asik this year in FA, they got him as a HUGE steal in some draft and really has helped them, but he is going to demand big money in the off-season because he is one of the best defending and rebounding bigs in the league also he is unrestricted so he can go wherever he wants.
January 15th, 20122:47 pm
“I believe the organization is more interested in making and excelling in the playoffs than excelling in the regular season. They seem content to ride what we currently have until Hinrich’s return, which should be sometime next month, and Horford returns, which should be in time for the playoffs. I believe management is looking ahead at going into the playoffs with a starting lineup of JJ, Teague, Horford, Josh and Marvin. Our bench will be TMac, Zaza, Hinrich, Ivan, Green, VRad, and Twin.”
I agree with you on this — I think Sund would ideally just sit on his hands, squeak into the playoffs, and hope Al is ready for Round 1. I think it’s foolish to assume this is going to happen, though. I am not sold on the Hawks’ ability to make the playoffs with this team, and Sund shouldn’t be either. It’s better to be proactive and make sure the team has the personnel to make it there.
January 15th, 20122:49 pm
Give me either the Russian (Mozgov) or Turkish (Asik) brute at C anyday over some of these guys.
January 15th, 20122:52 pm
Should have found a way to make the Jamal for Asik trade work in the offseason before they signed Rip Hamilton.
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