Atlanta Hawks: Pacers 96, Hawks 84

Indianapolis–The Hawks were short-handed, they didn’t play well for two of the three competitive quarters, and Indiana was good. It all added up to a beatdown that Atlanta’s third-stringers made look more respectable.

  • Larry Drew said Al Horford will be reevaluated when the team returns to Atlanta. The Hawks said the initial diagnosis was a strained left shoulder. Horford wasn’t in the locker room after the game during my time in there.
  • Tracy McGrady said he’s not sure if he will be available vs. Charlotte tomorrow. “This morning, I felt a little tight in my back but I didn’t think it was going to be anything serious to keep me out,” he said.
  • Clearly Atlanta’s offense suffers without Horford, McGrady and Marvin Williams. It suffers even more against a good defensive team like the Pacers.
  • But the Hawks made a run at it in the second quarter, when they scored 14 of their 30 points in the paint, earned 10 free-throw attempts (making seven) and had just one turnover. It came apart in the third quarter, when they had four field goals, three free-throw attempts and six turnovers.
  • “We missed a lot of shots, some easy layups,” Drew said. “We turned the ball over. Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong in that third quarter.”
  • “I thought our ball movement wasn’t good enough and our energy was not high enough out there,” Joe Johnson said. “Losing Al hurt a lot. He’s a good low-post scorer for us. He’s also a high-energy guy. He’s a big piece of what we do.”
  • Al came out looking like he was going to take it to Roy Hibbert, size disadvantage be damned. That fall on the blocked shot looked bad, though.
  • The Hawks actually had nine shots in the paint in the third quarter compared to 10 attempts in the second. But they made just three of those tries in the third after making seven in the second quarter.
  • In the third quarter, Jeff Teague missed two shots at the rim and Ivan Johnson, Jannero Pargo and Zaza Pachulia each missed one.
  • Some of that was the Roy Hibbert effect. When guys went to the basket, you could see them taking extra dribbles and double-clutching. All that did was give Hibbert (four of Indian’s 10 blocked shots) more time to recover.
  • Zaza absorbed most of Horford’s minutes and was good offensively with 11 points on six shots and strong on the boards as usual. But he couldn’t keep Hibbert away from the basket or challenge the many Pacers who sliced into the lane.
  • “I think we gave up too many easy points in the paint,” Josh Smith said. “You make it harder to get some stops. Hibbert is a tall glass of water. When you let him catch it around that smiley face and be able to lean in like that, it’s basically a layup. Then they knocked down some open jump shots.”
  • Collins did a good job keeping Hibbert away from the basket but the pace in the third quarter was too much for him. He did manage four rebounds in 12 minutes, good production for him.
  • While Hibbert was dropping in buckets down low, Danny Granger was lighting it up from outside. “They are playing more of an inside-out game,” Teague said.
  • Johnson and Granger always go hard at each other. Granger was the clear winner tonight once Johnson failed to score after halftime.
  • Atlanta’s defense overall was bad during the parts of the game that mattered but Johnson was particularly guilty of losing his man on the perimeter.
  • I’ve covered a lot of games in this building, always sitting underneath the goal near the visitor’s bench. I never say much about officiating one way or another but I’m always amazed how officials let the Pacers beat up on the visiting team, especially around the basket. Seriously, I’ve probably watched 10 games from that seat and it’s the same thing every time.
  • That being said, the Hawks didn’t always stay focused in spite of the contact. Josh especially seemed to let the no-calls bother him and picked up a technical and a couple cheap fouls.
  • The Hawks have to know that’s how it’s going to be here. “We was expecting it,” Joe said. “When Al went down, that was a tough break for us. In that second half we didn’t come out with the intensity we needed.”
  • I can see why Ivan Johnson is a fan favorite. He provides good energy. But he’s also a turnover machine, takes too many jumpers (and shoots too much considering the company he keeps on the floor) and sometimes is too brazen when he goes the basket.
  • However, that was an impressive steal for an and-1 dunk. Dude has wheels for his size. He should have been a linebacker.
  • The Hawks may have to figure out how to score for at least another game without one or two of Horford, McGrady and Williams or maybe all three. “We have to preach ball movement,” Josh said. “Stress it and do it. Otherwise we will have another outing like we had tonight. We can’t have isolation all the time. We have got to spread the ball around, spread the love and get everyone involved.”
  • Lou Amundson went bush league and tried to score with the shot clock off in the final seconds. Collins came over and gave him a hard foul to let him know that’s not cool. Collins got a Flagrant 2 and an ejection for the move.
  • “You dribble the clock out in that situation if you are a true professional,” Collins said. “That was not a Flagrant 2. I gave him a hard foul, that’s all I did. He went in to try to dunk the basketball, first of all. If you are going to stop a dunk you have to deliver a hard foul. That’s all that was.”
  • Lance Stephenson, noted head case from his days back at Cincinnati, seemed to be really proud of his career-high 12 points. He kept flexing at Atlanta’s bench in garbage time. Hawks players didn’t like it, though a couple guys just laughed at him.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

138 comments Add your comment

Grandmaster JeJe

January 11th, 2012
11:20 pm

FIRST

FIRE LD

Grandmaster JeJe

January 11th, 2012
11:24 pm

Love the last 3 bullet points, MC.

LOL ppl compared Lance to JJ and TMac when he was in Hs.

Kobe, with his 30 gruesome injuries, had 48 last night. Joe did not even score in the 2nd half

Grandmaster JeJe

January 11th, 2012
11:25 pm

Duck will miss 5 weeks or be extremely ineffective if he returns soon.

He will be timid regardless

Grandmaster JeJe

January 11th, 2012
11:27 pm

MC, watch your comments on Ivan. Need to beware of your own safety when talking about Ivan like that. He could pick up a T in retaliation.

NUNNA!!

January 11th, 2012
11:28 pm

5th Tricks!!

NUNNA!!

January 11th, 2012
11:31 pm

Grandmaster and everyone else,i have one question and i will hang up..

With the off again on again play that we’re doing,do u think its possible that the hawks will be .500 sometime within the next 30 days?

I don’t expect it to be but,u never know with this team..
I say if its no major changes on the roster then YES!!

BRING BACK MAGNUM ROLLE!!

Grandmaster JeJe

January 11th, 2012
11:33 pm

“The Hawks have to know that’s how it’s going to be here. “We was expecting it,” Joe said. “When Al went down, that was a tough break for us. In that second half we didn’t come out with the intensity we needed.”

****
yeah God Forbid our maximum contract player has to set an example and come out with the intensity the rest of our team can follow

1. Kobe
2. Wade

3. Joe

Grandmaster JeJe

January 11th, 2012
11:34 pm

Nunna,

We will stay a few games above .500.

SSDY

Grandad

January 11th, 2012
11:34 pm

Just got here;
quit watching the game;
sometimes you have a game like that.

I did not feel as if the hawks mailed it in.
However, I did miss the 1st half.
3rd Qtr and beginning of 4th the Hawks were scrapping
but were also just spinning their wheels.
Indy was getting away with rugged play inside, but,
thats where we need to man up and play through.
Still – every now and then – you have one of those.

Indy 10 blocked shots and countless others affected,
either by contact or intimidation.

We are woefully undersized.
We must, have to, are compelled, sine qua non, and besides all that;
it’s essential that we get a legit Big !
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Oh yeah……………….
It seems to me that when Al went out …
maybe, just maybe, we were missing his presence.
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JaeEvolution

January 11th, 2012
11:41 pm

Zaza, Vlad and Phx 2nd rounder for Mozgof and Faried.

If they say no to Faried, ask for Brewer reunite Al and his buddy ole pal…

JaeEvolution

January 11th, 2012
11:45 pm

Lance ‘Born Ready’ Stephenson clowning on the Hawks for dropping 12, that is pretty laughable.

Ryan

January 11th, 2012
11:51 pm

Kudos to Collins!

JSS

January 11th, 2012
11:53 pm

MC. A little U-C vs U-L hate there?

Prison Mike

January 11th, 2012
11:54 pm

Hawks should have went to big lineup of

JT
JJ
JS
AH
JC

Missing players like Tmac, Marv, and Kirk they needed to maximize the roster but I digress. Teague, Pargo, Rad didn’t show up.

SteveW

January 12th, 2012
12:01 am

Grandad – Did Ajinca ever get signed? He’d be a good “Hibbert Lite” maybe.

SteveW

January 12th, 2012
12:05 am

Not to excuse JJ – But when your down 3 of your top 6 players, it is going to affect you usually. I had a bad feeling about this game anyway. I still think we can beat the ‘Cats tonite.

And only 1 back to back between now and Feb. 14-15 – amazing. I think the rest are basically one on and one off between now and then, besides the 1 back to back..

SteveW

January 12th, 2012
12:06 am

Yea if you count Hinrich, we might have been without 4 of our top 7 players last nite.

Scrooge McDuck

January 12th, 2012
12:08 am

Well, there’s your taste of the Hawks without Horford.

Lottery.

tyger

January 12th, 2012
12:21 am

Enough said:

J. Teague G 27:49 2-10 0-1 1-2 -13 0 2 2 3 0 2 3 1 2 5

Harry Hawk

January 12th, 2012
12:24 am

T-Mac played about 30 minutes against the Heat in that triple-OT game.

He hasn’t played more than 8:45 in the four games (and missed two of those) following that loss.

Scrooge McDuck

January 12th, 2012
12:25 am

Not a good sign when a team is this dependant on a first-year starter (Teague).

Drew is a waste.

jasper

January 12th, 2012
12:34 am

Tmacs body falling apart. its quiet sad. he still has a ton of game but the body just is not letting him to do it. Granted he is also very soft and dosent like to play through injuries

Slimjr

January 12th, 2012
12:37 am

Kobe goes for 48 with a torn ligament in his shooting hand last night? Are you kidding?

NOT HAPPY

January 12th, 2012
12:47 am

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 12th, 2012
12:48 am

Well there you go Hawks. Could’ve traded for Horford and picks for Leuer and Bogut but no.

You got to see Ivan at the “small forward”. Yeah right, Ivan aint no shooter and Smith was on the perimeter. And you got to see Iso Vlad…

SMDH
Ask for 7′0 Leuer + 7′0 Bogut. Recieve 6′9 Vlad + 6′9 Horford.
Yeah I’m putting Horford at 6′9 because that’s how he plays.

Size disadvantage be damned? Or damning.

MC said it himself. Disadvantage. Taller guy blocks Al and then smacks him to the ground.
Refs reaction? what is this midget doing in the paint?

IF YOU WANT THE CHAMPIONSHIP GET BIGGER, Napoleon complex be damned.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 12th, 2012
12:53 am

Napoleon complexes be damned. Get bigger.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 12th, 2012
1:18 am

looks like T-Mac is gonna start up faking injuries

If I had my way

Teague, Johnson, Smith, 7′0 Leuer, 7′0 Bogut
Hinrich, Williams, McGrady, Radmanovic, Pachulia

Tired of this small chickenHawks crap.

JaeEvolution

January 12th, 2012
1:55 am

I thought our loss last Thursday was bad, well it was, but Miami and Lebron are going to get TORE apart for this performance by the media and fans alike…so much hate for this team it’s amazing.

JaeEvolution

January 12th, 2012
1:56 am

Not to mention they choked at the line worse than we did a week ago, damn.

TMACfan

January 12th, 2012
2:01 am

I don’t think you guys understand McGrady. He will NOT play if there is anything wrong with his body unless the championship is on the line. He learned from when he played in the 2008 playoffs even though his knee needed surgery badly and now you guys can see where he’s at now. Cut him some slack, don’t ask him to be the scoring load cause it won’t happen. Keep what you get and be happy. Trust me I miss him more than anyone.

Prison Mike

January 12th, 2012
2:03 am

MC, can you ask why there is no free throw coach on staff. Josh needs to to move a few inches to his right at the line or something because he’s leaving a ton of points out there.

NOT HAPPY

January 12th, 2012
2:13 am

I guess we are only paying him the vet minimum so its not a big loss with his back injury. People got excited over Radman, but the fact is he is nothing more then a shooter. It’s paramount for him that his shot is on because otherwise he brings nothing else to the tabel.

real talk

January 12th, 2012
2:42 am

What yall don’t understand is that tmac is fine. He’s not playing because he doesn’t want to play for LD garbage azz. His body ain’t breaking down. Pay attention, tmac hadn’t complained about backs spasms since being a knick(two years ago). If he was given the respect, which he so kindly deserve, to play big min and crunch time situations, I personally guarantee he would be playing. Read two blogs ago, tmac ” I’ve worked to hard to sit”. That there sounds like an unhappy player. He was brought in to take over J Crawford role but hasn’t at all got the green light to fill in that role. He is disappointed that Vald gets the start before he do. Read between the lines. He doesn’t want to play for LD and will probably seek a trade if LD doesn’t give that Crawford role. And that’s REAL TALK!

real talk

January 12th, 2012
2:52 am

Read between the lines! Al is playing yall. He’s trynna prove to everybody that he shouldnt be playing the 5. So he waits to play a legit center to prove he can’t bang wit centers. If you can’t smell that from a mile away then you just don’t know the NBA and players function.

Dukester

January 12th, 2012
2:55 am

Well for the last 3 years I have complained that we dont have a center. I suggested just about every center we could get either through trade or free angency with out messing up the “core”.
Sports with goals and nets like basketball, hoceky and soccer must have a defender assigned to protect that goal. Look at the teams that make that a priority they are almost always good defensively. Paint protection and rebounding is the most important part of basketball.
If you think this team has a chance with Zaza and twin playing center you will be sadly disappointed. Al Horford wasnt playing center before he was hurt, we had him listed at center but we really play with 3 forwards. This is not an idictment on Al its on management for not addressing this issue. I will watch from afar. Good luck

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

January 12th, 2012
3:07 am

Good coaches find a way to win when people are hurt.

FIRE LD

real talk

January 12th, 2012
3:11 am

Tmac is averaging 19 min through 9 games. Doesn’t look like Jamals 30 min a min a game. Just adding this to my point of view.

Crazy_88

January 12th, 2012
4:05 am

Its still very early in the season fellas so lets chill with the ” witch hunt” If this was the post season Tracy would’ve played but since its just 11 games into a compact season – there’s no reason for dude to go out and try and play ” Hero Ball “. Too many new faces on the team and not enough practice time is the main reason why the new guys have yet to develop steady chemistry with one another. Tracy hasn’t really looked for his offense as much and has been trying to get his second unit guys more into the flow game first and looking for his offense second – dude has a high basketbalk IQ and knows that he has to tone down his game with this group til everybody completely gels with one another.I would like to see LD play Tracy more as a ” point forward” because he is a gifted passer and playmaker along with putting him down on the left or right elbow more. I’m not sure how thick LD offense playbook is but so far everything looks like an Isolation or lob play on either side of the court, I would like to see him run more plays for Horford and Tracy in the pick n roll instead of just having JJ, Josh and Teague dominate the ball for 20 seconds of the shot clock. I get it…he’s trying to coach Teague up at the 1 but there’s no excuse for everybody else to dribbling the air out of the ball at times. I suspect that once we get thru 3/4 of the season (40 games) that he will shorten the rotation to 8 players and that’s when we will see Tracy receive a steady diet of 25-30 minutes per game.

real talk

January 12th, 2012
4:28 am

I sure hope so crazy 88. I just have that feeling that if LD doesn’t show him some proper respect, he’s not going to play like McGrady.

Adam Keefe

January 12th, 2012
4:42 am

The pacers did an excellent job of scouting Jeff Teague and forced him left all night because its pathetic to see a pro who is unable to finish with his left hand.. They kept funneling him left and he kept trying to force awkard layups on the left side of the court with his right hand…I almost puked..

harryia the hawk

January 12th, 2012
6:19 am

Tmacs knee will fall out of it’s socket if he were average 30 minutes a game at this stage of his career. he still has the ability to take over a game, but his body is shot

Grandmaster JeJe

January 12th, 2012
6:44 am

Grandad

January 12th, 2012
7:03 am

SteveW

To the best of my knowledge;
Ajinca is playing in France, he signed in Dec with SIG Strasbourg.
I do not know the particulars e g, can he get out of his contract ?

PEDRO EL GITANO

January 12th, 2012
7:03 am

Pobre Al Horford alma de cantaro…tal vez haya que repescar o fichar a un pivot.Zaza puede hacer numeros parecidos,pero tiene las mismas limitaciones de inmovilidad.Son cinturas de hierro.
Los Pacers fueron superiores,en este momento son mejor equipo que nuestros hawks.Por otro lado no me preocupa que T-Mac no juegue ahora,lo que hay que buscar es que este bien en playoffs.Mientras tanto habra que habilitar minutos para Ivan cuando Radman no este inspirado(algo que sucede con asiduidad)
GO HAWKS!!!!

Grandmaster JeJe

January 12th, 2012
7:09 am

Real talk may have a point.

Grandad

January 12th, 2012
7:23 am

I really get tired of picking on Joe;
but last eve was evidence of who Joe is but even more so,
who and what Joe is incapable of doing.
When the team was down, injuries, plus on the road, out-sized,
team playing poorly, refs helping the home team, … yet Joe …
not the kind of guy to put the team on his back and carry.

Unfortunately, we all knew this and did not expect as much.

Joe is going to carry the burden of his contract just as Marv
has carried the burden of being drafted ahead of Chris Paul.

Neither his fault.
None of us would have turned down the $.
But with privilege [$] comes resonsibility.
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We need a legit Big !

The Spook who sat by the door

January 12th, 2012
7:23 am

Slimjr,

To piggyback off your Kobe stat FTPB:

Kobe – 8qtrs.(2 games) – 88pts; 22pts./qtr.

The Spook who sat by the door

January 12th, 2012
7:25 am

Slimjr,

My correction…that should be 11pts./qtr.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 12th, 2012
7:35 am

The Hawks have been too small inside since Dikembe rolled out. Al and Josh said they need some SIZE help inside – but, ASKG go and get Jason Collins to loose weight instead, this year Twin has muscles.

Last night was not some epiphany … It was just old news. Why does everyone seem surprised. When Al asks for help … His haters want him to man up, play big and they call him soft and whiney! Al should just QUIT on this team. D12 ain’t coming here and I ain’t going to Phillip’s Arena … Not when I can stay home, flip channels and drink affordable imported beers.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 12th, 2012
7:38 am

* lose weight