Atlanta Hawks at Nets: Game thread

Newark, N.J.Marvin Williams (ankle) is not on the trip. Vladimir Radmanovic will replace him at small forward. Brook Lopez (foot), Damion James (foot) and Mehmet Okur (back) are out for the Nets. DeShawn Stevenson (knee) was a late scratch.

  • Drew said he didn’t consider replacing Williams in the lineup with Tracy McGrady. Instead, the choice was between starting Vlad Rad or using the “big” lineup with Jason Collins at center.
  • Drew on how Vlad Rad fits with the starters: “I think he plays really well with them. I’ve been looking to play him more with the starters’ group. It’s certainly a comfortable fit for him. He seems to just play better when he’s in the lineup with the starters because he does what he does. He’s a 3-point shooter, he stretches the defense. They really do a good job getting him the ball. He’s made the adjustment.”
  • According to basketballvalue.com, Vlad Rad has played 14 minutes alongside Jeff Teague, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and Al Horford. His offensive numbers with that group are through the roof after the big shooting night on Saturday.
  • Drew on Vlad Rad’s defense at the 3: “He’s got size, he’s got speed and he’s got quickness. Tonight’s matchup [now vs. MarShon Brooks], it’s just a matter of him not losing shooters on the perimeter. He’s a guy who likes to help defensively. He really focuses on playing help defense, sometimes to a fault.”
  • Drew on the rotation behind Smith at power forward: “We will play Ivan [Johnson] at some four, move and play Al at more four and go big with Zaza [Pachulia] or Twin. We will see how the game goes.”
  • The Hawks are missing some production and efficiency without Marvin. Some of his team ranks, according to Basketball Reference: tied for first in points per 36 minutes, third in rebounds per 36, fourth in steals per 36 among the regulars, lowest turnover rate among the regulars, and fourth in true-shooting percentage among the regulars.
  • Johnson has ditched the brace for his right thumb. “I don’t like wearing it,” he said. “It’s a little uncomfortable. It’s been feeling pretty good lately.” He said it feels better after days off or if he can make it through a game without getting it whacked.
  • The Hawks still haven’t had a full practice since the season started. They didn’t practice or walk through yesterday. They had a shootaround today. “We got after it a little bit and broke a little sweat,” Horford said.
  • “We welcomed that day off,” Drew said. “It seemed like we were playing about every day. That was a very challenging part of our schedule. We certainly welcomed that day off. I am just curious to see how our guys respond after that stretch and after that big win.”
  • “For us, the key is to be able to come out with good energy and just make sure we play our game,” Horford said. “It’s going to be tough but every team in the league is going through it.”
  • Zaza said Vlad Rad did not eat Georgian food today like he did before his big game Saturday. “I can’t afford to feed him every day. Maybe it will carry over.”
  • Thanks to the blog people who wished me well with my illness. I’m at about 75 percent now. Sorry about the troll problem lately. I do what I can to control it.
  • During a NyQuil coma last night, I dreamed that Josh came up to me on the sideline during a game and yelled at me to Google Jannero Pargo. When I couldn’t get my computer to work, Josh cussed me out: “How [bleeping] hard is it to Google Pargo?!” Then the fans started yelling at me because the game was being held up while I tried to Google Pargo.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

369 comments Add your comment

Hawks4Eva

January 9th, 2012
7:18 pm

We cannot take this game tonight lightly. Let’s get it over with early. This team cannot take ANYTHING for granted.Enter your comments here

Hawks4Eva

January 9th, 2012
7:21 pm

Let’s hop Josh miss that first jump shop tonight. Hopefully it will reinforce his need to get some post up shots tonight.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 9th, 2012
7:21 pm

I’d rather the game be held up to let you Google Pargo rather than because of the shot clock malfunctioning again like it does every time the Hawks are on national TV.

LimeLight

January 9th, 2012
7:24 pm

Lets pray that Al will play defense…..for once.

Hawks4Eva

January 9th, 2012
7:25 pm

MC –

What a dream dude.

O'Brien

January 9th, 2012
7:27 pm

Speaking of Vlad, LD said It’s certainly a comfortable fit for him. He seems to just play better when he’s in the lineup with the starters because he does what he does..

The same could be said for Teague last year, but LD was not smart enough to try Teague with the starters and bring Bibby off the bench.

Grandad

January 9th, 2012
7:27 pm

LimeLight ….. [from last blog]

Perhaps I was rash and came too harsh.

1st
Your statement about switching is problematic;
if you know basketball as you say.
-your contention being- “the Hawks switch to cover for Al”
They are certainly using more switches than a year ago, but,
they are going multiple;
switching, some zone, trapping, some press, hedge & recover,
as well as straight up man responsibility.
More depth and smarter players [T-Mac + Radman]
being the obvious reasoning for some of that.

2nd
-name your source-
or were you there ? … fistfight ?

You as well; have a wonderful evening.
Go Hawks !

Hawks4Eva

January 9th, 2012
7:27 pm

Would have LOVED for Charles Barkley to have been on the national broadcast during the Falcons playoff disaster. Would have did this franchise some good…

I digress….Had to get that last bitter Falcon pill down.

Now its Hawks TIME to RISE UP…..Hopefully the local writers will jump on this bandwagon that is the HAWKS.

vava74

January 9th, 2012
7:28 pm

V-Rad on Marshon Brooks WILL NOT WORK.
That kid has star potential and will light us up.
JJ trying hard barely kept up with him.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
7:28 pm

from MC’s last blog comments: Teague/Joe/Josh/Vlad/Al
This just might be our best lineup.

A stretch 4 between Josh and Al is what we need if we’re going to keep em both. Vlad can hold that spot down temporarily. lol
Al, just man up, rebound the b-ball, and play some defense. Thats all we need from you. Thanks.
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CNNSI Scouts Write ups on Marvin…

“I don’t know if Marvin Williams will ever be able to overcome the fact that he was picked too high in the [2005] draft at No. 2, ahead of Deron Williams and Chris Paul. I would argue that Williams has maybe turned into a better pick than Andrew Bogut, who was No. 1 that year. It was a very promising sign that Williams developed his three-point range last year. The difference between shooting the three as opposed to the 17-footer has to do with the spacing. It becomes more difficult for defenders to either suck into the paint to help while still being aware of a shooter like Williams at the three-point line. The Hawks missed him over the second half of the year when he was hurt. He still doesn’t have a bread-and-butter move that will allow him to score anytime. He has developed as a catch-and-shoot guy, which makes him a complementary player. He’ll occasionally surprise you with a quick move off the dribble to dunk on you, so he’s an OK athlete. He can be a 17-to-18-point scorer eventually. At the other end of the floor, he’s a decent defender because he makes the effort.
-cnnsi, anonymous scout 2009-2010

“Marvin Williams is not tough enough to play as a big forward. He’s not quick enough to excel at the 3 and he’s not a great shooter. He doesn’t perform one skill at a high level. He has length and some skills, but he’s not going to blow by anybody. If there’s a size mismatch, he can take advantage of it by posting up the smaller 3s, and he might be able to go by some power forwards who are not as mobile. He gets his points in transition because he can run the floor, where his athleticism can compensate for his good-but-not-great skills. In certain matchups he’ll do well, but most of the time he’s out of place.”
-cnnsi, anonymous scout 2010-2011

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
7:30 pm

And people complaining about Al’s defense?

There’s man to man and then there’s help defense (shot blocking and shot altering). I feel us Hawks fans should differentiate!

Luke Cage

January 9th, 2012
7:31 pm

SWEET CHRISTMAS!!!

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
7:32 pm

vava74: V-Rad on Marshon Brooks WILL NOT WORK.

It’s semantics, Smith we’ll switch onto him OR we’ll start Vlad on Brooks and funnel him to Smith and hope he doesn’t drop off the pass for dunks. Or draw fouls on Smith.

Or just maybe Brooks cant get past Vlad and score on his height. We’ll see.

Hawks4Eva

January 9th, 2012
7:33 pm

Orlando Sentinel: “Otis Smith confirmed Howard has not taken his trade request off the table and that Howard’s agent still has permission to speak with three, and only three, teams: the Dallas Mavericks, the Los Angeles Lakers and the New Jersey Nets.”

Why would Dwight still want to go to New Jersey? Why isn’t ATL on this list? We have more pieces to offer the Magic I would think.

Oh well. Be thankful for what we got…..as long as we play like we did against Chicago last game.

vava74

January 9th, 2012
7:34 pm

Smith. Leuer. Bogut,

Marvin’s scouting report back’s my view that Marvin should be used as a 6th man both at the SF and PF positions. Depending on match ups and production from the incumbent starters.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
7:35 pm

And Marvin’s #s are skewed from NJ and WAS. Glad he doesn’t get to pad stats against a garbage team again. 6′5 Brooks at the 3 vs. Marvin might help Marvin blind the fans again with tales of starter redemption… Bench Marvin permanently.

Luke Cage

January 9th, 2012
7:39 pm

If Dwight Howard doesn’t want to come to ATL then I say THE HECK with him, why trade your roster for a clown that will bolt after the season, now if he agrees to an extension cool, but if not FORGET THAT CLOWN!!

Blast

January 9th, 2012
7:40 pm

Let’s get it!

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
7:41 pm

Marvin’s scouting report back’s my view that Marvin should be used as a 6th man both at the SF and PF positions. Depending on match ups and production from the incumbent starters.
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I agree Marvin can be dominant against most backups. Also, he might get confidence and floss his. McGrady and Marvin on the bench could be very successful. Green, Pargo…

But the scouting report saying Marvin is the core member who should be benched for size is years old. But now we’ve realized we need size AND shooting/spacing on most nights.

ANDRE IGLUODALA

January 9th, 2012
7:41 pm

EARLY 2ND QUARTER 76ERS UP BY 11 OVER PACERS, LOU WILLIAMS AND THAD YOUNG ON FIRE

Blast

January 9th, 2012
7:42 pm

Curious to see how full this stadium gets.

Najeh Davenpoop

January 9th, 2012
7:43 pm

Joe playing good D on Brooks.

ANDRE IGLUODALA

January 9th, 2012
7:44 pm

76ERS PLAYING W/ALOT OF EBERGY TONIGHT COMING OFF THAT 35 POINT BLOWOUT OVER THE RAPTORS

Luke Cage

January 9th, 2012
7:44 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

January 9th, 2012
7:45 pm

I feel bad for Deron Williams. It’s not like he asked to be traded from Utah.

ANDRE IGLUODALA

January 9th, 2012
7:45 pm

ROOKIE VUCEVIC NOT PLAYING LIKE A ROOKIE ALOT OF PROMISE

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 9th, 2012
7:46 pm

The Beverly Hillbillies!

In Jersey, you got Mr. Drisdale (russian billionaire) and Granny (the lil’ general). What a mess! What are they doing in Jersey? Catching varmits and cooking vittles?

I just don’t see Dwight going there, it’s a ploy, a hoax designed to get teams with money into a bidding war. The ASKG refuses to scratch the luxury tax, nobody trusts them and D12 would never come here willingly.

Since the Rankins, when have you seen a more hated group of owners in Atlanta?
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How does Marvin know he will not be in Indiana on Monday? Is that what Stinger just said. How in the world does one know how Marvin will feel tomorrow?

What ever happened to willing yourself to play, (see Joe Johnson)? I know the ankle is tricky, but why throw in the towel so early?

Has Marvin ever played a entire season? Get Well Soon Marvin, we really need you back as soon as possible. Like Ken S said, you DO add value to your team.

Big Lou

January 9th, 2012
7:46 pm

Josh making jumpers? *Checks pulse*

ANDRE IGLUODALA

January 9th, 2012
7:47 pm

EVAN TURNER ENTERS THE GAME LETS GO EVAN

ANDRE IGLUODALA

January 9th, 2012
7:49 pm

76ERS NEED 2 STOP W/THE TURNOVERS GEEZE

J.J.M.

January 9th, 2012
7:49 pm

am I dreaming?

Blast

January 9th, 2012
7:49 pm

Last year, coach Drew was wearing his assistant suits. This year, he can afford a proper coaches suit. And folks are right, Drew does look in better health.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
7:49 pm

Horford doubled, skip pass. Wide open 3. Our own 6′10 Jamal.

Take your time Marvin

Luke Cage

January 9th, 2012
7:50 pm

JSMOOVE with the high I.Q. Dribble from the 3

Hawks4Eva

January 9th, 2012
7:50 pm

Whats up with JOSH>>>>?

my goodness….. not good. not good at all. (hah ha )

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
7:50 pm

Damn, I missed while typing. how did Josh hit that shot? Was it contested?

ANDRE IGLUODALA

January 9th, 2012
7:50 pm

HANSBORO GETTING ON MY NERVES

Najeh Davenpoop

January 9th, 2012
7:50 pm

Josh on fire from the outside.

Kinda sad that Sixers Troll is the only other person here. I guess everyone else is getting ready for LSU-Bama. This is why you need an external monitor, people. Watch one game on TV, stream the other game on the external monitor.

Luke Cage

January 9th, 2012
7:50 pm

LOL@ANDRE IGLUODALA

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
7:51 pm

JSMOOVE with the high I.Q. Dribble from the 3?
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What did I miss?

ANDRE IGLUODALA

January 9th, 2012
7:51 pm

I JUST HIT A 3 38-33 76ERS

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 9th, 2012
7:52 pm

Nostradamus!

Hawks 12 – 0 (IF we play our new defense).
Hawks 9 – 3 (IF we take nights off)

FTPB: to answer my honey bun – Ken Strickland.
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I think Josh has now added a reliable jump shot to his game this year. I like his new range, inside the arc. His stroke looks better than Joe’s.

Glad-Vlad!!!! It’s a Glad Wrap.

Mac-Town #maconchevyrider

January 9th, 2012
7:52 pm

Josh Smith ate his wheaties

Ghost of Ken Norman

January 9th, 2012
7:53 pm

I’ve always thought it funny that Andre can’t even spell his own last name correctly.

Some of us know

January 9th, 2012
7:53 pm

Limelight=Wind Sailing=Ernest T=we know who

Najeh Davenpoop

January 9th, 2012
7:54 pm

LMAO @ Bob setting up Nique with the “heat check”.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 9th, 2012
7:54 pm

Kris pushed Josh to stop that OOP. Where’s SlimJr, was that a personal shove???

Luke Cage

January 9th, 2012
7:54 pm

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

I was being sarcastic, since when he makes a mistake he gets roasted everytime

Trent

January 9th, 2012
7:54 pm

Josh makes all of his early jumpers and misses his lone inside attempt. Strange night.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
7:55 pm

Pick and pop for 3… Ruh oh. Dont get crazy on us now. Keep getting to the line and matching 3s Hawks.