Atlanta Hawks: About last night

  • A look at the plus-minus shows the Hawks dominated even more than the score suggested. Only a couple turnover-plagued, scoring-challenged stints by Atlanta’s subs prevented this from being a total beat down instead of a blowout (understandable since Chicago’s second unit is better defensively than the starters).
  • The Hawks showed they meant business on the very first play of the game. Joakim Noah won the tip, but Al Horford stepped in front of a sleepy Derrick Rose to corral the ball. Horford powered over Rose before help could arrive to start Atlanta’s 12-1 run.
  • “It seemed like that was a momentum booster,” Joe Johnson said. “I thought that was a game-changing moment in itself.”
  • Chicago really only had one competitive stretch after that. Atlanta’s subs tried to pressure the Bulls early in the second quarter and it backfired. The Bulls scored six points off three turnovers as Taj Gibson, Omer Asik and Kyle Korver got them back in the game.
  • The Hawks buried the Bulls in the last four minutes of the first half with an electric display of defensive energy and shot-making. Vladimir Radmanovic, playing in place of injured Marvin Williams, made two of his five 3-pointers (on five attempts) during that 18-2 burst.
  • Atlanta didn’t let up after halftime. Joe scored on Js and drives, Jeff Teague set up Horford for an open jumper, Josh Smith scored at the rim on a sharp pass from Joe, Vlad Rad made another 3 and Smith scored on an oop from Teague. The Bulls, meanwhile, couldn’t score at the rim (Al had key blocks against Noah and Luol Deng) and couldn’t hold onto the ball against Atlanta’s swarming D.
  • Zaza Pachulia finally got an extended stint and delivered with five rebounds, 3 for 5 shooting (including a couple nice finishes at the rim!) and a steal. Zaza works well together with Tracy McGrady, who is always calling for Zaza for pick-and-rolls. You can see that McGrady has learned that he can’t put as much mustard on his passes to Zaza.
  • The Hawks never let Rose (3 for 10 shooting, five turnovers) find his rhythm. Teague rediscovered his defensive mojo. Atlanta blitzed Rose to make him give up the ball and surrounded him with their long bodies to cut off his space.
  • “Get up on the pick and roll,” Teague said of the plan vs. Rose. “We sat back the first game and he picked us apart and made threes. So we brung it up and tried to get up on him more and let him see bodies.”
  • “It’s not an individual effort with that guy,” Smith said. “You have to build walls in transition. We did a good team job on him defensively: crowding him, trapping him and giving him different looks.”
  • When the Hawks move the ball like they did in this game, even an elite defensive team like Chicago looks a step slow. Those 32 assists on 47 field goals don’t even fully capture how crisp the Hawks looked.
  • Once the Hawks started making shots, they started hawking the ball, getting steals, running the floor and everything came together.
  • “That’s what it’s all about, playing together as a team,” Josh said. “Whenever we are that unselfish on the offensive end, guys are more willing to make that extra push on the defensive end.”
  • “We were on a string,” Teague said. “We really got out in transition. That’s something we haven’t been doing lately. We’ve been halfcourt team the last couple games.”
  • “On defense, we were right there,” Al said. “I think that’s what triggers our team, when we help each other.”
  • Vlad Rad is officially out of his slump and eventually should approach his career norms. “Guys like him that get on a roll, they can just make shots in bunches,” Larry Drew said. “Every shot he takes, it looks like it was going in. He hit a couple early and you could see he was kind of feeling it.”
  • Zaza took the credit: “He had Georgian food for first time today.” Vlad Rad: “Now I will eat at Zaza’s place for every pregame meal.”
  • Even with the hot shooting night, Vlad passed up a couple open 3s. He’s such a clever player that sometimes it looks as if he over-thinks things instead of just letting it fly. And there are times when that cleverness leads to his teammates not being ready for his passes.
  • This was the first game in which both Joe and Vlad Rad were making shots. It made a big difference.
  • A night after attacking the rim with abandon, Josh was back to taking (and making) jump shots. But I’m wondering if fatigue didn’t play a factor in that. He used plenty of his juice for defense and finished with six blocked shots and four steals.
  • In addition to his good work on D, Teague (6 of 8 shooting, 8 assists, no turnovers) finished strong at the basket while finding the perfect balance between attacking to score and looking to set guys up. “When Teague is aggressive like that, we are a different club,” Drew said. “When he is in attack mode, he gives us another weapon. He can turn the corner and finish on big guys. More importantly, it breaks their defense down.”
  • About the only negatives for the Hawks were the six free-throw attempts (which hardly mattered with the way they were shooting 3s) and the 43-31 rebounding deficit (which mostly was due to their troubles dealing with Asik’s size ).
  • By the way, the Hawks made all six of those free-throw attempts. Go figure.
  • Marvin suffered that the team said is a Grade 1 ankle sprain in the first half and didn’t return. “It will probably be a situation where we are playing Vladi more at the three until we see Marvin’s status,” Drew said.
  • The Hawks had the toughest schedule in the league to start the season. They came out of it with a 6-3 record and splits with Chicago and Miami.
  • “Decent,” Joe said. “It wasn’t what we wanted it to be. Realistically we could have been 8-1. We let a couple get away. We have just got to try to validate this by stringing some more wins together.”
  • “I think we did good,” Josh said. “It was still a little disappointing because we let a couple games get away from us. All in all I think we did a good job. We showed resilience and we played together.”
  • “I think we did pretty good,” Al said. “There’s definitely a ceiling to do better. But 6-3, I will take it. It’s nine games in a short stretch of time, I will definitely take that.”
  • “I think we did pretty good,” Teague said. “We let two slide. We wish we could get back. But it’s a long season. That many games in that short span, your body gets tired. I think we did a great job playing three in a row.”
  • Atlanta’s schedule eases over the next week in terms of quality of opponent but the Hawks have to avoid slip-ups. “It’s not over with,” Josh said. “We have got to keep playing together. We’ve got to keep doing whatever it takes to win. We’ve got to stay focused and stay together.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

273 comments Add your comment

terrell

January 9th, 2012
6:32 pm

A stretch 4 between Josh and Al is what we need if we’re going to keep em both. Vlad can hold that spot down temporarily. lol

terrell

January 9th, 2012
6:33 pm

Al, just man up, rebound the b-ball, and play some defense. Thats all we need from you. Thanks.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
6:34 pm

They can’t start Ivan.

Most offensive sets have marvin at the wing for a 3 point shot and I can’t see LD giving three point shots to him, so we would be playing 4 on 5 on some sets.

All logic points to V-Rad.
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Wow, watching the replay and V-Rad just being 6′10 and moving his feet made Deng cough up the ball in an iso. Deng did not know how he’d get a shot over him.

And in the 4th quarter, Smith and Ivan and Zaza actually played together. Ivan was around the free throw line. Pargo posted up Josh and he was doubled, and then basically tripled when Korver left his man to prevent the first pass, Willie Green open and Smith skipped the pass for a wide open 3 Willie knocked down.

One time Willie Green set a screen on Jimmy Butler, Smith came off the screen and knocked down a FT line jumper he said he worked on over the summer. Helps when the guy guarding you doesn’t have the reach to alter your shot (as opposed to taller players who can crowd Smith)

I guess that was the Princeton offense was in effect.

Astro Joe

January 9th, 2012
6:37 pm

(If) Josh gets criticized more than Marvin (which is debatable) it is because Josh makes more money and makes repeated mental errors which most feel are more easy to fix than physical errors. It should be easier to pass the ball to the PG at the beginning of a fast break than it is to dribble through traffic (as an example).

Grandad, good point. My guess is that the Lakers blog probably have more than a few fans who claim that Kobe is a ball-hog and Gasol is toilet-paper soft. Yet, silly me would gladly carry their luggage off the plane if they were acquired by the Hawks. What do fans know?

Astro Joe

January 9th, 2012
6:39 pm

MC, go to Iberia in Newark. GREAT food and GREAT Sangria (since this is your last trip to NJ to cover the NBA).

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 9th, 2012
6:40 pm

What They’re Saying!

“How can you say Marvin is perfect when we’re constantly trying to replace him?” -Leur-
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That’s what the republicans are saying about Mitt Romney. LOL
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WWAD? What will Arthur do about his birds? One thing is for sure, he won’t wait 7 years to make a change we can believe in, like some other people.

Arthur snatched Rich McKay up out of that war room – quick. Sund is over here planting sun flower seeds, waiting for a bloom and playing with his paper clips. Flowery Branch will be handing out about 35 pink slips next week. The U/E number will rise respectively for the 1% ers. Abraham, Turner, Perriea-sic, Baker, Dunta, DeCoud, Peterson, Dominique, Owens, Weems, Edwards … Them dudes is outa’ here.

Who will the Hawks let go? Collins, Stack, Sloan, Marvin, … Who are yawl tired of seeing walking through that door?

LimeLight

January 9th, 2012
6:46 pm

Yea, again I agree. The best thing the Hawks can do is move AL Hoford.for what we can get in return and find a more aggressive and willing center. The goal is to make the hawks a better team.

Can some one explain why Al is spending so much time on the perimeter? And Why are we still SWITCHING now that Bibby is gone?

We are Switching to help Al’s lack of effort on defense.

Grandad

January 9th, 2012
6:48 pm

terrell

Repeating myself:

” Teague/Joe/Josh/Vlad/Al ”

Best five combo (+/-) on the team.

LimeLight

January 9th, 2012
6:49 pm

terrell

January 9th, 2012
6:33 pm

Co-Sign!

Wind Sailing

January 9th, 2012
6:52 pm

Good point Terrell, but I dont think Al is listening or cares.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
6:52 pm

We can’t just “let Marvin go”. We owe him money. ATL has to decide whether they are $$$ committed to starting Marvin. Or if they’re willing to try him off the bench and see if it helps teams.

But looking back, I actually think Marvin is the biggest problem. I remember in December 2010 he was complaining about how he was a “proven starter in the league”, complaining when we wanted to go big against Orlando. We then beat ORL iirc.

It’s mind boggling.
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Response to:
(If) Josh gets criticized more than Marvin (which is debatable) it is because Josh makes more money and makes repeated mental errors which most feel are more easy to fix than physical errors. It should be easier to pass the ball to the PG at the beginning of a fast break than it is to dribble through traffic (as an example).
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No it’s not debatable. Our peanut gallery here is perceived differently from actual professional media articles. That being said, when’s the last time there was a Marvin Williams writeup? On his excuse on getting locked up on defense by Brandon Bass or Ryan Anderson when we went small. Not that I want a write-up. He’s a jack of all trades tweener volume shooter.

Now that I think of it I remember sports illustrated (I’ll try to find it) saying Marvin was not “tough” enough to play the power forward. Barkley be damned!

Grandad

January 9th, 2012
6:54 pm

LimeLight

You are full of hooey, sir / ma’am.

And you do not understand the game of basketball.

and that malarky about Al’s and Josh’s fistfight;
another bunch of hooey !

LimeLight

January 9th, 2012
7:03 pm

Grandad, Im sorry you feel that way, Yeah, Josh got in Al’s Face and Al tried to man up. JJ was with Josh and so was Marvin. Teague was standing directly behind Al. I dont know if he was going to catch Al when he fell or if he was going to jump Al or if he was on Al’s side.

Thats what Al this talk about not being together as a team.

On your other note. I know basketball quite well, and for quite a long time. Im Sorry you feel that way too.

Have a great day.

drmaryb.[*_*].

January 9th, 2012
7:04 pm

Come on MC, give us that thread man, it’s 7PM – we suited and booted, we “ret” to play.

All jokes aside, I hope MC is feeling better and the weather is nice in Jersey Shore. I just love whuppin’ The Lil General and the billionaire.

Hawks win, not even a question.

LimeLight

January 9th, 2012
7:05 pm

*That’s what All this talk about not being together as a team.

Ken Strickland

January 9th, 2012
7:14 pm

SMITH.LEUER.BOGUT-When I answered your question, it wasn’t with the intent of getting into a MARVIN BASHING debate. Marvin can play multiple positions, and whether we need help at those positions or not doesn’t matter, the fact is he can do it, period. And what evidence do you have that shows the team plays better with Radmanovic in instead of Marvin. We certainly didn’t play any better against Houston, Miami or Chicago. Stop making up BS for the sake of trying to support a position.

You’ve pulled that same crap when showing support for a particular player you have a fixation on, like Leuer. It doesn’t matter whether what you say about Marvin and Rad is true or not, because Marvin will remain the starter and Rad will come off the bench, so it’s a mute argument.

Grandad

January 9th, 2012
7:15 pm

Astro Joe

Learned fans like ‘ yourself ‘ & Najeh know much and pay the bills.

I was only drawing a parallel between AB and the Raps blog
and Josh or Al and ourselves.

As for the Gasol correlation, I would drive to LA and pick him up.

terrell

January 9th, 2012
7:15 pm

Joe just said” this team will go as far as Jeff Teague can take us”. Wow! Shouldnt it be “as far as I can take them”??

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

January 9th, 2012
7:15 pm

Teague/Joe/Josh/Vlad/Al
This just might be our best lineup.

A stretch 4 between Josh and Al is what we need if we’re going to keep em both. Vlad can hold that spot down temporarily. lol
Al, just man up, rebound the b-ball, and play some defense. Thats all we need from you. Thanks.
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CNNSI Scouts Write ups on Marvin…

“I don’t know if Marvin Williams will ever be able to overcome the fact that he was picked too high in the [2005] draft at No. 2, ahead of Deron Williams and Chris Paul. I would argue that Williams has maybe turned into a better pick than Andrew Bogut, who was No. 1 that year. It was a very promising sign that Williams developed his three-point range last year. The difference between shooting the three as opposed to the 17-footer has to do with the spacing. It becomes more difficult for defenders to either suck into the paint to help while still being aware of a shooter like Williams at the three-point line. The Hawks missed him over the second half of the year when he was hurt. He still doesn’t have a bread-and-butter move that will allow him to score anytime. He has developed as a catch-and-shoot guy, which makes him a complementary player. He’ll occasionally surprise you with a quick move off the dribble to dunk on you, so he’s an OK athlete. He can be a 17-to-18-point scorer eventually. At the other end of the floor, he’s a decent defender because he makes the effort.
-cnnsi, anonymous scout 2009-2010

“Marvin Williams is not tough enough to play as a big forward. He’s not quick enough to excel at the 3 and he’s not a great shooter. He doesn’t perform one skill at a high level. He has length and some skills, but he’s not going to blow by anybody. If there’s a size mismatch, he can take advantage of it by posting up the smaller 3s, and he might be able to go by some power forwards who are not as mobile. He gets his points in transition because he can run the floor, where his athleticism can compensate for his good-but-not-great skills. In certain matchups he’ll do well, but most of the time he’s out of place.”
-cnnsi, anonymous scout 2010-2011

Hawks4Eva

January 9th, 2012
7:16 pm

MC….where you bro…..get it UP!

Hawks4Eva

January 9th, 2012
7:17 pm

Looking forward to something to take our mind away from the misery that is the Falcons….

Hawks are the big show in town now….

Ken Strickland

January 9th, 2012
7:17 pm

DRMARYB-No one can go off topic as effectively as you baby. With 12 gms remaining in Jan, and only 4 against winning teams, what is your won/loss prediction for his month?

Michael Cunningham

January 9th, 2012
7:17 pm

new blog posted. shutting down this thread.