Atlanta Hawks: Fun with numbers
Hoopdata.com has updated its stats through last night’s games and they reveal that the Hawks are the best team in the league.
After two games. Against bad opponents.
OK, it doesn’t mean much. But what’s the harm in my blog people looking at these lovely numbers before reality rears its (potentially disappointing) head?
The Hawks are No. 1 in defensive efficiency and No. 3 in offensive efficiency. They are No. 1 in opponent effective-field goal percentage and No. 3 in defensive rebounding rate.
Atlanta is No. 5 in true-shooting percentage , No. 3 in 3-point shooting percentage and No. 4 in three-point attempts. The Hawks are No. 9 in free-throw rate and No. 3 in free-throw percentage.
Alas, there are some things that not even a miniscule sample size and lackluster opponents can cure. The Hawks rank No. 16 in block rate and 27 percent of their 161 field-goal attempts have been long 2s after 30 percent of their attempts last season came from the most inefficient distance.
Still, block rates don’t mean as much when the Hawks are holding opponents to .8 points per possession and the long 2s are not as damaging when they are shooting just as many 3s and making them at a good clip. Of course, these developments may not continue once the competition stiffens but the Hawks are dominating lesser opponents and that’s the best result possible at the moment.
Plus, isn’t it fun to look at those numbers no matter the context?
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KZ
December 30th, 2011
12:35 pm
First
i_am_soulstar
December 30th, 2011
12:37 pm
Happy New Years blog folks & MC
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
12:40 pm
This is an interesting article about Dwight coming to Atl.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1003377-nba-trade-rumors-sending-dwight-howard-to-the-hawks-is-best-move-for-magic
vava74
December 30th, 2011
12:40 pm
Marvin may be playing better but against the Wizards he was schooled by Rashard on a few defensive possessions… a bad omen IMO.
We played OK in these couple of games but the opposition was weak. Good to see a lively and active D smothering the opposition but let’s wait for more serious match ups before we jump into conclusions.
vava74
December 30th, 2011
12:41 pm
Oh, by the way:
MC, you are doing a GREAT JOB this season. GREAT JOB.
Thank you!
beejayrufino
December 30th, 2011
12:42 pm
nice blog- hawks is really improving keep it up!
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
12:45 pm
Stephanie Ready is getting more air time on NBA TV..
Get her a show asap! AYE Captain!
tidog
December 30th, 2011
12:45 pm
The free throw rate and free throw percentage are nice numbers, time will tell which players are going to keep attacking the basket.
vava74
December 30th, 2011
12:46 pm
Rev,
That article is what I call “pure garbage”.
It’s riddled with idiocies which make it as fire proof as a Ford Pinto.
Stating that Horford is “uber-athletic and supremely-talented” is one of the most idiotic statements about the NBA I ever heard.
Horford is reasonably athletic – being that his best characteristic is his MOTOR – he has good resistance and plays with good levels of intensity.
As for “supremely talented” I will not even waste my time debunking that!!!!
Al Horford is a “fine” player, a good character and apparently a good team mate and person.
At the #5 slot, if he puts his mind to it, a very very useful player. At the #4 slot, he is a middling talent.
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
12:49 pm
Hey wheres our entertainment reporter…Interesting rumors out there about All NBA and his new bride? Hmmmmmmmmmmm….
We want a Championship! Get D12 in here ASAP!
D12 is built for the playoffs. All whatever is built for the regular season, sorta like that Falcons QB?
tidog
December 30th, 2011
12:53 pm
That Falcon QB has been in the league 4 years and been in the playoffs 3 years, thats almost 100% playoff appearance.
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
12:55 pm
MC i posted on last blog about Dwight being mention about coming to Atlanta, that rumor is true.
Horford discussion was center piece and the building block for Magic, but the conversation was Horford only no one else.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
12:57 pm
All whatever=39 games, avg. 7pts, 4rbs. Championship Nimbers? LMFAO!
Melt= 0-3, ALL beatdowns (3rd Loss will be the Saints game coming up.Or should I say catastrophic meltdown)…..LMFAO!
Riddle Me This
December 30th, 2011
12:58 pm
Ryan gets heat, but he’s have his best statistical season yet. Problem is, the defense under this regime has yet to show up in a big game. Not his fault.
Contrast that with how the defense won those playoff games when Vick was here, as he could barely pass for over 150 yards a la Tebow.
i_am_soulstar
December 30th, 2011
1:08 pm
BTW,
I can’t believe MC posted something even slightly optimistic about the Hawks.
And just when I was beginning to get used to your always-neutral stance.
Michael Cunningham
December 30th, 2011
1:09 pm
@soulstar: happy new year
@vava: thanks
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
1:10 pm
Marvin, Horford, Zaza, 2012 and 2013 first round for Redick, Dwight.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=76ykc9y
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Michael Cunningham
December 30th, 2011
1:11 pm
@big dog: “MC i posted on last blog about Dwight being mention about coming to Atlanta, that rumor is true. Horford discussion was center piece and the building block for Magic, but the conversation was Horford only no one else.”
yes, i’ve written about this already. but it can’t just be Horford because the salaries wouldn’t match, especially if Magic want to include Turkoglu. i am sure Smith wasn’t included in the proposal and fairly certain Joe wasn’t.
Just Joe
December 30th, 2011
1:13 pm
BIG DOG…You can’t trade 1st round picks in back to back years. Since we traded last year’s, the first two picks available will be 2013 & 2015.
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
1:14 pm
Horford, Joe, 2012 and 2013 first round pick for Redick, Dwight
Share your trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=86tngp5
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
MattP
December 30th, 2011
1:16 pm
We will have to keep Smith to help get Howard to sign the extension. I think Marvin might be good trade bait to add with Horford but it will really depend on next week when we play Heat and Bulls.
Michael Cunningham
December 30th, 2011
1:17 pm
@soulstar: “I can’t believe MC posted something even slightly optimistic about the Hawks.”
you need to consult with the people who think i’m too negative and those who think i’m too positive. and then you all need to decide once and for all the proper reason to hate on me.
seriously, though, if “always neutral” means “always reasonable” then, thanks . . .
Riddle Me This
December 30th, 2011
1:19 pm
Falcons D vs GB in 2002 playoff: 7 pts allowed, Vick 117 passing yds
Falcons D vs STL in 2005 playoff: 17 pts allowed, Vick 82 passing yds
Falcons D vs AZ in 2009 playoff: 30 pts allowed, Ryan 199 passing yds
Falcons D vs GB in 2011 playoff: 41 pts allowed, Ryan 186 passing yds
(No need to post Vick’s two playoff losses with Atlanta)
MattP
December 30th, 2011
1:19 pm
BIG DOG, Magic will more then likely want to get rid of Turk with Howard. If it involves a trade with Johnson we will have to take Turk.
Nique
December 30th, 2011
1:20 pm
We lost Jamal but i think as a whole our 2cnd unit is more solid & we rounded, especially once Kirk comes back.I thill think we’re a big man who serves as a defender of the lane/rim who also has a little bit of offensive, back to the basket post moves away from truly competing like we want to, but I think our 2cnd unit will benifit us this year.
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
1:23 pm
Fal-cons=47 year riddle….
#Let'sGoHawks!
December 30th, 2011
1:24 pm
Why can’t we just wait until free agency? Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Gearon say in that Q & A, that he would go into the luxury tax for the right player? Just saying..
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
1:25 pm
We need to try and keep Joe…Need a shooter to spread the floor with D12 in the box…
7>3 in this Time line..
December 30th, 2011
1:28 pm
Ryan= FG Maker
Brees= TD maker! Huh?
Riddle Me This
December 30th, 2011
1:28 pm
Slim can’t doing anything about those stats, as the Eagles have yet to win anything anything with his God Vick.
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
1:28 pm
Riddle Me This, I have no interest in the Ryan v. Vick controversy. But to be fair in your argument you should also include Vick’s rushing numbers in those games.
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
1:30 pm
By the way, I have no idea what Vick’s rushing #’s were in those games.
Riddle Me This
December 30th, 2011
1:30 pm
7>3,
You are correct. As leaders, Brees > Ryan > Vick. That much is clear.
MattP
December 30th, 2011
1:32 pm
If we for sure can get Howard to sign an extension I wouldn’t mind letting Horford and Smith go for him. Because Howard will be doing all the work needed in the paint. Like Slimjr said, it would be best to keep Johnson because we will need shooters around D12. From the looks of what they were doing with this roster it looked like they were getting ready to make a move on D12 because they added alot of range.
Keeping Johnson isn’t that bad because we still have the amnesty and if he contract starts becoming a problem they could use it on him and free up alot of space.
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
1:33 pm
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7mhfc78
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
7>3 in this Time line..
December 30th, 2011
1:35 pm
Comparing Vick and Ryan is like comparing apples and oranges..Both have their strengths..
Now comparing Drew and Matt is more like apples to apples…Got it? Yep..
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
1:36 pm
MattP, Dwight will not come and stay unless Josh is here.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
lovethosedawgs68
December 30th, 2011
1:36 pm
I’m impressed with the Hawks so far, but I’d have to say the biggest difference to me is: Attitude. Teammates genuinally seem happy passing the ball, taking it away, and team rebounding.
Just Joe
December 30th, 2011
1:37 pm
I think it is abosolutely fair to compare Brees’s first 4 years in the league to Ryan’s first 4 years in the league.
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
1:40 pm
The sooner we get D12 in Atlanta, the sooner he can be integrated and work out the kinks before the playoff run..
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
1:41 pm
Teague, Marvin, Turk, Josh, Dwight
Pargo, Green, Tmac, Vlad, Collins OR Zaza if not traded.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
MattP
December 30th, 2011
1:42 pm
BIG DOG, I agree, but will Orlando really want to take Johnson’s big contract. The only players I can see Orlando interested in at Horford and Smith, maybe Marvin depending if he continues to play like this.
Riddle Me This
December 30th, 2011
1:44 pm
Rev in Tampa,
Vick rushed for 64 yds vs GB, and 119 yds vs STL. Which means the combined yardage numbers were about the same for both QBs.
My point is that one guyget the praise even though his defense actually showed up in big games, while the other guy is being blamed for losses when his defense is getting shredded.
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
1:44 pm
Teague, Tmac, Marvin, Josh, Dwight
Pargo, Green, Turk, Vlad, Collins OR Zaza if not traded.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
1:49 pm
MattP Again the trade will not happen unless Josh is here, Dwight and Josh are tight.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Buddy Grizzard
December 30th, 2011
1:50 pm
#3 in 3-point shooting percentage? That’s in spite of Pargo and Green being 33% on 6 attempts per game between the two of them. Kirk come back… save us from the refuse at the end of our bench!
Riddle Me This
December 30th, 2011
1:50 pm
7>3,
Disagree, they’re all QBs, with the same responsibilities: To be a leader and put points on the board.
Mike D’Antoni (offensive guy) and Mike Brown (defensive guy) may use different styles as basketball coaches, but they have the same responsibilities as the man in charge.
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
1:54 pm
The offense scores two lousy FG’s from quarter 2-4! That’s offensive!!!! lol Meanwhile the opposition’s offense scored 5 TD’s and a FG in quarters 2-4.. Looks like that explosive vaunted Falcons offense played a major role and contributed to the defense getting “shredded”! imho..
The land of excuses…..YAWN…….
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
1:56 pm
Up next, Hawks in another BLOWOUT Tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO HAWKS!
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
1:57 pm
http://youtu.be/awYU4lelYw4
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
2:00 pm
http://youtu.be/B5-fFNMXiLU
mountain_jim
December 30th, 2011
2:10 pm
To trade 2 starting assets for a rental of Dwight would be stupid, in my opinion. Only do that if he signes the extension as part of the deal, and Atlanta is not currently on his list of who he would sign with.
superiorblogman
December 30th, 2011
2:10 pm
So disappointing to see you stupid MF’ers keep up these fantasy trades no matter what the team does on the floor. We don’t need a superstar, just a C.We could have gotten that with Dalembert, and I am sure we could get Kaman or Okafor. We could a guy like that without giving up Al,Joe, Josh, or Jeff. I am disappointed in you all but I am not going in your jaw I’m just gonna show you how to think.
MattP
December 30th, 2011
2:16 pm
SBM, I agree that’s all we need but how will we get one of those 2 without trading one of our starters?
Rufus1
December 30th, 2011
2:20 pm
No JOSH, no JOE in the trade for D12…. I WILL TAKE IT.
The trade must have been Al(12m), Marvin(8mil) and Kirk(8mil) for D12(18mil) and Turk(11mil)….That trade is worth the risk of him not signing. If Marvin is still playing this way at the trade deadline, D12 may be in a Hawks uniform this year….And the Hawks will win a Title this season.
i_am_soulstar
December 30th, 2011
2:25 pm
MC,
I have to focus such a large amount of my hate on John Hollinger that I don’t have any left to give.
More succinctly put, no hate here dude.
The informative posts and tweets are greatly appreciated.
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
2:26 pm
superiorblogman are you retatarted or what, Dwight is top 5 player in the league you dum a$$ not only that he is top 10 most marketable athlete in sports, ASG would have to be stupid not try bring Dwight home. Blogman do you no how much revenue he would bring to the Hawks if traded here ?
Games sold out almost every home game.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Rufus1
December 30th, 2011
2:36 pm
Knicks fans are FREAKING OUT…..
They just found out, that just having Tyson doesn’t make you a top DEFENSIVE TEAM and a GOOD PG is very important…..And Bibby isn’t GOOD anymore. They will allso find out that BDavis won’t help their defense.
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
2:42 pm
Rufus 1, you can win with this team.
Teague, Tmac, Marvin, Josh, Dwight
Pargo, Green, Turk, Vlad, Zaza
You replace Tmac for Joe at guard.
You replace Superman for Horford at center.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
December 30th, 2011
2:44 pm
“superiorblogman are you retatarted or what,”
retarted?
enough said
ROFLMFAO
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
2:46 pm
What?
“Let’s hope the vets on the bench remind the starters that NJ will come in pissed off about that rout at home. They aren’t good….but they do have pride. That and the comments from TMac will also give them a reason to want us.” -wordsmithtom-
______________
What did TMac say?
_________________
Howard to Atlanta may not be a pipe dream if, you really think about it?
Otis Smith is not in the driver’s seat and Dwight is a very sensitive and a very affable personality. He could handle being the “bad guy” ala LBJ and The Decision controversy.
If the ASKG really go hard to get their man? They can have Dwight, maybe not on ASKG terms – but he can be had. If, the Clippers can go get CP3, (our man) then, surely the ASKG can go get Dwight in the same fashion, (that one year signed extension) to make the deal go without a long term extension. I say – Do It! No matter the cost.
This city, this town and these fans? We deserve a super star!
Rufus1
December 30th, 2011
2:50 pm
@DMB
The T-Mac article…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlgqKAamsSz5BpW5qpvuqeC8vLYF?slug=aw-wojnarowski_tracy_mcgrady_dwight_howard_nba_122811
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
2:50 pm
Rufus1, great comment.
Knicks beat the 0-3 Celtics by 2pts, scored only 78 against GSW, and 82 against the LAL.
You would think that Carmelo, Stoudemire, Chandler and decent filler would be able to give a better showing than that. But they have been crowned third in the East by the brains in the national media.
Everyone forgets that NYK played had a losing record for the 27 games that Carmelo played with the team last year.
Hawks don’t play the Knicks until Feb. 22. I can’t wait.
i_am_soulstar
December 30th, 2011
2:54 pm
I’ve been saying this (not on this blog, but to basketball buddies) since the Knicks signed Tyson Chandler that it wasn’t gonna be a team changer. Everybody’s so caught up in his performance from the Finals that no one is recalling his many years with the Hornets and Bobcats as a just-decent center in the league.
The guy’s a good center, but he’s not someone you gut your team for. And they definitely overpaid for him.
It’s still early though, so maybe they’ll prove me wrong, but I think mentioning them as contenders the way some of these writers have been doing is downright outlandish.
And neither Melo or Amare seem to care much for playing defense.
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
2:54 pm
Correction – Everyone forgets that the NYK * had a losing record for the 27 games that Carmelo played with the team last year.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
2:54 pm
Press to Play!
If we keep playing this unbelievable defense and Marvin keeps his bread up? That Magic deal may have some teeth.
Once Otis Smith truly understands that Dwight is not staying, he goes into get what’s best for the Magic mode. Who has more proven talent that the Hawks?
Our junk will always be another man’s treasure. Players on other teams always look better than they really are when making trades. Perhaps Marvin and what Hinrich did to Stan Van Gundy made a lasting impression on their exit interviews and management.
On this team, no one player should be deemed untouchable if you can get Dwight for 1 or 2 years. No one.
Wake up fans! We ain’t got no HOF ers over here – change that!
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
2:56 pm
i_am_soulstar, i agree. But from the offensive numbers the Knicks don’t care much about scoring either. Looks like they just don’t care, period.
Hawks4Eva
December 30th, 2011
2:57 pm
To all those talking about Mike Vick on a Basketball Hawks blogs – I have 3 words for you:
You Are IDIOTS
Rufus1
December 30th, 2011
2:58 pm
BIG DOG
You can’t win a title with that team. You need a player on the wing that commands a DOUBLE TEAM. T-mac isn’t a starter on a TITLE team and neither he(D12) nor Josh wouldn’t re-sign with that group. You also can’t give-up that much TALENT for a RENTAL.
Al is the best player they can get in terms of skill, age, health and contract…He also played for the Gators. If that is all we have to give-up, I think he would re-sign or at least opt-in the additional year, because we would be a TITLE CONTENDER.
cp
December 30th, 2011
3:04 pm
The Knicks offense is just flat out ugly right now. It consists of whoever has the ball to just chuck it. I dont even know if they run any plays. I like Tyson Chandler but dude was made to be some defensive legend due to the Mavs winning the ring. Like i_am_soulstar pointed out, a lot of experts seem to forget his previous years of average play. He was always hurt, in foul trouble, or just not doing much until his contract year. Carmelo can score but dude might be one of the most overrated players in the game right now. Bibby is done. Dude brings absolutely nothing to the table for them. The Knicks have plenty of time to turn it around but I dont think they will be this team everyone made them out to be.
superiorblogman
December 30th, 2011
3:16 pm
Houston and NO both value draft picks because they both are probably going nowhere anytime soon. Marvin, Zaza, Kirk and draft picks in some combination would net you Dalembert, Okafor, or Kaman. I am against Dwight Howard coming here if it means trading Josh,Joe,Al, or Teague. Atlanta is too much of a transient place anyway, I still don’t think they could fill the seats. Most people come here because they are sorry and broke and are just leaches. They need to raise the cost of living around here to get rid of all the sorry leaches from places like Chicago,New York; and LA that just want to come here because of cost of living since they can’t make it where they are from being such big pieces of manure. That is the true answer to restoring pride and getting people to care about the products that this great city offers, not some blown out of proportion so-called superstar like Dwight,CP3, and all the other superstars that you short bus riding bloggers keep crying for as the team puts out great efforts every night. Shame on you star struck little people.
SteveW
December 30th, 2011
3:18 pm
Down goes Wade
Down goes Stoudamire
No, really Wade is day to day with his foot, and Amare with his ankle. But I think this season could be determined more by health, injury, an fitness than normal season, just because of the compressed schedule.
I’m already on record as saying by the middle of March, I think DWade is down with an injury of some severity, just because of his playing style, and he turns 30 in a couple of weeks. His playing style is fantastic, but it is an injury waiting to happen, especially as you get older.
So I think the Hawks have an advantage in many instances, just because our players are in good shape, and their playing styles are not given to injury – esp. now that Josh has lost that weight. He was an injury waiting to happen last season, and he’s since revealed he played last season with sore knees.
I’ve been into health, fitness, and sports for well over 30 years, and I’ve seen it over and over again…
Hmmmm
December 30th, 2011
3:21 pm
Amare had two rebounds last night. That’s all you need to know about the Knicks.
SteveW
December 30th, 2011
3:23 pm
I think the middle to end of March is going to tell the tale on alot of teams. The deep teams will be trucking, and the Coaches that are playing their starters too many minutes now, it will really begin to show up by then. And I know they play 16 less games, but looking over these schedules it’s brutal for everybody, including the Heat, except for their 3 of 4 day sabbatical in the middle of January.
Rod from College Park
December 30th, 2011
3:23 pm
Another interesting thing to see this year will be who will get the ball in clutch situations. Over the last couple of years, that guy has been Jamal. Teams will double Joe, and make someone else make the big shot. We have a number of solid guys on this team, but no one who is clutch like Jamal. This team reminds me so far of Denver out west. A lot of talented guys, but no real leader. In the playoffs, I will state again, that I think you will have to end games with Joe, and TMac on the floor in order to keep defenses honest.
Hmmmm
December 30th, 2011
3:24 pm
Oh and… they’re trying get the ballstopper Carmelo to run point-forward. Might as well make Chandler the go-to- scoring option while you’re at it, D’Antoni.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
3:25 pm
LA Times!
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/sports/nba/la-times-wages-random-hilarious-war-lakers-andrew-bynum
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One word: scathing.
Man wassup in LA? They’re still seething over not getting CP3. Now that darling media that they’ve enjoyed for so
long is turning on them. They are trashing one of the Lakers most tradeable assets to get Dwight there. And Gearon, Jr thinks he has enemies in Jeff Hollinger and the AJC sports writers? LMAO
Here’s my point: If the Nets, (see Lopez foot) nor Lakers can commandeer Dwight this season, then why not us?
If Gearon, Jr and Sund can just do their jobs and go get Dwight, (extended or not) then I will personally post a reprieve for their forgiveness. I will do more than they have done for us fans and, just leave them alone.
SteveW
December 30th, 2011
3:25 pm
If Marvin keeps playing up to this level, Teague keeps developing, and we catch a couple of breaks with health while some injuries hit some other teams, this really could be our year.
I kinda hate to break up our chemistry right now with a trade. But for Howard, well…
SteveW
December 30th, 2011
3:29 pm
Rod – I’ve thought the same thing – you almost have to have JJ and TMac on the floor together to end games. Al, Josh, Teague or Marvin are not reliable enough scoring threats, at least they haven’t been, to close out games. Gotta have at least 2 scorers on the court at the same time in that situation – I agree on that.
And quote all the worthless stats you want at me about TMac recently, the guy if he’s healthy is still a scorer, or at least has the potential to be.
SteveW
December 30th, 2011
3:30 pm
But can TMac defend at the other end of the floor? May take some creative substitutions by LD to make that work.
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
3:30 pm
“To all those talking about Mike Vick on a Basketball Hawks blogs – I have 3 words for you:
You Are IDIOTS”
@HawksforEva, you are so right.. I’m a bad boy from taking the bait from that dumb a$$ who initially brought up MV7! And for this transgression my big a$$ deserve a large spanking if you are willing to provide at no cost……LOL!
jlewis
December 30th, 2011
3:30 pm
I may be an idiot, but why do people on this blog want to go get guys the Hawks are consistently beating. Dwight Howard is also a role player, he rebounds, you cant consistently go to him in the post, the year they went to the finals, he wasnt the main cog, look it up. Also, for those that want to get rid of JJ, look at defense also, this blogs next great player, Jordan Crawford, 1 point, when Nick Young was getting off, JJ shut him down. Without a good team around you, there are no superstars in the league, they are established only by the NBA to sell more merchandise.
Mike
December 30th, 2011
3:34 pm
@superiorblogman
Wow, “Rage” o-matic, but here is the thing that you dont know, Hawks isnt a bad team but do they sell out the arena on non-High Profile games? No. We are still looking for a face for this team, not since Nique we had that, it been almost longer almost 20-25 since that happen and it is not just the superstar label that the Hawks is looking for but an face of this team, Joe Johnson cant be it, Al Horford is trying but I dont think he cant be it too, even Josh Smith has a chance to be but he keeps on shotting out of it.
superiorblogman, I understand what you coming from but at this moment, let me ask you a serious question, do you think this team can get to the ECF this year by beat one of “elite” teams in the East besides this year is the last year for Sund’s and Drew’s contacts. Try to understand, they play for job security. Stalling in the second round isnt going to be enough. If Dwight can push the Hawks over that hump, that will be a good decision to trade for him besides the core will be broken up.
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
3:35 pm
D12 is built for an incredible Championship run for the 1st time. DO IT YESTERDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AYE CAPTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Besides we dont need 3 captains. All NBA has got ta go 1st!
Mike
December 30th, 2011
3:37 pm
20-25 years
Astro Joe
December 30th, 2011
3:40 pm
The whole idea to get max value in a trade is to make the trade when the player’s value is up. So having Teague and Marvin play better is good both for their tenure on the Hawks and for use as potential trade chips.
KZ
December 30th, 2011
3:43 pm
Joe + Josh or Al for Dwight is not a good trade. Throw in Hedo. He gets a bad wrap but can still play, plus he’s 6″10
Astro Joe
December 30th, 2011
3:45 pm
I also don’t get the fascination with Howard. He would bring more fans to the arena but the team would not likely do any better than the standard second rond exit. He can’t touch the ball in a close, late situation and the Hawks (of all teams) proved that a group of avrage players with D12 can’t do much in the playoffs. Unless we get to keep two of the three captains, I can’t see gutting the team for a dominant defender but somewhat limited offensive player.
I’d rather have the knucklehead in LA at far less trade expense.
Section 303
December 30th, 2011
3:45 pm
Happy New Year to everyone of you. Hope the year is great one!
So far, I really like this team. They are playing hard. Granted, they have only played two bad teams and are only 2-0. But, the additions to the roster have been good.
I like Pargo way more than I thought I would. And, I think Willie Green will get better and better. T-Mac has been solid, but I’m still worried about him being asked to do too much and logging too many minutes. Marvin is playing better than I have ever seen him play.
Looking forward to the game tonight. Will be going solo tonight. So, if anyone wants my extra, let me know.
Section 303
December 30th, 2011
3:51 pm
Also, I hope the Howard trade never happens. For one, I don’t like Dwight Howard (though, I’m sure I could be talked into him). Second, it just means we’re heading into major rebuilding mode. Howard will not sign an extension here and when that happens, the Hawks will dump the remaining players and we will be an awful team for years. I don’t want to go back to that.
I am not against making a major deal. We all know there is a ceiling to on how far this group can go. But, make a deal that builds on the team, not a deal that ends the team. Bringing Howard here might be fun for 22 games and then the playoffs. When he leaves, we go back to the 1999-2007 years. No thanks.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
3:56 pm
Shout Out!
Rufus1
doc
Too much good stuff guys. I’m so happy my Hawks are finally playing again. MC’s fun numbers are very gratifying for two games.
Hey the stats people don’t care who you beat, they just tally up the numbers and let us put our rose colored glasses “spin” on the what the interpretations are.
We all got opinions right?
Aye Sund! Go get your man. Your job depends on it. Coach Drew is doing phenomenal so far as well. Keep up the good work coach!
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ASKG? No comment.
KZ
December 30th, 2011
4:06 pm
Trading Joe + Al/Smoove will not improve this franchise. If you trade Joe, you are left with T-Mac (can’t play over 20 mpg) and Willie Green at SG.
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
4:08 pm
“Another interesting thing to see this year will be who will get the ball in clutch situations. Over the last couple of years, that guy has been Jamal. Teams will double Joe, and make someone else make the big shot.”
Give the ball to Pargo. He will take the shot.
KZ
December 30th, 2011
4:10 pm
Trade for Dwight if we can get Redick or Hedo as part of the package. Don’t just trade 2 of our top 3 for Dwight.
SteveW
December 30th, 2011
4:12 pm
Been looking over cap space and depth for some teams. I’ll go out on a limb and say OKC, barring injury, beats Miami for the Title this season. Just too deep at every position, and too young not too be fresher than the Heat.
Also, the Hawks are finally set up to use part of their mid-level next season. Just under 61 mill committed to 6 players, 62 mill too 7 players if we keep our 1st round pick. Sign 5 players at the vet. min, brings you to about 66.3 mill. Assuming the Luxury tax line is around 70.5 mill again, we could spend around 5 mill + and still be under the tax with 13 players.
Hope we do that.
The real challenge will be re-signing Josh and ZaZa as unrestricted FA’s for the next season if we go that far without a trade or something.
Mike
December 30th, 2011
4:13 pm
@Section 303
But at the same time, we cant stay as a second-round fodder every year, Good enough to get the playoff but not enough to get the ECF/NBA Finals. Hawks have been there for 3 straight years and other teams that did that was C’s and Lakers and they have won the championship during that time.
Right now, I got doubts too about this trade but do you think we can best Miami Trio? How about D-Rose and Bulls, How about Knicks with Melo and Amare, then what about C’s, because if want the championship we will have to beat two of three teams and the other team could be upstart 76ers, Pacers or Bucks.
Tradin for Howard is tricky and very risk but here is the thing, both Drew and Sund contacts is up after this year, ASG is still looking to sell team and other stuff. I believe that trade like this, could be the push that the Hawks need to get to the next round.
Rufus1
December 30th, 2011
4:14 pm
Astro Joe
I co-sign on the fact that we can’t give-up 2 of our captains for D12. A 2nd round exit with a STAR, is still a 2nd round EXIT.
If the COST for D12 is Joe + Al or Al or Josh for Bynum, I will take the Al or Josh for Bynum trade…
GET A STAR DOESN’T MEAN YOU WIN IF YOU GIVE-UP TOO MUCH…ASK THE KNICKS OR NETS.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
4:16 pm
Stay Strong!
“If Marvin keeps playing up to this level, Teague keeps developing, and we catch a couple of breaks with health while some injuries hit some other teams, this really could be our year.
I kinda hate to break up our chemistry right now with a trade. But for Howard, well…” -SteveW-
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Hey SteveW! Wassup boy? Don’t buckle my man, stay strong in the knees, squeeze your buttocks – and make that trade man! Send everybody man! We ain’t got no ntouchable laying ’round here. None!!!
Of course your GM has to do a good job for his franchise. They all do.
But, didn’t LA get Pau Gasol for a bag of NBA socks? So, why not us? Why can’t we do that?
Big Man rules and we only got one contending big man in the entire east coast. That’s why you make that trade – Be THAT team! By any means necessary.
Like John Shurholz said, “A successful stock broker never falls in love with his stocks.” Anything and everything can be traded. When gambling, you win some and you lose some. But, you will NEVER win if you don’t take the risk. It’s risky business. That’s why some owners are like Mark Cuban and the other owners doesn’t really matter.
We got ASKG (so so so sad).
SteveW
December 30th, 2011
4:17 pm
I wonder what Josh and ZaZa will get on the open market? I would guess Josh gets at least 10 mill per year for 4 or 5 years. ZaZa, brick hands and all may get 6 or 7 mill. per year, just because teams are desperate for a big man.
Still glad that Brad Miller for ZaZa trade fell thru at the last minute last season. We would be a much weaker team without ZaZa.
Runner-
December 30th, 2011
4:24 pm
These 2 teams can’t be THAT bad that these numbers are skewed a whole bunch… the shooting is good which is probably the most accurate thing out of all the stats. Defensive efficiency is definitely skewed, but hey, it’s better than last season when the Hawks would always let these worse teams come back late in the game.
bring dwight
December 30th, 2011
4:28 pm
During an appearance Thursday on ESPN Radio with Linda Cohn and Adnan Virk, Hawks center Al Horford was asked about ESPN.com’s report earlier this week that Atlanta engaged Orlando in Dwight Howard trade talks this month, as well as the notion that the Magic would surely want Horford as part of any swap if the talks ever go anywhere. “Wow,” Horford said. “I guess I’m heading back to Florida. … I don’t know, that’s interesting, I know that Dwight is from here, but as far as I know, this is the first I’ve heard of it. But it’ll be interesting.” ESPN.com
Section 303
December 30th, 2011
4:29 pm
Mike, I think the Hawks could give both Miami and Chicago a good run, if they added the right player. No chance if you add Dwight and give up Joe and Al or Josh. The Hawks problems over the past 3 seasons has not been the core group. It’s been lack of depth. The elite teams always run out 9-10 quality players. The Hawks have not.
Also, making the rumored Howard trade means the Hawks have given up on trying to hang with Miami for the next 3-4 years. Hawks would get Howard for 22 games and one postseason. Then he leaves. That means the Hawks make a deal on remaining pieces and try to rebuild. Granted, they would be in good rebuilding position (money under cap and probably aquired draft picks). But, we’ve seen that position before. Once you’re there, it takes a long time to get good again.
Plus, I don’t want to just give Miami the next 3-4 seasons. I know most put Chicago at the Heat level, but I don’t. I still think the Hawks are capable of beating Chicago in a series.
The Truth
December 30th, 2011
4:37 pm
“Hinrich is starting to feel more settled in Atlanta. He and his wife, Jill, welcomed their second child in September. But he is anxious to return to the Hawks, who haven’t trailed this season and are just the third team in NBA history to win their first two games by a combined 50 points or more.
“We feel like we’re a dangerous team and when we play the right way, we can beat anybody,” he said. “It’s just trying to put forth that effort every night and not try to have the roller coaster that we’ve had last year. We played great but we were just up and down a lot.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/kirk-hinrich-gone-but-presence-with-wizards-still-felt/2011/12/30/gIQAkxtTQP_blog.html
If the past 2-game sample by the Hawks becomes legit, Hinrich notion of the Hawks being a “dangerous team” may indeed be “The Truth”. If so, Sund reaching out to Otis for a trade proposal for D12 could become the other way around (Otis reaching out to Sund) if the Hawks sweep Orlando in the regular season. While this is only a thought, the notion may not be that outrageous considering how teams tend to seek those teams out viewed as successful. Dallas championship is a good example. Regardless of what the naysayer say about these Hawks, their envy list is long and still growing.
If we could make a serious playoff run with our beloved core and new players, teams and prospective players would seek us out for all kinds of offerings just as T-mac came to us (we didn’t reach out to him). Seemingly, Otis could be motivated to stop our momentum with a “bad” trade between the Hawks and Orlando. With our current ownership, anything is possible.
History has shown us, when want them to say “yes” to a trade, they say “no”. When we want them to say “no” to a trade, they say “yes”. Believe it or not, it is possible to have a “bad” trade for Dwight.
We shall see
Mike
December 30th, 2011
4:39 pm
@drmaryb.[*_*].
*slap internet High 5*
You are so right about that, Rick Sund knows that too, it is always a risk when you make trades like this but also has the amount of reward as well. D12 can give up a advange over teams and you know that he will give you 15-20 rebs per game and so much more.
Risk vs Reward, is the question that we need to ask about this, if D12 wants to come here and resign for a long term deal, then pull the tigger if not, just use those assets for other things but I think that this opportunity only come once in a lifetime.
Astro Joe
December 30th, 2011
4:41 pm
“It’s just trying to put forth that effort every night…”
Which is why leadership is more important than acquiring just any superstar. Either add a leader or subtract those who don’t bring it every night.
Rufus1
December 30th, 2011
4:49 pm
Horford and filler(Kirk)….
No way do we give-up more than that for 22 games and a post season….This Joe + Al for D12 is CRAAAAAAAAAZY. You don”t give-up 2 Allstar players for a very SHORT RENTAL.
With JOE and JOSH on the team, we have a better chance to RE-SIGN him….That is a called a CALCULATED RISK! Playing for a championship team in his HOMETOWN, will improve our chances to sign him.
Trading away so much TALENT that we become AVERAGE or WORSE, isn’t a SOUND business RISK!
JaeEvolution
December 30th, 2011
4:54 pm
“I guess I’m heading back to Florida. … I don’t know, that’s interesting, I know that Dwight is from here, but as far as I know, this is the first I’ve heard of it. But it’ll be interesting.”
ASG said they didn’t want to fully propose a trade to Magic because it clearly effects the morale of certain players, just look at Lamar Odom in Dallas now from the Lakers trade. Which is why I wouldn’t be surprised if a deal was done, that it would be a quick and fast one.
JaeEvolution
December 30th, 2011
4:58 pm
The Melo trade should show that a superstar isn’t worth nearly as much as some are willing to pay, if the Knicks had never done the trade for Melo they’d EASILY be better off right now.
They probably would have finished same spot they did and got bounced by Boston regardless, but in the off-season they could still have acquired Chandler and gotten their draft pick Shumpert. Their team would look like this Felton/Field/Gallo/Stat/Chandler with a strong bench of Douglas/Shumpert/Chandler/Jefferies/Mozgof that team would be scary to play under Mike Dantoni offense, but now without a playmaker or any depth the Knicks are just awful they have superstars but no one to get them the ball or create for them for easy points.
northcyde
December 30th, 2011
5:00 pm
KZ
December 30th, 2011
4:06 pm
Trading Joe + Al/Smoove will not improve this franchise. If you trade Joe, you are left with T-Mac (can’t play over 20 mpg) and Willie Green at SG.
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That’s why if you do make a trade . . you trade Smith + Horford + 1st round pick 2012 for Howard and Ryan Anderson. You’d stay solid in the backcourt with Teague and Johnson, to compliment Howard on the frontline. You may even think about starting T-Mac at SF and moving Marvin to PF as a “stretch/slasher” guy at the 4 spot ala Gerald Wallace.
PG – Teague
G – Johnson
F – McGrady
PF – Marvin
C – Howard
Could Marvin at PF get you 8 rebounds a game? Well let’s see. According to 82games.com, when Marvin played PF last year, he got 10.4 rebounds per 48 minutes. On a per 36 minute basis, that comes out to 7.8 rebounds a game.
The “new Marvin” looks as if he can finally become a good rebounder, especially on the offensive boards. Play him alongside Dwight, and he may look even better. If not, you can always move Marvin back to SF ( which he’d play there anyway even if he started at PF ), and start one of the “stretch 4’s” in Anderson or Radmanovic.
As far as the other positions, Zaza would still be your backup center and even be featured alongside Dwight in a “Twin Towers” type look. Even everybody’s favorite backup PF, Ivan Johnson, may get more run at PF, splitting time with long shooting Ryan Anderson.
Bench
PG – Hinrich ( when he comes back ) / Pargo
G – Green ( but he or Pargo will be gone once Hinrich comes back )
F – Radmanovic
F – Anderson/I. Johnson
C – Zaza
So in essence, losing Horford + Smith would mean adding the most dominant force at center in the league, plus adding a “stretch 4″ in Anderson. Shoot, when we get healthy, you could literally throw this lineup on the floor
PG – Hinrich
G – Johnson
F – Radmanovic
F – Anderson
C- Howard
That basically surrounds Howard with a bunch of 3 point shooters.
Hawks will never do that trade though. And the fans that love Smith or Horford would be totally against it. They would get over it in a week though, after they see how much more efficient the team would become.
northcyde
December 30th, 2011
5:03 pm
Hawks fans talk out of the sides of their mouths. Had we lost these 2 games, 80% of the fans would be talking about blowing this team up. But because we looked impressive against two bad teams, now people don’t want to make a move.
Folks . . to win a championship, you need a SUPERSTAR.
PERIOD.
You can win GAMES without a superstar, but you can’t win championships without one. Unless this current squad becomes the Detroit Pistons, and just starts shutting EVERYONE down defensively, they’re not winning a title.
You do the Dwight trade
northcyde
December 30th, 2011
5:04 pm
YOu do the Dwight trade ONLY if you’re serious about possibly playing for a title.
And even if D-12 leaves after one year, you’d have Teague and Johnson still as our backcourt, with a ton of cap space to go after a good frontline player.
But the move should only be made if the ASG/Gearon/Sund are SERIOUS about going for an NBA Title.
They’ll play it safe though, and do nothing.
Mike
December 30th, 2011
5:07 pm
I like Smith and Horford too but I am a Atlanta Hawks fan, and if this trade make us better, then I am all for it because the goal is to get to the NBA Championship and if we can get one step closer for that, then we know what to do.
Rufus1
December 30th, 2011
5:16 pm
Northcyde
I would make that trade for all the reasons you listed and so would the Magic.
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
5:19 pm
45 years NO ECF NO CHAMPIONSHIPS??????????????????????????????????? WTF???????????
GET IF DONE GEARON!!!!!!!!JETTISON THE CORE AND GET A SUPER DUPER ALL in D12 YESTERDAY!!!
Enough is Enough, pull the trigger and make it HAPPEN! AYE CAPTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
December 30th, 2011
5:21 pm
I SEE STARS???????????????????
“SUPERSTARS WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS” Quote: Northcyde!
Mike
December 30th, 2011
5:23 pm
Also, you can still try to have him to extend with us, I am not going to give up some of younger player from a 3 month rentals. If D12 is serious about coming here and willing to stay here as well, then pulled the tigger on this.
If Dwight was a big Hawks fans when he was younger, then maybe he would understand about Manning deal and what happened after that to this team. If he and his agent is willing to listen to us and put an effort to resign here then do the trade.
Steven A
December 30th, 2011
5:26 pm
Hawks must clear salary for 1st round draft pick plus they should make a solid run at JR Smith once
he gets a buyout from his Chinese team….If they cannot trade Joe before the deadline, will he be
amnestied? Teague is PG of the future. JR Smith would be an excllent “2″ guard for the next 5-6
years.
DB
December 30th, 2011
5:30 pm
DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT Trade for Dwight Howard…its easy for everyone to fall in love with the hometown hero crap. For what you have to give up to get him we would not field a competitive team. He simply does not fit the offense we have. He needs to be in a offense where there are shooters around so he can kick out when he is doubleteamed. This isnt it. We have streaky shooters with slashers on the squad with the exception of JJ ….DO NOT MAKE THIS DEAL
Steven A
December 30th, 2011
5:30 pm
Joe Johnson has lost a few steps. His best days are behind him. I would have never re-signed Joe
after his performance in the post-season against the Bulls, No way!!!
Mike
December 30th, 2011
5:36 pm
@DB
Actually he does fit this offense, since he can actually get into the low block and he can pass really good from there, it will be a field day for JJ, who is deadly when he is a catch and shoot and Teague who can get into the hole and score close to the basket/
Steven A
December 30th, 2011
5:38 pm
Dwight Howard–JR Smith—Jeff Tegue–Kurt Heinrich–Radmonivich, T Mac plus any decent PF puts you deep into the playoffs. Make a trade for Howard ASAP.
Rufus1
December 30th, 2011
5:41 pm
The Bulls are trying to give-up Boozer and Noah for D12…or Josh and Al….Which is the better trade?
Phuch Le` Duch
December 30th, 2011
5:42 pm
pronounced / foosh le duke
joe johnson, marvin williams, and zauer pachulea gets it done.
the hawks will place this both of this years second round picks and 2013 first round pick into the deal.
the hawks will take back chris duhon and dwight howard.
at least that’s what i’m hearing while i’m down here in florida awaiting the outback bowl.
i usually post on the dawgvent. godawgs
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
5:47 pm
DB, are your initials really AH?
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
5:48 pm
Do You Even Have To Ask?
“@drmaryb.[*_*].
*slap internet High 5*” -Mike-
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What would Jerry do? LOL! Hey Mike, these people are clinging to their ceiling (multiple 2nd round exits), and afraid to reach for the sky! (the unknown). They would rather play with the devil they know than the one they don’t. Skurred … skurred … scarey people.
Listen up my friends! YOU MAKE THE TRADE! Is that clear enough for you?
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Listen Up!
The Hawks NEED a center. Al said he is a natural PF and Josh and himself need some SIZE help in the post to be any type of a contender for a title. So, unless yawl see a dominant big man walking through the Hawks tunnel tonight, then you go and get the 1st ballot HOFer – Dwight.
All that other stuff yawl are talking is cow dung. Period.
If you don’t want to be “relevant”? Then, at least be “real”-istic. I you don’t believe me, then call Jerry Buss and Kupchak and, ask them IF you do the deal? They would lAugh you off the phone in utter disbelief. Do you even have to ask?
sportschick
December 30th, 2011
5:50 pm
Although the opponets were not that great u still have to play these teams. Even the Miami Heat and MC u and Sekou Smith really hoping the hawks fail this season I see. Just so u can tell the world ( I told you so). Eventhough the hawks opponets have not been great there is something I see in this team in the past 2 games that I didnt see last season. They are putting their foot on these “BAD” teams and not letting up. U see last season they played down to their competition this year they are ballin and not looking back. I know noone in the media will give them props until they beat a quality team like on monday but I’m giving them props now. GO HAWKS MAKE YOUR HATERS YOUR MOTIVATORS!!!!!
Steven A
December 30th, 2011
5:51 pm
Al Horford is a defensive liability, he cannot protect the rim…He must be replaced for the Hawks to
advance in the playoffs.
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
5:51 pm
Phuch Le` Duch,
Do you live in Tampa or just visiting for the Georgia game?
My wife considered giving me a ticket to the game, but I reminded her that we have the first of our four children in college so we should save the $100. If I had known that my mother in law was going to be here all week I think I would have taken the ticket.
Steven A
December 30th, 2011
5:57 pm
The Orlando Magic want a BIG for Dwight. It will be Andrew Bynum, guaranteeeeeed!!!!!
KevinM
December 30th, 2011
6:02 pm
“Sources told ESPN.com that the Hawks’ offer to Orlando definitely featured $124 million guard Joe Johnson. Expanding such an offer to include Horford, an All-Star in the East as well, would obviously be harder for the Hawks to digest, but Josh Smith’s close friendship with Howard, as Michael Cunningham of the Atlanta Journal Constitution suggested this week, would seem to give Atlanta cause to keep Smith around”
This makes the most sense in any rumor we have heard. You have to give to get folks, and we are getting the top C in the game. You have to pay something and giving ORL that salary just makes me giddy.
Any move for D12 has to include Joe, plain and simple.
We aren’t LA or NY; we can’t handle 2 guys taking up over 50% of our cap. Gearon isn’t moving into lux cap land as an owner, so we’re going to have to do this within our limits.
What else goes with Joe? Well, Al should go too and then we take back a Reddick or JRich and roll with it. Can we get a better 2 in the near future? Its easier than getting a C or PG, that we know. Our strategy would be a game of inside working outside that’s for sure.
Sund: “I can get D12/change for Al and Joe.”
Sund’s conscience: You can’t do it; you can’t go out and top that Ray Allen deal you did last decade! You have built this contender! You fool!”
KevinM
December 30th, 2011
6:03 pm
Sund’s conscience: “And you can’t trade Marvin now! He has had back-2-back good games”
Astro Joe
December 30th, 2011
6:06 pm
northcyde, Howard isn’t the one. It may require a superstar to win a title but Howard isn’t the one. Not every superstar can win a title.
Steven A
December 30th, 2011
6:09 pm
I would not give up a no 1 draft pick for Howard until maybe 2013. Hawks will need this years pick for
the BEST available PF or SF.
Just Joe
December 30th, 2011
6:17 pm
Joe and Al is better than Noah and Boozer. Chicago does have the Bobcats protected first round pick to sweeten their offer with though. It’s pretty well protected until 2016 though.
I’ll take the defensive potential of Teague, Hinrich, Marvin, Josh & Dwight though. Sign Gilbert Arenas and offer the full MLE to JR Smith.
Steven A
December 30th, 2011
6:18 pm
If Shaq can win a title, Howard can as well. Once Al is traded, Hawks need to bring in Andrei Kirielenko. Josh Smith –Dwight Howard–Andre Kirileneko–Heinrich—Teague. This team
can beat the Bulls, but not the Heat.
jake
December 30th, 2011
6:20 pm
AK-47 is washed up beyond belife.
Steven A
December 30th, 2011
6:23 pm
“Just Joe” 1st guy on this blog that makes real common sense
I’ll take the defensive potential of Teague, Hinrich, Marvin, Josh & Dwight though. Sign Gilbert Arenas and offer the full MLE to JR Smith.
KevinM
December 30th, 2011
6:27 pm
I trade 2 all-stars for one in a NY minute.
What is the least amount of extra salary we would have to take on in that scenario? Would taking on QRich be enough to balance out the salary numbers?
Just Joe
December 30th, 2011
6:28 pm
Difference in Dwight’s team last year and the potential Hawks squad is perimeter defense, a real backup center, and a shot blocking PF by his side.
Steven A
December 30th, 2011
6:34 pm
I think Dwight would work well with Coach Drew. He dislikes Stan Van Gundy. Who likes a boss who is always screaming? Sort of like “BAD MARRIAGE”
northcyde
December 30th, 2011
6:42 pm
Astro . . you are correct in saying that every superstar can’t win a title. Two things are truths though”
- Howard has gotten to an NBA Finals
- The Hawks haven’t gotten out of the 2nd round with The Core
While my proposed trade would be Smith + Horford for Dwight. I’m not against trading Joe + Smith or Horford for Dwight either.
Like I’ve been saying, if the Hawks wouldn’t make a trade like this involving 2 of our stars, they’ll never make a trade. Or if they do make a trade, it’ll be when that player is in a full decline, which will bring back a less talented player.
If the Hawks do this, I liken it to the move the Phoenix Suns made when they traded Marion for Shaq. IN that case though, they simply moved the wrong guy. Marion would’ve been a much better fit alongside Shaq, because Marion didn’t need the ball to be effective. Amare did . . which is why those two had trouble co-existing. Had they traded Amare instead of Marion, the Suns may have won their championship.
But it was a good risk to take regardless, because that team as is was not getting to the NBA Finals. And had the Suns owner not been a cheap azz, and given Amare a max contract, the Suns would still be relevant in the West.
It’s all dependent on what the Hawks want to do. There isn’t going to be a perfect trade we can make. They may have to give up more than they want, to get the player that they want.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 30th, 2011
6:46 pm
The best thing about those numbers is seeing the Hawks in the top 10 in free throw rate. If they are going to get to the line frequently, I don’t even mind them shooting a high percentage of long 2s.
Blast
December 30th, 2011
6:47 pm
After Hawks whooped the Wizards, Wall said:
“They’ve got so much energy,” said Washington’s John Wall. “All they did was attack, attack, attack. They were just making their shots.”
Hawks need to continue thie mode of play.
Blast
December 30th, 2011
6:48 pm
This mode of play.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 30th, 2011
6:49 pm
“My point is that one guyget the praise even though his defense actually showed up in big games, while the other guy is being blamed for losses when his defense is getting shredded.”
One guy had a turnover returned for a TD in each of his playoff losses, while the other guy never did. That makes for a pretty significant difference too.
Make all the excuses you want, but Vick made it to the NFC championship game at the same age that Ryan was a rookie. Ain’t no way around that.
Wabe
December 30th, 2011
6:49 pm
I like northcyde’s deal better than moving JJ. I’m just wondering where the points would come from if we traded Horford and JJ.
You’re talking about trading away the Hawks premier scorers in JJ and Horford. We’d improve substantially defensively, but honestly, we’d be left with what in the backcourt?
Teague, Kirk, Pargo, and Willie Green? If we could possibly get J.Rich out of the deal, it’d look a bit better. It’d be funny to see J.Rich and Zaza end up on the same team after the little fracus they had in the playoffs last season.
Still, I think the goal should be to push us over the top, not just get us a Superstar. Would trading JJ and Horford for Dwight get us over the top? I think we’d be lacking in the backcourt, especially considering your road to get to the NBA Finals goes through Wade/LBJ.
Wabe
December 30th, 2011
6:50 pm
One guy will be sitting at home watching the playoffs…
While the other guy will be playing in them…
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
6:53 pm
And …
“Difference in Dwight’s team last year and the potential Hawks squad is perimeter defense, a real backup center, and a shot blocking PF by his side.” -just joe-
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And … Don’t forget Ivan Johnson, I wonder if he could play the SF position? Possibilities galore … Problem is – do you trust Rick Sund & ASKG brain trust?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 30th, 2011
6:57 pm
“- Howard has gotten to an NBA Finals
- The Hawks haven’t gotten out of the 2nd round with The Core”
More accurately, Howard has gotten to the NBA Finals, whereas the Hawks haven’t gotten out of the 2nd round AT ALL IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THIS FRANCHISE IN THIS CITY.
ryan
December 30th, 2011
7:03 pm
Kind of interesting Horford heading back to Florida and Howard heading home hopefully if this happens could be the biggest trade in Atlanta sports history what a way to kick off 2012 with a bang .
Blast
December 30th, 2011
7:05 pm
Here we go again with all these crazy fantasy trades. I just don’t deal in fantasies. I deal in real life. I am just not going to screw my nuts over trades that possibly might never happen.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
7:16 pm
22 Games and Counting …
Uggh! Hella Yeah “You Big Dummie!” You do the trade for 22 games and a bag of Cheetos. LOL
If you can’t do it for the Love of Basketball then you do it for the people! This town, this city and these fans deserve a winner! We don’t need no losers.
“It’s better to have had Dwight for 22 games than to have never had him at all. At least you tried. Real fans can never get mad at the owner for trying to win a championship. The calamity is to have never tried at all.
Vino
December 30th, 2011
7:19 pm
Marvin Williams is going to be a 20/10 guy this season it will be hard to give him up for Dwight in a trade AL horford and hinrich couple picks but other than that F@$& the Dwight trade we are doing really well right now only centers to give horford problems are Dwight and Bynum and they dint have a better team than us right now!!!
Rent Dwight my ass Marvin is the key people!!!!
Blog man you are totally rite!!!!
Michael Cunningham
December 30th, 2011
7:22 pm
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.