Atlanta Hawks: Video: Solid victory in home opener
My CineSport recap of Atlanta’s victory over the Wizards in the home opener. (Cut me a little slack, blog people. I was sleepy.)
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KZ
December 29th, 2011
11:49 am
Hi
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
11:52 am
We won!!
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
11:53 am
I mean didn’t the Wizards beat us like by 96 or something in April?
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
11:57 am
Key to this season so far? Our off season. We had some guys who cared during the off-season, trained hard to get better, and the results are showing to this point on the court.
I think last years trip to the semi’s, more than the first two years there, got this team hungry to go farther. And we have about a two year window, before Joe just gets too old, unless we get fortunate on a couple of good 1st picks the next two drafts, for some good energy off the bench.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
11:57 am
Some of you guys are silly. You know it was the Wizards right?
Rebounding is about mentality to a degree? And to another degree McGee is a stringbean, Blatche is an immobile idiot and Rashard Lewis is immobile and washed up. etc etc
Lets see what happens when we go to visit guys who’ll likely have Homecourt Advantages in the playoffs ie the Heat or the Bulls.
hawks_4_life
December 29th, 2011
11:59 am
This has been an awesome holiday for me before I go back overseas.
I saw my hawks win their season opener and Ill get to see my cowboys win their season finale. Times like this make it hard to go back.
Keep winning hawks
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
12:03 pm
Beware the Nets! Why? Whenever you blow out a team the way we did them the other night, the tendency is, is not to play as hard against them the next time you meet.
And the tendency of the other team is too play harder to avoid the blowout again.
So it may be a little bit of a trap game for us, that could get out of hand if we allow NJ to get on a roll.
You don’t want the Nets hanging around until the last 2 minutes of the game in other words. Stomp’um early, and go about your business.
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
12:08 pm
The Heat are playing the big 3 too many minutes in a compressed schedule. Yes, the Heat catch some breaks, like 3 or 4 days off in the middle of January, because they started early. But they still play some really tough stretches. Spoelestra may need to takes some L’s now to have a healthy team for the playoffs.
And Pargo and Green are still learning the system – Our last two guys signed. Judge them in a couple of weeks.
honest_abe
December 29th, 2011
12:09 pm
ken: no disrespect but i haven’t read one of your posts in some time. what i wrote about pargo had nothing to do with you. happy new years buddy.
Leo
December 29th, 2011
12:12 pm
It is way too early to get overly happy or to be antagonistic towards our Team. Let’s wait 25 Games and look at this again.
zachdahater
December 29th, 2011
12:12 pm
The Nets are worthless. At worst they’ll put up a better fight. Gotta watch Anthony Morrow. I don’t think Williams will try too hard useless the rest of the team shows up. Other than that, I think he’s pretty bummed out and depressed that he has to be on this wack team.
MAKE EM’ CRY UNCLE HAWKS!!! SHOW NO MERCY!!
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
12:14 pm
HONEST ABE-Happy New Year to you to.
zachdahater
December 29th, 2011
12:15 pm
Speaking of depressed, POOR JORDAN CRAWFORD! He really doesn’t seem happy, especially after letting the Nets steal that game where they were up 21 points.
Slimjr
December 29th, 2011
12:16 pm
When was the last time the Hawks beat the Thunder? 5 years ago?
Time to sweep this team!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Slimjr
December 29th, 2011
12:17 pm
BULLS AND HEAT=Nightmare for All ’set shot”…
KevinM
December 29th, 2011
12:20 pm
In reference to Pargo, I heard how Mark Jackson was complementing Ish Smith last night. That is the guy who I thought we could have used as a good complement to JT. Time will tell, but Ish had some good games in Houston last year.
Teague vs. Deron – Round 2 Friday
FreshFromATL
December 29th, 2011
12:23 pm
No bad MC, not bad at all. Just inject a little more energy and you will have something going there.
Tremaine
December 29th, 2011
12:28 pm
Wow, Marvin Williams is trending on Rotoworld.
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
12:33 pm
Last yr there were complaits about the inability of the Hawks to put away weaker teams like the Nets and Wizzards. Now we’re hearing complaints and/or excuses about them actually being able to put those very teams away. STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES. I love our current bench. I’d take this bench, without Jamal, over our previous benches, with Jamal, any day of the week. TMac is a better defender, rebounder, penetrator, passer and facilitor, and he offers more varsitility.
Radmanovic is Jamal’s equal as a 3pt shooter, is a much better rebounder, and a far more willing defender. Pargo and Green are both much better defenders, and offer us more OFF and DEF options. And IJohnson gives us more energy, agressiveness, physicality and rebounding potential than EThomas, JPowell, or HThomas would have ever provided.
This is why I’ve been so high on this team.
FreshFromATL
December 29th, 2011
12:36 pm
Marvin Williams
17 points, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block
The boy put up a “Josh Smith” type of stat line. If we can get this type of production from Marvin, look the Hell out!
leedsatlantadeepdirtybench!
December 29th, 2011
12:44 pm
Atlanta’s bench was ranked 16th in scoring last year at 30.3 points per game average.
No reason why they cannot be averaging 40-43 points per game this year especially when Hinrich is back!
JSS
December 29th, 2011
12:45 pm
Marvin is off to a great start!
@ Ken Strickland…
I ain’t complaining one bit!
Ray
December 29th, 2011
12:46 pm
@ Ken Strickland
Reason for the complaints is it’s so early in the season I’ll give them this much they’re not playing down to the weaker competition.
As for Pargo and Green I’d rather keep Green and cut Pargo if he plays like that again he can pack his bags and GTFO just saying.
Compared to what we had to work with last year where it felt like we only had 6 players it feels as though we got at least 11 this year.
Someone either on this blog or another called for Etan Thomas to come back please get him out of here.
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
12:55 pm
We now have our PG of the future in JTeague. Actually, we’ve had him all along, but due to circumstances beyond his handlers control, and the circumstances of last yrs playoffs, Drew was forced to let him out of the cage he had him in. A healthy Marvin, along with the addition of TMac, gives us solid and potentially consistent scoring, rebounding and DEF from the SF position. The Hawks will be a serious contender and a formitable foe come playoff time.
Rev in Tampa
December 29th, 2011
1:02 pm
Atlanta gets the Heat both times in January on the back end of a back-to-back for the Heat. The Heat play the Bobcats on January 1 in Miami and then the Hawks go to Miami on January 2. Hopefully the Bobcats will give them fits again.
The Pacers play the Heat on January 4 in Miami and then the Heat come to Atlanta on January 5.
Meanwhile, the Hawks have the day off each time they play the Heat.
Rod from College Park
December 29th, 2011
1:11 pm
” I’ve got my body in better shape, and I feel better. I was never going to make excuses, but my back was bothering me the last two or three years. I had a discectomy [June 8]. Basically, I had a disk pressing up against a nerve and it was making my leg numb. A lot of times I would be out there, and my leg would just start tingling. Man, [the NBA lockout] was a blessing for me. A lot of other guys wouldn’t say that, but having that much time to get healthy really helped.”
– Marvin Williams.
All this Marvin love is funny. The guy has played like a professional basketball player for the first two games of the season, against Rashaad Lewis and Damien James. In two games he is averaging 15.5ppg, 8.5 rpg, and 41%FG. I was impressed with him taking the open shots with no hesitation, and playing aggressive. This is how he should always play. Let’s not crown him so fast. He does have 6 years of stats and games that we have used to form an opinion on him on. If the above quote from Marvin is true, then the Hawks medical staff should all be fired. If this guy was walking around with his leg numbing, and a disc pressing against a nerve for 3 years, and did not have surgery earlier, then we have some very incompotent doctors working for the Hawks. Lets wait a couple of games before we make him the best player on the Hawks team (LOL). He does look much better this year, but I am sure that the back problems stem from the fact that he falls so much, because he is always off balance. Lets also hope that his balance is better, because Marvin hitting the boards, and taking and making open shots makes the Hawks a much better team.
The team looks good so far, and I am glad the Drew understands that he will have to play his bench this year. TMac look better than I thought, and if he can stay healthy, he will be the key guy for this team to progress past the second round.
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
1:20 pm
RAY-As you said, they’re not playing down to the weaker teams. It certainly not too early for you to realize that fact. Please don’t forget that Pargo didn’t participate in any of our training camp, and hasn’t completely learned our OFF/DEF systems, or his teammates. He’s also nothing more than a fill in until Hinrich returns. Both Green and Hinrich are combo guards, which gives us more size and versatility. His primary job at this point is to provide rest for Teague, run the OFF, and continue to push the ball and play solid perimeter DEF.
Don’t worry about the number of jumpshots we’re taking. Remember, in adding Radmanovic, Green, Pargo, TMac, and Johnson, we’ve added 5 new players who are pretty good jumpshooters, while losing only one(JCrawford). In addition to the number of jumpshots we’ve taken, we’ve also had an increase in the number of FTs taken in the last 2gms.
Doesn’t it seem rather hippocritical for those who claim IT’S TOO EARLY TO JUDGE, to have no problem whatsoever in passing judgement on any player they don’t particularly like within the same time frame?
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
1:27 pm
I hear that Lebron feller is much more physical than Damien James and an aging Rashard Lewis.
Is it true?
Keep up the balance Marvin. smh
darrell starks
December 29th, 2011
1:30 pm
Big words for Marvin, keep it bro.
My MVP so far this season.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
KZ
December 29th, 2011
1:31 pm
“Atlanta gets the Heat both times in January on the back end of a back-to-back for the Heat. The Heat play the Bobcats on January 1 in Miami and then the Hawks go to Miami on January 2. Hopefully the Bobcats will give them fits again.
The Pacers play the Heat on January 4 in Miami and then the Heat come to Atlanta on January 5.
Meanwhile, the Hawks have the day off each time they play the Heat.”
Doesn’t mean much.
Lakers beat Utah on the 3rd of a b2b2b
Slimjr
December 29th, 2011
1:32 pm
Trade ALL NBA AL and some filler for D12 asap. Make it so.. AYE CAPTAIN!!!!!
We got to win a Championship now!
Win Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike is Back
December 29th, 2011
1:33 pm
Rev in Tampa, I believe the performance by Marvin is for real…he just looks pain free…trust me after going through some major surgery myself…I know what it feels like to be pain free. A healthy Marvin on top of his game…could be A MATCHUP NIGHTMARE for a lot of teams.
If we get double doubles out of Josh, Al, and Marvin in multiple games…that spells trouble for the opposition.
darrell starks
December 29th, 2011
1:35 pm
Marvin being aggressive in stayed of standing around like past 3 years, is the big differnce in his game thus far.
Continue the good work Marvin and Rod from CP will be proud of you LOL!!!!!!!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
December 29th, 2011
1:39 pm
Hey Marvin, I’m sorry I ripped into you the past 3 seasons…I had no idea you were hurt like that?
Glad to hear and see you are well and kickin some azz out there dude!! Keep up the good work Sir!!
darrell starks
December 29th, 2011
1:41 pm
Have Marvin finally matured as a NBA player ?
Time will tell only 2 games played so far.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Hawks4Eva
December 29th, 2011
1:42 pm
Rev in Tampa
December 29th, 2011
1:02 pm
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Excellent observation and point. Dem are da breaks!
honest_abe
December 29th, 2011
1:43 pm
ok last point on pargo. it’s not like this guy is a rookie. he’s always sucked and he sucks even more now. end of discussion.
hittman jamillion
December 29th, 2011
1:46 pm
A Stretch Im just wondering why are we so high off the bulls a good team yes a championship team no. They are like ais sixers,but drose is no a.i. One very good and a bunch of role players who arent great so they sacrfice their bodies for defense. We are better than them we rarely play to our potential.
Now Doc the Heat I think is a real title contender,along with spurs,clips, thunder,and maybe Denver. I agree the heat have Wade and Lebron but after that I think the two best players are JJ & AL & maybe then Josh. I’m just not fond of finesse bigs, I want my bigs rebounding and being tough and he plays too soft for me. I like our chances.
Oh yeah doc I wasn’t saying jc stopped Marvin’s growth but what I’m saying is valid it’s like hey you in the allstar game your season avg can’t be twenty if you getting ten minutes and kobe getting twenty. We can’t beat time or numbers
KZ
December 29th, 2011
1:50 pm
Al on the radio now. Says our goal is to be the best team we can be.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
December 29th, 2011
1:51 pm
“We can’t beat time or numbers”
Unless one is a drummer.
KZ
December 29th, 2011
1:56 pm
Last night I could not find any stats on the game besides one line overhead. What happened to this arena? ASG needs to step up
FreshFromATL
December 29th, 2011
1:57 pm
Rod From CP,
I must agree with you. How does a player’s leg go numb during the game and no one takes notice, WTF? But then again, this is ASG we’re talking about here, shouldn’t be too much of a surprise. What’s even scarier though is that if there was no lockout, Marvin likely wouldn’t have gotten the surgery, SMH.
*shivers at the thought*
vava74
December 29th, 2011
1:57 pm
Its funny that people are so harsh on Pargo.
He is known to be a bad shooter for his whole career, mostly due to poor shot selection. It’s not that this should surprise anyone.
But yesterday, the majority of his shots were all wide open, within the normal development of the offense and not forced. He simply did not get them to go in.
If he had been throwing bricks on transition or trying to play here, fine, you could all criticize.
I don’t remember some of the guys killing Pargo on the blog being so harsh on Jamal who could go 3 or 4 games in a row ICE COLD whilst bringing zero else to the table.
Pargo had a very decent game in NJ, doing a very good job on D, which is something that Sloan has proven not to be able to do (he is a freeway, even worst on D than Jamal and Bibby together).
Yesterday the match up was a lot more difficult since Wall is virtually unstoppable so practically everyone gets burned by him.
Pargo is our 3rd string PG, so lay off a bit!!!
Both he and Green are new comers which did not even had the benefit of a few days to work and know the system: they are learning and Green was sitting at home so he is probably not even physically ready to work his game.
Maybe
December 29th, 2011
2:01 pm
Vava74, Co-sign
FreshFromATL
December 29th, 2011
2:02 pm
Vava74,
Agree 100%.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
2:02 pm
All American Al … lol. sounding like Jameer or some backup.
No more media for this guy. Trade him for Bogut and Leuer or if Im crazy enough to dream Dwight and Andersen/Turkoglu.
I doubt that Horford for Dwight will fly. AT ALL. Now Leuer is starting to impress around the league. But Mbah a Moute and Gooden are owed more money and should play right away instead of developing the perimeter Leuer.
Bogut 1 year removed from injury is a good for a Tyson Chandler type 30mpg as predicted.
I though Jon Leer and Bogut could have been had before but now… Probably have to wait till Bucks slide out of playoffs, because if they;re locked into playoffs no way they want to go to war with Horford.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
2:05 pm
All Bosh has to do is stand and finesse from 17 feet. No one likes him but he delivers more oft than not.
FreshFromATL
December 29th, 2011
2:07 pm
Over/under the number of games until Smith.Leuer.Bogut have a nervous breakdown on the blog like the almighty TS? Anyone remember him? LMAO.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
2:13 pm
Piqued my curiosity. Someone here had a Nervous breakdown? What do you mean? Over the Hawks? Who’s TS?
He must have bet on the Hawks beating the Bulls. I dont bet lol.
honest_abe
December 29th, 2011
2:13 pm
vava: whatever. who’s talking about pargo starting? not me. we all know what he is role is so no need to expound on that point. but he’s not an nba guard. the guy is a career 38% shooter! a 38% shooter! what you saw last night is not an aberration. he’s god awful. he turns it over like it’s nobody’s business. so tell me exactly what he does well. i think you mentioned something about his d. really? i’ve yet to see him come close to guarding anyone. look i know he’s a end of the bench player all i’m saying is he doesn’t even deserve a freaking seat! go look at his career. the guy has been a joke for too long. even his passes are god awful.
willie green on the other hand has a lot of value. he’s tough, hard working guy that can hit an occasional jumper. he’s got high basketball iq and should contribute throughout the season. its too bad the same can’t be said for pargo.
Mike
December 29th, 2011
2:14 pm
@Smith.Leuer.Bogut
I am so sorry, man but Al is going to be traded for Howard and nobody else unless you think that ASG will go over the LT for Bogut.
But Al needs to realize to play for a NBA Championship is your goal, not being the best team you can be.
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
2:14 pm
Teague is about what I thought: Above average scorer, defender, Average court vision, passer. All in all, not an elite PG, but he does take care of the BB. I see him with a Devin Harris type of ceiling, not a DRose, CP3 kind of potential.
But I’ll take it.
FreshFromATL
December 29th, 2011
2:16 pm
Smith.Leuer.Bogut.
The almighty TS shut the blog down for about 2-3 weeks. He had a scary fascination with Hordford.
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
2:18 pm
In a playoff matchup, the Hawks stack up pretty good against Chicago:
Teague and Hinrich can give Rose and Watson fits.
JJ can handle Rip and Brewer and Korver for that matter
Marvin can come close to Deng, especially if this new Marvin holds up – And TMac is better than anybody Chicago has as a backup 3
Up front, Al and Josh can hang with Boozer and Noah. ZaZa and VladRad can hang with Asik and Gibson.
We are really close to them as far as matchups go. I think Teague and Hinrich being able to at least stay with Rose hurts Chicago’s attack
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
2:19 pm
And I like our matchups against the Heat also. I think the Heat are concerned about the Hawks even a little bit. They know our athleticism matches their game.
Mike
December 29th, 2011
2:21 pm
The Bulls is one thing but you have to deal wtih Heat, Knicks and I wont count out the C’s either. I think next week will tell you the story of how they can do against teams like that.
hawks_4_life
December 29th, 2011
2:29 pm
Game II of Teague starting he is being judged lol. REALLY?
Sautee
December 29th, 2011
2:36 pm
“I though Jon Leer and Bogut could have been had before but now… Probably have to wait till Bucks slide out of playoffs, because if they;re locked into playoffs no way they want to go to war with Horford.”
LOL, like they would have made that trade two weeks ago, but NOW, we have to wait because…HUH?
If they wouldn’t want him NOW for the playoffs, why would they POSSIBLY have wanted him two weeks ago?
Horford is either enough for them to trade for, or he’s not. Geeeeeeeez.
And if you think he’s NOT, then do us a favor and stop posting the same trade idea incessantly.
If you truly believe what you just posted about the Bucks, then there’s no real need for you to be posting this idea again until they are out of the playoffs.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
2:40 pm
Marvin cannot come close to Deng, and the rebounding advantage is Chicago’s.
The purpose is not to “hang”with a team. The purpose is to give yourself an advantage.
Lakers don’t say Pau can hang with most centers. They say Pau and Bynum lets us grab every other board and get easy layups. We control the rebound control the ball and we control the game .
Hawks give up rebounds and size and it tumbles from there. “Big lineups” wont work because they lack in outside shooting and other skills.
I will be tuned into Lebron vs Marvin. And Joe vs Wade. And Norris Cole has an easier job than Teague. MIA is a defensive unit and Bosh can shoot over our front court players. etc etc
I’ll try not to put too much stock into reg season Jan 1 game but thats a statement game Jan1
Wabe
December 29th, 2011
2:47 pm
I don’t think it’s fair to say Teague ain’t an elite PG just yet…
Dude was the 6th or 7th PG taken in that draft, not top 2-3. Gotta give him time to learn the position and work on his own game.
I don’t deny what folks are saying about him being elite right out the gate just yet, even though he looked pretty beasty against those Bulls. His numbers don’t indicate that he’s ‘elite’, but he’s the what, 4th – 5th option when he’s on the floor behind everybody else. I think he gets his looks through the flow of the offense. Some of those other PG’s have the ability to get their shots off whenever they want, because they are ‘the guy’.
At this stage in Teague’s career, I think he’s just focused on being an efficient PG that doesn’t make too many mistakes.
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ToeKnee
December 29th, 2011
2:55 pm
why is everybody throwing pargo under the bus so quickly? hes had some good moments, yall r just copying what others r saying he’ll be productive for us this year, i like him.and green.i like all the additions.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 29th, 2011
2:59 pm
A few people mentioned this on the previous blog, but it is inexcusable for Philips Arena not to display the stats of the players on the floor on the big stat boards they have hanging from the ceiling. They usually have done this in years past, so maybe they just didn’t have them ready for the opener, but it is still inexcusable. I didn’t know who half the players on the Wizards bench were based on their jersey numbers, and nowhere in the arena did it say.
Wouldn’t be as big of a deal if I could get a signal on my phone inside the arena, though. Free Wi-fi in the arena would be nice.
Good to see Marvin’s grandma back posting on the blog. She is one of the funniest people who posts here.
ICECOLD
December 29th, 2011
3:02 pm
trade Al Horford before they expose him .. He is too mechanical , doesn’t have post moves and he should like Florida and Florida should love him because he brought them 2 national championships…. Trade Al Horford Kirk Hinrich and and A first round pick for Dwight Howard and Turkalu… Pretty even trade to me and both teams win..
I wouldnt trade Joe for him, I dont think the Hawks could replace the 2 position , and T mac is not the answer at two.. but it would be interestting to see Dwight Howard , Al Horford, and Josh Smith all get alleys by Jeff Teague… and the starting 5 would be so young.. and actually.. I think I would start Marvin at the 2.. thats a crazy line up
so now that I think about it.. If they trade Joe Johnson, it might be best for the Hawks as a strarting 5 team…
or
Jeff Joe , Turkalu, Josh and Dwight .. . pick your poison!!! lol
wordsmithtom
December 29th, 2011
3:14 pm
Only way the Hawks can afford to sign DH after the trade, and unless you have the money to sign him, renting him for one year makes no sense.
I’d do the trade with JJ and AH. Put Marvin at the 2, and use TMac and Vlad at 3 until Kirk comes back. Then Marvin reverts to 3. Weakens bench, but more than made up by strength at 5.
Sautee
December 29th, 2011
3:16 pm
“Trade Al Horford Kirk Hinrich and and A first round pick for Dwight Howard and Turkalu… Pretty even trade to me and both teams win..”
Otis Smith is not THAT dumb. It’s not CLOSE to being an even trade, IMHO. I’m not a big D12 fan, but he’s a LOT better than you obviously think. Or else it’s just another fantasy trade like so many here.
Slimjr
December 29th, 2011
3:28 pm
give em Joe and All “1950’s set shot” for D12…Yesterday!
We want a championship in the ATL…You can be the best team you can be down in Florida All whatever…..
yoursporthouse.com
December 29th, 2011
3:29 pm
ICECOLD, thank you, thank you, thank you…Al Horford is very mechanical and has no post moves. It is better to trade him while you can get something for him.
Slimjr
December 29th, 2011
3:32 pm
You cant have D12, All NBA and Josh on the floor at the same time..Not enough floor spacing and none of them are true shooters just wanna be’s..
Besides ya have to give up ALL NBA because he has the most trade value anyway.. Get it done ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!..
KevinM
December 29th, 2011
3:38 pm
With Jeff Teague being drafted in ‘09, it was an excellent year to pull a PG. While I give Sund credit for it, he could have easily traded up for a Jonny Flynn also. Some of the names that year:
Minny – Rubio and Flynn, 5&6
GS – Curry at 7
Sac – Tyreke Evans at 3
Mil – Brandon Jennings at 10
Phi – Jrue Holiday at 17
Minny, traded to Denver – Ty Lawson at 18
ATL – Teague at 19
OKC – Maynor at 20
NO, then Indy – Collison at 21
I gotta say this crop may be the best ever in one draft. I say Teague can hold his own with any of them. Perhaps you draft on what position is loaded as opposed to need, unlike what we did the year we chose Shellhead.
Can anyone tell me why we even have divisions in the NBA other than maybe for scheduling? Are they beneficial in a tiebreaker scenario?
The last thing I want to hear is a Gearon coming out and saying how we are fighting for the division crown instead of the LOB trophy. It just sounds like something he would put on his mantle and froth over and tell us only the Lakers and Celtics can claim the same thing…
Does anyone else like the TNT game they play each year on their first night’s coverage? The game is ‘who he play for?’ and EJ tries to get Charles to figure out which players are on which teams. Shaq takes part in this year’s festivities.
KevinM
December 29th, 2011
3:40 pm
MC, speaking of the ‘09 draft, have you considered asking Sund about one of his draft picks that year, Sergiy Gladyr?
I haven’t heard a sniff out of where we stand with him today.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
3:44 pm
Can anyone tell me why we even have divisions in the NBA other than maybe for scheduling? Are they beneficial in a tiebreaker scenario?
Yes. In order to break a tie for playoff positions, if one exists at the end of the regular season, the following criteria will be utilized in the order set forth:
TWO-WAY TIES
1. Results of games against each other.
2. Better winning percentage within own division (only if tied teams are in same division).
3. Better winning percentage against teams in own conference.
4. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in own conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
5. Better winning percentage against playoff opponents in opposite conference (including teams that finished the regular season tied for a playoff position).
6. Better point differential between offense and defense.
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The last thing I want to hear is a Gearon coming out and saying how we are fighting for the division crown instead of the LOB trophy. It just sounds like something he would put on his mantle and froth over and tell us only the Lakers and Celtics can claim the same thing…
So true!
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
3:44 pm
So Teague was the 8th PG drafted or did I miscount?
And no, I’m not judging Teague on 2 games. I’ve been following Teague since Wake. And if you’ll remember I’ve been pushing for him playing more since Woody’s days – and also thought drafting him was a great move.
He’s about what I’ve thought he’d be all along. Judging by his 3 ankle sprains if I’ve counted correctly, he must have weak ankles also.
I’ve said all along I could see Teague as a 15 and 6 or 7 guy on a good team by the time he’s 25. 11 and just under 5 dimes a game is what I predicted last year for him this season, if LD would have sense enough to play him.
Hope I’m wrong and the dude becomes an All Star. He’ll have All Star nights – see Portland. But an all Star season, well that’s a different story.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
3:45 pm
Sergiy was ijured last year iirc. Streaky shooter. with no defense. 6′5 Vlad
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
3:46 pm
And yes, next week will tell some of the tale on our Heat/Bulls challenges. And I think we’ll do enough to scare them.
And that’s without Hinrich.
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
3:48 pm
KevinM – Sund said if the NBA we’re a game of Horse, he would be here. But he needs at least one more year to develop physically.
And on another subject, I knew LD would keep Ivan when he said he liked his “physicality”. One of LD’s favorite words.
KZ
December 29th, 2011
4:02 pm
“Wait—where’d they find the room for Red? you might be asking. Room was made. 400 seats were removed and a $2 million restaurant now fills the space. The restaurant will seat 250 patrons. It seems silly for the arena to destroy seats since those are what bring in the money, but the restaurant was the idea of fans. An interest group that conducted interviews concluded that a good restaurant is just what the arena needed.”
kwooden
December 29th, 2011
4:03 pm
KevinM, don’t for Ricky Rubio, Toney Donglas and Rodrigue Beaubois. Probably the deepest PG draft of all time, if not the best. I was hoping that Ty Lawson fell into our laps that night, but I was fine with picking Jeff over Maynor, Collison or Donglas. I’ve always thought Jeff was the most athletic PG of everyone, but I forgot that Evans is a PG too. He’s a beast at the PG position, but I still see him as a SG.
GO HAWKS!!!
rash
December 29th, 2011
4:09 pm
some of yall people are idiots the hawks are 2-0 instead of 0-2 dont matter who they play they look damn good to me …it dont matter what they do some of yall r haters go to your team site idiots
Sautee
December 29th, 2011
4:10 pm
“An interest group that conducted interviews concluded that a good restaurant is just what the arena needed.”
Odd that they didn’t conclude that a viable contender on the court was more important. But this WAS the ASKG.
Just what the arena needed, eh? Wonder if the “interest group” had a vested interest in building a restaurant.
KZ
December 29th, 2011
4:21 pm
“but the restaurant was the idea of fans”
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KZ
December 29th, 2011
4:23 pm
What’s the K stand for again in ASKG?
KevinM
December 29th, 2011
4:24 pm
kwooden, I was just thinking that perhaps the best way to draft is to go to a position with the most talent, which this ‘09 draft had. Minny for example, drafts 3 PGs, and finally ends up with one to their liking.
I too, had thought Minny would draft another position, and I thought Teague would be a reach, but the more I see, the more I like.
Douglas doesn’t shoot a good percentage and still is trying to find his way as a PG, and Beaubois is the kid that Dallas would not consider in any trade, but only averaging 5pts/2apg right now.
I would hope our PG woes would be over, but one bad ankle would change the potential of this team quickly. We need to get more help there and not wait on Kirk to be ready.
Astro Joe
December 29th, 2011
4:28 pm
After two blowout wins, the blog community still finds a few bones to pick. Y’all are a trip.
Funny how none of the pundits discussed the Spurs in terms of contenders out West. Didn’t they finish with the best record in the conference last season? Pop will rest the older players as needed and will ensure that they are ready for the playoffs. Until Westbrook proves trustworthy, I don’t believe in the Thunder like so many others.
There are countless story lines in the NBA during this short season. Not only is there a good chance that D12 and Deron are traded during the season, I think Steve Nash may also be dealt. Phoenix looks awful so far (they just added Michael Redd) and Nash is a FA next summer. Trading him could jumpstart their re-building efforts. Also, if the Jefferson-Millsap experiment doesn’t work before the trade deadline, I expect one of those guys to be dealt as well. What happens when the Nuggets try to integrate Aaron Brooks and Wilson Chandler into a team that may be the surprise of the conference by March/April?
This is as good as one of those classic TNT thrillers. The NBA, they know drama.
Sautee
December 29th, 2011
4:29 pm
Atlanta Spirit Killers Group
KZ
December 29th, 2011
4:35 pm
Legit point about Philips Arena though. Looking for scores/stats is impossible – there are none around in the overheads. There is no halftime show.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
4:40 pm
Atlanta Spirit Killers Group
ASKG
always reminded me of KGB. Some Europeans came to ATL to sabotage The sports scene.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 29th, 2011
4:43 pm
Lay Up!
“Hey Marvin, I’m sorry I ripped into you the past 3 seasons…I had no idea you were hurt like that?
Glad to hear and see you are well and kickin some azz out there dude!! Keep up the good work Sir!!” -slimjr-
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Copyright that! Knowing of Marvin’s disectomy and serious low back issues? It does change my constructive criticism that I’ve levied on him. Hey, I got 3 titanium rods and 4 screws in my lower lumbar myself. The pain is unbelievably severe and relentless. The pain level goes beyond a human threshold, so God is only gonna’ allow you to feel up to a certain point, then you just pass out or go munb.
Get Well and Stay Well – Marvin!!!
This is what we’ve all been waiting for. Looks like we’re gonna’ have to grow our own Big 3 and try to re-sign them. I don’t see any Super Stars coming this-a-way anytime soon. LOL!
What I have appreciated so far this season is the attention to defense, the intensity and urgency on defensive plays. It looks like five guys playing on a string, cohesive and with a purpose in mind.
This is where great NBA coaches live. They teach philosophical ideologies, mold characters and push buttons. Championship coaches don’t really fool with scrubs and waste very little time talking to them. The NBA is not where you go to learn fundamentals, add weight, put on muscle and grow a beard. So, what I like most about our bench is that it is long in the tooth. You just can’t teach – experience.
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-vava74- copyright your earlier post about “Laying Up” on Sloan a little. I’m sure he is overwhelmed by the NBA and is probably star struck too. So, give him a minute.
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
4:55 pm
I recently recall how some of you determined, after only 2 preseason gms, that TMac was too far past his prime to be of any use and shouldn’t have been signed. Well, what’s you opinion of him now, after 2 regular season gms? Also, how many of you BIBBY LOVERS still feel we’d be better off with him running the OFF, along with his low turnover ratio, than Teague?
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 29th, 2011
4:59 pm
Coined!
Yeah I coined them as “Spirit Killers” a few years back because the owners were always down at the court house filing motions against one another and not paying attention to what their teams needed. We needed a PG really badly when we picked Marvin.
Even a blind squirrel can find a nut or two just on dumb luck. CP3 or Deron would have done wonders for this franchise.
So that’s why imma’ keep calling them ASKG until they get the hella on from Atlanta. Ya heard? LOL
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Meanwhile, imma’ die hard Hawks fan till the end. That’s my team. I hope our identity becomes our defensive intensity (swarming).
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
5:01 pm
I’m sorry CAGERS, but I’m enjoying our current Hawks, and the I TOLD YOU SO syndrome.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
5:05 pm
^ Rick Sund/Gearon Jr^ Will we beat that team in Miami this playoffs? Mr Gearon? …Mr. Sund?
ILL-Logical
December 29th, 2011
5:10 pm
With the health of Marvin (and McGrady)sparking early optimism, the next step for me is the transformation (hopefully) of Jeff Teague from a point guard to a floor leader.The distinction is crtical because skills such as speed,strength and shooting may define a point guard; intellegence and leadership are the hallmarks of a good floor leader. And a great floor leader can be the difference maker for a championship team
.Devin Harris is a very good point guard but his leadership skills have yet to be developed. Jason Kidd doesn’t have the physical skills he once had but his leadership helped the Mavs take home the prize. Chris Paul is a great point guard but an even better floor leader and with the right talent around him he can lead a team a long way.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 29th, 2011
5:19 pm
Whoo pig sooey.
http://twitter.com/#!/TheJoeJohnson2/status/152504597393571840/photo/1
I MUS WRITE
December 29th, 2011
5:26 pm
Marvin is looking really good – Hope he keeps it up but he has been jackyll n Hyde for most of his career so…..maybe its the fact that jamal isnt here hoggn the ball and all the shots-
Is it me or is Al horford unimpressive- still no post moves, shooting jumpers blah blah blah. I would trade that dude in a minute for a healthy brook lopez or DH12, Al is soft on top of being undersized at the 5. Thats just great. Josh goes to the bench and its a layup drill. seriously is Al that much better than Brandon Bass…….
I feel like Tmac, V Rad77, and ZAZA will be good signings and bolster a razor thin bench from last year. Powell who? Ivan johnson needs a few more minutes. He goes hard- reminds me of reggie evans……
I MUS WRITE
December 29th, 2011
5:29 pm
Ken strickland you cant always be right man Jeez : )…Lol just messing with you but yeah I thought TMac looked puffy and slow last yr and in preseason. Apparently he gets busy when the lights come on for real-i like what he is giving us so far.
richbrave
December 29th, 2011
5:29 pm
Nice win against my first team. Still no stand-up defense by the WIZZIES. And there won’t be any until first YOUNG and then BLATCHE are history. Really liking the rookies CHRIS SINGLETON and SHELVIN MACK. Lasy year’s crop of WALL, N’DIAYE, SERAPHIN, and BOOKER…….BOOK’s got the heart, but is too short to be a power forward, and doesn’t fit anywhere else on the court. WALL is WALL. Hopefully he has success before he leaves for MIAMI, NEW YORK, L.A. or CHICAGO. The other two will never develop much of a game on either end of the court IMO.
richbrave
December 29th, 2011
5:31 pm
KEN S:
I wanted to ask how you’re doing physically. Everything resolved O.K.?
I MUS WRITE
December 29th, 2011
5:34 pm
Whats up Richbrave how r things in the DMV area
JaeEvolution
December 29th, 2011
5:36 pm
Speaking of Arkansas Basketball, keep an eye on BJ Young kid has potential to be good if not this year, in a year or two for sure he will break out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfD502J0VC8
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
5:43 pm
Is it me or is Al horford unimpressive- still no post moves, shooting jumpers blah blah blah. I would trade that dude in a minute for a healthy brook lopez or DH12, Al is soft on top of being undersized at the 5. Thats just great. Josh goes to the bench and its a layup drill. seriously is Al that much better than Brandon Bass…….
Yikes Lopez and Bass? I wouldn’t go that far but, eye on playoffs, How do you feel about a future 2nd rounder and Horford for 7 footer Jon Leuer at Forward and Andrew Bogut at center?
Horford destroys low grade centers but thats about it, he’s peaked and his ceiling is a complementary rebounder that needs to be carried on offense and defense.
Rod from College Park
December 29th, 2011
5:50 pm
“Marvin is looking really good – Hope he keeps it up but he has been jackyll n Hyde for most of his career so…..maybe its the fact that jamal isnt here hoggn the ball and all the shots-”
This is another misconception. Jamal did not take shots from Marvin. Marvin was scared to take shots that were there. He had many opportunities prior to Jamal being here to establish himself. This is part of the reason LD told him to be more aggressive. Marvin should be blamed for Marvin, nobody else. If he was injured for three years, he should have had surgery three years ago. The next step for him is to see if his shot stop falling, will be still be aggressive, or go back to the passive Marvin.
richbrave
December 29th, 2011
5:52 pm
I MUS WRITE:
Nothing of import except the congressional bickering which affects all our lives in this great nation. Not part of any of that. Divorced myself from politics in the early 80’s. Haven’t been actively involved since I became aware of just how rotten it truly is.
My eldest grandson was the MVP of a little B-Ball tourney in Virginia’s heartland last evening. A mixed A – AA competition between four local counties. AAA is the big leagues in Virginia.
The 14-year old has his ups and downs in his first year of organized hoops. Football is his first love and he’s good at it. But he’s danged good at baseball also. Carries an inferiority complex around because of his older brother though who’s pretty good in baseball. Ranked 149 in the country by Perfect Game.
Can you tell I’m a proud grampa? The youngest is 10 months and I gave him the nickname of ‘Tank.’
I’m pretty busy over with the BRAVES and the grandkids [5]. All local, so I’m always baby-sittin, or going to events for them. Haven’t gotten over here much. Miss yakking with you folks about the merits of the WIZARDS and HAWKS………well, using the term ‘merits’ in conjunction with the WIZARDS is pretty much a misnomer, but certainly apropos in the HAWKS case. They just keep getting better despite our trashing the ASG.
Loyal Thrasher Fan
December 29th, 2011
5:53 pm
Atlanta has an NBA basketball team??? Really??? Go figure……
Ryan
December 29th, 2011
6:48 pm
I dont get the Pargo hate. Does he look like derrick rose? Lol no but he isn’t supposed to. He’s managing the games and playing pretty good D. Also, don’t forget that in 1 month or so he will be the 3rd PG. So are you saying he isn’t worthy of a 3rd PG spot? Really? Pargo has done more for me than Willie Green. I don’t doubt Willie can contribute but he hasn’t so far….
I MUS WRITE
December 29th, 2011
7:29 pm
S.L.B are you the agent for Leur and Bougt? I mean im say’n. I would take Brook Lopez over Horford but thats just me.I like his game athletic big -post moves ,scoring and Defense-being 7′1 doesnt hurt either, Al looks soft to me- limited post moves/jump shooter.
Rod -Jamal took alot of shots last year and he was alot less effective than year one. he dominated the ball too much to get his points and he was an azz sandwich on defense. With that said he did win alot of games for us when JJ was in lala land. The bench we hve now is alot better that the Joe smiths and Powells of the past.
Richbrave -Thats cool sounds like your grand kids have some talent maybe one day i’ll get to see them in Richmond or Atlanta.”Braves” Dont have kids so I support my nephew -Pretty big yungn he plays footbal with the 11 yr olds at age 9 becase of his weight -he went to the all city game this season -Falcons D Lineman 2025…………
Astro Joe
December 29th, 2011
7:38 pm
Rod, chances are, Marvin received a few options for his back. And like most people (professional athletes and the common person) he opted for the less evasive option first. In pro sports, we see it all of the time. An athlete is told that something can be treated with rest and exercise, only to find out sometime later that surgery is required. My guess is that any surgery likely would have meant that Marvin would miss games (based on a normal off-season schedule). I think most fans would prefer to see their team’s players “tough it out” or “rub dirt on it” before under-going the knife. Finally, if he was truly feeling numbness in his leg, that could certainly explain some of the falls. Ever try to do much running or jumping when your leg is asleep?
Now, with all that said, I agree about Marvin’s passiveness. Like every NBA player, he will have games when his shot doesn’t fall but hopefully he will continue to do work on the boards. I am also interested in seeing how well he defends against some of the better SFs in the league (which he hasn’t faced yet). That is another area that can be a consistent strength regardless of his shooting percentage.
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
7:57 pm
richbrave every thing appears OK on the medical side. The problem I’m having is putting my foot in my mouth as often as I do. Its really hard for me to admit that I don’t know a damn thing, but hey if I can fool you guys, then what the hell does that say about you?
Stupid is as stupid does right?
Hey, you got an extra shoe horn?
richbrave
December 29th, 2011
8:19 pm
KEN S:
Great news!
And for the record……….you are a funny man!
richbrave
December 29th, 2011
8:24 pm
I MUS WRITE:
Being there for the young man is great. Sounds like you’re a stand-up kinda’ guy. Good on ye.
Say, I don’t see doc post up much anymore. He still going to the games now that the HAWKS have become respectable?
I was dowen in the HOTLANTA this past July for a 10 day baseball tournament set up by PERFECT GAME. Really enjoyed the ATLANTA HISTORY CENTER. Got to CARTERSVILLE, and sundry other spots in the northern and northeastern ‘burbs.
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
8:24 pm
I MUS WRITE-As much as I’d like to be right about everything, no one can even come close. But I have been right so far when it comes to certain things concerning the Hawks though.
RICH BRAVE-As you can probably see, some COWARD, who’s either jealous or envious of my successful predictions, or is just an ANAL MINDED MORON, if not both, has jacked my name. As you know, there’s never been a shortage of these gutless cowards on these blogs. I am doing just fine, and I’ve completely recovered from my surgery. I’ve even found a replacement for my little DOBE GIRL that I had to let go in July. He’s right at 60lbs at 7mos 1wk, and has more energy and is more active than any of my previous 10 dobermans by far. He’s been a real challenge for an old man like me, but I love it. He keeps me going, and I can feel the difference. But I’m doing real good, I feel really good, and thanks for asking.
Rev in Tampa
December 29th, 2011
8:40 pm
NJ is within striking distance of Orlando midway through the 3rd
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
8:40 pm
The next time I blog you will know its me and not that COWARD, because Ill be the one with a shoe horn in my hand.
P.S. that’s right you cant see through the internet. Hmmm. let me get back to you.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 29th, 2011
8:47 pm
Brook Lopez is soft.
NJ is within striking distance of Orlando midway through the 3rd because Brook Lopez is gone.
He is inept at defense and shoots too much at average efficiency.
NJ is playing defense 1 on 1 to Dwights and then guards are scoring off Isos.
Lopez plays the wrong way and is soft. Mentally and physically to slow and lazy to rebound or box out.
I can point out Horford;s weaknesses as a defensive anchor but one center I’m not looking for is a “scoring center”. Lopez cant effect the game without the ball and is not dominant with it.
his best season Win Shares per minute is virtually tied with such 1 dimensional players as Hasheem Thabeet.
Lopez is atrocious.
KevinM
December 29th, 2011
8:50 pm
Watching Houston tonight vs. the Spurs…..It’s tight early.
phil
December 29th, 2011
8:53 pm
Rev in Tampa
December 29th, 2011
1:02 pm
Atlanta gets the Heat both times in January on the back end of a back-to-back for the Heat. The Heat play the Bobcats on January 1 in Miami and then the Hawks go to Miami on January 2. Hopefully the Bobcats will give them fits again.
The Pacers play the Heat on January 4 in Miami and then the Heat come to Atlanta on January 5.
Meanwhile, the Hawks have the day off each time they play the Heat.
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so what. The Heat will be in the Finals again. The Hawks will be sitting at home again and as usual.
KevinM
December 29th, 2011
8:59 pm
Old blog favorite Dalembert blocking Duncan’s flat footed push shot.
I think he’s a great fit there in Houston under McHale.
phil
December 29th, 2011
9:01 pm
rash
December 29th, 2011
4:09 pm
some of yall people are idiots the hawks are 2-0 instead of 0-2 dont matter who they play they look damn good to me …it dont matter what they do some of yall r haters go to your team site idiots
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You’re calling other people idiots? Did you make it past 3rd grade? Can you even read this?
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
9:05 pm
OK richbrave I done figure it out. The way you can tell its me blogging and not that COWARD. Underneath my name on the left hand side you will see the date, and underneath the date you will see the time I blogged. That how you will know its me and not that ANAL MINDED MORON COWARD!!
bigdave
December 29th, 2011
9:11 pm
Brooks is filthy..
KevinM
December 29th, 2011
9:12 pm
The best home crowd in the NBA….OKC..it sounds like the playoffs.
I see why they’re on TNT.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
December 29th, 2011
9:36 pm
phil
December 29th, 2011
9:01 pm
rash
December 29th, 2011
4:09 pm
some of yall people are idiots the hawks are 2-0 instead of 0-2 dont matter who they play they look damn good to me …it dont matter what they do some of yall r haters go to your team site idiots
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“You’re calling other people idiots? Did you make it past 3rd grade? Can you even read this?”
And then there’s last night:
phil
December 28th, 2011
9:56 pm
Tard Munkey
December 28th, 2011
9:53 pm
Who the hell is the guy they just had on camera?
Oh hell, is that Phil?
******
“Now an idiot named Tard Munkey is joining the other doofs attacking me? What a crew here!”
You’re calling people idiots, phil?
As my Grandmother used to say: “Be sure your sins will find you out”.
So phil, are you the pot or the kettle? ROFLMAO!
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
9:40 pm
Looks like that took care of that!
A lot of yall been going round saying” hey, how dumb is Ken?” Well, I not as dumb as I might appear. So dont play me cheap. I figures stuff out.
Like the Larry Drew character. Didnt I tell you guys he was going to be a winner. I told you that when he was hired over Woodson. Having said that now yall can see what Im talking bout. I know my sh!t. Now you now my sh!t. Sh!t.
Fundamentals
December 29th, 2011
9:44 pm
I’ll agree Marvin’s problems do relate to his aggressiveness, but honestly he has had periods where he is aggressive…only to fall or get undercut on a drive where he hurts his back. The back has been an issue since he arrived in the ATL.
I dissagree about Jamal. Dude commanded the ball and you definitely saw everyone defer to him. You’ll see Teague, Joe, Josh, Marvin & Al relish the idea that they’ll definitely get more shots. I’m not trying to knock Jamal because he was ready to shoot when our guys needed seasoning. Now that he’s gone and our folks have had time to learn, they’ll be ready.
I hope Jamal does well. I see our guys doing the same all year. Same as Teague waving by to Bibby. He was overdue for that opportunity. Now he’s shining. Hopefully Kirk will play his role when he returns and allows the young fella to continue to develop with a quality backup ready to assist.
Amen to OKC having the best crowd!
Fundamentals
December 29th, 2011
9:46 pm
MC – where did our new focus on defense emerge? What happened to the motion O for “shotmakers?
We pulled a 180 to focus on what makes teams win? Who had the idea? Was it the same guy that told Marvin he was tall, long and destined to rebound well? Can they teach it to Josh & Al? Get those two in the paint nightly banging the boards and we’ll be unstoppable!
Some of us know
December 29th, 2011
9:51 pm
Well, I see Ken’s secret admirer has returned. Let’s hope he doesn’t get angry and shut the blog down again.
Ken Strickland
December 29th, 2011
9:56 pm
You guys dont know nuthing. What make the Hawks work is the Princeton offensive that Drew is doing. Drew has been hear a couple of years now and the Princeton sh!t is working. That how you wind ball games.
Some of us know
December 29th, 2011
9:57 pm
and heres a hint. It aint me
Mom Wants Her PC Back
December 29th, 2011
10:03 pm
Hopefully, Mom will come home soon and get Troll Boy off her PC and send his silly butt to bed in the dark corner of her basement.
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
10:04 pm
Al Horford was on ESPN (Fox? I get both where I live) Radio today defending the Atlanta fans. They were taking ATL to task for how bad of a sportstown this was. Al said he liked the fans. Good job Al?
I wonder if OKC would listen to a Teague and a 1st pick for Westbrook, since ‘Brook and Durant are fighting?
Would you guys do that trade if OKC would?
brigadierjerry
December 29th, 2011
10:34 pm
his best season Win Shares per minute is virtually tied with such 1 dimensional players as Hasheem Thabeet.- Smith.Leuer.Bogut
You proposed a trade awhile back wanting Thabeet on the Hawks?
Astro Joe
December 29th, 2011
10:37 pm
Remember when folk suggested that John Salmons could replace Joe Johnson for much less? I think there is a reason why Salmons continues to bounce around the league…. he isn’t very good nor consistent. Heaven knows, he wrecked my fantasy team last season.
Steve, I don’t think those salaries match. But yes, I would take Westbrook from the Thunder given that LD’s offense doesn’t require a floor leader to play the PG position.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 29th, 2011
10:38 pm
Watch the Blazers game. Their crowd is literally 10x better and bigger than ours
Astro Joe
December 29th, 2011
10:40 pm
And when Westbrook goes rogue, Josh Smith could put him back in line and explain the concept of quality shots to the younger Westbrook.
Big Ray
December 29th, 2011
10:48 pm
Well, I see Ken’s secret admirer has returned. Let’s hope he doesn’t get angry and shut the blog down again.
noticed that myself
Big Ray
December 29th, 2011
10:49 pm
Much as I like Westbrook’s talent, if he can’t recognize his role, along with the simple fact that Durant is THE star….what’s he gonna do on this team, under Uncle Larry?
bigdave
December 29th, 2011
10:52 pm
he good.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 29th, 2011
10:59 pm
The Hawks are wayyyy underestimated by the media.
I know Hawks fans are a joke. No one cheers at the games besides the fan section and maybe 40 other people in the whole arena.
Go watch a Blazers game (no we’re not talking about the Heat, Thunder, Celtics, Nuggets fans….The F’ing Blazers) and look how enthusiastic those fans our. I think ATL has the worst fans in the NBA.
And screw ASG for what they did to Philips Arena. The arena is barren – there are no score updates besides some pathetic bar above the premium section telling how man points the person at the FT line has. The average fan has no way of instantly knowing who is in the game because the stats grid above the sections behind the baskets IS NO LONGER THERE.
HALFTIME IS A JOKE – THERE ARE NO EVENTS.
JUST SELL THE TEAMS GEARON. NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE
Grandmaster JeJe
December 29th, 2011
10:59 pm
Hawks are way underestimated because this is a top 4 team in the East [again]
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
11:00 pm
AJ – You are correct – Teague and Westbrook doesn’t work on the trade machine – Hinrich for Westbrook does – but I doubt seriously OKC thinks about that deal even with a 1st pick thrown in.
There is a growing consensus I hear on sportradio and read that either Durant or Westbrook has to go from OKC. This goes back to last season. And I’m sure it won’t be Durant who leaves.
OKC does have a pretty good plan B in Eric Maynor. Plan C not so good – don’t they have Royal Ivey as plan C?
Jannero Pargo was the no.4 PG in Chicago. They kept Lucas, who is really bad, instead of him as the #3 PG. So what are we expecting from Jannero Pargo? I think he’s a serviceable backup until Hinrich gets back.
And he and Green are learning the playbook on the fly. Let’s see where he’s at in a couple of weeks. He did play with CP3, so even stuff he tells Teague in that regard may be valuable, just like Hinrich played with Rose in Chicago.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 29th, 2011
11:00 pm
Big Ray,
They should’ve traded Russell for CP3, but should now try get Rondo.
Let Westbrook score his 28 ppg in Boston. That team will blow hard next year (it will already suffer this year. Jermaine O’Neal is their starting center. LMAO). Rondo will let KD score and rack up 90 assists a game with that offense
SteveW
December 29th, 2011
11:04 pm
AJ – Gotta admit a team with Westbrook, Josh, and Ivan could make some noise for various reasons in the media.
But if you get Westbrook, and then swing a deal for Dwight (farfetched I know), you’ve got a potential lineup of:
Westbrook
JJ
Hedo
Josh
Dwight
You can win a Championship with that lineup in my opinion.
With the newfound Marvin, Orlando may even listen to a Al+Marvin trade for Dwight and Hedo’s bad contract.
Stranger things have happened.
Grandad
December 29th, 2011
11:31 pm
Observations:
(1) My semi-retirement may have been premature.
* If the present trend continues [and I hope it does]
I may have to apologize to Mr Sund and Mr Gearon;
due to my sabbatical from the blog being triggered by those two !
(2) Pargo needs to go / just chiming in on that debate.
He plays inspired defense, but, atrocious shooting and turnovers
negate any positive effect gained on defense.
(3) kirk will be a tremendous [positive] addition to our already formidable bench.
(4) McGrady can have an immeasurable effect on the team’s offense;
** by playing in the post ** if they will use him to that affect.
He is one crafty vet. ….. He also gives our team cachet due to his achievements.
(5) Rad-man another “crafty” vet
(6) Willie Green – nice guy / would have preferred a Big
* but who am I to say … I’m retired … and Sund/Gearon are “the Men”.
(7) northcyde – I’ve seen Joe playing really good def. [including off the ball]
(8) The defense has been inspired & the ball movement on offense is beautiful.
(9) Why is Jason Collins on the team ? [I know, I know, he guards one guy really well]
(10) LD is not a bad X’s and O’s coach.
(11) Jeff Teague has been an inspiration !
* [also my apologies to Marv - I did not know he was hurt]
** (understandable – that he has been ineffective)
(12) The Hawks have been playing splendidly,
to which I say, if they play at the same level of
-teamwork with intensity-
exhibited this week;
then they -can- contend with Chicago and Miami !
note:
my remarks are more analytical rather than my usual mindset of
thinking of ways to fix things.
As noted previously, the Hawks are in good hands, and are to be applauded.
One cannot fix what ain’t broken.
If they get a really good Big man, I’ll probably un-retire.
Until then – I’m waiting for change.
[or to admit that Sund/Gearon are closet geniuses / whichever comes 1st]
For now, Go Hawks !
Grandmaster JeJe
December 29th, 2011
11:46 pm
LOL @ Al and Marvin for Dwight and Hedo
Ptis would be fired faster than a New York minute if he ever made that trade, even if only Dwight was included
Grandmaster JeJe
December 29th, 2011
11:48 pm
Otis
northcyde
December 30th, 2011
12:06 am
Jamal is being Jamal
12 points
5 rebs
2 asst
3 – 12 FG ( 0 – 4 from three )
6 – 6 FT
5 turnovers
( -12 ) +/- rating
in 20 minutes
Najeh Davenpoop
December 30th, 2011
12:14 am
Jamal is doing his thing in the 4th quarter though, starting to heat up.
A lot of good games today. Dallas-OKC might be the best game of the year, Portland-Denver is good, and the Alamo Bowl is just insane.
northcyde
December 30th, 2011
12:17 am
And then Jamal promply takes over the game . . scoring 9 in a row and making his next 3 shots
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
12:23 am
Seeing RED!
“Legit point about Philips Arena though. Looking for scores/stats is impossible – there are none around in the overheads. There is no halftime show.” -KZ-
_________________
This sounds about right, why invest in a “Stats Board” or “jumbo-tron” when you can sell “sizzling” steaks instead? I queried when the RED story broke, if the restaurant would be situated with a view of the basketball court? What a group of spirit killers we have for owners. (smh)
northcyde
December 30th, 2011
12:23 am
LOL @ the Alamo Bowl . . . more like Madden on rookie level. Absolutely no defense in that game. Whichever team has the ball last will win the game.
northcyde
December 30th, 2011
12:25 am
Pretty cool that Blazers owner Paul Allen sits in a seat right behind the goal.
JaeEvolution
December 30th, 2011
1:11 am
For a team known for their offensive stars the Knicks offense is just AWFUL, I can barely watch this game…
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
1:17 am
Big Play RaY!
Do yawl remember Ray Buchannan of the Falcons? On Every touch down he got beat on, Big Play Ray would vehemently protest. He did back flips to sway the official referees. Yes, Mr. Buchannan was guilty of the “Thou dost’ protest too much” – syndrome.
Here’s my point: If, we can get Marvin hungry, and he becomes that nasty beast who gives you 15 & 8 every night? Marvin would be Udonis Haslem with a 3 point shot.
Too bad Marvin doesn’t protest a little more.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
1:25 am
Cancer?
Based on my sources, looks like Andrew Bynum is allegedly immature and has entitlement issues. He parks in handi-capped spaces to Speed up his shopping time and shows late for meetings.
Look for the article to be released tomorrow in tHe LA Times. Somewhere in that live report, I heard the term “cancer” used in describing Mr. Bynum. Hmmm … Is there a story here?
-drmaryb- Entertainment Reporter
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 30th, 2011
1:37 am
I will be at the game 2morrow. Meet me at the Jack Daniels.
I’m ready to see how the team stacks up against some real talent. NJ is garbage this year.
Buddy Grizzard
December 30th, 2011
1:40 am
“Key to this season so far? Our off season. We had some guys who cared during the off-season, trained hard to get better, and the results are showing to this point on the court.” – SteveW
Agree 100%.
superiorblogman
December 30th, 2011
3:53 am
You people need to be beat and maimed sitting around complaining. If you wan’t something to be negative about it needs to be that we still need a C. Other than that shut your fingers
vava74
December 30th, 2011
7:19 am
Who’s afraid of the big bad Knicks… big bad Knicks… big bad Knicks…
So Chandler was their missing piece??
I see it as a reason for Amar’e and ‘Melo coasting on D even more and there is no rim protector in the world which can erase ALL the mistakes of bad perimeter D… not even the genetically built son of Manute Bol, Mark Eaton and Dwight Howard.
vava74
December 30th, 2011
7:26 am
Russell Westbrook in 4 games: 25 turnovers, 22 assists.
Now that is what I call an elite PG
vava74
December 30th, 2011
7:27 am
…and people complain about Pargo, our third string PG… oh brother…
richbrave
December 30th, 2011
7:41 am
Wow! What’s up with the KEN STRICKLAND pretender? Sounds alot like Paul Lentz over on the BRAVES blogs
richbrave
December 30th, 2011
7:42 am
And at the risk of being redundant, where’s doc? Has he changed his name?
Sir LaughAlot
December 30th, 2011
8:37 am
I dont know if its Ken Strickland or an Impersonator, but I do know that whom ever is funny. Dude must be in the wrong field. Should be a comedian.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 30th, 2011
8:41 am
Cornerstone!
Hey richbrave baby! Wassup? Looks like your grandson is on his way to the major league.
Hey doc is a cornerstone on this blog, but you already knew that. Doc is like a Sears set of Maytag washer and dryer, he’s around here somewhere. So, keep Scrollin’ – doc ain’t hard to find.
wordsmithtom
December 30th, 2011
9:05 am
Let’s hope the vets on the bench remind the starters that NJ will come in pissed off about that rout at home. They aren’t good….but they do have pride. That and the comments from TMac will also give them a reason to want us. Tonight’s game could be a trap for us if we don’t put our boot on their neck from the get go.
Jump Shooter X
December 30th, 2011
9:26 am
I thought that was a great report MC. If the Teague,J.Smith,and bench can take scoring pressure off JJ & Al every night then Hawks can be very good.
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
9:45 am
Big time rumor in Orlando, on Dewight being trading to the Hawks with Horford being the center piece. The discussion came from a report from AJC in Atlanta had grab some attention in Orlando.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
9:49 am
Orlando would want Horford in the trade for Dwight, something tell me on the low that Superman behind close doors really would like to come back home.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
9:58 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d69f6g7P
Marvin, Zaza, Horford, 2012 and 2013 first round pick for Redick, Dwight
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE
BIG DOG
December 30th, 2011
10:01 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=76ykc9y
Some of us know
December 30th, 2011
10:22 am
There’s no rumor in Orlando. There’s just a troll with a hundred names trying his best to stir the waters, LOL.
Funny that with a hundred names, he still has to highjack Ken’s and Big Dog’s. But he’d love for you all to play along.
doc
December 30th, 2011
10:29 am
right here bro, the great joba dn all the new contributors to the blog make it hard to keep up but i answered you the other day. was there to see your wiz the other night with my girls as well. two big bigs are nice with mckee filling out “bad”, walls looking good, young had a hot night, singleton has a motor and jc2 way over estimating himself but the hawks really took it to them. i like the way the defense is playing out of the chute and approach the hawks of early 2009 in the way they are defending. i love it when they play like that, taking space and all the air around the other guys so they cant breathe. that is the way to do it. it takes athleticism, quickness, conditioning and desire.
be well my friend.
love ya dmb.
heh heh
I MUS WRITE
December 30th, 2011
10:32 am
S.L.B You are losing credability on this blog. Lopez is soft? Well i guess you’re entitled to your opinion but…. Check the mans stats the past couple of years 20pts/7reb/2/blocks per 35minutes is pretty good IMO. The last few years Lopez has destroyed our frontline -Zaza/Jumpshot/Smoove I saw those games when we had no answer for the guy. The guy is a top teir C in this league -the only C’s i put in front of him are DH12,Bynum, possibly NeNe/MGasol
Stop with the trades man -we are’nt going after Bogut/Leur…….
Also DH12 wants to go to a winner and we would have to give up to much for him. JJ Horford ZaZa 1st round pick may get The GM’s attention but I dont see him coming home.
doc
December 30th, 2011
10:35 am
richie, meant to say “great job by mc and all the great contributors”. hard to get space like the opposition of the hawks. and mc keeps putting up content like hyper speed. fun to be here right now.
KevinM
December 30th, 2011
10:52 am
DMB, that entertainment report on Bynum is gold. No way Orlando takes on that problem, and if Bynum is doing that stuff playing with Kobe, his pattern will continue elsewhere. And he is being paid already.
I wonder what the Lakers are thinking with him out and they are still winning.
Vava, JC1 with 22/5 on the unbeaten Blazers…..14 of those in the 4th.
NJ coming in tonight should be good for the Hawks tonight….duplicate the last effort and it will be an early night for the starters. The Nets have few options to get better anytime soon.
Melvin
December 30th, 2011
11:01 am
The Nets are coming into ATL on the 2nd night of a back to back. They used a lot energy trying to comeback against the Magic last night. Hopefully, the Hawks can put them away early and restup for the Rockets on tomorrow.
Geemack
December 30th, 2011
11:20 am
The Hawks will make it to the eastern conference finals. They can beat every team in the east except the Heat. The only reason they can’t beat the Heat is because the Heat are hungrier.
Mike
December 30th, 2011
11:31 am
@Some of us know
It isnt all true either, Hawks did gague about acquire D12 until the Magic stop all talks but those talk would probably be coming back up very soon, since they dont want to lose D12 for nothing, like what happen to Shaq.
Atlanta will be in those talks when it started back up and might have a slight lead. But if I was Otis Smith and the Magic front office, I find a way to ship him out as soon as possible, then you can get a better value in the trade market, plus this circus can stop and they can move on with their lives.
wordsmithtom
December 30th, 2011
11:38 am
Geemack, you are right. Miami believes they’re better. If, however, someone can get inside MW’s head and get him fired up, he could put pressure on LeBron enough to make it interesting. 5 on 5, I like the Hawks’ chances against Miami, especially later in the year with Kirk back, assuming no one else gets hurt. Right now, Miami obviously has the edge. Marvin’s the key….scary, huh
Astro Joe
December 30th, 2011
11:38 am
Maybe instead of fixating on D12, the Hawks should look at acquiring Deron Williams. It looks like he is in “sleep-walk” mode these days. I know that he is from Dallas and Cuban has created space (and all but sacrificed tis season) to bring in someone like Deron, but if he would sign an extension, I’d snap him up in a heartbeat. I think he is more of a leader than Howard or some of the other guys that bloggers fantasize about acquiring. At some point, this team needs a definitive leader to take the next step (and no, I don’t think Stack is that guy).
KZ
December 30th, 2011
12:09 pm
Nets are a mess because their roster is awful (even with Brook Lopez). They will never get Dwight with that current trade package (or possibly, ever). Deron is leaving for Dallas after the season unless he is traded somewhere.
Sorry Jigga
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
12:16 pm
“Big time rumor in Orlando, on Dewight being trading to the Hawks with Horford being the center piece. The discussion came from a report from AJC in Atlanta had grab some attention in Orlando.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE”
LOL. I posted that on the Orlando Sentinel blog with a link to MC’s piece earlier this week. I tried to start the rumor last year before the playoffs and got a few people really riled on the Magic blog. I forgot to check and see how people were reacting to the post from earlier this week.
KevinM
December 30th, 2011
12:19 pm
I believe that the reason LD has even considered putting Josh at the 3 was because of what we haven’t been getting from Marvin. I always thought that it was up to Marvin to publish the ‘LeBron’ rules and be the key defender on him back in the Cleveland days.
Going forward, now in order to compete with Miami:
- Joe has to handle DWade ( tall order )
- Marvin still has to figure how to neutralize LeBron
- Al and Josh have to outplay Bosh/Haslem
- Teague has to hold his own against Chalmers.
Looking at that, I don’t think there is enough to beat them with any regularity.
Now Sund is going to have to go out and find us a Collins type player to help with the Heat. I remember how Damien did an adequate job last year on LeBron. Our bench doesn’t have that guy.
KZ
December 30th, 2011
12:30 pm
“-Teague has to hold his own against Chalmers.”
Teague has to do far more than “hold his own” against Chalmers. He has to destroy him on the court because we have unfavorable matchups at pretty much all positions
Rev in Tampa
December 30th, 2011
12:32 pm
KevinM, my memory could be deceiving me, but I remember that Marvin did a very good job on LeBron in the preseason game last year. Maybe Lebron was dailing it in since it was preseason or maybe Marvin’s back was not hurting that early into the year, but I do have a recollection of being impressed that Marvin could be a defensive stopper against Lebron.
vava74
December 30th, 2011
12:33 pm
Astro Joe
December 30th, 2011
11:38 am
Astro, someone who goes into sleep-walking mode because his team is weak is NOT A GOOD LEADER.
People everywhere love to think about scenarios which would blow the roster to get just one player when there is not guarantee that this “magic player” will bring any wins.
How did it pan out for Deron in Utah, with a GREAT coach and a pretty decent supporting cast?
And what about Howard? Yes, they went to the finals, but last year, with a very decent supporting cast they fell against us.
Neither Deron, nor Paul, nor Howard guarantee a ring if you have to ditch too much talent.
Heck, just look at MIA, with 2 superstars, 1 star and garbage and the result was that they did not win last year.
So, breaking up the roster in a dramatic fashion to get Howard would guarantee us ZERO.
With this I am not saying that we should not consider all options, all the time, but we have to be realistic about the feasibility and the balance of all deals.
Michael Cunningham
December 30th, 2011
12:33 pm
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.