Atlanta Hawks: ‘Old rookie’ Ivan Johnson vows to keep his cool after past blowups

Hope you had a good holiday, blog people. The Hawks were back in action today after a break and that means I am, too . . .

Today was the first time I got to ask Larry Drew about the decision to waive Keith Benson, the team’s only draft pick in June.

“It really came down to the progress of Ivan Johnson,” Drew said. “To be perfectly honest, we didn’t know he would come on the way he did. He’s had, not a good training camp, he’s had a phenomenal training camp. His motor is something you can’t teach and he brings that motor every practice. You guys see the way he plays in games. He just plays hard and there’s not enough guys like that.”

Johnson, 27, said he wasn’t sure he’d ever make the league but, before his mother died in 2007, he promised her he would keep trying.

“As you get older your dream starts to fade after a while,” he said. “You have just got to keep pushing, man. That’s what I kept doing.”

Fans at Atlanta’s exhibition game against Charlotte Thursday seemed to take a liking to Johnson. He also was a popular topic of discussion among my Twitter followers and my blog people.

Johnson said he wasn’t aware of the support from fans but appreciates that they like his high-energy style.

“That’s how you’ve got to be,” he said. “I’m an old rookie. Being 27, I’ve got to put in a lot of work.”

Johnson is an intimidating dude–the joke among Hawks staff was who would tell Johnson he was cut if the day came. He’s built like a linebacker and always seems to look angry. One day in practice Johnson came barreling down the lane with the ball and Tracy McGrady wisely stepped aside.

“Ain’t no [bleeping] way I’m getting in front of him,” T-Mac said.

Johnson said he’s not as mean as he looks (”I’m really a nice, cool dude”) but his temper had hurt his chances of getting an NBA shot after he had good production in the D-League.

Johnson was banned by the Korean Basketball League last year after what an official described as “a record of frequent misconducts” culminating with an obscene gesture at a game official. Johnson also was reportedly run off from Oregon for “anger management” issues and last season was benched by the Erie BayHawks after earning too many technical fouls.

“That’s just my emotions for the game,” Johnson said. “If I feel I’m being cheated, my emotions, they go crazy sometimes. That’s what I’ve been working on. I try to keep my cool. As long as I keep my cool, I’m good.”

Obviously there won’t be much tolerance for such antics from a back-of-the-rotation guy for the Hawks. Johnson said he’s motivated to stay level-headed because he has a baby due in March.

“I have been working so hard to get here over the years,” he said. “Now that I’m here, ain’t no messing it up.”

Drew said the Hawks checked into Johnson’s background before signing him and are satisfied he won’t be a problem.

“He’s moved on and we feel good about moving on as well,” Drew said.

Practice report

  • Jeff Teague (ankle) participated in practice and said he’s good to go for tomorrow: “It’s a little sore but it will be OK.’ Larry Drew said he wanted to see how Teague looked after practice but, remember, it was an injury that derailed Teague in camp last year so I’m thinking he won’t sit. “Not this time,” Teague said, smiling.
  • Drew on the team’s depth: “We have added a lot to our bench from an experience standpoint and I think from a depth standpoint. I think it’s going to be a matter of us being healthy as much as we can. It may be a situation where have to use the bench a lot more than in the past.”
  • The Hawks are in a better spot than those teams who had two weeks to throw together a lot of main cogs. Still, rotation guys McGrady and Vladmir Radmaonivic are new and Jannero Pargo and Willie Green are brand new.
  • “They are still trying to learn what we do,” Drew said. “Do they have it down 100 percent? No. We have been trying to cram in a lot in a short period of time. I am sure heads are spinning a little bit right now. Once we get started with it I am sure they will adjust and become more comfortable.”
  • Drew on nine games in 12 days, something that’s new for all of the Hawks except ‘99 lockout vets T-Mac and Jerry Stackhouse: “It’s going to be a true challenge from the standpoint of basketball and the travel as well. I’ve been preaching to the guys since Day 1 about taking care of themselves. It not only becomes a physical drain but a mental drain as well. It’s going to be important that we all get our proper rest and eat right.”
  • Unlike Johnson, D-League refugee Donald Sloan figured his NBA shot would eventually come after the Kings cut him in camp last year: “With the amount of work I put in and the relationships I’ve built with coaches throughout draft process and last year in the D-League, I figured there was no way I could be denied this year. It kind of worked in my favor this year. I stayed positive throughout.”
  • I wrote a story about Joe Johnson. You can read it here if you’d like.


Michael Cunningham
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169 comments Add your comment

Sautee

December 26th, 2011
7:33 pm

Frist. Bill Frist

Sautee

December 26th, 2011
7:36 pm

MC,

You’re timing was excellent.

bigdave

December 26th, 2011
7:38 pm

Wizards team pretty exciting..

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

December 26th, 2011
7:38 pm

“MC,

You’re timing was excellent.”

You are timing was excellent? LMFAO

YO YO YO

December 26th, 2011
7:40 pm

Nice collection of goons. Zaza, Ivan, Stackhouse, etc.

Show me stated

December 26th, 2011
7:41 pm

I feel more positive about this years bench than last year’s. Of course we’ll miss jamal’s production but overall i think everybody will contribute enough to help da starters out and make it out to be a good year. Go Hawks!

Steven A

December 26th, 2011
7:47 pm

Hope Ivan makes it into the starting rotation. Other than Josh, he is the only player i have seen play
hard.

BoneKollector

December 26th, 2011
7:48 pm

Great Write up MC

Beat Writer of the year goes to Mr. Cunningham

Astro Joe

December 26th, 2011
7:50 pm

Thank goodness the Fox News vs. MSNBC debates are over. About to check out free NBA League Pass to see how other teams are looking before watching those Dirty Birds win a big road game.

MattP

December 26th, 2011
7:52 pm

“Ain’t no [bleeping] way I’m getting in front of him,” T-Mac said.

That made me laugh. I am glad they keep Ivan, he really reminds me of Josh Smith. Both are basically under size PF, and great on both ends of the court. .

Hoops

December 26th, 2011
7:53 pm

MC,

Is there any talk about the Hawks making a trade at some point before the trade deadline?

Najeh Davenpoop

December 26th, 2011
7:56 pm

I don’t know whether this New Jersey-Washington game is a sign that New Jersey is really horrible or that Washington is really good. We’ll find out soon enough, I guess…

MattP

December 26th, 2011
8:01 pm

Najeh,

NJ doesn’t have Lopez and he is alot of there offense. They will get destroyed until they get him back.

FreshFromATL

December 26th, 2011
8:05 pm

MC,

Let me know when I can purchase my Ivan Johnson jersey.

FreshFromATL

December 26th, 2011
8:09 pm

Yo Yo Yo,

Co-sign 1000%. Just what the Hawks needed IMO.

Just Joe

December 26th, 2011
8:15 pm

Pachulia, Collins, and I. Johnson will all play physical. Need one more big in the same mold, and one less combo guard.

yardie

December 26th, 2011
8:17 pm

What does it say about the selection process for the Hawks if they cut Benson and Sye. Who the hell is judging our talent. Two wasted picks two years in a row.

KevinM

December 26th, 2011
8:22 pm

Speaking of bad draft picks, how much have we improved since Sund became our GM? Where is Gearon when you need to get logical questions answered instead of his self promotion of being 1 of only 3 teams to be in the 2nd round 3 years counting? Ummm, doesn’t that sound like we haven’t improved much?
My bold 2012 prediction: Since we have been beaten in the playoffs by a different team each year since we started making the playoffs again, I predict we will have yet a different team we haven’t faced in the playoffs to defeat us since Boston, Cleveland, Orlando and Chicago.
Its starting to sound like the Bobby Cox years isn’t it?

mykhalc

December 26th, 2011
8:29 pm

@MC…excellent article on Joe…1st time i’ve EVER heard him say he wanted to be great. maybe he’ll decide to play and act like THE real difference maker for this team. his lack of on-the-court leadership over the years has left a lot to be desired!!! THIS team leaves a LOT to be desired…Joe crankin’ his game up a notch or two would be a great place to start…to an otherwise dismal lookin’ team…IMHO

MattP

December 26th, 2011
8:32 pm

I agree with you KevinM, I bet we will lose to Miami or NY this year.

I find it funny how he makes it sound like we are a top team just because we made it to the 2nd round 3 years in a row. We got embarrassed 2 years in a row getting swept 0-4 in the second round both by a different team. It’s like they don’t even watch and see what their team does.

i_am_soulstar

December 26th, 2011
8:34 pm

Awesome,

Now I feel justified in calling him Ivan the Terrible (although I’m sure someone in Korea, the D-League, and the Atl Hawks camp beat me to it).

FreshFromATL

December 26th, 2011
8:41 pm

Why does it sounds like Yardie, KevinM and MattP are all one individual having a continuous conversation under different screen names, lol? I mean I’ve seen a number of negative posters on here but that dialogue is just weird.

i_am_soulstar

December 26th, 2011
8:43 pm

Happy to read that about Joe wanting to be great. I was happy to see him working with Kevin Durant over the summer as well. Who better to work out with than the scoring champ. Hopefully it does him some good.

Slimjr

December 26th, 2011
8:43 pm

Good stuff IVAN!!

FYI FALCONS ARE 1-12 last 13 MNF GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brutal……………Being a Fan in Georgia..

MattP

December 26th, 2011
8:48 pm

FreshFromATL, haha we are not the same. Well, I am not the same.

Michael Cunningham

December 26th, 2011
8:59 pm

@Hoops: “MC, Is there any talk about the Hawks making a trade at some point before the trade deadline?”

not right now. i think they will see what they have first, no?

@FreshFromATL“MC, Let me know when I can purchase my Ivan Johnson jersey.”

i would probably wait until after Feb. 10

EmirS.

December 26th, 2011
9:01 pm

“I don’t know whether this New Jersey-Washington game is a sign that New Jersey is really horrible or that Washington is really good. We’ll find out soon enough, I guess…” – Najeh

Your thoughts now?

KevinM

December 26th, 2011
9:16 pm

2nd that Fresh…I have my own concept to what this team is/isn’t doing.
The moves they are making are cosmetic and minimal IMO. They aren’t interested in building a contender. They are satisfied with being competitive and thinking that a new fan base will come in and throw roses at ASG for their brilliance…it ain’t happenin’.
As long as this blog is available and other outlets tell you the ‘real’ truth about the ASG, then they can’t ’spin’ their agenda as easily as they want to….

Keep up the excellent updates MC. Don’t let Gearon try to point his finger at you about being ‘unfair’ to he and his associates. Keep holding them accountable as long as they have the reins here.

Grandmatser JeJe

December 26th, 2011
9:41 pm

“Obviously there won’t be much tolerance for such antics from a back-of-the-rotation guy for the Hawks. Johnson said he’s motivated to stay level-headed because he has a baby due in March.”

There better be tolerance for these antics. We haven’t had a true emotional player for ages. Instead we have a bunch of guys who have been here 6 years who don’t talk and show no leadership.

Welcome, Ivan.

GEARON HAS MADE IT CLEAR HE DOES NOT WANT TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP

Grandmatser JeJe

December 26th, 2011
9:42 pm

I just read the piece on Joe Johnson and there is not one mention from him on “WANTING TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP.”

I have not heard one player, coach, or owner of this franchise say “I want to win a ring. Ring or bust.”

Pathetic

doc

December 26th, 2011
9:43 pm

Johnson is an intimidating dude–the joke among Hawks staff was who would tell Johnson he was cut if the day came. He’s built like a linebacker and always seems to look angry. heh heh chuckle

keep it up ivan but be cool. a lot of folks would like to see you succeed.

Grandmatser JeJe

December 26th, 2011
9:43 pm

Gearon said we will have a top 5 payroll. WE ARE 6 MILLION BELOW THE 5TH HIGHEST PAYROLL. WE ARE 9TH NOW

AM I THE ONLY PERSON WHO SEES THIS?

HOW CAN HE SAY WE HAVE THE 5TH HIGHEST PAYROLL THIS YEAR

SMH

Fundamentals

December 26th, 2011
10:05 pm

Sounds like he needs to waive a player and ink us a quality player for 6+ million or he’s full of crappy.

tony

December 26th, 2011
10:09 pm

I like Ivan Johnson toughness but I need to see more of him. The hawks need a scorer who can score in various ways, especially late in close games when defenses are tighter.

Like this guy.

http://youtu.be/pj4D_B0gT48

Grandmatser JeJe

December 26th, 2011
10:10 pm

Lol @ Jordan Crawford.

Wiz on 11-0 run after yanking him. Hollinger said he has to learn what a good shot is.

Yeah, I sure miss Jordan Crawford!

FreshFromATL

December 26th, 2011
10:24 pm

Jeje,

Jordan Crawfors will NEVER start on a playoff team. I thought Jamal too questionable shots, he don’t have nothing on Jordan…

FreshFromATL

December 26th, 2011
10:25 pm

doc

December 26th, 2011
10:26 pm

g jeje

me too

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Grandmaster JeJe

December 26th, 2011
11:04 pm

Humphries had 21 and 16 tonight.

If we lose tomorrow, you will know why.

I dont understand why we lose to awful teams in the East every year.

Since they are coming off a b2b and their roster sucks, we should win by 20 tomorrow.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 26th, 2011
11:06 pm

Fresh,

I made that JC2 comment in regards to the ppl here who actually think we needed this guy.

He is gonna be better than MJ. LOL!

FreshFromATL

December 26th, 2011
11:26 pm

JeJe,

I hear you bro, there are A LOT of delusional people that post on this blog. Just yesterday, there were people that was actually outraged at the Hawks for cutting Pape Sy and Keith Benson, LMFAO and SMH. And that individual that said Jordan Crawford would be better than MJ should be banned from posting. At most, and this is being nice, Jordan Crawford ceiling is going to be growing into a Flip Murray type of player.

doc

December 26th, 2011
11:42 pm

gdad, falcons are an eternity from being in the realm of the pack or the saints. mike smith might be the football woody equivalent. whooo, did i just say that? they have too many breakdowns and give up too many big plays when it is crunch time. brees, 8/8 on third down and 3/4 in red zone early in the game. pretty good playa, eh. fun to watch a guy in command of his game during a career.

FreshFromATL

December 26th, 2011
11:44 pm

WOW!!

The Warrior are laying the blueprint for the Hawks on beating the Bulls. Swarming defense and getting out to run…Bulls look tired.

Bronn

December 26th, 2011
11:46 pm

Good to know. And now Ivan Johnson, after all this praise, will play about 20 minutes this season.

Melvin

December 26th, 2011
11:55 pm

Keith Bogans, Gilbert Arenas, Michael Redd, Nate Robinson, Al Thronton, James Posey and Andrei Kirilenko are available to be signed. Get rid of Sloan, Pargo and possibly Stack to sign 2 or 3 of these guys.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 27th, 2011
12:50 am

Melvin,

We need BIGS. Id sign one f those guys and also get DAN FREAKING GADZURIC

Blue Steel

December 27th, 2011
12:52 am

If this guy was 6′10″ or more wed have our center! Love that attitude. I like the Nate Robinson idea. Why is Gilbert Arenas available? Is he carrying his guns? Let him and IJ be roommates.. that should be a bang!

Lol

Grandmaster JeJe

December 27th, 2011
12:52 am

Lol Fresh-

Jordan Crawford said he will be better than MJ..

And while it is weird to draft guys then cut them, Benson and Sy WOULD NOT and WILL NOT make another roster this year. They are not good basketball players

Grandmaster JeJe

December 27th, 2011
12:53 am

Blue Steel

December 27th, 2011
12:58 am

Can we afford not to talk with Gilber Arenas?

3× NBA All-Star: 2005, 2006, 2007
3× All-NBA:

Second Team: 2007
Third Team: 2005, 2006

NBA Most Improved Player Award: 2003
NBA All-Star Rookie/Sophomore Game MVP: 2003
NBA regular-season leader, minutes played: 2006 (3,384)
NBA Player of the Month for the month of December 2006. Averaged a league-high 34.1 points per game during December.
NBA 3 time Player of the Week 06–07 season.

21.2 PPG career

Blue Steel

December 27th, 2011
1:04 am

Grandad

December 27th, 2011
1:39 am

Big Ump;
as I pointed out originally,
I will be checking in from time to time.
So; to reply; (from the previous blog)
the family is fine,
my daughter has returned home from the “Peace Corps” !
[after a 2+ yr absence]

-Peace be with you my Friend-

____________________________________________

*note:
I may carve out a post here and there about my 2nd love.
Mrs G-dad is still # 1 after 40 some odd years.
but for now … # 2 / B-ball, in general,
I cannot resist posting a few odds and ends.

My point of contention remains the Hawks !
I shall refrain from commenting on the Hawks …
until a change is forthcoming.
They are still my team / I will continue to pull for my guys.

I read the blog daily.

I consider you guys and gals, myself included, a community.
As always, if there is anything that I can do;
or be of help to anyone … figure out how to reach me …
and I’ll be there.
G-dad

O'Brien

December 27th, 2011
1:59 am

I wonder if Gearon is going to call into radio stations tomorrow to talk about the Falcons that everybody loves :twisted:

GaSouthernSmooth

December 27th, 2011
2:45 am

Great Story MC, One more vote for Ivan “Mr. Hustle” to make it into the rotation, i especially like the idea of him and ZAZA gooning it up together to rustle some feathers on D. But please stop with the “Agent Zero” requests. Gilbert Arenas = NO THANK YOU! Cant wait to see us roll on humphries’ nets lol! Lets Go Hawks!

Reggie

December 27th, 2011
2:47 am

Tracy McGrady wisely stepped aside.

“Ain’t no [bleeping] way I’m getting in front of him,” T-Mac said.

Ok i think we will be hearing T-Mac saying this all season…(sigh)

northcyde

December 27th, 2011
2:55 am

?????

Jordan Crawford’s stat line

28 minutes

7 – 12 FG

15 points

4 rebs

1 stl

1 TO

So what’s the problem with him again? Don’t think we could use that on the Hawks?

Wiz lost that game because of the so-called future superstar PG ( John Wall )

- couldn’t make floaters and lay-ups in traffic, and turned the ball over left and right.

- shot 1 – 10 FG after the 1st quarter

- dominated by Deron Williams in the 2nd half of that game.

- AND . . he missed 6 FTs ( 5 in the 2nd half )

Jersey went on a 21 – 5 run in the 4th quarter, with Jordan out the game.

vava74

December 27th, 2011
3:07 am

“Obviously there won’t be much tolerance for such antics from a back-of-the-rotation guy for the Hawks. Johnson said he’s motivated to stay level-headed because he has a baby due in March.”

I am with JeJe on this one. Why should we not tolerate Ivan’s craziness? We need him to be as crazy as possible.

We need a guy who will get technicals and suspensions during the regular season. That guy will be respected and feared come playoff time.

We need to publish stories that he eats live gerbils for breakfast!

Unleash IVAN!!!!

vava74

December 27th, 2011
3:11 am

northcyde,

Yeah, as always “Hollinger hits the mark”… so JoCrawford is the target for his commentaries whilst pretty boy Wall posts a complete trash of a boxscore (certainly with the game to go along) and it’s JoC that is penciled as the culprit for WAS’ woes…

That dude Hollinger is a bloody idiot!

We are talking about a guy who basically is in his actual rookie season since he hardly played with us and only got a couple of dozen games of experience last year.

These guys react based on pre-formated opinions even when reality shows them otherwise.

jamillion

December 27th, 2011
6:12 am

Melvin there is no need to sign any of those players. We need one legit big thats all. No more retreads. Yes nate a be nice,maybe even posey but who we cutting? Like i said the east was down last year and the bulls over achieved. This is going to be the best season ever almost college atomospheric. The young athletic teams with that leadership especially from thepoint are the ones to watch.

vava74

December 27th, 2011
6:37 am

Just Joe

December 27th, 2011
6:44 am

DWill. Teague.
Morrow. Johnson.
James. Williams.
Humphries. Smith.
Petro/Okur. Horford/Pachulia.

Hawks 98 – Nets 86.

The Real Mandingo

December 27th, 2011
7:04 am

@Slimjr

Slimjr

December 25th, 2011
10:32 pm

“Gearon’s Hawks are 2-12 in the 2nd round last 3 seasons combined = .166 winning%!!!!!!!! The media and real basketball fans will not give you any kudo’s cause ya suck…..Plus your team played .500 ball almost the entire season except for the 1st 6 games(6 game winning streak) of the season! If GEARON’S HAKWS PLAYED IN THE WESTERN CONFERENCE LAST YEAR THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN A NINTH SEED!! LOL

MEMO TO GEARON:

You call that success Genius? It’s a good thing Daddy left you a pot worth 100’s of millions cause Sir you are living in another universe…lol”

To: Slimjr

I hate to sound like a perfectionist but a record of 2-12 (two wins and twelve losses) reflects a winning percentage of 0.1428 (14.3%) because winning percentage is calculated as total wins/total games played [total wins divided by total games played] – that would be two wins out of fourteen games played or 2/14 (1/7). I am not sure if you have already corrected yourself or if someone has already corrected you. As a result, the Hawks’ (aggregate) playoff record [winning percentage] in the second round for the past three seasons is actually worse at 0.143 (14.3%) than what you stated at 0.166 (16.6%).

I apologize for sounding like the nerd that I am. (lol)

Rev in Tampa

December 27th, 2011
7:14 am

From the article about JJ,

I am glad to hear about his jumpshot improvements, but have f

Rev in Tampa

December 27th, 2011
7:22 am

oops. to finish my thought…

…I have failed to see the improvement in JJ’s jumpshot during the 2 preseason games. JJ, of course, is THE KEY to the Hawks season.

Falcons4Eva

December 27th, 2011
8:16 am

Just read the column piece on Joe Johnson.

I’d be curious to know how do MC and the AJC go about deciding what to list or include as a BLOG article or not. I would love to have had the opportunity to add my 2 cents in regarding Joe Johnson.

Was there a pre-deal made that that story would not be subjected to fans responding to the story? Where you trying to “protect” Joe’s feelings or what? Just asking.

vava74

December 27th, 2011
8:24 am

Falcons4Eva

December 27th, 2011
8:16 am

No one is preventing you from venting your opinion about JJ and the piece.

It’s not that the blog is so rigid that you have to stay “in topic” :-D so get it out (I know that what is coming is negative thou).

Runner-

December 27th, 2011
8:49 am

Anyone remember Jordan Crawford? That dude’s gonna be a baller, we could have used him…

STRETCH

December 27th, 2011
8:55 am

“I will tell you that if we are at the trade deadline and we think we are missing that piece that we think will take us over the top, we [would pay the tax],” Gearon said.

More lies from Gearon. You idiot, you guys have been missing that piece for years! What makes this year any different?

With all these free agents out there, yet they still trot out Marvin Williams, they add the Geritol Gallopers and a soft PF who will only shoot 3’s. They still refuse to address the problem they have had and i dont even need to bring it up cause we all know what that is.

Typical Atlanta ran sports team. Sports has been in Atlanta for over a half a century and they have 1 championship to sho for it. And guys like Gearon, Sund, Gonzales and Wren all talk about their “Core” players. What a joke!

Atleast the Falcons have a passionate owner in Blank, they just need coaches that know how to adjust during games and shore up a defensive unit…the difference here is that they WILL make adjustments this offseason not like the Hawks and Braves!!!

tony

December 27th, 2011
9:02 am

Blue Steel, I agree with you about Gilber Arenas. I’m surprise the hawks hasn’t already signed him – that is if he’s no longer under contract. The hawks could go deep in the playoffs if they had his scoring which was 1 of the hawks biggest obstacle(rank 26th in scoring) last season. Mr.Sund, sign this guy.

Tremaine

December 27th, 2011
9:03 am

Yawn……..

Rufus1

December 27th, 2011
9:38 am

PEDROEL GITANO

December 27th, 2011
10:22 am

Creo que tenemos mas profundidad de banquillo que el año pasado.Estoy deseando ver a estos chicos esta noche.Espero que ganemos y que Teague y Horford hagan buenos numeros(hoy los tengo en la fantasy).Respecto a Ivan Johnson seria bueno que le trataran con la misma profesionalidad con la que el esta jugando,y se dejaran de sacar trapos sucios totalmente irrelevantes acerca de su conducta anterior.El ha demostrado mas coraje que algunos jugadores con estatus superior en este equipo.Si se le dieran las mismas oportunidades que a Marvin(es increible la paciencia que estan teniendo con este chico)creo que Ivan podria hacerse con el puesto de titular en unos meses.Una ultima cosa:con una rotacion tan amplia el “joesistema”sobra ya en los hawks,el es un jugador mas y punto;si no tira con acierto al banquillo por favor,tenemos chicos que saben meter canastas tambien.No tenemos por que suicidarnos en sus frecuentes noches en las que no sabe seleccionar sus tiros de una manera adecuada,ni tenemos por que aceptar que Joe es nuestro jugador franquicia a menos que lo demuestre(cosa que no hace desde los 25 años).Bueno,nada mas,mañana escribire acerca del partido contra los Nets.Un abrazo y a disfrutar!!!

KevinM

December 27th, 2011
10:34 am

Just a few stats on Arenas last year: He started strong, then faded and fell out of favor:
NOV-18.0
DEC-13.3
JAN-7.8
FEB-6.9
MAR-7.0
APR-12.0

Playoffs- 1 double figure game, and he just didn’t look consistent.
Could he help our bench? I think so, if you give him regular minutes. He would be a good help to Joe, and if he knows his role, he might show up every night.
I like him at the lower level of the salary scale too! He will give us more than Stack or Sloan. Forget the youth movement…these guys need to win now!

Wow

December 27th, 2011
10:35 am

“His speed and quickness just makes us a totally different team”

I guess LD didn’t realize this last year

Rev in Tampa

December 27th, 2011
10:36 am

If any of you need some manure for your winter gardening you can find it here:

http://espn.go.com/nba/preview2011/story/_/id/7389579/nba-winter-forecast-east-standings

It is the same old tired crap that they have been dumping on the Hawks every year.

KevinM

December 27th, 2011
10:48 am

Big Ray, the big lights are now on.

No more excuses for this team….

Can’t count on Gearon and Sund to load up the bench. The players have to play with what they have.

The youth movement is over.

Big Ray

December 27th, 2011
11:10 am

He just plays hard and there’s not enough guys like that.”

Including on this team. Let’s hope it’s infectious.

vava74

December 27th, 2011
11:18 am

is it 7pm already?

is it 7pm already?

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vava74

December 27th, 2011
11:18 am

Ray,

did you get my postcard? :-D

BigTimeTECHFan

December 27th, 2011
11:30 am

Is there any way for the Hawks to keep the rights to Keith Benson and let him develop in the D League for a little while. I think we may regret cutting him.

I would have preferred keeping him and putting him in the starting lineup with
Teague
Johnson
Benson
Hortford
Smith

He would have done well in that line-up, by mid season would be impact.
Gotta play the young players to let them develop

Reserves would be
Hinrich
Zaza
Radmaonivic
Green
Pargo
Sloan
TMac
I Johnson

Rev in Tampa

December 27th, 2011
11:31 am

Will I sit in the livingroom and visit with my mother-in-law who just came into town or watch the Hawks tonight? Oh, the difficult decisions that press upon us everyday…

wordsmithtom

December 27th, 2011
11:32 am

KevinM,
Ditto on youth movement. The future is NOW. JJ healthy; MW healthy; JS slimmed down; a real point guard with defensive skills so our bigs can stay down low.

Why keep a rook on the bench to watch when you can have a seasoned vet there, ready and willing to do what it takes. Stack has already voiced the Win Now philosophy. I like that. He won’t play much, but if he does, you can bet your behind he will know how to call a time out if one is warrented; something a rook could never do.

If this team stays healthy, they should get a good start. If you watched Sunday play, it was kind of shaky. 10 turnovers from Kobe…Dallas struggling….Hawks should come out of the gate just like Miami. I think our bench is stronger, even if their starters are better.

doc

December 27th, 2011
11:34 am

rev, not sure what your problem is with what they predicted i see us as a 33 to 36 game team this year, more towards the bottom than the top number. our final position this year depends on what other teams do and how far they fall during the season not how we do, as it was last year. the knicks have moved ahead of us the magic behind, what remains is how far the magic fold and how much teams like indiana and the sixers do last year after making some noise at the end of last year. we should stay in the playoffs and allow us the chance to flip the switch.

what i warn myself about is how this team can quit on a dime. if one or two cogs go down and they go on a backward run it could get ugly. i still scratch my head at how many blow out losses they had last year and it wasnt by accident. they say they are a team that likes adversity and doubters well have at it. they also dont get beyond the second round for sure and they cant defeat any of the top four like last year as none of those teams are as one dimensional as the magic turned out to be.

i am still learning where everyone went to try and get a handle on what to expect this year but already some surprises as always in the first three weeks.

want to wonder if there is a vegas line on how long it takes for the bucks to implode with skiles having to work with jackson and jennings? man it might get real explosive there.

so rev what does your divine connection give as a prediction on the season and what exactly did you see so wrong on the espn predictions? care to get on a limb?

Corry

December 27th, 2011
11:36 am

I watched Ivan play all last year up in Erie in the Dleague..let me tell you…..Hawk fans are in for a treat!! dude is a beast. Relentless!!!. give him happy pills to curb all the “hulk” anger and he can be an all star in the NBA. Enjoy your season Hawk fans!!!

Corry

December 27th, 2011
11:38 am

Yo bigTime….guarantee Ivan is starting by game 10!!!

ILL-Logical

December 27th, 2011
11:46 am

Congratulations to Mr. and Mrs Horford on their nuptials.

doc

December 27th, 2011
11:53 am

ill …. what, they got kids already? what did they name them?

doc

December 27th, 2011
12:10 pm

in a magical perfect world for hawks fans ivan turns out to be the last piece and rugged down under guy that lets al and josh expand onto their float outside roles with impunity andwe suddenly look as vicious as the heat or bulls. he somehow does all the dirty wirk and rescues the basg and fans cant get enough of the now balanced attack of josh at three, al at five with no boss obligations and jj and jeff playing their roles immaculately.

man what drug am i on?

vava74

December 27th, 2011
12:11 pm

look to see Horford exhausted after this weekend…

…for Mrs. Horford sake, let’s hope that he worked harder in the post with her instead of settling for jumpers… :-D

Buddy Grizzard

December 27th, 2011
12:12 pm

Great reporting MC… Ivan has a kid on the way? That’s all I needed to hear… no way he screws this up. Sund has handed Las Vegas Larry just about the best roster available given the Hawks’ salary constraints. Ivan Johnson is a better player than T-Mac and probably has a better attitude. Vlad can ball. Zaza finally has someone (Ivan) beside him who is not afraid to bang. Great job Rick Sund… I’m more optimistic than I have been since Mookie was here.

vava74

December 27th, 2011
12:16 pm

doc,

I saw a lot of footage earlier today on Ivan and he is… tchan tchan tchaaaaaaannnn…

a perimeter player!!!! He loooooves shooting jumpers (and has a decent touch).

another intriguing factor… he seems to be a true Jamal on steroids: even on Erie’s wins he posted 8 out of 10 times a negative ± stat… even when he scored 35 points and racked up 10 rebounds and 5 assists…

Also, there are reports that he coasts on D…

MAYBE (huge one), he will adapt his game to the big league and understands that he will not survive in the NBA trying to be “the man with the rock” but being the “bully down low”.

HUUUGE maybe…

The Truth

December 27th, 2011
12:21 pm

I think it safe to say coach Drew has more scoring options than last year. The questions become who’s hot and who’s not, whether Drew will make the proper adjustment at the proper time or play the right player at the right time. This season may be more about Drew coaching than the Hawks new additions.

Buddy Grizzard

December 27th, 2011
12:21 pm

The only person who can really screw this up is Las Vegas Larry. Josh Smith is going to the All-Star game this year. Joe Johnson came back in great shape and wants to prove that last year’s down performance was due to injuries… he’s an All-Star again this year.

Al Horford has the most questionable attitude among the starters. He didn’t come to camp in great shape and didn’t use the lockout as an opportunity to strengthen his body to make himself more durable in the post. He still wants somebody else on the team’s job… He wants Josh Smith’s job instead of doing the job he’s been assigned.

But the biggest question facing the Hawks is the learning curve for Las Vegas Larry. He made some of the worst coaching decisions in the history of the NBA last year. His personality management was on par with John Kuester’s. But I’ve said before on these blogs I think Las Vegas CAN learn and WILL learn and WILL BE BETTER this year. I hope he proves me right because if I’m wrong true Hawks fans will spend the rest of our lives wondering what could have been if this team had an NBA-caliber coach.

O'Brien

December 27th, 2011
12:26 pm

Doc,

I’m with you on Mike Smith. If the Falcons lose their playoff game (making them 0-3 in the playoffs under Smitty), at the very least, I think they need to replace both coordinators.

Just Joe

December 27th, 2011
12:27 pm

Someone should make sure that Ivan fully understands the February deadline for non-guaranteed contracts. That should keep any young player motivated, especially one that’s not so young anymore.

If he can go toe-to-toe with Udonis Haslem, Big Baby Davis, Brandon Bass, Tyler Hansborough, Drew Gooden, and Taj Gibson, for 10 minutes a night, I’ll be pleasantly surprised. That’s the role we need filled. That’s also the role the Knicks are looking to fill, supposedly with a run at KMart later in the season.

Buddy Grizzard

December 27th, 2011
12:28 pm

Keep in mind that Phil Jackson made more money in one month of coaching than Las Vegas Larry has made in his entire career for one reason… personality management. I honestly don’t think Phil Jackson is that much better than Vegas at designing and calling plays. But the key is personality management, and only Kuester has been demonstrably worse at it than Las Vegas Larry in recent NBA history.

vava74

December 27th, 2011
12:29 pm

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BigTimeTECHFan

December 27th, 2011
12:33 pm

@Corry

“Yo bigTime….guarantee Ivan is starting by game 10!!!”

From what I seen he reminds me of Truck Robinson, power player that can score mid-range, Truck was about 6-8 and lead league in rebounding, Barkley type player
I hope he does, was not knocking Ivan, but Benson has a future in the league also. I would have liked to have both.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 27th, 2011
12:45 pm

Don’t worry Falcons fans. Remember we have the Hawks.

*yawn*

Rev in Tampa

December 27th, 2011
12:46 pm

doc,

I’ll go out on a limb. Miami, Chicago, and Boston will be the top three. Boston will certainly slip in their winning pct but I don’t think there is anyone else in the East who will be able overtake them.

Orlando absolutely free-falls out of the top four. The entire organization is in turmoil.

New York played SUB-500 basketball after Carmelo joined the team. They were 13-14 in their 27 games with Carmelo, yet we are to believe they will automatically win nearly 60% of their games. Its not happening.

What did Philadelphia and Milwaukee do in the offseason to be significantly better than 500% teams? Absolutely nothing.

Indiana will likely be much better than last year. Instead of having a 451% winning percentage they will raise it by 50 points to become a 500% team.

I foresee the Hawks winning 38 of their 66 games. I think they will be a couple of games behind the Celtics for the third seed. I don’t see anyone seriously challenging the Hawks for the fourth seed.

I think the Heat and Bulls will win the East by 8-10 games over the third seed.

EmirS.

December 27th, 2011
12:51 pm

http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/shaun_powell/12/27/hawks/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Funny how this blog has been stating these same exact facts for so long. Just goes to show you, no one knows their own team better then their own fans. Writers, reporters, coaches, scouts, etc, etc. No one comes close to ones team then the perspective and knowledge of the fan base.

doc

December 27th, 2011
12:59 pm

leave it to vava to pull the magic rug out from under me. was hoping to get more if the barreling thru guy, on the floor, bullying onto the middle big like an oakley.

bah humbug to you too vava. :-)

Wow

December 27th, 2011
12:59 pm

Marvin and Joe should have field days tonight

Runner-

December 27th, 2011
12:59 pm

Ivan Johnson is gonna bring the fans to Phillips Arena much like Zaza does with his competitive nature!!! Get ready for a ride Hawks fans, this season could get interesting!!!

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 27th, 2011
1:00 pm

Andrew Bynum has 73 blocked shots in 21 minutes per game.
Tyson Chandler has 58 blocked shots in 29 minutes per game.

Josh Smith has 81 blocked shots in 36 minutes per game.

Al Horford has 44 blocked shots in 35.5 minutes per game.

Emfrikkinbarassing. We know who our rim protecting center is. He’s 6′8.

Yeah Horford has more stamina to play more minutes but he is not a rim protector by any stretch of the imagination. We have a 6′8 guy anchoring the defense.

Thats why we suck.

No need to spin it any other way.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 27th, 2011
1:02 pm

Why is Marvin Williams part of the core?

Rev in Tampa

December 27th, 2011
1:02 pm

vava, I hate to break it to you, but the game is not until 7:30.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 27th, 2011
1:05 pm

The Hawks have always weighed the merits of keeping, or moving, Smith and Horford. Both are “tweeners”*. Horford is undersized at center but doesn’t have a face-the-basket game for power forward. Smith has crazy athleticism and skills for someone 6-foot-10 but too often falls in love with 20-foot jumpers. Both are in their primes, so holding onto them much longer would hurt their trade value.

ROUND OF A ******NG APPLAUSE. smh I TOLD YOU THE VALUE HAS PEAKED. But no! “You’re a hater”.

Goddamit if we had just plugged the keeping “2 tweeners” problem we could have had a title by now. But no! keep em both. Fake Prestige (coach’s votes) trumps all.

Rev in Tampa

December 27th, 2011
1:05 pm

“Marvin and Joe should have field days tonight”

Didn’t Marvin get into a fight with one of the Nets last year?

EmirS.

December 27th, 2011
1:05 pm

I’ll be missing the game tonight due to work….

But I’ll be checking in on live scoring! The advantages of being a manager :)

doc

December 27th, 2011
1:09 pm

rev what was our record in the last 27 games?

tyson chandler wont help?

sixers record far surpassed ours during the last two thirds if the season

pacers beat us like a drum the last meeting as they gelled and we swoonef

we lost jamal, gained t nac and smoove lost weight. that wont equal out.

O'Brien

December 27th, 2011
1:21 pm

Smith.Leuer.Bogut,

Who said Horford is a rim protector?

On defense, Horford is better at playing man-to-man defense, guarding his guy. He is not a good help defender, and he is not a shot blocker. So what’s your point?

When the Spurs won their last championships (after The Admiral retired), who was their rim protector? Duncan? What about when the Bulls won with MJ? Who was their rim protector? Luc Longley?

Teams dont have to have a dominant center to win championships. They need to play solid team defense. That’s the Hawks problem. It’s not just one guy.

Team defense is what wins.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 27th, 2011
1:21 pm

as constructed we can beat the fallen Boston. Sorry. Lets not act as if beating an expired Celtics squad would be an accomplishment.

Everyone has to go through Miami and Chicago (and then whomever comes out of the West).

Now there are several Eastern teams that can beat ATL in a 7game series.

J

December 27th, 2011
1:22 pm

Guys , can i just say one thing and leave this blog for awhile … even if the Hawks make the playoffs and have a great year, people still won’t support them. This city is full of clown bandwagoners who will only come out if we have A. a superstar B. a championship. It’s that simple. It sucks. Same with the Braves and Falcons. The support here BLOWS!

O'Brien

December 27th, 2011
1:24 pm

doc,

Hawks were 11-19 in their last 30 games (if I’m not mistaken).

vava74

December 27th, 2011
1:29 pm

doc,

There is still hope that Ivan the Terrible will adapt his game to fit our need.

His stat lines in the NBDL are crazy, certifiably crazy.

He even got a triple double and was close several times racking up 7, 8 dimes.

Another interesting stat: there were many games in which he went to the line 12, 13, even 18 times and there were games in which he went only twice.

Yet another interesting fact: he was in and out the starting 5 all the time and still averaged 29ppg!!!

He could be a cross between Antony Mason and Leon Powe… the missing link :-D

i_am_soulstar

December 27th, 2011
1:35 pm

Rev,

Marvin got into it with Shawne Williams when Shawne was playing for the Knicks

superiorblogman

December 27th, 2011
1:37 pm

Glad XMas is over, looking forward to tonite and hope you all enjoyed being with family. I like that part of the holidays.

Rev in Tampa

December 27th, 2011
1:39 pm

doc, everybody knows that the Hawks shut it down after their 5th seed was secured. They didn’t even show up the last six games.

Philadelphia had a good second half of the season but still could not break 500 win %.

The improvements that the Hawks have made since last year far surpass anything you have mentioned. The Hawks will be better on defense, they have more depth on the bench, they have a better point guard, and they have a noticably better attitude as a team.

MC says that JJ is taking more responsibility on his own shoulders, Josh worked to get in shape, Marvin is standing up straight, and LD is coaching for his job.

Besides, I have until 7:30 tonight to let my opitism run wild.

doc

December 27th, 2011
1:50 pm

rev, philly started about 2 – 18 last year and sniffed .500. only george karls first half season in denver was better for a turn around second half in my memory. we never really played no better than .500 after our start either.

but h*ll yes, run wild rev. heh heh

last time i was optimistic was start 2009 season suggesting a third seed ahead of boston.

it is a very quick shortened long season so really rationale prognostication is going out the window.

Mike is Back

December 27th, 2011
1:54 pm

MC, is there any talk of trying to resign Benson…this kid could be another DeAndre Jordon in a couple of years…just saying.

LET’S GO HAWK…LET’S GET THE SEASON STARTED RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dept. Of Unintended Irony

December 27th, 2011
1:56 pm

“Both are in their primes, so holding onto them much longer would hurt their trade value.”

“ROUND OF A ******NG APPLAUSE. smh I TOLD YOU THE VALUE HAS PEAKED. But no! “You’re a hater”.”

Unless I missed something, there’s a difference between “his value has peaked”, and “holding onto them much longer would hurt their trade value.”

Do you KNOW what the writer meant by “much longer”? Do you KNOW how long the prime is for any given player (particularly one who is only 25)?

Conjecture. That’s what you are good at. But it’s still conjecture.

Mike is Back

December 27th, 2011
1:57 pm

Dang, I must be still suffering from that beat down from last night.
LET TRY THIS AGAIN…GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 27th, 2011
2:09 pm

Who said Horford is a rim protector?
– Sautee, his brains been marinating too long imho :D

On defense, Horford is better at playing man-to-man defense, guarding his guy. He is not a good help defender, and he is not a shot blocker.
– very true. But when you meet a Perkins or Dwight etc. Then his man to man is gone. Or he plays Bosh who is 7 feet tall and can stand at the midrange and wait for Lebron/Wade to create and he plopped shots all over Horford’s all day.

When the Spurs won their last championships (after The Admiral retired), who was their rim protector? Tim Duncan?

Um yes.


In a game involving throwing a ball through a ten-foot cylinder, it’s hard to overemphasize the importance of height. Basketball games are won and lost by the rim, where a great center can dominate both sides of the ball. Offensively, the high release point of a seven-footer’s shot makes it nearly indefensible; defensively, their length forces smaller players to either shoot farther from the basket or try difficult release points to trick them at the rim.”

What about when the Bulls won with MJ? Who was their rim protector? Luc Longley?

- Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen were blocking shots forcing bad shots and getting steals.

But thats a non sequitur. Whats your point? Bulls had Scottie and Jordan with their smothering perimeter defense. We have Josh Smith, and Joe Johnson. Or the inferior tweener Marvin Williams.

“A championship team needs someone who can protect the rim defensively and an elite shot-creator offensively. Occasionally, in the case of someone like Tim Duncan, one player can fill both roles.”

Horford is neither. So why is he here?

Just Joe

December 27th, 2011
2:14 pm

“So why is he here?”….because the league makes us keep at least 13 guys on the roster, and he’s better than at least 11 other guys we have???

Just Joe

December 27th, 2011
2:18 pm

Seriously though, I get your point (I should, you’ve given it at least 1,000 times). You believe that Al Horford is more valuable as a trade chip than he is a player on this roster. My opinion (even though you didn’t ask) is that Al Horford will not net (in trade) an elite shot-creator or an elite rim-defender, so why trade him? He will not get you Dwight or Bynum or BOGUT or Deandre Jordan. He’s a solid role player and is paid as such. He’s Carlos Boozer, a third or fourth option on offense and a good team defender.

honest_abe

December 27th, 2011
2:34 pm

ivan johnson played in the k-league. nuff said. being a second generation korean myself i’m embarassed that they even call what they do in the k-league basketball. i’ve seen better competition watching 8th graders. bah!

hawks are the 3rd best team in the east. having the same core should give them the advantage during this shortented crazy season.

anybody else catch woody trying to look useful on sunday? welcome back to the nba mr. potato head. new york goes down several notches for hiring him and his elaborate defensive schemes. “switch” if if you life depends on it!

Sautee

December 27th, 2011
2:36 pm

Flavor Flav,

“Who said Horford is a rim protector?”
“– Sautee, his brains been marinating too long imho”

OK, when did I ever say that? Ever?

No.

I defend Horford when bogus stats are used, and when posters put words in his mouth that he never uttered, but I’ve only said that he was the best Center we have on the roster. And that SOMETHING made the coaches choose him for the All Star Game.

If THAT somehow translates to “Sautee says he’s a rim protector” in your marinated brain…

well, let’s be kind and say that you are a bit addled.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 27th, 2011
2:43 pm

Unless I missed something, there’s a difference between “his value has peaked”, and “holding onto them much longer would hurt their trade value.”

You did miss something … “The Hawks have always weighed the merits of keeping, or moving, Smith and Horford. Both are tweeners*. Horford is undersized at center but doesn’t have a face-the-basket game for power forward.” -Shaun Powell nba.com

Stretch Forward
“He fits that mold,” said Coach Drew the day after news broke of the signing. “He’s a 4 that can really stretch the defense. We did a lot of homework on him. Certainly when you have a 4 that can go out to the 3-point line, it gives you an added weapon. With Joe’s ability to force double-teams to focus on him, having that 4 that can go out there and stretch it… it just gives you an added weapon.”

Josh can’t stretch or play perimeter well and neither can Al. A year ago a recovering Bogut and #40 pick could have been had. So why do we still have these two tweeners and salt on the wound…Marv, a 3rd incompetent perimeter player, starting?

Melvin

December 27th, 2011
2:51 pm

The Nets starting forwards combine for 30 rebs last night. Marvin and Josh better block out tonight.

Melvin

December 27th, 2011
3:03 pm

How many on here knew that the Hawks are the OLDEST team in the league. I saw that stat on the NBATV preseason show the other day.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 27th, 2011
3:05 pm

Rakim,

“Who said Horford is a rim protector?”
“– Sautee, his brains been marinating too long imho”

OK, when did I ever say that? Ever?
………

It wasn’t you who compared Horfords blocks to 7′footers Bynum and Chandler?

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 27th, 2011
3:06 pm

Nets likely do better without Lopez. talk about empty #s. They can spread the offense around now I guess

KevinM

December 27th, 2011
3:08 pm

Hawks starting on their 1st back-2-back of the year.

We all know they should win both, but tonight is a tossup. We have no idea if this team will be in sync tonight. They haven’t shown it yet.
They will get pushed by the Wizards on the break while we welcome back JC2 to Philips, who sure would look good as the 6th man here instead of Marvin….wow, is that possible to think that?

Anyway, look for the starters to play MAJOR minutes tonight. Will we get any production out of our bench? If anything, our bench is 1/2 court dependent.

Of all the guys on our team, JT has his hands full both nights. The rest of the guys need to pick him up.

Did JT play with his bro Marquis in Lexington this summer when Wall came back to Lexington? Just curious.

Just Joe

December 27th, 2011
3:21 pm

I also compared Horford’s playoff blocked shots with Bynum & Chandler, which in no way suggests that Horford is a shotblocker. It only shows that there is not that large of a gap in blocks between those 3.

Also, above where you give total blocks to avg minutes per game, you can’t just leave out the # of games. You should revise that to show total blocks compared to total minutes. That may help you make your point.

Sautee

December 27th, 2011
3:26 pm

Flavor Flav,

about this:

“It wasn’t you who compared Horfords blocks to 7′footers Bynum and Chandler?”

Yes, I compared their block stats in playoff games, but where did I say that Horford was a “rim protector”?

I didn’t. Don’t put words in my mouth.

That’s called “lying”.

Hittman jamillion

December 27th, 2011
3:33 pm

The only team im afraid of is the matchup with the knicks frontcourt,though our back courts crazy

Bertie

December 27th, 2011
3:38 pm

Congratulations are in order to Al Horford on his marriage to Amelia Vega, Miss Universe 2003, on December 24th in Santo Domingo, D.R.

Good luck to the Hawks in their opening game tonight. Need a big game from Josh and Al and high shooting % from JJ.

BigTimeTECHFan

December 27th, 2011
3:49 pm

Ricky Rubio was nice player in his 1st game.
He and Teague will be future stars. not media darlings but real players

KevinM

December 27th, 2011
3:50 pm

RMan

December 27th, 2011
4:19 pm

Nothing to substantiate my feelings of optimism at season’s start, but just sense that the Hawks will do much better than anticipated this year and will make it to the Eastern Conference Finals!

Abandoned Hawk

December 27th, 2011
4:26 pm

I’m no longer in the south and would still love to watch the games online. Is there anyway I could do this?

Can anyone please help?

Rod from College Park

December 27th, 2011
4:48 pm

Look at these quotes from Andray Blatche after last nights game. Total opposite of what we are dealing with.

“You can’t keep having me pick-and-pop and shooting jump shots,” Blatche said in the locker room. “Give me the ball in the paint. That’s where I’m most effective at. I’ve been saying that since training camp: I need the ball in the paint. I don’t want to be the pick-and-pop guy that I used to be. It’s not working for me.”

I wish some of our front court players would make statements like this.

Slimjr

December 27th, 2011
4:53 pm

C’mon Joe Johnson! Shut up those freaking detractors this year Sir!!!

Slimjr

December 27th, 2011
4:54 pm

Let the games begin tonight!

Hawks by 25!

Najeh Davenpoop

December 27th, 2011
5:02 pm

“I saw a lot of footage earlier today on Ivan and he is… tchan tchan tchaaaaaaannnn…

a perimeter player!!!! He loooooves shooting jumpers (and has a decent touch).”

I got the same impression watching him in the preseason games. I can see how he might throw his body around and get boards, but he is every bit as in love with his jumper as Josh Powell was when he would come into the game.

Sautee

December 27th, 2011
5:03 pm

Rod,

Yeah, me too. I know you’ve seen me say that Horford needs to be inside a lot more, even if his effectiveness is barely sufficient. It just sets up the game better when you work inside-out.

But if Blatche were leading the league in FG% from 16-23 ft., would he still say the same?

Najeh Davenpoop

December 27th, 2011
5:08 pm

Regarding those ESPN predictions linked by Rev in Tampa, I don’t think 35 wins is a bad prediction for the Hawks this year (I have them at about 37-38), but the win predictions for some of the teams higher in the standings (Celtics and Magic in particular) seem way inflated.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 27th, 2011
5:08 pm

Any inventors out there? I think some Ivan Johnson muscle man suits would make a lot of money down there at Phillips. If you take my idea Gearon I got my lawyers ready.

hittman jamillion

December 27th, 2011
5:22 pm

@ Rod i couldn’t have said it better myself,all we get is al saying I don’t wanna play the post,though at one time Josh did say he knows he’s better in the post.
@ Doc I just don’t see all the significant moves that everyone else made to get better,the Knicks made a good play,but billups will be missed come playoff time,funny no one calls them cheap cause they didn’t keep chauncy and go into the luxury tax?
I look at it like this in 2007 when we took the eventual champs to seven though the media said we would get swept,the next year we omproved and the year after that we sweep boston in the regular season cause the fear was gone,problem was we faced Orlando in the post season and we where scared of DH and were swept. But the next season we were pose to sweep Orlando but beat them 3-1 in the regular season and went on the road to thrash them in the post season.These aren’t fictional stories just facts.We weren’t suppose to win a game against a bulls team with only one star player but we won two which should a been three but were cheated down the stretch in that fourth quarter game,plus LD killed us with his jamal favoritism.
All I’m stating is I see no reason why the Hawks shouldn’t be the second best team in the east this year,I look at the bulls like us versus the Magic.DH was the best player on the court but after him the next 3best players were all hawks,Indy,Milwaukee,Detroit,Orl,Philly none of those teams are of any consequence and i like the sixers problem is their best player isn’t better than our top two same with milwaukee, and indy.Just thinking if Granger,Iggy,,or Bogut was that good why haven’t these teams been of relevance period in the postseason
One nice trade a work wonders with this bunch and push us into contention.The reason we are not mentioned in elite status cause we don’t have that media darling like denver who will be solid all year long

Rod from College Park

December 27th, 2011
5:25 pm

Sautee,

“But if Blatche were leading the league in FG% from 16-23 ft., would he still say the same?”

Not if he was Al Horford. LOL

hittman jamillion

December 27th, 2011
5:28 pm

I have no fear saying barring injuryteague will get most improved player,like the year gilbert was unleased from Golden State . This is going to be the best NBA season in a long time savor it good games on every night with alot of up and coming teams they need to keep the schedule brutal like this.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 27th, 2011
5:33 pm

AMNESTY GEARON

Sautee

December 27th, 2011
5:33 pm

Rod,

My point exactly. Boy needs to plant himself inside, and take the 16 fters when they come in transition, or within the offense. Don’t get me wrong, he needs to shoot his midrange, but he needs to establish himself inside first. And not hang at the elbow for 16 seconds.

KevinM

December 27th, 2011
5:46 pm

“Sautee

December 27th, 2011
5:03 pm
Rod,

Yeah, me too. I know you’ve seen me say that Horford needs to be inside a lot more, even if his effectiveness is barely sufficient. It just sets up the game better when you work inside-out.”

I believe this is what Miami is starting to do as well. I like this approach. But why can’t we work that way and improve our FG% in the paint? Why can’t we go from 29th in the league to 10th? We supposedly have the 2nd or 3rd best C in the East, and we have a guy who is mucho better inside than facing the basket.

I want more inside activity instead of the high-flyin’ jump shootin’ Atlanta Hawks. Will we miss JC1? Perhaps to a point, but our focus should be on getting closer to the basket because of our ‘game experience’ alone. The other way isn’t getting it done.

2-16 in round 2……yuk!

And 680 has the worse support for the Hawks. 790 represented them at least some with NBA talk. How many hours do we need to dwell on a Falcons loss or cut to the Braves weekly report in December?

doc

December 27th, 2011
6:12 pm

hittman, you dont think baron davis wont help replace billups when he comes back healthy to support the three bigs? in the mean time they have a couple of young guys that should do as well as our poits.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 27th, 2011
6:37 pm

We have NO reason to not win by like 20 points tonight.

NJN is coming off a BACK TO BACK.

For once, can we please use that to our ADVANTAGE and run them off the court?

Their lineup stinks. They are short of talent. Their center is hurt. Put a damn body on Humphries and put this weak team away

Wabe

December 27th, 2011
6:43 pm

What’s there to be excited about in Atlanta…

Between the Hawks and the Falcons, fans are just left waiting for next season.

We’ll see what these Hawks can do starting tonight…

hittman jamillion

December 27th, 2011
6:47 pm

yeah doc he will try,but when will he be ready.I personally see billups as a better playerniether is a real point in my ipinion and billups has strengh and defense in his arsenal.
I figure this season is going to be about topnotch veteran teams and real thoroughbred young studs.The half court game is only gonna come into play come the end of the season and playoff time,cause the nba has gotten alot younger,the best team the heat is also the most athletic and the two teams under them in my opinion the clippers,and thunder are equally athletic.
It’s like a copycat league like football,you have to design your team to either compete with the best team,or beat them,the mavs just got past because they were the vets and it was just written,besides they had the best team,this year not so much,this is actually the team of a bunch of old men not the spurs or celtics at leats they are young at the key position pg,a below avg pg and perimeiter defense is not taking you far at all,thats no longer a weakness for the hawks doc

Buddy Grizzard

December 27th, 2011
6:48 pm

Co-sign grandmaster jeje… Hawks should have no trouble with nj or the wiz

hittman jamillion

December 27th, 2011
6:51 pm

Wabe i truly love my city we may not have a championship but all of our teams are relatively good.
Hell you could be in utah,minnesota,detroit,cleveland,or nashville lord forbid

hittman jamillion

December 27th, 2011
6:53 pm

@buddy how good is this mcgee kid?

Buddy Grizzard

December 27th, 2011
7:06 pm

He’s another guy like DeAndre who will be overpaid because he is tall and athletic. But all his talent has not resulted in the wiz making the playlets. Career 60 percent ft shooter… Not a go to guy.

Buddy Grizzard

December 27th, 2011
7:08 pm

Playoffs…. Stupid iphone

Ken Strickland

December 27th, 2011
7:11 pm

Both Teague and Pargo can and will put consistent pressure on the ball, which is something we were definitely unable to do with Bibby and Jamal at PG. That means a lot of teams will be forced to start their OFF farther out than they did with them at PG. JJ and Green will also be able to put pressure on SGs, while Marvin and TMac can put pressure on their SFs. We can expect the same from Josh and Ivan at SF. Horford and Zaza should dominate them at OC.

I wonder if Twin will get much PT since he played for the Nets when they went to the NBA finals.

KevinM

December 27th, 2011
7:14 pm

Wow, Mike Glenn boasting how T-Mac and Stack could give us 30 on a given night, but not sure if they could do it every night.
Mike Glenn just lost credibility with me on that comment. Haha, 2 former top 10 picks making up for the loss of JC1.

#Let'sGoHawks!

December 27th, 2011
7:19 pm

12 more mins until game time..

#Let'sGoHawks!

December 27th, 2011
7:19 pm

well 11 now, haha.