Atlanta Hawks: Hawks waive Sy, Wanamaker, Rolle (Update: Benson also released)

The Hawks waived forward Magnum Rolle and guards Pape Sy and Brad Wanamaker today. More cuts are coming later today: The roster now stands at 16, one more than the maximum, and it’s possible Atlanta will carry the minimum 13 players for the regular season.

UPDATE: The Hawks waived center Keith Benson, their only draft pick in June. The team plans to carry 15 on the roster to start the season. There are four players on the roster with non-guaranteed deals: Ivan Johnson, Jannero Pargo, Donald Sloan, and Jerry Stackhouse.

The decisions on Rolle and Wanamaker were not unexpected but the Hawks gave up on Sy after investing in him as a long-term prospect. Coach Larry Drew said Sy’s inability to develop as a point guard played a part in the decision.

“We, the coaches and the management, came to an agreement that he’s been a little bit more effective off the ball than at the point,” Drew said. “With that and the acquisition of Willie Green and [having] a number of other guys that are veterans that can play two, he became expendable. We were hoping he would mature and develop but he just seemed more comfortable at that two-guard spot. With that, we made the decision to go in a different direction.”

Sy, a native of France, made his way to the NBA as a a rare unknown prospect–prominent Web sites that track numerous draft-eligible players had no file on Sy before Atlanta selected him in the second of the 2010 draft. Sy had paid his own way to work out for the Hawks, the only team to grant him an audience, and impressed Drew.

The Hawks paid about $125,000 to buy out Sy’s French contract last year and paid him $473,604 in salary in 2010-11. He played a total of 21 minutes for the Hawks last season and spent 23 games with Atlanta’s D-League affiliate.

Sy had a good training camp but Atlanta’s payroll is pushing against the luxury-tax line, leaving little room for carrying players who can’t help the team now. The Hawks added guards Green and Pargo during training camp.

“It was a really tough decision,” Drew said. “There were a lot of things we liked about Pape.”

When the Hawks drafted Benson, they said he was a long-term prospect because he needed to add bulk and strength. But Benson, like Sy, appears to be a victim of Atlanta’s focus on veterans at the expense of carrying prospects who need time to develop. Benson was released by a club team in Italy during the lockout.

Rolle signed with the Hawks near the end of last season and re-joined the team following a stint in South Korea. He came into camp out of shape after he said a right foot injury hampered him from maintaining his conditioning.

Wanamaker, a rookie free agent out of the University of Pittsburgh, struggled during last night’s exhibition victory against Charlotte.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

771 comments Add your comment

Slimjr

December 23rd, 2011
11:40 pm

Big Dog

December 23rd, 2011
10:13 pm

“but right now, he’s just a very raw physical talent without fundamentals.”

Agreed but Al Horford has peaked after 5 year. DeAndre’s raw talent has a tremendous upside. Coming out of college Al was Dubbed the ” most polished and NBA ready” player in the draft. he hasnt gotten any better in my opinion. His best year in college he was a 12ppg and his pro career ave is 12ppg. He is not doing any thing better since he got here. Hes peaks. DeAndre has only just begun. For my money Im on the bandwagon with the guys who would take DeAndre over Al.

In fact let me ask you a question… do you think the Clippers would make that trade head up DeAndre for Al?

Not straight up..They would probably want a pick also Big Dog?

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 23rd, 2011
11:55 pm

Josh Smith. Marvin Williams. Deandre Jordan

Josh Smith optimally defends the 3. And you have a PF and C bodying up. Smith comes down and does helpside blocks on the side.

Al Horford is not the biggest problem here. He has the most trade value.
Josh Smith is not the biggest problem here. He has the 2nd most trade value.
Marvin is the biggest problem. He does nothing and has the most negative contract/value.

Deandre Jordan can defend 5s for 30 minutes and dunk like Tyson or Bogut. Sure.
But what do you do about Marvin?

You want to trade Horford then Marvin can’t start. It’s lateral AT BEST. Here’s the blueprints guy.

SF.PF.C
Smith. shooter. Center

Smh at Talking about upside. Bynum, Chandler, Perkins. They score an avg of 8 pts in their title runs?

Its just not efficient to run an offense thru a center when u can just shoot it and bully people on the boards. IE the Lakers Twin Towers, 7′0 Tyson, 7′0 Dirk, 7′0 Marion.

Why do you think Duncan played PF all those years? = Easy layups

Ken Strickland

December 23rd, 2011
11:57 pm

It looks like the Hawks have decided to carry 15 instead of 13 on the roster. That means our 15 man roster is set, but who makes the final 12 man roster? I see Zaza, Twin, Radmanovic, TMac and Pargo, because of his DEF, as locks. That leaves 5 players(Johnson, Sloan, Stackhouse, Green) to fight for the remaining 2 active roster spots. I think Green will get one spot because he’s a combo guard, and Johnson should get the other one because we’d only have 3 backups at PG/C if he’s not included.

I think one of the main reasons Pape Sy was waived was due to him not having a guaranteed contract. In fact, I believe that had a lot to do with Rolle and Benson’s release as well. Right now, Pargo, Johnson, sloan, and Stackhouse, are the only ones let who’s contracts aren’t guaranteed.

BIG DOG

December 23rd, 2011
11:58 pm

Cut PAPE, and never gave the guy a chance wow!!!!!!!!!!

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

BIG DOG

December 24th, 2011
12:00 am

Sign all these guy and non above 6′10 SMH

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

December 24th, 2011
12:00 am

Should have kept Benson to protect the rim off the bench and give six extra fouls on the front line! @#$%^

Slimjr

December 24th, 2011
12:03 am

Big Dog, my concern is Teague’s durability this season..I hope this guy does not become the next Tyrone Lue?

BIG DOG

December 24th, 2011
12:06 am

This to Coach LD your not winning unless you have true center that can defend the paint.

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

Slimjr

December 24th, 2011
12:06 am

One last hoorah for the Core? Get your DVR’s setup..lol

Slimjr

December 24th, 2011
12:08 am

Keys to winning a Championship:

Point guard: check

Center: All NBA… don’t check that box yet….

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 24th, 2011
12:10 am

And when people say “Player A” is better than Horford…it’s not overall.

Its that he’s not a traditional center. Nor a traditional PF. But overall if u get a superstar he’s likely the best fit.

But to get a superstar you need to draft or trade. So its not happening here. At the same time his trade value was once at the point where you could have gotten 1 of the best traditional centers and a 2nd rounder to cover Josh’s weaknesses for Al.

Now his “upside” that Larry Drew said was being a beast at PF is not there. And you’d probably have to give up picks for a traditional center and guy like Leuer.

Mentioning Leuer again because Josh + Marvin + Deandre is not getting it done even if Deandre becomes Dwight 2.0.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 24th, 2011
12:11 am

Get your DVR’s setup..

L2ms

Grandmaster JeJe

December 24th, 2011
12:17 am

1. MIA
2. CHI
3. ATL
4. ORL
5. NYK
6. BOS
7. IND
8. PHI

IND could be as high as 5 depending on what West does

Grandmaster JeJe

December 24th, 2011
12:18 am

Orlando still has players. Don’t see them falling much

Grandmaster JeJe

December 24th, 2011
12:22 am

Replace PHI with MIL. MIL has always had nice players but get decimated by injuries

BIG DOG

December 24th, 2011
12:23 am

Grandmaster jeje, you say Hawks finish 3 SMH AND LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

MattP

December 24th, 2011
12:27 am

Orlando will have to trade Howard though, unless they want to lose him for nothing. And where the Knicks fall will depend on how Davis’ back is.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 24th, 2011
12:27 am

Who outside of the obvious top 2 is better an us?

We finished 3rd two years ago with a 2 player bench

Slimjr

December 24th, 2011
12:27 am

in Today’s NBA your #3 should be a very good scorer and your #5 a defender and post player not a one dimension shooter.. where is the logic?

Slimjr

December 24th, 2011
12:29 am

So Gearon fixin to dismantle this Core? Don’t believe it.. Prove it Sir…….

Grandmaster JeJe

December 24th, 2011
12:29 am

MattP,

BDiddy is not returning anytime soon. He will not staynhealthy either. He is not a healthy person.

Not sure why Mo never signed there. I heard NYK offered him 2.5m exception. 2.5 is more than was his annual salary here (7m/3)

Btw. Thanks Northcyde for Jamal breakdown

Buddy Grizzard

December 24th, 2011
12:30 am

“Why are we limiting Jason Collings defensive abilities to Dwight I don’t get it. If he can put up a good defensive effort against the best offensive Center in the league, why doesn’t that mean he can stop ANY offensive Center, I certainly don’t see why not…”

JaeEvolution, the reason is that Dwight has almost no face-up game. The majority of his offensive game is bulling his way to the basket against weaker opponents. He is a bully, as All-NBA Al can attest. He gets superstar treatment. As we all know, he’s allowed at least 8 fouls a game. If he was called for every foul that he commits, he would foul out by halftime of about half the games he plays.

This is not good for ratings, so chief gangsta stern lets the refs know to let em play when Dwight is in town. Collins, meanwhile, has no foot speed. He can’t keep up with Joakim Noah. But he can stay between Dwight and the basket and Dwight can’t bull his way over Collins. Against any center that can shoot from the outside or put the ball on the floor and drive to the basket, Collins is useless. There are other slow footed centers that he is perfectly serviceable against, but mostly he’s a one trick pony due to his effectiveness against Dwight.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 24th, 2011
12:34 am

On top of that Collins only plays 12mpg on average. Even worse is that he’s perpetually injured. Not one preseason game.When’s the last time he even practiced?

Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 24th, 2011
12:35 am

“So Gearon fixin to dismantle this Core? Don’t believe it.. Prove it Sir…….”

Josh Smith for picks… Joe Johnson for JJ Redick..

Josh Al or JJ will now create the offense. Take your pick. Oh and then there’s combo guard Teague. Oh and Stack oh and McGrady oh and Willie Green need I go on?

Grandmaster JeJe

December 24th, 2011
12:36 am

Rufus1 good find. How the hell did Melo win a Nat. championship? I never ever see him winning a ring

Big Dog

December 24th, 2011
12:57 am

Slimjr you know your ch!t. LOL. I agree and co-sign.

“n Today’s NBA your #3 should be a very good scorer and your #5 a defender and post player not a one dimension shooter.. where is the logic?” – Bulls eye.

Smith.Leuer.Bogut With Josh and DeAndre on the same squad you can do many different things but nothing as good as having Josh at PF and D at the 5 post. But yea, you can maximize and expand just based on the pure athleticism. With that type of squad you can fill in the blanks. I keep JJ and just add solid players rather than game changers.

OK Slimjr, Ill get that DVR set up!

KevinM

December 24th, 2011
1:08 am

NBA preview courtesy of cnnsi:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/nba/12/22/crystal.ball/1.html

You think they even mentioned the Hawks one time? Coach? Players?

We are as insignificant as the marketing director for the Hawks. No vibe, no must-see all-star, no nuttin’!

Roy

December 24th, 2011
1:13 am

All I can say is FIRE RICK SUND.

KevinM

December 24th, 2011
1:20 am

Someone was mentioning the Hawks had the oldest team in the league….has anyone looked at Dallas?
They have 8 guys in double figures re: playing years, led by Kidd with 17.
The Hawks have 5 guys in double figures, led by Stack with 16.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 24th, 2011
1:57 am

“Technically, there are 2 backup centers. Zaza and Twin. Its just that Twin is ineffective against almost every center not named Dwight.”

Yeah, I left off Twin for that reason. He will be effective against Dwight and a few other teams but he is not a realistic option to provide quality minutes on an every game basis.

I just think when the Hawks go up against smaller, uptempo teams, and Al gets into foul trouble, they are going to be in deep sh-t if they have to rely on Zaza the entire game. Benson is a project but he would have helped.

When Kirk gets back, one of those three combo guards is going to be gone (my guess is Sloan since he will probably get the least playing time of the three). At that point, will Benson be available? Will any other serviceable big man be available? I doubt it.

doc

December 24th, 2011
1:57 am

yeah buddy, collins is like the left hander in the bullpen brought in for maybe 40 outs a year against left handed hitters in critical situations. otherwise, he sits.

sorry, i wish i could believe but t mac with 15 years and stack with 17 dont have enough gas in the tank. add “one trick pony” twin, ivan and sloan who play only in very uncertain situations and hinrich out, we are weak and very under sized. no one has mentioned anything really positive about t mac since he got here.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 24th, 2011
2:23 am

Nate Robinson is getting bought out. I’d rather have him around than Willie Green.

vava74

December 24th, 2011
2:32 am

Najeh,

Nate is an idiot. You don’t get traded and released as many times as he is for no reason.

He is childish & undependable. In a weak organization like the Hawks, he would be all over the place demanding this and that, pouting and generally creating trouble.

Jimmy Mack

December 24th, 2011
2:36 am

Not a regular blogger. I do read the some of the comments. But I had to sign on to say…PLEASE KEEP IVAN JOHNSON AND PUT HIM THE ROTATION.

vava74

December 24th, 2011
2:47 am

Collins also defends Bogut well.

As a situational post defender, Collins is an invaluable bench player AND is a guy who in theory could have teached Benson the fundamentals of post defense (and eventually the fundamentals of buffet eating).

Now he will have the opportunity to teach the invisible man.

Carrlos Lyles

December 24th, 2011
3:56 am

i agree with the ultimatum standpoint. but for the league to say that we are on the bobcats level (see pre season matchups) says alot.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 24th, 2011
4:18 am

“He is childish & undependable. In a weak organization like the Hawks, he would be all over the place demanding this and that, pouting and generally creating trouble.”

So what you’re telling me is Stackhouse’s amazing locker room leadership abilities won’t keep him in line?

vava74

December 24th, 2011
4:22 am

Najeh,

I would leave that responsibility to our Captain Smoove who’s a specialist in the childishness department!!!

Stack is so old that he probably does not even know what a Wii or PS3 is… and if you want to make a point in an argument with Nate, you need to have videogame references…

Actually, I know for a fact that in order to coach Nate, you need to show him what to do on NBA 2k12 instead of in a board :-D

HB Ando

December 24th, 2011
5:09 am

Umm, hello fellas. To all whose handles I recognize, Happy Holidays. Doc, I tried to text you at the last number I had for you, but got no response. I’d really like to connect with you if you are interested.

The real question I have is: WHERE THE HECK IS BIG RAY AND THE FAN BLOG??????? IT’S NOT LIKE THE SEASON IS STARTING IN TWO FRIGGIN’ DAYS OR ANYTHING!!!!!! I KNOW I’M OUT OF THE LOOP, BUT UNLESS RAY HAS BAILED AND LEFT THE AJC, AND HIS SUBSTANTIAL PEER/FAN BASE HANGING, WHY IN THE HECK HAS HE NOT BEEN GIVEN ACCESS TO DO HIS “THANG”??

WAZ UP!!!!?????

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Notso Fast

December 24th, 2011
6:16 am

The only thing we can add to the team that will help us to win is new ownership. When money is the only factor that is considered then you end up with over the hill players that are just trying to get one more year of NBA money.

Hawkey Doke

December 24th, 2011
6:46 am

hmmmm I don’t know what to think about Sy being cut… I’m sad for him because it looks he didn’t realize it didn’t happen…
He tried to make a teammate’s job on last game, whereas he (like many other guys) he should have played for hiw own.
A pity he didn’t try more things.
A pity they didn’t let him play more.
A pity they bought out… his contract.

That’s really strange how things happened.

Hmmm

December 24th, 2011
6:54 am

Actually, Josh has the most trade value. He is like Lamar Odom, talented tweener who is better off as a 6th man who can do some of everything, than as a regular starter.

Put him on a contender and they become the team to beat, but keep him as a starter and rely on him to “lead” you anywhere, you’ll never get over the hump.

Hmmm

December 24th, 2011
6:57 am

And I’d rather have Iverson than Nate Robinson. Both stubborn but at least Iverson would put butts in seats.

Hmmm

December 24th, 2011
7:04 am

“…Coming out of college Al was Dubbed the ” most polished and NBA ready” player in the draft. he hasnt gotten any better in my opinion”

Sorry but that’s a lie. His numbers have improved every season, while Josh’s numbers are basically the same.

wut

December 24th, 2011
7:20 am

HORFORD:
09 11.5ppg, 9.3REB, 525fg%, 727FT%
10 14.2ppg, 9.9REB, 551fg%, 789FT%
11 15.3ppg, 9.3REB, 557fg%, 798FT%

SMITH:
09 15.6ppg, 7.2REB, 492fg%, 588FT%
10 15.7ppg, 8.7REB, 505fg%, 618FT%
11 16.5ppg, 8.5REB, 477fg%, 725FT%

Rev in Tampa

December 24th, 2011
7:25 am

With the Hawks being so thin at center it will likely mean that the 2-foul rule will be in full effect for Al in the first half of games.

Cali OG

December 24th, 2011
7:33 am

Man, as a long time reader of this blog who appreciates all the insights from fellow Long-Suffering Hawks Fans, it is so great to see a post from Blog OG HB Ando!!! For the nu skoolers in the mix, dued was a MONSTER BLOGGER alongside other blog legends like Big Ray, doc, Clyde, Sautee, Honest Abe, Astro Joe, Big Dave, Ken Singleton, Samuel, drMaryb and the many that followed. Much Love to all during this Christmas Season and in every season of your lives…

wut

December 24th, 2011
7:35 am

And for the advanced stats:

HORFORD
09 17.0PER, 06.8 Win Shares
10 19.4PER, 10.9 Win Shares
11 20.7PER, 10.1 Win Shares

SMITH
09 17.2PER, 4.9 Win Shares
10 21.0PER, 9.3 Win Shares
11 19.2PER, 6.4 Win Shares

wordsmithtom

December 24th, 2011
8:10 am

Benson looks to have upside, if he can gain some weight. Has talent, but obviously not ready. I think it had to do with the lockout, and not understanding what he had to do to get himself ready for an NBA team. He went to Italy, where he hardly played. If you can’t shine in Italy, you ain’t ready for the NBA….that’s for sure. He’d have been better served staying in Atlanta, working out with a strength and conditioning coach, and bulking up instead of taking in the scenery amid the Italian countryside. A number of guys went over seas and came back either hurt or out of shape. Some got tied up by contracts.
Benson better take this cut to heart by putting in the work he should have done this fall when he shows up at his developmental league team, whomever that is. He’s obviously not ready, and a place on our bench won’t make him any more ready….not on a team trying to make the next step.