Atlanta Hawks: Hawks waive Sy, Wanamaker, Rolle (Update: Benson also released)

The Hawks waived forward Magnum Rolle and guards Pape Sy and Brad Wanamaker today. More cuts are coming later today: The roster now stands at 16, one more than the maximum, and it’s possible Atlanta will carry the minimum 13 players for the regular season.

UPDATE: The Hawks waived center Keith Benson, their only draft pick in June. The team plans to carry 15 on the roster to start the season. There are four players on the roster with non-guaranteed deals: Ivan Johnson, Jannero Pargo, Donald Sloan, and Jerry Stackhouse.

The decisions on Rolle and Wanamaker were not unexpected but the Hawks gave up on Sy after investing in him as a long-term prospect. Coach Larry Drew said Sy’s inability to develop as a point guard played a part in the decision.

“We, the coaches and the management, came to an agreement that he’s been a little bit more effective off the ball than at the point,” Drew said. “With that and the acquisition of Willie Green and [having] a number of other guys that are veterans that can play two, he became expendable. We were hoping he would mature and develop but he just seemed more comfortable at that two-guard spot. With that, we made the decision to go in a different direction.”

Sy, a native of France, made his way to the NBA as a a rare unknown prospect–prominent Web sites that track numerous draft-eligible players had no file on Sy before Atlanta selected him in the second of the 2010 draft. Sy had paid his own way to work out for the Hawks, the only team to grant him an audience, and impressed Drew.

The Hawks paid about $125,000 to buy out Sy’s French contract last year and paid him $473,604 in salary in 2010-11. He played a total of 21 minutes for the Hawks last season and spent 23 games with Atlanta’s D-League affiliate.

Sy had a good training camp but Atlanta’s payroll is pushing against the luxury-tax line, leaving little room for carrying players who can’t help the team now. The Hawks added guards Green and Pargo during training camp.

“It was a really tough decision,” Drew said. “There were a lot of things we liked about Pape.”

When the Hawks drafted Benson, they said he was a long-term prospect because he needed to add bulk and strength. But Benson, like Sy, appears to be a victim of Atlanta’s focus on veterans at the expense of carrying prospects who need time to develop. Benson was released by a club team in Italy during the lockout.

Rolle signed with the Hawks near the end of last season and re-joined the team following a stint in South Korea. He came into camp out of shape after he said a right foot injury hampered him from maintaining his conditioning.

Wanamaker, a rookie free agent out of the University of Pittsburgh, struggled during last night’s exhibition victory against Charlotte.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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SteveW

December 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm

So our for sure on the team guys are:

Al Horford

Smoove

Marvin

JJ

ZaZa

Collins

Teague

VladRad

TMac

Hinrich

So, out of these 6, we’re going to keep 3, maybe more:

Green – According to Drew above, it’s sounds like he’s assumed to be in. That’s why they waived Sy.

Pargo

Stackhouse

Benson

Ivan Johnson

Sloan

I say if LD has his way, the last two will be between Pargo and Sloan at 1 spot, and Ivan Johnson at the other.

Financially, it would be possible to keep Green, Stackhouse, and 2 of the following 3: Ivan Johnson, Benson, and Sloan.

Sloan really looked ok last night. Not a bad 3 PG option at all.

I’m thinking LD wants to keep Stackhouse, just trying to figure out a way to do it.

Mike

December 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm

@Yo

I wont trust Gearon with a grain of salt and sand right now, remember he was saying about that Hockey team staying in Atlanta and look where they are right now.

YO YO YO

December 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm

Josh Smith in the post? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

KevinM

December 23rd, 2011
2:26 pm

“Jerri Glanville

December 23rd, 2011
2:02 pm
Amnesty Marvin Williams, or is it too late?”

Deadline has passed (12/16)…Sund told us no one would be eating in the amnesty dining hall. The ASG isn’t going to give away any money because they don’t have championship aspirations as much as they do making safe decisions. The reason they hired Sund was because he isn’t a risk taker. He has put very little on the line and is fine with working on his year-2-year contract. It is frustrating knowing that moving Marvin would have presented a terrific opp to bring in a significant piece, even if it was a Kwame Brown.
Marvin fits no role here; he falls down as much as he misses 2 footers.
Nothing personal, but I don’t see the improvement in our short view of this year’s team…..I knew he would be part of this team because the ASG simply doesn’t work ’smart’. When they decide to put the best players on this team 1-13 or 15, then I will change my tune.

MattP

December 23rd, 2011
2:27 pm

“So say goodbye to Smith, Horford, Williams, Hinrich, Drew, Sund, Zaza, basically everyone besides Teague is getting traded or amnestied after this season if they fall short. OUT THE DOOR”

J. Johnson too. He will get amnestied after this season I bet, no matter how good he plays.

SteveW

December 23rd, 2011
2:31 pm

So we’ve got 10, and according to LD above probably 11 for sure guys in.

If it’s me, and it’s not, I keep Pargo,Ivan, and Benson, and bring the roster to 14.

But I really like Sloan and Stackhouse, so it’s a difficult decision.

Sloan really impressed me last night. Wanamaker did not. And I think Rolle just had bad timing with that foot injury. He’s really ok at basketball. Sy is a phenomenal athlete, but he was probably two years away of consistently contributing on the basketball court. But that’s why he was drafted #52 or whatever – not like you get Micheal Jordan at that spot or anything.

PS – Grandad – come back – we miss you on this blog!

KevinM

December 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm

Re: Al being shipped out……it will NEVER happen…he would to have to just lose his talent overnight for that to happen. We gave him a contract without him challenging the other teams. Stupid is is stupid does, just like Joe and Marvin.
The only sound signing Sund has made is allowing Josh to explore his options. He got his offer and Sund had to match. Its not Sund’s fault that LD sees him as a basket facing 3. Fine, give him some minutes there, but that is far from his strength. I will say his jumper does look better this year at this stage, so I give Josh a pass because no one came in camp in as good a shape as he. Maybe Joe, but he isn’t showing it on the court in numbers yet.

I am confident Sund will have us at the minimum of 13 players, with Sloan as the only one who might bend that rule due to the health of Teague.

Benson can go back overseas for a year, and don’t have Stack just sitting there a la Ken Norman.

Yes, we need better big men talent, but we have enough big men on the bench to get through a 48 minute game. Collins hasn’t done anything but he and Zaza should be able to handle it.

Ken Strickland

December 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm

It looks like Benson either made a bigger impression, or Rolle just wasn’t in good enough shape to be effective. I certainly missed on that one. I wonder how they view Stackhouse, because he hasn’t done much so far. With our starting 5, plus Zaza, TMac, Radmanovic, Twin, Green, and Pargo being locks, who will get the final active roster spot betwen Benson, Johnson, Sloan, and Stackhouse?

Mike

December 23rd, 2011
2:34 pm

MattP,

I would have to disagreed about JJ get amnestied next year unless they want to retool the team and have Josh or Al(if he isnt traded) as the center pieces to the new core.

MC, I have a question for you I didnt ask it when you did the interview with Gearon, when he say “Make it or Break it” year, does he means that if team doesnt past the second round this year, the core is getting changed or something else.

SteveW

December 23rd, 2011
2:34 pm

Guess we’ll see who’s left of the final 5 of Benson, IJ, Sloan, Stackhouse, and Pargo later today.

Pargo looked good last night as well. No way we keep he and Sloan I would guess however.

SteveW

December 23rd, 2011
2:36 pm

KS – I wouldn’t quite say Pargo is a lock. He is on a non-guaranteed contract. And if keeping Sloan meant being able to keep Stackhouse, I could see LD doing that.

Even though LD hates rookie PG’s, and I could also see him keeping Pargo. Not that Pargo doesn’t deserve to be kept however.

kwooden

December 23rd, 2011
2:37 pm

Melvin what it really shows is they don’t know how to develop players or have no desire to develop players. I actually don’t feel sorry for Pape because he had an opportunity but failed to prove he was ready. Though I do feel like this organization doesn’t know what it’s doing from the top right down to the bottom in terms of player development and player usage. Guys like Horford and Smith come back from the summer still having the same issues. It took an injury to a starter for Teague to actually get a real opportunity to play. During games their only creative coaching decisions were play Crawford more and play Crawford more. The best example was playing Bibby into the ground and then over paying to get a replacement. It really bothers me that it takes so long to make what it seems like obvious decisions. It reminds me of all the obviously bad moves by BK, I’m glad that for the most part that has stopped. Even though the Sy pick now looks like a complete waste.

SteveW

December 23rd, 2011
2:39 pm

So Green is in fact fully guaranteed. So two spots left for the Fab 5 of roster invitees…maybe more is ASG rolls out the dough.

Mike

December 23rd, 2011
2:40 pm

@KevinM

To get talent, you must give up talent, draft it or develop it. Al isnt untouchable and I know that he is the center piece for D12 trade if that ever happen. Right now, the Hawks has to look past that second round and you know that you will have to deal with Heat, Bulls, C’s or Knicks. Believe me, i am a Al supporter but I am a Hawks fan first and foremost and if trading Al will bring us one step closer to championship in Atlanta, i am all for it.

doc

December 23rd, 2011
2:40 pm

hawks, always trying to put a round object through a square hole these hawks. so much waste. how many of us here have laughed at ld saying pape was a point guard? maybe he can join diaw in finding a role as a point sf? which is more of what he is.

myk bro, ditto on t mac another done that we pay to ride out into the sunset. funny, so many fans got in a uproar of excitement, like he could replace jc1. only thing he is good at is just replacing joe smith’s and etan thomas’ role. i dont even think he brings in winning culture vet leadership as he never won anything and always ended up injured at critical times. he is nothing more than a mini- vince carter.

SteveW

December 23rd, 2011
2:40 pm

Jordan Crawford is the 3rd G in Washington, playing both the 1 and the 2. Wall, Young, and JC2 are not a bad young 3some to have playing Guard.

northcyde

December 23rd, 2011
2:41 pm

So we’re down to these 16 players

THE CORE: Johnson – Smith – Horford

THE CREW: Teague – Marvin – Hinrich – Zaza

THE VETS: McGrady – Radmanovic – Collins

THE GUNNERS: Stackhouse – Pargo – Green

THE YOUNGINS: Ivan – Sloan – Benson

The fact that Stackhouse made it past the 1st cut is a little disturbing. It means that the Hawks are seriously thinking about adding him to this team.

So who do you cut to get to 13? Or do you keep 14 or even 15 for about a month, until we know when Hinrich comes back, and make a cut then?

If I’m the Hawks, I’ll carry 15, and send Benson and Sloan to the D-League. Keep Ivan on the main roster. Cut Stackhouse. After a month, make a final decision who you want to keep on the roster for the rest of the year.

The All Troll Team

December 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm

Huh
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BoneKollector
O YO YO
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northcyde

December 23rd, 2011
2:47 pm

@ SteveW . . . I wonder what Drew would think about Jordan now, if this was the team. Would he think that he couldn’t play the point? Because that’s exactly what he thought last year.

So we trade him and others for Hinrich, and now Jordan will essentially be Washington’s 6th man, playing PG/SG to replace Wall and Nick Young.

ryan

December 23rd, 2011
2:47 pm

Anyone think trading JC2 will come back to haunt us like passing on CP3 and trading Jason Terry .

wut

December 23rd, 2011
2:49 pm

#Hawks waive Keith Benson. Roster now at reg. season max 15.

Cunningham on Twitter just now.

BOOM.

Mike

December 23rd, 2011
2:49 pm

@ryan

it detemines if Portland gets to the playoffs, but he is very dangerous for that team. We should got something for him period.

ryan

December 23rd, 2011
2:50 pm

Hawks just waived Kieth Benson what the FU%# what are they doing .

Mike

December 23rd, 2011
2:50 pm

another wasted draft pick, I just dont get it at all. They need to hire new people to scout people.

MattP

December 23rd, 2011
2:51 pm

@ryan, It already has come back to haunt us. JC2 would be a good 6th man for us right now because he is cheap. Basically right when he was trade he shines in Washington.

Slimjr

December 23rd, 2011
2:53 pm

Fundamentals

December 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm

“Face it folks the Atlanta Hawks Organization has proven over it’s past 25 years that it can’t:

DRAFT,
EVALUATE TALENT,
or DEVELOP PLAYERS”

Brilliant statement Sir!..Nobody could say it better!

MattP

December 23rd, 2011
2:54 pm

Wow! just watch Benson sign with another team and come back later on in the years and be the center we need. Benson will be a good center some day, he has everything just needs to bulk up more.

mykhalc

December 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm

yo Doc…u know what…this franchise just gets stupider by the season!!! to me this roster is startin’ to look like the roster we had right before the BIG TEAR DOWN!!!…the season right before Woodson was hired. damn this cycle went fast!!! the only thing that excites me this season is seein what LAC does. continued frustration as a Hawks fan…

Slimjr

December 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm

Hire Scouts who played or play the game.. Then you can weed out the scrubs pretty quickly..

I would never drafted this bust Sy..Dude can shoot????????????????????????WTF????????

wut

December 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm

“#Hawks plan to open season w/15 plyrs. 4 non-guaranteed contracts still on roster: I. Johnson, Pargo, Sloan, Stackhouse.”

ryan

December 23rd, 2011
2:55 pm

Traded some good players for these draft picks and cut them Hawks have got to be the dumbest team ether that or a big trade coming which doubt will happen .

Herman Cain

December 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm

“he would to have to just lose his talent overnight for that to happen.” – KevinM

thanks for clearing that up. Its not every day that you come across talent(12pts and 8.8career number), like that.

That’s very hard to replace.

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Grandmaster JeJe

December 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm

Even though Sund has not made a MEANINGFUL move for this team besides maybe the Jamal trade, he must be commended for the player moves recently.

He has gotten rid of GARBAGE:

Pape Sy, Benson, Rolle

He hung onto a solid player:

Ivan Johnson

IDK why Stackhouse is still on the team though. I’d cut him and sign DAN GADZURIC. Gadzuric is a rebounder and I remember him owning us on the glass when on Milwaukee.

Cut Stackhouse, fire one of our scrub assistants, and let him be an assistant under LD

YO YO YO

December 23rd, 2011
2:58 pm

Why are people shocked that a late 2nd round pick didn’t around? lol… How many of them actually turn out to be anything in the NBA? Smarten up folks.

YO YO YO

December 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm

*didn’t stick around

RaJaH

December 23rd, 2011
2:59 pm

Hawks gave up on developing a young prospect for…. Stackhouse?!?

Grandmaster JeJe

December 23rd, 2011
3:00 pm

To answer, jmillion from the previous blog:

To win a ring, you MUST MUST MUST MUST MUST have an a-hole – someone who gets TECHNICAL FOULS, who commits hard fouls, who talks trash, and is outspoken.

That is something we DO NOT have. The closest thing we have is Smoove and he’s a bit too soft for that.

Players I am thinking of that fit the above criteria:
James Posey, DeShawn Stevenson, Metta World Peace, Rasheed Wallace, Andrew Bynum (maybe), Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett, Kendrick Perkins, Jason Terry

Remember when D.Wade hit a big shot in game 2 of the Finals and started show-boating and J.Terry was about to confront him? Who on our team would do that?

That’s an example of what Ivan Johnson would do. I just hope WHEN he plays, he will not be timid and defer to established stars like Joe and Al.

KevinM

December 23rd, 2011
3:00 pm

Help me make any sense of Gearon gab about make or break:

What is Gearon’s definition of giving this group one more run? Can that really be taken seriously?
My belief is that they would have to fall and fall hard before Gearon and his cronies would make any ‘household’ changes to this roster. They simply are too scared to make a decision, even though those that have been made have been a disaster.
Yes, he doesn’t want to rebuild, but when you hang on too long, which might be the case with Joe, you end up doing the same thing. You end up not getting any decent draft slots and you don’t bring in top talent with free agency.
It’s the culture that keeps guys from coming in here. Its how management handles the roster. When you overpay for min vet talent (see Marvin) and way overpay for a 5 time all-star (I don’t see Ray Allen getting that much jack!) and Ray is a 10-time all star!
Same scenario; Joe is a very good piece to complement a superstar. Now how do we get a superstar in here when we draft so poorly, and we limit our salary spending?
There’s only one way to go and that’s to build young, yet Sund didn’t even get a Cousins or Kanter deal done to help the talent on this team.

When we show this year we have to depend on Marvin, then we will have problems. I predict a 34-32 season splitting every back-2-back and having enough to get in the playoffs…..a few breaks gets us in the 4 slot.

YO YO YO

December 23rd, 2011
3:01 pm

“IDK why Stackhouse is still on the team though” – Jeje

Leadership/toughness. He’ll get in the faces of some of our best players and get them to focus. Doubt he gets much run once Kirk returns.

Hubie

December 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm

Matt P.
keith Benson should have been the starter at the 5 spot!!!!
Bad move by Hawks.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 23rd, 2011
3:02 pm

We have gotten rid of the TRASH (Sy, Benson, Rolle). I have said this for weeks. These guys were 3 of the worst ranked players on ESPN. It was unrealistic to expect Sy to play PG, but he is not good enough to be on a playoff roster right now.

We have a VERY SOLID bench, we FINALLY HAVE VETS ON THE ROSTER (wonder what our average age is now).

The next step in the process is: MARVIN ELEVATING HIS GAME, JOSH CUTTING BACK ON JUMPSHOTS BECAUSE TRUST ME HE WILL GO COLD, AND HORFORD ATTACKING THE DAMN HOOP INSTEAD OF JUST TAKING JUMPERS ALL DAY.

My Horford and Smoove expectations don’t seem likely, but we can only hope

zachdahater

December 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm

I DON’T THINK T-MAC LOOK BAD!! But T-MAC does need to lay off the BIG MACS!!!

I don’t know why everyone was saying he looked like he was in shape, he looks fluffy to me. He doesn’t have his legs on his jumpshots.

Besides that, I like his defense (even though Maggette lit us up LIKE HE DOES EVERY TIME HE STEPS INTO PHILIPS ARENA). I like his aggressive style, and that he’s not afraid to initiate his offense WHICH GETS HIM TO THE LINE.
I say right now he’s a slight upgrade over Marvin Williams. My critique of Marvin is that HE FALLS ON ALL HIS DRIVES LOOKING FOR FOUL CALLS, and he’s not aggressive enough. T-Mac plays a lot more confidently, has explosions drives, and post moves. BUT GET IN SHAPE FIRST, he has no legs, but to me he obviously is a veteran that has GREAT INSTINCTS!

SIGN IVAN JOHNSON!!! SIGN IVAN JOHNSON!! SIGN IVAN JOHNSON!! SIGN IVAN JOHNSON!!!!

HE’LL BE OUR BIG BABY DAVIS!!

WE’LL RIOT IF IVAN JOHNSON IS NOT SIGNED!!!!

Mike

December 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm

I am trying to figure out why in the H-E-L-L they want to keep Stack for? We need big bodies and you want to waive one of them. I can see why so many ppl is upset at ASG and Sund for.

STFU

December 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm

STOP WHINING AND BUY SOME TICKETS SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GO OVER THE LUXURY TAX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

December 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm

Herman Cain

December 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm

“he would to have to just lose his talent overnight for that to happen.” – KevinM

“thanks for clearing that up. Its not every day that you come across talent(12pts and 8.8career number), like that.

That’s very hard to replace.

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Grandmaster JeJe

December 23rd, 2011
3:03 pm

Yo Yo Yo –

“Leadership/toughness. He’ll get in the faces of some of our best players and get them to focus. Doubt he gets much run once Kirk returns.”

I agree. He has loved the Hawks for a while. 5 years ago when on Dallas he was complimentary of us. But the guy really cannot play anymore. Is he worth an active roster spot if God Forbid some of our 2s or 3s go down? We have a ton of 2s and 3s now, but we should keep Stack around in some capacity. He did not play well last night

Grandmaster JeJe

December 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm

Keith Benson is worse than Solomon Jones (who wasn’t that bad for us). No thanks.

The TRASH is gone

Now our starters need to STEP IT UP AND OVERACHIEVE FOR ONCE

GOOD JOB SUND. EVEN THOUGH OUR POOR OWNERS CAN’T AFFORD TO GO INTO THE LT (PATHETIC SINCE THEY HAVE THE NEW RESTAURANT), YOU ARE DOING WELL

KevinM

December 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm

“Herman Cain

December 23rd, 2011
2:56 pm
“he would to have to just lose his talent overnight for that to happen.” – KevinM

thanks for clearing that up. Its not every day that you come across talent(12pts and 8.8career number), like that.

That’s very hard to replace.

?”

Mr Cain, sir, I am speaking in the terms of how this org views All-Star Al, not my personal conviction.

If it was me, I wanted Mike Conley Jr. who to me had more potential than Al. Those all-star appearances mean very little to me…and just like Joe, there are better players out there to put on this team than Joe.

And talking all-stars, I like Josh as much as the league likes Bosh. Josh has to be a 4 though as he is a terrific defensive presence in the paint.

So yes, Mr. Cain, Al is going to have to flop for Sund to move him. When he nor Joe make the all-star team this year, does that reduce their inflated value seen by the ASG?

Grandmaster JeJe

December 23rd, 2011
3:05 pm

If we suffer 1 injury to Z or Collins we are screwed up front. We really need a big. GADZURIC

Big Dog

December 23rd, 2011
3:06 pm

Hey Herman Cain, you are misquoting the stats on Horford’s career numbers.If you disagree with his talent level that’s fair but respect him enough to put up the correct numbers. If you dont some one will be raising Cain…..

Al Horford 12.8 pts 9.6rbs