Atlanta Hawks: Hawks 92, Bobcats 75 (exhibition)
- In just five days the games will count for the Hawks. It’s hard to know what conclusions can be drawn from two exhibition games against one of the worst teams in the East. So I guess most of the following analysis comes with that disclaimer.
- Fans responded to Ivan Johnson’s energetic, physical play. So did his teammates. “I was impressed,” Al Horford said. “The thing I like the most about him is he’s aggressive. He goes out there and plays hard. He’s fearless. I think he would be a nice addition to our team.”
- I never would have thought so–Johnson is an undersized, over-aged prospect at a position where the Hawks have up to five guys as options. But Johnson has produced and made the most of his chance, earning a “very close look” from Drew.
- “When we had him in the minicamp the thing that intrigued me was how hard he played,” Drew said. “He is capable of making shots but he’s like a Mack truck in there at times. If you get in his way he will run you over. If there is a loose ball he doesn’t care who’s around him, he’s going after it. We need that on our team. He brings a presence when he’s on the floor, a physicality when he’s on the floor.”
- There were times when the Hawks looked like a bona fide, hard-nosed defensive team. “We really committed to it,” Horford said.
- Atlanta’s defense improved once Jannero Pargo replaced Donald Sloan at point guard. Pargo had more success keeping D.J. Augustin and Kemba Walker out of the lane.
- The Hawks look a lot different when Jeff Teague (ankle) is in the lineup to slow dribble penetration. Teague said he would be ready to go on Tuesday.
- Sloan (three assists, no turnovers) was steadier on offense than he was Monday. “I thought he did a good job stepping in for Jeff Teague in running the club,” Drew said.
- Brad Wanamaker played six ineffective minutes in the second quarter, turning the ball over three times, and then never saw the court again. Pape Sy wasn’t as aggressive as in the first game but played just 10 minutes.
- The Bobcats were able to finish at the rim but that was in spite of Josh Smith and Al Horford challenging everything at the basket (Walker is going to be a good one). Smith and Horford also led an energetic effort when the Hawks trapped.
- Zaza Pachulia was good on D, too. He stays in good position and challenges everything (if only he could jump higher those more of those would be blocked shots). He rebounds and gets to the line. Zaza quietly had a very good camp.
- Smith got what he wanted around the basket. I’m thinking the newly-slim frame and better health means we’ll see more of that this season. He’s so quick to the hole and even more explosive when he gets there.
- Joe Johnson had a bad shooting night (3 for 11) but it looked to me like he often was just working on his one-on-one moves. He had his hesitation game working and got to the line for six free-throw attempts. Joe also had five assists against two turnovers and a couple scrappy steals.
- Tracy McGrady looked a little livelier while getting to the free-throw line early. But Corey Maggette really took it to him at the other end and McGrady had to start fouling. McGrady also didn’t make a shot in three attempts and failed to record an assist in 14 minutes.
- It wasn’t a good camp for T-Mac. The Hawks have to hope he will dial it up when they need him.
- Vladimir Radmonovic (11 points on five shots) has shown a crafty show-and-go game from the 3-point line. He will drive to the basket and then look to pass or draw a foul. A couple of his four turnovers were a result of him zigging while his teammates zagged.
- “It’s going to take some time, especially with this short preseason,” Radmanovic said. “I have to learn some things on the run. I feel pretty comfortable with the system. It’s just a matter of figuring out some spots on the floor where I’m going to be open or make my teammates open.”
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SteveW
December 22nd, 2011
11:26 pm
Last I checked we were at 69.7m, with Sy, Benson, and Rolle’s contract, but before Pargo and Green. Vets will count between $800-900,000.00 towards the tax. on minimum contracts. Other guys between $400-500,000.00. But Sy and Rolle had 788,000.00 contracts, a little more than the Sloan, Ivan Johnson’s of the world. So you cut Sy and Rolle, you have a payroll with Pargo and Green at about 69.9 mill.
Room for 1 rookie besides Benson before the Luxury Tax, or right at it – would it be Sloan or Ivan? Or would ASG pocket the cash and not get anyone else? Or go into Luxury Tax for Stack? Interesting
SteveW
December 22nd, 2011
11:28 pm
Keep Ivan, Benson, waive Sy, Rolle, and Sloan. Wanamaker and Stack also.
SteveW
December 22nd, 2011
11:29 pm
I knew we would keep Johnson when LD used his pet term “physicality” to describe him..
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2011
11:30 pm
BOGANS.
HERE.
YESTERDAY.
Is T-Mac really your backup SG? Is Pape Sy? Come on let’s get some NBA players in here.
Buddy Grizzard
December 22nd, 2011
11:30 pm
PS I want my Ivan Johnson jersey.
SteveW
December 22nd, 2011
11:30 pm
Rev – I give VladRad a B+ – Better than I thought he was to this point
wut
December 22nd, 2011
11:34 pm
You said it yourself. Easy for some players to look good vs the worst in the East. And some guys are just trying to get back in the groove after such a short camp.
Section 303
December 22nd, 2011
11:37 pm
Was at the game tonight. Debuted our new seats, first row of Section 212. Seats are great!
I have to think Ivan Johnson made the team tonight. He was fun to watch. I also think he looks like a bada$$. The Hawks need someone like that.
Also, might have to take back what I said yesterday about Pargo. I actually thought he played well tonight. For someone who just joined the team, he jumped right in and took control. He handles the ball well and thinks pass first. He might be a good pickup, after all.
Johnson, Pargo, and whoever else makes the final roster are all going to have to play. The schedule is just brutal. All guys wearing a uniform have to contribute. So, Hawks can’t waste any spots.
Hate saying this….Stackhouse probably has to go. I am a big fan of his. Have always liked his game. But, unless he can bring back the ‘01 Jerry Stackhouse, he’s probably going back to his hoops show on XM Radio.
kwooden
December 22nd, 2011
11:37 pm
Rev I think Rad has played better than I remember. He’s aggressive on defense and has attacking the basket. (he shot as many free throws as JJ) He had several turnovers but they were just miss communication opposed to poor play. I give him a B- though, because he’s missed several open 3’s badly and he was brought here to make those shots. (2 of 6 doesn’t cut it, even though its a lot better than Joe’s 0 of 7!!)
Mike is Back
December 22nd, 2011
11:40 pm
Say what you want about Pargo…but for someone who just join team…Dude more than held his own. The thing I like is he didn’t force up a lot of bad shots…once he gets more comfortable running the offense…he will able to score too.
Neither Benson nor Rolle help their cause tonight…sometimes it just bad timing…Ivan Johnson was clearly superior to those two guys.
I know Rolle is playing with an injury…and Benson is just giving up too much weight…it just wasn’t their time.
I would like to see us send Benson and Rolle to Dleague…even if means cutting SY.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
December 22nd, 2011
11:41 pm
“The Bobcats were able to finish at the rim but that was in spite of Josh Smith and Al Horford challenging everything at the basket”
Same ole ish..seenitb4…….
Slimjr
December 22nd, 2011
11:46 pm
Whats wrong with Joe’s shot? He made em look easy in the scrimmage against his teammates now he can’t throw it in the Ocean? Somebody help this dude out…asap!
superiorblogman
December 22nd, 2011
11:46 pm
I think Rolle and Wanamaker get cut. I don’t see how we keep Stack.
Pape and Benson get a D League assignment.
13 on opening night
Jeff/Sloan/Pargo
Joe/Willie Green/
Marvin/T-Mac/Rad
Josh/Ivan
Horford/Zaza/Collins
Looking forward to next Tuesay more than XMAS
jake
December 22nd, 2011
11:47 pm
Buddy grizzard either you’r dumb or you’ve never watched bogans play much. he is garbage
Rev in Tampa
December 22nd, 2011
11:48 pm
Thanks to all for the feedback on Rad.
Section 303, are you going to change your blog-name to Section 212?
KevinM
December 22nd, 2011
11:48 pm
If Josh plays like this every night, and can swat a couple off the glass, I for one will be thankful to see the high flying Josh of old.
He deserves the recognition for his hard working offseason.
He and Johnson have stood out in my mind this preseason.
And VRad…not so bad. We still need offense out of the 2nd unit…way too many back-to-backs this time.
KevinM
December 22nd, 2011
11:49 pm
Anyone miss Bibby for the first time in preseason? Not me.
Ken Strickland
December 22nd, 2011
11:51 pm
BUDDY GRIZZARD-Give the Bogans campaign a rest. If you were paying attention, you’d know we just signed Willie Green, which eliminated any chance of us signing Bogans. Besides, common sense should tell you there’s no way the ASG would go into luxury tax territory for a one dimensional player like Bogans.
It looks like Teague will be ready to go Tuesday. Our roster will likely be:
PG-Teague/Pargo
SG-JJ/Green
SF-Marvin/TMac
PF-Josh/Radmanovic/Rolle
OC-Horford/Zaza/Collins
Rolle has more size and experience than Johnson, but I see Johnson making the inactive roster along with Sloan.
doc
December 22nd, 2011
11:54 pm
kevinm, i have not missed bibby since early 2009.
superiorblogman
December 22nd, 2011
11:55 pm
Just another way that the Hinrich trade hurt our team. It killed our youth movement.
Jeff, Marvin, Josh, Al, Jordan, and the 1st would have all been younger players.
Instead we cut Jordan and the 1st out of the equation for older players with no upside.
I am no so down on this team as I was a week ago because we have 11 players out of that 13 that have played vital roles on winning teams before. Some are past there primes but they don’t have to give us prime performances just good enough. Remains to be seen if they can do that I am willing to give it a chance. Still need a Center to take that next step, but we have some pieces to go after Kaman, Okafor, Dalembert, or Biedrins. I am okay with letting things play out and see if we can get one of those guys for a bargain trade.
Bronn
December 22nd, 2011
11:55 pm
I could use some reassurance-please tell me that JJ’s jumper looks smooth as silk in at practices! After struggling from three last year, the last thing I needed to see was him going 0-7 beyond the arc in the preaseason.
jdewayneatl
December 22nd, 2011
11:56 pm
When it all comes together, the bench will look nice. VladRad looked like he will fit in good and be productive playing with Zaza. TMac doesn’t seem into it. Hopefully he will turn it up when it matters. If we keep Ivan, he would bring energy and tenacity and would only have to play maybe 10 minutes. Willie Green can perform. Pargo can perform. And Kirk is in the waiting.
Jamal who? Instead of a 1-man bench, it could be a solid 5-6 man bench.
I really believe that once the bench gets to a comfort zone with one another, the Hawks will be a team that can get over that hump.
The Truth
December 22nd, 2011
11:57 pm
Simply put, without Ivan (the terrible) Johnson , the Hawks don’t win this game. He is a nice compliment to Josh Smith. This Guy is a keeper plus he’s cheap.
Sloan and Benson also have potential with more seasoning and they are also cheap. Since most of these additional players come with non guaranteed contracts, the Hawks should just keep the best and cut back before taxes time.
Buddy Grizzard
December 23rd, 2011
12:00 am
“Buddy grizzard either you’r dumb or you’ve never watched bogans play much. he is garbage.” – jake
82 game starter for the team with the best record in the NBA. Did you watch the Hawks-Bulls series? What did Joe Johnson do after Game 1? I understand the guy has limitations but wait until the Hawks play the Bulls and watch Rip try to D Joe Johnson. I just hope Bogans doesn’t end up on the Heat.
Ken Strickland
December 23rd, 2011
12:01 am
Looks like the Nets have already acquired a replacement for injured C BLopez. They just traded a 2nd rd pick and trade exception for Utah’s MOkur.
Maybe
December 23rd, 2011
12:01 am
Willie Green is a nice addition at the SG spot.
Looks like Sloan, Rolle, Wanamaker and Johnson will all get cut.
Nice roster. I’m feeling it. I still hope to see Sy get some minutes here and there during the season. I really like his slashing and defensive potential. He’s a good FT shooter as well.
Glad to hear Teague will be ok. Hopefully he wont loose his aggresiveness out of the gate.
PG- Teague/Hinrich/Pargo
SG- Johnson/Green/Sy
SF- Marvin/Tracy
PF- Josh/Vlad
C- Al/Zaza/Collins/Benson
ole riche
December 23rd, 2011
12:02 am
tonights game showed how vlad rad will be effective for the hawks. I think they should keep Johnson and Sy, send sloan and benson to the D league and cut the others. Pargo and willie green will be nice additions. Just gotta get teague healthy. The only thing is im not sure where stack fits into all this, if at all, but well see.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:07 am
Ivan Johnson – hell of a game. Dude is chiseled too – no homo.
Horford and Smoove were taking jumpshots all night, especially in the 3rd quarter.
JOSH SMITH: YOU ARE NOT A JUMPSHOOTER
JOSH SMITH: YOU ARE NOT A JUMPSHOOTER
JOSH SMITH: YOU ARE NOT A JUMPSHOOTER
JOSH SMITH: YOU ARE NOT A JUMPSHOOTER
JOSH SMITH: YOU ARE NOT A JUMPSHOOTER
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:10 am
-T-Mac and Stack were awful out there. Neither could finish at all
-Boris Diaw is very big and out of shape
-Kemba Walker will be a special player in this league
-Taylor Griffin was ineffective
-ZaZa’s post moves are still pretty bad
-Vlad played well. He and ZaZa appear to be solid friends. They were playing 1-on-1 in shootaround
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:13 am
Sloan looked a bit tentative and not wanting to make a mistake.
Once Teague returns and gets into the lane with ease, Radmanovic will be feasting on the 3 point line
MJ49
December 23rd, 2011
12:14 am
I wouldve liked to see Michael Pietrus
The Truth
December 23rd, 2011
12:15 am
I’m not sure what Stack vet min price tag would be vs. his likely production, probably too expensive for the ASG. With the addition of Tmac and Green, Stack is the odd man out.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:19 am
Pape Sy
Keith Benson
Magnum Rolle
These guys all stink. Why are they even here right now?
Sign Ivan Johnson.
Also, please sign Reggie Evans. Oh wait, we didn’t even offer him the VM
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:19 am
The Hawks rarely ever send anyone to the NBDL either.
ole riche
December 23rd, 2011
12:23 am
Benson is NOT there yet but if the hawks could develop him, he has potential to be a legitimate big. He needs to get some bulk on him. I dont think the Hawks have a real direction with Sy. Do the want him at the point, do they want him at the 2. Not really a point guard IMO and no room at the 2. Dleauge for him i would assume. Magnum Rolle is not very good. He only seems interested in shooting a mid range turn around and not on any defense.
Hawks Fan Down Under
December 23rd, 2011
12:27 am
Time will tell. Most commentators are tipping the Hawks to slide. so we’ll see.
Didnt see either game but Ivan sounds like a keeper. Can you imagine a hard worker coming in against the Heat or Bulls last season when the core were down 20+? Wouldn’t have won but at least he’d show up how lazy they were. Sign him up (and please sack LD at the earliest possible chance)!
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:28 am
I need quart of hateraid, I hate Josh. I do wish I was him. What, did he hit of for 23 pts tonight Fck I wish I was him.
doc
December 23rd, 2011
12:28 am
that is two young bigs now that we could have gone after for a second rounder?
send sy instead of ivan if it comes to that, please.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:29 am
I need quart of hater-aid, I hate Josh. I do wish I was him. What, did he hit of for 23 pts tonight Fck I wish I was him.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:31 am
Am I talking to my fcking self? this sh!t is getting old. I got to get a better life. Josh, I HATE YOU!
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:31 am
Let’s be honest:
Pape Sy, Benson, and Rolle are all weak basketball players. Cut 2 of them (Rolle for sure) or send them to NBDL and sign Ivan and Dan Gadzuric
SIGN GADZURIC
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:34 am
But more than that, Im gay.
hawks_4_life
December 23rd, 2011
12:34 am
LOL
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:34 am
*imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Thanks, imitator
The Truth
December 23rd, 2011
12:35 am
Sy seems to be our newest version of Mario West. Drew investment with him is becoming problematic since he doesn’t do any one thing well enough to justify his price tag. Maybe it’s time to cut bait.
Carrlos Lyles
December 23rd, 2011
12:38 am
ivan johnson has to be signed!!!
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:38 am
Sy sucks.
Sy Benson and Rolle are awful.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:39 am
How can I imitate myself? I never thought of that, but anyway I’m flattered. That I imitate myself, but I thought about it and Im not really gay. I just had a bad week with those guys.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:40 am
Trade Horford and Teague for Howard and a draft pick.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:41 am
Im flattered!
zachdahater
December 23rd, 2011
12:49 am
START IVAN JOHNSON!!!!!!
Start him at SF NOOOOOW!!!!
I’M CONVINCED!!!
NO MATTER WHAT, even if you have to let go of someone, SIGN IVAN JOHNSON!! I would START HIM if I was the coach personally, or at least put him in the rotation. He’s like BIG BABY DAVIS!!! WHAT A FIND!! He’s EXACTLY what the Hawks needed. SCREW the feeling out process!! I’ve seen MORE MORE MORE than enough!
I like our bench this year. I’m not too salty about losing Jamal, once our bench gets more comfortable the scoring will come. WE HAVE DEFENSE, EVERYONE can defend now. EVERYONE can rebound now! EVERYONE can score!!
Keep Benson or Rolle as a backup. They are both pathetic, but we need extra bodies.
Keep Sloan over Wannamaker as an insurance backup. Sloan CAN’T GET AROUND SCREENS AT ALL, but he’s pretty quick and makes good decisions.
STACKHOUSE HASN’T MADE ONE JUMPER!! He was on NBAtv last year, he’s borderline retired!! LET HIM GO, we have Green, Mcgrady, and SY to back up Joe.
I think McGrady looked good tonight, he needs his legs on his jumpshot though. I love Radmanovic! He’s quicker than I thought, has decent defense, and GOOD VETERAN INSTINCTS! We get 3 point specialist with NO GLARING WEAKNESSES OR LIABILITIES!
Guys, forget Keith Bogans. Willie Green is as good as him, or a slight upgrade. Sure Bogans looked good in the playoffs, HE TOUGH, but he is NOT the solution to any of our problems that can’t so solved by Green, Sy, or T-MAC.
WE ARE SET as far as I’m concerned at the 1-4 positions. Hopefully we can get the CENTER we’ve been needing FOREVER next season. I’m not worried about Joe, shots didn’t fall. But I will say that he needs his 3 point shot to GO DOWN if he’s thinking of scoring 21 ppg again. LOOK. 3pt% DOWN last season = 18 ppg. ONE more 3 pointer a game = 20 to 22 ppg.
Go……HAWKS!!
hawks_4_life
December 23rd, 2011
12:52 am
Michael Pietrus is available
Grandmaster JeJe
December 23rd, 2011
12:53 am
So am I.
zachdahater
December 23rd, 2011
1:03 am
LEAVE JOSH SMITH ALONE!! (Chris Croker voice). He needs to take SOME jumpshots! He MUST develop a mid-range game. It is essential, it is imperative, and you naysayers are impeding his development. Garnett takes mid-rangers, Gasol does, Lopez, etc. He’s back off taking a lot of jumpshots, but take he can still stick to in rhythm jumpshots.
That being said, I have no idea why his post jumpshot is so TERRIBLE! When he turns around and shoots that little 5 – 10 foot jumper, it’s so wild. Other than that, if he stays in the post, I wouldn’t be surprised if he LEAD THE TEAM IN SCORING
keepinitreal
December 23rd, 2011
1:19 am
Ivan Johnson could be a diamond in the rough. Legit NBA body and put up big numbers in the
NBDL last year. Sure, it’s not great competition, but give I’ll always give more of a benefit of the doubt to a guy who’s proven he can produce than someone who looks like a great athlete but has never translated it into success on the court.
Here’s hoping this guy wins a roster spot.
Carrlos Lyles
December 23rd, 2011
1:20 am
sy does suck. if josh would stop fading when he shoots then he will make more of them i think that he knows his release is sooo slow that he has to fade to get it off rather than use his HOPS to jump when he shoots.. maybe him and horford shouldn’t be shooting partners. bad habits rub off..lol
The hawks communication sucks, its more pointing than anything..
I dnt see stack making the team. what does he bring besides a price tag?
mcgrady is there for ticket sale purposes only. im convinced.
Joe will have a breakout year. im calling it now..
RealFan
December 23rd, 2011
1:51 am
Don’t get me wrong I like Sloan, but if it comes down to Sy or Sloan, give me Sy. Sloan is great, but it sounds like he is going to be playing behind Pargo and Teague, and once we get Hinrich back he will be a fourth PG. Also while he is efficient with the ball, he is a pretty terrible defender. With Sy he can be a SF, SG, or possibly PG if the injury plaque hits us there. Right now two PGs will do until we get Hinrich back into the lineup. Order of players I would like to keep (assuming Pargo and Green make roster): Ivan (intensity), Benson (potential), Sy (potential), Rolle (like to see him when he’s in shape and not hurt), Sloan (great ast/to ratio), Stackhouse (veteran advise and leadership), Wanamaker (great defense, liability on offense).
Ivan "Mr. Hustle" Johnson
December 23rd, 2011
2:18 am
Hey LD, You better find a way for me to make this squad at least to challenge these guys in practice, plus you got to be intrigued by my quick hands and when my sweet mid range J
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
3:03 am
I found an interview with Ivan Johnson. It’s a must see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNgvNzeFpB0&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL440B485EB712F4E7
Vino
December 23rd, 2011
3:11 am
Ivan Johnson D league stats
2010-11 Playoff Statistics
PPG 23.0
RPG 9.0
APG 3.0
EFF +25.00
Top 2 in points with 31 mins playing time
Katie
December 23rd, 2011
3:21 am
zachdahater
December 23rd, 2011
1:03 am
LEAVE JOSH SMITH ALONE!! (Chris Croker voice). He needs to take SOME jumpshots! He MUST develop a mid-range game. It is essential, it is imperative, and you naysayers are impeding his development. Garnett takes mid-rangers, Gasol does, Lopez, etc. He’s back off taking a lot of jumpshots, but take he can still stick to in rhythm jumpshots.
That being said, I have no idea why his post jumpshot is so TERRIBLE! When he turns around and shoots that little 5 – 10 foot jumper, it’s so wild. Other than that, if he stays in the post, I wouldn’t be surprised if he LEAD THE TEAM IN SCORING
co-sign
Also, give Kito a chance. Now that he has a proper dietitian and work-out routine fit for his role in the NBA he’ll bulk up in no time. I think he really shows a lot of promise and gives our bench much needed depth.
Keep Johnson, of course, and Sloan.
I’m 50/50 on Rolle, I think he played well the other night and through an injury.
Waive good-bye to Stack and Wannamaker, and honestly, Sy as well.
tyrnado
December 23rd, 2011
3:42 am
why didn’t we jump on dalembert!!?
kiss the hawks rears
December 23rd, 2011
3:48 am
Ho Ho Ho Merry christmas from u owners who will enjoy a 23-43 year here…of empty seats n no one will care i still want folks wear thrashers jersey if u feel ASG screwd us(which did) if not then you morons in atlanta did deserve lose another hockey team…Josh smith will hide all season McGrady be like the hospital never show up…and the owners will do the Three stooges look of what me worry!
kiss the hawks rears
December 23rd, 2011
3:58 am
Do u folks really think we need a True center and yet Orlando center wants out traded we sit on toilet flushin is why Hawks will be 23-43 this season The La clippers will win the there divison this year and Miami will make finals and lose to Dallas again n Mavs will have another NBA title just be .The clippers will play dallas for western conf Title and lose in seven games to dallas and Miami will kill off the boston in six games!
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
4:19 am
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Ivan-Johnson-5437/playerblog/
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
4:23 am
Having seen him play two exhibition games at low-NBA level, it seems that Ivan has improved on his worst area, as reported on draftexpress: D
He had 3 steals yesterday showing that middling NBA talent will have trouble putting the ball on the floor around him.
Obviously, he will be over-matched by superior talent and bigger players but this is the type of guy which we know will bring his A game every single day whenever he gets the call up for a 3 minute stint or for a 10 minute one.
If we cut this man, we will be doing an horrible mistake and showing the wrong type of the example to the locker-room:
instead of “hard work is rewarded with opportunities” it will state “hard work means nothing, only the pecking order stands”.
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
4:28 am
Not many guys can put 46 points on the board:
http://www.nba.com/dleague/games/boxscore.jsp?gameId=2021000167
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
4:41 am
More on Ivan “the Terrible” Johnson:
“Perhaps no former Duck is having a more impressive season than Ivan Johnson, the temperamental 6-foot-8 power forward who played a single season for Oregon (2005-06) before coach Ernie Kent did not renew his scholarship, citing the distraction caused by Johnson’s disciplinary issues, mostly related to anger management.
Johnson finished his collegiate career at Division II Cal State-San Bernardino in 2007 and then played for two NBA D-League teams before playing in South Korea. However, once again, anger-management issues got the best of him — Johnson was suspended, fined, and banned for life from the Korean Basketball League last April for making an obscene gesture at a referee.
It wasn’t a first offense, the Korean Times reported. “Taking action against Johnson was inevitable since he had a record of frequent misconducts in the past,” a KBL official told the Times.
In November, the Erie BayHawks, the D-League franchise in Erie, Penn., made Johnson the No. 15 pick in the league’s draft. Within the BayHawks’ first nine games, he had five technical fouls and an ejection. But Johnson’s talent is unquestioned; through Sunday, he was the BayHawks’ leading scorer, and the No. 6 scorer in D-League, averaging 19.9 points, 7.4 rebounds and 33 minutes per game.
In 27 games, Johnson has six double-doubles, with 46 points, a franchise record, against the Maine Red Claws in a game in which he was 17-of-22 from the field and 12-of-13 from the free-throw line. Johnson scored 29 and 39 recently in consecutive games against the Fort Wayne Mad Ants.
His play, if not his deportment, should have him on the NBA radar.”
Basically, with this kind of record, this sad sack franchise will certainly not sign him.
And it’s a shame. It’s about time that we had another enforcer down low.
This guy and Zaza plus a shot-blocker (to compensate the lack of height/reach by both) would make our second team work really well IMO.
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
4:43 am
Anger management problems and obscene gestures to the public!!!
PERFECT! EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED!!!! A talented thug!!!
SIGN IVAN!!! SIGN IVAN!!! SIGN IVAN!!! SIGN IVAN!!!
(this is the same guy that on the 16th of December scrimmage decked Teague with a solid (but legal) pick!!!
WE NEED IVAN!!!!
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
5:30 am
NBA boxscore is wrong: he had 3 steals last night, adding up to the 2 he had on Monday.
Buddy Grizzard
December 23rd, 2011
5:38 am
MC please save post from the blog monster.
KevinM
December 23rd, 2011
6:02 am
I am shocked that Sund even gave this guy a look with his checkerboard background. When has ANYONE on this team been cited for disciplinary issues and ‘waving’ to the crowd?
Besides the one Joe Johnson mulligan with his verbal feelings towards the fan base?
Buddy Grizzard
December 23rd, 2011
6:05 am
Vava with the excellent research. Don’t care if he’s got baggage… we need ballers not choir boys.
Buddy Grizzard
December 23rd, 2011
6:08 am
I found an interview with Ivan Johnson. It’s a must see: – vava
lol!
KevinM
December 23rd, 2011
6:10 am
Kudos to MC for his tireless blogging these last 2 weeks…..I’m trying to keep up with him…he is in mid-season form.
And Chuck Hayes looking for a team……a team with a TPE exception?
Toughen this backline up Sund! Any teams out there need a SF to bring you up to the cap minimum? We’ve got a #24 that needs a new home.
Just Joe
December 23rd, 2011
6:23 am
Rolle got the last five minutes of the game. Either he was a lock to make the team, or a lock to get cut. My guess is that he was set to make the team, but Ivan Johnson could have just taken his spot. No need for both players.
Benson and Sy both stick. Not Sloan or Wannamaker.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 23rd, 2011
7:15 am
Ivan the Great!
Sign me up! We need a crazy man on this team. They said the same things about the HOF er, Dennis Rodman and Ron Artest … more blah … MJ and Kobe won championship rings with both those guys.
Perhaps we can “Tebow” Ivan and march on Phillips Arena in protest – If Sund does not sign this player to help fight our battles. Put a “crazy clause” in his contract and let’s roll!
Ryan
December 23rd, 2011
7:32 am
This is Jeff Teague’s team if he wants it. Wanamaker looked good in that scrimmage but not against the bobcats
doc
December 23rd, 2011
7:46 am
vava … very imaginative.
doc
December 23rd, 2011
7:49 am
seems like ivan is just a few years too late as he would have been perfect for the blazers of old. i hope he has gotten over this stuff to help here, he has talent.
Just Joe
December 23rd, 2011
8:04 am
So, in the East, Ivan Johnson will be our counter-punch to Brandon Bass, Udonis Haslem, Glen Davis, Taj Gibson, Tyler Hansbrough, Drew Gooden, and (not sure who New York & Philly have in that role).
He appears to be active enough.
northcyde
December 23rd, 2011
8:09 am
Watch . . . Sund won’t sign Ivan ( because of payroll constraints ), sending the miniscule loyal fan base into a homicidal rage.
We’re not cutting Pargo or Green, because we do need some PGs ( even though neither are true PGs ). And the Hawks spent a lot of money buying out Sy, so they won’t just throw them by the wayside. Plus, if T-Mac is still sleepwalking, we do need either a defensive backup SG or SF, which Sy will serve as.
PG: Teague – Pargo – Green
G: J. Johnson – Hinrch – Sy
F: Marvin – McGrady
PF: Smith – Radmanovic
C: Horford – Zaza – Collins
That’s 13 folks. We don’t add a 14th, if it will send us into the Luxury Tax.
Not getting my hopes up for Ivan Johnson to be on the roster. So get ready to cuss out Gearon ( since you’re the face of the ownership group ) if Ivan doesn’t make this team.
LOL . . what a Christmas present that will be. Refuse to sign the one minimum contract guy that looked good in preseason.
Mike is Back
December 23rd, 2011
8:12 am
Ivan Johnson, is just the type of player we need…he’s a Reggie Evans type with offensive skills…it don’t get no better than that…if you are the cash strapped ASG.
We need his energy off the bench…I know it’s only the Bobcats…but I’m thinking the Hawks made have gotten a steal in Johnson.
Vava, great stuff on Johnson…WE NEED A GUY…that’s not afraid of physical play in the post…SUND pleeeeeeeease sign the ANIMAL.lol
STRETCH
December 23rd, 2011
8:48 am
hawks_4_life
Pietrus would be the guy i go and get. Need another guy that can knock down the 3. But i dont think it will happen, lets hope so!
Anyway, anyone know anything about the Willie Green guy???
Rod "straight outta Augusta" Johnson
December 23rd, 2011
8:53 am
Its time to cut the Benson, Sy, Stackhouse, and Wanamaker experiments. These guys are not cut out for the NBA and it shows. Stackhouse is done. If dude is looking for a check or we just need a veteran present, lets sign him as the teams water boy. He can motivate and inspire while passing out water and sweat towels. I would rather run with a roster minimum of 13. That means we would have more money to sign someone else with a little more upside. Just my opinion. Atlanta has to stop penny pinching. I totally agree with Owner Geron, if this does not work this year….it is time to blow the roster. We have to start over, but we need to be smart about it. Lets start over with Teague/Horford and build from there.
doc
December 23rd, 2011
9:00 am
probably rather have pietrus than t mac as he has a bit more going for him unless he has gone donw fast. he had to give the suns a reason to cut him so maybe he has deteriorated. i just think t mac is a joe smith type in his career and will provide nothing from what has been sen thus far. i wasnt enamored with the signing at the get go. it was only showing how far we are on players depth charts or how tough due to budget it was going to be to fill out a roster. main plus pick up thus far is vlad it seems as a player not an icon.
STRETCH
December 23rd, 2011
9:04 am
Mickael Pietrus, recently released by the Phoenix Suns, is leaning “heavily” towards signing with the Boston Celtics, according to a league source. Pietrus must first clear waivers — that won’t happen until 6 p.m. Saturday — but it’s highly unlikely that any team will want to pick up the $5.3 million he is owed this season. CSNNE.com
Well, so much for that!
hawks_4_life
December 23rd, 2011
9:09 am
Stretch,
Only thing I remember about Willie Green was that the year prior to going into the draft he was project as a top 5 pick. He ended up getting picked in the second round I believe to the Clippers but never quite busted into the line up. Looks like we are not only trying to move on from Crawford but getting ready for like without Captain Kirk also.
hawks_4_life
December 23rd, 2011
9:15 am
Sorry thinking of someone else, disregard
Big Dog
December 23rd, 2011
9:21 am
Maybe the effort from Johnson will rub off on Horford and he may start, at some point to play SOME DEFENSE!
Big Ray
December 23rd, 2011
9:27 am
Radmanovich has a quality that some people forget Zaza also has, and that goes unnoticed until you pay attention to the nuances of the game – he plays pretty smart. The difference between him and Zaza is shooting range and ball-handling ability. Vlad is better at both. He’s going to help the team whenever he’s in the game for just that reason – smart doesn’t require that you be healthy vs. injured or that you be in a good mood or bad. You can ALWAYS play smart.
Both guys are challenged in the athletic department, but I’ll take a guy who gets his own rebound (Zaza) and at least “gets in the way” on defense over a guy who can run end to end faster than anybody, but doesn’t make the effort. On the flip side of things, Vlad gets steals with his quick hands and long arms, and makes good passes (and shots) from the perimeter.
Both guys will help, and will probably play very well in games together. This could be better than imagined, though not a world-beater combination.
I say we sign Ivan Johnson. He’s like a cross between a poor man’s Brandon Bass and Anthony Mason or something. I’ll take it….
Wannamaker/Sloan – wouldn’t mind seeing Sloan stick with the team but he wouldn’t get any PT. Teague seems ok with his ankle, and Pargo can defend. Plus, Hinrich will return = no place for Sloan. Never was impressed with Wannamakaturnover.
Big Ray
December 23rd, 2011
9:29 am
Northcyde ,
You depress me greatly with your 8:09 post, but I know you’re only telling the truth, bro’.
Mike is Back
December 23rd, 2011
9:43 am
Doc, not to make excuses for Tmack…but it didn’t help Tmack cause for him to have to guard one of the Top scorer on the Bobcats Team…that was just a bad matchup.
I think we will see Tmack value at the end of games…when are trying to close teams out…I didn’t expect him to go all out in the preseason.
Traditionally, the Hawks have fell apart when things got tight at the end of games…Tmack will get some calls from the Refs…JJ never could…he has been in bigger games than JJ ever have…I think that was the biggest reason we signed Tmack…plus it was for the league minimum…I sure Tmack had a couple of other teams interested in his service.
I still think Tmack was a good pickup…now that we have signed two vets at PG and SG…LD will have more flexibility on when to play Tmack. Hopefully, we want see Tmack guarding the opposition’s top scorers in the regular season…THAT”S just asking too much of Tmack…at this point of his career.
BigTimeTECHFan
December 23rd, 2011
9:44 am
ATL fans love nasty Basketball
Ivan Johnson would be a star in ATL, even as role player.
When are final rosters set?
Huh
December 23rd, 2011
9:57 am
“he has been in bigger games than JJ ever have”
T-Mac has never even been to the 2nd round. This makes no sense
PEDRO EL GITANO
December 23rd, 2011
9:57 am
Ahi va mi lista:
PG:HINRICH-TEAGUE-SLOAN
SG:JOE JOHNSON-GREEN-PARGO
SF:MacGRADY-IVAN JOHNSON-WILLIAMS
PF:JOSH SMITH-RADMANOVIC
C:HORFORD-PACHULIA-COLLINS
Pido encarecidamente contrato para Ivan.Por otro lado no me importa lo que hagan con Benson y Rolle,no estan preparados y tampoco hay tiempo para enseñarles a ser agresivos y muscularlos.Sy me parece un talento fisico,pero creo que no es digno aun de jugar para nosotros.Lo de Stackhouse quedo en una bonita historia,me gusto verle vestido de corto nuevamente,pero se acabo.Creo que con esta plantilla solo Chicago y New York pueden competir en calidad,estoy expectante.Tambien creo que Radman nos va ayudar mucho,me ha sorprendido ver lo buen defensor que puede ser.Sera una temporada muy divertida,y estos chicos nos haran sentir orgullosos y entusiasmados.Ahora,vuelvo a insistir:si lo que queremos es ganar un campeonato jamas se podra hacer con los lastres de JJ y Marvin.De todas maneras es hora de disfrutar!!un abrazo!!!
Ken Strickland
December 23rd, 2011
10:03 am
If Ivan Johnson is signed, but not added to the active roster, will some of you go overboard bashing Sund and the ASG? Some of you carry on as if you just found out about the ASGs money issues and/or unwillingness to play a luxury tax. The injury to Nets center BLopez should help us get off to a good start. We could be 4-0 before we start that brutal 6gm stretch where we play the Heat and Bulls 4 of those gms.
I believe Sloan will be signed and added to the inactive roster, because he’s already had a dominant stint in the D-league and we need that extra PG in case of injury. Johnson has proven he’s NBA ready, so he won’t be sent to the D-League. I believe Benson will be send down. He doesn’t seem to be intimidated or overwhelmed at this level mentally, but physically is another matter.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
10:04 am
In the past year
We missed out on Pietrus
We missed out on Okur (2015 pick?)
We missed out on Malcolm Thomas
We missed out on Motiejunas
We missed out on Leuer
We’re missing out on Al Thornton
We’re missing out on the Finals. Period.
Horford+pick for Bogut and Leuer for the playoffs. My eye is solely on the playoffs. SOUL-ly. If its not in your heart dont do it. SMH at Al slobbing on Ivan Johnson’s knob. Seems like he wants Ivan to take his 5 spot.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
10:16 am
ATL fans love nasty Basketball
Andrew Bogut would be a star in ATL, even as role player.
What?
When is ASG going to get it done in the East?
beejayrufino
December 23rd, 2011
10:32 am
keep Ivan Johnson, Pape Sy, Jerry Stackhouse and Keith Benson
beejayrufino
December 23rd, 2011
10:37 am
I think we will become a better defensive team this season (Kirk, Teague, Pargo at the point) (Johnson Stackhouse and Green at the 2) a better defensive backcourt rather than Bibby and Crawford
Spyro
December 23rd, 2011
10:45 am
Dude, can you stop with the Leuer/Bogut schtick? You are in every thread only talking about that damn trade. I’ve got some bad news for you: Milwaukee wouldn’t make that trade. Ever. Bogut is possibly the best defensive player not named Dwight Howard. If they wouldn’t trade him for Horford straight up, then why would they add an okay-looking prospect on top of that for a middle of the draft pick?
wut
December 23rd, 2011
10:46 am
Alright let’s cut the crap, this should be you roster:
Teague – Pargo – Green
Johnson – Hinrich – Sy
Williams – McGrady – Johnson
Smith – Radmanovic
Horford – Pachulia – Collins
Cut the rest, send benson to the D-League and bring him back next year. 40 wins.
Huh
December 23rd, 2011
10:49 am
“Alright let’s cut the crap, this should be you roster:
Teague – Pargo – Green
Johnson – Hinrich – Sy
Williams – McGrady – Johnson
Smith – Radmanovic
Horford – Pachulia – Collins
Cut the rest, send benson to the D-League and bring him back next year. 40 wins.”
Amen. Benson and Rolle cannot play.
I’d almost send Sy to the NBDL too
wut
December 23rd, 2011
10:51 am
Huh,
Only reason I won’t send Sy down yet is because Hinrich is hurt. Otherwise, I agree.
Huh
December 23rd, 2011
10:56 am
“Dude, can you stop with the Leuer/Bogut schtick? You are in every thread only talking about that damn trade.”
LOL! What everyone here was been wondering
wut
December 23rd, 2011
10:58 am
Also, anyone hating on Radmanovic is out of their mind and needs to log off. Who else on this roster can hit a three?!
Healthy Teague means the defense will improve, and even more when Kirk returns. The biggest thing is Drew has to find the right mix of starters and reserves to make sure the 2nd unit isn’t exposed.
Huh
December 23rd, 2011
11:00 am
Teague will get in the lane and set up Radman for the 3
Rufus1
December 23rd, 2011
11:01 am
@MC
How much would we have to pay Ivan?
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
11:07 am
“I’ve got some bad news for you: Milwaukee wouldn’t make that trade. Ever. Bogut is possibly the best defensive player not named Dwight Howard. If they wouldn’t trade him for Horford straight up, then why would they add an okay-looking prospect on top of that for a middle of the draft pick?”
But..But..I thought Horford was an All Star. I thought he was the top 3 offensive center in the game.
I thought Bogut was injury prone.
Leuer is an Okay-looking prospect. Lmao. A week or 2 ago, Marvin and his 7′4 wingspan was better than Leuer.
SMDH
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
11:10 am
This franchise does not deserve a championship. Period.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
11:14 am
Oh and if Horford and a pick can’t net you Bogut and Leuer, the #40 pick… 2 players from a team who will probably not even make the playoffs. Why in the f*#k are people still talking about Dwight for Horford?
It doesn’t make sense.
zachdahater
December 23rd, 2011
11:15 am
START IVAN JOHNSON at SF!!!!
If we do not sign IVAN JOHNSON I will lose all faith in the possible hint of intelligence I thought I sensed in the Hawks organization when they signed Jamal. If he’s not signed because of money issues, I will KIDNAP 3 signed players and throw them off of a cliff and ask, “Is there enough cap room now??” If not, I have no problem sacrificing Marvin Williams next so IVAN JOHNSON can take his spot at SF!
GO HAWKS!!!
GO IVAN JOHNSON!!
Ken Strickland
December 23rd, 2011
11:19 am
SMITH.LEUER.BOGUT-If, as you say, your eye is soley on the playoffs, SOUL-LY, then Al Horford should be the APPLE OF YOUR EYE, since our recent 4yr playoff run started immediately after he joined the team. Remember, FOREST FOR THE TREES. And by the way, if Bogat is everything you say he is, then why haven’t the Bucks done as well with him at center as the Hawks have done with Horford at center? Apparently all of his nastiness, shotblocking, and star quality hasn’t done much for the Bucks.
While he’s definitely a quality center, he apparently hasn’t been able to compliment the players around him, or make them or his team that much better. I remember how well they did, and how competitive they were without him in that tight 7gm playoff series against us. Something called COMMON SENSE and LOGIC should tell you that if he’s as much of an improvement over Horford as you seem to think, why would you be dumb enough to think that the Bucks would be dumb enough to trade more for less? STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!
Huh
December 23rd, 2011
11:19 am
Pape Sy was cut! Wow
wut
December 23rd, 2011
11:21 am
#Hawks waive Magnum Rolle, Pape Sy and Brad Wanamaker. Roster now at 16
Cunningham just tweeted it.
KevinM
December 23rd, 2011
11:21 am
Hoopshype has their predictions out and their columnists show no faith in the Hawks….not ranked higher than 5th by anyone.
http://hoopshype.com/predictions_2012.htm
They for some reason have bought into the Knick hype If that happens, D’Antoni should be COY. I just don’t think they have enough in the backcourt.
Ready to hear what our final roster will be this year. I don’t expect going deeper than 13 despite the limited time Pargo and Green have spent here.
Huh
December 23rd, 2011
11:23 am
NYK has no backcourt
wut
December 23rd, 2011
11:23 am
You gotta think Sy was on thin ice when they signed Green and Pargo, though.
wut
December 23rd, 2011
11:24 am
If Stackhouse makes the team, it will be because of his leadership/toughen up our “captains” and they believe Hinrich will be back soon.
Slimjr
December 23rd, 2011
11:26 am
“Pape Sy was cut! Wow”
No surprise..
Dude is a guard with no jumpshot= pickup game talent….
I MUS WRITE
December 23rd, 2011
11:28 am
Wow – we are the oldest team in the league. i guess its time to stop with the “these guys are young ” talk. Dalembert and Aaron brooks would have helped alot. There are better options than grandpa stackhouse -Its ruff being a fan of this team…..heres to another second round exit CHEERS!!!!!
I MUS WRITE
December 23rd, 2011
11:30 am
WTF did we cut Pape Sy. We cut this guy who has talent and keep that dufus Marvin.
Spyro
December 23rd, 2011
11:33 am
Smith.Leuer.Bogut, you are assuming that I am most people that comment on here. I assure that I am not.
The Truth
December 23rd, 2011
11:34 am
If the Hawks don’t sign Ivan (the terror) Johnson it will kill both the spirit of the fanbase and the team. For those that watched the game and as MC previously mentioned, the team rallied around him after the game to support his effect. The hatred vendom would only increase in Hawksville and possibly in the locker room if this guy is not signed.
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
11:43 am
Ken Strickland over the last 2 years you have had your foot in your mouth so often that there are shoe strings between your teeth.
SMITH.LEUER.BOGUT- is right on point as usual. He has the courage to post what is real and not bow down to the “Horford fan club” that this blog page is.
SLB is right on point and Horford is among the worst defending centers period. We are never, going to win a championship with horford our center. And before you use this as an opportunity to go at Josh, This aint about Josh. This is about Horford’s nonchalant defense. He is a very non aggressive defender who prefers to observe than to defend.
I can guarantee that as long as Al is the center or the Power Forward we will never get out of the second round. This aint a personal attack on Al. Its my opinion base on observing his play. Nothing personal Al ( is sick that I even have to qualify this) I just think your defense sucks and your attitude about it makes that even worse.
PERIOD.
zachdahater
December 23rd, 2011
11:45 am
Wow, I would’ve kept Pape Sy definitely. Hopefully that means they are signing IVAN JOHNSON instead!!!!!!!!!!
But yeah, I can’t remember one jumpshot Pape Sy successfully completed. Or STACKHOUSE. Shoot, I could’ve made at least one of those open jumpers. I say WELCOME TO NBAtv STACK! Have fun with C-Webb
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
11:48 am
Cut Pape, Stack and Tmac.
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
11:50 am
Clyde must be ecstatic: Dallas signed Sean Williams yesterday to a 1 year deal.
doc
December 23rd, 2011
11:50 am
no surprises there, now it is between ivan, stack, benson and sloan. 1 of 4 or 3 of 4 to go?
pape sy is the start of two drafts that will prove nothing of value from these guys evals. maybe ebnson will come through
anybody else out there to really help this team?
I MUS WRITE
December 23rd, 2011
11:57 am
Tmac and Stackhouse are old and washed up.I would rather have peitrus backing ue the 2/3 with Radmo backing up 3/4.
C’mon folks it was one dam game -Ivan johnson looks like he could help but peolpe on this board hype guys to no limit then the player is just mediocre and the fan base turns on him….Se S.Stoudamire,powell,AC Law etc …..
Astro Joe
December 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm
Because of the compacted schedule, teams can carry as many as 16 this season. It seems unlikely to me that Stack and Willie both stay, I’m guessing that Stack leaves as soon as Green gets in some work and all are comfortable that he is healthy, able to learn the system and will be good to go.
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
12:01 pm
Sy is a later bloomer, who can still bloom, but we don’t have time for this type of thing. We need solid contributors.
He is clearly a physically gifted guy but he is too raw: a full year back with Gravellines and a new chance next year is what I would do for him.
I like Benson: his instincts are right in my opinion, even on the plays were Ely scored over him yesterday, his defensive stance was correct: he simply did not have the bulk to keep Ely 1 foot further away from the basket.
His putback on the offensive rebound is something that he repeatedly shows (scrimmage and the two games against CHA). That is good stuff: timing & location for the offensive boards and his blocking skills can/should be developed: keep him.
Ivan is, IMO, essential: I would use him as a power SF on the second line up but not at the same time as V-Rad and Zaza: we need to put a shotblocker in that mix, so I would look to manage Smoove’s minutes to help Ivan and Zaza when they would be doing their thing together.
Astro Joe
December 23rd, 2011
12:02 pm
I.MUS, according to some bloggers a few years ago, Garrett Siler would have been an Alll-Star by now.
ntrigue
December 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm
They will bring Sy back if stack struggles….t-mac should primarily back up Joe and I would have Ivan as Marvin’s and josh back up.
tyger
December 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm
2012 Roster/ Depth Chart Forecast:
Sloan Pargo Teague
JJohnson Green Hinrich (IR) Sy
Williams McGrady IJohnson
Smith Radmanovic Benson
Horford Pachulia Collins
Hawks creep over luxury cap initially, but find relief later.
Sund sticks w 2nd rd picks Benson, Sy but off to Dleague.
Pargo, Green upgrade depth, give boot to Stackhouse.
Ivan “Bad Boy” Johnson “takes” a job from you MF!
Wouldn’t be surprised if Hawks don’t make trade soon.
jhan
December 23rd, 2011
12:06 pm
Smith.Leuer.Bogut – nobody on your list would make the Hawks NBA champs. What’s with the man crush on Bogut? He’s a nice player but he’s hurt half the time.
STRETCH
December 23rd, 2011
12:07 pm
I still trying to grasp why is this team stocking up on guards? Steve Smith and C Webb just said on NBA.TV that they cant understand why this team doesnt go out at get some front line help to go with Josh and Al?
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:07 pm
Ivan only costs $473,000.00 to keep – way cheaper than Rolle and Sy at $788,000.00 each. Good cuts. I had speculated that earlier that was an option.
So we just went from 69.7m approx. in salaries to about 68.1m. Assuming we keep Pargo and Green, we’ll be bac at 69.8 m. Yep, just enough room to sign Ivan if we want, and stay under the Luxury Tax of 70.3 m.
That’s assuming we keep Benson also.
If we cut Benson 473,000 and Ivan, we have enough to sign Stack. I wonder if we’ll do this.
If we cut Benson, we could sign Sloan and Ivan, but not Stackhouse.
Maybe we cut Pargo, that would put salaries at about 69m. Sign Stack and Johnson – Yep that fits. And if we cut Benson, you could keep Sloan also – they have equal salaries basically.
Mike is Back
December 23rd, 2011
12:08 pm
I was kind of surprised Sy got cut, but with the addition of Pargo and Green…neither of those guys really has a chance.
I like Sloan, he just needs time to develop…I can see the Hawks sending Sloan and Benson to the DLeague.
northcyde
December 23rd, 2011
12:09 pm
Unofficial numbers cruching:
** Hawks payroll with 10 players + Rolle and Sy ( which makes it 12 ): 69.9 million
** Subtract Sy and Rolle, and you have 68.325 million ( 10 PLAYERS )
** The question is: how much does adding Pargo and Green cost?
** Then you also talk about adding Ivan Johnson?
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the main issue with the Luxury Tax is being over the tax when the season is OVER, not staying under the tax all year, right? If that is the case, does this mean that the Hawks can sign as many vet minimum guys as they need, as long as the money they paid out isn’t over the luxury tax threshhold?
I’m not quite sure how this works.
I figure that someone on this team is getting cut as soon as Hinrich comes back, so maybe that’s the plan of Sund/ASG. To sign the necessary pieces, then cut people as need be.
Hmmmm
December 23rd, 2011
12:09 pm
C’mon people, it’s obvious that TRUTH B. KNOWN and this SMITH LEUER BOGUT clown are the same person. Dude is just congratulating himself. LMFAO
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:10 pm
Tyger – Sy was cut – gone, waived, goodbye, outta here etc.
Astro Joe
December 23rd, 2011
12:11 pm
Guys, come on now. You can’t really expect an NBA head coach to play more than 10 guys in a competitive game. Maybe 11, but bottom line, I wouldn’t count on Ivan getting meaningful minutes. Players 11-n are there for blowout situations, practices and injuries. With 96 minutes at the forwad slot, I find it hard to see where Ivan carves out time over guys like Josh, Marvin, Al, Joe, TMac and Vlad.
zachdahater
December 23rd, 2011
12:11 pm
START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!!
START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!! START IVAN JOHNSON!!
tyger
December 23rd, 2011
12:11 pm
Wow! Hawks cut Rolle, Sy, Wannamaker…
I thought they would stick with Sy…bought him out of Euro deal, young, athletic but raw. Good move by ASG on the public relations front. Show you mean business, open up the purse and eat a buyout. Not bad.
Let’s see if they carry 16? I doubt it, but since they’re living large, who can figure these wild and crazy guys…
jamillion
December 23rd, 2011
12:11 pm
To all my fellow bloggers, be it JeJe, Grand dad, Superior blog man whoever.
First question what makes a championship team?
In my opinion it’s coaching,defense,rebounding,and having a good option doesn’t hurt.
I know we can defend and rebound,the problem is gonna be the coaching in those tight game areas when the margin of defeat or victory is one ,or two buckets down the stretch.
The whole center thing is over blown so please get over it there is only one one top flight center in this league and that’s DH.There is no one you are gonna get that is better,can rival him,out defend,out muscle,or even close.The days of Hakeem,Patrick,David Robinson,Mutumbo,Shaq,Sabonis,Brad Daughtery,Mark Eaton,Moses,Parrish,Laimbeer,Manute Bol,Rik Smits these were all good serviceable big mean is over. So please let’s stop with all the Okafur, Kaman,Bienidris or any other alsorans ,Chandler would a been a nice pick up but we have a DH stopper and the rest of these centers are ineffective offensively.In other words if you are not gonna make a play for the best why make a play at all? It’s just change for the sake of change which is never good {look at the bibby trade,true bibby was under performing and a handicap but we had his replacement on the roster and gave away a good player and draft pick for the sake of change when all we had to do was play the guys we had. that falls back on the coaching and management}
I’m not a fan of a big name players like you guys,i’ll rather have a performer someone with heart who will compete and leave it out there. Josh plays like that when his heads in the game,i see glimpse of it in Teague and the Ivan guy is a keeper dude a stud we need to retain his services.
I know the NBA it’s a star driven league more than anything else,which is wrong to my eyes but that’s how it’s always been. But I honestly when you look at rosters and what each player can bring to the table how many rosters can you say are actually better top to bottom? Not two many maybe four or five that’s tops{Mia,Dallas,Clips,Ok maybe,everyone else has those one or two stars and a bunch of trash} especially we keep Ivan he brings toughness defense and can score.Ny great starting frontcourt,backcourt atrocious with no depth,Lakers no pg, no bench,no sf, Boston old with no depth now,look ZaZa,Rad,Ivan,Pargo, and a healthy Kirk is a very solid good bench player eff what you heard and if Tmac can give us anything along with willie green and Twin we good.
If marvin can play which he’s been doing since his surgery he even has posture now we can make noise with adequate coaching the majority of you guys just post to post
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:12 pm
Northcyde – That is correct about Luxury Tax. It’s calculated after the season. But the real date is Feb. 10th. That’s when contracts like Pargo and Green become fully guaranteed. That’s why we waived Damien last season, then signed him to a couple of 10 day contracts.
northcyde
December 23rd, 2011
12:12 pm
Glad to see SteveW thinking the same thing ( even if we used slightly different payroll numbers . . . I got mine from hoopshype.com )
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:12 pm
Green and Pargo will cost us $854,000.00 each
wut
December 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm
I’d rather keep Ivan over Stack and cut Benson if that’s the case.
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm
Trade Al Horford for DeAndre Jordan
Then you have:
Hinrich/Teague
JJ/IJ
IJ/MW
Josh/Radmanovic
DeAndre Jordan/ Zaza
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:13 pm
Northcyde – Got mine from Lagree at Hoopinion.
And Lagree liked Sy better than Green or Pargo I might add…
kwooden
December 23rd, 2011
12:14 pm
I’m disappointed but not surprised that they waived Pape. Rolle and Wannamaker were pretty obvious cuts because their counterparts out-performed them. Looks like Sloan and Stack are gone also, so it comes down to Ivan vs Benson. We need the length of Benson, but clearly Ivan out played him. I would go with Ivan, just because LD might play him. Go HAWKS!!
Just Joe
December 23rd, 2011
12:15 pm
northcyde…my understanding is that its salaries paid out at the end of the year. so Pargo, who is on a non-guaranteed deal, could still get cut before February, and the Hawks wouldn’t be on the hook for the second half of his contract. not sure if Green’s deal is fully guaranteed or not.
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm
Vets like Stack, Pargo, and Green cost approx. $854,000.00
Ivan Johnson, Sloan, Benson types cost around $473,000.00
Just Joe
December 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm
Sy could always be re-signed to a 10-day contract, and get similar treatment to what Damien got last year.
Astro Joe
December 23rd, 2011
12:16 pm
And one more thing, Ivan was playing against a lottery-bound team, during a preseason game and against that team’s “audition” players. Take a deep breath before penciling him into the starting line-up for a top 4-5 Eastern Conference club.
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:18 pm
Benson may have some guaranteed money, so I’m sure that will factor in. But we blew $125,000.00 on the Pape Sy experiment, so we may be willing to spend a little (key word “little”) this season.
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
12:19 pm
Astro,
“I find it hard to see where Ivan carves out time over guys like Josh, Marvin, Al, Joe, TMac and Vlad.”
1. With the condensed schedule, all teams will need to deploy more players.
2. Match ups – V-Rad is soft a mistake prone: sometimes you need an enforcer to keep people motivated.
Ivan Johnson is not the second coming of Bass, or Anthony Mason, but he is a tough guy WITH SOME SKILL, which means that every now and then you can bring his body into the game and you can trust him not to dribble the rock on his foot or to shy away from a physical guy like Taj Gibson.
Ivan’s physical characteristics (size, wingspan, jumping ability) make him a fringe NBA player, however, there are situation in which this type of player is essential.
MC said on twitter that the chances that Ivan stays are “slim, since it is not a position of need”.
That’s a load of bull: it’s not the issue of him being a PF and that position is covered, its the fact that we are not 100% covered in one of the most important positions of need: “BASS ASS ENFORCER DOWN LOW”.
The only aggressive guy we have is Zaza and keeping this guy would not hurt us at all. Heck, he even decked Teague with a (legal) pick during the scrimmage.
That’s the type of guy that will keep our guys properly focused on how to feel and behave on the court.
This guy was banned from the Korean BB League!!! That’s the type of guy we desperately need, that is our most weak “position of need”.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
12:21 pm
@Hummmmer
Somebody check the IP addresses.
People are complaining about a real center. Spyro says Bucks would never give us one and Leuer for Horford + pick.
Strickland comes in here talking about forests and trees and bragging that Kurt Thomas and Gadzuric took Horford to 7 games, smdh at bringing THAT up. Who was it that said Kurt Thomas punked Horford?
Horford has stopped improving, period. Not a dominant big man. Not a dominant scorer.
If I or Spyro have to choose role players Im going for 1) Leuer starting at the SF who defends 4s 2) Marvin on the bench and 3) Bogut and Smith at the center and PF who defends 3s. PERIOD.
Smith is more of a center protecting our rim than Horford. Its a flipping joke.
@Michael Cunningham What these fans on here need is an interview with Drew asking how he plans the spacing of the big lineups.
Say, who takes Marvin Williams spot on the offense for spacing. Smith or Horford or Jason Collins
Laugh your @ss off indeed. I’ve seen championship teams, this 4 year make the playoffs and bust in the 2nd round experiment is not a contender. Dallas 2011, Smith + Bogut, Garnett + Perkins, hang their hat on defense and easy rebounding.
What do these Hawks hang their hat on? Making the Coach’s all Star bench?
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm
If you deduct Benson, we’re at about 68.1 m. Out of that, you can keep some combination of:
Pargo – $854,000.00
Green – $854,000.00
Stackhouse – $854,000.00
Ivan Johnson – $473,000.00
Sloan – $473,000.00
Benson – $473,000.00
You’ve got 2.2 million to spend before the Luxury Tax.
Have at it guys.
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm
Oops 67.6 million – about 2.7 mill. to spend on those 6 guys. Sorry for the typo.
Bruce
December 23rd, 2011
12:25 pm
Great draft picks the past two yrs Hawks. One down & the other won’t make the team either. Why bother drafting these 2nd round guys, hyping them up to the media (this pick has so much upside) and then leaving them on the bench or cutting them. And once again, no 1st round pick this yr. Can you say “take another step down in the playoff seedings or even no playoffs”. In my opionion, the ASG deserves everything they get because of what the did with the Thrashers.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
Hinrich/Teague
JJ/IJ
IJ/MW
Josh/Radmanovic
DeAndre Jordan/ Zaza
What? Isn’t IJ, Ivan Johnson, a PF? And Deandre Jordan for Horford is not going down. Lol that would be a head scratcher.
I can picture Al right now. “My obvious position is the 4 and I think Blake is Okay with the 3. We need help.” lol.
No, you trade Horford for a center and ideally another player who can be a perimeter decoy like Jamal yet defend the 4 position. Smith at the 3 defensively and with the Perimeter 4 he can operate inside offensively.
Bucks can rebuild with Horford and a pick.
wut
December 23rd, 2011
12:26 pm
I’ll take Pargo, Green and Johnson then.
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:27 pm
So we can basically keep all three vets, and that’s it.
Or all 3 rookies and a vet
Or 2 vets and 2 rookies
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
12:28 pm
SteveW,
Then:
Pargo & Green (1.71) + Ivan & Benson (946) = under 2.7 million
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
12:28 pm
jamillion That was a very long winded dissertation, but no matter how long its still wrong,(unintended assonance).
Al’s pedestrian 12pts 8.8 career numbers and his nonchalant defense is easily replaced and upgraded with out having to get Dwight Howard, (although id love to have him.).
Slimjr has been recommending DeAndre Jordan as a clear upgrade and a true and most of all “WILLING,” center to take the hawks past the second round. This guy is a beast with leaps off the planet. He loves defense and is affordable. Hed be a great fit for the hawks. Of course hes not the only center that can upgrade Horford and is affordable, hes just the one that Slimjr and Blue Steel is recommending and now Im on the same band wagon.
Check this clip and tell me who is the first person he dunks over in the clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p51gvnVSFKc
vava74
December 23rd, 2011
12:30 pm
Why TF are you talking about DeAndre?
He re-signed with the Clippers, is Griffin’s closest friend. That guy will never be traded for anything less than Dwight.
Mike is Back
December 23rd, 2011
12:31 pm
SteveW, thanks for breakdown on the numbers…yeah it seems as though the Hawks are planning something for February.
With the Vets we’ve added…if I had to choose between Ivan and Stack…I would go with Ivan…that’s assuming we keep Benson.
Ivan the Terrible…will find his way on someone roster…if we end up cutting him.
Hmmmm
December 23rd, 2011
12:32 pm
Smith.Leuer.Bogut is an idiot or Horford got with his woman or both.
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
12:33 pm
Smith.Leuer.Bogut That’s true about Ivan the terrible but at 6′8″ the man can play a little 2,3 and4. He can flat out shoot from either of the positions.
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:34 pm
If we are at 16, I would guess we would keep 2 vets and maybe 2 rookies, unless Sund wanted some wiggle room in the cap for later.
I would keep Green and Pargo as my 2 vets
And Johnson and Benson as the two rookies.
That means i would let Sloan and Stack go.
Hmmmm
December 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm
Dont mind me trolling, id did not want to use my regular ID to throw hate at Smith.Leuer.Bogut
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:35 pm
Vava74 – That is correct
Huh
December 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm
DeAndre for Horford would be an awful trade for LAC. Why would you trade a defensive true center for a 6″9 pf?
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm
Benson on an ideal bench should make the team. But not if they want him to start and hype the lanky kid as the compliment to Al’s lack of size.
Hinrich – 12mpg
Al Thornton* -12mpg
MW – 12mpg
Benson – 12mpg
Zaza -18mpg
*is it too late to waive Tracy “Big Mac” McGrady?
If you limit the bench’s minutes you’ll get more energy and production and maximize their limited skills.
Heck I could see T-Mac at the backup PG and 12mpg.
guard: McGrady: 12mpg= 4 ppg
wing: Al Thornton*: 12mpg= 4.5 ppg
wing: MW: 12mpg= 4.5 ppg
PF: Benson: 12mpg= 4.5 ppg
C: Zaza: 18mpg= 6 ppg
78 minutes and 23.5 bench points. What did we have last year?
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm
But you know, we may stay at 16 until Hinrich comes back, then cut Green and Pargo before Feb. 10th, and still be under the Luxury Tax at the end of the year.
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
12:37 pm
Vava We are offering ALL STAR AL
who can resist?
LMAO!
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
12:39 pm
check that we are offering ALLNBA-ALLSTAR ALL, surely the Clippers cant resist!
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:42 pm
But cutting Sy, we only have 1 real wing sub, that can play the 2/3, and that would be TMac. I would say that works in Stackhouse’s favor in keeping him.
That’s the Hawks business. I would still keep Green, Pargo or Sloan, Benson and I Johnson.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
12:42 pm
@Truth B. Known was it here that I said Horford had peaked? Or was it realgm where they fought me tooth and nail. Smh.
wordsmithtom
December 23rd, 2011
12:42 pm
Keep Ivan Johnson even if it means building a cage next to the bench. Let him out for a couple minutes a game…..
If nothing else, he’ll make sure Hawk bigs tighten their jocks during practice.
SteveW
December 23rd, 2011
12:44 pm
TMac’s contract is guaranteed, which means we would owe him his salary if waived.
Not the Hawks normal way of doing things. But we did just waste the $125,000.00 on Sy, so you never know.
And wasn’t Sy LD’s project? I wonder if Sy’s waiving bodes ill for Larry Drew?
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
12:46 pm
I thought All NBA All Star 6′10″ 1/2 (well add the 1/2 inch to make the trade look good) was the best center not named Howard?
DeAndre Jordan is neither. and was drafted way down at # 35 in 2008.
So surely the Clippers can see the value of having a # 3 draft pick with the All NBA / All STAR Al Hoford pedigree as an upgrade….
Right?
ROFLMA!
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm
Smith.Leuer.Bogut Ive been saying that for 2 years and they tried to crucify me.
jamillion
December 23rd, 2011
12:51 pm
so truth be known are you telling me kaman and dalbert are better players than al?
if we going on position of need or best player?
cause if we going on position you no worse than asg when they could of gotten the position player and best plaer in paul or dwill but settled on marvin cause of potential.
NO ONE IN THIS LEAGUE IS GONNA TELL YOU SAMUEL DALBERT ,OKAFUR,OR KAMAN IS BETTER THAN SOON TO BE THREE TIME ALLSTAR AL
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
12:52 pm
Smith.Leuer.Bogut I tell you that so you will understand that they will crucify you too for having the balls to say Al has about peaked and is not the center (or power forward, is he better than Josh?)we need to go higher.
Im not surprised at all the hate coming your way. This blog site is AKA “Al Horford’s fan club” so watch what you say.
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
1:00 pm
jamillion Im not sure I get the full explanation of your last post, but this much I got and agree with you, Kaman and Dalbert are not much if any of an up grade on Al. Okafur, is but not by much. Not worth making the swap.
As for your player choices theories and strategies. I’m not tracking you. You might want to brake that down a little more.
Just a question…If ALL NBA ALL STAR AL is ALL that, shouldn’t the clippers be willing to part with DeAndre Jordan, who is neither an All nba or all star?
In fact shouldn’t we be able to get a real franchise type player for this super star super man Al with the 12pts 8.8 career numbers?
I’m just saying… lets put it in perspective.
Huh
December 23rd, 2011
1:02 pm
“Im not surprised at all the hate coming your way. This blog site is AKA “Al Horford’s fan club” so watch what you say.”
This guy says that Horford sucks, then with a straight face he thinks the Clippers would trade DeAndre for Al.
LOL
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
1:04 pm
12pts 8.8 rbs career numbers
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm
Al Horford brainwashing
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“Boy if only we had Joakim Noah or Dwight or Bogut down low. They would be a great rebounding and passing team and Horford has a great mid range spot up shot.”
Reality: YOU DONT HAVE THOSE GUYS. YOU HAVE 6′8 JOSH SMITH playing down low and blocking shots. Marvin is terrible. AND the HAWKS SUCK.
No one hangs their hat on defensively erasing mistakes except Josh. Well guess what he’s too small and he cant shoot on offense. Yet your alternative is Marvin or Iso Al.
you Get the big center (via Bogut), you get the big shooter (via Leuer). You get a big SF (via Smith), you get the big bench (via Marvin) and flexible contracts.
Give Bucks TWO 2nd rounders or a protected first along with Horford I dont care. Just get it done.
Horford and Smith are flawed enough duo without adding Marvin. ANd a center just moves Smith to the perimeter.
This experiment is over. Young athletic Big versatile Perimeter + Big Center. Horford and picks.
Make the playoffs healthy and bust your @ss on defense. ATL Get it done.
Ken Strickland
December 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm
TRUTH B. KNOWN-I’d much rather have a foot in mouth than a head up ass, like you. At least my foot in mouth doesn’t prevent me from comprehending the fact that AHorford is a hell of a lot closer to getting the Hawks past the 2nd rd than Bogat is to getting his Bucks past the 1st rd, or even into the playoffs for that matter.
It kind of puts into perspective the low basketball IQs, and to some extent, the intelligence, of anyone who would be so critical of a player, who’s a recent 2 time Allstar, an All NBA selection, and one of the NBAs best centers, just because he’s not perfect. Oh well, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!!
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
1:12 pm
did Truth B. Known say that Al outright “sucks”? If he did I completely disagree there.
But if he says that without superstars, down low or on the perimeter, to make plays for him, Al Horford will always come up short I agree.
doc
December 23rd, 2011
1:14 pm
ken s love it. you are always so smooth. did you raise josh?
Mike
December 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm
Well, Truth is.
I am thinking that Al might need to be traded from here, I dont see use doing any damage in the playoff as we are right now, plus we might get something very good for him. Sorry. Bucks wont trade Bogut and Leuer, so let think of other teams that is willing to trade for him.
For Gearon and any of the ASG, please read this. I know that yall harper on the fans and media for no support of this team but the question is, are yall doing the things to bring a championship here, yall is too scared of the Tax to make a moves and the core needs to be major shake up, not minor. So when DASG (whatever yall call yourself anyway) is willing to go to that actual mile then the fans will do the same.
Truth B. Known
December 23rd, 2011
1:24 pm
Ken, if you ever get your foot out of your mouth,
Just a question…If ALL NBA ALL STAR AL is ALL that, shouldn’t the clippers be willing to part with DeAndre Jordan, who is neither an All nba or all star?
In fact shouldn’t we be able to get a real franchise type player for this super star super man Al with the 12pts 8.8 rbs career numbers?
I’m just saying… lets put it in perspective.
Ken you’ve figured out that stupid is as stupid does, congrats. Forrest Gump taught you that. That should help you change your thinking. Try that first then, try to get your foot out of your mouth. Because if you get your foot out first and continue your stupidity your foot will end up right back in your mouth. – Go figure.
Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 23rd, 2011
1:27 pm
I’d much rather have a foot in mouth than a head up ass, like you. At least my foot in mouth doesn’t prevent me from comprehending the fact that AHorford is a hell of a lot closer to getting the Hawks past the 2nd rd than Bogat is to getting his Bucks past the 1st rd, or even into the playoffs for that matter.
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AHorford is a hell of a lot closer to getting Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, Jeff Teague, Jamal Crawford than Bogut is to getting
Magetti, Jon Brockman, Brandon Jennings, Keyon Dooling etc… Really what does that argument say about you Kenny?
Michael Cunningham
December 23rd, 2011
1:29 pm
new blog is posted. shutting down this thread.