Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 12
Here’s what Larry Drew had to say today about Jannero Pargo, who was officially signed and immediately designated the backup to Jeff Teague:
“Very similar to Jeff, he’s a point guard who can score. But the experience itself is very valuable.”
In my assessment of Pargo last night, I didn’t note that he does have a pretty good scoring rate. In fact, his per-36 minute scoring averages over the last five seasons are comparable to what Jamal Crawford provided last season.
And in the context of the Hawks, Pargo’s experience is valuable. It was not feasible to start the season with one of Pape Sy, Donald Sloan or Brad Wanamaker as the backup point guard, especially since the schedule is so demanding. So adding a veteran, even a marginal one, provides some stability for the Hawks.
But if the goal was to add some scoring punch to the bench on the cheap, the Hawks got a scorer who is less efficient than Jamal because he doesn’t shoot as well and doesn’t get to the line as often. As John Hollinger wrote in his assessment of Pargo (Insider): “He can be useful if a team is desperate enough for shot creating that it doesn’t really care so much about the accuracy of said shots.”
Pargo’s career turnover and assist rates are also lower than Jamal’s. Pargo does represent an upgrade defensively and is a better rebounder (even at his size) but that was going to happen with most replacements. I guess Pargo can help with Drew’s plan to be a more energetic defensive team but he’s too small to play the two on any kind of regular basis.
In any event, we’ll see what Pargo can do on this team. He sounded enthusiastic about getting his next chance with a good squad.
“Kirk [Hinrich] is out so you need somebody that can come in and spell Teague a few minutes here and there and help that second unit not drop off as much from the starters,” he said. “I think I’m a guy that can come in and provide energy, defensive effort and hopefully help win some games.”
Pargo said his experience should help him quickly learn Atlanta’s offensive and defensive systems. He got a crash course on the offense today and so far likes what he sees: “Great stuff. A lot of passing, moving, cutting, backdoor. I think it’s a great offense so hopefully I learn it pretty quickly and get acclimated here.”
Camp report
- Drew’s assessment of last night’s game after breaking down the video: “I thought there were some pretty good things but I also thought we reverted back to some old habits. We have got to be a little more focused if we are trying to do some things different defensively. We have to understand exactly what we are trying to accomplish. As I told the team before the first practice, I don’t want to be a team that sits back and lets the other team do what they want to do. I want to create havoc. In order to do that you have to have everyone on the same page.”
- Charlotte got a lot of clean looks from the 3-point line last night, even when the Hawks had starters on the floor. “The concern was the effort to get the 3-point shooters,” Drew said. “As I told the guys, we have to exert our energy from the start of the shot clock till the end. It’s going to take multiple efforts. There were possessions where that didn’t happen and as a result Charlotte got some open looks.”
- Drew said the Hawks have been better with closing out during drills: “I’ve seen guys come from one corner to the other corner. Last night, a guy at the elbow just watched the guy. It has to become habit-forming. When playing against a team that is a 3-point shooting team, you have to be on your horse. You have to be committed to taking that extra step.”
- Hinrich participated in a 3-point shooting drill with Pargo and was making them at a high clip. He said he still lacks strength and full range of motion in the shoulder.
- My fantasy basketball team name: Pick-and-Pape Sy.
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Truth B. Known
December 20th, 2011
7:04 pm
1st
Najeh Davenpoop
December 20th, 2011
7:04 pm
“He got a crash course on the offense today and so far likes what he sees: “Great stuff. A lot of passing, moving, cutting, backdoor. I think it’s a great offense so hopefully I learn it pretty quickly and get acclimated here.””
He knows he signed with the Hawks, right? He seems a little confused.
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
7:09 pm
“As John Hollinger wrote in his assessment of Pargo (Insider): “He can be useful if a team is desperate enough for shot creating that it doesn’t really care so much about the accuracy of said shots.”
What do you mean “accuracy of said Shots”! Can this dude make a jumper or not?
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
7:14 pm
“Drew said the Hawks have been better with closing out during drills: “I’ve seen guys come from one corner to the other corner. Last night, a guy at the elbow just watched the guy. It has to become habit-forming. When playing against a team that is a 3-point shooting team, you have to be on your horse. You have to be committed to taking that extra step.”
Stood there and watched like a DEER in Headlights sorta Coach Drew?
If you guys cant Defend the perimeter shots, then look out it will be a very long abbreviated disappointing season for Gearon’s Hawks….
Its not Atlanta Hawks, its Gearon’s Hawks….
Grandmaster JeJe
December 20th, 2011
7:16 pm
Not ONCE in the entire Q&A with Gearon does he EVER say “Our ONLY goal is to win a championship. Anything else is not acceptable.”
Instead he says we should be competitive and entertaining (yeah being entertaining sure was a goal of the Pistons and Spurs, both of whom are boring as hell to watch, HAVE RINGS, and coincidentally, are the teams Sund is “modeling” us after”). He also has the nerve to trash OKC, DAL, Orlando, saying they haven’t been to the 2nd round 3 years in a row. ALL THOSE TEAMS HAVE RINGS OR HAVE BEEN TO THE CONFERENCE FINALS.
Then he says the team isn’t for sale but that if an offer comes along it could be.
What a joke.
As unemotional and objective as MC is, I am sure he was thinking that Gearon is a joke too and that he sufficiently wasted over an hour talking to someone without a firm grasp on reality
AMNESTY GEARON AND THE REST OF ASG (WHAT IS THEIR NEW OWNERSHIP NAME?)
Grandmaster JeJe
December 20th, 2011
7:16 pm
I believe Joe Johnson and Pargo were teammates at Arkansas
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
7:17 pm
“you have to be on your horse.”
What kind of Horse do you ride coach Drew?.. We’ll pool our monies and rent ya one to ride on outta here! lol
Michael Cunningham
December 20th, 2011
7:20 pm
@JeJe: yes, one season at Arkansas. Pargo also played with Kirk in Chicago. it’s in the print story, now linked.
superiorblogman
December 20th, 2011
7:21 pm
Meh, no cuts? How are you going to go into Thursday with all these guys on the roster? Someone needs to get cut so you can give the remaining guys sufficient minutes to see what they can do Thursday.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 20th, 2011
7:22 pm
Thanks MC.
I remember reading Phil Jackson’s book about the tumultuous 2003-2004 season and it was very hard for him to cut Pargo, who I believe was in tears when he found out (haven’t read book in 5 years or so)
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
7:36 pm
FYI, the Lakers and Clippers play a rematch Wed night @ 10:30pm! Watch how CP3 penetrates the Lakers defense at will to score the ball or throw spectacular oops to DeAndre!!!
He will again dismantle the Lakers and make it look easy doing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
7:38 pm
CP3 crossed this rookie defender twice in one move! I thought he almost broke dude’s ankles at the foul line!! Wow…..
I MUS WRITE
December 20th, 2011
7:42 pm
TMac,Radmonavich,Pargo,Benson,Zaza,Sye…….Above average bench i would say. Wannamaker,Sloan,Johnson,Stackhouse-Thanks fellaz see you next October.
I MUS WRITE
December 20th, 2011
7:43 pm
Slimjr whats good fam
MattP
December 20th, 2011
7:50 pm
I.Johnson better make the team. He really did great defensively which is what you want coming of your bench. I even think he will bring some Offence coming off the bench later on once he gets use to playing NBA level guys. Shocking for the Hawks they will have someone coming off the bench that can rebound. He did great rebounding for playing only 17 mins.
Fickle
December 20th, 2011
7:51 pm
The best thing that could happen is an injury to a starter, and then our depth plays a huge role.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 20th, 2011
7:51 pm
Gotta agree with FreshFromATL on previous blog. CP3 has always looked pudgy (at least in recent memory)
Truth B. Known
December 20th, 2011
7:58 pm
I did not see any link to Jannero Pargo playing at Arkansas with JJ. Do you have a link for that MC? Or am I wrong in saying that the two played together?
Grandmaster JeJe
December 20th, 2011
8:00 pm
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Gearon the one who brought his kids into the Thrashers’ locker room on one of their birthdays right before a playoff game so they could hi-five the players?
SMH
Truth B. Known
December 20th, 2011
8:01 pm
http://www.arkansassports360.com/25492/nba-players-joe-johnson-and-jannero-pargo-back-to-support-razorback-coach-mike-anderson
darrell starks
December 20th, 2011
8:02 pm
Man you can see the potential in PAPE SY, why every time a young player is on this team the coaches always stunt there growth, PAPE SY NEED TO STARTE AT BACKUP POINT GUARD, Woody, LD will never change there colors. I guarantee if JC2 was still playing for Hawks he would be in street clothes SMH.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
December 20th, 2011
8:05 pm
Teague only got his chance because of Hinrich injury SMH, Dam boy it’s good thing LD is in last year of his contract.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Dawg
December 20th, 2011
8:14 pm
Gerron is a joke. The Hawks organization can not even be mentioned in the same sentence at Dallas. The management of the Mavs want to win. Gerron assumes that the public is dumb enough to believe his snarky comments.
fcnatl85
December 20th, 2011
8:29 pm
Good addition considering what is available and the lack of experience of Sloan and Wanamaker. Sy might find some success more as a wing player…but does he have a shot?
I would love to add Bogans as a defensive specialist as i do not beleive that this team can carry T Mac and Stack together…
Melvin
December 20th, 2011
8:30 pm
Watching the Bulls/Pacer game. Pacers look awful. Maybe they need more time to get their chemistry together or the Bulls are just that good. However, I like Roy Hibbert. I would take him over Bogut and Lopez.
Ken Strickland
December 20th, 2011
8:32 pm
I MUS WRITE-Don’t forget MRolle and twin. It looks like our early season 4 man guard rotation is set with JJ, Teague, Sy and Pargo. I believe our 12 man roster will be the starting 5, of course, along with Zaza, Collins, Radmanovic, Rolle, TMac, Pape Sy, and Pargo. Benson, along with Sloan or Wanamaker, and maybe another player, will be on the inactive list.
It’s a given that we won’t have anyone on our bench that can even come close to matching Jamal’s scoring. However, we’ll hopefully get enough scoring from a combination of TMac, Radmanovic, Pape Sy, and Pargo. Their DEF alone with help compensate for the pts he allowed with his NO DEF. I think it’s a mistake to think TMac was brought here to replace Jamal. He was brought here to replace DWilkins as our SG/SF swing man off the bench. Actually,.no single player can replace Jamal’s scoring. It will have to be done by committee.
Even if Teague starts out with a PPG and APG simular to what Bibby produced, his DEF alone with make him a vast improvement.
DARRELL STARKS-It looks like you’re going to be wrong again this yr as well. While there’s no doubt about you being a Hawks fanatic, you also seem to be star struck. You will elevate any team about the Hawks if they sign or trade for a big named player, or a player you like. I don’t know how in the world you could place the Celtics ahead of the Hawks. Their age alone, and the stress of this yrs condensed schedule, plus their lack of depth, will eliminate them.
Their starting center is former MASH candidate JOneal. Can you name their backup center now that Big Baby is gone? And isn’t PF Green scheduled to have heart surgery? And what have the Pacers done to overcome last yrs 3 wins in 4gms. The closest they came in those loses was 10pts. They don’t have a solid SG, and their backup center, Foster, is no match for Zaza inside. Even Rolle would be a good matchup with him. Adding DWest is definitely an improvement, and adds depth at PF. But will West be able to dominate, out play, or contain JSmith?
All things being equal, Miami and Chicago are the only Eastern Conference teams that can be considered better than the Hawks at this point.
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
8:35 pm
I MUS WRITE
December 20th, 2011
7:43 pm
“Slimjr whats good fam”
Whats up I MUS WRITE? Good to see ya back on the blog. Its been a while…
You know G-Dad threw in the towel today…He could not take anymore of the Three Stooges(Gearon,Sund,and Larry) ..Gonna miss the old basketball coach and his point of view on these blogs..
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 20th, 2011
8:43 pm
Collins is consistently injured. He played less than 600 minutes last year. What are you an idiot?
JJ is going have to go back to 30% Usage of the offense for 40mpg.
Wabe
December 20th, 2011
8:48 pm
I miss Jordan Crawford…
Folks always say it’s easy to replace 2-gaurds, espeically undersized 2-gaurds. But, it’s difficult to do that when your management group settles on borderline D-League players to fill out the roster.
Jordan Crawford’s a baller.
hawks_4_life
December 20th, 2011
8:50 pm
MC
What fantasy basketball league are you in? I didnt see your name in ours.
Also didnt LD say the same thing regarding the team reverting back to the bad habits for the open practice. If so what is being done about it because talking about the fault wont get it done.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 20th, 2011
8:51 pm
The Clippers just got Reggie Evans. Great pickup for them, and good thing they got him after getting rid of Chris Kaman to avoid any locker room awkwardness.
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
8:52 pm
Didn’t JC2 drop 39pts. on DWade last season? Yep he’s a baller alright!
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
8:54 pm
“The Clippers just got Reggie Evans. Great pickup for them”
What are the Clippers trying to do? WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP?
What a novel Idea!
Grandmaster JeJe
December 20th, 2011
8:59 pm
We should sign Gadzuric
FIRE SUND
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 20th, 2011
9:00 pm
Going … Gone?
My Grand-Daddy is upset right now, so he blew the whistle and threw in the towel. But my Grand-Daddy ain’t no quitter. So, I predict this:
When G-Daddy reads A comment that pisses him off again? Like Arnold Sachwartzenager – “He’ll be back.” He can’t help it … He loves this blog adrenaline.
Just give him a couple of days to calm down and delete the ASKG from his mind, heart and spirit.
______________
Well fellas, looks like it’s gonna’ be another white christmas where we see all the other kids get new stuff and we get re-wrapped gifts from seven years past. (smh)
Was it me, or did you guys see the same players making the same habitual bad plays? Will Josh and Al ever play inside again?
Grandmaster JeJe
December 20th, 2011
9:00 pm
Jc2 will score points, take a ton of shots, and do nothing else. Leave him alone, ppl. Hes not that good
Luke Cage
December 20th, 2011
9:03 pm
Rockets passed on Samuel Dalembert, think we should look at signing this guy. If anything he could easily be an 8pts 8rb 2blk per game with the Hawks, plus he’s pretty long and agile still at his age…………..TAKE A CHANCE MGMT!!!
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
9:09 pm
Still scratchin my head that All NBA had zero,zilch, nada, no rebounds last night? huh?
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
9:13 pm
And Josh please stop shooting that fade away jumper(air ball) please. That’s All NBA’s new shot hes been working on in the off season! He has not presented it yet. But thanks for giving us a clue to what it may look like….lol
northcyde
December 20th, 2011
9:14 pm
SMH @ Evans signing for 1 year – 1.3 mill . . . basically the league minimum.
A guy who could’ve instantly come in here, and instantly become the best rebounder on the team, because that’s ALL he really cares about doing.
But he goes to the Clippers. Wow.
That team gets one draft pick that becomes an instant all-star . . and make one major trade . . and the entire fortunes of that franchise has changed dramatically.
Meanwhile, Gearon touts how we get to the 2nd round every year, even if our record in the 2nd round is 2 – 12.
And you wonder why people don’t like your azz.
Michael Cunningham
December 20th, 2011
9:14 pm
@hawks_4_life: “MC What fantasy basketball league are you in? I didnt see your name in ours.”
i’ve been in a league for about six years with some Miami media guys. i didn’t see your league but i only have time for one. don’t want to be that absentee owner that everyone gets mad at.
Macaroni Tony
December 20th, 2011
9:16 pm
I like the Jannero Pargo pickup, it gives our team another veteran. Also I still believe that we need another big man.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 20th, 2011
9:16 pm
Seriously, if the Hawks could bring Evans and Zaza off the bench, they wouldn’t even need to run an offense for the second unit. Just let the second unit guards throw up as many bricks as they want, send Zaza and Evans to the glass to get the offensive board, and keep repeating until someone gets fouled.
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
9:21 pm
2-12= .166 winning percentage..Absolutely abysmal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Gearon you really want us to buy this ish???????????????????????????????
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
9:25 pm
Thunder fixin to sweep Dallas. Up 10 in the 3rd….
Grandmaster JeJe
December 20th, 2011
9:30 pm
Quite a few nice PGs still unsigned.
Wonder where DeShawn is going.
Gadzuric is a solid rebounder…..
I wonder what LAC does with all those PGs. I will be shocked if Mo makes it through the whole season there. If they can wisely trade his contract for a piece, they’ll be in very good shape.
I am not completely sold on Chris Paul though. He looks Mike Bibby-esque with his physique – no homo. He looks out of shape
brigadierjerry
December 20th, 2011
9:34 pm
Wow Reggie Evans basically got 1.3 million. The Hawks couldnt offer him that?Of course but they are worried about hitting the luxary tax.
Slimjr whats up?you suprised by chris paul against the Lakers last night?He did the same thing to them in the playoffs. That is what Chris Paul does nothing new.
Grandad, I am sure after you cool off you will be back. I enjoy your perspective on things. I can understand your upset. Hawks are like the wife that gets smacked around by her husband but always comes back hoping for something different.
Ken Strickland, right now if you were to rank the Eastern conference how would you rank the the top 8 teams in the conference. This really a question for all Hawks fans
brigadierjerry
December 20th, 2011
9:35 pm
Enter your comments here
northcyde
December 20th, 2011
9:40 pm
Jordan Crawford: 18 pts – 6 rebs – in 29 minutes
Oh . . he was 6 – 21 FG though.
Still wouldn’t mind having him here.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 20th, 2011
9:42 pm
This is my Eastern Conference prediction for the end of the year.
Miami
Chicago
New York
Atlanta
Indiana
New Jersey
Milwaukee
Boston
This is partially based on the assumption that Dwight will get traded to the Nets in midseason.
superiorblogman
December 20th, 2011
9:49 pm
Bogans is still out there and better than T-Mac and Stack. Reggie Evans would have been better than T-Mac for the money, and everyone else on our bench. Dalembert is also better than everyone on our bench and is still out there.
ASG and Sund are sorry. Pay all the tolls you wish. Come up with all the gimmicks you wish, but it will not work. What will work is putting a better product out there. Dalembert would be this teams Tyson Chandler. I hate Sund and the ASG sorry MF’ers.
Luke Cage
December 20th, 2011
9:49 pm
Hey CUNNINGHAM, whats the word on the street about Samuel Dalelmbert, figured he would be snatched up by now, I really would hate for the guy to go to the HEAT, Cmon HAWKS Mgmt, give the guy a serious look at!!!!
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
9:50 pm
76′ers are going to make the playoffs..Wish we had Coach Collins!
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
9:51 pm
Sell the darn Steak House and get your team some help Gearon!
I’d rather eat @ Bones anyway Sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Buddy Grizzard
December 20th, 2011
9:52 pm
From the previous blog:
“On the Billups pick-up, were we still down the list before we could claim him? Why pay them anything more than the minimum if they already have their salary promised to them? I saw Rip getting 5M from the Bulls… you would think none of these owners would take on add’l salary when the numbers are already locked in?” – KevinM
Kevin, two completely separate cases here. In the case of Chauncey, he went through two waiver processes. Once the Knicks waived him, any team with cap space could claim him and take on his full $14.2m salary. Obviously nobody wanted to do that, so he cleared normal waivers and was made available for bidding via the amnesty clause.
As for your question of why owners would want to pay Chauncey when he is already gauranteed to receive that money from the Knicks, the answer is because Amnesty players can be an extreme value. The Clippers won the bidding by agreeing to take on $3.5m of his salary. That’s a small price to pay for a one year contract for a former finals MVP originally signed for $14.2m for this season. Teams could bid as low as the veteran’s minimum, but obviously the Clippers thought it was worth it to bid more so that he wouldn’t go to another team. They were likely to lose Eric Gordon and needed another guard that can shoot.
If you look at the Knicks salaries on hoopshype, you can see Chauncey still listed for the remaining $10.7m the Clippers are not paying. This money does not count against the salary cap for the Knicks, but if they were below the 85% cap minimum that teams are now required to spend every year, it would count toward acheiving the minimum.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm
Rip Hamilton is a completely separate case. His agent negotiated a buyout with the Pistons so that he could become an unrestricted free agent rather than be submitted to the amnesty process where he would likely be claimed by a non-contender. He probably agreed to give back to the Pistons roughly what Amnesty bidders were likely to offer for his services. That way, the Pistons get the same savings they would have received through Amnesty without using it (they can save it for another player now), and Rip got to pick the team he wanted to play on.
The Hawks were never in the bidding for Chauncey. We are over the cap so we could not claim him off traditional waivers and were not eligible to make an amnesty bid. Only if he cleared waivers and no team under the cap submitted an Amnesty bid would he then become an unrestricted free agent, in which case the Hawks could offer him a veteran’s minimum deal or the mini mid-level exception.
The Clippers bid on Chauncey despite his agent threatening that he would retire if claimed by a team he did not wish to play for. Chief Gangsta Stern then announced to the media that Chauncey’s agent had been warned that failure to report to the team that claimed him would result in his contract being voided, in which case he would not receive a dime of the $14.2m owed him. Chauncey decided playing for the Clips
brigadierjerry
December 20th, 2011
9:55 pm
Najeh,
You dont have Philly making the playoffs?What is your reason behind that?They have a good coach and some good talent.
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
9:58 pm
The Thunder are dismantling Dallas.. Man do they miss Chandler already? Getting destroyed on the boards!
Buddy Grizzard
December 20th, 2011
10:02 pm
Chauncey decided playing for the Clips wasn’t so bad after all.
Prison Mike
December 20th, 2011
10:23 pm
“The Clippers just got Reggie Evans.”
I managed to get them at -1 vs. the Warriors. What I saw them do versus the Lakers opened my eyes. It has already risen up to -3, so that’s my pick of the week.
Ra'mon
December 20th, 2011
10:23 pm
I think the Hawks will get the Second seed this season! I say they win 45-48 games this season.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 20th, 2011
10:26 pm
I could only pick two between Milwaukee, Boston, and Philly, so I left Philly off. It really could have been one of the other two. I didn’t have the balls to leave Boston off, but I am really less confident about them than either of the other two.
BigTimeTECHFan
December 20th, 2011
10:29 pm
this is preseason, don’t hype over how well one team beats another.
Ricky Rubio Rookie of the year and all NBA next year
watch out for the T Wolves
Derrick Williams will be Star
Rubio will be star
Beasley will find his groove
K Love future MVP
Nice young group to build around
Slimjr
December 20th, 2011
10:43 pm
This isn’t a normal preseason! Dudes are busting their butt out there like a regular season game! Lamar almost got into a fight and got t’ed up…
Yes this is a different preseason for sure…
Derrick Williams is the real deal. He may end up being even better than Paul Pierce?
Ken Strickland
December 20th, 2011
10:56 pm
My rankings for this yr are:
Heat
Bulls
Hawks
Pacers
Nets
Knicks
Bucks
Celtics
If DHoward isn’t traded, this will change.
I find it downright STUPID andfor anyone to try and make an issue of a 5 time Allstar, who’s averaged almost 20PPG in his career, scoring only 6pts in a doggone preseason gm. In fact, LDrew said he would use the gm to evaluate Wanamaker, Sloan and Sy, so it stands to reason that JJ took a back seat to allow them a chance to impress Drew. Of course, that might be too intelligent for some of our HATERS to comprehend. It certainly wouldn’t be the 1st time.
Ken Strickland
December 20th, 2011
11:00 pm
One reason for the Lakers not playing up to their potential is the fact that they are in the process of learning a new HC, as well as a totally new OFF/DEF system.
hawksfancents95
December 20th, 2011
11:20 pm
i’ll go
heat
bulls
hawks
celts
knicks
pacers
76ers
wizards
does anyone know why atlanta is not on dwights places to go? i like our “core” too, but if bynum is the best big man to get in return for dwight & orl, why not maybe al horford and joe(and picks). and we could take a bad contract player. with dwight at 5 and josh at 4 with teague gettin up and down we could win an nba championship in atl within 3 years no doubt. i like our core but like Gearon jr said if they can find a way to acquire someone to get us over the top we should entertain all oppurtunities.
David
December 20th, 2011
11:26 pm
What is the fascination that people have with the Knicks? I don’t get it. Yes, they have two great scorers whom the media would call “superstars”, but what motivates people to think they will all of a sudden become a top 4 team in the East this year and pass teams like Orlando and Atlanta in the process?
Chicago was able to make a meteoric rise to the top last season, but that sort of thing is very rare unless you totally revamp your roster. Also, you have to keep in mind that they have an amazing defensive coordinator in Thibodeau, and it was their defense that allowed them to do so. They also had the league MVP, but moreso than anything, they got it done on the defensive end. New York doesn’t have either of those things. They have volume scorers who can score as much as Rose, but I don’t see that as being enough to propel them to a top 4 seed. Can someone explain to me why they feel like NY is such a threat to the East?
Grandmaster JeJe
December 20th, 2011
11:49 pm
Knicks have worst backcourt in NBA.nor bottom 5.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 20th, 2011
11:50 pm
*or
Rufus1
December 20th, 2011
11:52 pm
For those worried about Jamal’s production….
“Teague will easily average what Jamal averaged last season (14.2 ppg) and he will provide better defense. Now question is can T-Mac and Rad replace Teague’s 5.2 ppg.”-jdewayneatl-
Wabe
December 21st, 2011
12:04 am
I’d take Jordan Crawford over anything coming off our bench right now…
Real talk.
I’m not annointing this guy as an All-Star caliber gaurd. But honestly, we all had a pretty good idea that Jamal was gonna be off the books this upcoming season, but yet again, this management group’s decision making process is so short-sighted that they neglect to think down the road.
He could’ve helped to replace some of Jamal’s pop off the bench this season. Or, we could’ve used that 1st rounder(if we could ever hit on a draft pick and play the dude) that we gave up for Hinrich to fill a void.
But, we deal a 1st rounder + our 1st rounder from the last draft to get Kirk Hinrich, whose nothing more than another stop-gap solution. Short-sighted. And folks think the Falcons gave away too much for Julio Jones.
At least that move pays off in the long-run.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 21st, 2011
12:15 am
“What is the fascination that people have with the Knicks? I don’t get it. Yes, they have two great scorers whom the media would call “superstars”, but what motivates people to think they will all of a sudden become a top 4 team in the East this year and pass teams like Orlando and Atlanta in the process?”
a) The addition of Chandler means they are going to be at least average defensively, and with Melo and Amare on the floor they will be able to score against anyone.
b) I really don’t think their back court is as bad as everyone says it is. They don’t have a pure point guard, true, but they are going to be running isolation all the time, so it’s not like they really need a pure distributor to be a good team. Douglas is a good defender and shoots a high percentage from 3, and Fields is a solid role player and one of the best rebounding guards in the league. They could use another shooter to spread the floor, but it’s not like they are starting Royal Ivey in the back court or something. And there is always the wild card of Baron Davis or Mike Bibby showing up in good enough shape to contribute something.
c) Sure, they don’t have depth, but getting past the Heat and Bulls — the two consensus top teams in the conference — who does have depth? The Celtics lost Jeff Green and are basically down to one quality player off the bench. We all know the Hawks’ issues with depth. The Pacers are deep, but they are still young and have something to prove. Orlando is fading and I am not even picking them to make the playoffs, especially if they trade Dwight. New Jersey, with or without a Dwight trade, is lacking in depth across all positions. Milwaukee and Philadelphia could potentially be deep, but we don’t know how good (or how healthy) their starters are going to be.
In a conference where pretty much everyone except Chicago has depth problems, that doesn’t seem like a huge stumbling block to me. The Knicks’ starting five can hang with a lot of East teams and their front court is one of the top 3 in the league. Barring a huge leap forward by Teague surpassing even my expectations, I’d be surprised if the Hawks finished ahead of the Knicks this season.
superiorblogman
December 21st, 2011
12:20 am
Bogut- We don’t have the pieces to get him without giving up Teague, Joe, Josh, or Al so I don’t want him.
Tyson Chandler- much respect to the Knicks in finding a creative way to get him that’s what teams that really want to win do, they get what they need.
Dwight- Cool give up the team for him if he will re-sign. I would but not without a promise in writing.
Javal McGee- They are not trading him unless something goes bad wrong this year. He will get paid at the end of this year also as a RFA.
Brendan Haywood-If they go really bad this year they may trade him. He would help and could start at C.
Andris Biedrins- I would love to have him but they would have to take Marvin along with Zaza and send us back a filler. Don’t know if they would be willing.
Andruw Bynum- If we could get him I would love to have him but the fact that he is so injury prone scares me. I would give Josh and Marvin for him though.
Chris Kaman- I am all for sending Zaza, Kirk, and a 2nd rd pick for Kaman. They could take it or leave it because there is a lot of value in that trade for them.
Emeka Okafor- I am all for sending Zaza and Marvin for Okafor then signing Al Thorton off the streets.
Gortat- I am all for sending Marvin, Zaza, and a 2nd to Phoenix for Gortat and Josh Childress.
Samuel Dalembert- I am all for making him a offer. We still have full mid-level exception.
All those players would help this team possibly take the next step not just in my mind but statistically.
ASG and Sund need to manage instead of coming up with silly gimmicks
Rusty
December 21st, 2011
1:23 am
jeJe yea ld also knew jc2 wasn’t any good that’s why he didn’t play him or jt. How & when did you become a grandmaster?
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
1:34 am
Heat
Bulls
Pacers
76ers
Hawks
Celtics
Knicks
Nets
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
1:36 am
Kendrick Perkins looking great athletically. an 80s style banger.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
1:41 am
Oscar Robertson on trades -
When asked about James, Robertson went into teacher mode. “I’m going to give you a little scenario about something,’’ he said. “People don’t think beyond a couple of years ago. When Shaq [O’Neal] was in Orlando, what happened to him? When Kareem was in Milwaukee, what happened to him? Wilt [Chamberlain] went to Los Angeles. [Good teams] are always going to make a key trade.
When asked about James, Robertson went into teacher mode. “I’m going to give you a little scenario about something,’’ he said. “People don’t think beyond a couple of years ago. When Shaq [O’Neal] was in Orlando, what happened to him? When Kareem was in Milwaukee, what happened to him? Wilt [Chamberlain] went to Los Angeles. [Good teams] are always going to make a key trade.
“Red Auerbach got Bill Russell in a trade because St. Louis (Hawks) didn’t want any black players,” said Robertson, 71 .
“Superior”blogman on trades -
Bogut to the Hawks- We don’t have the pieces to get him without giving up Teague, Joe, Josh, or Al so I don’t want him.
Stupid is as stupid does.
JaeEvolution
December 21st, 2011
2:31 am
Nuggets lost 3 of their best players and are still CRAZY deep…I can only hope one day Jeff Teague plays at Ty Lawson level cause that guy is something special for them. Also that rookie Faried is a BEAST, 6 boards 5 offensive in only 15 minutes, and to think we could’ve drafted him had we not made that boneheaded trade AND we’d still have JC2.
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 21st, 2011
3:03 am
FIRE SUND
FIRE LD
They would rather bring in washed up veterans instead of developing rookies. Jordan Crawford sounds 10 time better than Pargo.
Buddy Grizzard
December 21st, 2011
3:07 am
Chris Palmer: Wizards Jordan Crawford took 31 shots in 2 preseason games. Made 9.
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1h9Wj6Gtz
“TMac,Radmonavich,Pargo,Benson,Zaza,Sye…….Above average bench i would say.” – I MUS WRITE
Not much above average I would say. After seeing how disinterested T-Mac has looked since he joined the Hawks, I’m starting to doubt he can match his production of a year ago with Detroit. I’ve been screaming all summer for the Hawks to re-sign Damien Wilkins and it now appears the Hawks have made a HUGE mistake by letting him go. Given T-Mac’s injury history, signing both of them would have been a much better idea. For all his offensive limitations, Wilkins is a beast on defense and would have helped continue the shift of defensive philosophy for this Hawks team.
Radmanovic could have some big moments this year. Benson looks legit but won’t make a large impact right away. Sy tantalizes with his potential, but let’s face it… he’s not a good basketball player. Great athlete… bad player. Pargo is an excellent stopgap until Kirk returns. Overall I’d say the bench needs major help and I can’t believe the Clippers just got one of the best rebounders in the game for the vet’s minimum. WE NEED KEITH BOGANS… EVERYBODY SAY IT WITH ME.
Truth B Told
December 21st, 2011
3:07 am
Yes stupid is as stupid does…
Any player who is worth trading for would only want to come here if Josh is here. The only real trade bait we have is Al Horford, who would probably welcome the chance to play full time power forward. Howard has clearly stated that the only way he comes to Atlanta is if his best buddy and co film star Josh is here. So if we were to go after Howard, Al is our trade piece.
Josh puts more fans in the stands that Al, and by the All Star Voting Josh got over 100,000 more votes than Al. Trading Josh makes more unhappy fans than trading Al.
Josh is a constant triple double threat in addition to being the hawks most exciting player. While Al is a serviceable near double double, So is Josh, as are a very large percentage of players in the NBA. Double Double is no big thing when you consider how many players can do that. A bigger matrix is the triple double which is an indication of an absolute assertion, talent and impact. Al is nowhere to be considered on that level.
Trading Josh almost certainly lowers the level of play and competition that the hawks put on the floor night in night out. Trading Al is an easy replacement for what he brings to the table. 12pt career average and 8.8 rebounds.
I vote trade Al while there may be some one outside of the press or a coach’s add on to fill out his roster who thinks the guy is an all star.
Trade Al now because his heart inst into the position he’s being asked to play and we need to keep pace and upgrade that position if we expect to rise in level of play and to get back to the serious contender level we were at 2 years ago.
Trade Al now.
Truth B Told
December 21st, 2011
3:11 am
**Trade Al now because his heart isn’t into the position he’s being asked to play
vava74
December 21st, 2011
3:15 am
Where is the guy who was complaining about JJ only scoring 6 points in an exhibition game????
…. F min22:47 FG2-10 3fg0-3 FT2-2 ± -14 oReb1 dReb4 tReb5 Ass2 PF3 Stl1 To1 Blk0 BlkA1 Pts6
Does anyone wants to guess who is the scrub, heartless wimp that posted these numbers???
Does anyone wants to confirm the “theory” that true stars never post 6 point games in 22+ minutes of play, even on an exhibition???
vava74
December 21st, 2011
3:25 am
“Bogans is still out there and better than T-Mac and Stack. Reggie Evans would have been better than T-Mac for the money, and everyone else on our bench. Dalembert is also better than everyone on our bench and is still out there.”
Yep!!! Even I that I am not a big Dalembert fan have to agree without any reserves on that.
Bogans is a must sign player (remember the best he was on JJ? And that he knocked down his 3’s at an excellent rate).
Perfect backup for JJ AND until Hinrich comes back, I would even start him – for us to have a good first 5 minutes of quality D – with JJ sliding to SF.
vava74
December 21st, 2011
3:44 am
“pest”, not “best”
vava74
December 21st, 2011
4:07 am
On McGrady:
Last year, in the pre-season:
10-11 DET G1 GS0 Min8 FG0-0 3FG0-0 FT0-0 oReb0 DReb2 tReb2 Ass0 Stl0 Blk1 To1 FL1 Pts0
Hopefully, he is playing possum and saving himself from an injury, but…
Will he be committed on a Monday night, against the Raptors? Or will also coast then?
EmirS.
December 21st, 2011
4:44 am
“Howard has clearly stated that the only way he comes to Atlanta is if his best buddy and co film star Josh is here” Truth B Told
Just out of curiosity, where and when did Howard make that comment?
Reality Check
December 21st, 2011
5:29 am
“However, I like Roy Hibbert. I would take him over Bogut and Lopez.”
Lopez, absolutely. But Bogut? No. AB is the best defensive center in the league not named Dwight and knows where to be on offense.
Reality Check
December 21st, 2011
5:36 am
Also, the Sixers will make the playoffs. Collins is underrated, usually gets the most out of his players.
In no order, I’ll say: Hawks, Bulls, Knicks, Heat, Celtics (though they will fall), Pacers, Sixers, and whichever team Dwights ends up on.
Reality Check
December 21st, 2011
5:40 am
Too many people are overreacting to preseason games around the league. How often do we see teams in every sport stink up the joint in exhibition (or even early in the regular season) and end up making deep playoff runs?
Buddy Grizzard
December 21st, 2011
5:40 am
“What do you mean “accuracy of said Shots”! Can this dude make a jumper or not?” – Slimjr
He can make a jumper if you give him enough attempts.
Buddy Grizzard
December 21st, 2011
5:54 am
“BOGANS IS A MUST SIGN PLAYER (remember the pest he was on JJ? And that he knocked down his 3’s at an excellent rate).” – Vava74
Did you guys hear that?
BOGANS IS A MUST SIGN PLAYER
BOGANS IS A MUST SIGN PLAYER
BOGANS IS A MUST SIGN PLAYER
BOGANS IS A MUST SIGN PLAYER
BOGANS IS A MUST SIGN PLAYER
We already missed out on Reggie Evans for the veteran’s minimum. Gearon is crying about how the Hawks can’t attract stars. HOW ABOUT ATTRACTING MINIMUM SALARY PLAYERS WHO ADD DEPTH AND GIVE THE HAWKS A CHANCE TO MAKE A RUN THIS YEAR.
MC have you mentioned players like Evans and Bogans to Sund? To Gearon?
vava74
December 21st, 2011
6:04 am
Buddy,
That’s right: Pargo’s career FG% is well below .400!!!!
It’s quite incredible that he has been in the league for so long shooting .388 and without any discernible play making skills.
Last year, we could not find steady minutes for Teague because he allegedly “could not shoot” but this year we will be giving minutes to a guy everyone knows he can’t shoot (better, always shoots, regardless of any consequences, so he takes horrible shots).
If Jamal was Drew’s cocaine, then Pargo will be his met-amphetamine…
tony
December 21st, 2011
6:06 am
I think the season will end like this.
1) Chicago(upgrade Richard Hamilton)
2) Miami
3) Orlando(upgrade Big Baby)( rank 16th off 4th def) they will gel
4) NYK(upgrade Tyson Chandler) rank 2nd off, 28th def
5) Boston(experience/good coaching will propel them)
6) Indiana(upgrade David West 19ppg 8rpg)
7) Milwaukee(upgrade Stephen Jackson/M.Dunleavy)
Note: The hawk’s offense will decline vastly this season unless newcomers can replace JC production. Marvin William is the most improve player from a year ago but JS and JJ still havn’t shown me anything special. I’m getting ready for the draft folks. Here’s what I’m hoping for this offseason. Send JS to Spurs for DeJuan Blair, draft Harrison Barnes, sign Deron Williams and Dwight Howard this offseason. I know it’s a long shot but I think it’s time for this(ASG) organization to make it right with the fans.
Projected Lineup Next Season:
pg-Deron Williams……………JT
sg-JJ………………………………Sy
sf-Harrison Barnes(r)……….MW
pf-AH……………………………..DeJuan Blair
c-Dwight Howard……………..Keith Benson
This team will bring an NBA Title to Atlanta.
vava74
December 21st, 2011
6:11 am
tony,
which intoxicating substance are you under the effect of? Josh accounts only to 13 million in cap space and you want to sign 2 guys who will command an absolute minimum of 16 million each?
vava74
December 21st, 2011
6:32 am
I am not worried about the Knicks.
Yes, they will look impressive at times, but if we ignore all the fizzle, the steak isn’t that good.
I think they will be roughly up to par with us: entertaining product, but not real contenders.
My view on the standings:
1) MIA
BOS (I think Rondo will be pissed off and the oldies will suffer with the crammed up schedule)
2) CHI (it should be close)
3) ORL (if they keep Howard and he is moderately happy)
4) ATL (provided that: Teague manages to post the following # – 12.5ppg, 5apg 3rpg 2stl 1.5to on .450; .330; .850 shooting AND Marvin posts the following # 14ppg 6rpg on .475; .360; .850)
5) IND
6) NYK (I think Chandler and or Amar’e will be injured most of the year)
7) PHI (Collins usually tires his men’s ears after year 1)
9) NJN (close, unless they sign Howard, which will make them jump into #3)
tony
December 21st, 2011
6:34 am
vava74, I did say it would be a long shot…….have you seen LAL payroll? If ASG want to make it right with the fans, they will pay the luxury tax.
Buddy Grizzard
December 21st, 2011
6:37 am
Vava can you imagine Rip trying to D up on Joe when we play Chicago?
vava74
December 21st, 2011
6:44 am
Buddy,
I think CHI made a HUGE mistake in releasing Bogans HUGE.
And we are making an even BIGGER mistake not signing him. COLOSSAL MISTAKE.
F*CK: Bogans and R. Evans would make our bench rugged and playoff ready and these incompetent pricks have been checking out mummies (Stack and McGrady) and perennial underachievers like V-Rad!!!!!!!!!!!!
vava74
December 21st, 2011
6:50 am
Look at the Knicks’ depth chart:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/nyk/depthchart
Still missing Baron.
But: Toney, Baron and Bibby are all subpar, each in different areas. Baron is entertaining, but likes to shoot too much – I think he will piss off Amar’e and ‘Melo (and they will piss each other too).
With Baron Chandler will still get his alley hoop dunks, but I think the effect of Chandler will be ‘Melo and Amar’e coasting even more on D (remember, these are “me first” kind of guys, with Amar’e last year making some progress on that front).
One of the Knicks’ best bench players last year is gone across the Hudson (Shawne Williams), now, they have virtually NO ONE to score a single FG (unless Iman pans out as a second coming of Fields and is the rookie surprise too).
The Real Hawk
December 21st, 2011
6:52 am
Love that he can score. Check his ststs on that.
Also Chicago thought so much of him last year he didn’t play at all.
Gotta love it!
Dukester
December 21st, 2011
6:59 am
So Ive been reading over this blog and are you good people telling me that we still have our mid level exception, we resigned Collins and center, that we could trade Zaza for a pick to clear cap space all of these moves could be used to sign Samuel Dalembert a strong rebounder and shot blocker. All of those possiblities to stay under the cap??
Its so depressing to watch this franchise.
O by the way Larry Drew probably the reason why the 3 pt shooters were open is (drum roll) The team had to collapse in the paint to protect and defend the rim and try to get position for a rebound. So you see its hard to do a center’s job and get out and defend a guy 22 feet a way. So either give up high percentage shots in the paint or high precentage open 3 pt shots. OR GET A DARN CENTER!!!! Dang yall stupid.
Just Joe
December 21st, 2011
7:00 am
Until Hinrich gets back, our second unit will be Pargo, Sy, TMac, Vlad, Rolle or Benson, Pachulia, Collins.
Bulls will be Watson, Brewer, Korver, Butler, Scalabrine, Gibson, Asik.
Heat will be Cole, House, Miller, Battier, Haslem, Pittman, Curry.
Knicks will be Bibby, Shumpert, Balkman, Jefferies, Jordan.
Just Joe
December 21st, 2011
7:07 am
None of those benches scare me that much. The Bulls have a nice group of role players, and it seems Thibs knows when to use them. They have not replaced Kurt Thomas yet.
Bostons bench will be Dooling, Bradley, Pavlovic, Daniels, Bass, Wilcox + one more.
Very little center depth in the East.
Dukester
December 21st, 2011
7:13 am
Just read Dalembert wanting somewhere around 7 million for 1 year. In a short season I would be willing to move Zaza or Hinrich to bring him in here.
Big Ray
December 21st, 2011
7:29 am
“However, I like Roy Hibbert. I would take him over Bogut and Lopez.”
Lopez, absolutely. But Bogut? No. AB is the best defensive center in the league not named Dwight and knows where to be on offense.
Agreed. And on top of that, he’s a very good passer.
But….
1) The last time he played 82 games was his rookie year.
2) That also happened to be the only time he’s played any playoff games.
3) Bogut usually goes missing due to some sort of bad injury towards the end of the season, during that stretch run, when he’s needed most.
I just don’t really want to take that chance.
Big Ray
December 21st, 2011
7:34 am
I believe Hawks are done signing people, and had decided to stick with whatever shakes loose from their preseason roster….and decided that quite some time ago. It sickens me to see Reggie Evans go elsewhere for a mere $1.3 million. It sickens me all the time to see different guys going different places and thinking “damn, we could have had that guy.”
But we do this ish every year. In the meantime, I wonder a few things about Larry Drew:
1) What happens when Teague struggles early? Will Drew let him play through it and take his lumps, or will he snatch him in favor of Pargo at the earliest opportunity?
2) If Al gets two quick fouls, will we see him sit for the remainder of the first half and a large chunk of the third quarter?
3) Does Marvin stay in the starting lineup or will Drew bring him off the bench? Can Drew even manage to make up his mind about what kind of lineup he will use most nights, or is he going to keep yammering on about tinkering with this and/or trying that?
4) Three team captains again, or does he have the balls to change that?
vava74
December 21st, 2011
7:36 am
Ray,
I asked you a couple blogs ago if you could e-mail me. I lost your e-mail when my previous laptop burned out.
Unless you are still weary about being in contact with a gun control advocate
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 21st, 2011
7:54 am
Training Day!
““Howard has clearly stated that the only way he comes to Atlanta is if his best buddy and co film star Josh is here”
-Truth B Told-
“Just out of curiosity, where and when did Howard make that comment?”-EmirS.-
_________________
Hello Emirs., G-Morning sir. Your reponse to -TruthBeTold-, is gonna’ make Sautee proud. Perhaps he can catch up some music playing and rest, while you keep the “blowers” honest with their self-serving mis-quotes and “straw-man” supported opinions. Keep working out the lies my friend.
vava74
December 21st, 2011
8:28 am
On the Hawks’ holiday video:
Sy’s accent makes him sound like he is having a Freudian slip:
“Hawks basketball is BAD!”
Ken Strickland
December 21st, 2011
8:28 am
When evaluating the Knicks, you have to factor in this yrs brutal schedule. How well will Amare handle it? Bibbby fade badly down the stretch under a regular schedule when he was with us, and BDavis has been over weight and out of shape for at least 2yrs. Who do they have to back up Chandler? In fact, who do they have as backups period, unless you think they are going to successfully weather this schedule relying primarily on their starters to play De Antoni’s wide open style of basketball.
This is yet another example of how some fans only see one side of things when it comes to the Hawks. They can show concern, or visualize how how certain things, like the schedule, will afffect the Hawks, but not how it will affect other teams. I think the Bulls will be replaced by the Heat and will be challenged by the Hawks. Replacing Bogans with Hamilton won’t be the improvement they were hoping for.
Rip can’t create his own shot, can’t effectively take anyone off the dribble, and hasn’t proven to be very effective without a series of picks to free him up. Add OFF priorities like DRose, CBoozer and Deng to the mix, and the fact that their OFF won’t be built around his needs, and his contributions will be limited. Besides, he’s definitely not the DEF player Bogans is.
Ray
December 21st, 2011
8:54 am
You know how much of a joke this organization is we’re only above the Clippers according to a lot of people, and what makes it even worse they mention on ESPN First Take the Nique trade and I was just left SMDH.
I’d actually rather be a fan of any other team excluding the Clippers and Hawks sometimes it’s so horrible.
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
9:01 am
Looking at our roster as it stands today, I think we keep 15 for this season. Based on our need to find some players off the bench, and the current state of Hinrich, we need more bodies to come in and spell the starters for a few minutes.
So with Hinrich out, and it sounds like he may be ready sooner than expected, we have to let go of 2 more. I think the winners will come from Sloan/Wannamaker and Benson/Rolle. Both of these groups are very similar in skill and we keep one of both to balance the roster. So it looks like Stack may hang on at least until Kirk returns.
Ken Strickland
December 21st, 2011
9:14 am
BIG RAY-Drew is in the final yr of his 2yr contract. With this yrs condensed schedule, and his job on the line, you had better believe he’ll throw Teague on the trash pile if he struggles early.
There’s been mention of us paying the luxury tax to sign Dalembert, and or trading away valuable assets to get him here. There has to be something wrong if he’s stlll available, as desperate as some teams are for center help. Also, there’s a reason Philly got rid of him, and the Kings were willing to let him walk, and couldn’t get anyone to do a sign and trade for him. I think his salary demands are too high, but I think I know why. He wants as much money as he can get so he can help the people in his home country of Haiti. I can only love him for that.
It just wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever to trade Zaza and go into luxury tax territory to sign him. If you subtract Zaza’s production from his, we’d end up paying a few million more than we’re paying for Zaza, plus the luxury tax, for just over 1BPG, and a couple of rebounds. And remember, Dalembert started 46gms last yr, so his stats are inflated by that fact. He’s also been very injury prone as well. The ASG has already stated that they’ll only pay the luxury tax for an impact player, and Dalembert is no longer an impact player.
However, he could be an impact player if he was’t so injury prone, and dedicated himself to working hard and maximizing his efforts and contributions. Apparently his former teams don’t feel he’s been willing to do any of those things, hence his continued availability.
Ra'mon
December 21st, 2011
9:16 am
Miami is the only team in the East I see clearly improved who was in the top 8 teams.
Ken Strickland
December 21st, 2011
9:29 am
BIG RAY-I can even envision another situation where Teague could be thrown on the trash pile. Suppose he plays well, but doesn’t have the impact he had in last yrs playoff, and Pargo does well as his backup. When Hinrich returns, I can see Drew starting him and using Pargo as his backup, which leaves Teague as the odd man out. Drew wouldn’t give a doggone about Teague, Teagues future, or the teams future PG situation, because his expiring contract would mean his future is now.
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
9:33 am
NBA.com has approx 60+/- FAs that still do not have a home….there is plenty of experience out there.
Scoring from the bench? Give me Arenas, Boykins, Vujacic, or Stevenson
Big body? Powe, Armstrong, Chuck Hayes (take a claim on him)
Defense? Bogans (trumps Sy), Stevenson
c'mon man
December 21st, 2011
9:37 am
here my eastern conference playoff picture agree or disagreee?
1. Miami Heat
2. New York Knicks
3. Chicago Bulls
4. Atlanta Hawks
5. Milwalke bucks
6. Boston Celtics
7. New Jersey Nets… (If Dwight is there)
8. Indiana Pacer or Orlando (without dwight)
Truth B. Known
December 21st, 2011
9:38 am
drmaryb.[*_*].
Your reponse to -TruthBeTold, is gonna’ make Sautee proud. Perhaps he can catch up some music playing and rest, while you keep the “blowers” honest with their self-serving mis-quotes and “straw-man” supported opinions. Keep working out the lies my friend.
Drmaryb, Ive instructed Santa to play a shoe horn under your tree that you may used to remove your foot from your mouth.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/12/dwight-howard-wants-andre-iguodala-monta-ellis-or-josh-smith-in-orlando/
Truth B. Known
December 21st, 2011
9:40 am
**Drmaryb, Ive instructed Santa to place a shoe horn under your tree that you may used to remove your foot from your mouth.
Truth B. Known
December 21st, 2011
9:42 am
c’mon man slightly disagree.
1. Miami Heat
2. New York Knicks
3. Chicago Bulls
4. Boston Celtics
5. Milwalke bucks
6.Atlanta Hawks
7. New Jersey Nets… (If Dwight is there)
8. Indiana Pacer or Orlando (without dwight)
No
December 21st, 2011
9:44 am
“drmaryb.[*_*].
Your reponse to -TruthBeTold, is gonna’ make Sautee proud. Perhaps he can catch up some music playing and rest, while you keep the “blowers” honest with their self-serving mis-quotes and “straw-man” supported opinions. Keep working out the lies my friend.
Drmaryb, Ive instructed Santa to play a shoe horn under your tree that you may used to remove your foot from your mouth.
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/12/dwight-howard-wants-andre-iguodala-monta-ellis-or-josh-smith-in-orlando/”
Where in that link does he say he’d come to the ATL?
No
December 21st, 2011
9:44 am
About 99.99999% sure he would not go to GS or Philly to play with Monta or Iguodala
c'mon man
December 21st, 2011
9:53 am
Dwight in golden state would be a freaking problem. that team is getting better every day but steph went down yesterday dont know how bad it is though.
Dukester
December 21st, 2011
10:05 am
@Ken Strickland: On the topic of Sam Dalembert I agree he is a question mark. His basketball IQ is not the best, not sure about his injury situation. I think in Sacramento’s eyes they have young talent that plays in front of him. As far as any other teams not signing him it may be due to him wanting more than he is worth. (I heard 7 mil.) So I will say what does that mean if Sacramento is willing to pay him 7 mill to ride the bench.
Now here is our reality. First off Zaza is at 5 mil with another 5 due next yr, We just signed Collins, neither of these players have the athleticism to defend and rebound the way Damlembert can. We see how hard and expensive it is to get someone who can. I say we bite the bullet move Zaza and get Dalembert. Al Horford has basically said in his mind he wants to be shooting PF not a 8pt 12rbd 3blocks a night center. And I agree with him, I saw him at La Parilla Mexican restaurant. He is not 6′ 10″ as advertised. A solid 6′9″. Iam 6′ 5″ and I have played against many players his height. My point is 7 mil for 66 games to start at center and bring the much needed rebounding and defensive presence in playoffs where we get penetrated and out rebounded is the way to go.
J from the A
December 21st, 2011
10:12 am
With the exception of KevinM’s recent post, I am really surprised people have not mentioned DeShawn Stevenson. If he can be had for the minimum (or close to it), he seems like he would be an excellent value pick up.
Re: Dalembert: If you guys want him just to have another big body on the bench, fine. But if you are actually advocating giving up (dumping) some pieces so that the Hawks can sign him, just say no. Dalembert simply is not that good.
Dukester
December 21st, 2011
10:18 am
@J from the A You dont believe Sam Dalembert is a upgrade over the centers we have? Not counting Al Horford.
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
10:23 am
DeShawn Stevenson> Keith Bogans
Stevenson can shoot the 3pt and Bogans can’t shoot anything.
Send Sy back to the D-league and sign him to a non-guaranteed contract….We need more TATTOOS and TOUGHNESS on this team.
J from the A
December 21st, 2011
10:25 am
@Dukester: I am not convinced that Dalembert is a _clear_ upgrade over Zaza. Yes, Dalembert can clearly do _some_ things better, but I am not sure if he is overall better than Zaza. Besides if Dalembert is wanting (and assuming he gets) something close to $7 mil, that means either (a) giving up Zaza AND going into the lux tax or (b) giving up Kirk or (c) finding a way to give up Marvin. Even if it was worth giving up Zaza for Dalembert, it is definitely not worth giving up Zaza AND going into the lux tax. I am not giving up Kirk for Dalembert. And Marvin … well, you find away to give up Marvin (at his current contract) without having to give away additional assets.
c'mon man
December 21st, 2011
10:25 am
Truth B. Known
I like your list but i cant see boston keeping it up at a high level.. To old and no bench.. Compressed schedule hurts them too. 3 players on that team will be retiring in the next 3 years.. I dont think the legs can hold up but they are a 6 seed in my book. Now the bucks, idk man, good center good gaurds but i dont have faith in them.. i look at brandon jennings as a poor man D rose kinda but he cant be all they have to offer. salmonds is good but i just dont see them higher than Atlanta.. Look I hate Atlanta management as much as the next guy but truth is.. they did a pretty good job this offseason considering that Joe Johnson has raped atlanta and will do so annually for the next 4 years.. I like our bench I like our starting 5, yea a center would be nice but other than Miami and New york we have the best starters in the east.
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
10:25 am
You would think with Sund and LD, they would have a bench stacked with experience. Right now, we’re still looking at the potential of 5 rooks on this roster; 5 guys that will not help this year. If this were such a make-or-break year like Gearon has stated, rooks would not be part of the picture. I would be 3 deep with vets at every position.
J from the A
December 21st, 2011
10:27 am
Even more to the point: DeShawn Stevenson may be better than Tracy McGrady … maybe, soon enough we shall see what Tracy McGrady will bring.
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
10:27 am
Correction- Drop “Stack” and sign Stevenson.
Ken Strickland
December 21st, 2011
10:28 am
TRUTH BE TOLD-You started your 3:07am post off with, YES, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES, and then you proceeded to prove it with your lies and misrepresentations about what Dwight alledgedly said. What’s so stupid about it is you actually expect anyone else to believe that BS. You aren’t the only one to ut those words in Dwight’s mouth, but so far, not one of you has been able or willing to provide any proof whatsoever.
Your feable attempts to make a point by telling obvious lies and resorting to misrepresentations reminds me of a person who’s just run out of gas about a mile from a service station. But rather than walk to the service station to get the needed gas, and then walk back to the car, he tries to push the car all the way to the service station in order to cut the walk in half. Like you said, STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES!
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
10:35 am
Dalembert is LAZY with a BAD attitude….The Sixers give him away.
http://robqink.blogspot.com/2010/06/sixers-unload-dalembert.html
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
10:40 am
^^gave
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
10:48 am
Top 4 in the East this year, as the rest don’t matter:
Heatles
Bulls
Celtics – they’re not done yet!
Hawks
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
10:51 am
The Bulls DEPTH WILL BE GONE NEXT YEAR….
http://www.hoopsworld.com/chicago-bulls-team-salary
They will look alot like the HAWKS NEXT YEAR……WEAK BENCH BUT A STRONG CORE.
The new NBA is here.
c'mon man
December 21st, 2011
10:52 am
KevinM
the knicks are Waaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy better than the celtics.. C’mon man. Melo, BD, Tyson, Amare.. C”mon Man!!!!
Heat, Knicks, Bulls Hawks in that order
Dukester
December 21st, 2011
10:53 am
@ J from the A and Rufus1. Do you agree our biggest weakness is Rebounding and tough interior defense? Zaza as never provided that. Rufus as far as Dalembert having a bad attitude. So does Josh, Joe’s attitude passive, Marvin has no heart, All players come with issues. But we need rebounding and shot blocking in the last 5 minutes of a playoff game that could tilt the game our way. Right now we have some 20 mil tied in Zaza, Hinrich(hurt) and Marvin. I am saying at what point in time do we address the most basic part of fundamentals. Earlier in this article Larry Drew spoke about not covering the perimeter shots. Im saying if we had a guy that could hold his own on the post we might could defend better on the perimeter instead of crashing and running all over the court chasing passes.
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
10:53 am
And the Hawks in the 4th slot due to Jeff Teague alone!
They barely overtake the Knicks and the Sixers.
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
10:56 am
c’mon man…..if the backcourt doesnt matter, than the Knicks are better. So Tyson Chandler for Chauncey Billups makes them a Top 2?
But the Knicks backcourt? Really? How are they going to stop the Heat, the Bulls and the Celts?
O'Brien
December 21st, 2011
10:58 am
J from the A,
Deshawn Stevenson has been mentioned by quite a few bloggers. As a matter of fact, Gearon said Stevenson put Dallas over the top, so I asked MC if he gets a chance to follow up with Gearon, to ask him why not go after Stevenson then.
One reason I don’t think they will is 1) He will likely put us into luxury tax (if not Stevenson, they should go after Bogans) and 2) Stevenson has a strong personality. The Hawks stay away from people like that for fear they may ruffle feathers.
I would love to have either Bogans or Stevenson backing up JJ. That way, we can limit JJ’s minutes, and keep him fresh for the long haul.
O'Brien
December 21st, 2011
10:58 am
MC,
Do you know how many teams in the league have more than 1 captain? And depending on the number, could you ask LD if he felt having 3 captains were successful last year, and if he will do that again this year?
I am curious to hear his feedback.
c'mon man
December 21st, 2011
10:59 am
KevinM your killing me man,
Jeff teague alone.. This is teague were talking about, yes probably the best PG atlanta has had since mookie blaylock but still just teague. He showed signs of promise in the playoffs yes but i promise you that if you insert half the nba’s teams starting point gaurd on our roster we would be more or less the same team.. the sixers Wont make the playoffs..and the Hawks arent better than the knicks.. C’mon Man!!!!!!!1
Truth B. Told
December 21st, 2011
11:00 am
I think you may have mistaken me. Neither of my automobiles ran out of gas. In fact I wasn’t driving. I was in my library making sure I can correctly spell words like feeble.
feable
At least we agree on something, stupid is as stupid does. Thanks for the shout!
Dukester
December 21st, 2011
11:02 am
@Kevin M I will say this what Tyson Chandler will bring will be so valuable. Its amazing how so many people dont value rebounding and defense in the paint on a basketball court. Look at the sports with goals and nets. Hockey,Soccer and Basketball. They all have a bracketed area around the goal, they all have a player that his job his assigned to defend that goal. The teams that do the best defending usually wins.
O'Brien
December 21st, 2011
11:05 am
Imagine how deep this Hawks team would be if we had added Reggie Evans (who signed for the vet min) and Stevenson or Bogans (who probably won’t cost much)?
C – Al, ZaZa
PF – Josh, Evans, Benson
SF – Marvin, T-Mac, Vlad,
SG – JJ, Bogans or Stevenson, Pape Sy
PG – Teague, Pargo.
That’s 13 players who LD can rotate and mix and match depending on the opponents, and SG and PF would be positions of strength.
Oh well. Typical ASG always missing out on the right moves.
As for the season, I think Hawks will be competing for the 3-5 seed.
Dukester
December 21st, 2011
11:07 am
@cmon man. You said the name Mookie Blaylock and do you know we had at center Dikembe Mutombo!! If it wasnt for Jordan and bulls I think we could have went to the finals with that team. If we had one more scorer to go along with Steve Smith we could have had a better chance to beat Chicago that year. By the way I love Teague and I think he will have a come out year. Dont know if he will get us pass 4th tho. LOL
c'mon man
December 21st, 2011
11:09 am
KevinM
They signed Baron davis there front court is okay…
But to flip your question who’s front court is better? NY, BOS, CHI, MIA, only one close is miami.. but even them its not a gimme
MIA NYC
C-? C- Tyson Chandler
PF- Bosh PF- Amare
SF- James SF- Melo
my opinionis advantage NYC
c'mon man
December 21st, 2011
11:16 am
Dukester
Yea i remember Mutumbo, smith, mookie, Christian, all those guys.. but even if we would have beat the bulls… never could that have happened but even if we did the Jazz or the kings would have killed usin the finals.. And i have atlanta at the 4th seed. no way there getting higher than that.
Dukester
December 21st, 2011
11:18 am
Yea watch how Chandler clean the glass and block/change shots. And he can run!!! Please a sure 10 pts 12 boards and 2 blocks a night is so priceless. Your perimeter players dont have to work as hard.
vava74
December 21st, 2011
11:20 am
c’mon man
December 21st, 2011
11:09 am
You conveniently forget about Wade which is, IMO, by far the best player in MIA…
Lebron is veeeeeery good, but only until the going gets tough. Then, he folds, time after time after time.
MIA must become – again – Wade’s team.
I saw recently the Finals’ mini movies and it was always Lebron talking in the huddle and before and after games.
Wade was sitting back waiting for the disaster to happen so he can regain full control over that team.
When that happens, and Lebron becomes his formal (factually he already is) side-kick, they will have a much better chance at wining it all.
Truth B. Told
December 21st, 2011
11:27 am
c’mon man
December 21st, 2011
10:25 am
Truth B. Known
“I like your list but i cant see boston keeping it up at a high level.. To old and no bench.. Compressed schedule hurts them too. 3 players on that team will be retiring in the next 3 years.. I dont think the legs can hold up but they are a 6 seed in my book”
A famous writer through his character once said, ” the rumors of my demise are greatly exaggerated”
The energy Boston needs come from the guard spot. Boston is a master of the half court game and the set shot. Those are some of the tools that get you into the late rounds of the playoffs.The level of knowledge and skill will keep Boston in the hunt. I might be more inclined to agree that Boston is vulnerable in the playoffs, but I think they are just too smart and talented not to win games at a good clip. Doc Rivers is the wild card that keeps them in the hunt.
NO? AKA a troll who refuses to use his real LOL moniker.
Howard has been open that he wants to compete for the championship. Hes voiced that he wants out of Orlando to do that. A trade appears imminent.In the summer he made 2 more commercials with Josh, bringing the total to 5 commercial in which there is a Josh and Howard connection. They are both natives of the ATL.
Howard has made it clear that he wants to compete and the first name mentioned on his short list is Josh. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
Can you prove that he hast said he wont come to Atlanta?
Don’t be weak and naive to think that a players every desire or opinion is spelled out in the press. (I’m not talking about you ken Strickland)
In the words of an Al Horford interview before he resigned where he talked about why he wants to play power forward rather than center…
” Ya’ll figure that Ch!t out”
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
11:36 am
cmon, man…One thing I will agree with you on…the Knicks usually play the Hawks well, especially here in ATL.
Now, the Knicks are built inside-out and with the exception of Orlando, the rest of the conference is outside-in. I think the majority of the conference has it right, but the Knicks could sneak into a playoff HC advantage for one series. I’m impressed with how the Knicks wrangled to get Chandler, but they will miss Chauncey.
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
11:37 am
@Dukester
The Hawks problems are mental and coaching(IMHO) and not physical. Josh is a bad decision maker(mental), not a bad teammate. Josh is also a great teammate with a good work ethic and a great shot blocker.
Marvin is soft(Mental), but BIG ,ATHLETIC and a great teammate .
Kirk and Zaza are the only TOUGH minded WARRIORS we have on this team, that have proven they can contribute.
Dalembert is not a TOUGH minded WARRIOR…He is a 7ft , shot blocker, who is LAZY with a BAD ATTITUDE…I will have to pass at 7mil.
darrell starks
December 21st, 2011
11:38 am
Coach LD blue print 2 success, Coach for defense first, and stay with the big lineup the hole year, bring Marvin of the bench to balance the team.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Ken Strickland
December 21st, 2011
11:42 am
RUFUS1-I guess that report clears up any doubts about why the 76ers got rid on him, why the Kings couldn’t give him away, why they ended up letting him walk, and why he’s still available. He certainly wouldn’t start ahead of Horford, and I’ll bet he’d make an issue of that. Have any of you Knick lovers taken a look at their roster, besides Carmelo, Amare and Tyson? It’s a joke.
Bibby should be deciding whether he should choose Medicare part B, and BDavis hasn’t bothered to lose weight or get in shape for a normal regular season in over 2yrs. Does anyone know anything about their backup center, or even heard of him? Some of the same NEGATIVE MINDED INDIVIDUALS who keep making an issue of the Hawks bench, seem to conveniently omit any mention or knowledge of the Knicks almost nonexistent bench when rating them as high as a potential #2 seed.
Chandler is going to have his hands full, and them some, trying to cover for Bibby and Byron. Let’s face it, these 2 were DEF liabilities even when they were in their prime. Other than TChandler, I Believe PG TDouglas might be the only other player on that entire roster than can come close to impersonating someone playing DEF. Amare will block a shot or 2 here and there, but that’s about it when it comes to his DEF.
And Carmelo, PULEEASE. But according to some of our bloggers, these 2 stars, plus TChandler, are going to single handedly overcome this yrs schedule, a nonexistent bench, NO DEF, and every other Eastern Conference team except the Heat. Talk about believing ALL THAT GLITTERS IS GOLD. I could be putting too much weight on our improved perimeter DEF, but I just can’t overlook how well we did with MBibby playing major mins as our starting PG, even though he was both an OFF and DEF liability.
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
11:42 am
Truth, if there is an INKLING that you can consider bringing in D12, give them what they ask for and make it happen quick. To deal him to a division foe would be unheard of, because first of all Sund wouldn’t even give an offer worthy enough, and 2nd, Orlando isn’t doing that for ATL…he is going to be moved out of the ECF is anywhere. The Lakers are far from out of this one. They do not like getting trumped in their own city, which is very rare.
Truth B. Told
December 21st, 2011
11:45 am
http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/12/dwight-howard-wants-andre-iguodala-monta-ellis-or-josh-smith-in-orlando/
Dukester
December 21st, 2011
11:45 am
@Kevin M You are on the money sir with the “built inside out comment” Its so amazing how many people on this blog and in ASG dont understand that concept. It wins rings!!! Only 1 team has been able to win without that philosphy!! The pistons and we are set up the same way they were without the players.
Folks its over we must change this philosphy we have. Some here ask why I suggest Sam Dalembert its not that I like him. Id rather had Chandler, Nene in that order. But players like that dont fall out the sky you have to over pay for them!! See Kwame Brown. Bloggers keep saying Dalembert is noth worth 7 mil, folks thats minimum wage for 7ft rebounding shot blocking centers there is no other way around it. Of course thats too much for the per se. But gas is too high for the quality of it today also but we are still buying that water!! Funny part is some bloggers are starting to sound like Sund saying not to give up on over paid core players who are not worth the money. But right now the hawks need to give up whatever they can to get 10-12 boards a night. And Al Horford has already said he is not doing it.
Truth B. known
December 21st, 2011
11:46 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/982112-dwight-howard-why-superman-will-be-taking-his-talents-to-the-city-of-angels
Dwight has been on record saying that he loves the city of Orlando and would love to remain there. The Magic can even offer him the most money and an extra year. In addition, he seems like he is a loyal guy and the Magic are entrenched in the playoffs with him.
However, Howard wants them to pick up more contending pieces, and with the players on the roster currently, it seems unlikely that they pull off a blockbuster for a player like Monta Ellis or Josh Smith. Dwight wants to play in Orlando, but he wants to be on an elite team in Orlando.
vava74
December 21st, 2011
11:47 am
People are simply going overboard with Chandler’s influence.
Yes, he is very good, but his effects were marked in a TEAM and the NYK are not a team, they are two “me-first” volume shooters and little else.
These guys will not work harder on D because they have Chandler, they will work LESS.
The Knicks will start ± 8-12 for their first 20 games and then the finger pointing will start.
darrell starks
December 21st, 2011
11:47 am
2011 ATLANTA HAWKS
STARTERS JEFF, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, COLLINS
BENCH PAPE, TMAC, MARVIN, VLAD, ZAZA
RESERVE PARGO, BENSON
STREET CLOTHES ASG, SUND
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
O'Brien
December 21st, 2011
11:48 am
As good as Chandler is (defensively), the question is how many fouls will hge have to commit when the perimeter guys get beat, and he has to cover for them?
As for the Knicks, they have very good individual players, but I’m not sold on their team. They have no depth (plus D’Antoni likes to run), Amare is one hard foul away from a knee injury, and they make no effort to play defense.
Maybe Mike Woodson can get the players to buy in on defense, and Toney Douglas and Tyson Chandler are not that bad. But until I see it, I won’t believe it.
I dont think Knicks will be pass the Hawks this year. I see them competing for the 5-6 seed.
Truth B. known
December 21st, 2011
11:49 am
Trading Josh to get Howard wont work because Josh is on his short list. Trading Al, however works.
darrell starks
December 21st, 2011
11:50 am
Josh playing at the 3 give the Hawks a big advantage in the post, no body at smallforward can stop Josh in the paint.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Another GM
December 21st, 2011
11:51 am
In reagrds to Dalembert and him wanting 8 mil for a year, heck Kwame Brown signed for 7 mil with GS and he is nowwhere as good as Dalembert. Look at the centers around the league and there is less than 10 that are legit centers in this league. Daly is a legit 7-0 and averages around 8/8/2. Plug his size and athletic ability into the Hawks lineup and you have a major team upgrade.
But the bottom line is the Hawks are not gonna go over the cap for anyone except D12, they already proved that with Chris Paul.
Truth B. known
December 21st, 2011
11:53 am
KevinM, I can see your point.
If the Truth B Told, hes not coming here not because its not doable but because we dont have the management to make that happen. Not because he is against coming here.
Big Ray
December 21st, 2011
11:54 am
Truth B. Told ,
If we could land Dwight, it would be priceless. It would also force us to get a different head coach sooner rather than later, is my guess.
But I don’t see a division rival doing that, much less the one that we knocked out of the playoffs last season.
darrell starks
December 21st, 2011
11:54 am
JOSH WOULD AVG 20 POINT A GAME EASILY PLAYING THE 3, ONLY IF PLAY IN THE PAINT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Big Ray
December 21st, 2011
11:55 am
If the Truth B Told, hes not coming here not because its not doable but because we dont have the management to make that happen.
….and there it is.
Dukester
December 21st, 2011
11:57 am
@Another GM I agree with all of your points. I also dont think the hawks should go into luxury tax unless its for D12. But we do need to build with a defensive center. I dont care who it is. If he can plug the lane I want him. Until then we will be 4th spot 2nd round bow outs.
Truth B.Known
December 21st, 2011
11:57 am
Big Ray, understood, agreed. It still needs to be pointed out that is could happen and its doable.
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
11:58 am
OB sees it like I do re: the Knicks….now can the Hawks surpass the Celtics for a 3 seed? That would be a huge boost and no media member sees the Hawks surpassing the Celtics…and it is time to do just that.
The schedule is just weird this year….we only see the Knicks in Philips and we have a 2-1 advantage versus Boston out of the gate. Plus, we see neither until March!
What was our record last year in back-2-backs? Did we ever win both? If I counted right, we have 17 back-2-backs and 1 trifecta.
2 FOR JOHN DREW
December 21st, 2011
12:02 pm
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH NO !!!!!! No Grandad …. How can I function properly, How can I balance Ken Strickland, Slim Jr., Big Ray, Najeh Davenpoop, DrMaryB, etc. (even darrell starks) ….w/o the intellectual, influential, bloggiliously insightful GRANDAD ….. My daily blog entertainment value has decrease a huge 10% …. I don’t think this is working out ….. HELP GRANDAD !!!!!!!!!! ….. (LOL)
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
12:06 pm
JOSH WOULD AVG 20 POINT A GAME EASILY PLAYING THE 3, ONLY IF PLAY IN THE PAINT.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Joe Jeff Leuer outside
Josh Bogut inside
Leuer Bogut rebound
Josh + Joe + Teague on the break (Joe can trail)
Leuer trailing Bogut
Alley oops + Transition 3s!
J from the A
December 21st, 2011
12:06 pm
O. Brien: How could have I forgot Gearon mentioning DeShawn and the pursuing conversation?! Thanks for the reminder.
darrell starks
December 21st, 2011
12:10 pm
Share your trade
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7kkmwob
SUPERMAN WOULD COME TO ATLANTA IF JOSH IS HERE.
This is a good trade for both team plus give them 2012 and 2013 first round pick.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
darrell starks
December 21st, 2011
12:15 pm
STARTER TEAGUE, REDICK, MARVIN, JOSH, HOWARD
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
J from the A
December 21st, 2011
12:19 pm
Pending injuries to the Hawks, I see the Hawks as a clear 3 seed. (This could change depending on player movement, in particular Dwight.)
1. Bulls (solid starting five, good bench, great coaching)
2. Heat (LeBron, Wade, Bosh, plus an improved support cast)
3. Hawks (maybe the most rounded starting five in the East, lack bench, superstar, and coaching)
4. New York (Chandler will help improve already good team; lack depth, even w/ Chandler may not be strong enough defensively)
I don’t really think 5-8 really matter. Top 4 could change depending major trades or major injuries.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 21st, 2011
12:20 pm
Surmised!
Hello Ken Strickland, besides my Dalembert rants of the pas two FA seasons, you nailed the truth about Samuel down with an excellent surmise.
Nuff Said about Dalembert right there! Next big man look puh-lease.
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
12:22 pm
I think Sund would rather move Josh to Orlando than us getting D12.
That is realistic here.
Did you know the Magic brought in Malik Allen and Larry Hughes as well? That team might be a PF away from being very good again. Their amnestying of Gilbert was huge.
Big Ray
December 21st, 2011
12:26 pm
It’s crazy to bypass the idea of Howard going to the Nets and it not catapulting the Nets to another level altogether.
You put a great PG with a great C, and what do you suppose will happen? Yes, the Nets would give up a lot in exchange. But they’d have then addressed the two most important positions on the floor, with a superstar and a guy who might be a superstar (Deron Williams). The rest is filler, and those spots are ALL easier to fill (SF, PF, SG).
Not only that, but the Nets have a GOOD head coach.
Such a transaction might make things a tad easier for us in the southeastern conference (we still have Miami to deal with), but not in the EC overall.
Big Ray
December 21st, 2011
12:27 pm
KevinM,
I think it has nothing to do with what Sund would rather do, and everything to do with what Gearon would rather do, and their constant evaluation of the value of this team, which despite what Gearon says, they will sell at the first solid opportunity. Remember when he and the rest of the seven dwarves said they were oh so sad about selling the Thrashers, but would never sell the Hawks? Before we could blink twice, there was a pizza guy at the door…..
Big Ray
December 21st, 2011
12:28 pm
Sund = pinocchio puppet willing to have his strings pulled in any direction necessary until he can retire and become a real boy.
O'Brien
December 21st, 2011
12:36 pm
From hoopshype;
After a buyout of reportedly $1.5 million, half of which was reportedly covered by the New Orleans Hornets, the Hornets have signed Mexican center Gustavo Ayon, the player said in a press conference in Spain on Wednesday and sources later confirmed..
And the Hornets dont even have a buyer. I’m impressed by their decision (although I have no idea what kind of player the guy is) to spend that money. He is listed at 6′10, 245 lbs.
I will give the Hawks some credit. They did buy out Sy’s contract for $125K last year
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
12:38 pm
I will take Kmartin…
BigTimeTECHFan
December 21st, 2011
12:48 pm
I just have a feeling this will be a big year for the Hawks but
If Miami big 3 stays healthy they will be hard to beat. NY will give Miami most trouble, They are very nice up front, and Shumpert and Douglas may be sleeper help for them. Josh Harrelson will pound anyone fom Miami.
Chicago will not be any better then last year.
No
December 21st, 2011
12:56 pm
Teague hurt ankle. Season over?
O'Brien
December 21st, 2011
1:05 pm
Knowing the rules in China, why did these players decide to play over there?
Aaron Brooks, Kenyon martin, JR Smith to name a few. They won’t be allowed to return to the States until Mid Feb when Chinese basketball season is over.
superiorblogman
December 21st, 2011
1:06 pm
Anyone questioning what Dalembert could have done for this team is a fool. Go look at his rebounding rates as a starter and look at Zaza’s and you will see the clear difference. When Zaza has started for the most part during a season his rebounding rates have suffered because he isn’t a starter. Daly on the other hand continues to strive. Put him and Horford together and if Horford maintained his rebounding rate along with Josh we would have the beast frontline. Zaza is a overpaid backup with a stinking attitude himself. Finally, that Hinrich trade continues to hurt this team, we gave up all our depth for a stopgap. One of the worse trades in Hawk history. I would much rather have Bibby backing up Teague, much rather have Jordan and whoever we would have took in the 1st round coming off the bench. Much rather have Mo Evans as a minimum player than Stackhouse and maybe even T-Mac at this point. Sund and the ASG are horrible and most of you posters don’t have a clue
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
1:10 pm
Heat
Bulls
Pacers
(Dwight’s ORL/NJN)
Hawks
76ers
Celtics
Knicks
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Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
Jameer.SG.Smith.Andersen.Howard
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
1:11 pm
“Anyone questioning what Dalembert could have done for this team is a fool.”
wouldn’t he move Josh to the 3 point line to space the perimeter, thus be counter-productive for offense?
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 21st, 2011
1:17 pm
Steer Clear!
“Dalembert is not a TOUGH minded WARRIOR…He is a 7ft , shot blocker, who is LAZY with a BAD ATTITUDE…I will have to pass at 7mil.” -Rufus1-
________________
Listen to Rufus1 on here, you put a nice bow on that truth re: Dalembert. I saw where Samuel was openly complaining to the media about no playing time. Between his incessant non-stop whining and Cousins’s “tude”. Their head coach was having migraines.
The knock on him in Philly was that he was a cancerous whiner in that locker room as well. Extremely lazy and in the Summers, Samuel refused to bend over and pick up a basketball to work on his offense. An all around headache, IMHO. I did extensive research on this guy two years ago.
I guess we will go to war with what we got, once again. An ECF appearance is about the most I will expect from my Hawks this season. That would be an improvement.
JJ
December 21st, 2011
1:23 pm
Hollinger projects Hawks to finish 33-33, 9th in the East. Says they miss the playoffs by a game. Here’s the insider writeup:
“The Hawks won 44 games and made the second round of the playoffs in 2010-11, but that’s misleading. They gave up more points than they scored in the regular season, went 10-17 after the All-Star break, lost one of the top sixth men in free agency and didn’t do much to replace him, and will be without Kirk Hinrich for nearly half the season.
Pressed face-first against the luxury tax thanks to the bad contracts they lavished on Joe Johnson and Marvin Williams, the Hawks were left to fill in around the edges with veteran retreads such as Tracy McGrady and Vladimir Radmanovic. These weren’t bad pickups for the price, but they don’t offset losing Crawford and Hinrich.
On the plus side, Jeff Teague takes over at the point after breaking out as a slashing, scoring guard in last season’s playoffs, and Al Horford (25) and Josh Smith (26) provide a solid foundation as a frontcourt. Smith, however, is frustrated and spent the offseason angling for a trade.
Atlanta’s bench looms as a major weakness; past editions of this team weren’t deep, either, but Crawford and Zaza Pachulia often gave them an advantage against opposing second units. I can’t see that happening with the current group, especially with McGrady likely to be the backup point guard until Hinrich returns. (Pape Sy, who has been talked up for this spot, has no chance of keeping it beyond the second quarter of the first game.)
As a result, this is going to be a harder slog for the Hawks than they might think, especially with a schedule that does a short-benched team few favors. Unless they’re blessed with outstanding health, they’re in danger of falling out of the playoffs entirely. After three straight trips to the second round, that’s going to be a jolt. “
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
1:23 pm
Big Ray, oh to have the talent you have for putting things in perspective…..good stuff.
IMO, Sund can say they moved Josh because they had an opportunity to move a roster position that was costing the franchise and he couldn’t turn down that offer for what he’ll term ‘cap flex’.
I do understand Gearon is the linchpin, and nothing he says or stands for even makes me flinch in his favor. It is Sund that does the negotiating in these trade deals, and hopefully he has more say than Dell Demps, haha.
I will say that there is no way Joe or Al would be moved to anyone no matter the offer. These guys are untouchable and are held higher than any other Hawk. While Josh and Jeff fill roles that make this team go, its Al and Joe who get credit for being ‘consistent’.
Josh might be moved if Otis could come up with a sweet enough alternative. I would ask for any production I could get from the remaining roster.
I will be watching Gabe Pruitt and Daniel Orton in tonight’s game looking to see if they have anything to offer a rotation. It looks like the Magic will be trying to use Anderson and rook Justin Harper in the Rahaad Lewis role of knocking down 3 pointers.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2011
1:26 pm
I got a hunch! A Hunch? Just a gut feeling that the Hawks out the gate will be improved over last years model even with the bench issues that have been discussed around the horn, 24 by 7 that baring injuries they will make a run at the 1 or 2 seed? Hey Slimjr are you mad????????????
“Crazy is as Crazy does” Author Unkown……….Sheesh…
GO Hawks in the East and GO Clippers in the West!!!
JJ
December 21st, 2011
1:26 pm
Hollinger’s predicted order of finish:
1. Miami
2. Chicago
3. Boston
4. Orlando
5. Philadelphia
6. Indiana
7. New York
8. Milwaukee
9. Atlanta
10. New Jersey
11. Washington
12. Detroit
13. Toronto
14. Cleveland
15. Charlotte
Slimjr
December 21st, 2011
1:30 pm
Hollinger’s predicted order of finish:
HAWKS NINTH?????????????????????????WTF?????????????
Get out the cordless screwdriver and tighten this bozo’s screws asap!!!!!!!!!!!!! Aye Captain!!!!!
No
December 21st, 2011
1:33 pm
Is that Hollinger list a joke?
vava74
December 21st, 2011
1:34 pm
“From hoopshype;
After a buyout of reportedly $1.5 million, half of which was reportedly covered by the New Orleans Hornets, the Hornets have signed Mexican center Gustavo Ayon, the player said in a press conference in Spain on Wednesday and sources later confirmed..
And the Hornets dont even have a buyer. I’m impressed by their decision (although I have no idea what kind of player the guy is) to spend that money. He is listed at 6′10, 245 lbs.
I will give the Hawks some credit. They did buy out Sy’s contract for $125K last year ”
I don’t think its possible: the maximum buyout contribution by a NBA franchise is 550K if I am not mistaken.
ASG
December 21st, 2011
1:36 pm
why don’t you morons quit griping about the mangement and team and go to the games and buy lots of hot dogs, beer and jj jerseys!
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
1:37 pm
Slim, now that is more like the national media that we know…he is predicting the wheels are going to come off under LD. If you said that on this blog, you would be incarcerated!
Reviewing the Magic/Heat game this past week and noticed that D12 had 5/6 in 29 min…..it reminded me of someone we have on our team….and I don’t mean Al….
And with the All-Star game in ORL this year, how in any way could they even consider moving D12? They are supposed to be getting their mojo back from their Finals run back in ‘09. Their season would implode if D12 left prior to AS weekend.
Harry Hawk
December 21st, 2011
1:39 pm
We accomplished our franchise goal last season: beat the Magic in a playoff series.
After something like that, what’s left?
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
1:40 pm
FYI, Charlotte just had to do a buyout for Biyombo: excerpt:
“Fuenlabrada said Monday that Biyombo had agreed to pay the $1.5 million clause that will free him from the remaining two years of his contract. The Bobcats agreed to pay $525,000 of that — the most allowed by international rules — according to Rod Higgins, Bobcats.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2011
1:42 pm
All NBA has got to understand that his talents are more so needed at the 5 not the 4! We need 10-15 bds. a night, 8-15 pts. and throw in at least 1 bpg….
Sit this dude down Coach Leisure Suit and have a one on one session with this Mr. AllStar!
He will comply. He wants to win Championship on the professional level we’re sure! Sacrifices must be made by individuals in order for success to come to yourself and to your teammates..
Don’t be afraid Coach!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is all……
We don’t need him at the 4? Comprende?
Truth B.Known
December 21st, 2011
1:43 pm
So the question of the day is still What can we get for our 6′10″ center who is rumored to be insisting on a move to power forward?
Since the real athletes are only interested in coming to atlanta if the keep superior talent like Josh and Al want to play the 4 give me good reasons why we should not give Al his wish and trade him so he can play the 4?
JJ
December 21st, 2011
1:44 pm
No joke. Straight from the World Wide Leader website. No one is too high on these Hawks. Especially with the short bench and tight schedule.
doc
December 21st, 2011
1:49 pm
again every indication we peaked two years ago with woody and are on a slide until the playersmake it otherwise by their actions on the court. i am still not going to commit to what i think are the numbers but thinking somewhere around .500, which is all they were at best down the stretch last year. we have done nothing to bolster a fading line up. i really just have to echo my friends, big ray, o’b etc. on what this organization has done to undermine themselves.
sadly, i can already hear them begin to put the blame on others once it becomes clear to them that the core is oversold and overpriced, uh, which they did, not any of us here.
somehow the fans who didnt drink the kool aide and by the product as flawed as it is and jeff schultz will be the problem.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2011
1:53 pm
Hey Gearon’s Hawks aint getting any love from the National Media or local for that matter…
Man I wish I was a betting man!!! Looks like easy pickins this year?
I hope the Hawks shock the world with a 10 game winning streak right out the gate!
It would be less Tim Tebow talk more Hawks talk around the nation?
Its up to LD and All NBA.. Those two have got to be on the same page….
Harry Hawk
December 21st, 2011
1:54 pm
I think the Hawks will go 36-30 and make the playoffs. Yippee.
sameoldshi*
December 21st, 2011
1:57 pm
So it looks like we are going to suck again. Damn, for once I would like to be a contender. Signing JJ to that insane deal was horrible! That said… they are still my team. Win or lose.
Slimjr
December 21st, 2011
2:00 pm
ASG
December 21st, 2011
1:36 pm
“why don’t you morons quit griping about the management and team and go to the games and buy lots of hot dogs, beer and jj jerseys!”
Hey Genius, haven’t you heard? Gearon is fixin to open up his new 2 million dollar Steak House at Philips called “Reds” as in the RED State of Georgia. They have expanded the menu down there, OKAY BUBBA?
And if this restate market don’t come back soon it’s going to turn into a Blue State….lol
Melvin
December 21st, 2011
2:04 pm
Good thing we signed Pargo b/c Teague hurt his ankle in practice…. Yikes…
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
2:05 pm
Slim, check out these odds…….
http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/sports/hawks/nba-odds-2012/
Hawks projected at 40-1 behind Portland!
Slimjr
December 21st, 2011
2:09 pm
“Good thing we signed Pargo b/c Teague hurt his ankle in practice…. Yikes…”
OH DAYUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My high ankle sprain took two freaking months to heal several years ago on an offensive rebound/put back in the paint amongst the trees……Sheesh……..
Slimjr
December 21st, 2011
2:14 pm
Yes Kevin, 40-1= next to impossible? LOL
KevinM
December 21st, 2011
2:15 pm
“The bad news our of training camp today was that Jeff Teague rolled his ankle, forcing him to miss the last portion of practice. While there are no official updates on the severity of the injury, Teague did leave the court on his own power and will take on the generic “day-to-day” label.
Apart from Teague’s injury, today’s practice seemed upbeat and crisp. The team ended practice working on their offensive sets, and there were noticeably less hiccups than there were a week ago.”
Slimjr
December 21st, 2011
2:18 pm
And in some sorta unrelated basketball news, word on the street has it that Lamar Odom has hooked up Kobe(his best friend) with his sister in-law? Guess which one? lol………………………
Hey where’s the entertainment reporter today? On vacation or something?
No
December 21st, 2011
2:22 pm
Injuries are awful since this season is like 4 months long. Cannot afford any injuries. Forfeit the game tomorrow and everyone rest up
Ken Strickland
December 21st, 2011
2:36 pm
DRMARYB-What’s up DREAM GIRL? Don’t feel bad about Dalembert. Before Philly traded him to the Kings, I campaigned endlessly for the Hawks to acquire him. Apparently, Hawks management must have known what everyone else has now found out, and that is he’s a cancer that’s not worth the money or the headaches he causes with his attitude and laziness. And let’s face it, he hasn’t made any team he’s been on better, neither as a starter or backup.
I think Hawks management had already decided not to make any major moves until next yr. I believe they wanted to see what they have in Teague, and even Benson. They would also like to find out who will end up having the best season and be our most value trade asset before making a move, which makes sense to me. With LD being in the final yr of his contract, I also think they want to see if he’s really who they want as HC before making any major financial committments, or player acquisitions.
As far as the 3 players Dwight wants to play with are concerned, who besides Dwight could Orlando possibly offer their teams that they would possibly want?
Slimjr
December 21st, 2011
2:36 pm
Memo to Jeff Teague: STAY OUT OF THE PAINT! THOSE STIFF’S WILL GET YOU HURT..TRUST YOUR JUMPER..
SHOOT 500-1000 MIDRANGE JUMPERS PER DAY. YOU’LL EXTEND YOUR CAREER..
The Hawks cant afford to lose you for an extended period of time Sir! Short season…..Very…
Najeh Davenpoop
December 21st, 2011
2:43 pm
I don’t agree with Hollinger, but it’s not like his take is a unique one. Sekou thinks the Hawks will fall off too, and I am willing to bet a handful of people at TNT and ESPN agree.
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
2:56 pm
Hawks not make the playoffs….REALLY?
Didn’t he predict the Hawks wouldn’t make the playoffs last year? That is the purest definition of “HATE”….Maybe he thinks the Hawks forgot how to play basketball in the offseason… :0
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
3:12 pm
Every Year the Same Predictions..
They say the Hawks won’t make the playoffs or fall off every year…. The REGULAR SEASON doesn’t MATTER…JUST GET IN.
MARC STEIN’S PREDICTIONS 2010
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/preview2010/news/story?page=Predictions1011-Stein
Astro Joe
December 21st, 2011
3:14 pm
Six days until a real Hawks game. Feels like six weeks to me.
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
3:17 pm
Chris Sheridan 2010
Chris Sheridan, ESPN.com | Sheridan’s picks
Still boggles the mind that this was the third-best team in the East last season, going by regular-season record. Then the playoffs happened, and we saw what they were really made of. They are still playoff material, no doubt, but they’ll be road kill again if they face Boston, Miami or Orlando in the first round. Southeast: 4
East: 8
JJ
December 21st, 2011
3:21 pm
@Rufus1:
Looks like they all predicted the Hawks would finish 5th or 6th except Sheridan who predicted 8th. Hawks finished 5th. Not sure what that proves.
I personally don’t think the drop off will be that bad. I figured 35 wins in the shortened season and that actually equates to about the same % as last year. They were on pace to win 48 last year before that 6-game slide to end the year.
I think they finished about 9 games better than the Bucks who were 9th so that’s a pretty big swing, especially in a shortened season. I’m thinking 35 wins gets you the 5 or 6 seed.
JSS
December 21st, 2011
3:25 pm
Any news on Teague’s ankle?
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
December 21st, 2011
3:25 pm
“NO? AKA a troll who refuses to use his real LOL moniker.”
LOL, there’s nothing more ironic than a troll calling another a troll.
Tremaine
December 21st, 2011
3:25 pm
Jeff Teague sprained his ankle in practice. It’s a good thing the Hawks picked up all that depth in the offseason.
realtalk
December 21st, 2011
3:27 pm
Larry Drew is weak and does not have a pair. Josh Smith was an All-Star under Mike. Mike left and Josh Smith lost his mind. Larry Drew lost more games last year than the previous year. The only reason they made it to the second round is because of the experience that these guys have playing together. Orlando has a washed up team now. We still do not have a squad that can put us past Chicago, not even mentioning the Heat. Look at NY now, what will we do against them this year.
Tremaine
December 21st, 2011
3:30 pm
realtalk- cosign
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
ESPN 2011 NBA playoff predictions..
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6360850
Please read what he says about Dallas, Grizzles and the Hawks and then tell me this person is an EXPERT….This fools picked the Nuggets in the WCF.
I know 2 things….My PG is BETTER and my BENCH is BETTER.(I didn’t great) and that sounds like a better team.
realtalk
December 21st, 2011
3:35 pm
I hate to say it but the Hawks will probably finished 5th in the East this year. They have still not made any moves that solidifies that they want a ring. Too cheap to pay a luxury tax. Their coach has no balls and is weak. And Josh Smith will continue to cost us games. Where is our big man??!!! Pay the damn luxury tax!!
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 21st, 2011
3:37 pm
Killin-Ger!
Jeff done stirred up the hornest nest! LOL! I can see Gearon, Jr now – he’s probably kicking his tires! Ha Ha!
Hey, opinions are what they are – everybody has one.
___________
SlimJr! I know dayum well, ain’t nobody trying to pin the tail on donkey-butt … But, Kim do got a “donk” – LOL! Isn’t her stuff beyond the expiration date by now?
Ya think … Lamar is hooking Kobe up with one of Bruce’s lil girls? How old are the other spawns? LOL!
Kobe is not the ladies favorite though, what a jerk.
realtalk
December 21st, 2011
3:39 pm
Rufus, does that article really have LA vs CHI in the finals? what? LA is missing their back up guard and SIXTH man now…. Odom played a big role for that team…he was basically the 3rd 7 footer….those dude will still be good but they wont be that good…and if something happens to Bynum, its a wrap
realtalk
December 21st, 2011
3:41 pm
What about the Bucks this year? Are all of their players healthy…because they gave us a hell of a run in the playoffs a couple of years ago…
O'Brien
December 21st, 2011
3:44 pm
Its one thing to think the Hawks will be in the bottom 4 of the playoffs (5-8), but to miss the playoffs entirely? C’mon Hollinger.
I think the only way that happens is if we have major injuries.
Sorry to hear about Teague’s ankle (didn’t he get hurt against the Bulls in the playoffs too). Let’s hope he doesn’t turn into another Acie. Just when Acie started to play well, he got hurt. And after his injury, he was never the same, and Woody treated him as such.
Hopefully, Teague will be ready to go for the regular season.
JJ
December 21st, 2011
3:45 pm
@realtalk: Those were predictions for last year’s playoffs. Rufus is just pointing out that these so called experts are anything but.
As for this year, I don’t agree with them but I also see their point that the bench is weaker and other teams got better. However, I still like our starting 5 and think they will get us into the playoffs as a 5 seed with 35 wins.
JJ
December 21st, 2011
3:47 pm
@Rufus1: Not sure how you can say our bench is better than last year when we lost one of the best 6th men in the game. Even with JC1’s shortcommings, he was and is still an improvement over the T-Mac/Rad combo.
Tremaine
December 21st, 2011
3:57 pm
Hawks probably finish with the 4 seed and management will use that as an excuse to keep the CORE together again.
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
4:21 pm
@JJ
Kirk, Pargo, T-Mac, Zaza, Twin, Benson, Rolle and Vlad> Jamal, Damien, Powell, Etan, Zaza and Twin.
As good as Jamal was on OFFENSE, he was just as bad on DEFENSE. Last year we had on person on our bench who could score, this year we have 3(none are as good as Jamal). We can bring off the bench Perimeter defense, shot blocking, 3pt shooting and rebounding. We could not make these statements last year…This a better bench.
The SUM of our BENCH will be GREATER than JAMAL.
PS. The Bulls brought 1 scorer of the bench (Korver), Teague shut him down and we still lost. We LOST to their benches perimeter defenders LOCKING DOWN Jamal and Joe, their rebounders clearing the GLASS and their SHOT BLOCKERS protecting the RIM.(IMHO)
WHO CARES !!!!!
December 21st, 2011
4:22 pm
WHO GIVES A $HIT ???? THEY NEED TO BE IN SEATTLE, NOT HERE !!!!!
THIS IS A WORTHLESS TEAM IN A WORTHLESS LEAGUE OF THUGS !!!!
WHAT KIND OF IDIOT WOULD WASTE $ ON THIS CRAP ?????
Ueeediot..
December 21st, 2011
4:35 pm
he’s probably 5′4″^^^^^ with small feet too…
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
5:02 pm
What about the Bucks this year? Are all of their players healthy…because they gave us a hell of a run in the playoffs a couple of years ago…
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That was with Ridnour carrying a bulk of the minutes of inefficient like guards Jennings.
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
5:17 pm
A good discription of the Hawks..
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/powerrankings
Ken Strickland
December 21st, 2011
5:19 pm
RUFUS1-Excellent points and well said.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
5:24 pm
Who cares about the current bench or Jamal? Marvin Williams is a starter. How many times will the incompetent Marvin Williams swing it to Smith for 3?
Johnson is going to have to go back to ‘08 form. Not that it will make ATL a champion caliber team. And I use the word team lightly.
These individuals want to be split. A roster change is in order.
Big Ray
December 21st, 2011
5:27 pm
Truth B. Told ,
For one thing, Al has the accolades and is a good guy on and off the court. Translation – Gearon likes him a lot, which means he is loathe to move him.
For another, you don’t get the accolades Al has by accident. So if you’re going to give up a guy who has made the all-star team and all-NBA….you better be getting something that helps you in both the short and long term. Otherwise, you screwed up. Teams don’t give up guys like this unless that guy wants OUT and they stand a chance at losing him with no compensation, or unless they are convinced that they can get better by moving him.
First, it takes some creativity and actual keen basketball knowledge….Gearon clearly lacks this. He doesn’t understand that the roster is unbalanced….STILL. He also doesn’t get that you don’t promote an assistant coach to head coach just because your most talented players say they want him to have the job. If you do that, you’re letting the inmates run the asylum and ignoring such things as resumes of guys who have already done the job. What about LD made Gearon think he was most qualified to be a HC over guys like Dwayne Casey and the Little General (Avery Johnson)?
Back to Horford…he has the potential to get better, and he WILL get better. The question is how . If him getting better means being a better post player, then trading him is not likely to be a good idea. If he’s going to get better as a stretch 4 type of guy, then I say trade him and get all you can. Because Josh is NOT a hit a SF, and never will be. He’s a better 4, much like Tyrus Thomas.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
5:28 pm
Sam Dalembert’s 2-year deal w/ Houston pays $7M in ‘11-12, w/ team option for $7M in ‘12-13, sources say. If option declined, $1.5M buyout.
Big Ray
December 21st, 2011
5:33 pm
Now….there is plenty about Sund to make one think that giving him free reign ain’t the best idea. But…he knows more about how to run things than Gearon ever will.
What is so frustratingly baffling about Gearon is the fact that he wants to hoard this core all to himself and not break it up, but he refuses to even listen to his own GM (who, as I heard it told, wanted Dwayne Casey for HC) when it comes to acquiring a totally different guy who might actually be able to get more out of these guys than anyone else has.
But no….he won’t do it. And it will take a failure by this group to move away from the Woodson/Drew “sameness” that we keep seeing.
Aggravating. But we’ll deal with it again.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
5:35 pm
What do you mean Horford WILL get better and trade him if he becomes a stretch 4?
Again, the stretch 4 is a player, who can stretch the defense to the perimeter and guard the 4 position.
young Rashard Lewis, Dirk, Ryan Anderson, young Brian Cardinal
Rasheed Wallace, Detlef Schrempf, Tom Gugliotta, Jon Leuer
The problem is Horford will never be a stretch 4.
vava74
December 21st, 2011
6:02 pm
I prefer Najeh’s stretch 4…
vava74
December 21st, 2011
6:02 pm
… Also Dominicana!
Ken Strickland
December 21st, 2011
6:19 pm
RUFUS1-Matt Moore must be extremely sentimental and values past accomplishments if he rates the Celtics, Spurs and Knicks ahead of the Hawks. Here’s why I say that.
CELTICS-Without going into depth, they must have the NBAs oldest starting lineup, and their bench has very little height, size, or scoring potential.
SPURS-They are now so thin a SG that Ginobili is now starting. Here are their backups(Starters)
PF-NBonner(TDuncan)
PG-TJ Ford, Cory Joseph(TParker)
SG-Gregg Neal, James Anderson(MGinobili)
SF-Kauhi Leonard, Daniel Green(RJefferson)
OC-DeJuan Blair(Tiago Splitter).
KNICKS-Their bench is even less of a threat than the Spurs. Here are their backups.
PG-MBibby, BDavis(TDouglas)
SG-Iman Shumpart(Landry Fields)
SF-Bill Walker, RBlackmon(CAnthony)
PF-Jared Jefferies, Chris Hunter(AStaudemire)
OC-Jerome Jordan, Josh Harrellson(TChandler)
And you say the Hawks have a weak bench? Most of the players on the Spurs and Knicks bench are unknown, and there’s very little scoring potential on either bench. The Celtics starters are just old and fragile, and their bench is lacking in size and height. These 3 teams will fall victim to the rigors of the condensed schedule for a variety of reasons.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 21st, 2011
6:24 pm
What he Learned?
The most significant coach Drew said about this team in an interview after the Bulls won round 2 was:
“I learned some things about this team that I never knew as an assistant” -paraphrased Drew-
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I would love to hear what he learned and how that will change his coaching perspective this year. And, from the tone in his words – they weren’t good things of praise.
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MC? When you have an opportunity can you please ask coach Drew what it is he learned about his players after being the head guy last season? And, how will he approach things differently?
One thing is for sure, Drew will be coaching for his job. Who is Drew? What is he worth?
Ken Strickland
December 21st, 2011
6:26 pm
I just found out I won’t be able to see the Hawks gm since it won’t be shown on NBA TV.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 21st, 2011
6:50 pm
Fox Sports South
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 21st, 2011
6:58 pm
Nique & Bob?
Bob “spider monkey” Rathbun says, “Bang! Jamal hits a three and he was fouled on the play!!! He’s the all time leader on 4 point plays!”
I will miss that. And, Bob says, “tricky dribbles.”
I for one, can’t wait till the season tips off.
STRETCH
December 21st, 2011
7:03 pm
Blazers now NOT interested in signing Joel Przybilla.
Anyone on here know anything about this guy? Hows he doing these days?
Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html#ixzz1hDVNuv9n
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
7:06 pm
You guys do know the Spurs are in the Western Conference…
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Strickland, it seems those are the teams that this Moore feller would take over our little barnstorming squad in 7 games.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
7:09 pm
STRETCH- A stop gap center who was past his prime and has contemplated retirement several times.
He comes to Atlanta he’s s not going to anchor your defense, he’s not going to delude himself into thinking he’s some sort of final piece, he’s not thinking championship and you will complain when he averages 2ppg.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
7:12 pm
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
Mario.Wade.Lebron.Bosh.Joel
Rufus1
December 21st, 2011
7:22 pm
@Ken
I think these NBA analysts look at the “STARS” on a roster and make a prediction based on who’s their favorite player.
Age doesn’t matter.
Position doesn’t matter
Injury history doesn’t matter
They want their favorite players to be good so bad, that they make these prediction in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary….That is why I WATCH THE GAMES MYSELF.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 21st, 2011
7:22 pm
Fork!
Stick a fork in the Magic – they’re done. Dwight looks like his heart is not into it. The Heat are ballin’.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 21st, 2011
7:23 pm
Orlando…rebuild.
Jason Richardson and Quentin Richardson… I would have taken the NJN deal for Gerald Wallace and shopped Lopez.
in a few years… get some picks.
Eric Gordon
Iguodala
Gerald Wallace
Ryan Andersen
Emeka Okafor
doc
December 21st, 2011
7:30 pm
to those still pining away like having lost their lover over jordan crawford, the guy is till gunning at a 1-9 clip behind the arc and 9-31 overall. he will shoot hos way to the bench.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 21st, 2011
7:36 pm
User I’d!
Damn! Jeff.Joe – fix your sign on man. I can’t even read what the hella you’re tryin’ to say? I scroll past all your stuff. The first couple of words are typed over!
Take a blog etiquette call maane. Just call yourself:
Leur (homo?)
Sautee
December 21st, 2011
7:41 pm
Big Ray,
“For another, you don’t get the accolades Al has by accident.”
That’s right Ray, it wasn’t an accident. It was a conspiracy by the other coaches to name Horford, so he would re-sign with us and we’d be stuck with an undersized center. Don’t you remember?
Or at least that’s was Truth B Told’s theory.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 21st, 2011
7:46 pm
They Know!
Hello doc dear!
They know JC2 sux … some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining. Move on people, there is nothing to see here. (rubber necking) loL!
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Have Miami made any significant upgrades? They will compete with the Bulls for the 1 spot. Hawks could slide into the 3 spot if they stop shooting themselves in the foot with all those dumb HERO plays, (ahem … Josh?).
Jesse
December 21st, 2011
7:50 pm
Bring back Mario West.
doc
December 21st, 2011
7:53 pm
dmb i am afraid pargo is going to miss em as well as jc2 would. just think he will stay more in the mode of the team though and less a loose cannon.
Michael Cunningham
December 21st, 2011
7:56 pm
new blog is posted. shutting down this thread.