Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 12

Here’s what Larry Drew had to say today about Jannero Pargo, who was officially signed and immediately designated the backup to Jeff Teague:

“Very similar to Jeff, he’s a point guard who can score. But the experience itself is very valuable.”

In my assessment of Pargo last night, I didn’t note that he does have a pretty good scoring rate. In fact, his per-36 minute scoring averages over the last five seasons are comparable to what Jamal Crawford provided last season.

And in the context of the Hawks, Pargo’s experience is valuable. It was not feasible to start the season with one of Pape Sy, Donald Sloan or Brad Wanamaker as the backup point guard, especially since the schedule is so demanding. So adding a veteran, even a marginal one, provides some stability for the Hawks.

But if the goal was to add some scoring punch to the bench on the cheap, the Hawks got a scorer who is less efficient than Jamal because he doesn’t shoot as well and doesn’t get to the line as often. As John Hollinger wrote in his assessment of Pargo (Insider): “He can be useful if a team is desperate enough for shot creating that it doesn’t really care so much about the accuracy of said shots.”

Pargo’s career turnover and assist rates are also lower than Jamal’s. Pargo does represent an upgrade defensively and is a better rebounder (even at his size) but that was going to happen with most replacements. I guess Pargo can help with Drew’s plan to be a more energetic defensive team but he’s too small to play the two on any kind of regular basis.

In any event, we’ll see what Pargo can do on this team. He sounded enthusiastic about getting his next chance with a good squad.

Kirk [Hinrich] is out so you need somebody that can come in and spell Teague a few minutes here and there and help that second unit not drop off as much from the starters,” he said. “I think I’m a guy that can come in and provide energy, defensive effort and hopefully help win some games.”

Pargo said his experience should help him quickly learn Atlanta’s offensive and defensive systems. He got a crash course on the offense today and so far likes what he sees: “Great stuff. A lot of passing, moving, cutting, backdoor. I think it’s a great offense so hopefully I learn it pretty quickly and get acclimated here.”

Camp report

  • Drew’s assessment of last night’s game after breaking down the video: “I thought there were some pretty good things but I also thought we reverted back to some old habits. We have got to be a little more focused if we are trying to do some things different defensively. We have to understand exactly what we are trying to accomplish. As I told the team before the first practice, I don’t want to be a team that sits back and lets the other team do what they want to do. I want to create havoc. In order to do that you have to have everyone on the same page.”
  • Charlotte got a lot of clean looks from the 3-point line last night, even when the Hawks had starters on the floor. “The concern was the effort to get the 3-point shooters,” Drew said. “As I told the guys, we have to exert our energy from the start of the shot clock till the end. It’s going to take multiple efforts. There were possessions where that didn’t happen and as a result Charlotte got some open looks.”
  • Drew said the Hawks have been better with closing out during drills: “I’ve seen guys come from one corner to the other corner. Last night, a guy at the elbow just watched the guy. It has to become habit-forming. When playing against a team that is a 3-point shooting team, you have to be on your horse. You have to be committed to taking that extra step.”
  • Hinrich participated in a 3-point shooting drill with Pargo and was making them at a high clip. He said he still lacks strength and full range of motion in the shoulder.
  • My fantasy basketball team name: Pick-and-Pape Sy.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

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Truth B. Known

December 20th, 2011
7:04 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

December 20th, 2011
7:04 pm

“He got a crash course on the offense today and so far likes what he sees: “Great stuff. A lot of passing, moving, cutting, backdoor. I think it’s a great offense so hopefully I learn it pretty quickly and get acclimated here.””

He knows he signed with the Hawks, right? He seems a little confused.

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
7:09 pm

“As John Hollinger wrote in his assessment of Pargo (Insider): “He can be useful if a team is desperate enough for shot creating that it doesn’t really care so much about the accuracy of said shots.”

What do you mean “accuracy of said Shots”! Can this dude make a jumper or not?

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
7:14 pm

“Drew said the Hawks have been better with closing out during drills: “I’ve seen guys come from one corner to the other corner. Last night, a guy at the elbow just watched the guy. It has to become habit-forming. When playing against a team that is a 3-point shooting team, you have to be on your horse. You have to be committed to taking that extra step.”

Stood there and watched like a DEER in Headlights sorta Coach Drew?

If you guys cant Defend the perimeter shots, then look out it will be a very long abbreviated disappointing season for Gearon’s Hawks….

Its not Atlanta Hawks, its Gearon’s Hawks….

Grandmaster JeJe

December 20th, 2011
7:16 pm

Not ONCE in the entire Q&A with Gearon does he EVER say “Our ONLY goal is to win a championship. Anything else is not acceptable.”

Instead he says we should be competitive and entertaining (yeah being entertaining sure was a goal of the Pistons and Spurs, both of whom are boring as hell to watch, HAVE RINGS, and coincidentally, are the teams Sund is “modeling” us after”). He also has the nerve to trash OKC, DAL, Orlando, saying they haven’t been to the 2nd round 3 years in a row. ALL THOSE TEAMS HAVE RINGS OR HAVE BEEN TO THE CONFERENCE FINALS.

Then he says the team isn’t for sale but that if an offer comes along it could be.

What a joke.

As unemotional and objective as MC is, I am sure he was thinking that Gearon is a joke too and that he sufficiently wasted over an hour talking to someone without a firm grasp on reality

AMNESTY GEARON AND THE REST OF ASG (WHAT IS THEIR NEW OWNERSHIP NAME?)

Grandmaster JeJe

December 20th, 2011
7:16 pm

I believe Joe Johnson and Pargo were teammates at Arkansas

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
7:17 pm

“you have to be on your horse.”

What kind of Horse do you ride coach Drew?.. We’ll pool our monies and rent ya one to ride on outta here! lol

Michael Cunningham

December 20th, 2011
7:20 pm

@JeJe: yes, one season at Arkansas. Pargo also played with Kirk in Chicago. it’s in the print story, now linked.

superiorblogman

December 20th, 2011
7:21 pm

Meh, no cuts? How are you going to go into Thursday with all these guys on the roster? Someone needs to get cut so you can give the remaining guys sufficient minutes to see what they can do Thursday.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 20th, 2011
7:22 pm

Thanks MC.

I remember reading Phil Jackson’s book about the tumultuous 2003-2004 season and it was very hard for him to cut Pargo, who I believe was in tears when he found out (haven’t read book in 5 years or so)

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
7:36 pm

FYI, the Lakers and Clippers play a rematch Wed night @ 10:30pm! Watch how CP3 penetrates the Lakers defense at will to score the ball or throw spectacular oops to DeAndre!!!

He will again dismantle the Lakers and make it look easy doing it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
7:38 pm

CP3 crossed this rookie defender twice in one move! I thought he almost broke dude’s ankles at the foul line!! Wow…..

I MUS WRITE

December 20th, 2011
7:42 pm

TMac,Radmonavich,Pargo,Benson,Zaza,Sye…….Above average bench i would say. Wannamaker,Sloan,Johnson,Stackhouse-Thanks fellaz see you next October.

I MUS WRITE

December 20th, 2011
7:43 pm

Slimjr whats good fam

MattP

December 20th, 2011
7:50 pm

I.Johnson better make the team. He really did great defensively which is what you want coming of your bench. I even think he will bring some Offence coming off the bench later on once he gets use to playing NBA level guys. Shocking for the Hawks they will have someone coming off the bench that can rebound. He did great rebounding for playing only 17 mins.

Fickle

December 20th, 2011
7:51 pm

The best thing that could happen is an injury to a starter, and then our depth plays a huge role.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 20th, 2011
7:51 pm

Gotta agree with FreshFromATL on previous blog. CP3 has always looked pudgy (at least in recent memory)

Truth B. Known

December 20th, 2011
7:58 pm

I did not see any link to Jannero Pargo playing at Arkansas with JJ. Do you have a link for that MC? Or am I wrong in saying that the two played together?

Grandmaster JeJe

December 20th, 2011
8:00 pm

Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t Gearon the one who brought his kids into the Thrashers’ locker room on one of their birthdays right before a playoff game so they could hi-five the players?

SMH

Truth B. Known

December 20th, 2011
8:01 pm

darrell starks

December 20th, 2011
8:02 pm

Man you can see the potential in PAPE SY, why every time a young player is on this team the coaches always stunt there growth, PAPE SY NEED TO STARTE AT BACKUP POINT GUARD, Woody, LD will never change there colors. I guarantee if JC2 was still playing for Hawks he would be in street clothes SMH.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

December 20th, 2011
8:05 pm

Teague only got his chance because of Hinrich injury SMH, Dam boy it’s good thing LD is in last year of his contract.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Dawg

December 20th, 2011
8:14 pm

Gerron is a joke. The Hawks organization can not even be mentioned in the same sentence at Dallas. The management of the Mavs want to win. Gerron assumes that the public is dumb enough to believe his snarky comments.

fcnatl85

December 20th, 2011
8:29 pm

Good addition considering what is available and the lack of experience of Sloan and Wanamaker. Sy might find some success more as a wing player…but does he have a shot?
I would love to add Bogans as a defensive specialist as i do not beleive that this team can carry T Mac and Stack together…

Melvin

December 20th, 2011
8:30 pm

Watching the Bulls/Pacer game. Pacers look awful. Maybe they need more time to get their chemistry together or the Bulls are just that good. However, I like Roy Hibbert. I would take him over Bogut and Lopez.

Ken Strickland

December 20th, 2011
8:32 pm

I MUS WRITE-Don’t forget MRolle and twin. It looks like our early season 4 man guard rotation is set with JJ, Teague, Sy and Pargo. I believe our 12 man roster will be the starting 5, of course, along with Zaza, Collins, Radmanovic, Rolle, TMac, Pape Sy, and Pargo. Benson, along with Sloan or Wanamaker, and maybe another player, will be on the inactive list.

It’s a given that we won’t have anyone on our bench that can even come close to matching Jamal’s scoring. However, we’ll hopefully get enough scoring from a combination of TMac, Radmanovic, Pape Sy, and Pargo. Their DEF alone with help compensate for the pts he allowed with his NO DEF. I think it’s a mistake to think TMac was brought here to replace Jamal. He was brought here to replace DWilkins as our SG/SF swing man off the bench. Actually,.no single player can replace Jamal’s scoring. It will have to be done by committee.

Even if Teague starts out with a PPG and APG simular to what Bibby produced, his DEF alone with make him a vast improvement.

DARRELL STARKS-It looks like you’re going to be wrong again this yr as well. While there’s no doubt about you being a Hawks fanatic, you also seem to be star struck. You will elevate any team about the Hawks if they sign or trade for a big named player, or a player you like. I don’t know how in the world you could place the Celtics ahead of the Hawks. Their age alone, and the stress of this yrs condensed schedule, plus their lack of depth, will eliminate them.

Their starting center is former MASH candidate JOneal. Can you name their backup center now that Big Baby is gone? And isn’t PF Green scheduled to have heart surgery? And what have the Pacers done to overcome last yrs 3 wins in 4gms. The closest they came in those loses was 10pts. They don’t have a solid SG, and their backup center, Foster, is no match for Zaza inside. Even Rolle would be a good matchup with him. Adding DWest is definitely an improvement, and adds depth at PF. But will West be able to dominate, out play, or contain JSmith?

All things being equal, Miami and Chicago are the only Eastern Conference teams that can be considered better than the Hawks at this point.

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
8:35 pm

I MUS WRITE

December 20th, 2011
7:43 pm

“Slimjr whats good fam”

Whats up I MUS WRITE? Good to see ya back on the blog. Its been a while…

You know G-Dad threw in the towel today…He could not take anymore of the Three Stooges(Gearon,Sund,and Larry) ..Gonna miss the old basketball coach and his point of view on these blogs..

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 20th, 2011
8:43 pm

Collins is consistently injured. He played less than 600 minutes last year. What are you an idiot?

JJ is going have to go back to 30% Usage of the offense for 40mpg.

Wabe

December 20th, 2011
8:48 pm

I miss Jordan Crawford…

Folks always say it’s easy to replace 2-gaurds, espeically undersized 2-gaurds. But, it’s difficult to do that when your management group settles on borderline D-League players to fill out the roster.

Jordan Crawford’s a baller.

hawks_4_life

December 20th, 2011
8:50 pm

MC

What fantasy basketball league are you in? I didnt see your name in ours.

Also didnt LD say the same thing regarding the team reverting back to the bad habits for the open practice. If so what is being done about it because talking about the fault wont get it done.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 20th, 2011
8:51 pm

The Clippers just got Reggie Evans. Great pickup for them, and good thing they got him after getting rid of Chris Kaman to avoid any locker room awkwardness.

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
8:52 pm

Didn’t JC2 drop 39pts. on DWade last season? Yep he’s a baller alright!

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
8:54 pm

“The Clippers just got Reggie Evans. Great pickup for them”

What are the Clippers trying to do? WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP?

What a novel Idea!

Grandmaster JeJe

December 20th, 2011
8:59 pm

We should sign Gadzuric

FIRE SUND

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 20th, 2011
9:00 pm

Going … Gone?

My Grand-Daddy is upset right now, so he blew the whistle and threw in the towel. But my Grand-Daddy ain’t no quitter. So, I predict this:

When G-Daddy reads A comment that pisses him off again? Like Arnold Sachwartzenager – “He’ll be back.” He can’t help it … He loves this blog adrenaline.

Just give him a couple of days to calm down and delete the ASKG from his mind, heart and spirit.
______________

Well fellas, looks like it’s gonna’ be another white christmas where we see all the other kids get new stuff and we get re-wrapped gifts from seven years past. (smh)

Was it me, or did you guys see the same players making the same habitual bad plays? Will Josh and Al ever play inside again?

Grandmaster JeJe

December 20th, 2011
9:00 pm

Jc2 will score points, take a ton of shots, and do nothing else. Leave him alone, ppl. Hes not that good

Luke Cage

December 20th, 2011
9:03 pm

Rockets passed on Samuel Dalembert, think we should look at signing this guy. If anything he could easily be an 8pts 8rb 2blk per game with the Hawks, plus he’s pretty long and agile still at his age…………..TAKE A CHANCE MGMT!!!

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
9:09 pm

Still scratchin my head that All NBA had zero,zilch, nada, no rebounds last night? huh?

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
9:13 pm

And Josh please stop shooting that fade away jumper(air ball) please. That’s All NBA’s new shot hes been working on in the off season! He has not presented it yet. But thanks for giving us a clue to what it may look like….lol

northcyde

December 20th, 2011
9:14 pm

SMH @ Evans signing for 1 year – 1.3 mill . . . basically the league minimum.

A guy who could’ve instantly come in here, and instantly become the best rebounder on the team, because that’s ALL he really cares about doing.

But he goes to the Clippers. Wow.

That team gets one draft pick that becomes an instant all-star . . and make one major trade . . and the entire fortunes of that franchise has changed dramatically.

Meanwhile, Gearon touts how we get to the 2nd round every year, even if our record in the 2nd round is 2 – 12.

And you wonder why people don’t like your azz.

Michael Cunningham

December 20th, 2011
9:14 pm

@hawks_4_life: “MC What fantasy basketball league are you in? I didnt see your name in ours.”

i’ve been in a league for about six years with some Miami media guys. i didn’t see your league but i only have time for one. don’t want to be that absentee owner that everyone gets mad at.

Macaroni Tony

December 20th, 2011
9:16 pm

I like the Jannero Pargo pickup, it gives our team another veteran. Also I still believe that we need another big man.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 20th, 2011
9:16 pm

Seriously, if the Hawks could bring Evans and Zaza off the bench, they wouldn’t even need to run an offense for the second unit. Just let the second unit guards throw up as many bricks as they want, send Zaza and Evans to the glass to get the offensive board, and keep repeating until someone gets fouled.

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
9:21 pm

2-12= .166 winning percentage..Absolutely abysmal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Gearon you really want us to buy this ish???????????????????????????????

Slimjr

December 20th, 2011
9:25 pm

Thunder fixin to sweep Dallas. Up 10 in the 3rd….

Grandmaster JeJe

December 20th, 2011
9:30 pm

Quite a few nice PGs still unsigned.

Wonder where DeShawn is going.

Gadzuric is a solid rebounder…..

I wonder what LAC does with all those PGs. I will be shocked if Mo makes it through the whole season there. If they can wisely trade his contract for a piece, they’ll be in very good shape.

I am not completely sold on Chris Paul though. He looks Mike Bibby-esque with his physique – no homo. He looks out of shape

brigadierjerry

December 20th, 2011
9:34 pm

Wow Reggie Evans basically got 1.3 million. The Hawks couldnt offer him that?Of course but they are worried about hitting the luxary tax.

Slimjr whats up?you suprised by chris paul against the Lakers last night?He did the same thing to them in the playoffs. That is what Chris Paul does nothing new.

Grandad, I am sure after you cool off you will be back. I enjoy your perspective on things. I can understand your upset. Hawks are like the wife that gets smacked around by her husband but always comes back hoping for something different.

Ken Strickland, right now if you were to rank the Eastern conference how would you rank the the top 8 teams in the conference. This really a question for all Hawks fans

brigadierjerry

December 20th, 2011
9:35 pm

Enter your comments here

northcyde

December 20th, 2011
9:40 pm

Jordan Crawford: 18 pts – 6 rebs – in 29 minutes

Oh . . he was 6 – 21 FG though.

Still wouldn’t mind having him here.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 20th, 2011
9:42 pm

This is my Eastern Conference prediction for the end of the year.

Miami
Chicago
New York
Atlanta
Indiana
New Jersey
Milwaukee
Boston

This is partially based on the assumption that Dwight will get traded to the Nets in midseason.