Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 9

So today I was telling Larry Drew it looks like the team’s decision on which of the young point guards to keep is an important one. Because that player is likely will actually have to take on a significant role on a team looking to the playoffs until Kirk Hinrich returns.

I guess my usual reporter’s stoicism was betrayed by my skeptical expression.

“I’ve got my hands full,” Drew said. “Is that why you are giving me that look?”

Yeah, he got me. The candidates are a second-round pick who hardly played last season, a rookie free agent and a D-League star. It could be that one of them is a player but it’s not the best situation for a good team looking at a break-neck schedule to start the season.

But unless the Hawks eventually decide to add a veteran, this is where they stand. I can tell you Pape Sy, Brad Wanamaker and Donald Sloan all have looked strong at times during training camp, but what happens when the Hawks actually need them to help win real games?

We may soon find out. The Hawks get two exhibition games to evaluate them and then it’s time to start the season.

“Right now we are staring at one of these younger guys being the backup,” Drew said. “Yeah, you can swing Tracy [McGrady] to a little one and Joe [Johnson] can bring the ball up, too. That’s not something you are looking to do on a permanent basis, a 66-game schedule. We can’t ask that of Tracy or Joe. So we are really taking a look at the young guys: Sloan, Wanamaker and Pape.”

The good thing is all three players are aggressive going to the basket, though their styles differ.

Sy seems most comfortable catching the ball on the swing and then going hard to the hole before the defense can rotate and react–remember how many times Drew pleaded with his regulars to do that instead of shooting Js last season?. Sloan is explosive off the dribble and would be the only Hawks player other than Jeff Teague you could say that about. Wanamaker uses his strength to get in the lane and pre-draft reports rated him as more of a passer than Sloan.

I’m not sure how to evaluate their defense given that there’s not much to go on. In Sy’s case, it’s those cameos from last season and for Sloan and Wanamaker it’s a few minutes during these intrasquad scrimmages.

The rookies are smart, too.

Sloan: “Coming in I tried to grasp it right away that, ‘I need to be giving this man the ball, I need to be giving this man the ball.’ That’s my job, and coming in with a lot of energy.”

Wanamaker: “In order to make the team I’ve got to show Coach I know where the players belong and where their comfort zone is.”

Sloan tore up the D-League last season but he said it didn’t take him long to figure out this is different.

“It’s very physical, I will say that first and foremost,” he said. “The talent level is unbelievable, which I knew that coming in. You’ve got All-Stars like Al and Joe and even Josh [Smith] and guys like that. I am just taking it day by day and trying to learn something new each time I step between those guys, even Teague. It’s just a learning process.”

I liked Wanamaker at Pitt–I remember how he got in my Cards a couple times. His first step is ordinary but he looked good muscling by guys in college and is doing the same thing in camp. I’m curious to see how he does against bigger NBA guards–maybe we’ll see him vs. Gerald Henderson at some point on Monday.

“I have a nice body so I tend to use it a lot when I have an angle on the guy,” Wanamaker said. “Getting in the lane and making a play is my job, so that’s what I do.”

Both Sloan and Wanamker said they realize the Hawks are looking to keep a young guard. The Hawks have 12 players under contract, with all but Magnum Rolle and Sy guaranteed. But they’ve already invested a significant sum of cash in Sy–remember, they paid about $125,000 to buy out his contract with the French club and he made $473,604 last season.

Wanamaker said “competing for a job makes it funner” while Sloan said the decision is out of his control.

“It’s a great opportunity for me and Wanamaker, guys like that,” Sloan said. “To come in and adapt to change fast and take in everything they’ve been given us and execute at the same time. I think we’ve done a pretty good job of doing that. The decision will be on them at the end.”

Camp report

  • The Hawks released Charles Garcia and Zach Graham. The roster is now down to 16 before the first exhibition game at Charlotte on Monday.
  • The Hawks had a spirited scrimmage at the end of practice today, complete with trash talking and complaining to the refs. “It looked better than last night, that’s for doggone sure,” Drew said. “I didn’t sleep last night.”
  • What didn’t Drew like? “The minute the lights went on we reverted back to old habits. As I told the guys this morning before we started, they put in 10 really good practices where they did things with a lot of energy and a lot of urgency. And we reverted back to some old habits last night. A lot of things we worked on defensively, things we talk about—not just defending and stopping plays but causing havoc defensively–we didn’t play that way last night in the scrimmage. The minute the lights went on we thought about putting on a show for the fans.”
  • After appearing lethargic last night, T-Mac suddenly looked alive during the portion of scrimmage I got to watch. He was making shots, finding cutters with sharp passes and making quick moves to the basket. He bragged about it all, too.
  • Josh looked strong in the post and protected the rim with vigor. He drew a charge from Jeff Teague on a fast break. He did some talking, too.
  • Al Horford was better in the post than he was last night. He set up Zaza Pachulia with a couple shoulder bumps to the chest but instead of the spinning baseline J he went with a quick running hook that was effective. He got an and-1 out of it once.
  • Zaza and Vladimir Radmanovic worked a couple nice pick-and-pops. They seem to mesh well together. Zaza said Vlad, who is Serbian, doesn’t speak Russian like himself. “Our common language is English,” he said. Ain’t that America?
  • Teague had some shaky defensive sequences. Sy and Sloan had some blow-bys in which Teague just seemed to lose focus and Wanamaker just bulled his way past Teague into the lane. Teague’s shot hasn’t looked good yet.
  • Joe Johnson picked up where he left off from last night. He looks ready.
  • Sy seems to relish getting to the rim. His teammates seem to like that about him, too. I’m not sure if he’s not a better two but L.D. keeps saying he’s a one, so we’ll see.
  • Rolle didn’t finish practice because of plantar fasciitis in his right foot. “I tried to play through it but then I just couldn’t do it,” he said. “it got to the point where I didn’t t want to make it worse.” He said he wasn’t able to get the proper treatment for the condition during the lockout but should be back on the court after a couple days of care.
  • Drew said he still hasn’t decided how he will divvy out the minutes for the game on Monday. “I do know everybody won’t play,” he said. So we might already be able to draw some conclusions by who plays how much. That makes sense since roster decisions have to be made quickly.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

127 comments Add your comment

Astro Joe

December 18th, 2011
6:03 pm

MC, was Chris Quinn with the Heat when you covered them? Would he be any better than Wanamaker/Sloan/Dude Eating at The Varsity?

Grandad

December 18th, 2011
6:11 pm

Michael

Please tell me the hawks are lookin’ for a Big, somewhere.

Even if it’s a lie.

KevinM

December 18th, 2011
6:14 pm

G-Dad, I hear Leon Powe is interested…….

You told me I could lie to you! That’s better than Sund silence.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 18th, 2011
6:18 pm

Northcyde,

IDK how much I agree with that. MB and Schultz have written some excellent blogs on the team. Go read Bradley’s piece after the huge comeback win vs. CHI. Even if they don’t watch all the games,nit doesn’t mean their writing sucks.nthenworst blognI have read, however, is that we should offer ANY 2 players for Dwight. It’s an ide I’ve flirted with for a while but his blog seemed pretty unoriginL

Hue B. Brown

December 18th, 2011
6:23 pm

” Just heard the Hawks are adding D.J. Mbenga” (Bleacher Report)

Grandad

December 18th, 2011
6:34 pm

KevinM

I appreciate the subterfuge,
but Leon Powe is just another undersized wannebig.

He would be a nice fit if we had already had some legit Bigs.
Understand I’m not knocking Josh nor Al, or Powe even.
He falls in the same category of Big Baby Brandon Bass and the like.

Heck – it’s something though.
Thanks for trying.

I asked for lie and all I do is complain.

I sound like a republican.

Grandad

December 18th, 2011
6:36 pm

*Should have been a comma between Bg Bby, [&] Brndn Bss

Slimjr

December 18th, 2011
7:12 pm

“It’s [difficult] trying to get the interest of the casual fan that doesn’t know us and believes, ‘They really don’t spend money and they are not successful,’” Gearon said. “The last six or seven years, by our record, we are the most successful team in Atlanta.”

Still, the NBA’s superstars go elsewhere. Chris Webber doesn’t blame them.

Webber said players like Paul and Howard aren’t interested in Atlanta because the Hawks lack the kind of fan support that attracts them. He notes the sellouts are rare at Philips Arena and that when the place is full there’s usually wide support for visiting superstars—a reality that irks Hawks players and management.

“Atlanta, it’s a hard place to claim [for star players],” Webber said. “You have to have die-hard fans.”

But doesn’t the fact that fans come out to see superstars from other teams suggest they would do the same if those players were in a Hawks uniform?

“I remember when Dominique [Wilkins] played here,” Webber said, alluding to how fans didn’t always pack The Omni to see the Hawks legend. Lackluster attendance prompted the Hawks to play some games at New Orleans’ Lakefront Arena during the 1984-85 season.

Gearon said the Hawks already have an underrated star, five-time All-Star Joe Johnson.Gearon acknowledged Johnson’s low-key demeanor doesn’t cause a buzz but said he wishes fans would appreciate Johnson’s professionalism, which includes playing hurt without complaint.

In the summer of 2010 the Hawks signed Johnson to a six-year, $123.7 million contract. Johnson then had what he admits was his worst season since joining the Hawks in 2005.

“If you are paying guys like superstars, then you can’t ask me, ‘Why are superstars not choosing Atlanta?” Kenny Smith said.

You cant fool us or the FA NBA AllStars Mr. BIGS! lol

Truth B Told

December 18th, 2011
7:59 pm

Woody wasnt the greatest coach that every lived but he was good, and good for the hawks. He got exploited for not having a quality center. Periods. Having said that, to move from Woodson to Drew, Is a throw back to Forest Gump. Stupid is as stupid Does.

Drew is < Woodson.

another dumb move hawks.

Truth B Told

December 18th, 2011
7:59 pm

northcyde

December 18th, 2011
8:12 pm

Gearon and the ASG had a chance to make a big time statement with the hiring of Avery Johnson . . a guy that all basketball fans know about.

Instead, they promoted Woody’s assistant, Larry Drew

Even if he WAS the more worthy candidate and the players liked Drew more, the perception of that move meant ( to fans ) that ownership was not serious about turning a perennial playoff team, into a championship caliber team. That’s also a guy that could’ve become the instant “face of the franchise”, and brought this team instant credibility.

How Gearon and his buddies did not see this, I do not know.

Here is a quote from former ATL PG Anthony Johnson about Avery:

“He runs a tight ship, he cracks the whip and when he cracks it, you know it and feel it. Avery holds everybody accountable. Dirk (Nowitzki), if he’s out there messing around, he subs him out. There’s no situation where he allows guys to play through inconsistency or lack of intensity. That’s something that is welcome by all NBA players.” — Anthony Johnson, 2007.

Fans around here have long cried out for a coach that holds EVERYBODY accountable, from the last guy on the bench to the highest paid player on the team. Avery would’ve been that guy.

- experienced coach
- coached a superstar
- reached the NBA Finals
- won an NBA Championship as a player
- is one of the most recognizable faces in the league

All of the elements that would “sell” casual fans on the Atlanta Hawks.

Yet, the ASG & Sund did NOT hire that guy?

When you make decisions like that, you deserve whatever backlash from the public you receive.

Slimjr

December 18th, 2011
8:20 pm

Heat up 37 on the Magic tonight.Watchin the stream!

Magic in trouble this season? An understatement!

KevinM

December 18th, 2011
8:22 pm

Gearon had no intention of getting the best coach in here. He has Dwayne Casey, Mark Jackson, and Drew on his final list of candidates?
What an absolute sham that Gearon tries to pull off here. He wants fans who simply don’t hold him accountable for his moves because he says he is trying with all his resources to bring a championship team here.

I didn’t buy it when they arrived after trying to swindle McDavid, and it hasn’t gotten any better. Our big 3 is not a big 3. Gearon doesn’t know how to build a legit contender. If he did, Marvin would have been gone at the last negotiation table.

Astro Joe

December 18th, 2011
8:26 pm

northcyde, follow the money. It is really just that simple. LD (alledgedly) signed a low-budget offer that included some proration based on the potential work stoppage. And again, I think you have to consider the timing of LD’s hiring decision coming a year before the reported sale to Meruelo. I suspect that there decisions for the past 12+ months have been made much like a homeowner makes decisions when they know they are short-timers in that house. Avery likey demanded more money for more years. A cheap 2 year contract offers more “curb appeal” to prospective owners. Lastly, until the owners show some stability, we may not find a credible coach who will come here unless they are overpaid.

O'Brien

December 18th, 2011
8:31 pm

Northcyde,

Although Bradley only watches the Hawks during “big games”, it didn’t take him long to realize Marvin needed to go. In fact, he wrote about it in 2009.

Marvin Williams is the least essential Hawks starter. He scores points and takes rebounds but seems to leave no imprint on games, and one of the reasons Joe Johnson gets the ball with three seconds on the shot clock — or, worse, Josh Smith gets it 25 feet from the hoop — is that Marvin, four years a pro, still won’t assert himself.

I want to see Marvin not assert himself elsewhere next season. I want the Hawks to re-sign him — he’s a restricted free agent — and ship him and Acie Law to Washington for Caron Butler and Javaris Crittenton. The Wizards are looking to cut salary, so that part would work for them, and they’re also looking to get younger. Williams turns 23 on Friday; Butler is 29..

And if the Hawks had listened to Bradley, we would have been better off :smile: Instead, they resigned Marvin for 5 years, $37.5 mil, with the 5th year being a player option…SMH

O'Brien

December 18th, 2011
8:33 pm

And AJ is right. In one year, Avery Johnson probably makes what LD makes in all 3 years combined. Plus LD’s contract was only partially guaranteed (or pro-rated) during the lockout.

Astro Joe

December 18th, 2011
8:34 pm

If he did, Marvin would have been gone at the last negotiation table.

Kevin, Marvin had averaged around 14ppg/6rpg for the previous 2 seasons when he became a FA. And he was 23 years old and the team’s 4th option. Its one thing to say that he was overpaid, quite another to say that he should have been thrown off the team with that type of production at 23 YO.

Astro Joe

December 18th, 2011
8:38 pm

OB, I’m not sure. I’m personally giving Marvin another half-season to see if the back surgery makes a difference. I’m anxious to see if he can get back to that 14/6 level from a few years ao with less pain and possibly more shot attempts (without Flip or Jamal or someonelike them on the sqaud). And since I have no idea if his back injuries are related to “clumsiness”, I won’t assume that he will find himself hurt again this season.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 18th, 2011
8:40 pm

“And if the Hawks had listened to Bradley, we would have been better off”

Except for the Crittenton part.

Hue B. Brown

December 18th, 2011
8:56 pm

Marvin Williams needs to be on a team that runs plays primairily for him. He is a scorer!!!!

Grandmaster JeJe

December 18th, 2011
8:59 pm

Northcyde,

Don’t forget about our assistants. Bob Bender? I bet teams would laugh at the idea of having him as a coach.

ARE WE EVER GOING TO GET A LEGIT BIG MAN COACH?

F IT WHERE IS KEVIN WILLIS?

Dawg

December 18th, 2011
9:01 pm

The Hawks hire the absolute least expensive head coach and assistants. They also hired the absolute least expensive GM.

That was the only criteria that they searched for.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 18th, 2011
9:31 pm

“Marvin Williams needs to be on a team that runs plays primairily for him. He is a scorer!!!!”

That team would go 12-70.

O'Brien

December 18th, 2011
9:48 pm

AJ,

I’m anxious to see if he can get back to that 14/6 level from a few years ao with less pain and possibly more shot attempts (without Flip or Jamal or someone like them on the squad)..

A consistent 14 and 6 from Marvin would help the team tremendously. But despite there being more shot attempts, the issue is 1) Will he take the shots (or will he defer) and 2) Will he make those shots if he does take them.

I hope he takes (and makes them). If that happens, we might not hear from Rod very much :smile:

O'Brien

December 18th, 2011
9:49 pm

Doc,

Your boy Stuckey is about to get paid. 3 years, $25 mil from the Pistons. meanwhile, the guy we took (Acie Law) might be on his way out of the NBA…

J.J.M.

December 18th, 2011
9:51 pm

hes serbian huh? he probably was in “a serbian film”

Michael Cunningham

December 18th, 2011
10:06 pm

new blog is posted. shutting down this thread.