Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 7

Can we watch the Falcons on the computer like we could with the Hawks? Does anybody have a link? HOOK ME UP!

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Third … just to disrupt Rev’s 1-10.

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Rev in Tampa, the blog filter is eating my post, but try this link:

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myp2pforum.eu @ Rev. Its something like that.

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MC,

I know you have heard a lot of times already this preseason, but I have really appreciated the wonderful job you have done covering the FA/Camp season.

Haven’t been talking much. Just enjoying your write ups and everyone else’s commentaries, but now with everyone but Rev and I watching the Falcon’s game, what am I to do?

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Thanks fellas! The link works just fine. Now I won’t have to kick the dog.

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Nothing here worth discussing. True ignorance coming at this point. Case and point. Everything this week has been about running then we hear of possibilities of playing a broken down T-Mac at PG in big lineup situations. McGrady has no business playing PG for a team trying to push the pace and neither does Kirk Hinrich to be honest. Let’s be honest, the Hawks management ASG, Sund, and LD are just talking out of there backends. They don’t have the personnel to do any of the things they talk of consistently.

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I’m a little surprised that LD seems unconcerned with the lack of depth at pg. Does he have that much faith in Sy? LD’s practice has been to bury the “rook” at the end of the bench.

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myp2pforum is now forum dot wiziwig dot eu

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The Hawks play for a cheap butt organization. They can justify and explain but the bottom line is that are inept managers.

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Drew will have the ability to send out some very big lineups. How about McGrady, Johnson, Smith, Al Horford and Jason Collins or McGrady, Johnson, Williams, Smith, and Horford? “There are some different combinations I can use,” Drew said.

How about you stop BSing. Setting up Smith to be the scapegoat. Where’s Vlad in these lineups.

Smith + Vlad = Power 3 + Stretch 4

Keep Smith off the perimeter.

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New Orleans playing with new acquisitions?

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you guys think we should amnesty joe after his season and offer eric gordon a max?

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Some of you NEGATIVE MINDED INDIVIDUALS act like the Hawks have been a total failure as a team and organization. I don’t know about you, but our consecutive playoff appearances, and consecutive trips to the 2nd rd of the playoffs aint bad at all. And when you consider our history before Woodson was hired, it makes what we’ve managed to accomplish even more gratifying. But all of that doesn’t matter one bit if your mentality is geared exclusively towards the GLASS BEING HALF EMPTY APPROACH.

ASTRO JOE-Drew’s recent committment to running involves more than just Teague. Remember, this is the final yr of his contract, and he has to show improvement if he wants to return. He has no choice but to start Teague, after his breakout performance in the playoffs against league MVP DRose, and after management took away his 2 crutches, Bibby & Crawford.

Teague represents the best chance for the Hawks to have a breakout season and get to the next level, and save his job. And running will take full advantage of his talents, as well as the talents of his teammates.

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Ra’mon,

His future is as bright as any two guard in the league’s though. I’d take him over johnson any day of the week.

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Well playesrs can’t establish themselves if they ARENT GIVEN AN OPPOURTUNITY TO PROVE THEMSELVES SMH!!!!! ALL YOU FOLKS DISSING SY SHOULD BE ASHAMED!! WERE THE ONLY TEAM THAT DOES THAT BS AND WE’VE CERTAINLY PAID FOR IT OVER THE YEARS. NOT TO MENTION LAST YEAR HALF OF YOU FOOLS WANTED TEAGUE TO STILL PLAY BEHIEND BIBBY!! FREAKIN BANDWAGONERS MAN SMH!! SOME OF Y’ALL HAV NO EYES FOR TALENT. NOW TEAGUE IS BEASIN AND Y’ALL ACT LIKE YOU CALLED IT ALL ALONG. PLZ PUT YUR FOOT IN YOU MOUTHS WHERE IT BELONGS!

PAPE IS GONNA TURN HEADS AND REMEBER WHO CALLED IT FIRST!!!

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Ken Strickland,

Yes, we made it to playoff 4 times in a row, but we also got sweeped in the second round 2 times in a row. Look at how much the roster has change during this period, almost nothing I would say. Yes, we put up a decent fight against the Bulls but did they change what was need to be changed this of season? LD is starting Teague because he has to, if they got another vet PG more then likely LD would bench Teague.

To sum it up, Who would sit still when they get sweeped 2 times in a row in the second round? Look at the Bulls, they added RIP which is a SG they needed, and there are rumors they are looking into Howard.

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Kamen does not plan to stay NO you thank Hawks might take look a look .

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Ryan,

No. Kaman costs money, and the Atlanta Gearons don’t want to spend any. They also don’t want to trade anybody they have that isn’t end of the bench.

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I think the roster is set, with the exception of Stackhouse playing on a series of short term contracts to start the season. When healthy:

Guards: Teague, Johnson, Hinrich, Sy, McGrady
Forwards: Williams, Smith, Radmanovic, Rolle
Centers: Horford, Pachulia, Collins

I’m glad to hear something positive about Rolle. He has an interesting skill set at 6′10″+, with a 7′4″ wingspan, athleticism, can handle the ball, and has a decent mid-range jumper. If he’ll give the effort, there’s no reason why he can’t contribute 5-8 high-energy minutes a night at PF.

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I actually like the Clippers less now. They sent their depth to the Hornets. And that Minny pick.

Now Rick Adelman will have to perform wonders for that pick not to be high lottery.

Also a rumor Minny is looking at amnesty for Ridnour. If they pulled the trigger on that one, he’d be a very good back up to Teague.

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BIG RAY-I don’t think rebounding will stop us from running, unless we use that as an excure not to run. Poor rebounding might limit how often you can run, but not your committment to running. You can’t tell me that the SNash led Suns, and the Magic led Lakers, 2 teams that epitimized running, were prolific rebounding teams.

They weren’t successful as running teams because of any dominant rebounding ability. Their success was due to a committment to running whenever the opportunity presented itself. LDrew has to make running and trying to score off fastbreak opportunities our #1 priority, and his beloved MOTION OFF our #2 option.

Rebounding wasn’t the reason we didn’t run in the past. We just chose to walk the ball up, rather than pushing the ball, and it was primarily because we didn’t have the PGs to successfull make it happen. In he playoffs last yr, none of our players knew Teague would even get off the bench, let alone get a chance to ball like he did. It was a last minute and unexpected occurrance.

Also, even though Bibby was traded away in Feb, there were no changes or adjustments made to our OFF or OFF approach. This is a new season, and Teague’s teammates have seen what he can do. As a result, they will have far more confidence in his ability to get it done than they had when he was unexpectedly thrown into the fire.

Rather than continuing to run their own fastbreaks, I don’t think Marvin, JJ, Josh or Horford would hesitate to give the ball to Teague and fill the lane. They know he’ll consistently push the ball up the court fast, which gives them and the team a better chance to score.

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MATTP-After the Magic went to the NBA finals, rather than keeping their core in place, they tried to get better by making a series of trades. Each yr they made those trades, trying to get better, they actually got worse. As a result, they are about to lose their franchise player, and they don’t have much of anything on their roster to build around.

Can anyone say that they wouldn’t have been better if they had kept their core in tact? Once they realized they had made a big mistake, they brought back the key player that was let go.

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And actually, I lay part of the discipline problem at Drew’s feet.

Then again, why hire somebody the players say they want to play for…that’s usually an indicator that they are just too comfortable with the coach. We saw them play just how they wanted to play when things got tough and tight. Drew has to discipline them better, or he’s doing us no good.

If Josh just up and decides to rebound the ball and run the break himself, ignoring the pg, then somebody explain to me how that is about LD not wanting to let Teague run the break. I call BS….

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I loved Flip when he was here, one of my favorite Hawks at the time.

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The Difference…

The Nets…Have a BIG money owner, a great coach, a great PG are moving to Brooklyn AND CAN’T SIGN B-LEVEL FREE AGENTS OR EVEN THEIR OWN STAR.

The Clippers…Won 32 games last year, so they traded away 3 players from that team, to get one player…..so they could be relevant.

The Difference….THE HAWKS ARE WINNERS!!! I know that is hard for many to accept but it is true. ASG accomplished all of this while suing each other and losing 20mil a year on a hockey team. I don’t understand this much disrespect for a winning organization….Atleast 15 teams in this league wish their owners were this BAD.

Mark Cuban just proved…that if you spend your money stupidly for ten years, you get a TITLE.(840mil in salary)

ASG is trying to prove….Mark Cuban is an IDIOT and I agree.

“Some times the ends doesn’t justify the means”.

The Hawks have just as good a chance to win a title as Dallas did last year….Without paying the Lux Tax.

Go Hawk!!!

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Also, the player they need to acquire is Emeka Okafor. He rebounds, defends, shotblocker, does need many shots, everything. New Orleans is probably looking to dump his contract pretty soon to speed up the rebuilding process, and the Hawks could use someone like him at the 5. Offer Kirk’s expiring contract plus Zaza and that should get it done.

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Michael:

“Even grandad might get spoiled
and see the diligent work you do”
-doc-

Consider myself spoiled !
G-dad

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Rev;
Ga Tech’s Head football Coach.

I do not know what I said,
but PJ, is a very good fb coach.
He’s not at all mild mannered.
Very blunt – like myself – outspoken, a bit conceited.
Conceited may be too strong … self assured …
once again kinda like myself.

He’s somewhat of an ass.

Dad-gummit, I’m discribing me.
I’m out !

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Ken Strickland

I would rather rassle with drmaryb than disagree with you.
[check that,,,,, rasslin' with her might be fun]

Three points:

(1) A team cannot run w/o the ball = fact
a. Defensive Rebound … -or-
b. take it away [force turnovers / pressing, etc]

(2) LAL / “Showtime Lakers” / were good rebounding teams:
*1980 2nd in league def reb
*1981 5th in league def reb
*1982 6th in league def reb
*1983 11th in league def reb [worst in 80's]
*1984 4th in league def reb
*1985 4th in league def reb
*1986 3rd in league def reb
*1987 3rd in league def reb
*1988 4th in league def reb
*1999 2nd in league def reb
** reason for listing def rebounding = acquire the ball

(3) PHX – proves your point.
Team was committed to shooting in 7 seconds or less.
They would fast break off opponents made baskets.
Key word = Committed

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“We bring Collins back because he can play Dhoward. I get that. But what about all the games where we don’t play him? I mean, geez…” – Big Ray

If you mean all the games where we don’t play Dwight, there are other slow, plodding centers with no face-up game that Collins matches up against. I like that Drew played Collins a good number of minutes during the regular season and hope he does it again. It keeps him involved so it’s not like he’s coming off the shelf when we get to the payoffs and he suddenly has a pivotal role.

“And I’m with you on watching Smith run the break. Enough already. He can fill highlight reels much better by filling the lane and finishing.” – Big Ray

The issue with Josh leading the fast break is that he had Bibby, who can’t keep up, starting at point guard. Or you had JC1 who would just as soon pull up, let the defense set and then take a contested long jump shot than go to the rack and draw contact.

“Rockets will probably release either Johnny Flynn or Jeremy Lin.” – SteveW

Would love it if we got Jeremy Lin. He looked incredible two summers ago in the Vegas League going head to head with John Wall.

“I actually like the Clippers less now. They sent their depth to the Hornets. And that Minny pick.” – SteveW

/co-sign. Predicted last blog Paul’s knee will continue to flare up, NO will get #1 overall pick (second in a row Clippers have traded) and Griffin will say f this and sign elsewhere… back to same old Clips.

“If Josh just up and decides to rebound the ball and run the break himself, ignoring the pg, then somebody explain to me how that is about LD not wanting to let Teague run the break. I call BS….” – Big Ray

If Josh rebounds and puts the ball on the floor, starting the fast break, it’s up to the rest of the team to keep up with him. Bibby, Joe and JC1 either A. did not have the ability or B. did not have the inclination to run with Josh. Teague has both, so you’re going to see a different Hawks team this year.

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Buddy Grizzard

My problem with Jason Collins is…..He Doesn’t Rebound ! ! ! ! !

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“My problem with Jason Collins is…..He Doesn’t Rebound ! ! ! ! !” – G-Dad

You’re right… but I don’t have a problem with Collins as a result because I know it’s not his role. If I’m the coach, I put my players in a position to succeed. I don’t hang a player out to dry like Collins by asking him to do something, such as guard Boozer 16′ from the basket, that the player is completely incapable of doing.

But I still give Collins run because of his extreme value to my team in certain situations. I know he doesn’t have the foot speed to guard an inside-out threat like Boozer. I know he doesn’t have the foot speed to get to alot of rebounds. But I keep him involved because I want him to have a prepared mindset when the time comes for him to play his singular role… keep Dwight from bulling his way to the basket.

Meanwhile Zaza is an amazing per minute rebounder. He should have played 30+ minutes per game and started every game in the Bulls series. Can you imagine if we had traded him last year? Unless we got a starting-calibre PF/C in return, that would have been a franchise-crippling mistake.

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Grandad

December 16th, 2011
2:09 am

Ken Strickland

I would rather rassle with drmaryb than disagree with you.
[check that,,,,, rasslin' with her might be fun]

Three points:

(1) A team cannot run w/o the ball = fact
a. Defensive Rebound … -or-
b. take it away [force turnovers / pressing, etc]

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Your instincts were right the first time on this Grandad.

Phoenix defensive rebound rank from the 04 – 05 season ( JJ’s last year with Phoenix ) through the 2010 – 11 season:

04 – 05: 1st
05 – 06: 3rd
06 – 07: 3rd
07 – 08: 4th
08 – 09: 10th
09 – 10: 7th
10 – 11: 17th

The 08 – 09 and 10 – 11 seasons are the ONLY seasons in which they missed the playoffs.

NOTE: Suns were #1 in the league in FG% in 4 of those 7 seasons

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Hawks defensive rebounding rank from 05 – 06 ( JJ’s first year ) until 2010 – 11

05 – 06: 29th
06 – 07: 28th
07 – 08: 21st
08 – 09: 21st
09 – 10: 23rd
10 – 11: 20th

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Our lack of a running game in ATL is in direct correlation to our defensive rebounding. This team is notorious for not boxing out, with Josh Smith being a major culprit in this. For the Hawks to become an elite running team, Josh Smith has to essentially become our Shawn Marion. Shawn was a top 10 rebounder and top 10 defensive rebounder from 2004 – 2007.

When you look at some of the Hawks team numbers last year, you have to wonder how we even made the playoffs last year.

28th in total rebounding
29th in offensive rebounding
29th in FT attempts and FT made
29th in steals

When you look at those categories, it’s an indication of how this team can be so Jeckyl and Hyde on a nightly basis. We can look very good some nights, and like the worst team in the history of basketball the next. A solid playoff team shouldn’t have that wild of a fluctuation in the way they play.

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Might as well continue to agree while I’m on a roll.

The other part of your “team running” statement, is a team that forces a lot of turnovers. And that leads us to the Golden State Warriors. They perennially play at the fastest pace in the league, despite being a below average defensive rebounding team.

Here is where Golden State has ranked in steals, since the arrival of Monta Ellis in 2005

05 – 06: 9th
06 – 07: 1st
07 – 08: 2nd
08 – 09: 6th
09 – 10: 1st
10 – 11: 2nd

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I do hope Larry Drew understands that running or playing fast doesn’t necessarily = winning.

Defense + rebounding = winning

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In that Chicago series, we have to remember that Armstrong, Thomas & Powell were ineffective as well as Collins. Horford and Josh were playing multiple positions, and ZaZa was our only backup making an impact. I’m not sure we’ve corrected that problem yet unless Rolle and Radmanovic and Benson can help out. What will make a huge difference is if Marvin, Joe, and TMac/Sy out rebound their counterparts (Hamilton, Deng, and Korver/Brewer).

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Where is our rebounding going to come from if Al and Jason aren’t going to lead the way? How can we have a 2 time all-star starting at PF/C, yet we are at the bottom of the league in rebounding? I know we get zilch in rebounds from the 3, so adding T-Mac isn’t going to help that.
We know Marvin’s game; it isn’t going to change because JC1 is gone.

Joe does not rebound; Josh is supposed to be rebounding, but is too ready to lead the break.

Our guys don’t want to do the dirty work. Name our toughest player? Zaza, and he can’t stay productive when he is on the court. We simply need a guy in the starting lineup who has a nose for the ball. Our starters are getting the major minutes, and that is justified. But their games also have weaknesses that stand out in the team stats.

I really don’t want to know our FG%, our steals or our assists. That might be too hard to underdtand how we are even competitive?

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It’s good to hear that guys like Magnum Rolle have been playing well. But, the Hawks have to use guys like that him. Every year we hear about someone who is looking good in camp. And, every year, those guys never get any time. The schedule is so compressed that they have to use all their players. Can’t get through this season playing only 7 or 8 guys. If guys like Rolle look like they can eat some minutes, give they should actually give them a shot to do so.

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The Round Mound of Rebound!

“You can NOT win without the ball!” -Sir Charles-
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What else is there to say?

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More than anytime, this schedule this year will wear these guys down. Simply put, major minutes night after night will wear you down.

Saying that, if its a choice between signing Stack or getting us a PG, that is a no-brainer. If you are having Rolle and Benson battle for one slot, that might be a better option.

Joe/Jeff/Josh/Al/Jason
Marvin/T-Mac/Zaza/Vladimir/Sy/Kirk
Donald/Magnum/Keith/Brad

One slot available while Kirk is out.

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The roster actually has Donald Sloan listed as a rookie, but the guy has been in the D-League for 2 years out of Texas A&M. I see his stats from year 1 (10/4 in 27mpg) to year 2 (24ppg/8apg in 40mpg). A big difference than being an ‘actual’ rook.

I like those numbers increasing and his FT and rebounding are impressive as well. Not a 3 pt shooter though, so that might be his crutch. He is 6′3″ and 205, so good size. He was cut at training camp last year in Sac, and now he might be ready to contribute.

I see so many guys getting promoted from the D-League getting team roles, so its possible we have someone who just needs some minutes to prove himself. Will LD trust in him though?

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doc,

But Woody was a total disaster in:

1. Adjustments (opponent to opponent and in game);

2. Offensive strategy (worst plays out of time outs EVER).

Simply put: Woody is not HC material. He is a good assistant and that’s it.

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He may be lurking around here, but I actually feel sorry for niremetal.

He had to endure Jamal’s no defense in the Hawks and now he will have to endure Jamal’s no defense game in Portland which is his girl’s team

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Donald Sloan won’t disappoint as long as he gets some playing time.

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“lessoned wear and tear on the body”

Where have you been NUNNA?

They will be playing an higher average of games per week. BY FAR.

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vava 74, it was humor. northcyde, probably sees it that way, maybe never wanting to sound like woody but quoted him exactly in saying what ld needs to do. i thought it was humorous anyway.

yes, your points are valid on woody and make my skin crawl and stomach turn. i spent a lot on “entertainment” at the phillips to watch it up close and personal. to paraphrase nire, and it was what we all agreed on and probably couldnt say it as succinctly is, woody always felt if something wasnt working all you had to do was do it harder, not come up with a new plan because the first was so flawed.

btw collins couldnt stay in games that i saw ld try to start him or use him with chicago because it created mismatches. he couldnt keep up with any of chicago’s bigs nor rose’s penetrating cuts right at him. but you see what you see and i see what i see. anyway ld had to get him out quickly; asik is not that ponderous nor is he the fulcrum around which the bulls work which discounts collins value for ALL of the reasons northcyde listed. twin can only work for teams like the magic where everything goes through the center and he can bodily slow it down by clogging up the middle pushing back at the big guy. rose made mincemeat of our defense with collins in there and it had nothing to do with asik because with the quicker guys as he disrupted our defense. sadly, with one very swollen ankle people forget he bravely played on during our series and the next with the heat.

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yes vava, it is very funny the irony on jamal going to portland. i also followed them but am losing interest.

someone on one of the recent blogs, says portland did the amnesty thing on roy. i heard last weekend he had retired because to continue on his knees would mean he wouldnt be walking long much less running and jumping. sad, as he was a warrior and reminds me of gayle sayers career ending with a knee injury, i think. i loved to watch roy move, which he cant any longer.

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Won’t it be fun to watch the development of Benson, Wanamaker & Rolle for the next 66 games? The careless pass, the incessant fouling, the missed defensive rotation, the hurried shooting, etc. Big, big FUN!!!

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Starting Jeff Teague will be like getting a free agent, he brings new energy to the team.

I think the Hawks will be better because of it.

My biggest challenge with the Hawks is their stubbornness to stick with Marvin in the starting line up, when Josh is clearly the better SF.

Zaza has proven, whenever he get minutes he can rebound with the best of them, plus he adds toughness in the pivot.

Teague could be the 3rd best PG in the east behind D-will and D-Rose….and yes better than Rondo Jennings, Wall and Collison.

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I can’t wait until the 1st preseason game on Monday so we can actually dissect some game performances instead of each other basketball philosophy. #only72hrsleft

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Travis Outlaw – amnesty victim of the Nets….4 yrs, 28M

Marvin – should be amnesty victim…..3 yrs 23M

We are missing a great opportunity here….

BTW, is the amnesty deadline today for 2011-12?

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Take Marvin and Hindrich off the books in 2012? You have finally gained some room to maneuver.

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KevinM,
KevinM,

Today is the amnesty deadline for this season. But because the Nets are way under the cap, the amnesty opens up even more cap space for them, so they could offer a huge contract to another player. The Hawks don’t get much relief in salary cap space even if they amnesty Marvin. Plus the ASG might need to amnesty JJ down the road.

And lets not forget, Hawks are owned by Broke ASG millionaires who are trying to sell the team, while the Nets owned by a billionaire.

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Northcyde ,

Your 4:08 am post explains it all, much better than I did. THANKYOU.

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Ken ,

No doubt we walked it up too much. Again, I say that had as much to do with trying to control the offense vs. wild play as it did with slow pgs. Kirk Hinrich had the speed, but we still didn’t run enough.

Playing defense leads to defensive rebounds (ideally), and that leads to fast breaks. Or, you simply get the defensive rebound and start the break.

Looking back at Phoenix, you have to look at their defensive rebounds, not their total rebounds. That’s where our problem lies. When the Suns had Stoudamire and Marion, their defensive rebound ratings were pretty darn good. Look at Northcyde’s 4:08 am post, and you’ll see what I mean. Those rebounds led to Nash-fed fast break points.

Our problem has been the number of offensive rebounds we kept giving up time after time, game after game. You can’t run the break with a bunch of speedy guys if you don’t get that defensive rebound. The Suns weren’t a very good defensive team, but they could damn sure get that defensive rebound and not give you 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances.

That’s my point. No, you don’t have to be a dominant rebounding team to run the break. But you need to be good on the defensive end when it comes to rebounds. Look at the Blazers….they were one of the slowest teams in the League, but they could rebound it. Kinda like in football, it’s about possession of the ball. Rebounding increases your time of possession of the ball, or in this case, the number of possessions you have.

So we can let Teague and the guys run like the Boston marathon if we want. But unless we defend and rebound the ball on the defensive end, we’ll be the Warriors.

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The nets are clearing space to re-sign Humphries who will command much more than the mid-level.

He may not be much of an offensive player, but he’s a hustler who seems to know his limitations (unlike for instance Drew Gooden who tries to do much more than he is able to).

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KevinM, the amnesty clause is a one-time chip that can be used in the next 7 years. The odds that Marvin’s contract in the next 2 years will be wrose than Joe’s in hislast two years seems pretty remote (to me). I think it would be pretty short-sided to waste a one-time chip on marvin, especially when he may be more productive after his back surgery. If you want to see this team get better, think trade and not amnesty.

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Ra’mon,

Yep!!!! And on a condensed schedule!!!!

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We NEED DEPTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wtf is the deal with Stack? Is he a training camp consultant or are we signing this guy?

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O’Brien

pardon my response format but I dont know how to bold nor italix etc. Here’s my statement..

1) Seems to me Drew is saying they can get the ball and start dribbling? I guess Joe can dribble but Marvin? Then whats the point of Teague..

Here’s the context.

“The [6-8] shooting guard with the chiseled body and the [6-8], athletic small forward should not be average or slightly better at defensive rebounding for their position.

“I’m going to challenge both of those guys this year to be better rebounders than they have been in the past,” Drew said. “There is no reason those guys can’t become better rebounders. They have the size. They have the bodies. Rebounding is a dirty job. We are going to challenge them. When we can get the two or the three on glass, they can initiate a fast break effectively. They’ve got to pull more weight in that area. We’ve got to get more rebounding from those spots.”

When we can get the two or the three on glass, they can initiate a fast break effectively.

Translates to:
“When we can get Joe and Marvin on the glass they can initiate a fast break effectively.”
As opposed to

“Josh is a pretty good ball-handler in the open court but he often tried to make what Larry Drew called “hero” passes that got swallowed up in traffic, sailed out of bounds or clanged off the backboard. (Frequently heard from Dominique Wilkins during those clips: “There’s where Josh needs to give the ball to a guard. I can’t say it enough.” And oft-repeated by Bob Rathbun: “Josh with the rebound. . . throws it away.”)”

If we were talking about outlets then, Smith vs Joe vs Marvin outletting, should bear little to no distinction.

We’re talking about Smith vs Joe vs Marvin handling the ball and initiating the break…

Trying to find a reason to keep Marvin on… For his ballhandling… When we have Teague… When we have Smith leading the entire NBA SF class in HoF class rebounding.

Instead of Smith crash boards as an SF outlet to Teague leading, Vlad trailing for 3 in the 4th quarter we’ll have
Marvin rebound and lead the break, Smith with no jumper trailing the perimeter, and with Marvin playing point Teague will fill the lane, go up for a dunk, get hammered. Out for significant back to back stretch and Season over.

lol Marvin in for ballhandling.
#GoHawks

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Somebody on this blog said that Amare is a HOF’er.

He is not even close. And that is a fact. There goes the credibility.

Oops, it was already gone.

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BIG RAY-I firmly believe we’ll be a much better rebounding team than we’ve been in the past. Why do I feel that way?

1-SF MWilliams is finally healthy. I don’t know how much his back problems contributed to his poor rebounding and overall play, but I know for certain that it had to have an effect.
2-PF JSmith lost 30+lbs, but not the strength he developed over the past few off season. His added speed, quickness, and mobility will allow him to rebound better.

I believe our entire frontline will benefit greatly from finally having a solid perimeter DEF. It means no more dependence on the switching DEF, which far too often left them on the perimeter defending PGs and SGs. It also means our PGs and SGs won’t end up under the basket trying to rebound with Cs and PFs, after switching with our Cs and PFs.

With a solid perimeter DEF, our frontline players will be able to remain near the basket and get rebounding position, which means our DEF rebounding should definitely improve. In the past, our frontline players were forced to compensate for the DEF liabilities of Bibby and Jamal.

In addition, they were expected to drop back and try to get rebounding position under the basket and challenge for DEF rebounds. Hell, with what our frontline players were being forced to do, it’s amazing they were able to rebound as well as they did.

Teague’s speed, quickness, athleticism, and DEF, especially his DEF, will transform the Hawks into a totally different team, both offensive and defensively. There were reasons for us not being a better rebounding team(injuries, poor perimeter DEF, poor coaching decisions), and those reasons no longer exist.

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As soon as Hinrich gets back Teague gonna be back on the bench. Begging for playing time like Keith Sweat. Drew = Woody Jr.

FIRE SUND

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SteveW

December 16th, 2011
11:57 am

CLASSIC STUFF

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Big Ray, it wasn’t a 50-50 chance Josh would lead to a turnover. It was a 80-20 percent chance the play would end up in a great play for the Hawks. I’d take those chances any given time.

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MC I saw your post at 11:39 and I came off rude. I apologize.

But Smith clearly needs a stretch 4 and thats what Vlad is for. A defensive center? We have Collins and Zaza.

How can you construct an offense with Smith, Horford and Collins. Smith is not a “perimeter” player. You shoot the ball he rebounds at the TOP of the NBA SF class, he sets screens, he gets steals and transition dunks. Hes not an All Star if you move him outside in a halfcourt.

And the only reason to move him outside would be to accomodate Horford. Horford who does nothing excellent as a PF except try to score and wind up passing… to the perimeter. We had Crawford there in the past.

Why are we moving Horford to PF instead of just trading him for upgrades? His defense at PF is not superstar level and his lack of offense mitigates his impact even further.

Smith inside
perimeter player
center

Smith outside
Horford “inside” (defense improves, offense declines)
center inside

Smith and Horford are redundant. Add Marvin if you want but hes undersized and not boxing out any PFs. Vlad is underwhelming.

22yo Leuer/ 22yo Motiejunas should be in this training camp. Not Radmanovic and Marvin and a bevy of over-the-hill perimeter players. That makes us knowingly undersized. For the FIFTH year in a row.

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OB, yeah. Hawks biggest issues are the neck up and I don’t see how Teague and his athleticsim change that. It may help hide it but eventually, athleticism can’t hide poor decision-making.

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Kevin, there are 4 teams who advance to the second round of each conference. 4 of 15. I don’t view that as “average” result.

If there are 15 girls in the room and you leave with one of the 4 finest girls there, did you take home an average chick?
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7 of those girls are underage/not ready (missed playoffs) but when they’re mature (lotto picks), and only 2 of 15 get to home base (ECF) and 1 gets married (NBA Finals) and you keep coming back to the same girl who wont take you all the way…Why you end up looking like a simp, a doofus, a moron.
She probably is hiding something…disease, transgendered. Well you can keep going with her/him but me, and I hope the majority of us, would say no hard feelings, dump the broad and upgrade to erase the memory.

#goHawks

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O’brien, Josh’s biggest problem with rebounding wasn’t technique, it was the scheming by both Woody and LD. Horford only averaged 1 rebound more than Josh. Even though, Josh was instructed to not hit the offensive glass, but to get back on defense to deter any fast break opportunity of the opposition. So with a better defensive back court, Josh rebounding numbers will go up (and quite realistically pass Al’s) just based on more opportunities for him to crash the glass. Notice how you’ve never heard LD say that Josh needed to hit the offensive glass more, out of all of the critiques he gave to Josh. Combined, Josh and Al are ranked in the top 8 of PF/C duos in rebounding in the league. To be ‘undersized’ that is a great stat.

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OBRIEN-I’m certain everyone but JTeague himself had the same concerns when he was thrust into the starting PG role against the NBAs top DEF team and MVP, and during the playoff semifinals no less. Wasn’t he younger, and even more inexperienced then than he is now? After his successful playoff experience, do you think he has more or less confidence in himself than he had then?

You’re embracing the same type of fear, apprehension, and negative thinking that influenced both Woodson and Drew to limit Teagues mins, opportunities, growth, and chance to develop. He won’t be running a team with a lot of young inexperienced players. He’ll get plenty of help and encouragement both on and off the court, which is a drastic change from his past experiences.

Teague’s youth and stamina should help him endure the rigors of the upcoming schedule better than top PGs like RRhondo, JNelson, DWilliams, and SNash, and CPaul. In addition to dealing with the rigors of the upcoming schedule, they have to deal with a combination of age, and for some, physical issues, such as bad knees.

We’ve seen too many young talented PGs emerge over the last decade to have as much doubt as some of you seem to be having in Teagues ability to become one of them. I can’t remember when I’ve been as excited about a Hawks team as I am about this yrs team.

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What is it with big men wanting to take 3’s?

They can just watch and let the game come to them. Amar’e has the wingspan and reach to attempt and make those amazing hook shots from every angle but he is injury prone and Horford just does not have what Amare has.

Amare can score inside but it hurts. Horford cant score inside and it hurts watching him. Josh was fat last year but even before that he struggled to score over taller players at times.

He is no Shawn Kemp.

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It’s funny when I keep reading or hearing that we have to get the ball to the pg in order to run the fast break. If that were the case, as the opponent, I would just make sure that I kept someone next to the pg in order to slow down the fast break.

For those of you who played basketball, I’m sure that you ran 4 on 3, 3 on 2 and 2 on 1 fast breaks in practice. The ball was not always in the hand of the point guard with these fast break drills.

Plus, teague is a better finisher than both joe, marvin, zaza and collins. With the 4 on 3 and 3 on 2 fast break, you keep the ball in the middle. With the 2 on 1 fast break you keep the ball on the side. At this level, anyone should be able to fill the approriate position on the break.

Additionally, if a player has demonstrated that he can rebound and beat dribble down court faster than other players, then those players are also displaying another fast break method.

Until I see the hawks consistently display multiple basic fast break methodologies, I don’t see them being a consistent successful fast break team.

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Combined, Josh and Al are ranked in the top 8 of PF/C duos in rebounding in the league. To be ‘undersized’ that is a great stat.
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top 8? Where were Nowitzki and Chandler? Cuz you know, they won the title. Ar we better than the Miami Cheat? The Chi Bulls?

Marion vs Smith
Horford vs Chandler
Nowitzki vs Marvin

#goHawks

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@reese
When the coach wants Marvin Williams initiating the fast break… Joe Johnson rebounding… don’t even bother. It’s rhetoric.

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McGrady sits out with a sore arm… So it begins.
#Hawks

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Also, please quit asking for Zaza to be the starter. We were a losing team when Zaza was the starter. I can’t even believe that Rolle or Benson are decent players until I see that they are outplaying zaza. Which in my opinion should not be hard to do. Examples, zaza has poor offensive skills. They should be able to outscore him in practice. They should be able to out jump him on the post and shoot over him. In drills, they should be able to use their foot speed to go around zaza.

On defense, they should be able to stop him from scoring in practice. They should be able to beat him to loose balls. They should be able to play help defense and then get back to their man.

Too make it simple for the coaches to prove that they are better, they should embarrass him. Not in a malicious way, but in I’m just better than you way and I deserve to play more than you to help this team win.

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reese

December 16th, 2011
12:43 pm

reese, check Zaza’s video interview on the Hawks’ site: after just a couple of days, zaza had bruises in his face and scratches on his shoulders/harms.

it’s not only about jumping and running, its about battling and hustling and zaza battles and hustles, even in practice, whilst until I see it with my eyes, I bet that Benson and Rolle don’t.

Benson was sent back home by Dinamo Sassari and the fans there were MISSING OTHELLO HUNTER who was a god for them.

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like the temptations song said, get ready, get ready hawks fans for the losing and the disapointments to began.anything rick sund is associated with, will end up losing as he has always done.someone remind him that you can’t take a mule to the kentucky derby and win.thats what kind of team he has assembled, a group of mules. good luck hawks fans, sund is your man.

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I second the comment questioning why Marvin is the starter. In fact, the signing of Marvin is why we do not have Jamal. His 7 mil is too much for the role he plays. His position is probably the most available player position in the league. There are so many 6′5 to 6′10 players who can play the 3 spot. Josh, Joe and McGrady can all play that position better than Marvin. Drew states that he can play Marvin at the 2 spot. Marvin does not play the 2 spot better than Jamal, Joe or McGrady. So why do we have our fourth best player for a position starting in the small forward position and being considered for the backup shooting guard position.

Plus, Marvin is afraid to initiate fast breaks, afraid to dribble in the middle position during fast breaks, does not fade out enough to fill lanes properly during fast breaks and does not consistently finish strong on fast breaks.

He is more suited for a team that does not fast break and that has multiple players who penetrate and kick out to open shooters.

I understand the teams mantra of no excuses we will fight with what we have. Yet, it is going to be up to Sund to make what we have better (i.e. trade marvin, zaza, kirk)

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790 The Zone!

Yesterday @ 1PM, Ryan Stewart flip-flopped. He picked the Jaguars to defeat the Falcons in Prime Time at The Dome! Then, he saw where the Jaguars had 27 players on the Injury Report and unavailable for the game.

So, Ryan reversed his pick to the Falcons! Smart pick th take the Falcons and the point spread of +9.5. Falcons win 41-14. Our Dirty Birds finally played all 60 minutes.

65 unanswered points in the 2nd halves of their last two games. Let’s Go Birds!

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Vava74, too bad othello hunter was an undersized big man and he was competing against Josh and Al for playing time. The problem with Childress is that he wanted too much money for being the hustle guy. He was looking for the type of money that Marvin made and was offered the type of money that zaza makes.

drmaryb.[*_*], I’m watching the same games as you. Zaza is an arena favorite. He makes nice videos portraying rocky. He is a big body who is not afraid to knock players to the floor. He even loves to fall on the floor a lot. He does not back down to the other teams bullies. He bruises well and is not afraid to bleed.

It would be nice if he could make an open 5 footer. It would be nice if he could make a layup. It would be nice if he would take an offensive rebound back up and try to score. It would be nice if he would rotate over and challenge a shot from a guard without fouling them.

Whats not nice is that it doesn’t sound like neither Rolle or Benson are capable of being the big bodied bruiser who can make movies, looked banged up, foul other players, dive for loose balls or be the enforcer.

I guess, I’ll just have to wait to see if they can play basketball.

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Our season starts in about 2 weeks, so we’ll soon see what this yrs Hawks are made of. However, after a string of winning seasons, and playoff berths, by the same core of players, I think it would be downright stupid for anyone to predict a losing season for this yrs Hawks. We’ll definitely be a much improved team defensively, and quite possibly offensively as well.

After adjusting to an entirely new and different OFF system, while still walking the ball up and relying on our halfcourt OFF, we managed to gain the 5th seed and advance to the 2nd rd once again. This yr, we’ll have another scoring option, the fastbreak. We’ll also have a solid perimeter DEF, which has been completely nonexistent the last 5+yrs.

This team is far too talented, young, and experienced to collapse. Because of his scoring prowess and flash, a lot of fans have over estimated the impact JCrawford had on our team. They also felt the same way about the Nuggets. Let’s face it, all of you felt they would fall apart after getting rid MCamby and AIverson, and definitely felt that way after getting rid of CAnthony.

Oh how wrong you were, and it will be the same with Jamal.

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Astro Joe, average is this:

Draft Jeff Teague one year, then the latest trade:
The Hawks draft JC2, then give him away…..along with a #1, which ends up being Chris Singleton.

Atlanta Hawks: 2010-11 record: 44-38 (vs Southeast: 9-7)
They started the year 6-0, then finished 38-38…..
Playoff record: 6-6
Why doesn’t that constitute average?

Now, evaluate our head coach, Larry Drew…Do you consider him better than average? I don’t and like Steve W, I hope we relieve him of his duties before his son is eligible for the NBA.

And where are you getting the 15 girls? Depends on the pool.

I will wait before I reevaluate what we have here. I hope I am 100% wrong….there wouldn’t be much better, because we are limited to do anything.

Heading to the open scrimmage tonight despite my opinion. I want to see Marvin and who might be able to help us off the bench.

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Rocky VII!

reese! OK then re: ZaZa. LOL! Good Stuff keep it coming tough guy.

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Ken,
You’re missing my point. I agree with giving Teague the keys, and let him drive.

My issue is not with Teague being the starter. My issue is with Sy being the backup. All I am saying is we need a suitable backup PG, so we don’t have to rely on Teague playing 40 minutes every game.

Let’s keep him fresh and energized. And to do that, I think we need to keep his minutes down to no more than 35. I’m just not comfortable with Sy being the backup PG. But I think Teague will do just fine as the starter.

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reese,

“Plus, Marvin is afraid to initiate fast breaks, afraid to dribble in the middle position during fast breaks, does not fade out enough to fill lanes properly during fast breaks and does not consistently finish strong on fast breaks.”

Add that he can’t run straight without falling, brings the ball down under his waist when he is trying to finish, can’t dribble more than 3 times without picking up his dribble, misses way to many WIDE open jump shots, rebounds poorly for his size, can”t post up and hold his position in the post against smaller players, does not hustle……… But remember his back surgery will improve all of those things. LOL. You are making some great points, keep it up.

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OB, I think some of teague’s biggest fans seem content with having him play close to 48 minutes/game. or maybe they are fine with having Sy as his back-up for no good reason other than it will ensure that Teague is the defacto PG. Me, I’m a Hawks fan and anyone with common sense who supports the TEAM knows that we need an adequate replacement for Hinrich.

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Wasn’t it reported that Mavin was a standout this week in camp? I guess you guys will confirm tonight?

A bulging disk is a very big deal for a professional athlete and for us for that matter…It was probably bothering him(chronic) for a very long time? He finally felt it was time to get it resolved..

Ladies and Gents may Sund/Drew present the new and improved Marvin Williams, the #2 lottery pick!

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Ok fellow hawks fans, I have 5 opening spots in my fantasy basketball CBS sportsline gold league that I have to fill. If you are interested sign up for the gold league and search for Albany Fantasty Basketball League. The password is marines. The draft is Sunday at 830pm et.

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Astro, the Hawks are a good team….they are not an elite nor a bad team. Just because there are more bad teams than elite doesn’t make them much more than they are.

How were the Hawks vs. teams above .500?
Hollinger has the Hawks ending last year at 22…22nd place out of 30.
Wanna look at odds to contend?

2.9% to win the division in 2010
0.3% to be the #1 seed
1.9% to make the Finals
0.5% to win the LOB trophy

A ranking of 10th last year heading into the playoffs. I guess they overachieved to beat Orlando.

I don’t have to go beyond 2010 to compute what we are seeing here. Good is average in this league; they are not a contender as built.
I wish they were. Were we better in the playoffs last year? Yes, we won 2 2nd round games. That’s an improvement.

Lets just call them a .500 team that needs significant improvement to contend.

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This is an ‘AI’ kind of season huh? Not a lot of ‘practice’ time to worry about………..

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bigdave, there is a blip of last years on Hawks.com…

I think its a good way to see the guys in action and get an ideal on what we have as far as backups, because we basically know about the returning ‘core’.

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JUST Like I thought.

Combined rebounds for starting C and PF:

CHI: 20.0
LAL: 18.9 (that was with Odum as PF and gasol C)
ATL: 17.8
DAL: 16.4
MIA: 15.8

Whats not advertised here is rebound %. These are totals. As in Josh and Horford play a combined 70mpg.

If we used percentages.

Boozer + Noah – 36% of rebounds
Smith + Horford – 31% of rebounds
Marion + Chandler – 31% of rebounds

36%> 31%

Thats only one side of the ball anyways. You can get away with that level of average rebounding if you have above average scoring.

IE Marion + Chandler have Nowitzki’s offense to bolster them and his ~12% rebounding. Hawks have Marvin Williams offense and his 10% rebounding.

lol
#Hawks

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O’Brien,

Yes Jamal was not a great defender, but his scoring ability more than makes up for his defense. With Bibby that really was a problem because he was not a dependable scorer any more. Majortiy of the time, Jamal socres more points than he gives up. We might score more points in transition during the regular season, but that won’t be the case in the playoffs. Let me let you in on a little secret. Josh and Al will not become better rebounders. Someone already posted that Josh’s rebounding #’s make him the #1 rebounding small forward in the league, and him losing 25 pounds let me know that he will be playing SF. He won’t rebound better from the SF position. Horford won’t get much better than he is rebounding at the 4 or the 5. If the team stays constucted as is, in the playoffs, teams will focus on shutting down Joe, leave Josh open on the perimeter, close out on Al, and make Teague, Marvin …. beat them. If TMac can revert back to the scoring TMac then we might be ok, but other than him, nobody else on our team is a pure scorer.

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bigdave, i went a few years ago. It is average (to use Kevin’s favorite term ). It is definitely a great family event, especially if you have kids who play ball. They get to see the big shots running some of the same drills. The year I went, it was more practice… drills, learning new plays, etc. and less of a scrimmage. And of course, the sales folk are there to hit you up about buying tickets.

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Mary, I think that Hoopsworld is written by bloggers, folk with an opinion but not necessarily insight into whatthe coaches are saying. I could be wrong and maybe that was just the portion of the website that I read previously… but I don’t recall it being hard news, just opinion.

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Rod,

“Yes Jamal was not a great defender, but his scoring ability more than makes up for his defense”

OK Rod, if his scoring “more than made up for his defense” than why were his + / – numbers always so bad? Two years ago, you could say it was because he played more often with second teamers, but last year, due to him too often playing the point, that was less the case.

I realize that + /- numbers can deceive, but when it’s as egregious as JC1 was OFTEN, then it gets to be a touchstone. Do you know any other way to measure whether or not he gave more than he got? Other than your opinion?

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Sautee
Tyson Chandler has averaged 35mpg and 12.4 rpg and 11.7 rpg. He is 7′1 and dunks everything in sight.

We’ve seen Josh and Al in action. They are not on that level. You can argue about Taj Gibson and Asik but then why does Boozer average 18ppg in less minutes?
Hes a better scorer and rebounder.

Josh and Horford are undersized compared to championship frontcourts. Not Nowitzki-level skill to overcome it. And btw Marvin, the SF, is part of the frontcourt.

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Kevin M .. StroJoe,

appreciate it.. was going to go but from the looks of it, more of a family fun feel.. fortunately, im not in that market yet, lol..

guess ill just wait for preseason action to get a taste of what im surprisingly optimistic about.. meanwhile, ill look for tidbits from you guys that do attend..

be safe..

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Did we get Kaman for Kirk,Zaza, and that 2nd rounder yet?

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Rod,

“I ask one question. In your great basketball opinion, would we have won the Orlando series without Jamal Crawford?”

Why my “great basketball opinion”? Have I said something to make you think I elevate myself above others here? I would hope that if anything, I have encouraged a variety of opinions. I can assure you that, while I defend my positions, I never think that my opinion is better than another, just differing.

And in my opinion (just like everyone elses’s) Jamal was great against ORL. But his points came with a LOT of attempts (as well as he played, he shot less than 40% for the series).

But if you look at the bigger picture,over the entire year he gave up a LOT of points. That’s my opinion. If it’s great, great.

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My question is:

Would Atlanta have won the playoff series against Chicago if the Hawks had Tom Thibodeau as coach and the Bulls had Larry Drew as coach?

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Do the Bulls beat the Hawks without Jamal?

I like this game.

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Marvin Williams got a new contract for doing nothing but we let Jamal go after all he has done for the team. That’s Sund for ya.

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Do the Bulls beat the Hawks without Jamal?

Worse than last year. Yes.

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” I think many of you are underestimating what having a guy who can get his own shot, take his man off the dribble, and commands a double team means in the NBA, especially on this team with no pure scorer’s, and especially in the playoffs. ”

This is a valid point, but the loss of Jamal from the bench can be mitigated if the team actually runs the offense. Easier said than done, obviously, but the better LD does at making the players execute his offensive scheme, the less a one-on-one player like Jamal is going to be missed. Good teams have gotten by in the playoffs without great one-on-one bench scorers, but generally those teams execute better on offense.

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I know bigs are more important, but Chicago recently waived Keith Bogans he can no doubt be gotten for the minimum and will fill in for Joe nicely off the bench as a defensive stopper, and maybe instill a little bit that mindset into the whole team. We lack a lot of depth for the guards with Kirk out and no real back up for Joe yet, I’ll take Bogans > Stackhouse…

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Keith Bogans got waived. He would be better than Stackhouse and McGrady as a defender and he definitely has more in the tank than either.

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Sautee,

Just jabbing..

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Ask Gearon why they selected Marvin Williams over Chris Paul when they needed a point guard then ? I’d love to hear that reason.

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(( Gearon Jr. says #Hawks willing to add $, pay tax at trade deadline to get “missing piece we think will take us over the top.” ))

LOL . . pay tax at trade deadline? Get missing piece? You mean like last year, when you basically traded 2 draft picks for Kirk Hinrich? Was he the missing piece last year?

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(( Told some fans think owners aren’t cheap but make poor $ decisions, Gearon Jr. sed: “I love that. I want a buzz. I’m thick-skinned.” ))

LOL @ he want a buzz. How do the fans thinking that you guys are idiots with your money give you a “buzz”? You’re not “cheap”, you’re just “scared”.

You’re like a spades player that holds onto a Big Joker to the very last play of a spades hand, but still got “set” because you probably should’ve played the Big Joker 4 hands earlier.

You let a possible “cut” go by, just because you didn’t want to play the Big Joker right then and leave you with no spades. Instead, you hold onto that Joker, and expect your partner to get the book. He/she didn’t, and that ends up costing you the game, because you and your partner held onto the Big and Little Jokers until the final play of the hand.

That’s the ASG . . . holding onto Jokers, instead of using them early to make their bid, and possibly setting the other spades team.

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And, we could have easily replaced Jamal for Jordan C. I have little doubt that he will a much more complete player that Jamal and if he had been given good minutes he would have reached the playoffs playing at a level close to Jamal on offence and already better on all other fronts.

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(( Gearon Jr. : “We haven’t seen enough to say this team is not capable of competing [for a title].” #Hawks ))

So you want to see this squad first, before making a determination that we can win a NBA title? So our vet minimum guys and 2nd round picks are all we needed to put us over the top?

28th in rebounding, but never fear, guys named Magnum and Kito will save us.

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Bill Simmons:
“The only thing that stops LeBron better than DeShawn Stevenson is the fourth quarter.”

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Might start rooting for LAC

• Yes, I’m fully aware that Vinny Del Negro is prominently involved in the 2011-12 Clippers season. Elephant, meet room.

As for Chris Paul, do you think he feels like he won the lottery? The Clippers are trotting out the league’s most entertaining team, two franchise players (only Miami and Oklahoma City can say the same), a potential “Stockton/Malone 2.0″ brewing with Paul and Griffin, the Lob City gimmick (let the record show that Griffin and DeAndre Jordan finished second and third in dunks last year cbssports/nba/dunk-o-meter/yearly, and that Jordan’s “2008 Tyson Chandler” potential was the most underrated thing about this trade

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For all who didn’t or can’t go to the Hawks practice they are streaming it live on NBA.com.

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Ken Strickland,

AMEN bro!

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firstrowsports dot tv

is streaming all of the NBA presason games live!! Enjoy em….

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Pacers up 10 in the 1st over da BULLS!

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Live stream for the Hawks scrimmage:

http://www.nba.com/live3/

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Split your screen and Watch both streams at the same time…

Bulls game on the left and the Hawks scrimmage on the right!! Awesome baby!

I’m running windows 7! Awesome baby!

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joe,jeff, etal

Might start rooting for LAC

• Yes, I’m fully aware that Vinny Del Negro is prominently involved in the 2011-12 Clippers season.
Elephant, meet room.

very funny but it used to be white elephant because their isnt one and that is glaring to overlook it and not being descriminatory. vinny may be over his head and paul might just out him.

i dont like the idea of suppoting anything sterling has his hands on ubfortunately as it might be a pretty good club.

is vava still talking about jc1? let him go!

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All jumpsots. Same Hawks. At least they all falling

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Am I the only one who can’t hear anything????

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HAHAHA..just a scrimmage Melvin..lol

18-4 1st 22 games.. This Hawks team is gonna be pretty good..

Going to surprise a few people out there!

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lmao t-mac you not athletic anymore!

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So im the only one with volume issues on the feed?

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LMAO @ T-Mac trying to throw it off the backboard…

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@Slimjr its not how you begin its how you finish.

Josh looking like Skinny Z-Bo. Horford invisible. TRADE HORFORD.

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Bulls game is coming in loud and clear though on the left side of my screen..

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Josh jumpers are wet..#12 Donald Sloan doesn’t look bad…

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Big AL with the crossover. That’s a new move for him….

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C’mon Marvin eat up those little pip squeaks this year DUDE!!!!! 6th man! lol

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Damn they just had to mess up the hawks broadcast with volume issues smh

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slim seriously?

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Pape Sy looks like shi.. Wannamaker looks better

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Josh should have taken T-Mac to LA with him for conditioning… Or maybe T-Mac would have been a negative influence…

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Dayum! Who is the RED-BONE???? Ah carumba!

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Flavor Flav,

“Let the record show Sautee and Ken Strickland think the glass is half or 9/10s full with the current roster.”

Let the record show that just because I think YOUR glass is 9/10ths empty that it doesn’t necessarily mean the opposite is true. I’m about 50/50 and wait and see on this bunch. But still, I’ll praise ‘em when they excel, and trash them when they suck.

Faulty logic, Flavor Flav. Not surprising though. You are excellent at that.

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-Stackhouse can still contribute…
-Hawks are not really pushing the tempo…which may be by design since they play on Monday and this is just a scrimmage…
-The team as a whole are hitting their free throws…
-The team as a whole is hitting their shots…

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Teague seams to be coming off the picks slower which is really good. The game has slowed for him, time for beast mode from the Teaguer

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More like Chuck D.

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“@Slimjr its not how you begin its how you finish”

Which tells you just why Flavor Flav is commenting negatively on a pre-season scrimmage.

LMFAO

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Teague make everyone else look as if they are moving in slow motion….

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Tmac out there looking like Larry Holmes when he fought Tyson

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Why doesnt Horford want to guard Pachulia…

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Al tried to use his left hand for a change

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Marvin’s signature rebound brick and putback.

marvin Williams
6′8.25″; 7′3.5″ wingspan

Chris Webber
6′10″; 7′3.5″ wingspan

All that wingspan…If only Marvin were an inch or two taller.

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Who’s your Pape….

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Damn Pape got up lol…

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Nice entry from Jsmoove for a dunk for Marv!

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T-Mac is out there trying to do circus plays and ish….

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C’mon AIR HARRY PULL YOUR PANTS UP DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!lol

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SMH @ the video presentation, lol

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Did anyone else loose their feed?

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Team has a long way to go. No-one playing like they are ready for the season to start.

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The best part about this scrimmage is that someone else is wearing #12, which is a constant reminder that Josh Powell is no longer an Atlanta Hawk.

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The only people playing hard are the unknown camp invites. #12 and #44 in particular. Everyone else is just chillin as they should be.

I see Kirk’s shoulder doesn’t hurt so bad that he can’t suit up.

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I see they are still going with the goddamn organ instead of paying the royalty money to play actual songs.

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Teague is in mid-season form missing lay ups and tear drops!

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JT0 is looking good out there besides that floater

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Teague gets anywhere anytime he wants, but he needs to finish consistently.

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Here’s a backup PG we can sign until Hinrich gets healthy…

Chuck Swirsky: Bull waive Jannero Pargo Twitter

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What I took from this. I think Wannamaker will stick around longer than Sloan and is a better option than Pape at backup PG. I prefer Benson over Rolle. I will take Stack over McGrady. The starters did not impress. Teague can get anywhere anytime but needs to stop turning ball over and finish. This is just camp and preseason never know what happens when it’s showtime.

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Watching the Nuggets scrimmage – as a reference – :

Faried is Fa-riel

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I just came back from the scrimmage but it looks like you all may have been able to check it out. A few first hand observations (mostly the new guys):

#44 Ivan Johnson knows how to set a screen and is THICK. He has decent skills and is clearly a tough guy. They have him listed at 6′8″ but that seemed way generous to me. He won’t make the team but I loved the toughness he brought to the court.

#25 Magnum Rolle appears to have passed by #13 Keith Benson. Neither struck me as being particularly athletic. Benson is longer and probably is a little more athletic. Rolle is much better. They are listed at 6″11 but Benson seemed taller than Rolle. Rolle was listed as being 5 pounds heavier but appeared closer to 20 pounds heavier to me. Rolle looks like a poor man’s Jason Thompson. I think he could be a keeper. Benson clearly has some skills but was being moved around like a toy.

Pape Sy is as much of a legit back-up NBA PG as I am. He is crazy athletic but please, let’s end the nonsense that he is a PG.

Wanamaker and Sloan looked pretty good. Wanamaker specifically deflected a few passes, seemed willing to attack the rim, help on the boards and knocked down some open jumpers. Hinrich-like IMO. Sloan probably has a more explosive offensive game.

TMac still has tremendous court vision but looked a little gimpy to me. I could see a scenario where we could skate by with TMac and Wanamaker sharing the back-up PG role. But if Teague gets hurt, we’re doomed as neither should play more than 18-20 minutes combined there (from my observation).

Stack is done. He may be a nice leader at the end of the bench but he looked like a guy who should be directing practice drills and not practicing.

None of the other wing players really struck me. Neither did Garcia.

Starters: Marvin looked a little more spry but still was more than ready to defer. Josh took a lot of jumpers and made quite a few early. Joe may not have much personality but he is so stupid talented that he made most others look like me on the court. Al didn’t appear to be in bad shape but seemed a little disinterested (or maybe tired). Teague is clearly a blur but still seems unsure what to do when he penetrates into tall traffic.

Others: Vlad appears better than I expected. He seems like a complete offensive player with a decent handle and court awareness. Zaza appeared to be ready for the season.

I think that covers it. The one strange thing was that Stack greeted the fans at the start of the scrimmage. Kind of strange that someone without a signed contract would be repping the franchise in that setting. And there were no signs of Jason Collins (at least I didn’t see him on the bench and he certainly didn’t play).

That’s my eyewitness report.

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AJ
your assessment seems to be contrary to LD. What give is?

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The Truth, I saw about 2 hours of a scrimmage so I HAVE to defer to the head coach who has watched these guys play more than just the two hours.

doc, you missed it, I made a comment about his jumpers in the “Starters” section. I covered just about everyone by name except 2-3 wing players who made no impression whatsoever.

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EVERYONE TALKS LIKE STACK MADENE TEAM. HE TALKS LIKE IT. THEN WE SEE SUND SAY WE PROB WONT SIGN AN SG

THIS IS SO F’ING ANNOYING. IS STACK A CONSULTANT OR IS HE GONNA MAKE THE DAMN ROSTER?

AND DONALD SLOAN SOUNDS LIKE A 70 YEAR OLDS’ NAME

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Eager to hear what MC has to say about what he saw…..

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