Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 7
It appears the Hawks are in no hurry to add another veteran guard. And if Kirk Hinrich continues his quick recovery from shoulder surgery, Larry Drew said there’s a chance they may try to get by with that they have until he returns to the lineup.
“It sounds like he is healing pretty good,” Drew said today. “From my understanding, he is ahead of schedule, and that is a good thing. He wants to hurry up and get back but we have got to let this thing take its course. It’s something you can’t rush. Those type injuries they could really set you back.”
Hinrich had the procedure in early November and the Hawks said he would be out 3-4 months. He’s been shooting baskets but still doesn’t have full range of motion and hasn’t been cleared to run.
Drew said the Hawks inquired about free agent point guard Carlos Arroyo but were told he’s playing elsewhere. He said there have been internal discussions about Gilbert Arenas and other free agents but “right now we are not making decisions on any of those guys.”
So it’s possible the Hawks could start the season without adding another vet guard and patch it together while Hinrich mends.
“We’ve talked about that as a [coaching] staff and management,” Drew said. “But timetable-wise there is no guarantee when he is going to come back. It’s not like we know, ‘Exactly this date,’ and know what we are working with. We’ve got to make a decision from that point. Do we try to keep our head above water until he gets back or do we get some help? Right now we are going to go with what we have and if something falls through the cracks we will take a look.”
Right now at point guard the Hawks have Jeff Teague and Pape Sy plus camp invitees Brad Wanamaker and Donald Sloan. The shooting guards are veterans Joe Johnson and Tracy McGrady as well as camp invitees Zach Graham and Jerry Stackhouse. Sy and Wanamaker also can play there, and Drew said even Marvin Williams could spot minutes at shooting guard.
You can see that without Hinrich available to play both guard spots there’s not much depth at all, much less guys the Hawks can be certain will be productive and reliable. It spills over to small forward, too, where there is no real backup for Williams. McGrady, Johnson and Josh Smith can fill in there.
Camp report
- Rick Sund can sign another veteran to a minimum deal. I’m not certain if that would cause the Hawks to dip their toe across the luxury-tax line. They likely will end up with enough non-guaranteed contracts on the roster that they can make some adjustments later to avoid a year-end tax bill.
- Drew will have the ability to send out some very big lineups. How about McGrady, Johnson, Smith, Al Horford and Jason Collins or McGrady, Johnson, Williams, Smith, and Horford? “There are some different combinations I can use,” Drew said.
- Drew said Sy “has come a long ways as far as improvement,” called Wanamaker “a heady player” and still sounds like he’d like to keep Stackhouse: “He’s had a good camp so far.”
- As you probably heard by now, Jamal Crawford signed with Portland. It turns out he could have been had for the mid-level.
- The Hawks weren’t scrimmaging when media types were let in today but reports say Magnum Rolle has looked pretty good. Word is he’s playing much more aggressively than he did during last season’s Hawks practices and the June minicamp. Atlanta, of course, could use another true big in the rotation behind Al Horford, Zaza Pachulia, Jason Collins and Smith.
- Drew said McGrady sat out yesterday with a sore arm. He was back on the court today.
- Drew said there will be a short practice tomorrow followed by a 45-minute scrimmage. The public event starts at
7:307 p.m. at Philips Arena.
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Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 16th, 2011
12:30 pm
What is it with big men wanting to take 3’s?
They can just watch and let the game come to them. Amar’e has the wingspan and reach to attempt and make those amazing hook shots from every angle but he is injury prone and Horford just does not have what Amare has.
Amare can score inside but it hurts. Horford cant score inside and it hurts watching him. Josh was fat last year but even before that he struggled to score over taller players at times.
He is no Shawn Kemp.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 16th, 2011
12:32 pm
^in regards to Kemp’s superior height and length of course.
reese
December 16th, 2011
12:34 pm
It’s funny when I keep reading or hearing that we have to get the ball to the pg in order to run the fast break. If that were the case, as the opponent, I would just make sure that I kept someone next to the pg in order to slow down the fast break.
For those of you who played basketball, I’m sure that you ran 4 on 3, 3 on 2 and 2 on 1 fast breaks in practice. The ball was not always in the hand of the point guard with these fast break drills.
Plus, teague is a better finisher than both joe, marvin, zaza and collins. With the 4 on 3 and 3 on 2 fast break, you keep the ball in the middle. With the 2 on 1 fast break you keep the ball on the side. At this level, anyone should be able to fill the approriate position on the break.
Additionally, if a player has demonstrated that he can rebound and beat dribble down court faster than other players, then those players are also displaying another fast break method.
Until I see the hawks consistently display multiple basic fast break methodologies, I don’t see them being a consistent successful fast break team.
STRETCH
December 16th, 2011
12:36 pm
“It sounds like he is healing pretty good,” Drew said today. “From my understanding, he is ahead of schedule, and that is a good thing.”
Folks, that is what a man in denial sounds like.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 16th, 2011
12:37 pm
Combined, Josh and Al are ranked in the top 8 of PF/C duos in rebounding in the league. To be ‘undersized’ that is a great stat.
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top 8? Where were Nowitzki and Chandler? Cuz you know, they won the title. Ar we better than the Miami Cheat? The Chi Bulls?
Marion vs Smith
Horford vs Chandler
Nowitzki vs Marvin
#goHawks
STRETCH
December 16th, 2011
12:37 pm
So basically what MC said. They are going to go with what they got.
Translation: “We will cover these bullet wounds with band aids.”
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 16th, 2011
12:40 pm
@reese
When the coach wants Marvin Williams initiating the fast break… Joe Johnson rebounding… don’t even bother. It’s rhetoric.
vava74
December 16th, 2011
12:40 pm
Teague can help us be more effective on the fast break due to 2 factors:
1. He is quicker to loose balls than any other PG we had in the past couple of years (Bibby is slow and Jamal does not rebound).
2. Teague can finish fast breaks on his own (Bibby would be overtaken by everyone).
Where Teague may only have some/limited influence is in gaining the trust from guys like Josh that they can give the rock to Teague without risking the play becoming an half court set because Teague will always avoid that, whilst Bibby had a much higher personal inclination to stop transition plays now that he was getting slower and slower.
People give the example of Nash, which is not a fast guy but is a master on the fast break BUT they were comparing a guy who is slow but nimble with a guy who was stuck on reverse.
THERE WAS (IS) NO OTHER BACK COURT PLAYER REMOTELY AS SLOW AND LESS ATHLETIC THAN BIBBY. Not even Baron and his huge belly.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 16th, 2011
12:41 pm
McGrady sits out with a sore arm… So it begins.
#Hawks
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 16th, 2011
12:42 pm
Caution!
Grand-Daddy, you wanna rassle with me? Ha Ha!
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Never rassle with drmaryb, you’ll get all muddy – besides, she likes it. LOL, now where have I heard that before? (insert a hog for drmaryb).
Happy Holidays – cohorts! Be safe, drink responsibly and most importantly – have fun!
reese
December 16th, 2011
12:43 pm
Also, please quit asking for Zaza to be the starter. We were a losing team when Zaza was the starter. I can’t even believe that Rolle or Benson are decent players until I see that they are outplaying zaza. Which in my opinion should not be hard to do. Examples, zaza has poor offensive skills. They should be able to outscore him in practice. They should be able to out jump him on the post and shoot over him. In drills, they should be able to use their foot speed to go around zaza.
On defense, they should be able to stop him from scoring in practice. They should be able to beat him to loose balls. They should be able to play help defense and then get back to their man.
Too make it simple for the coaches to prove that they are better, they should embarrass him. Not in a malicious way, but in I’m just better than you way and I deserve to play more than you to help this team win.
Ken Strickland
December 16th, 2011
12:46 pm
OBRIEN-How many times did you see Horford, Josh, Zaza and Marvin out on the perimeter trying to defend PGs and SGs? Do you think it was easier for them to rebound when they’re near the basket, or out on the perimeter? When you are routinely put in a position where you can’t fight for rebounding position under the basket, you utilize your athleticism to try and out jump them.
Again, instead of trying to find fault with individual players for not doing a better job of rebounding, we should applaud their ability to do as well as they did under the circumstances they were frequently forced to operate under.
vava74
December 16th, 2011
12:49 pm
reese
December 16th, 2011
12:43 pm
reese, check Zaza’s video interview on the Hawks’ site: after just a couple of days, zaza had bruises in his face and scratches on his shoulders/harms.
it’s not only about jumping and running, its about battling and hustling and zaza battles and hustles, even in practice, whilst until I see it with my eyes, I bet that Benson and Rolle don’t.
Benson was sent back home by Dinamo Sassari and the fans there were MISSING OTHELLO HUNTER who was a god for them.
Ra'mon
December 16th, 2011
12:49 pm
Joe. Jeff, its 8 days straight of practice and sprints. How does it begin?Not many veterans can go 9-10 days straight.
Do you guys remember when we lost Childress, and we thought it would be a great loss? For pennies on the dollar, Sund brought in Flip and Mo to take Childress’ place. And the Hawks ended up winning their first playoff series that season. This year its McGrady, Sy, Vlad, and Stack taking the place of Crawford. I think I like the chances!
cdog
December 16th, 2011
12:50 pm
like the temptations song said, get ready, get ready hawks fans for the losing and the disapointments to began.anything rick sund is associated with, will end up losing as he has always done.someone remind him that you can’t take a mule to the kentucky derby and win.thats what kind of team he has assembled, a group of mules. good luck hawks fans, sund is your man.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 16th, 2011
12:52 pm
Loose Balls!
“They should be able to beat him to loose balls. ” – reese -
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ZaZa and Josh are the ONLY two Hawks I have EVER, EVER, EVER seen belly up for loose balls. What Hawks team have you been watching?
Please tread carefully with your words of trepidation.
reese
December 16th, 2011
12:57 pm
I second the comment questioning why Marvin is the starter. In fact, the signing of Marvin is why we do not have Jamal. His 7 mil is too much for the role he plays. His position is probably the most available player position in the league. There are so many 6′5 to 6′10 players who can play the 3 spot. Josh, Joe and McGrady can all play that position better than Marvin. Drew states that he can play Marvin at the 2 spot. Marvin does not play the 2 spot better than Jamal, Joe or McGrady. So why do we have our fourth best player for a position starting in the small forward position and being considered for the backup shooting guard position.
Plus, Marvin is afraid to initiate fast breaks, afraid to dribble in the middle position during fast breaks, does not fade out enough to fill lanes properly during fast breaks and does not consistently finish strong on fast breaks.
He is more suited for a team that does not fast break and that has multiple players who penetrate and kick out to open shooters.
I understand the teams mantra of no excuses we will fight with what we have. Yet, it is going to be up to Sund to make what we have better (i.e. trade marvin, zaza, kirk)
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 16th, 2011
1:02 pm
The Huddle!
“we should applaud their ability to do as well as they did under the circumstances they were frequently forced to operate under.” -Ken Strickland-
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Copyright that! Doc Rivers is The Master in the Huddle. Coach Drew was spectacular in last season’s, round 1 huddle – he was Doc-Esque when, miked-up! But, this is where Drew did not step up to make any adjustments with his rotations, personnel time management and adjustments in game 2. That’s where we lost momentum and didn’t put our foot on the Bulls neck.
But Ken is right, Drew did not answer the bell and put his guys in their roles. Especially with Jamal, the players were without direction and were free lancing.
Thibbs would have won that series with our team.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 16th, 2011
1:08 pm
790 The Zone!
Yesterday @ 1PM, Ryan Stewart flip-flopped. He picked the Jaguars to defeat the Falcons in Prime Time at The Dome! Then, he saw where the Jaguars had 27 players on the Injury Report and unavailable for the game.
So, Ryan reversed his pick to the Falcons! Smart pick th take the Falcons and the point spread of +9.5. Falcons win 41-14. Our Dirty Birds finally played all 60 minutes.
65 unanswered points in the 2nd halves of their last two games. Let’s Go Birds!
steve brown
December 16th, 2011
1:11 pm
Why do I bother-we can’t, won’t, don’t sign arguably our most clutch performer who signs elsewhere for $5mm (peanuts in the NBA). This front office continues to embarrass the city and fans. Please go away.
reese
December 16th, 2011
1:25 pm
Vava74, too bad othello hunter was an undersized big man and he was competing against Josh and Al for playing time. The problem with Childress is that he wanted too much money for being the hustle guy. He was looking for the type of money that Marvin made and was offered the type of money that zaza makes.
drmaryb.[*_*], I’m watching the same games as you. Zaza is an arena favorite. He makes nice videos portraying rocky. He is a big body who is not afraid to knock players to the floor. He even loves to fall on the floor a lot. He does not back down to the other teams bullies. He bruises well and is not afraid to bleed.
It would be nice if he could make an open 5 footer. It would be nice if he could make a layup. It would be nice if he would take an offensive rebound back up and try to score. It would be nice if he would rotate over and challenge a shot from a guard without fouling them.
Whats not nice is that it doesn’t sound like neither Rolle or Benson are capable of being the big bodied bruiser who can make movies, looked banged up, foul other players, dive for loose balls or be the enforcer.
I guess, I’ll just have to wait to see if they can play basketball.
reese
December 16th, 2011
1:35 pm
I do like the Mcgrady and vlad acquisitions. I don’t mind teague playing the point guard position. I’m just hoping that we acquire a backup point guard like Arenas if he is healthy.
I’m hoping that we acquire a starting center who is capable of making defensive plays without fouling all the time. Is a capable of rebounding on the defensive end and quickly kicking the ball out to a player for the fast break. Capable of getting offensive rebound and taking it backup.
A center who makes an offensive player think twice about going into the lane because they are afraid of getting the shot legitimately blocked. Not knowing that they can go into the lane and get fouled so that they can go to the free throw line.
Ken Strickland
December 16th, 2011
2:12 pm
Our season starts in about 2 weeks, so we’ll soon see what this yrs Hawks are made of. However, after a string of winning seasons, and playoff berths, by the same core of players, I think it would be downright stupid for anyone to predict a losing season for this yrs Hawks. We’ll definitely be a much improved team defensively, and quite possibly offensively as well.
After adjusting to an entirely new and different OFF system, while still walking the ball up and relying on our halfcourt OFF, we managed to gain the 5th seed and advance to the 2nd rd once again. This yr, we’ll have another scoring option, the fastbreak. We’ll also have a solid perimeter DEF, which has been completely nonexistent the last 5+yrs.
This team is far too talented, young, and experienced to collapse. Because of his scoring prowess and flash, a lot of fans have over estimated the impact JCrawford had on our team. They also felt the same way about the Nuggets. Let’s face it, all of you felt they would fall apart after getting rid MCamby and AIverson, and definitely felt that way after getting rid of CAnthony.
Oh how wrong you were, and it will be the same with Jamal.
Melvin
December 16th, 2011
2:14 pm
From hoopsworld: check out the footnote about Marvin…LOL
Josh Smith: To say Josh Smith is tired of taking the blame for all of the Hawks problems as a team is an understatement. But rather than come into camp and complain, Josh dropped some 20 pounds and has been killing it in training camp. The Hawks have marveled at Josh’s drive and motivation and have moved him to the small forward spot to better utilize his athleticism. The Hawks seem pretty happy with where they are in the grand scheme in the Eastern Conference and are reluctant to break that up, which is why the team has turned away overtures on Josh. Like Golden State, it would take a serious player to get the Hawks off the dime on Smith, and as long as the Hawks are in the hunt for home court in the East and Josh continues to lead by example, Hawks sources said recently that moving Josh just didn’t make sense for what’s possible in return. If the Hawks struggle, or implode as a team that could change, but after a full week of camp no one in Atlanta is talking trade, they are talking playoffs and as long as the direction of the team stays that way Josh will stay with the Hawks.
Marvin Williams is another story.
KevinM
December 16th, 2011
2:15 pm
Astro Joe, average is this:
Draft Jeff Teague one year, then the latest trade:
The Hawks draft JC2, then give him away…..along with a #1, which ends up being Chris Singleton.
Atlanta Hawks: 2010-11 record: 44-38 (vs Southeast: 9-7)
They started the year 6-0, then finished 38-38…..
Playoff record: 6-6
Why doesn’t that constitute average?
Now, evaluate our head coach, Larry Drew…Do you consider him better than average? I don’t and like Steve W, I hope we relieve him of his duties before his son is eligible for the NBA.
And where are you getting the 15 girls? Depends on the pool.
I will wait before I reevaluate what we have here. I hope I am 100% wrong….there wouldn’t be much better, because we are limited to do anything.
Heading to the open scrimmage tonight despite my opinion. I want to see Marvin and who might be able to help us off the bench.
KevinM
December 16th, 2011
2:20 pm
Yes, you can’t move Josh like you couldn’t move Bibby because Sund sees them as more valuable than what you get in return…Bibby in his prime…what a bunch of…….
Letting JC1 go I guess told you how much Sund valued his contribution without so much as an offer….the guys he liked always got an offer in plenty of time to refute other teams.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 16th, 2011
2:29 pm
Rocky VII!
reese! OK then re: ZaZa. LOL! Good Stuff keep it coming tough guy.
Sautee
December 16th, 2011
2:32 pm
“Combined, Josh and Al are ranked in the top 8 of PF/C duos in rebounding in the league. To be ‘undersized’ that is a great stat.”
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“top 8? Where were Nowitzki and Chandler? Cuz you know, they won the title. Ar we better than the Miami Cheat? The Chi Bulls?”
Combined rebounds for starting C and PF:
CHI: 20.0
LAL: 18.9 (that was with Odum as PF and gasol C)
ATL: 17.8
DAL: 16.4
MIA: 15.8
hmmmm……..Looks to me like our starters held their own.
O'Brien
December 16th, 2011
2:33 pm
Ken,
You’re missing my point. I agree with giving Teague the keys, and let him drive.
My issue is not with Teague being the starter. My issue is with Sy being the backup. All I am saying is we need a suitable backup PG, so we don’t have to rely on Teague playing 40 minutes every game.
Let’s keep him fresh and energized. And to do that, I think we need to keep his minutes down to no more than 35. I’m just not comfortable with Sy being the backup PG. But I think Teague will do just fine as the starter.
Sautee
December 16th, 2011
2:35 pm
I hope that some of you who are able to attend the open scrimmage will be sending reports to us poor homebound bloggers. Thanks.
Rod from College Park
December 16th, 2011
2:37 pm
reese,
“Plus, Marvin is afraid to initiate fast breaks, afraid to dribble in the middle position during fast breaks, does not fade out enough to fill lanes properly during fast breaks and does not consistently finish strong on fast breaks.”
Add that he can’t run straight without falling, brings the ball down under his waist when he is trying to finish, can’t dribble more than 3 times without picking up his dribble, misses way to many WIDE open jump shots, rebounds poorly for his size, can”t post up and hold his position in the post against smaller players, does not hustle……… But remember his back surgery will improve all of those things. LOL. You are making some great points, keep it up.
Astro Joe
December 16th, 2011
2:42 pm
kevin, 15 teams in the EAstern Conference and we have finished better than 11 of them for the past 3 seasons. Sorry, that is not average. Even in a down year of 44 games, we were the 5th ranked team in the conference and beat the 4th ranked team in the playoffs. If you were the fan of the Raptors, 76ers, Nets, Knicks, Wizards, Bucks, Bobcats, etc., you would have been loking up at the hawks for so long that you neck would be hurting. Come on man, just because a team doesn’t meet your expectations, it doesn’t mean that it is average.
Astro Joe
December 16th, 2011
2:44 pm
OB, I think some of teague’s biggest fans seem content with having him play close to 48 minutes/game. or maybe they are fine with having Sy as his back-up for no good reason other than it will ensure that Teague is the defacto PG. Me, I’m a Hawks fan and anyone with common sense who supports the TEAM knows that we need an adequate replacement for Hinrich.
Mr. Mojo
December 16th, 2011
2:47 pm
Once again ASG will do nothing to help this team get over the hump. They are whats holding this team back. Basically another year with the same squad and no major improvements. They can’t even sell the team the right way. what a joke
Slimjr
December 16th, 2011
2:50 pm
Wasn’t it reported that Mavin was a standout this week in camp? I guess you guys will confirm tonight?
A bulging disk is a very big deal for a professional athlete and for us for that matter…It was probably bothering him(chronic) for a very long time? He finally felt it was time to get it resolved..
Ladies and Gents may Sund/Drew present the new and improved Marvin Williams, the #2 lottery pick!
Rod from College Park
December 16th, 2011
2:54 pm
While some of you are convinced that we will easily be able to replace Jamal’s scoring ability, I am very interested to see what happens this year, especially in the playoffs with no real scorer. While I understand that we could not afford Jamal, and had to let him go, I think many of you are underestimating what having a guy who can get his own shot, take his man off the dribble, and commands a double team means in the NBA, especially on this team with no pure scorer’s, and especially in the playoffs. Unless Horford ups his scoring average tremendously, TMac reverts back to 5 or 6 years ago, and Joe learns how to take over a game, we will not be able to score enough to win in the playoffs. Time will tell.
tremaine
December 16th, 2011
2:56 pm
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Astro Joe
December 16th, 2011
2:57 pm
Sautee, I plan to be there tonight with my boys. No, not my boyz, but my boys, as in sons.
KevinM
December 16th, 2011
3:01 pm
Astro, the Hawks are a good team….they are not an elite nor a bad team. Just because there are more bad teams than elite doesn’t make them much more than they are.
How were the Hawks vs. teams above .500?
Hollinger has the Hawks ending last year at 22…22nd place out of 30.
Wanna look at odds to contend?
2.9% to win the division in 2010
0.3% to be the #1 seed
1.9% to make the Finals
0.5% to win the LOB trophy
A ranking of 10th last year heading into the playoffs. I guess they overachieved to beat Orlando.
I don’t have to go beyond 2010 to compute what we are seeing here. Good is average in this league; they are not a contender as built.
I wish they were. Were we better in the playoffs last year? Yes, we won 2 2nd round games. That’s an improvement.
Lets just call them a .500 team that needs significant improvement to contend.
bigdave
December 16th, 2011
3:13 pm
have any of you been to the scrimmage before? is it a good way of assessing the team/individual improvements or will guys just be playing around etc.. ?
KevinM
December 16th, 2011
3:15 pm
This is an ‘AI’ kind of season huh? Not a lot of ‘practice’ time to worry about………..
O'Brien
December 16th, 2011
3:15 pm
Rod,
Jamal scored a lot of points, but how many points did he give up?
In the regular season, I don’t think the Hawks can replace his scoring with one or 2 people. Their best bet (imo) is to get more points in transition, rebound the ball better (therefore limiting the other team’s possessions), play better defense overall, and hope the offense maximizes their possessions.
For example, last season, Marvin, JJ and Josh took and missed a bunch of 3’s. Hopefully, Marvin and JJ will make more (open) shots, and Josh will take better shots.
That being said, you bring up a very good point. What will they do in the playoffs? When the Bulls went up against a good defensive team in Miami, they needed someone outside of Rose to create their own shot, but nobody else could.
When that happens, the Hawks best hope is probably for Teague to duplicate his Chicago performance, for JJ to get hot like he did in game 4 against Boston, and the other guys to live up to their season averages.
KevinM
December 16th, 2011
3:16 pm
bigdave, there is a blip of last years on Hawks.com…
I think its a good way to see the guys in action and get an ideal on what we have as far as backups, because we basically know about the returning ‘core’.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 16th, 2011
3:17 pm
Stats and Facts!
“hmmmm……..Looks to me like our starters held their own.” -Sautee-
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Thanks for the info Sautee. This is Too Much Good Stuff. I had no idea our boys were ranked so high and ahead of Tyson and Dirk is unfathomable to me.
So what we need now is some rebounding help from the bullpen of relievers. A bonafide closer and a designated hitter, a big bopper to help Mr. Johnson in the 4th quarter to replace Jamal.
Do we have that?
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 16th, 2011
3:32 pm
JUST Like I thought.
Combined rebounds for starting C and PF:
CHI: 20.0
LAL: 18.9 (that was with Odum as PF and gasol C)
ATL: 17.8
DAL: 16.4
MIA: 15.8
Whats not advertised here is rebound %. These are totals. As in Josh and Horford play a combined 70mpg.
If we used percentages.
Boozer + Noah – 36% of rebounds
Smith + Horford – 31% of rebounds
Marion + Chandler – 31% of rebounds
36%> 31%
Thats only one side of the ball anyways. You can get away with that level of average rebounding if you have above average scoring.
IE Marion + Chandler have Nowitzki’s offense to bolster them and his ~12% rebounding. Hawks have Marvin Williams offense and his 10% rebounding.
lol
#Hawks
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 16th, 2011
3:40 pm
Repost!
From hoopsworld: check out the footnote about Marvin…LOL
Josh Smith: To say Josh Smith is tired of taking the blame for all of the Hawks problems as a team is an understatement. But rather than come into camp and complain, Josh dropped some 20 pounds and has been killing it in training camp. The Hawks have marveled at Josh’s drive and motivation and have moved him to the small forward spot to better utilize his athleticism. The Hawks seem pretty happy with where they are in the grand scheme in the Eastern Conference and are reluctant to break that up, which is why the team has turned away overtures on Josh. Like Golden State, it would take a serious player to get the Hawks off the dime on Smith, and as long as the Hawks are in the hunt for home court in the East and Josh continues to lead by example, Hawks sources said recently that moving Josh just didn’t make sense for what’s possible in return. If the Hawks struggle, or implode as a team that could change, but after a full week of camp no one in Atlanta is talking trade, they are talking playoffs and as long as the direction of the team stays that way Josh will stay with the Hawks.
Marvin Williams is another story
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WOW! Melvin, O’Brien, Ken Strickland, Grand-Daddy, Sautee, KevinM, SteveW – et.al.
Does this mean, Josh is being moved permanently to the SF spot? If this is true, then who will play the PF permanently and subsequently, the Center? Are we creating new holes on our roster?
This is mind numbing to me.
Rod from College Park
December 16th, 2011
3:44 pm
O’Brien,
Yes Jamal was not a great defender, but his scoring ability more than makes up for his defense. With Bibby that really was a problem because he was not a dependable scorer any more. Majortiy of the time, Jamal socres more points than he gives up. We might score more points in transition during the regular season, but that won’t be the case in the playoffs. Let me let you in on a little secret. Josh and Al will not become better rebounders. Someone already posted that Josh’s rebounding #’s make him the #1 rebounding small forward in the league, and him losing 25 pounds let me know that he will be playing SF. He won’t rebound better from the SF position. Horford won’t get much better than he is rebounding at the 4 or the 5. If the team stays constucted as is, in the playoffs, teams will focus on shutting down Joe, leave Josh open on the perimeter, close out on Al, and make Teague, Marvin …. beat them. If TMac can revert back to the scoring TMac then we might be ok, but other than him, nobody else on our team is a pure scorer.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 16th, 2011
3:55 pm
Rod from CP!
Nice post. Keep it coming!
Astro Joe
December 16th, 2011
4:00 pm
bigdave, i went a few years ago. It is average (to use Kevin’s favorite term
). It is definitely a great family event, especially if you have kids who play ball. They get to see the big shots running some of the same drills. The year I went, it was more practice… drills, learning new plays, etc. and less of a scrimmage. And of course, the sales folk are there to hit you up about buying tickets.
Slimjr
December 16th, 2011
4:03 pm
“Marvin Williams is another story”
DAYUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Shoot……………..@#$%^