Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 7

It appears the Hawks are in no hurry to add another veteran guard. And if Kirk Hinrich continues his quick recovery from shoulder surgery, Larry Drew said there’s a chance they may try to get by with that they have until he returns to the lineup.

“It sounds like he is healing pretty good,” Drew said today. “From my understanding, he is ahead of schedule, and that is a good thing. He wants to hurry up and get back but we have got to let this thing take its course. It’s something you can’t rush. Those type injuries they could really set you back.”

Hinrich had the procedure in early November and the Hawks said he would be out 3-4 months. He’s been shooting baskets but still doesn’t have full range of motion and hasn’t been cleared to run.

Drew said the Hawks inquired about free agent point guard Carlos Arroyo but were told he’s playing elsewhere. He said there have been internal discussions about Gilbert Arenas and other free agents but “right now we are not making decisions on any of those guys.”

So it’s possible the Hawks could start the season without adding another vet guard and patch it together while Hinrich mends.

“We’ve talked about that as a [coaching] staff and management,” Drew said. “But timetable-wise there is no guarantee when he is going to come back. It’s not like we know, ‘Exactly this date,’ and know what we are working with. We’ve got to make a decision from that point. Do we try to keep our head above water until he gets back or do we get some help? Right now we are going to go with what we have and if something falls through the cracks we will take a look.”

Right now at point guard the Hawks have Jeff Teague and Pape Sy plus camp invitees Brad Wanamaker and Donald Sloan. The shooting guards are veterans Joe Johnson and Tracy McGrady as well as camp invitees Zach Graham and Jerry Stackhouse. Sy and Wanamaker also can play there, and Drew said even Marvin Williams could spot minutes at shooting guard.

You can see that without Hinrich available to play both guard spots there’s not much depth at all, much less guys the Hawks can be certain will be productive and reliable. It spills over to small forward, too, where there is no real backup for Williams. McGrady, Johnson and Josh Smith can fill in there.

Camp report

  • Rick Sund can sign another veteran to a minimum deal. I’m not certain if that would cause the Hawks to dip their toe across the luxury-tax line. They likely will end up with enough non-guaranteed contracts on the roster that they can make some adjustments later to avoid a year-end tax bill.
  • Drew will have the ability to send out some very big lineups. How about McGrady, Johnson, Smith, Al Horford and Jason Collins or McGrady, Johnson, Williams, Smith, and Horford? “There are some different combinations I can use,” Drew said.
  • Drew said Sy “has come a long ways as far as improvement,” called Wanamaker “a heady player” and still sounds like he’d like to keep Stackhouse: “He’s had a good camp so far.”
  • As you probably heard by now, Jamal Crawford signed with Portland. It turns out he could have been had for the mid-level.
  • The Hawks weren’t scrimmaging when media types were let in today but reports say Magnum Rolle has looked pretty good. Word is he’s playing much more aggressively than he did during last season’s Hawks practices and the June minicamp. Atlanta, of course, could use another true big in the rotation behind Al Horford, Zaza Pachulia, Jason Collins and Smith.
  • Drew said McGrady sat out yesterday with a sore arm. He was back on the court today.
  • Drew said there will be a short practice tomorrow followed by a 45-minute scrimmage. The public event starts at 7:30 7 p.m. at Philips Arena.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

350 comments Add your comment

Rev in Tampa

December 15th, 2011
8:43 pm

Can we watch the Falcons on the computer like we could with the Hawks? Does anybody have a link? HOOK ME UP!

Rev in Tampa

December 15th, 2011
8:49 pm

Everybody’s watching the Falcons game but me! I could be FIRST through TENTH. How can I get the game???

J from the A

December 15th, 2011
8:54 pm

Third … just to disrupt Rev’s 1-10. ;)

Big Ray

December 15th, 2011
8:56 pm

So basically, we’ll just be waiting to see if

- Stack gets signed.

- which end of the bench hopeful gets signed.

Ok then…back to Falcons football.

I hope we add Stack, don’t care about Rolle, and I guess Wannamaker? I don’t know. Don’t have a horse in this race….

Najeh Davenpoop

December 15th, 2011
8:57 pm

Rev in Tampa, the blog filter is eating my post, but try this link:

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The Real Mandingo

December 15th, 2011
8:57 pm

Ra'mon

December 15th, 2011
8:57 pm

myp2pforum.eu @ Rev. Its something like that.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 15th, 2011
8:57 pm

The blog monster ate my post Rev. They Hatin.

FIRE SUND

J from the A

December 15th, 2011
8:58 pm

MC,

I know you have heard a lot of times already this preseason, but I have really appreciated the wonderful job you have done covering the FA/Camp season.

Haven’t been talking much. Just enjoying your write ups and everyone else’s commentaries, but now with everyone but Rev and I watching the Falcon’s game, what am I to do?

J from the A

December 15th, 2011
8:59 pm

Ah, some of the seasoned vets have made it back … I can go back to pulling a 10-11 Marvin Williams. ;)

Rev in Tampa

December 15th, 2011
9:03 pm

Thanks fellas! The link works just fine. Now I won’t have to kick the dog.

Ra'mon

December 15th, 2011
9:07 pm

Any one checking out the Miller Grove vs. Oak Hill game?

superiorblogman

December 15th, 2011
9:10 pm

Nothing here worth discussing. True ignorance coming at this point. Case and point. Everything this week has been about running then we hear of possibilities of playing a broken down T-Mac at PG in big lineup situations. McGrady has no business playing PG for a team trying to push the pace and neither does Kirk Hinrich to be honest. Let’s be honest, the Hawks management ASG, Sund, and LD are just talking out of there backends. They don’t have the personnel to do any of the things they talk of consistently.

Ra'mon

December 15th, 2011
9:11 pm

I’m doing an NBA Fantasy League on ESPN. The draft will be on Monday at 8:00 P.M. Anyone interested in joining, let me know your email, and I will send the invite. It is a 5 player keeper league!

Rev in Tampa

December 15th, 2011
9:13 pm

I’m a little surprised that LD seems unconcerned with the lack of depth at pg. Does he have that much faith in Sy? LD’s practice has been to bury the “rook” at the end of the bench.

Dave in ATL

December 15th, 2011
9:14 pm

MC, where do the Hawks stack up to the rest of the league in terms salary they spent last year? What’s it look like for this year?  Seems like teams are dumping salary and we are pretty steady.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 15th, 2011
9:18 pm

myp2pforum is now forum dot wiziwig dot eu

A concerned fan..

December 15th, 2011
9:19 pm

After this year, we should have some cap room relief, right? Maybe more than 5 million?

Dawg

December 15th, 2011
9:33 pm

The Hawks play for a cheap butt organization. They can justify and explain but the bottom line is that are inept managers.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 15th, 2011
9:41 pm

Who going to the scrimmage 2morrow? Meet me at the Jack Daniels.

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 15th, 2011
9:43 pm

Drew will have the ability to send out some very big lineups. How about McGrady, Johnson, Smith, Al Horford and Jason Collins or McGrady, Johnson, Williams, Smith, and Horford? “There are some different combinations I can use,” Drew said.

How about you stop BSing. Setting up Smith to be the scapegoat. Where’s Vlad in these lineups.

Smith + Vlad = Power 3 + Stretch 4

Keep Smith off the perimeter.

brigadierjerry

December 15th, 2011
9:46 pm

Pre-season nba games start tomorrow for anyone that cares

Chicago 7:00 pm EST
at
Indiana WGN, FSIN

Philadelphia 7:00 pm EST
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Washington CSP, CSW

Cleveland 7:30 pm EST
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Detroit

New Orleans 8:00 pm EST

Memphis

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 15th, 2011
9:50 pm

New Orleans playing with new acquisitions?

J from the A

December 15th, 2011
9:57 pm

The Hawks starting 5 are legit, and if the early reports are any indication, the Hawks starting 5 will be even stronger than last year, but … as MC correctly points out, the Hawks have major depth problems.

Until Kirk gets back, T-Mac is probably the Hawks’ best PG, SG, and SF coming off the bench. That is problematic. Until Kirk comes back, the Hawks do not have a legit rotational PG sitting on the bench. (Go ahead and put your hopes in Sy and Wannaker.) The Hawks barely have a legit rotational SG in McGrady. Do the Hawks even have a SF sitting on their bench? At PF, the Hawks have Vlad Rad coming off the bench. I like the pick up, but if he is the only PF coming off the bench, the Hawks are in trouble. The only position where the Hawks have depth is at the Center position.

I know. I know. The Hawks have starters who are very versatile and can play multiple positions well, but in a compressed season like this, do you really want all your starters logging 40+ minutes a game?

DSC

December 15th, 2011
9:59 pm

you guys think we should amnesty joe after his season and offer eric gordon a max?

Ra'mon

December 15th, 2011
10:05 pm

DSC, Gordon doesn’t play defense.

Ken Strickland

December 15th, 2011
10:07 pm

Some of you NEGATIVE MINDED INDIVIDUALS act like the Hawks have been a total failure as a team and organization. I don’t know about you, but our consecutive playoff appearances, and consecutive trips to the 2nd rd of the playoffs aint bad at all. And when you consider our history before Woodson was hired, it makes what we’ve managed to accomplish even more gratifying. But all of that doesn’t matter one bit if your mentality is geared exclusively towards the GLASS BEING HALF EMPTY APPROACH.

ASTRO JOE-Drew’s recent committment to running involves more than just Teague. Remember, this is the final yr of his contract, and he has to show improvement if he wants to return. He has no choice but to start Teague, after his breakout performance in the playoffs against league MVP DRose, and after management took away his 2 crutches, Bibby & Crawford.

Teague represents the best chance for the Hawks to have a breakout season and get to the next level, and save his job. And running will take full advantage of his talents, as well as the talents of his teammates.

Big Ray

December 15th, 2011
10:16 pm

Ken Strickland ,

I honestly feel like Teague is not the linchpin to the Hawks running more. Two things:

1) Rebounding. You don’t rebound, you don’t run. It’s that simple. Either we start team rebounding like we mean it, or all of this speed and athleticism will count for nothing.

2) The Hawks veterans have to let Teague run the break. Give him the ball after a rebound. If we look up and see Marvin, Smith, and Horford leading the break instead of finishing, then what’s the point of having Jeff Teague?

DSC

December 15th, 2011
10:19 pm

Ra’mon,

His future is as bright as any two guard in the league’s though. I’d take him over johnson any day of the week.

Ken Strickland

December 15th, 2011
10:22 pm

J FROM A-The Hawks have played the past 3yrs without a legimate and/or productive PG. Jamal definitely wasn’t a legimate PG, and Bibby wasn’t productive, since he’d regressed to the point where he became both an OFF and DEF liability. So what’s the big deal about us going without a legimate backup PG at this point?

smh

December 15th, 2011
10:23 pm

Well playesrs can’t establish themselves if they ARENT GIVEN AN OPPOURTUNITY TO PROVE THEMSELVES SMH!!!!! ALL YOU FOLKS DISSING SY SHOULD BE ASHAMED!! WERE THE ONLY TEAM THAT DOES THAT BS AND WE’VE CERTAINLY PAID FOR IT OVER THE YEARS. NOT TO MENTION LAST YEAR HALF OF YOU FOOLS WANTED TEAGUE TO STILL PLAY BEHIEND BIBBY!! FREAKIN BANDWAGONERS MAN SMH!! SOME OF Y’ALL HAV NO EYES FOR TALENT. NOW TEAGUE IS BEASIN AND Y’ALL ACT LIKE YOU CALLED IT ALL ALONG. PLZ PUT YUR FOOT IN YOU MOUTHS WHERE IT BELONGS!

PAPE IS GONNA TURN HEADS AND REMEBER WHO CALLED IT FIRST!!!

rash

December 15th, 2011
10:25 pm

heck yeah let the starters play 40+ mins. a game not bad for a days work hell i work 8+hrs 5 days a week so i think all the millions they make i would have no problem playing every minute get real dude

MattP

December 15th, 2011
10:28 pm

Ken Strickland,

Yes, we made it to playoff 4 times in a row, but we also got sweeped in the second round 2 times in a row. Look at how much the roster has change during this period, almost nothing I would say. Yes, we put up a decent fight against the Bulls but did they change what was need to be changed this of season? LD is starting Teague because he has to, if they got another vet PG more then likely LD would bench Teague.

To sum it up, Who would sit still when they get sweeped 2 times in a row in the second round? Look at the Bulls, they added RIP which is a SG they needed, and there are rumors they are looking into Howard.

MattP

December 15th, 2011
10:33 pm

Big Ray
December 15th, 2011
10:16 pm

Ken Strickland ,

I honestly feel like Teague is not the linchpin to the Hawks running more. Two things:

1) Rebounding. You don’t rebound, you don’t run. It’s that simple. Either we start team rebounding like we mean it, or all of this speed and athleticism will count for nothing.

2) The Hawks veterans have to let Teague run the break. Give him the ball after a rebound. If we look up and see Marvin, Smith, and Horford leading the break instead of finishing, then what’s the point of having Jeff Teague?
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I agree 100% with this. That is one thing the management needed to look into changing is to get better at rebounding, but they decide to bring Collins back and not even worry about any other big men.

Also, I agree with the Vets need to let Teague run the ball, I am tired of seeing Smith try to.

ryan

December 15th, 2011
10:38 pm

Kamen does not plan to stay NO you thank Hawks might take look a look .

Big Ray

December 15th, 2011
10:39 pm

MattP,

That’s what puzzles me. We bring Collins back because he can play Dhoward. I get that. But what about all the games where we don’t play him? I mean, geez…

And I’m with you on watching Smith run the break. Enough already. He can fill highlight reels much better by filling the lane and finishing.

Big Ray

December 15th, 2011
10:41 pm

Ryan,

No. Kaman costs money, and the Atlanta Gearons don’t want to spend any. They also don’t want to trade anybody they have that isn’t end of the bench.

SteveW

December 15th, 2011
10:58 pm

Well, it looks like the Bulls may release either Lucas or Pargo. And the Rockets will probably release either Johnny Flynn or Jeremy Lin. We may get a backup PG yet. I’m sure there are others out there.

Just Joe

December 15th, 2011
10:59 pm

I think the roster is set, with the exception of Stackhouse playing on a series of short term contracts to start the season. When healthy:

Guards: Teague, Johnson, Hinrich, Sy, McGrady
Forwards: Williams, Smith, Radmanovic, Rolle
Centers: Horford, Pachulia, Collins

I’m glad to hear something positive about Rolle. He has an interesting skill set at 6′10″+, with a 7′4″ wingspan, athleticism, can handle the ball, and has a decent mid-range jumper. If he’ll give the effort, there’s no reason why he can’t contribute 5-8 high-energy minutes a night at PF.

Melvin

December 15th, 2011
11:00 pm

With the league owning the Hornets, what’s your over&under that the Hornets will get the #1 draft pick in next year draft? Better yet, whats your over&under that the Hornets will have two of the top 5 picks in next year draft?……

Remember, Stern knows where the bodies are buried….LOL…. #TheDraftIsRigged….

SteveW

December 15th, 2011
11:01 pm

I actually like the Clippers less now. They sent their depth to the Hornets. And that Minny pick.

Now Rick Adelman will have to perform wonders for that pick not to be high lottery.

Also a rumor Minny is looking at amnesty for Ridnour. If they pulled the trigger on that one, he’d be a very good back up to Teague.

SteveW

December 15th, 2011
11:03 pm

Rolle – I follow Indy pretty closely, and they bragged him to high heaven last year in Camp. And one of the ESPN guys said he was a real sleeper also. Also glad to hear the good report. We sure need him to turn into a 10-15 mpg guy.

Ken Strickland

December 15th, 2011
11:08 pm

BIG RAY-I don’t think rebounding will stop us from running, unless we use that as an excure not to run. Poor rebounding might limit how often you can run, but not your committment to running. You can’t tell me that the SNash led Suns, and the Magic led Lakers, 2 teams that epitimized running, were prolific rebounding teams.

They weren’t successful as running teams because of any dominant rebounding ability. Their success was due to a committment to running whenever the opportunity presented itself. LDrew has to make running and trying to score off fastbreak opportunities our #1 priority, and his beloved MOTION OFF our #2 option.

Rebounding wasn’t the reason we didn’t run in the past. We just chose to walk the ball up, rather than pushing the ball, and it was primarily because we didn’t have the PGs to successfull make it happen. In he playoffs last yr, none of our players knew Teague would even get off the bench, let alone get a chance to ball like he did. It was a last minute and unexpected occurrance.

Also, even though Bibby was traded away in Feb, there were no changes or adjustments made to our OFF or OFF approach. This is a new season, and Teague’s teammates have seen what he can do. As a result, they will have far more confidence in his ability to get it done than they had when he was unexpectedly thrown into the fire.

Rather than continuing to run their own fastbreaks, I don’t think Marvin, JJ, Josh or Horford would hesitate to give the ball to Teague and fill the lane. They know he’ll consistently push the ball up the court fast, which gives them and the team a better chance to score.

CajunStorm

December 15th, 2011
11:10 pm

Did I miss something? Where in the heck is Zaza? He should be starting at the 5 so we can exploit our size & athlethic advantage of the 2,3, & 4. Everyone talking about Josh is not a 3 is kinda goofy. What he needs to do is watch a ton of film on Shawn Marion in his prime. Shawn & Josh share the same attributes & the same handicaps….not good shooters. Josh is athletically better & would put up better #’s AND play better D. Let Al be the 4….hes starting to cry for it and let’s see what this team can do with the Teague I saw in college & last years playoffs running the show fulltime. Joe…has to have a bounce back year. Idk….feels like we might do something this tear.

Ken Strickland

December 15th, 2011
11:17 pm

MATTP-After the Magic went to the NBA finals, rather than keeping their core in place, they tried to get better by making a series of trades. Each yr they made those trades, trying to get better, they actually got worse. As a result, they are about to lose their franchise player, and they don’t have much of anything on their roster to build around.

Can anyone say that they wouldn’t have been better if they had kept their core in tact? Once they realized they had made a big mistake, they brought back the key player that was let go.

superiorblogman

December 15th, 2011
11:27 pm

Easy. Kirk, Zaza, and a 2nd for Kaman. Kaman is expiring this year just like Hinrich. Zaza has one more year next year. They can flip Hinrich again for a 1st round pick to someone like the Lakers and end up with Zaza a 2nd and a 1st for Kaman. That’s a good flip and very realistic. Want happening because management does not know how to manage there assets.

Michael Cunningham

December 15th, 2011
11:31 pm

@J from the A: thanks for the compliment.

MattP

December 15th, 2011
11:31 pm

Ken, I’m not saying make a trade every year to try and make the team better. What I was getting to is how they did almost nothing over this 4 year period. Yes, bringing in Crawford was nice but they were to stupid and gave Johnson this huge contract making it impossible to resign Crawford. What is they point in draft people in the areas you need when you don’t even try and play them. Yes, I know they need to be worked in but they don’t get worked in. The only reason Teague got time to play last year was because of Hinrich, LD was forced to play him. Imagine if that didn’t happen and we didn’t see Teague play against the Bulls. If LD worked Teague in at the beginning of this season by giving him alittle bit more minutes throughout the season we could afford to let Jamal walk and we would have Jordon with the offense coming of the bench.

And it is not just with improve their roster, they have made some bad contracts lately which keep them out of FA.

Michael Cunningham

December 15th, 2011
11:33 pm

@Davie in ATL: “MC, where do the Hawks stack up to the rest of the league in terms salary they spent last year? What’s it look like for this year? Seems like teams are dumping salary and we are pretty steady.”

they were about eighth in payroll last season. not sure yet where they come in this year.

Michael Cunningham

December 15th, 2011
11:35 pm

@A concerned fan: “After this year, we should have some cap room relief, right? Maybe more than 5 million?”

no, not next year as it stands now. will have some room under the tax line but only six guaranteed guys under contract.