Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 6

Could Jerry Stackhouse be the Hawks’ Alonzo Mourning?.

Normally, I’d say there are two things working against him: I’m not sure if Stack’s role would be very significant if he does make the roster, and he’s the new guy on a team whose main cogs have been together for a while.

But Stack has two other things working for him that could help him overcome those hurdles: His familiarity with Hawks players from summer workouts over the last few years, and the sheer force of his personality.

In fact, Al Horford said Stack has wasted no time making his mark.

“Stack is already doing it, just kind of taking over and pulling guys to the side and talking to them,” he said. “We respect him. I’m happy when he does it because he sees things a different way. You might not see them that way but then they make sense [when he points them out]. I’m happy he’s on the team and I think he’s going to be a big help for us this year with the locker room and keeping people on the same page.”

I get the feeling Larry Drew wants Stackhouse around just for that. It may not happen on a team with a payroll that’s creeping up to the luxury-tax line and needs all the useful guards it can get–Stackhouse’s production and efficiency have generally been on a steady decline since 2007, though he didn’t get to show what he has left in a cameo with the Heat last season.

Here’s a transcript of an interview with Stack on the subject of leadership.

L.D. says he values your leadership, but how do you approach being a leader when you are the new guy on a team that’s been together?

I don’t look at as a new guy on the team. Ain’t nothing about me new. [Laughs] I enjoy it, man, because I know these guys and I’ve been around them a lot in the summer and watched them from afar for two or three years and just felt like they were right there. Even when I went to Milwaukee [in 2009-10], this was a team that I felt I could bring some intangibles to it. They’ve got all the pieces, and sometimes it’s just in between the ears. Sometimes it’s not always about the young guys taking another step, it’s about the veterans taking another step with their leadership. So I’m just trying to stay in Joe’s ear, stay in Josh’s ear, and that is where the value is.

I love to get on the court and do some things but I’m realistic about that, especially with a short season and so many games and trying to manage that. [So] a lot of it is just talking. You are not going to be able to do a lot of on the court once the season gets going. It’s more about how you approach the mental side of it. I’ve been on a lot of good teams and a few bad teams, and I know what the makeup of those are and some of those warning signs. When I see some slippage and we can bring it and address it, and that is one key to a championship team is feedback and not being afraid of feedback, from coaches and players. Everybody accept the feedback from the players and understand it because these are guys on the court getting it done and if they are not cohesive then it’s not going to get done no matter how good a game plan the coaches have. That’s where it’s at. It’s been great so far.

You talked about accepting feedback. When I talk to coaches who played in the league and some older vets, a lot of them say one way the league has changed is it’s gotten a lot younger and players are too sensitive to criticism. Have you seen some of that?

Not with this group. Everybody’s ears are wide open. That’s refreshing. You get some of these guys . . . I have my summer league in North Carolina and I get a lot of those young guys from John Wall to all of them and, believe me, not everybody is as open to it. They feel like once they get drafted, they have arrived, and that is so far from reality. I still feel like right now there are areas I can get better in, even maybe with my leadership. My plan is to coach. I’m always reading up on things. I picked up things from here where, if it all ends today I look at as a positive experience because I can take it back to my AAU team. That’s where I’m at with it.

You said you like to read. Do you mean about leadership?

Yeah, a lot of leadership and self-help.

Anything in particular?

It’s called The Power of Intention. Dr. [Wayne W.] Dwyer. Some people are so finicky on religion, so he just says it’s ‘The Source.’ Well, my ‘Source’ is the Man above. There’s a lot of good principles in there and the ways of winning [as a] team. There is no secret to it. When you have these successful teams and successful businesses there are a lot of parallels you see with those groups, and when teams and businesses that don’t do well there are a lot of parallels between what happens in those groups, too. Hopefully I can take those little nuances and gradually slip little notes to these guys, just something to think about. Because I still want to win a championship. I’m a little selfish, too. As much as I want to give, I want to contribute to putting one [ring] on my finger. It’s a win-win for everybody.

What do you see as your value as a player at this point in your career?

I still can’t be guarded. [Laughs]. I can still get my shot off and do what I do. It’s amazing how it goes. [Holds one hand above the other]: When you lack the knowledge you got all this athleticism. And then right in your prime they kind of equal out. [Brings hands together]. And then you lose the athleticism but this [holds opposite hand high] is real high right now. I am able to use my smarts to get to my spots and do the things I know. These coaches and everything have been around me and they know the spots that I like best.

Cap report

During the Jamal Crawford drama last weekend, I heard Rick Sund was desperately looking for ways to shed salary so the Hawks could gain some relief under the tax line and add a vet free agent or do a sign-and-trade using Jamal. There are two main ways for teams to dump salary: 1. Use the amnesty clause, which the Hawks have ruled out (likely because of cash flow concerns as much as anything else) or 2. Send out more salary in a trade than they take back.

No. 2 is more easily accomplished if the trading partner has a trade exception to to help with the salary matching. Then a team can send away a big salary and take back a small one or a draft pick (plus earn its own trade exception)–see the Lamar Odom trade to Dallas.

But that kind of trade doesn’t happen often, and it works best when a team has a productive players with a reasonable salary they are looking to dump. The Hawks, of course, don’t have any of those kind of players beyond the ones they want to keep, so that probably explains why Sund ultimately wasn’t able to find a way to shed salary. I’m not certain if he’s still trying to do it but it’s going to be tough without using the amnesty.

In any event, ShamSports.com has a list of teams with trade exceptions, though it doesn’t look to have been updated since the summer.

Camp report

  • Word is Brad Wanamaker has stood out among the young camp invitees. John Hollinger likes Wanamaker, whom came in at No. 37 in his draft rater (Insider).
  • The Hawks updated some weights on their official roster. Jason Collins is 255, down from 265; Horford is 250, up from 245; Josh is 225, down from 250; and Marvin Williams is 245, up from 240.
  • I haven’t heard anything on the Hawks and Gilbert Arenas. Arenas reportedly is waiting to see what happens with Dwight Howard. The latest news is that Howard will stay in Orlando for now. Or maybe not.
  • Howard was reportedly upset that the Orlando amnestied (verb!) Arenas and also because the Magic haven’t made moves to his liking. Of course, there would be no way for the Magic to make any significant moves if they hadn’t amnestied Arenas. This just goes to show you that a lot of players don’t really understand even the broad outlines of how the CBA works and how their own contracts make it more difficult to get them help.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

223 comments Add your comment

Sol

December 15th, 2011
6:35 pm

Please fire Rick Sund, this guy is worse than Billy Knight. Jamel Crawford for $5 mil. that is a bargain and they still will not sign him. What a joke, i am done being Hawks fun until they get new GM and Owners.

Yawn

December 15th, 2011
6:46 pm

Is there a less exciting, more predictable team in sports than the Hawks? Get a 4-5 seed, win either 0 or 1 playoff series, get bounced, repeat.

KevinM

December 15th, 2011
6:48 pm

When Detroit won the title, didn’t we have a big hand in that? Didn’t we give them the final piece to that puzzle that put them over the top?
They don’t win without Rasheed that year.
“It gives us a real shot to compete at the highest level in the NBA right now,” Dumars said.
“That fact that we didn’t have to break up our team and we were able to add the guy we did, it made it a no-brainer move for us,” Dumars said. “It created cap space and we didn’t mess with our core, so it was a great deal for us.”

This just sounds so eerily similar to what we are dealing with here. The problem is we don’t have wiggle room like what Dumars created. That was a once-in-a-lifetime strategy that worked to the max. Something so outrageous will not fall in our lap like this.

“I think this is what’s best for the Hawks,” Hawks general manager Billy Knight said. “I’m trying to build a team for the long haul in the best way possible. Rasheed’s a heck of a player, but I think this is best for us and best for him.”

Cleveland coach Paul Silas said he couldn’t understand why the Hawks made the deal.

“That’s going to make the Pistons awfully tough,” Silas said. “I just don’t know what some people are thinking about.”

Our history just has not been in our favor, example after example.

Ken Strickland

December 15th, 2011
6:59 pm

ASTRO JOE-Please go back and reread my comments, and you’ll hopefully see where I said a team has to also make a committment to run. And thanks for the needless roster updates. Although we traded Bibby at the trade deadline, our OFF approach didn’t change with his departure. Also, Hinrich was slightly damaged goods when he arrived, and LDrew still chose keep Teague buried at the end of the bench.

Please understand that REFERENCING a former player and/or past situation, to make a point or comparison, is a lot different than trying to make that player and/or situation a current issue. LDrew prevented us from running by making a committment to start and play Bibby major mins at PG, which represented a none committment on his part to running.

By starting Teague, he has essentially made a committment to run, because it’s what Teague does best, along with the rest of our starters. Basically, you’re looking for any excuse to express your negative, instigating approach, even if you have to isolate and/or misrepresent what’s been said.

Acquiring Hinrich, and solidifying our perimeter DEF, allowed us to eliminate the very Orlando team that’s dominated us over the last few yrs, and established an NBA record with an embarrassing playoff elimination.

EmirS.

December 15th, 2011
7:13 pm

” i am done being Hawks fun” -Sol (im guessing fun = fan)

You are a liar sir. You are just mad atm. However when your more stable you’ll realize that it’s addictive.

Astro Joe

December 15th, 2011
7:30 pm

Strickland, considering the options left at PG, I wouldn’t assume that Teague is starting because they are making a commitment to run. If they weren’t making a commitment to run, who would be starting at PG in about 10 days?

Najeh Davenpoop

December 15th, 2011
7:33 pm

“Cleveland coach Paul Silas said he couldn’t understand why the Hawks made the deal.

“That’s going to make the Pistons awfully tough,” Silas said. “I just don’t know what some people are thinking about.””

The pick acquired in the Rasheed Wallace trade ended up being Josh Smith. That wasn’t a bad trade. Sheed was the missing piece for Detroit, but he wasn’t exactly going to be the missing piece here, on a team that was far away from contention.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 15th, 2011
7:36 pm

Najeh but we helped another team win a championship. How many championships do the Hawks have? I bet you Dumars sent Billy a ring for his cooperation.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 15th, 2011
7:37 pm

In other news MC just replied to someone named “DickStillHard” on Twitter. Pause

superiorblogman

December 15th, 2011
7:43 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

December 15th, 2011
7:37 pm

In other news MC just replied to someone named “DickStillHard” on Twitter. Pause

Deciding rather MC likes boys or not should be more exciting than the Hawks this year minus seeing the potential growth of the Teaguer. What do you think about MC possibly liking boys? LMAO

Najeh Davenpoop

December 15th, 2011
7:45 pm

“Najeh but we helped another team win a championship. How many championships do the Hawks have? ”

I know, but in my opinion you can’t really look at trades that way. Very few real life trades are going to be entirely one-sided in your favor. Most trades are going to end up benefiting the other team in some way, shape or form as well. Even the much-criticized Pau Gasol trade ended up being OK for the Grizzlies, since Marc Gasol has become a good player.

The Hawks got Sheed in exchange for Shareef, who they moved in order to clear salary and rebuild. Sheed ended up being the missing piece for the Pistons, yeah, but are you really confident that the Hawks could build a championship team around him if he had stayed here? The Blazers assembled one of the most talented teams in recent memory, built around Sheed, and they couldn’t even make it to the Finals. Sheed was a good player but he wasn’t a superstar, even at his peak.

I didn’t have a problem with how Billy Knight gutted the roster at all. I did have a problem with Terry Stotts winning meaningless games after that Sheed trade and taking the Hawks out of the running for Dwight Howard, and I did have a problem with him passing up two franchise-caliber point guards for the Aflac mascot.

KevinM

December 15th, 2011
7:52 pm

Najeh, I agree; the trade was not so lopsided since Smith has panned out. BK gift-wrapped their ability to compete against anyone.

My point was we aren’t getting that kind of present from anyone in the league.

I thought there might be some interest in ESPN’s rankings of the Top 500 players…..here is some of the local numbers: (current value as of 10/2011)

25: Al
32: Joe
43: Josh
76: JC1
129: Kirk
165: Marvin
187: JT
218: Zaza
315: VRad
338: Shellhead
351: Damien
353: Joe Smith
359: Stack
383: Collins
415: Etan
474: Rolle
483: Sy
495: Benson

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7116977/nba-player-rankings-1

Melvin

December 15th, 2011
7:58 pm

Get on the phone with the Lakers Sund…LOL

“Kobe Bryant is livid with the Lakers, and he may demand a trade, Stephen A. Smith said Thursday. Appearing on SportsCenter, Smith said “I predicted that Kobe Bryant will demand a trade, and I am not budging from that. He’s livid. I’ve known Kobe too long. He is ticked off. “It’s not just because [the Clippers] got Chris Paul, which is a guy that he expected to have. It’s because Jim Buss seems to be doing the inexplicable,” Smith said. “It makes no sense. It’s one thing for the team not to have improved [after losing to the Mavericks], it’s another thing entirely for them to regress. If you know anything about Kobe, that is the last thing that he wants to do. “It will not be pleasant at all.”

Jeff.Joe.Josh.Leuer.Bogut

December 15th, 2011
8:02 pm

I thought there might be some interest in ESPN’s rankings of the Top 500 players…..here is some of the local numbers: (current value as of 10/2011)

Hollinger had Leuer #14 in draft rankings.

Bogut and Leuer can be had for Horford and perhaps a 2nd rounder or future top 20 protected 1st rounder.

WAY past Time to trade Horford before his value dropsand we face a buyer’s market! Hes not a rim protector or a shot creator. The only way we can even get a respectable volume of shots from him is pick and pops. And even then he cant drive and wings up with Steve Nash level of free throws.

Astro Joe

December 15th, 2011
8:03 pm

I was thinking the other day, name the PGs who have been the top 1-2 scorer on his team, led his team in assists, is considered a “superstar” and was drafted in the 5 years between 2000-2004.

KevinM

December 15th, 2011
8:11 pm

CP3 in a tough spot with his intro PC as a Clipper:

“He’s excited to play next to his big brother, Chauncey”.

“I’m excited to play for Coach, um, Del Negro, who is a great coach”.

Tough spot to be in as he says thanks to New Orleans, but says he is beyond excited to be a Clipper. Has anyone ever thought that?

Rev in Tampa

December 15th, 2011
8:19 pm

Can we watch the Falcons on the computer like we could with the Hawks? Does anybody have a link? HOOK ME UP!

Najeh Davenpoop

December 15th, 2011
8:20 pm

“I was thinking the other day, name the PGs who have been the top 1-2 scorer on his team, led his team in assists, is considered a “superstar” and was drafted in the 5 years between 2000-2004.”

Arenas?

Big Ray

December 15th, 2011
8:22 pm

Good for CP3.

I don’t get the “fire Sund” mantras. Folks, it’s about the ownership, I’m tellin’ ya….

Big Ray

December 15th, 2011
8:31 pm

Niiice run by Rurner to start things off. He looks like a starving man making his way to a buffet.

Big Ray

December 15th, 2011
8:31 pm

oops wrong blog

Michael Cunningham

December 15th, 2011
8:41 pm

new blog is posted. shutting down this thread.

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