Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 4

Joe’s coments translated: i am not a leader. We all have to step up. I am not a leader by example.

HAVE WE OFFICIALLY SIGNED STACKHOUSE OR NOT????

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Can someone tell our brilliant coach that irregardless is not proper English. Thank you

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I’m really curious to see how our captains “step their games up” this season. I don’t expect to see much of an improvement for Joe from his career norms (which are already impressive, with last season being an outlier). As for Josh and Al, I’m really interested in seeing what they’ve improved on during the offseason. I’m not sure whether we’ll be seeing Josh more at the 4 or the 3 this year, but at 225, he may get worn down playing the 4 exclusively against so many bigger players. Also, in terms of Al, I’d like to see what he’s done to improve his post game and driving ability. It’s a big mystery right now. I saw clips of him in the FIBA Americas tournament during the summer and he seemed to have some new moves that I’ve never seen him use before. He was easily the best player on the court in most of those games. But, then again, those games were against competition much inferior to the NBA, so how Al’s improvements fair against elite competition in this league remains to be seen.

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@MC,

As always, good job on the rundown. However, all of these comments sound like the same things we’ve been hearing for the last five years. I really do hope the Hawks are “seriously” looking at trades because it has been proven repeatedly that this core group is not going to go any further than it already has.

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Teague needs to be our vocal leader and floor general supported by a mature, focussed Josh Smith. Joe isn’t that guy. We need that emotional “it” factor that woody & LS have tried to crush in Teague and Josh bc they don’t understand “it”.

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According to ESPN website, the Hawks are paying Radmanovic $6,883,800. Is that accurate?

For that amount they could have resigned Jamal.

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Jay: The cheap owers would not pay their mothers that much. Radmanovic is much, much cheaper.

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MC, I was positive he was an invite. Was just making sure. he really seems to enjoy ATL. I’d sign him over some scrub PG and hope TMac can run backup PG for a minute

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I cannot believe all the hate for Larry Drew. Larry Drew has done a fine job with this team, and offensively we are light-years ahead of the past. Don’t let your hate for ASG being cheap, transfer to Drew. Sure he was a cheap hire, but he’s done a great job and has deserved none of this criticism. As for not starting Teague, there is a reason for that. They were easing him into the game, even though he had not shown anything great and showed zero confidence, when Bibby was the starting PG. When we traded for Hinrich, Drew was FORCED to start him. We made a lucrative deal and Drew had to make our franchise not look stupid. The Teague that showed up during the Playoffs was NOT the Teague that showed up n the regular season. Night and Day difference. Anyone who watched the Hawks’ whole season could tell you that. Teague’s outstanding play in the playoffs has warranted him the start to start the year. If he does well and Drew benches him as soon as Hinrich comes back, then bash him.

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If you look at the first 22 games for the hawks a third of this shortened season what do you see the Hawks record as after 22 games?

Tue 27 @ New Jersey 7:30pm
Wed 28 vs Washington 7:30pm
Fri 30 vs New Jersey 7:30pm
Sat 31 @ Houston 7:00pm
Mon 02 @ Miami 7:30pm
Tue 03 @ Chicago 8:00pm
Thu 05 vs Miami 8:00pm
Fri 06 @ Charlotte 7:00pm
Sat 07 vs Chicago 7:00pm
Mon 09 @ New Jersey 7:30pm
Wed 11 @ Indiana 7:00pm
Thu 12 vs Charlotte 7:30pm
Sat 14 vs Minnesota 7:00pm
Mon 16 vs Toronto 4:00pm
Wed 18 vs Portland 8:00pm
Fri 20 @ Philadelphia 7:00pm
Sat 21 vs Cleveland 7:00pm
Mon 23 @ Milwaukee 8:00pm
Wed 25 @ San Antonio 8:30pm
Fri 27 @ Detroit 7:30pm
Sun 29 @ New Orleans 7:00pm
Tue 31 @ Toronto 7:00pm

I also will say the Hawks matchup decently with the Heat. I wont guarantee they would win the series but I think it would be a tough series. Indiana getting West will be a much improved team as well as NY although lack of a true point guard will be a negative but they will be a bit better defensively overall with Tyson Chandler.. Phili will be good. I see Boston not being as good as well as Chicago not being as good as far as win total goes I think the Hawks will finish max 3 seed in east, at worst 5 seed.

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to risk sounding like the beloved ken strickland ….. the key to this team and how far it goes is if jeff teague can continue his progression we all saw in the playoffs and stay healthy. if marvin comes close to his contract year, then we might have something special that i felt was there a few years past. if only we had a legit 10-15 minute big like dampier off the bench on a good night, then we might make waves. with all that, once kirk comes back then this team is dangerous.

is stack one of the fold now for sure? what took the basg and rick sund two years to make this move? is it too late and he is nothing more than a joe smith?

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dmb yes, the birds got off the hook yesterday. next year, they dont get the gifts the rook qb gave them.

oh dmb, matty is better than mv7 any day and improving and i was an mv7 fan and a matty detractor coming out of bc. get a few lineman signed to protect him next year and we got something. he is better than manning 2 was at this stage of the game and will work to improve, which i might add was mv7’s undoing. sorry guys, mv7, just isnt a pro.

brig, i am amazed at all the folks trying to get into the prediction mode since obviously the deals aint done yet. i have to wait and then come up with my swammy read and i have hit it for years now. aj and big ray will attest as they might be all that is left from the 13 win team debacle that sat here and held the blog together that year and i hit that right on the nose and have followed suit ever since.

c billips to clips? that is better than paul. silly azz stern, as he thinks he can pull strings to make the hornets relevant, he is a fool as he is responsible for the pause that has set the owners back in some cash flow and didnt serve up anything he promised. man it is fun to watch billionaires as luck as they are think they are smarter than the average bear. i really cant stand to look at him and he certainly needs to go and wonder how long it will take for a mutiny of the owners?

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MC, have you had a chance to ask LD, “what did you work on during the off-season?

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Irregardless of LD’s vocabulary;
the sign should be in the offices of the ASG;
“No Excuses” !

LD is a coach who used a common double negatitive.
Myself having used quite freqently the non word ain’t
which in itself is bad grammar,
I am not going to critique the man on his linguistics.
Being a Coach is hard enough, so, I’ll stick to
critiquing his coaching techniques.
Any other foibles should be off limits to any who are
itching to cast the 1st stone.
[including his attire]
If the man coachs well;
I don’t care if he speaks Pidgin English and wears
pajamas to the games.

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Well Said!

Hey doc! Copyright that last pot. Matty Ice is Nice – hands down he has single handedly saved our franchise after we lost MV7. He reads defenses better than the OC by far!

Very high football IQ a true prototype at his position. Just makes smart, good decisions.

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ZZZZZ

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dmb, chernoff is 680 with chuck. bell and archie are 790. which was it?

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dmb, i just love it when we agree. heh heh

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Tue 27 @ New Jersey 7:30pm [WIN]
Wed 28 vs Washington 7:30pm [WIN]
Fri 30 vs New Jersey 7:30pm [WIN]
Sat 31 @ Houston 7:00pm [WIN]
Mon 02 @ Miami 7:30pm [LOSE]
Tue 03 @ Chicago 8:00pm [LOSE]
Thu 05 vs Miami 8:00pm [WIN]
Fri 06 @ Charlotte 7:00pm [WIN]
Sat 07 vs Chicago 7:00pm [WIN]
Mon 09 @ New Jersey 7:30pm [WIN]
Wed 11 @ Indiana 7:00pm [LOSE]
Thu 12 vs Charlotte 7:30pm [WIN]
Sat 14 vs Minnesota 7:00pm [WIN]
Mon 16 vs Toronto 4:00pm [WIN]
Wed 18 vs Portland 8:00pm [LOSE]
Fri 20 @ Philadelphia 7:00pm [LOSE]
Sat 21 vs Cleveland 7:00pm [WIN]
Mon 23 @ Milwaukee 8:00pm [WIN]
Wed 25 @ San Antonio 8:30pm [LOSE]
Fri 27 @ Detroit 7:30pm [WIN]
Sun 29 @ New Orleans 7:00pm [WIN]
Tue 31 @ Toronto 7:00pm [WIN]

16-6 IMO

I didn’t take into consideration if a specific game was back to back or back to back to back because I’m sure all the other teams will be in the same boat as the Hawks.

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The Truth has already been spoken about the asg, management and this team. What else is there to say? The owners will get out of this team what they put in. It is just that simple.

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dmb, are saying we all sound alike? heh heh

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“If you look at the first 22 games for the hawks a third of this shortened season what do you see the Hawks record as after 22 games?”

I think 13-9 is fair.

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DMB, you go back-2-back on the entertainment news…good stuff. And I heard Khloe is all-in with Lamar headed to the Big D! Cuban meets the Kardashians…..I guess Jenner can now be front and center at the AAA!

And I’m with ya! No RED for me! Let Gearon and his cronies sit in there by themselves while they feed this roster to the city of Atlanta.

We have good pieces, and yes, pieces good enough to get to the playoffs.
And yes, to possibly get to the 2nd round. Right now, the difference between the optimism of last year and this year is one guy:

Jeff Teague – he will have to be the lil engine that could. He doesn’t have a backup and shouldn’t worry about competition. Sund hasn’t stepped up and addressed this role off the bench. You need a game changer off the bench who directs this team.

Well? Your move now Sund………retain that slot over Orlando before they are able to strengthen themselves.

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since matty in league, mv7 0 and matty 0, says it all najeh. mv7 should be adding to his legacy and he hasnt. i liked mv7 and was enamored with his special gifts, sad to say he was too thick in the head to get much better. now how many wins does he have as a starting qb in the league since matty appeared on the scene as a rookie? god gifts are only as good as the person that uses them and grows within. sorry, as smart and cnadid as you are your man love overwhelms you on this one. also read a recent remark on another blog so i was expecting your response after i made mine and read yours, very predictable. let us look at the full body of work with an objective eye najeh, and i prefaced it by saying i liked mv7 and didnt matty.

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najeh, if nothing else i think you get more for the money spent on matty than mv7. come on, two 100 k contracts for a lifetime 80% efficiency as a qb. someone was smoking in philly or choking one or the other. yes he is special for not delivering or living up to expectations.

in the mean time, so many qb’s stand head and shoulders ahead of him only for his lack of dedication. he just isnt worth the hype or the adulation and i wanted him to be. 13 weeks for a high anle sprain and qb’s in the league now are coming back in one season to have two such injuries like sam bradford this year and we will see how long pittsburg is without one.

he also won us the award of two sorry coaches as his behavior gave blank an excuse to fire dan and we got mora who you despise and even worse petrino. thank you mv7 for all true falcon fans. has he killed another coach in andy reid who believed in him? that would make four. coach killer par excellance.

getting back to basketball, what i hate is any reference to mv7 and josh smith. that truly disgusts me.

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“sad to say he was too thick in the head to get much better. ”

As we see so often with the Hawks, coaching matters. Vick had a joke of a coaching staff during his formative years as a quarterback. Ryan doesn’t. When Vick landed in Philly, with a coaching staff that knew what they were doing, he suddenly did “get much better”. He had an incredible season last year and did things on a weekly basis that Ryan can only dream of doing.

Looking at the full body of work, I see one guy who has had a good supporting cast and coaching staff from day one, and one guy whose career was sidetracked by a poor supporting cast and coaching staff before Andy Reid did what Dan Reeves and Jim Moron should have done ten years ago. It’s not meaningful to compare their careers without taking this into account.

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DOC-you old fart, what’s wrong with sounding like me, HA, HA?

Some of you are so focused on who and/or what you think we need to improve, you can’t seem to see how we can improve with what we already have. Even with the amount of time our core has been in the league and played together, there’s still plenty of room for individual improvement among them.

I think the elimination of Orlando last yr in the 1st rd of the playoffs, and the way we battled Chicago in the semifinals, with our injuries and new PG, I think each of our returning players gained a new confidence, determination, and committment. I believe that’s been adequately demonstrated by the way they all worked so hard during the off season to get in what might be the best shape of their career.

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“13 weeks for a high anle sprain”

I don’t know if you are referring to his 2003 injury, but that was a broken fibula, not a high ankle sprain.

“he also won us the award of two sorry coaches as his behavior gave blank an excuse to fire dan and we got mora who you despise and even worse petrino. thank you mv7 for all true falcon fans. has he killed another coach in andy reid who believed in him? that would make four. coach killer par excellance.”

The Reeves firing was misguided (the smart thing to do would have been to strip him of personnel duties), but I don’t see where you connect anything Vick did to that firing. It was pretty well accepted at the time that Reeves predated Blank, who wanted to replace him with someone of his own choosing.

As for Moron, he has proven emphatically since being fired by the Falcons that he does not belong on an NFL sideline.

As for Reid — knowing what we know now about Kevin Kolb, it’s quite likely that Vick saved Reid’s job last year when he replaced him in Week 2. Philly fans have been calling for Reid’s head for years. If anything is going to kill his job this year, it is the rookie defensive coordinator he inexplicably promoted to that position despite a total lack of experience, not the quarterback who has their offense ranked 4th in the league.

The one coach you can blame Vick for is Petrino, who came to Atlanta for the sole purpose of coaching Vick and bolted when he found that he wouldn’t get the opportunity.

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Anyway, back to the Hawks, 13-9 may actually be a little on the optimistic side. That early schedule is brutal. I don’t see them making it through that stretch at any better than 4-6.

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najeh, a fibula is a stable fracture by definition unless it is a compund and that usually is accompanied by a tibula as well in the theisman injury, real ugly. that fracture alone only takes at the most 6 weeks to heal. the other problem that kept him out was the sprain that he said “kept him from being me” so he laid back and watched his coach and team go down. dan reeves did not get a chance and did more with the rookie mv7 than anyone. as i said the unbelievable slow recovery for a 23 yr old on that injury, gave blank an excuse to get rid of him. that is worse than geriatric speed bone healing with no vit d in the system, najeh. you were the only one not scratching their head on what was taking him so long to get better.

you are as much an enabler as was blank and moron who was the worst enabler of them all. at some point as ld says the excuses have to stop. this year mv7 has come back to his usual numbers of 80% efficiency. last year was an anomaly. man love at its best.

reid seems to have made another qb that has sunk very fast once let go, eh? but go ahead and say it is about someone else as he has done all his life.

ken you know, nothing but respect.

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Mamma said knock you out!

“I cannot believe all the hate for Larry Drew.” -RealFan-
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Not hate Sir – disdain! That fool didn’t play Teague. A real fan would already know this. Next. Ha Ha!

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“as i said the unbelievable slow recovery for a 23 yr old on that injury, gave blank an excuse to get rid of him. that is worse than geriatric speed bone healing with no vit d in the system, najeh. you were the only one not scratching their head on what was taking him so long to get better.”

I will defer to your medical knowledge, of course, and as a fantasy owner of Vick in three separate leagues I get as frustrated as anyone with his slow healing, but if you are trying to imply that he intentionally sat out games so that Reeves would get fired, you’re going to need better evidence than that.

” last year was an anomaly.”

30 TDs in 12 games, 8.1 yards per attempt. That is one hell of an anomaly. I challenge you to show me one other QB in history who had one anomalous season like that without putting up similar numbers in subsequent seasons.

Nah, last year is just what Vick can do with a competent coaching staff and a healthy O-line all season. A lot of things have gone wrong this year, including DeSean Jackson alligator arming to try to save himself for his next contract and several early season O-line injuries, not to mention Vick’s own frustrating injuries that have caused him to miss parts of six different games, but through all that they are still the league’s #4 offense. Vick’s dip in passing efficiency is mainly because of the way QB rating is calculated. The TDs he was racking up through the air last year are being scored by McCoy on the ground this year. Passing TDs have a huge impact on QB rating. Vick’s passing TDs are down, and McCoy is correspondingly on pace to break the Eagles’ single season TD record.

“you are as much an enabler as was blank”

Don’t I have to know him in order to enable him?

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Did D-12 wanting to stay in Orlando kill Areana’s desire to partner with him, because the Magic clearly don’t want him, does this open him up to us, or point him towards the Heat?

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Lost Time!

MV7 cost himself two years and can only blame himself. Green eggs and ham is not proper nutrition for anyone, much less a world class athlete.

Being the last to arrive and first to leave the building is a character issue and true reflection of work ethic. Mike did that to his teammates, his coaches, Arthur Blank and himself. There is no one else to blame.

Mike didn’t go to jail two years for dog fighting, like Martha Stewart and many others, Mike went to jail for lying to a federal investigator.

But hey, all is forgiven. The Falcons were forced to move on and are much better for it. Mike is a really good person who just lost his way. I am proud of him for turning things around and recovering his wealth. Philly just added too many pieces at once that hasn’t had time to gel, or that just didn’t fit their team dynamics.

Just my take on the hot topic.

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i never said mv7 intentionally sat out najeh, only his behavior led to giving blank that option as the team sank without him.

emir he just might have to with the basg running this team and sund saying he is pleased with his bigs. mv7 is a wonderful athlete along the lines of deion and he is very versatile so he is a fit. of course, i dont think he will accept the vet minimum.

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Damn, I just realized I made the same joke as doc. I gotta read the previous posts next time.

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“It has been proven repeatedly that this core group is not going to go any further than it already has.” – Jody

Proof will happen on the floor… unless you wanna let us gaze into your crystal ball?

“Larry Drew has done a fine job with this team…” – RealFan

Yep… benching an All-NBA center for an entire half of a playoff loss was a fine decision.

“What do you see the Hawks record as after 22 games?” – brigadierjerry

16-6… wait DOH EmirS. beat me to it!

“If the man coaches well, I don’t care if he speaks Pidgin English and wears pajamas to the games.” – G-Dad

Eloquently spoken as always! Of course PJ’s would be an upgrade for some of those suits lol! I’ve sait it before I expect Leisure Suit Larry to step up his game this year. Once again the injury to Hinrich is really helping this franchise because Teague has nobody looking over his shoulder… he just has to go out and play… can’t wait to get this party started. I think we will make it to the ECF this year.

“I cant see y u guys hate this roster so much when this is our best roster since the nique days.” – jamillion

CO-SIGN!!! This is a much better squad than the Mookie/Smitty/Mutombo teams and I LOVED THOSE TEAMS.

“I think each of our returning players gained a new confidence, determination, and committment. I believe that’s been adequately demonstrated by the way they all worked so hard during the off season to get in what might be the best shape of their career.” – Ken Strickland

That’s what I’m seeing as well Ken… couldn’t be more excited about the upcoming season… I think the Hawks are going to turn the corner. They might not make it as far as I’m hoping, but I don’t see them laying down and getting blown out by scrub teams like WAS.

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laughing WITH najeh.

btw a high ankle sprain involves the ligaments that hold the tibia and fibula together and how you can have both. so every time you move quickly it hurts and limits mobility as the fibula and tibia separate to continue to micro-tear the tissue. i believe it can be stabilized a bit with wrapping. yes, it hurt mv7’s game but josh smith still tried to soar on one leg the season he suffered one and was out 2 weeks for an example of a guy much maligned who plays hurt; just as he did last year with a knee injury as both of them didnt allow him to be who he was. mv7 showed his first glimpse of immaturity with that injury najeh and it came home to roost. remember how he and blank shared a heart rendering tear over the injury?

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And, the wheel chair stroll dow lover’s lane.

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LOL @ Tony Allen trying to show OJ Mayo the way out of town:

http://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO

“Cool cat Tony Allen of Griz tweets OJ Mayo to IND for Brandon Rush & Josh McRoberts, then takes it back. Clearly, has future as sportswriter.”

Wants that dude gone so bad.

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The Grizz will pay their Big 3 10M more a yr than we will pay ours. Scary team.

And ppl act like we pay our guys an astronomical figure

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MC,

Whats the deal with the trade exception(s) we currently have? Would they prevent us from going into LT?

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I believe to really solidify the hawks roster we should really take a look into a back up role for Gilbert Arenas or Baron Davis, And for more depth with are bigs, Samuel Dalembart or Ryan Hollins..agreeable?

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Dlew… Dalembert out of our price range… Please keep Baron Davis and Gilbert Arenas as far away from this roster as possible. #lockerroompoison

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Buddy Grizzard, Kwame is awful just another lazy big body. Jordan is more versatile and exciting don’t you think?..and the hawks are always the good guys and try to conduct a certain image, I think a hard nose guy like Baron Davis on a high chemistry team that has played together for awhile would be good basketball..

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MC, you have been murdering the Hawks coverage so far this season! Lots of good and cool points.

One thing though….you’ve been spelling Vladimir Radmanovic as Vladimir Radmanovich in the past couple blog posts. It’s all good though. Keep up the coverage. Excited for this season!

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Lang Greene: According to a Hawks team official Pape Sy, Marvin Williams and Jeff Teague have been the early standouts during training camp about 3 hours ago

http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html

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Gotta be satisfied that Billups was claimed by someone in the West coast and not cleared waivers and signed with MIA…

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NOTE:

Vlad Rad made 6.88 million LAST YEAR. He was an unrestricted free agent this summer. The Hawks definitely signed him for the vet minimum, seeing that any amount more would put them into the Luxury Tax.

Never rely on ESPN for anything other than a box score. Always check multiple sources.

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Hawks Schedule in first 22 games

- 13 road games
- a 5 game in 6 night stretch in the 2nd week of the season
- only 2 marquee home games
- a 6 out of 8 game and 6 out of 7 game road stretches

I’ll say the Hawks go 1 – 3 vs Miami and Chicago ( hopefully the win comes vs Miami @ home on TNT ) . . . and go 13 – 5 vs everybody else.

If we win 3 games vs Miami and Chicago, you’d think that would give this team extreme confidence to take care of business vs the lower teams. But I can see the Hawks dropping one or two of those home games vs the lower teams, seeing that the energy at Philips Arena will be low for those games.

Prediction

LOW – Hawks have chemistry issues with new bench, leading to a few losses ( 11 – 11 )

MIDDLE – Hawks take care of business, pull off a few upsets, and lose to a few lesser teams ( 14 – 8 )

HIGH – Hawks play like world beaters, go undefeated at home, and only drop a few road games ( 17 – 5 )

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From MC:

The stat geek inside of me immediately opened his smart mouth: “But better to take 3s when you have a 49.7 effective field-goal percentage, and make long 2s at a 39-percent clip.” Sometimes that stat geek is no fun.

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LOL . . don’t get me started on how the eFG% lies to people, especially when that eFG% is relatively low. I’ve had many arguments over this, and have been called crazy and ignorant because of my belief.

Josh Smith having a 49.7 eFG% from three is NOT GOOD. A 50% eFG from three point range = 33% actual three point shooting. That’s not good shooting. I’d much rather see Smith take the shot he’ll make 2 out of every 5 times, than the shot he’ll make 2 out of every 6 times.

Joe Johnson had a 44.6% eFG% from three during the regular season last year. That equals an actual 3 point percentage of 29.7%. So would you suggest that JJ rather take a three last year, than a long two, in which he shot 39% from . . just because he has a higher eFG% from three?

Not me. JJ as so schizophrenic from three last year, that I was wishing that he’d abandon the shot altogether at times. He was hot and cold from that range all year, until the playoffs, in which he did shoot a little more consistent from deep.

If you agree with the eFG ( which really only pertains to three point shooting ) . . that’s cool. I know that i’m in the minority with my opinion.

All i know is that it comes a certain point in which the eFG creates a perception that shooters are better than what they really are. On a possession by possession basis, I’d much rather see a player take a shot he has a better chance of making, than simply going by what the eFG of that shot is if he makes it.

A 33% three point shooter is more than likely streaky as hell. In a typical 12 shot span, a 33% three point shooter is likely to make two in a row . . . miss about 8 or 9 in a row, then hit one or two more shots, to get to that 33% mark.

A shooter like that is a potential game killer, because he’ll shoot you right out of the game, before he’ll hit a few.

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Josh and Al are about the same height yet Al has outrebounded him every year he was drafted. Can’t question his toughness, if anything, Josh needs to get in the paint to help out on the glass. Hawks were ranked 28th in rebounding last season. TWENTY EIGHTH. Also, in that Chicago series, Al was guarded by Noah and Asik – two legit defenders, while Josh was guarded by Carlos Boozer – arguably the worst defensive PF in the league. Who do you expect to have a better series? Duh.

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Drew’s new sign “No Excuses” is hanging in the wrong room. Would it not do more good in the ASG conference room?

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“A 33% three point shooter is more than likely streaky as hell. In a typical 12 shot span, a 33% three point shooter is likely to make two in a row . . . miss about 8 or 9 in a row, then hit one or two more shots, to get to that 33% mark.

A shooter like that is a potential game killer, because he’ll shoot you right out of the game, before he’ll hit a few.”

Can you spell J-A-M-A-L?

That concept works as well even for guys whose shooting average is a tad higher.

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LOL @ Vava . . . no arguments here man about jamal. i’ve long cursed at jamal for jacking up threes, when he shot a whopping 45% on long 2s.

JUst to put that in perspective, that would rank Jamal FIFTH amongst SGs that played at least 25 minutes a game. Jason Terry led the league amongst SGs at 47%.

Jamal was an ELITE shooter from 16 – 23 feet . . . but took just as many threes ( where he had an eFG% of 51.2% . . . or 34% actual 3 point shooting ) than long 2’s.

It’s a reason why players in the 80s shot much better from the perimeter, than these guys today. Even deadly shooters like Larry Bird only took about 2 or 3 threes a game. But he lived on the low block and would kill people from mid-range.

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JJ looks ready to play. Actually everyone seems ready to win this year. It’s too bad the owners and management are in such disarray.

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northcyde,

Yeah, Jamal’s best asset are his long 2’s off a short dribble to get the defender on his eels – different in style but similarly effective as Cassell’s with his drive left and pull.

Unfortunately, Jamal – like so many players like for instance Smoove – is so much in love with himself that he does not bother to improve his decision making based on FACTS instead of adrenaline rushes.

How many good looks from 3 point land didn’t he miss last season trying to coax the defenders and the refs into 4-point plays instead of simply shooting the rock?

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How much emphasis is being placed on defense in training camp?

That’s the difference between being good and great. Miami, Boston, and Chicago all play great defense.

If the Hawks play top 10 defense I can see them as the 2nd seed in the East.

Also, Drew the line up with Marvin as the starting SF is not working. Please give Zaza a shot (JJ,Josh,Teague, Al, & Zaza) should be your starters. I bet they don’t get out rebounded like last year.

Hinrich, Marvin, T-Mac, & Collins gives you a very deep rotation.

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“Lang Greene: According to a Hawks team official Pape Sy, Marvin Williams and Jeff Teague have been the early standouts during training camp about 3 hours ago

http://hoopshype.com/twitter/media.html”

THIS IS THE MOST ENCOURAGING NEWS THIS ENTIRE PRESEASON!

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Hi poor pocket presence and inconsistent- inaccurate/average velocity arm will fail against the elites..

The Superior defenses will jump the routes on his poorly thrown balls and take it to the house..

Fal-cons are 2-6 last 8 games against teams with a winning record! That is a major tell-tell sign for a team that was predicted by some to go to the SB this year! Are you kidding????

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His^

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The Hawks are going to surprise some a lot of people….Stay tuned

1st 22 games: 15-7

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STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, KAMAN

BENCH PAPE, STACK, TMAC, MARVIN, COLLINS

RESERVE BENSON, VLADMIR

STREET CLOTHES WANNAMAKER, MAGNUM

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

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But a deal for Kaman would also assure us of going into Luxury Tax territory, so, don’t waste your typing.

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Hawks are stuck without paying the tax.

Outside of a trade, current possibilities only include signing an undrafted free agent (like Wannamaker), or cutting one of our non-guaranteed contracts (Rolle???), and signing a veteran minimum contract.

If you talk trades, you have to consider that the Hawks have $61M committed to six players next year (Teague, Johnson, Williams, Smith, Horford, and Pachulia). We wil have $9M to sign a minimum of six players plus our first round pick. So trading Hinrich for a player with a contract beyond this year is not likely to happen.

We’ll have the amnesty right in our back pocket, but I don’t see this ownership writing a big check just so Joe or Marvin can go play for another team.

Bottom line, either Joe or Marvin must be traded within the next year for some salary relief, and likely little else.

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43 wins. I don’t know how it will happen, but they will win 43 games in this short season (assuming reasonable health and an adequate replacement for Hinrich). Good to read that Pape Sy is performing well, I still don’t like the idea of him being the back-up PG for even a handful of games, I’d prefer if he could be the designated wing defender for 8-10 minutes/game. If Stack joins the team, then conceivably TMac can be more of a point forward with Stack, Vlad and Zaza as the primary recipients of his passes. But if Teague twists an ankle, we’re screwed. An adequate replacement for Hinrich, where’s Tyronn Lue (just kidding).

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Well, we should dominate everyone in the East with maybe Boston being the exception if it was based on familiarity with each other, but Miami will be much more comfortable this year as well.

CHI is guard tough, and rebounding tough. They have guys who attack the glass. Asik and Gibson are probably the best reserve combo in the league, kind of like when Perkins and Powe were doing it for Boston.

Our offensive efficiency has to improve this year….29th last year, Points-in-the-Paint….I bet Jeff himself can improve on those numbers.
For the inside players that we have, and if Marvin would consistently go down inside the lane, we should be able to get those numbers improved.
What it looks like we’ll have is one guy down low, Horford/Collins/Zaza, and we have to get those guys willing to take the shots. They have good size and in a 1/2 court, they are critical to getting a good shot, or getting an additional shot. I like Zaza over Collins offensively, so any Collins buckets are bonus buckets. But he should at least pose a threat to avoid double teams or defenders cheating to help out.

I would hope we are a lesser jump shooting team this year; those percentages just don’t jump out at you as being elite. I think T-Mac will help in that area, with Marvin still being the unknown as to what you’ll get out of him. Shouldn’t we be able to get 20/10 out of our SF slot this year?

I have always wished for Josh to return to the paint on offense. It probably won’t be a common theme again this year.

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Falcons

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FANTASY BASKETBALL THIS YEAR ANYONE?

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Watching the video of Hawks’ camp and Celini interviewing Marvin, and he is stating that he wants JC1 to return.
Now unless T-Mac is the points coming off the bench, we have a huge hole. I don’t like the JC1 defensive scheme either, but he made a lot of fans here happy.

I wonder why we don’t work harder in improving the starting lineup as opposed to the bench?

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Guys, Larry Drew just has to coach a basketball team, not be a professor. I get annoyed with people who broadcast for a living saying irregardless. I do not care if a basketball coach does. It’s not like he’s working with a bunch of Rhodes Scholars anyway.

By the way, remember Brandon Adams from 790 the Zone? He used to say “irregardless” all the time. That drove me nuts.

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If Sy (believable), Marvin (miracle), and Teague (very believable) are truly the camp standouts so far, we may be in for a very good year.

Ainge is rebuilding Boston nicely for the cash he has to work with. Bass, Green, Wilcox not terrible on the frontline. And of course Rondo at the Point is pretty good also.

That Indy Frontcourt of Hirbbert, West, and Granger looks pretty good also…They may be a team to be reckoned with this season, at least on a certain level.

And Philly looks tough also.

But this may be the season of revolution in the NBA. Except for Kobe, the Clippers have passed the Lakers in every conceivable fashion talent wise. I would not be surprised if the Clippers finished with a better record than the Lakers. And beat them in their opener also.

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Section 303, I guess. I certainly wouldn’t fire a basketball coach for using non-words. At the same time, it could speak to a person’s ability to learn or be re-directed when an error is identified.

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http://hawksbasketblog.com/2011/12/12/what-is-the-current-value-of-a-vet/

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My final CP3 proposal since he has not been moved yet….

We give up:

Marvin/Teague/Zaza/#1 draft pick

That’s more than fair at this stage if NO and the NBA really want to move CP3 before the start of the season. We lose some depth, but we improve our starting rotation. Our offense improves as well.

As much I would hate to lose Teague, CP3 might justify this shot to get to the ECF this year.

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Kevin….. there is no way the nba would take that trade they were offered gasol and odom draft picks and the staples center, no disrespect to marvin, teague zaza and draft picks, but it would never go through… and yes you can trade trade exemptions

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The Lakers have Kobe, Bynum, Gasol and who else again??

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According to a report I heard last night from David Aldridge, the League wants the Hornets to get as many rookie contracts (from really good rookies) and draft picks as possible. Considering the Hornets are up for sale, think of it as how you would want to make a house more sellable. Most owners would prefer a team with a fair amount of growing and inexpensive talent that they can either sign to a long-term deal when their contract is up of use as trade assets. Same thing with draft picks. If that is the case, the Hawks don’t have those types of assets, certainly not like the Clippers.

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Astro Joe,

No league this year?

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Steve, im betting bynum does his suspension with another team and the starting lineup for the laker looks something like this by christmas

PG. Gilbert Arenas
SG KOOOOOOBEEEEE
SF Hedo/ or Matt
PF hell IDK maybe you doesnt really matter
C Dwight

and with a huge amount of cap room left they can fill out just find for the bench.. who the hell wouldnt take a pay cut to play with dwight and kobe???

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1) “Newness” is for media day. “Reality” is for gameday.

2) Joe being a more vocal leader – ummmm, no. He’s vocal in post game interviews. That’s about it.

3) “You’ll see less of that from me” – Josh Smith on shooting 3s. We saw that last year. It was even uglier just inside the 3 point line.

4) Now that Crawford is all but gone, we get to watch Marvin Williams blossom into the uber-star that many here have said he could become if only Crawford wasn’t stealing his minutes. Right?

5) Why haven’t we signed Stackhouse yet? We should have done it 2 years ago…

6) Larry Drew writes “no excuses” on a big board. Gosh golly, NOW I feel inspired.

7) Three Captains only works in Pirates of the Caribbean.

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vava, you got jokes.

Hawks_4_life, Samuel moderated the fantasy league the past few years. I’ll see if I still have his personal email and will see if he plans to host it again this year.

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KevinM,

Hawks have to improve rebounding (28th in the league last year).

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“Since Buddy G thinks that Zaza is the best backup C in the league, why don’t we start him?” – SteveW

Haha we don’t start him because he stood up to Las Vegas Larry… and Vegas has so little credibility as an NBA coach that he can’t have anybody discrediting him. Any other coach would start Zaza. Vegas will start Collins.

PS Kwame for 7 mil one season deal… wasn’t the bargain I was hoping for. Would have been last year if we wrapped him up for a multi year contract just over the veterans’s minimum.. coulda.. shoulda..

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vava, I agree. JC1 should take the best offer on the table out there.

Portland needs a shooter.
Minny needs a shooter. Berea might have closed that option.
Charlotte….would not surprise me there either.
He probably starts at NJ.

Sund ends up with zero compensation.

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So yeah Blog Troll… Kwame for $7m… Thabeet headed for amnesty… wish I knew as much about basketball as you.

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I don’t think the Hornets will find a better deal (for the long term) than what the Clippers will offer, especially when you take into account that CP3 will only commit to staying 2 years with a handful of places (LA, Knicks included).

I would take Eric Gordon, Kaman’s expiring contract, Bledsoe and Minny’s unprotected 1st round pick. The Clippers can keep Aminu.

N.O. gets a starting SG in Gordon, a backup PG in Bledsoe, a starting center (although he would back Okafor up) who could also be traded since he has a $12 mil expiring contract, and probably a top 10 pick in a deep draft. What more does Stern expect?

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I think we will miss Hinrich A LOT and will struggle a bit until he comes back.

His hard nosed game and versatility at the PG/SG slots will be very important once he returns.

We will probably hoover around 55% wins until he returns but I think we can then make a good final push.

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Hey Astro I was waiting for the fantasy league too. Maybe you should create a league so we can start it up. I’m in 2 leagues already but I need another team.

FIRE SUND

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OB,

The point I was making is center aren’t cheap, not even the bad ones.(Kwame)…I understand why they paid Jordan(Young with upside)…I don’t understand why they paid Kwame that much.

I know ppl want a starting caliber center but they are seldom traded and you have to be willing to give up alot to get one…..Look at what Houston was willing to trade for Gasol and the Magic want Gasol and Bynum for D12.

I just think we need to focus on trying to get our coaches and players to do a better job.

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Marc Stein says that the Pacers have offered Jamal 2 years $10 million, while the T-Wolves, Knicks, and other teams are still in the running.

This is the first example I have seen of the new CBA actually limiting someone’s salary. I kinda feel bad for Jamal, to be honest, if he has to settle for that while Thaddeus Young and DeAndre Jordan are getting paid eight figures per year. Jamal has his fair share of flaws but so do those other players.

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Najeh,

I feel sorry for Jamal b/c his choices are limited being that ATL has his bird rights and refuse (or unable) to re-sign him to his market value.

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Najeh,

2x 5 million is Jamal’s worth.

DeAndre is:

a) A center
b) A good defensive player
c) Extremely young with upside

T. Young:

a) is young;
b) had a very good season last year, showing a lot of promise;
c) has a decent overall game

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too funny guys, getting all excited about what tmac is saying? i have never heard a player come in saying how old he is or how bad his back or knees are such that one wrong move or too much play time will have him on the ir list. i mean what did you expect him to say?

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“4) Now that Crawford is all but gone, we get to watch Marvin Williams blossom into the uber-star that many here have said he could become if only Crawford wasn’t stealing his minutes. Right?”

LOL

“I think we will miss Hinrich A LOT and will struggle a bit until he comes back.

His hard nosed game and versatility at the PG/SG slots will be very important once he returns.”

Vava, I would not depend on Hinrich to play at all this year. He is a walking injury. He’s decent when he plays, but he stays injured.

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Come on Rod, anything goes to bash Hinrich.

Yes, he is injury prone because he goes all out and plays his tail off but he averages 70 games per season.

IF he stays healthy, he will invaluable. Look at his stats: his numbers are better ACROSS THE BOARD in the playoffs.

Look at his numbers against ORL:

10-11 ATL G6 GS6 mpg28.8 fg%0.500 3pt%0.421 FT1.000 rpg2.3 apg2.7 stl1.2 blk0.3 to0.67 fl3.50 ppg10.2

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Jamal at 2 years, $10 mil is fair value (imo). But not only does the Hawks not have the money, I also don’t trust LD to know how to use Jamal effectively.

And with Hinrich always a threat to be banged up, I hope the Hawks sign a vet PG to backup Teague (rather than depend on Sy as the backup PG).

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Jamal should take the vet’s minimum and go join the Lakers. They lost their two best bench scorers (Lamar & Shannon) and he will surely get enough TV time to flash his highlight-worthy game. Of course, Kobe might try to kill him in the bowels of Staples Arena after going 2-11 after a Wednesday night game, but with opportunity comes risk.

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” That pretty much tells a person what he and so many other star players think about the ATL.”

No, it says what he and so many other star players think about the Hawks organization.

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“Atlanta has some of the finest women” -northcyde

Amen.

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The motivation behind Howard’s list is purely money. New Jersey is an arm pit place to live but they have a wealthy owner.

The “stars” of the NBA bore me. I wonder where Dwight is taking his “talentZZZZ”

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Josh simply should not need to ‘handled’ at this point. Doesn’t he consider himself a ‘professional’? Now, someone tell me who else you think LD has to take into the office and ‘have it out’ with?

Sometimes, I want to think these guys get it, and then they start talking. Sheesh….yes, I know there is going to be a language barrier and attitude barrier between old school and today’s players…but can’t we get some quotes talking about I’m not helping the team enough or I need to work harder on my game/weaknesses. It always seems to be a mental battle with these guys.

I know Smoove is still considered young, but he’s considered a captain and a 7 year vet! Come on man!

As for Hindrich, he will have to produce fast to help us out this year. His injury may not heal quick enough to get back to 100%.

JC1-someone said take the min and go to LAL? HAIL NO!

I’m not cutting my salary 90% for any team! Once you accept the vet min, you never raise your value. Truth be, Sund should be trying to convince our dedicated restaurant ‘owners’ to go into the luxury tax and keep JC1 coming off the bench.

Breaking news: I see on nba.com that JC1 has his 5M offer for 2 years from the Pacers. I’m asking Portland or Dallas to get a bit more. He would look good on that Mav team like JT. Then they would be very deep.
JC1 would be a stud in Dallas.

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OB, I’m asking a contender if they have interest in a similar deal for JC1…..

And anyone going to Portland is rolling the dice health-wise…..they are dropping like flies out there!

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“The Clippers are selling the NBA on the idea that the market for Paul has shrunk and the league’s demands have to be lowered, too”.

Come on Sund, throw an offer at them!

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stern, is going to find out he sucks as a gm and even he can do bad deals with a stacked deck no less.

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Dallas will be dumping Fernandez and probably not have room for Brewer any longer either. The appear to be locked in.

That is quite a bench they have there. They may make another run at it if they get any defense/health out of Haywood.

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OB, as a former player, my guess is that Woody called players from a few generations “Rook” and probably most couldn’t care less. If that is the worse thing you are called in life, then life is very, very good. I recall going to Forsythe County a few decades ago with Hosea Williams and I would have celebrated if some of those folk standing in their yards simply called me “Rook”.

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Wow just found out Lakers signed Malcolm Thomas. Did not know he had an opt out.

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In that picture of Al horford on the lead for this story, is he being interview about what teams hed like to be traded too or is he apologizing and saying hes going to embrace the center position?

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http://blogs.ajc.com/jeff-schultz-blog/2011/12/13/can-this-really-be-a-new-josh-smith-for-hawks/

Love for this to really be the “new” Josh. He is the one guy who can really transform this team into something else if he plays to his potential and plays smarter. Sure, guys like Jeff Teague can step up. But nobody can have the impact on both ends that Josh can have.

Well, we shall see. If it’s same ol’, same ol’, or ….not.

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Josh Smith showed up to training camp a different guy. He weighs 225, the lightest he has been since turning pro in 2004. After only a few days of drills, coach Larry Drew said, “He’s getting off his feet a lot quicker, getting to the rim and exploding, even more than he has in the past.”

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Josh Smith showed up to training camp a different guy. He weighs 225, the lightest he has been since turning pro in 2004. After only a few days of drills, coach Larry Drew said, “He’s getting off his feet a lot quicker, getting to the rim and exploding, even more than he has in the past.” – at least somebody improved his game!

U.C. If Al is being traded I think he has the right to choose who he will be traded to. Im sure its in his contract.

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Has Al said what teams he would consider?

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Red Robin

December 13th, 2011
4:58 pm

Its amazing that will all the bullCh!t about Smith and his shooting he shot 49.7 from the trey spot.

I sure hope he continues

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Smith has an eFG ( effective field goal percentage ) of 49.7% from 3 point range.

That REALLY means that he shot 33.1% from three ( 51 – 154 ).

That’s easily a CAREER HIGH for Smith, by the way.

For his career, Josh Smith has attempted 632 threes, and made them at a 28.2% clip.

IN the 2009 – 10 season, Smith only attempted 7 threes, and missed all of them . . . but shot a CAREER HIGH from the field ( 50.5% ).

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If I remember correctly, Josh hit a good percentage of his 3s early in the ‘10-11 season and then he lost his touch (but kept shooting). His overall average may have been good but I seem to recall that his last few months were back to his previous <33% standard.

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FIRE SUND

AMNESTY ASG

RESIGN KONCAK

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Josh Smith needs to be “inside”. Trade Horford for a stretch 4 and a center.
Al Horford needs to be “inside”. Trade Smith for Marvins replacement and a center.

Smith is more dynamic than Horford and Horfords value comes from rebounding and passing to shooters.

Joe Johnson got doubled plenty of times in the playoffs but then he had to pass to Jason Collins, Josh Smith, or Al Horford.

Horford at this point is stuck at center and wed be well served trading him for a center with size and toughness. + stretch four to be that shooter or post up option for Joe Johnson.

A Team) 7′0 BOGUT. 7′0 LEUER. 6′8 Smith
OR
B Team) 6′10 HORFORD. 6′10 Space Cadet Radmanovic. 6′8 Smith

Trade Horford for any 7 foot center better than Jason Collins and a stretch 4 please!

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Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut is there enough interest in Al to make a good trade for a legit center?

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Jamal turned down the Pacers offer. I wonder what kind of contract he is looking for.

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I dont think that would be a good trade… Al for Thabeet. but I would love to see Al an say, Marvin + 1st rounder.

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7′0 BOGUT. 7′0 LEUER. 6′8 Smith

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Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut ,

I will seriously consider wiring $50 to your PayPal if you change your hideous username here

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ASG SUCKS

YOU GUYS SCARE AWAY ALL POTENTIAL SUPERSTARS

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Hinrich was cleared to shoot today. Don’t know if that is good or bad considering he is the 2nd highest payed guard on the team and with the cheap thinking of the Hawks they may start him just for that reason when he is no more than I backup that can’t be counted on and really adds nothing to the team offensively and is not the stud some pretend defensively.

On the other hand, maybe he comes back soon and it is obvious he is not what we need and Sund makes the trade. Kirk, Zaza,and a 2nd for Kaman.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cwfed8z

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Grandad – Im just republishing what the other bloggers are saying that I agree with. Sorry if that bothers you.

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Teague will be an Allstar this year or next . He is that good.. Once he gets that mid jumper down pact!

And his super quick hands and feet the pt. of attack fits…Kind of like what the GREAT MOOKIE BLAYLOCKE used to do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Teague= FLASH T

Glad to hear Marvin is Standing straight up almost touching 6′9.5′(shoes)!
He will hit the knock down shot this year and “posterize” some folk!

Hope Sy gotta jumpshot too?

Big Al, rebound the darn ball… 12 rebounds a night should be your goal. Top 5 in rebounding will put theis team in the ECF for the very first time!

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1st 22 games= 18-4! YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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16-6 through the first 22. Unlike some teams, Hawks’ players kept themselves in-shape and weren’t to far from B-ball.

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Lol at “man-love” for Thabeet.

Motiejunas sets defensive rebounding record
Donatas Motiejunas – Asseco ProkomDonatas Motiejunas etched his name in the Euroleague record book on Wednesday by hauling in 18 defensive rebounds in Asseco Prokom Gdynia’s 67-52 victory over Union Olimpija Ljubljana.

@ Undisputed Champs
Horford should garner Bogut (low potential because of arm) and Leuer with his 35mpg and jumpshooting and IQ he can provide much leadership to a rebuilding team like Milwaukee.

The key however is a perimeter player who can help shooting AND our defense.

Imagine Jamal Crawford who can defend box out PFs and rebound and trail as a PF. We need that size and offensive skill to make the offense of inside players work.

Hawks upgrade Perimeter size and let Smith play inside
Leuer > Vlad > Marvin > Jamal

“He’s a four that can really stretch the defense,” Drew said. “I did a lot of homework on him. With Joe’s ability to force double teams, having that four that can go out there and stretch it, it gives you an added weapon. Tracy is a really good passer and you put him with the ball in position where he can operate, teams have to collapse their defenses on him [too]. With [STRETCH 4], he’s a guy that lives at the 3-point line.”

Notice he doesnt say Smith Dalembert or Thabeet or Horford lives at the 3 point line. Horford makes no 3 point plays, Smith can drive for crucial high-profile 3 point plays hoop and harm but not if you play (Smith, Horford, and another center). No perimeter plaer there forces coach to play Smith outside.

Smith + Vlad + Horford is treading water. We know the formula is Smith inside + PF shooter + defensive center. Smith dropping 30 lbs, stop treading water. Defensive anchor is there. Get Bogut Lets be leaders in the East.

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THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS

FOR ALL YOU HATERS WHO THINK I’M AN IDIOT, THIS IS TRANSLATED TO: “WHY DO WE HAVE THE EXACT SAME CORE OF PLAYERS EVERY SINGLE YEAR? WHY DO THE PLAYERS SAY THE SAME THING EVERY YEAR BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS? WHY IS JOE ALWAYS CONTENT WITH OUR ROSTER?”

GOD BLESS.

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Melvin…..one year contracts….remember, these guys are still trying to sell the team, no matter what they told us. They’ll keep on trying…

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MC
Do u hear any rumor that hawks are reaching to NO or Orlando for paul or howard trades?

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IT IS PATHETIC WE ARE NOT EVEN TRYING TO USE THE TRADE EXCEPTION

FOR THOSE WHO DON’T KNOW, WE HAVE A TRADE EXCEPTION FROM THE CHILDRESS TRADE. WE CAN USE IT AND NOT GO INTO THE LUXURY TAX

OUR OWNERS DON’T REALIZE THAT BECAUSE THEY DON’T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING

AMNESTY ASG

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Jamal Crawford: wanna send s/o to all my true Atl fans, u guys really supported me and made me feel like family over the last 2 yrs…thank u!!!!!!!!!!

Read more: http://hoopshype.com/twitter/tag/atlanta_hawks#ixzz1gTGX8s3N

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Marc J. Spears: Hawks free agent guard Jamal Crawford will likely decide on either Portland, Sacramento or New York on Wednesday, source tells Y! Sports. Twitter

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Who will start the small foward postion for the Hawks? Any guess or clue?

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You dont believe they will go with the more experience player in tracy Mcgrady. And if not, why? If yes, still why? lol!

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Wats the news on Jerry Stackhouse?

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Id agree the nash review. but get this. We can not trade Horford straight up for a center. He will have to be packaged or traded for a player who will then be added to another hawks player and traded. I still believe we can make the Howard Josh teammate dream come true.

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Tell ‘Em!

A Real GM NEVER trades a BIG for a small. SMH

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You BIG Dummie!

Let’s see trade a 25 year old for a 38 year old with spondylolisthesis …. Ugggh hella No! (see AL for Nash)
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Where do these dumb azz trolls come from? Return to Sender! We don’t want none.

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Drmaryb, I think he was posting that except from the ESPN article. Are you always that emotional about ESPN articles??

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I hope Day 5 wasn’t a disaster. Either that, or MC just said ((( bleep it ))), I’ll post Day 5 tomorrow morning.

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northcyde, I was just checking in myself and wondering if mc was going to give us a report or wait until tomorrow. BTW, I agree with your views toward Al. We need an athletic center rather than a mediocre power forward.

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