Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 4

Media Day (David Tulis/AJC Special)

Media Day (David Tulis/AJC Special)

Notes and quotes gathered at Hawks media day while realizing I won’t see 70 percent of these people for the rest of the season. . . .

  • I haven’t been in the locker room yet but Larry Drew said he’s put up a new sign that reads: “No excuses.” “I told them there are no more excuses at this point of our careers,” Drew said. “It’s time to take the next step.
  • That’s a good point. Hawks players and coaches can wish they had more pieces–nearly every team in the league does–but if this is the team they are going to have, then this is who is going to have to get it done. It’s not as if they don’t have players or experience.
  • “In order for us to become champs in this league we are all going to have to step our game up at some point,” Joe Johnson said. “We can’t blame it on ‘what we need.’ We can get it done with this group that we’ve got. We just have to believe it.”
  • Drew said Tracy McGrady and Jerry Stackhouse can provide the kind of leadership the Hawks have lacked: “Both guys have been at this long enough, they are not afraid to step on toes. That is one of the most important ingredients for veteran leadership. Irregardless of being here a short time, they are not afraid to voice their opinion, step on toes and call guys out. We haven’t had that in the past.”
  • Drew said J.J. needs to do more, too: “He knows the rest of the guys look up to him. He’s always been a leader by example, now we really need him to step up and really be more vocal. Don’t hold it in. We are a team that has been together for a while now and it’s time to turn the corner. To do that, we need him to step up and be more vocal.”
  • The biggest drop-off in J.J.’s numbers last season came at the 3-point line. I asked him if his injured elbow contributed to that: “I’m a guy who never makes excuses. I had a down year last year and I’m look forward to bouncing back. I don’t blame my elbow or none of that. I am just going to play the game the way I know how and contribute the best way I can.”
  • Tracy McGrady was pretty upfront about where he’s at in his career: “I had some injuries that set me back for two years but I was fortunate to bounce back from those. I’m not a 30-point scorer anymore but I can still play the game.”
  • Josh Smith told AJC wise guy Jeff Schultz that he’s worked on his mid-range game but wouldn’t be taking as many 3-pointers: “You’re going to see less of that from me.”
  • The stat geek inside of me immediately opened his smart mouth: “But better to take 3s when you have a 49.7 effective field-goal percentage, and make long 2s at a 39-percent clip.” Sometimes that stat geek is no fun.
  • Vladimir Radmanovich put on his Hawks jersey for the first time. “Everybody knows I am a 3-point shooter and I am a guy that stretches the offense,” he said. “I am going to try to do that and help guys get more space down in the paint to operate.”
  • I told him I noticed he had pretty good blocks and steals rates last season. He attributed it to dropping weight last season: “Not having so much weight gives me the opportunity to be quicker and lighter and I think that helped me last year in terms of steals and blocks. There are some advantages to it and some disadvantages to it. You have to pick your poison.
  • Everyone wanted to know if the Jeff Teague we saw against the Bulls is the same one we are going to see this season. The consensus was the Teague is playing as if he intends to back that up.
  • Drew: “Looks like he’s had a really good offseason. Judging by the first practices he’s really playing at a high level. His speed and quickness just makes us a totally different team. I expect him to take the bull by the horns. I don’t want him to have to wait on anybody. Let’s force the other guys to keep up with him. He’s the type of player that can impact the game with his speed and quickness.”
  • Joe: “I see him picking up right where he left out. I told Jeff coming in to this year he has to be that leader on the court where guys really can trust him. I’ve seen the work he put in over the summer, working on his jump shot and penetrating and making plays for guys. We are going to need him to do it. He’s a great defender, a guy who loves to get in the passing lanes. When he turns that corner, the Atlanta Hawks are going to turn that corner as well.”
  • J.J. has noticed what I’ve noticed: Teague is carrying himself differently now. “You can see how he communicates, his body language, knowing that he is going to have the rock in his hand making decisions.”
  • There also were some questions about how the Hawks would replace Jamal Crawford’s scoring. “I’m going to step my game up,” J.J. said. “Josh is going to step his up, Al his going to step his up. I think [we do it] collectively as a team. It’s not just going to be one guy. I think we are going to have to do something to pick up the slack.”
  • “We are going to have to depend on me and Marvin and Al and Teague to fill that void that Jamal left,” Josh said.
  • Kirk Hinrich said he hasn’t been cleared to run yet so he’s trying to stay in shape by getting on the bike and elliptical machine. “It’s just frustrating not to be able to play,” he said.
  • The Clippers claimed Chauncey Billups.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

289 comments Add your comment

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2011
9:02 pm

“I haven’t been in the locker room yet but Larry Drew said he’s put up a new sign that reads: “No excuses.” “I told them there are no more excuses at this point of our careers,” Drew said. “It’s time to take the next step.”

He’s right. No excuses to not start Teague.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
9:07 pm

Joe’s coments translated: i am not a leader. We all have to step up. I am not a leader by example.

HAVE WE OFFICIALLY SIGNED STACKHOUSE OR NOT????

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
9:08 pm

Seeing RED!
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FTPB

RED

I posted this last week when I heard on 790 The Zone from Matt Chernoff that the ASKG spent 2M to open a full service restaurant inside Phillips Arena.

These fat cats don’t want to spend 2M on luxury tax? Why did they purchase a NBA team if, they are more interested in the restaurant business?

RED? WTF kinda name is that? I could free style 20 better names for a FKN restaurant than “RED”.

Spend some damned money on this roster azz-holes!!!
Ain’t nobody gonna’ be sittin’ up in no ASKG restaurant in addition to paying for game tickets. Hella, we eat before we come down there or somewhere else after the game.

Full Service? WTH is that supposed to mean? We gotta’ over pay for bad food and tip the waiter too? Ha Ha!
Hell to the naw – bruh!!! Ain’t gonna’ happen. I hope your stupid restaurant named RED goes bankrupt!

I really hate these owners, they don’t even have a clue. They are the 1% ers.

Tale of Woe

December 12th, 2011
9:10 pm

Can someone tell our brilliant coach that irregardless is not proper English. Thank you

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
9:11 pm

LD asking Joe to be vocal after he has been here for 6 years. good luck getting Joe to do that.

SMH

Demetrius

December 12th, 2011
9:14 pm

I’m really curious to see how our captains “step their games up” this season. I don’t expect to see much of an improvement for Joe from his career norms (which are already impressive, with last season being an outlier). As for Josh and Al, I’m really interested in seeing what they’ve improved on during the offseason. I’m not sure whether we’ll be seeing Josh more at the 4 or the 3 this year, but at 225, he may get worn down playing the 4 exclusively against so many bigger players. Also, in terms of Al, I’d like to see what he’s done to improve his post game and driving ability. It’s a big mystery right now. I saw clips of him in the FIBA Americas tournament during the summer and he seemed to have some new moves that I’ve never seen him use before. He was easily the best player on the court in most of those games. But, then again, those games were against competition much inferior to the NBA, so how Al’s improvements fair against elite competition in this league remains to be seen.

Michael Cunningham

December 12th, 2011
9:16 pm

@JeJe: Stack is still just a camp invite.

Jody

December 12th, 2011
9:18 pm

@MC,

As always, good job on the rundown. However, all of these comments sound like the same things we’ve been hearing for the last five years. I really do hope the Hawks are “seriously” looking at trades because it has been proven repeatedly that this core group is not going to go any further than it already has.

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2011
9:19 pm

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217440/Blazers_Wolves_Knicks_Pacers_Interested_In_Jamal_Crawford

Seems like Jamal is finding slim pickings. If we cared we could probably have him back just my opinion

Fundamentals

December 12th, 2011
9:21 pm

Teague needs to be our vocal leader and floor general supported by a mature, focussed Josh Smith. Joe isn’t that guy. We need that emotional “it” factor that woody & LS have tried to crush in Teague and Josh bc they don’t understand “it”.

Section 303

December 12th, 2011
9:22 pm

I’m just ready to get the season started. Seriously thinking of road tripping to Charlotte for the game next Monday.

Jay Dubu

December 12th, 2011
9:25 pm

According to ESPN website, the Hawks are paying Radmanovic $6,883,800. Is that accurate?

For that amount they could have resigned Jamal.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
9:27 pm

Quote It!

I love the fantastic quotes from all the players and the new players too! Like Ken Strickland and SlimJr has been saying all along – there is a newness and a buzz to this team so far.

Sometimes less is more in terms of not making splash moves just to make some noise, (see the Philly Eagles this year and the Magic last year). Sometimes, like those two aforementioned teams – a GM can try too hard, do too much and disrupt good chemistry.

These owners want to drain the blood from a turnip with this core. Let’s hope the core start to bleed profusely and hemorrhage enough wins to an ECF and Championship game. Be that dark horse.

These quotes got me fired up now. Let’s boycott that new RED restaurant yawl. Don’t feed the ASKG if they won’t spend luxury taxes and use MLE and 3M cash drops from trading two picks. I’ll support this team, but not the ASKG extracurricular activities. Are you with me on that boycott?

Dawg

December 12th, 2011
9:28 pm

Jay: The cheap owers would not pay their mothers that much. Radmanovic is much, much cheaper.

Roy

December 12th, 2011
9:29 pm

Sounds like they are singing the right tune hopefully they all step their games. MC whats the word on Kito and Charles Garcia.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
9:34 pm

Don’t Go Here!

Pano Karatassos’ $2 Million Philips Arena Restaurant – Arena Eats …

Dec 5, 2011 … Pano Karatassos, president of Buckhead Life Restaurant Group, is teaming with
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New restaurant at Philips Arena and more news | Food and More …

3 days ago … Philips Arena, home to the Hawks, recently announced plans for a sit-down
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moboman

December 12th, 2011
9:39 pm

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
9:39 pm

MC, I was positive he was an invite. Was just making sure. he really seems to enjoy ATL. I’d sign him over some scrub PG and hope TMac can run backup PG for a minute

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
9:40 pm

Inner Dog!

“@JeJe: Stack is still just a camp invite.” -MC-
__________

Well MC, if Stack doesn’t garner a roster spot, perhaps he can take Nick Van Exel’s old job and help Teague feed his
Inner Dog. Or, he can sit in Tyrone’s old chair behind the bench and do what he did.

Hey! I’m just sayin’ it can’t hurt.

RealFan

December 12th, 2011
9:45 pm

I cannot believe all the hate for Larry Drew. Larry Drew has done a fine job with this team, and offensively we are light-years ahead of the past. Don’t let your hate for ASG being cheap, transfer to Drew. Sure he was a cheap hire, but he’s done a great job and has deserved none of this criticism. As for not starting Teague, there is a reason for that. They were easing him into the game, even though he had not shown anything great and showed zero confidence, when Bibby was the starting PG. When we traded for Hinrich, Drew was FORCED to start him. We made a lucrative deal and Drew had to make our franchise not look stupid. The Teague that showed up during the Playoffs was NOT the Teague that showed up n the regular season. Night and Day difference. Anyone who watched the Hawks’ whole season could tell you that. Teague’s outstanding play in the playoffs has warranted him the start to start the year. If he does well and Drew benches him as soon as Hinrich comes back, then bash him.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
9:45 pm

Look at the moves Dallas is making. They are better than us in every single facet of how a franchise operates

brigadierjerry

December 12th, 2011
9:49 pm

If you look at the first 22 games for the hawks a third of this shortened season what do you see the Hawks record as after 22 games?

Tue 27 @ New Jersey 7:30pm
Wed 28 vs Washington 7:30pm
Fri 30 vs New Jersey 7:30pm
Sat 31 @ Houston 7:00pm
Mon 02 @ Miami 7:30pm
Tue 03 @ Chicago 8:00pm
Thu 05 vs Miami 8:00pm
Fri 06 @ Charlotte 7:00pm
Sat 07 vs Chicago 7:00pm
Mon 09 @ New Jersey 7:30pm
Wed 11 @ Indiana 7:00pm
Thu 12 vs Charlotte 7:30pm
Sat 14 vs Minnesota 7:00pm
Mon 16 vs Toronto 4:00pm
Wed 18 vs Portland 8:00pm
Fri 20 @ Philadelphia 7:00pm
Sat 21 vs Cleveland 7:00pm
Mon 23 @ Milwaukee 8:00pm
Wed 25 @ San Antonio 8:30pm
Fri 27 @ Detroit 7:30pm
Sun 29 @ New Orleans 7:00pm
Tue 31 @ Toronto 7:00pm

I also will say the Hawks matchup decently with the Heat. I wont guarantee they would win the series but I think it would be a tough series. Indiana getting West will be a much improved team as well as NY although lack of a true point guard will be a negative but they will be a bit better defensively overall with Tyson Chandler.. Phili will be good. I see Boston not being as good as well as Chicago not being as good as far as win total goes I think the Hawks will finish max 3 seed in east, at worst 5 seed.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
10:00 pm

Early Bird Special!

Briggs, IDK re: the 22 games outcome. It’s too early to tell until the rosters are set. A short camp should clue us in very soon.

doc

December 12th, 2011
10:03 pm

to risk sounding like the beloved ken strickland ….. the key to this team and how far it goes is if jeff teague can continue his progression we all saw in the playoffs and stay healthy. if marvin comes close to his contract year, then we might have something special that i felt was there a few years past. if only we had a legit 10-15 minute big like dampier off the bench on a good night, then we might make waves. with all that, once kirk comes back then this team is dangerous.

is stack one of the fold now for sure? what took the basg and rick sund two years to make this move? is it too late and he is nothing more than a joe smith?

Willy

December 12th, 2011
10:11 pm

If I had a dollar for every time I heard a Hawk say “that’s the way it goes sometimes” after a double digit loss I could afford season tickets. Acquiring depth won’t help this team until the starters (except Horford) can look in the mirror and find some heart.

doc

December 12th, 2011
10:14 pm

dmb yes, the birds got off the hook yesterday. next year, they dont get the gifts the rook qb gave them.

oh dmb, matty is better than mv7 any day and improving and i was an mv7 fan and a matty detractor coming out of bc. get a few lineman signed to protect him next year and we got something. he is better than manning 2 was at this stage of the game and will work to improve, which i might add was mv7’s undoing. sorry guys, mv7, just isnt a pro.

brig, i am amazed at all the folks trying to get into the prediction mode since obviously the deals aint done yet. i have to wait and then come up with my swammy read and i have hit it for years now. aj and big ray will attest as they might be all that is left from the 13 win team debacle that sat here and held the blog together that year and i hit that right on the nose and have followed suit ever since.

c billips to clips? that is better than paul. silly azz stern, as he thinks he can pull strings to make the hornets relevant, he is a fool as he is responsible for the pause that has set the owners back in some cash flow and didnt serve up anything he promised. man it is fun to watch billionaires as luck as they are think they are smarter than the average bear. i really cant stand to look at him and he certainly needs to go and wonder how long it will take for a mutiny of the owners?

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
10:23 pm

LD, speaking of JJ; We are a team that has been together for a while now and it’s time to turn the corner. To do that, we need him to step up and be more vocal.” .

JJ, speaking of Teague;< When he turns that corner, the Atlanta Hawks are going to turn that corner as well.”.

I agree with LD. We need JJ to step up and be more vocal. What we dont need, is 3 captains.

Astro Joe

December 12th, 2011
10:23 pm

MC, have you had a chance to ask LD, “what did you work on during the off-season?

doc

December 12th, 2011
10:23 pm

dmb, what is wrong with pano? he was the first restauranteur to bring anything more to atlanta beyond maddox fried chicken and axe handles, mary macs and one other down town restaurant that served up great cinnamon rolls and fresh lobster out of a window fish tank. maybe you dont remember the restaurants of the seventies? mick’s group and pano was it.

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
10:26 pm

Irregardless of LD’s vocabulary;
the sign should be in the offices of the ASG;
“No Excuses” !

LD is a coach who used a common double negatitive.
Myself having used quite freqently the non word ain’t
which in itself is bad grammar,
I am not going to critique the man on his linguistics.
Being a Coach is hard enough, so, I’ll stick to
critiquing his coaching techniques.
Any other foibles should be off limits to any who are
itching to cast the 1st stone.
[including his attire]
If the man coachs well;
I don’t care if he speaks Pidgin English and wears
pajamas to the games.

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
10:27 pm

*frequently not freqently

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
10:27 pm

Well Said!

Hey doc! Copyright that last pot. Matty Ice is Nice – hands down he has single handedly saved our franchise after we lost MV7. He reads defenses better than the OC by far!

Very high football IQ a true prototype at his position. Just makes smart, good decisions.

doc

December 12th, 2011
10:27 pm

g jeje, you mean cuban and the mavs arent happy to keep the core together that won an nba championship? go figure, eh?

guess dhoward needs to get better than dirk on playing the gm, too. heh heh.

guess you beat me to the stack question, helps to refresh.

The Truth

December 12th, 2011
10:29 pm

Carrlos Lyles

December 12th, 2011
10:31 pm

Joe isnt the vocal leader he is soft spoken thats just him. If the leadership does not come from the PG then the team will not respond effectively.

doc

December 12th, 2011
10:31 pm

dmb, chernoff is 680 with chuck. bell and archie are 790. which was it?

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 12th, 2011
10:31 pm

@Realfan great analysis. sometimes that lucrative $$ part of a deal goes overlooked. You cant bench someone who management said was the key (Hinrich). Makes management look stupid…

RESPONSE to: “According to ESPN website, the Hawks are paying Radmanovic $6,883,800. Is that accurate? For that amount they could have resigned Jamal.”

Can Jamal defend PFs?

Smith + 6′10 shooter Vlad + 6′10 center Horford
become
Smith + 7′0 shooter Leuer + 7′0 center Bogut

make the right move Sund, go Hawks!

doc

December 12th, 2011
10:36 pm

dmb, i just love it when we agree. heh heh

My View

December 12th, 2011
10:37 pm

Not having the Hawks to watch a few nights a week sure frees up more time during the week. Not always a good thing. The season can’t start soon enough…

EmirS.

December 12th, 2011
10:40 pm

Tue 27 @ New Jersey 7:30pm [WIN]
Wed 28 vs Washington 7:30pm [WIN]
Fri 30 vs New Jersey 7:30pm [WIN]
Sat 31 @ Houston 7:00pm [WIN]
Mon 02 @ Miami 7:30pm [LOSE]
Tue 03 @ Chicago 8:00pm [LOSE]
Thu 05 vs Miami 8:00pm [WIN]
Fri 06 @ Charlotte 7:00pm [WIN]
Sat 07 vs Chicago 7:00pm [WIN]
Mon 09 @ New Jersey 7:30pm [WIN]
Wed 11 @ Indiana 7:00pm [LOSE]
Thu 12 vs Charlotte 7:30pm [WIN]
Sat 14 vs Minnesota 7:00pm [WIN]
Mon 16 vs Toronto 4:00pm [WIN]
Wed 18 vs Portland 8:00pm [LOSE]
Fri 20 @ Philadelphia 7:00pm [LOSE]
Sat 21 vs Cleveland 7:00pm [WIN]
Mon 23 @ Milwaukee 8:00pm [WIN]
Wed 25 @ San Antonio 8:30pm [LOSE]
Fri 27 @ Detroit 7:30pm [WIN]
Sun 29 @ New Orleans 7:00pm [WIN]
Tue 31 @ Toronto 7:00pm [WIN]

16-6 IMO

I didn’t take into consideration if a specific game was back to back or back to back to back because I’m sure all the other teams will be in the same boat as the Hawks.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
10:43 pm

You Pick ‘Em!

“dmb, chernoff is 680 with chuck. bell and archie are 790. which was it?” -doc-
________

LOL! If it ain’t the 2 Live Stews? I can’t tell what it is. I toggle back and forth every time a commercial come on.
LOL! They all sound alike to me. LMBAO! ROF & KTC (kicking the couch) I need water – OMG!

I love you doc! You keepin’ it real?

The Truth

December 12th, 2011
10:47 pm

The Truth has already been spoken about the asg, management and this team. What else is there to say? The owners will get out of this team what they put in. It is just that simple.

kwooden

December 12th, 2011
11:03 pm

I like the attitude of “No Excuses” but I hope that LD takes this to heart. He’s got to keep working in games to find combination that work. Too often last year the team was flat and he tried one thing, but didn’t try anything else. I think this is part of the reason that Jeff didn’t play much because LD was content with playing Jamal hoping things got better. LD will be forced to use Jeff a lot and I think the series in Chicago made him understand the clear benefit of having him on the court for extended periods. Without Kirk around LD better realize that he has no good bench defenders except for Sy. Pape is a good defender, but from what I’ve seen he gets in foul trouble very quickly. I hope that LD realizes this ahead of time and doesn’t throw Sy in the doghouse after he picks up 2 fouls in 30 seconds. LD can’t just blame the players for not working hard and make sure he tries everything he can to win!

GO HAWKS!!

doc

December 12th, 2011
11:03 pm

dmb, are saying we all sound alike? heh heh

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2011
11:08 pm

“As for not starting Teague, there is a reason for that. They were easing him into the game, even though he had not shown anything great and showed zero confidence, when Bibby was the starting PG. When we traded for Hinrich, Drew was FORCED to start him. We made a lucrative deal and Drew had to make our franchise not look stupid. The Teague that showed up during the Playoffs was NOT the Teague that showed up n the regular season. Night and Day difference. Anyone who watched the Hawks’ whole season could tell you that.”

In the words of Grandmaster Jeje, smgdmfhffs.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2011
11:09 pm

“If you look at the first 22 games for the hawks a third of this shortened season what do you see the Hawks record as after 22 games?”

I think 13-9 is fair.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2011
11:11 pm

“matty is better than mv7 any day and improving and i was an mv7 fan and a matty detractor coming out of bc. get a few lineman signed to protect him next year and we got something. he is better than manning 2 was at this stage of the game and will work to improve, which i might add was mv7’s undoing. sorry guys, mv7, just isnt a pro.”

Playoff wins: MV7 2, Ryan 0.

KevinM

December 12th, 2011
11:14 pm

DMB, you go back-2-back on the entertainment news…good stuff. And I heard Khloe is all-in with Lamar headed to the Big D! Cuban meets the Kardashians…..I guess Jenner can now be front and center at the AAA!

And I’m with ya! No RED for me! Let Gearon and his cronies sit in there by themselves while they feed this roster to the city of Atlanta.

We have good pieces, and yes, pieces good enough to get to the playoffs.
And yes, to possibly get to the 2nd round. Right now, the difference between the optimism of last year and this year is one guy:

Jeff Teague – he will have to be the lil engine that could. He doesn’t have a backup and shouldn’t worry about competition. Sund hasn’t stepped up and addressed this role off the bench. You need a game changer off the bench who directs this team.

Well? Your move now Sund………retain that slot over Orlando before they are able to strengthen themselves.

KevinM

December 12th, 2011
11:16 pm

Prediction after 22 games………11-11… I’m not drinking the Kool-aid with you guys…..we are an average team with an average braintrust.

Good luck to you LD!

doc

December 12th, 2011
11:34 pm

since matty in league, mv7 0 and matty 0, says it all najeh. mv7 should be adding to his legacy and he hasnt. i liked mv7 and was enamored with his special gifts, sad to say he was too thick in the head to get much better. now how many wins does he have as a starting qb in the league since matty appeared on the scene as a rookie? god gifts are only as good as the person that uses them and grows within. sorry, as smart and cnadid as you are your man love overwhelms you on this one. also read a recent remark on another blog so i was expecting your response after i made mine and read yours, very predictable. ;-) let us look at the full body of work with an objective eye najeh, and i prefaced it by saying i liked mv7 and didnt matty.