Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 3

JJ Smoove

December 11th, 2011
7:22 pm

First?….ahahahaha

JJ Smoove

December 11th, 2011
7:24 pm

first post….first first….

Carrlos Lyles

December 11th, 2011
7:26 pm

They are going to have to get out and run. glad that everybody seems to be in shape.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 11th, 2011
7:27 pm

Josh Childress? Who is that?

Astro Joe

December 11th, 2011
7:27 pm

Dang, MC, you are already in mid-season form.

FTLB, I’m predicting the Hawks win 65% of their games, which is 43 wins in the abbreviated schedule and the equivalent of 53 wins in a normal schedule. I think the roster is a little more balanced than it has been in a while. And I think the season will be far more entertaining than last season’s bore-fest.

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 11th, 2011
7:28 pm

Ken Strickland

the NBA sucks. Every year we have a hole to reach the Finals and are a year behind the consensus scouting reports.

2008 – 7 Games with Celtics, Hawks are undersized
2009 – 4 Game Sweep w/ Cleveland, Hawks are undersized
2010 – 7 Games w/ Milwaukee, Sweep w/ ORL, Hawks are undersized
2011 – 6 Games w/ ORL, 6 Games w/ CHI, Hawks Horford + Smith @ Forwards cant shoot

Marion – Nowitzki – Chandler
Rodman – Laimbeer – Mahorn
Tayshaun – Rasheed – Big Ben

The 2nd player in that list is the frontcourt player who gives you a perimeter option.

Smith is the top Power 3 in that group but Vladimir and an undersized 2 FTA per game Al Horford is incredibly soft and not the answer.

The Hawks are shuffling their feet with Al Horford. He exceeded out of college but hes not the star PF we hoped for. You need a star center or SF to create for him. We have a Marion type in Josh. We can get a star center for Horford. We can get a better shooting option at PF than Vladimir “Space Cadet aka Air Head” Radmanovic. The Hawks are done with the Al Horford + Josh at SF + center model. Time for the Josh Smith + PF shooter + center model.

“He’s a four that can really stretch the defense,” Drew said. “I did a lot of homework on him. With Joe’s ability to force double teams, having that four that can go out there and stretch it, it gives you an added weapon.

Not with Joe’s ability to force doubles we should look for Horford to take a contested set shot or drive and twist his ankle or get injured.

Bottom Line As IS:
* Regular Season: NBA sucks even superteams have piss poor depth and we can go 60% wins
* Postseason: We know what we need (Smith inside, shooter PF, true center)
* Postseason: MIA, CHI, NY, IND

all those teams could beat us and it would not be considered an upset. Radmanovic? Really. Then there’s PHI. WAS is unlikely but every year Hawks are undersized and a year behind scout reports. Im tired of it.

northcyde

December 11th, 2011
7:29 pm

If we get Billups, Drew will insert him as the starter, because Chauncey will probably demand that if ATL signs him.

If we get Arenas, that’s a RED FLAG of tremendous proportions.

Funny how Sund “likes our bigs”, but MC doesn’t particularly like the “new” big. Might as well take over as GM . . MC.

Astro Joe

December 11th, 2011
7:29 pm

•Horford on Teague: “I think he’s just more confident as a player. I think the playoffs helped him. I just hope he keeps that edge and confidence and keeps playing hard.”

MC, you are the best.

December 11th, 2011
7:30 pm

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Norcross

December 11th, 2011
7:31 pm

MC, what do you think of Pape Sy?

Adil

December 11th, 2011
7:31 pm

akakak second

Section 303

December 11th, 2011
7:33 pm

Getting Billups would be incredible. And, actually I think Arenas could help, too. But, considering neither will play for free, no need to get hopes up.

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 11th, 2011
7:33 pm

Put me down for 43 wins, which is a 65% winning percentage… equivalent to 53 wins in a normal season. This is a fairly balanced roster and I am expecting a more entertaining {regular season} than last year.

Like how you quantified regular season. Josh Smith and McGrady right?

What Drew effectively said on the Jash @4 is dont expect to bench Marvin for bigger shooter Radmanovic. Why? Because that would leave Al “bootleg Amare” Horford on the trade block. Trade HORFORD.

Prison Mike

December 11th, 2011
7:34 pm

Benson isn’t going to make the roster. Sims, a center that was in camp a couple years ago is bigger and stronger and still can’t stick to a team.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3273/courtney-sims

Vettledi

December 11th, 2011
7:34 pm

“Billups isn’t a pure point guard”
Are we talking about Chauncey Billups? The veteran who pushed the Nuggets to their best results, makes his free-throw, shoots from deep and talks a lot to his teammates? I’m sorry but he IS a true PG!

B.o.B

December 11th, 2011
7:34 pm

MC

Any news on the 3-way trade Jamal Crawford and the Knicks? Players involved etc?

LoopingMurdock

December 11th, 2011
7:44 pm

i think Pape will impress everybody this year… except LD?
http://youtu.be/I0K_D9aZVnc
just check out his stats on lnb.fr, when he played in french proA he’s been the best scored / min played!

Section 303

December 11th, 2011
7:44 pm

B.o.B, I know you asked Michael. But, the 3-way trade is not going to happen. Hawks would have to take money back and the Knicks have no pieces to trade. Jamal is going to walk and the Hawks are going to get nothing in return.

northcyde

December 11th, 2011
7:46 pm

Astro . . I agree that we’ll be around the 40 win mark in the regular season. That doesn’t really concern me.

What concerns me is that we’ve done absolutely nothing to get tougher as a team, or to address our rebounding issues. Everything so far is offense . . offense . . offense.

The question is going to be . . how do the Hawks deal with playoff level frontlines? That’s been the issue ever since we’ve became a playoff level team.

If the ASG can’t address that issue by adding quality vet minimum guys . .

And if the ASG isn’t willing to go into the Luxury Tax for at least ONE YEAR to see what happens if we DO add that type of guy to help the team . .

And if the ASG isn’t willing to trade one of our star players to address this very issue . .

Then how does this particular issue NOT be a problem come playoff time . . . AGAIN?

Sund’s and Drew’s solution to our problems is to “shoot better”. Get knockdown shooters in order to win games.

What frustrates fans is that we know that we’re good . . we know that we’re going to be at a certain level . . we even know what we need . . but the organization REFUSES to get us what we need.

I’ll still travel 300 miles to go to the games. I’ll still root for the Hawks. But when the playoff start, I’ll know how the movie ends, despite me hoping that it doesn’t end the same way.

MattP

December 11th, 2011
7:48 pm

I am glad they got more players with depth but like everyone is saying our big men will be a problem.

B.o.B

December 11th, 2011
7:51 pm

Chris Kaman a realistic trade target for the Hawks?

Big Ray

December 11th, 2011
7:53 pm

GM Rick Sund said the Hawks still “have never been a taxpaying team and our goal is not to pay the tax,” .

There it is folks – the franchise’s goal. I’m sorry, but it is what it is.

And we’re hearing the same BS from Sund that we heard before – “I like our bigs.”

What you see is what we got. No trades, no magic beans, just the same guys you had last season + TMac and maybe a D-leaguer or two to round out the rotation.

Off we go…

northcyde

December 11th, 2011
7:54 pm

Oh . . by the way . . . the “Name that Team” post that I had in the other blog, with the talk about team goals being winning a championship . . is the Memphis Grizzlies.

Imagine that . . the damn Memphis Grizzlies talking about winning a dang title, while our guys are talking about needing more depth because we “wore down”, just to be “in good shape” as a team.

I’d never thought I EVER see an article in which Grizzly players talk about winning a championship.

Amazing that their team and fan base has higher expectations than we do. Absolutely amazing.

northcyde

December 11th, 2011
7:56 pm

Big Ray . . and that’s why I want Al Horford to SHUT THE HELL UP.

I hate to put it like that. And I’m really not mad at that dude. It’s just that he HAS to realize that he’s not going to get any significant help on that frontline. If he’s not willing to be the badazz on the frontline, we may be in trouble come playoff time.

Cocaine

December 11th, 2011
8:00 pm

Somebody pls tell ownership that Dwight Howard said Josh Smith (His best friend) is a player he wanted to play with. After knowing such i would Package Al, Sign Jamal, good ol Captain Kirk, Marvin and two 1st round picks and send them to Orl now with that you might have to take on Turk contract but so what !!!

STRETCH

December 11th, 2011
8:03 pm

All the so-called super stars on the team all talking about “we need bigs” but aint doing nothing about their hefty contracts that they dont deserve!

Man i remember back in da days guys would re-structure their contracts to bring in help, but NOT Joe Johnson.

Ryan

December 11th, 2011
8:04 pm

MC,

The new CBA is a bit convoluted, but, if you could, can you give us an idea of where the Hawks stand in assumed committed salary (assuming your guesses to who makes camp or at least what salary range will more than likely assume bench positions) and how much will be left under the tax threshold to use toward signing someone? Thanks for the updates?

Sautee

December 11th, 2011
8:05 pm

“Atlanta’s $3.6 million trade exception from the Josh Childress deal expires on Dec. 16. Since the Hawks aren’t going to take on more salary than they send out, the exception will expire without being used. ”

Pitiful asset management. Just pitiful.

jhan

December 11th, 2011
8:08 pm

“I like our bigs” really means my owners say we don’t have any money for addtional players. Can’t believe Sund doesn’t want to add some bigs to this squad.

jdewayneatl

December 11th, 2011
8:11 pm

I really think that Chauncy would be a great fit, Arenas could do well also but I really don’t want any reason for Larry Drew not to play Teague. Chauncy would be much better for Teague.

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 11th, 2011
8:12 pm

“If he’s not willing to be the badazz on the frontline, we may be in trouble come playoff time”

How many years has Horford been punked/cussed out? Celtics, MIL with Kurt Thomas. Horford is a bad ass?

Of course the West.Conf. Grizzlies should be thinking championship.

6′8 Rudy Gay
6′10 Zach Randolph
7′1 Marc Gasol

very talented. Thinking big, whats our counter “Play small, play small, Horford will be a badazz.”

Horford has never been and never will be a badazz. Kurt Thomas, KG, Pierce etc.

What is Horford supposed to be? Become our designated thug and start “TJ fording” folk and jeopardizing others careers? Hes not a shot blocker. Hes not KG. Hes not Amare. Hes not Zach. Heck I checked his draftexpress measurements and hes not even David West.

This guy has the equivalent physical tools of Josh McRoberts and Ahmad Nivins and you guys should be happy hes been voted into All Star benches and his trade value is this high.
Hes not an anchor on either side of the ball and he realizes that. You know whos an anchor drawing double teams on offense? JJ. You know whos an anchor rejecting and altering shots on defense? SF Josh Smith.

Trade Horford for a PF shooter and a defensive anchor center. Tell MIL Horford is unhappy but hes young and healthy. The Horford experiment is done.

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 11th, 2011
8:14 pm

“Chauncy would be much better for Teague.”

Chauncey is pissed he keeps getting traded and says hes not in the mood to mentor or sit on the bench. He was very adamant about it.

Methinks he wants to stick it to NY by signing in MIAMI

northcyde

December 11th, 2011
8:15 pm

Stretch . . . JJ restructuring his contract has nothing to do with the ASG not signing or trading for a quality big man. What . . you want JJ to give back 30 million, just so the ASG can have more money to play with? They are the billionaires ( or hundred-millionaires ).

WE got an ownership group that will pay 70 million in salary, but won’t pay 72 million, because we’d get taxed another 2 million on top of that.

It’s not even about the luxury tax though. It’s about building the right type of team.

At least this offseason, the vet minimum guys were former starters who do have some ability. I’ll at least give them credit for that. But if the same problems arise come playoff time, what then?

LOL . . no more rants from me. I’m starting to sound like JeJe. I used to disagree with him all the time, but now I find myself agreeing with him more and more.

Let’s just start the season . . and hope we don’t have to watch this team play great one night . . and get blown out by 30 the next.

Dawg

December 11th, 2011
8:19 pm

Arenas wouldn’t be half of what Teague or Billups would be. Billups is a PREMIER PG. Teague is a top PG. What management would not do anything necessary to have Billups on a team.

Oh yeah, we are the Hawks.

Slimjr

December 11th, 2011
8:20 pm

OKAY ALL NBA BIG AL..What you see is what you get! Now roll out the ball and play like 7 footer cause your it BIG GUY!!!!!!!

Slimjr

December 11th, 2011
8:24 pm

“The Hawks are shuffling their feet with Al Horford. He exceeded out of college but hes not the star PF we hoped for. You need a star center or SF to create for him. We have a Marion type in Josh. We can get a star center for Horford. We can get a better shooting option at PF than Vladimir “Space Cadet aka Air Head” Radmanovic. The Hawks are done with the Al Horford + Josh at SF + center model. Time for the Josh Smith + PF shooter + center model.”

@Jeff I agree, Big Al should be shopped to take it to the next level but this guy looks to be an untouchable by Sund and Ownership group?

ryan

December 11th, 2011
8:25 pm

Howard said he play on any team that signs Arenas whether we should believe that or not should the Hawks take a gamble and sign Gilbert Arenas to get D12 we have his buddy Josh Smith already could Arenas seal the deal .

northcyde

December 11th, 2011
8:26 pm

@ Joe.Jeff . . . for us to get to the next level, he’s going to have to at the very least become our Alonzo Mourning. He’s dead set on becoming Sam Perkins though.

MattP

December 11th, 2011
8:29 pm

If that is the case we should sign arenas, pay tax if we have to, at the end of the season amnesty Johnson and sign D12.

Sherewshevsky

December 11th, 2011
8:37 pm

I’d take ANY of these centers to help us off the bench. All are unrestricted free agents and 6′11″ or taller and should cost little to get.

Dalembert, Samuel, 30
Dampier, Erick, 35
Fesenko, Kyrylo, 24
Gadzuric, Dan, 33
Hollins, Ryan, 26
Mbenga, DJ, 30
Przybilla, Joel, 31

Grandmaster JeJe

December 11th, 2011
8:43 pm

“38 wins? if we only win 38 games with this team, I think the team should probably just change cities. That would be pathetic. We won 53 games under Woody.”

It’s a shortened schedule this year, though. 38 wins this year is equivalent to 47 wins in a typical year.”

^^My bad. Completely blanked out on that one. Still I think we should be shooting for the equivalent of 50 wins. Damn I tripped on that 1!

Grandmaster JeJe

December 11th, 2011
8:44 pm

This is the only NBA Franchise I have EVER seen that keeps the EXACT same core of players for 6 years and has no plans of changes and shows no major improvement or growth with the core. Who exactly on this team has overachieved the last 6 years?

[Insert the "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over..." Quote here]

Grandmaster JeJe

December 11th, 2011
8:45 pm

I am positive Houston will offer Nene the bank after the Grizz match Gasol’s offer. I agree with northcyde…If Rudy can fit in with that lineup and he and Z-Bo can co-exist offensively, that team is hella scary. I absolutely love Gasol’s game and Z-Bo has been an elite PF scorer for years.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 11th, 2011
8:48 pm

So can we sign 1 more player to the veteran minimum without going into the LT?

superiorblogman

December 11th, 2011
8:49 pm

I like your realistic attitude this year MC. No sense in bs’ing around. Since the Hawks aren’t taking on more salary than sending out that exception will expire and we will lose another asset without getting any value out of it. SMH

superiorblogman

December 11th, 2011
8:52 pm

Much respect to Josh, Al, and Joe don’t let up. We need more help no matter what the incompetent one’s say. Much respect for the Teaguer for looking in control. Run the team Teague, I don’t care about stats. Run the team and play D and you will be a huge hit amongst those of us with true basketball knowledge.

Another GM

December 11th, 2011
8:52 pm

Northcyde……..I agree with you. At seasons end Horford and Smith will demand to be traded and we will be sitting just like New Orleans…………trying to send JSmoove to the Lakers for somebody like Luke Walton, LMAO.

BTW: Memphis is much better than Atlanta, hands down.

MattP

December 11th, 2011
8:54 pm

I really hope the Hawks change owners soon and stay in Atlanta. Anyone with any idea what basketball is better then ASG.

ryan

December 11th, 2011
8:55 pm

Pacers can not get OJ Mayo .

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 11th, 2011
8:55 pm

High Schoolin’!

“. he talks about how the Hawks value “versatility” and they like that Al can play 5/4, Josh can play 4/3, Joe 2/3 etc.” – MC -
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This right here reminds me of a high school football team where, you see their best three players playing WR/CB and RB too. The poor kid never gets a blow.

The poor kid never hones in really well on one position because, he is spread so thin. These Hawks will never know their role. They might know Magnum Rolle – but they will know who THEY are. Sund embracing our versatility is translation for being cheap.
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Hey doc! The dirty birds and Matty Ice pulled a win out of their backsides. Wonder why we didn’t see Harry Douglas out there? Do you know if Harry is hurt?

Rufus1

December 11th, 2011
8:56 pm

Ask Al…

What 10mil a year “banger” are we going to get…..We pay you 12mil a year to be that person and Zaza 5mil to be your back-up….Tell your coach to use him. We also have a 6′8 240lbs SG and a 6′9 240lbs SF, tell them to crash the boards.

Most teams only go 8 or 9 dept….Back-up PG, SG, SF, and PF/C…So how many “bigs” do we need? The coach needs to use the players he has and stop making excuses. We wasted 2 draft picks because he wouldn’t play Teague and cost us the 5th game in the Bulls series when he sat Zaza.

The talent is on this team, LD need to live up to it.

Roy

December 11th, 2011
8:57 pm

MC is there a chance the hawks could swing a trade with Sacramento for a jason thompson. They have a load of cap space and he would fill a need. Maybe we can ship out Marvin for him or something to that effect.

riche

December 11th, 2011
8:58 pm

billups could be a good pick up for the hawks. play teauge at the point and play chauncey at the 2. Move Joe to the three and put horford and josh down low. Has the potential to be a highscoring attack. But the Hawks wont win untill the get a legitimate big man. Sorry folks al horford isnt a center.

superiorblogman

December 11th, 2011
8:59 pm

Kirk, Zaza, and a 2nd round pick for Kaman and Willie Warren

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cwfed8z

Astro Joe

December 11th, 2011
9:00 pm

northcyde, I understand and you won’t read posts from me declaring that we are on our way to the ECF… I’m one of the few who actually really enjoys the regular season and so I’ll focus on the next 4 months of entertaining ball before worrying about what waits us next.

Maybe

December 11th, 2011
9:01 pm

We should be able to add Kyrylo Fesenko for 1.5mill w/o going over the 71mill tax line. Like I said, he’s a big boy and good defensively. He’s been in the league a while so I don’t know what vet min would be for him. Sund is stupid. If AL wants another “BIG” then Fesenko is the guy.

Oh and Chi isn’t going into lux-tax land either. They’re getting Rip for vet-min smh.

Trading Marvin/Kirk/Zaza is what we should look at to gain flexibility. PG,SF,C that’s a sold bench for anybody. We should tell teams were packaging them together. Take it or leave it. Throw in Benson/Rolle too lol.

Big Dog

December 11th, 2011
9:04 pm

“Big Ray . . and that’s why I want Al Horford to SHUT THE HELL UP.”

Now now NorthCyde! ROFLMAO,

Please dont hate horford. LMAO..

“im gonna play center and power forward, but may natural position is power forward, yall figure that Ch!t out” – A.H.

Sautee cover your eyes til the page changes.

MattP

December 11th, 2011
9:07 pm

riche
December 11th, 2011
8:58 pm

billups could be a good pick up for the hawks. play teauge at the point and play chauncey at the 2. Move Joe to the three and put horford and josh down low. Has the potential to be a highscoring attack. But the Hawks wont win untill the get a legitimate big man. Sorry folks al horford isnt a center.
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That really sounds good. I wish they would go back to playing Horford at 5, they could always switch it up to Zaza/Collins when we are playing centers like Howard or Bynum. Hawks need to face the fact that they will never win a championship with the Owners/GM they have. Look how long we had this core of Johnson/Horford/Smith, and we stilll are going with it and hardly no changes.

cp

December 11th, 2011
9:08 pm

I hope this ends all the Benson and Rolle talk. We need some legit bigs in here who can come contribute. This front office is a joke. They wont get anything for their best bench player nor will they use the trade exception . They continue to waste assets.

KirkZaza+2nd for KamanWillieWarren

December 11th, 2011
9:09 pm

Kirk, Zaza +2nd for Kaman and Willie Warren. Teams like the Spurs are watching the Kaman situation because they know how valuable he could be for a contender. Heck, he would get us closer to the ECFinals, something that Kirk can’t do. We must act fast. Clip are about to re-sign De-Andre Jordan to 4 year $10 million. You don’t do that for a backup. He is going to be there starter. Kaman is available. Sund is too incompetent to see that.

EmirS.

December 11th, 2011
9:13 pm

Enter your comments here

O'Brien

December 11th, 2011
9:18 pm

“Atlanta’s $3.6 million trade exception from the Josh Childress deal expires on Dec. 16. Since the Hawks aren’t going to take on more salary than they send out, the exception will expire without being used. ”.

So basically, the Hawks lost the 6th pick for nothing. Another example of mismanagement of assets. We should have traded Childress before letting him go overseas.

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 11th, 2011
9:19 pm

Re: northcyde

Horford is no Mourning. Mourning was a freak of nature
http://ww.draftexpress.com/profile/Alonzo-Mourning-3677/
Height w/o Shoes
6′ 9.5″
Wingspan
7′ 6.5″

That means Mourning was almost 6′11 and the length of a man 7 foot 7. Horford aint touching that.

Horford
Height w/o Shoes
6′8.75″
Wingspan
7′0.75

Thats McRoberts height and length.

Re: Slimjr
“The Hawks are shuffling their feet with Al Horford. He exceeded out of college but hes not the star PF we hoped for. You need a star center or SF to create for him. We have a Marion type in Josh. We can get a star center for Horford. We can get a better shooting option at PF than Vladimir “Space Cadet aka Air Head” Radmanovic. The Hawks are done with the Al Horford + Josh at SF + center model. Time for the Josh Smith + PF shooter + center model.”

@Jeff I agree, Big Al should be shopped to take it to the next level but this guy looks to be an untouchable by Sund and Ownership group?

Sund said Horford was not untouchable if it improves the team. Smith at the 3 is easy to build.
Add a Stretch 4 and a defensive anchor.
Smith + Vlade + Horford will not get it done. < Smith + Leuer + Bogut
I think MIL will stumble out the gates and give it up for youth easy.

O'Brien

December 11th, 2011
9:19 pm

With Orlando, Arenas shot 28% from 3, 34% from the field. And he averaged 3 apg, to go along with 2 turnovers per game. In only 22 mpg. Stay away from Agent Zero.

Billups averaged 17 pts, 5 assists and 2 turnovers per game in 32 mpg. And he shot 40% from 3.

I would take Billups, because he will help in the leadership department, and he can play both PG and SG.

Arenas might ask Teague to play cards with him.

Harry Hawk

December 11th, 2011
9:25 pm

Billups will sign with Miami. LeBron is going to win his title this year. Battier and Billups will add all kinds of toughness to that squad.

Ra'mon

December 11th, 2011
9:30 pm

Harry Hawk, you won’t find many players in the league tougher than Haslem. Billups will be the 2nd best pg on their roster though (Lebron is the first, lol).

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 11th, 2011
9:31 pm

Re: Rufus1

What 10mil a year “banger” are we going to get…..We pay you 12mil a year to be that person and Zaza 5mil to be your back-up….Tell your coach to use him. We also have a 6′8 240lbs SG and a 6′9 240lbs SF, tell them to crash the boards.

Josh Smith is a 6′8 225 SF. And Marvin was drafted for perimeter shooting and athletic slashing. Thought hed be Paul Pierce 2.0. Smh fail.
Now Vlade is needed for shooting but brings no size or toughness. Nothing.

And Horford is a low risk low reward scorer. No one wants to get doubled and then pass to a teammate who misses a wide open 2.

At least be a 3 point shooter or someone who can slash to the rim for hoop and harm. Thats why Smith is seen as a better Power Forward. All though he’s a Power 3, hes a more conventional faceup slasher and inside power player.

You play Horford at the elbow next to a Dwight Howard but we cant afford those guys. Last I heard Bynum + Gasol was the offer from ORL to LA.

You think ORL wants to see Dwight win somewhere else they would ream and gut us.

riche

December 11th, 2011
9:32 pm

just read this tweet. Thought all hawks fans would think its funny.
“I can’t believe Mike Bibby is going to play another season…he couldn’t cross up a deacon in a church basketball league.”

EmirS.

December 11th, 2011
9:34 pm

“With Orlando, Arenas shot 28% from 3, 34% from the field. And he averaged 3 apg, to go along with 2 turnovers per game. In only 22 mpg. Stay away from Agent Zero.” -O’Brien

Lol your right. There’s also a reason he isn’t called “Agent Zero” anymore.

darrell starks

December 11th, 2011
9:39 pm

joe.jeff.smith.Leuer.Bogut. you make a lot of sense bro, i can’t understand when will the Sund wake up, this team with MARVIN, JOSH, HORFORD starting in front court will not get it done, 4 YEARS IS ENOUGH.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YO YO YO

December 11th, 2011
9:41 pm

Horford asks for more depth, the same thing everyone in this blod is screaming for, yet you idiots are bashing him for it?

Fanbase full of idiots. Yeah, go ahead and trade him and leave the franchise in the hands of a PF who insists on going 2-10 every night from three. LMAO

Pow

December 11th, 2011
9:46 pm

“Josh Smith is a 6′8 225 SF.”

LOL… Josh is not a small forward. He isn’t stretching the defense, he won’t lock down any decent wing player, and he’s not a ballhandler.

darrell starks

December 11th, 2011
9:46 pm

Coach LD will be in a rude of waking this year, with Horford starting at center, every year us bloggers have the same conversation about Hawks going after a center, Horford has repeated this along with FANS for years on getting a legit big in here, but Sund is happy what a waste.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

ryan

December 11th, 2011
9:46 pm

Why we keep bashing this team when we have made the playoffs back to back with 2 different coach’s Drew and Woodson its not the players its the ownership bottom line

MattP

December 11th, 2011
9:48 pm

Some are pissed because Horford is saying we need another big, which is true. No one has said anything about Horford asking for more depth. They Hawks do need to go for depth because they don’t have a true center, but there are some that need to finish of under the rim, which is what Collins does not do, to be honesty Collins doesn’t do much at all.

Alot of us are pissed because they had this same core for like 4-5 years and nothing is being done.

riche

December 11th, 2011
9:53 pm

if getting to the playoffs and getting blown out in the second round was a goal then the hawks are the best team in the league. Its a damn shame Sund forked over all that cash to bring back Joe when he could have used it to get multiple guys to actually help our team

MattP

December 11th, 2011
9:54 pm

ryan
December 11th, 2011
9:46 pm

Why we keep bashing this team when we have made the playoffs back to back with 2 different coach’s Drew and Woodson its not the players its the ownership bottom line
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No point in bragging about making the playoffs that much because we have the talent to easily win enough regular season games. The reason they have done it so much in a row is because they do nothing with the core like other teams would do to try and fix. You would think they would do something when they get blown-out in the 2nd round 2 times in a row. All they did was find a cheap coach…

ryan

December 11th, 2011
10:02 pm

That why i say its the owners and GM they would not hire Avery Johnson when they had the chance .

Oye

December 11th, 2011
10:03 pm

The goal shouldn’t be just to get to the playoffs, but Ryan’s point is right that our fans are some of the worst in sports because the Hawks have been the most successful of our three pro teams in recent years, yet all everyone talks the worse about them. Also, look at team like the Blazers… haven’t been out of the first round in a decade and drafted a total bust in Greg Oden, yet their fans are as fired up EVERY SEASON even though they have NO chance to make noise in the West which these clowns in here sit and pout.

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 11th, 2011
10:05 pm

Josh Smith is a 6′8 225 SF.”

LOL… Josh is a Power 3. He plays like a center but can d up guys his size. Defense plays the passing lanes like a monster. Offense. You put him on the baseline and run pick and rolls and tell him to grab the offensive boards. Thats why we got a stretch 4. A perimeter power forward so we can stick him inside and still add size.

We could get a better perimeter 4, you know one with defense and upside but that would mean giving up 12ppg tweener Horford and hurting Marvin Gaye William’s feelings.

Maybe we should pursue Kwame James Brown for 12ppg Horford and put Josh on the perimeter?

Fat Smith was putting in work on the aging Paul Pierce. We’ll see what he can do against the elite SFs in the league. Itll be interesting if they choose to defend Vladimir because unlike Leuer he cant post them up.

As for Smith Lebron Deng and Granger can defend Smith in the PnR. But doughboys Pierce and Carmelo HIGHLY doubt it.

Heres some skinny young Josh vs Carmelo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfKWYzcDM0Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1PyBEbX5Y4

Mo + Josh vs KMart + Carmelo (small Hawks)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMSiq5e7viM
Hope 6′8 Vlade can box out better than Mo.

tweener Marvin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72Xq0EiErhQ

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 11th, 2011
10:06 pm

Josh Smith is a 6′8 225 SF.”

LOL… Josh is a Power 3. He plays like a center but can d up guys his size. Defense plays the passing lanes like a monster. Offense. You put him on the baseline and run pick and rolls and tell him to grab the offensive boards. Thats why we got a stretch 4. A perimeter power forward so we can stick him inside and still add size.

We could get a better perimeter 4, you know one with defense and upside but that would mean giving up 12ppg tweener Horford and hurting Marvin Gaye William’s feelings.

Maybe we should pursue Kwame James Brown for 12ppg Horford and put Josh on the perimeter?

Fat Smith was putting in work on the aging Paul Pierce. We’ll see what he can do against the elite SFs in the league. Itll be interesting if they choose to defend Vladimir because unlike Leuer he cant post them up.

As for Smith Lebron Deng and Granger can defend Smith in the PnR. But doughboys Pierce and Carmelo HIGHLY doubt it.

Pow, YO YO YO

December 11th, 2011
10:08 pm

YO YO YO, Pow You guys mysteriously appear when ever a regular wants to say some thing but not get called on the carpet for it. Then you mysteriously disappear.

Tell my which of you is the puppet master of these trolls. Man up and say whats on your mind under your real names.

Pow, YO YO YO

December 11th, 2011
10:10 pm

They are probably pissed cause Horford wont man up an play is position on the team.

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 11th, 2011
10:11 pm

Greg Oden’s a bust because he cant play. Not because he isnt good when he steps on the floor.

This team gets bashed because medicocrity is not to be strived for. We dont pay for mediocrity we pay for excitement and dramatic moments.

We dont pay to watch them compete with garbage teams that arent as talented and get blown out in the playoffs.

Josh + 7′0 Leuer + 7′0 Bogut, The bench depth is nasty,

get it done. Lets take down some super teams.

KevinM

December 11th, 2011
10:12 pm

To be a Hawks fan is quite simple:

1) You don’t exeed the luxury cap.
2) You don’t use any MLE granted to you for any reason.
3) You extend your current players and you don’t get into bidding wars.
4) You overvalue your own players enough that there will be little interest in trade discussions.
5) You admit your adulation for your own roster and feel very good about competing for a playoff position in the coming season.
6) You never admit publically that there is a need to improve your team through trades or free agency. Every member is valuable to the success of the organization and are considered in the ‘prime’ of your career.
7) You always allow players no longer under contract to go find a better deal if they can. Compensation not needed.

Did I leave anything out?

KirkZaza+2nd for KamanWillieWarren

December 11th, 2011
10:16 pm

Kirk, Zaza, and a 2nd rd pick for Chris Kaman and Willie Warren.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi … Id=cgg6ajy

Take Zaza’s salary from next year and we are under the salary cap not just luxury, but we are under the cap. $55.67 We have almost $15 million to work with. We could re-sign Kaman and go from there. One thing is for sure we would have a better 6 under contract and we would be under the luxury after re-signing Kaman. We could actually amnesty Marvin at that point and get to $47 million which would be $11 million under and think about a big time pick up. This would be a great trade. Rather we re-sign Kaman or not making this trade would give us flexibility by getting rid of Zaza’s contract.

MattP

December 11th, 2011
10:18 pm

KevinM
December 11th, 2011
10:12 pm

To be a Hawks fan is quite simple:

1) You don’t exeed the luxury cap.
2) You don’t use any MLE granted to you for any reason.
3) You extend your current players and you don’t get into bidding wars.
4) You overvalue your own players enough that there will be little interest in trade discussions.
5) You admit your adulation for your own roster and feel very good about competing for a playoff position in the coming season.
6) You never admit publically that there is a need to improve your team through trades or free agency. Every member is valuable to the success of the organization and are considered in the ‘prime’ of your career.
7) You always allow players no longer under contract to go find a better deal if they can. Compensation not needed.
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Looks about right to me, lol. This ownership is a joke.

KirkZaza+2nd for KamanWillieWarren

December 11th, 2011
10:18 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cgg6ajy

Big

December 11th, 2011
10:26 pm

Enter your comments here

Neki

December 11th, 2011
10:28 pm

Oye,

Here is the reason why most of here pouts, Hawks never been in the ECF ever in Atlanta, Can you honest say that we can go against Bulls, Heat, C’s, Knicks in the second round and pass them with the same line-up like last year?

I know that is might be kind of hard to try to pick up players like Paul and Howard but at least try.

Big Dog

December 11th, 2011
10:30 pm

I would gladly have the hawks rent Howard for a season to see what he and Josh can do for the ATL than to wait 2 years and start rebuilding anyway.

Ken Strickland

December 11th, 2011
10:31 pm

How can the Hawks be considered an undersized team when they were taller than the Heat, who played in last yrs finals. We don’t have a single dominant type players, but we have a lot of talented players who are very versatile and athletic. I’m a firm believer that our biggest improvement will come from the improved play and confidence of the players we have, as well as the players we’ve acquired.

I project that a healthier MWilliams, a slimmer and stronger JCollins, a slimmer, quicker, and more athletic JSmith, and a far more confident JTeague will make a tremendous difference in this yrs team. If we can bridge the period until Hinrich returns, we’ll have a pretty solid bench. Zaza, Twin and Rolle gives us a lot of size, experience, versatility, and depth in the middle.

I don’t think it’ll matter much if we sign another minimum salaried Big. With 3 backup centers already on the roster, he’d probably end up being little more than another EThomas type bench warmer anyway. Rolle, or Benson, if he makes the 12 man roster, will provide Zaza and Twin with some shot blocking and rotational defensive help @ PF.

I project our bench to be comprised of Hinrich, TMac, Pape Sy, Twin, Zaza, Rolle, and radmanovic. However, Drew might decide to go with experience and replace Pape Sy with JStackhouse. I would love it if we could acquire CBillups. He would give us a starting lineup of SG-Billups, PG-Teague, SF-JJ, PF-JSmith, and C-Horford. Our bench would then be MWilliams, TMac, Zaza, Twin, Radmanovic, Hinrich, and Rolle.

MattP

December 11th, 2011
10:50 pm

You really are comparing Hawks to Heat? If so, please tell me what is our big 3?

Spyro

December 11th, 2011
10:55 pm

He would give us a starting lineup of SG-Billups, PG-Teague, SF-JJ, PF-JSmith, and C-Horford. Our bench would then be MWilliams, TMac, Zaza, Twin, Radmanovic, Hinrich, and Rolle.

The usual complainers here probably won’t admit it, but this would be a team to watch out for. Great defense and keeps Smoove and Horford more inside since JJ would be playing the 3. I like that roster.

EmirS.

December 11th, 2011
10:56 pm

@MattP

I think you missed his point. He said that “we’re taller then the Heat”.

EmirS.

December 11th, 2011
10:57 pm

^than*

MattP

December 11th, 2011
11:02 pm

He would give us a starting lineup of SG-Billups, PG-Teague, SF-JJ, PF-JSmith, and C-Horford. Our bench would then be MWilliams, TMac, Zaza, Twin, Radmanovic, Hinrich, and Rolle.
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I also like this but I don’t think we will be getting Billups. We do have a nice bench but I just wish ASG went after a decent starting center. I hate seeing Drew putting Collins in that starting line-up.

Section 303

December 11th, 2011
11:04 pm

I watch the Clippers play all the time. They are kind of my “NBA League Pass Team”. You don’t want Chris Kamen. I know he sounds good. He’s a big and those are hard to find. However, there is something about him….he just can’t get over the hump. He’s just kind of average.

I would not give up a bag of balls for Chris Kamen.

Spyro

December 11th, 2011
11:07 pm

303, do you know how much League Pass is gonna be this year?

Section 303

December 11th, 2011
11:17 pm

Spyro, No, I don’t. It will be prorated, though.

I can’t even remember how much it cost last year or the year before. I have it on automatic renewal on DirecTV. So, it just shows on my bill. I don’t even think about it.

By the way, the first year I had it (’07), I paid the entire cost upfront. Ever since then, it has shown on my bill in 4-5 monthly payments.

Anyways…if I had to guess at this year’s cost, I would guess around $130 for the season.

KirkZaza+2nd for KamanWillieWarren

December 11th, 2011
11:33 pm

Section 303

December 11th, 2011
11:04 pm

I watch the Clippers play all the time. They are kind of my “NBA League Pass Team”. You don’t want Chris Kamen. I know he sounds good. He’s a big and those are hard to find. However, there is something about him….he just can’t get over the hump. He’s just kind of average.

I would not give up a bag of balls for Chris Kamen.

Your opinion means nothing. Chris Kaman has had borderline all-star years. Chris Kaman would be more valuable than Kirk and Zaza put together. Don’t tell me what I don’t want. You are a loser and wan’t to continue to lose.

UGA

December 11th, 2011
11:48 pm

Don’t the Hawks need a backup 2G???? What is the market for Michael Redd and Willie Green??

Big Dog

December 11th, 2011
11:51 pm

“What is Horford supposed to be? Become our designated thug and start “TJ fording” folk and jeopardizing others careers? Hes not a shot blocker. Hes not KG. Hes not Amare. Hes not Zach. Heck I checked his draftexpress measurements and hes not even David West.

This guy has the equivalent physical tools of Josh McRoberts and Ahmad Nivins and you guys should be happy hes been voted into All Star benches and his trade value is this high.
Hes not an anchor on either side of the ball and he realizes that. You know whos an anchor drawing double teams on offense? JJ. You know whos an anchor rejecting and altering shots on defense? SF Josh Smith.

Trade Horford for a PF shooter and a defensive anchor center. Tell MIL Horford is unhappy but hes young and healthy. The Horford experiment is done.” – Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

JJSLB I think youve got this wrong, Al has never been voted onto an alstar team, hes always been a coaches pick. To clarify, the fans have never voted Al to the Allstar team other than that your point as usual is made as far as I can see.

JaeEvolution

December 11th, 2011
11:57 pm

Thabeet was amnestied by the Rockets…pick him up what’s really to lose by it?

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2011
12:08 am

JaeEvolution

December 11th, 2011
11:57 pm

Thabeet was amnestied by the Rockets…pick him up what’s really to lose by it?

Where did you see that? If he was someone will probably pick him up for league minimum and try to fix him

KevinM

December 12th, 2011
12:13 am

Haha, even Thabeet will get paid to not show up……

If we amnestied Marvin, we still wouldn’t replace that salary. We would be stuck at the ‘ASG’ salary cap, and that’s worse than the restricted NBA cap.

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2011
12:17 am

If Thabeet was really a amnesty victim please pick him up if he clears waivers Sund. Please. Pretty please. All I want is hope of a real C in a Hawks uniform. Please ask Sund about Thabeet if it is true he was a amnesty victim MC. Will you MC? Please.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 12th, 2011
12:33 am

“Asked about acquiring another center, Sund said:”I like our ‘bigs.’ We’ve got so many players that are versatile”

This guy always seems to amaze me. We have the same bigs as last year and he likes them. The same bigs that got stomped by Chicago in the playoffs. Was Sund not watching that series as the Bulls frontcourt got offensive rebound after rebound over the Hawks? Even my unborn daughter (not even concieved yet) could see the Hawks front court was subpar and needed a upgrade over the summer. But Sund is happy with them. SMGDH

FIRE SUND

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
12:57 am

My apologies to all
as I have not been able to follow along today.

Please go get Chauncey.

Whomever is saying; ["Sund"]
“we like our Bigs” – is being foolish.
it’s okay to like them, but, to think that our Bigs
are of championship caliber, is downright horse douvers !

Sund … Go get a legit Big + another Big that Rebounds !
Otherwise, just shut the Helots up.

Greg

December 12th, 2011
1:03 am

Actually, I think there’s a case to be made for Billups coming to ATL over MIA… we can offer practically the same minutes and we have greater latitude to pay him more. But if I were him, I wouldn’t do it unless there was an evident stronger commitment on the part of the ownership to win a championship… and that would require making an evident effort toward obtaining a big that can score from the post.

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2011
1:05 am

Billups will not be coming to ATL. He will go to the Lakers,Miami, or if legal back to NY. Why would someone nearing the end of there career come to a team that is obviously not willing to do anything possible within the CBA to get what they need to win it all? That’s like saying, I know I am dying soon but I think I still have time to waste. Who does that other than a idiot?

bird

December 12th, 2011
1:25 am

Billups ain’t walking through that door.. Jamal ain’t either, and neither is Arenas. Basically we’re screwed. I’ll still go down to the highlight factory a few times this year. Being a diehard Hawks fan sucks.

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
1:26 am

As much as I would love to see Billups come to Atlanta, I wouldn’t be surprised if Billups signed back with Denver! Denver is his home, and he didn’t want to leave there last season.

Greg

December 12th, 2011
1:41 am

To reiterate… I said “there’s a case to be made” based on similarity of minutes and the fact that even with the tax situation, we still have more $ to offer than MIA… and I said that if I were Billups I still wouldn’t come to ATL without having some empirical evidence that there’s a commitment to winning it all, which equates to spending into the tax and being willing to go get a big if/when the opportunity arises.

zachdahater

December 12th, 2011
1:48 am

conspiracy theory

What if the Hawks organization is not trying to get a CENTER in Atlanta to frustrate fans, and then because of lack of fan support, the FRANCHISE will have to be MOVED!!!……That’s the only logical explanation to me as to why we never go after ANY centers, and are going after PG and SGs when we are borderline loaded at those positions.
BEFORE ANYTHING, get a BIG in here. “I like our bigs”, PLEASE!! Your own center doesn’t like our bigs. We should be chasing Dalembert and Dampier. SCREW DWIGHT HOWARD!!! We just need a LEGIT Center. Not a PF/Center, but a LEGIT center. A center who is SOMEWHAT of a threat to score. Goofy Jason Collins won’t cut it, I hyperventilate whenever we has the ball. Get a center who knows what to do with the rock!
we’re alright at PG Teague/Sy/Hinrich (If he weren’t injured we’d be good, just hold out til Feb)
we’re good at SG Joe/Mcgrady/Stackhouse?
we’re GREAT SF Josh/Marvin(Healthy)/Mcgrady/Radmanovic
we’re good at PF Horford/Smith/ Rolle > Benson/Radmanovic
WORRY ABOUT THE CENTER!! GO HAWKS!!! Horford/Pachulia/Collins

Also, remember when Marvin was that reliable mid-range guy? Back in 06, 07, 08. He’s healthy now, health is very important, we have a BENCH this year, ALL WE NEED IS A FREAKING CENTER!!!!

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 12th, 2011
1:56 am

zachdahater

I think Stern has some compromising pics of Sund or ASG…

But a center wont work for obvious reasons. You want to get bigger so you can rebound and score easy inside paint shots but to do that you must keep Smith inside or its counterproductive.

Hence 6′8 Marvin becoming 6′10 Vlad Spazmanovic. Smith is a PnR power 3 and you need a stretch 4.

Horford at the 4 with Josh Smith at 3 and then a center? Who will shoot? That will force the Hawks to trade the “nice guy” Horford because it will be exposed Josh + Horf wont work and then Sund/ASG feels they’ll be forced to trade B.G.Al at a discount. I say get him out of here and toss in a pick for Bogut and Leuer.

Im tired of scrounging the garbage can for a center when we know that it does nothing for Horfords offense and kills Smiths offense by moving him outside.
A Power 3 needs a Stretch 4. Rasheed, Leuer, Gugliotta. Plain and simple.

Buddy Grizzard

December 12th, 2011
2:33 am

Thanks for all the great updates MC… you really are in mid season form.

Sleepy

December 12th, 2011
3:01 am

Someone should probably tell our captains that we wont be paying the luxury tax so they better get used to working with what they have .

MC – you have one of the best nba beat writer blogs in the nba going here . You always have lots of good information

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2011
4:29 am

Here is a idea. Why doesn’t the ASG just quit like N.O. former owner and give the team back to the NBA so we can get some favorable treatment like Stern vetoing bad moves or trades. I really think that is the answer Stern knows Atlanta is a goldmine for entertainment and it is not being tapped because of the ASG. He would probably give us Chris Paul as a boost for some potential owner

Hmmmm

December 12th, 2011
5:25 am

Carmelo is a power 3 but opposing defenses have to respect his distance shooting. No one cares if Josh hangs out behind the arc shooting all game because he’ll shoot the Hawks right out of the game. Josh is best suited to be a 6th man on a championship club, a la Lamar Odom. Depending on him to be a reliable SF is asking for trouble.

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
5:47 am

When did the Clippers have more value and buzz than us?

Ken Strickland

December 12th, 2011
5:57 am

It appears we have another fan with a MAN CRUSH on Thabeet. Also, if he is what you consider a real center, then I’d like to know what your definition of a real center is. Except for blocks(.3-.2), JCollins was more productive than he was last season. Thabeet is a joke, and only wishful thinking, or downright foolishness, would make anyone with a basketball IQ think he’s anything more.

In a league that’s desperate for Bigs, there’s a good reason there is a list of available 6′11″ plus centers that can be had for the minimum. We are already 4 deep in potential backup centers(Zaza, Collins, Rolle, Benson), so we don’t need another one just to occupy bench space. We need another PG more than another bench warming center.

There just isn’t anyone out there who’s worthy of us going into the luxury tax to acquire. You only go into luxury tax territory when you can acquire a starting caliber player that can definitely impact your team.

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
6:01 am

Hawks not going to be a player in free agency for another two years when Marvin and Josh get off the books. Also hopefully then we can amnesty Joe, until then its just going through the motions.

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
6:07 am

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/atlanta.htm

terrell

December 12th, 2011
6:24 am

Horford needs to be in the weight room his damn self. lol.

terrell

December 12th, 2011
6:33 am

They must still like their “core”. LMAO.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
6:42 am

AMNESTY ASG
FIRE SUND

Demetrius

December 12th, 2011
7:11 am

“When did the Clippers have more value and buzz than us”

When they drafted Blake Griffin…

terrell

December 12th, 2011
7:43 am

Dude said Thabeet and REAL CENTER in the same sentence. lol

vava74

December 12th, 2011
8:19 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFGMNLiCzHc&feature=related

don’t miss this.

vava74

December 12th, 2011
8:36 am

Clutch stats 2010/11:

For those enamoured with Jamal, he was the 4th guy in clutch time last year:

JJ (very sub-par year, with sub-par numbers), Horford (with great numbers), Smith (excellent numbers) and only then, Jamal (sup-par numbers) and not far behind Bibby (with decent numbers).

As I said, Jamal does most of the damage against second tier teams and second tier rotations and his presence on court in the 4th quarter did not result into significant production.

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
8:47 am

“Asked about acquiring another center, Sund said:”I like our ‘bigs.’ We’ve got so many players that are versatile”

TRANSLATION: “Were not spending cause we dont have any. Deal with it.”

It just amazes me how all 3 major sports teams in Atlanta seem to put out mediocre talent year end and year out. They are like that girlfriend who is good enough to sleep with, but not good enough to commit to.

Its always something that gets you happy about them and then you dont like them. All 3 of these teams have been around for atleast 50 years. THREE teams and what? One World Series.

I still support my teams, but i know not to get to excited about none of them.

darrell starks

December 12th, 2011
8:50 am

Bring Thabeet right now, i don’t what happen to this guy but he can play basketball, i don’t no if coaching have failed him at the next level or desire, bring him in if available, in college he dominated the paint on defense rebonding and block shots, maybe he can rejuvenate his career with change of scenery.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

December 12th, 2011
8:56 am

Get rid of the scrubs and sign Thabeet now, Scrubs Magnum Rolle, Vladimir Radmanovic, Wannamaker.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
9:06 am

WOW!

“He would give us a starting lineup of SG-Billups, PG-Teague, SF-JJ, PF-JSmith, and C-Horford. Our bench would then be MWilliams, TMac, Zaza, Twin, Radmanovic, Hinrich, and Rolle.” -ken strickland-
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Very, Very, very Nice lineup! Formidable for sure.

darrell starks

December 12th, 2011
9:10 am

http://youtu.be/IKW81-xssqM

darrell starks

December 12th, 2011
9:14 am

DEFENSE, DEFENSE, DEFENSE IS THE WAY.

STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, THABEET.

RESERVE PAPE, STACK, TMAC, MARVIN, ZAZA

RESERVE BENSON, COLLINS

STREET CLOTHES WANNAMAKER, VLAD

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

vava74

December 12th, 2011
9:18 am

darrell,

V-Rad has been in the league for ages. Not a really good player, but he has been able to keep himself afloat.

Thabeet is considered BY EVERYONE a major bust. He has been playing bball for only 8/9 years and his SOLE ASSET is the fact that he is 7′3” and a wingspan to go with it.

IF, we signed him, it would have to be for the minimum and we should look at him strictly as a situational shot-blocker and that’s it.

Patrolling the lane in College???? Do you remember Shelden the Landlord Williams? He patrolled and OWNED the lane in college ball.

THAT MEANS ZERO.

Look at Hilton Armstrong? Another good defensive player in college. How that played out?

You need physical and technical skills AND you need desire. Thabeet has been tabbed as lazy and disinterested, which is not the right formula for a guy who is tremendously raw and NOT PARTICULARLY TALENTED.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
9:19 am

Shout Out!

Just wanna’ give some kudos and a really big shout out to MC. That man is on Fiyah!

darrell starks

December 12th, 2011
9:20 am

http://youtu.be/-bky01IJtGs

J from the A

December 12th, 2011
9:33 am

Are you all so enamored with getting a “true*” center, that you all are actually advocating bringing in Thabeet? Thabeet is garbage.

Until Kirk gets back, there is a major void in the Guard rotation. The Hawks #1 priority right now should be to try to get a serviceable PG. Billups would be nice, but let us not kid ourselves: Chances that Billups would come here is pretty slim (though I don’t think quite 0).

J from the A

December 12th, 2011
9:35 am

from previous post
*’true’ center for many of you seems to mean anyone 7ft or taller.

darrell starks

December 12th, 2011
9:36 am

VaVA74 Thabeet is 7′3 AND Hilton is 6′11 there is a big different between the 2, plus only 24years of age, still very young i have seen Thabeet play ball and understand his career have the potential to be speciall, JUST BRING HIM WANT HURT AT ALL, iF YOU CAN BRING IN SCRUBS LIKE WANNAMAKER, MAGNUM, VLAD, why not take a chance on a legit 7′3 center only 24years old.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Trojan

December 12th, 2011
9:46 am

Thabeet is a long shot at best but atleast he is a longshot. Our bench is made up of much worse. The Hawks are never going to be able to compete unless a long shot or two pays off.

What would it hurt for Thabeet to be the 13 player on the roster at the minimum?

vava74

December 12th, 2011
9:47 am

legit 7′3” human being.

Legit C? Heck, what sport have you been following?

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
9:58 am

Clippers and Hornets working on a deal for CP3.

Could the Hawks not come up with a better package than the Clippers (assuming the Clippers are not giving up Griffin, Gordon, or Jordan)?

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 12th, 2011
10:02 am

“It just amazes me how all 3 major sports teams in Atlanta seem to put out mediocre talent year end and year out. They are like that girlfriend who is good enough to sleep with, but not good enough to commit to.”

I love it.

They put a mediocre product out and then get mad at the fans for not supporting. Sund if you don’t upgrade the front court I’m staying at home this year.

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
10:03 am

From ESPN;

The trade as submitted would cost the Clippers guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman and forward Al-Farouq Aminu. It would also include Minnesota’s first-round draft pick in 2012..

The holdup is Hornets want PG Bledsoe in the deal. If the Hornets can get him thrown in, I think it would be a good deal for them, and would definitely help them sell the team. A young All-Star SG in the making (Gordon), a high 1st round pick (Minny will be terrible again), and a $10 mil expiring contract in Kaman.

Jump Shooter

December 12th, 2011
10:12 am

Billups wants to play in L.A.,Boston,Dallas,or Miami. He won’t give effort if Hawks or sucky teams get him.

Jump Shooter

December 12th, 2011
10:15 am

I guees I’m one of the only fans that thinks the Hawks are an average team at best ? JJ,J.Smith,& Horford & Hawks can’t beat the Heat,Celtics,Bulls,Lakers,or Mavericks. Its not the depth either. Its those teams super stars taking over the games whick JJ cannot do.

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
10:22 am

Jump Shooter,

Its also a fact that players just dont want to come to Atlanta. The Hawks are a bad market overall. When i say that, i mean an organization that has been in existence for over 40 years and they continue to flutter about year after year.

So i dont blame a Billups or a Paul or even a hometown guy like Dwight if they didnt want to come here. I know i wouldnt.

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
10:29 am

For all who criticized Sund;
the Hornets are getting a mucho better deal with the Cips.

Mike

December 12th, 2011
10:32 am

Grandad,

I think we can do alittle better than tha Clips deals but we are too scared to get into the Big Bad Tax Land.

CajunStorm

December 12th, 2011
10:44 am

Josh Smith, Teague, Hinrich (expiring $8m) , Zaza, & 1st rd pick for Chris Paul & Emeka Okafor.
ATL starting 5:
PG – Chris Paul
SG – Joe Johnson (rebound year)
SF – Marvin Williams
PF – Al Horford
C – Emeka Okafor

I don’t know if the NBA would do it but the Hawks better have at least offered this. CP3 would make JJ much better & Okafor gives Al the true center (even at 6′10) so he can blossom at the 4. We’d immediately be the 2nd or 3rd best team in the East & right behind the Heat all the way.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 12th, 2011
10:54 am

Mediocre team = mediocre attendance

FIRE SUND

Rufus1

December 12th, 2011
10:55 am

I think the center thing is overstated….

“Josh is best suited to be a 6th man on a championship club, a la Lamar Odom. Depending on him to be a reliable SF is asking for trouble.” – Hmmmmmm

This is the TRUTH about the Hawks and needs to said LOUDER. I am not saying Josh isn’t very important but he doesn’t have the skills to play 3 or the size to play 4. If the Hawks started Twin or Zaza we would not here the complants about size.

We needed Josh more when we were starting a defensively challenged player like Bibby but we now have Teague to cut down on penetration. He also would be a dominate player on the 2nd unit and more effective on the “block” against 2nd units.

We have the players we need to win TITLE, we just have to put the in the best position to win.

PS. Dallas went 5 year between finals appearances and won because of an injury prone big man and a back-up PG…..Wow.

Lebron, Carmelo, Amare, D12, DRose and CP3 have the same number of titles as the Josh, Al, or JJ. I think some of you bloggers want a “STAR” more than you want to win, because some of these trades will make the Hawks losers…..I just want to win and winning is good enough for me.

Rufus1

December 12th, 2011
10:56 am

@CajunStorm

We are the 3rd best team in the east.

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
11:21 am

When I speak of getting a legit Center;
I am speaking of a player who has a specific nind-set.
Ben Wallace or Omeka Okafor are not 7 ftrs yet they
are legit Centers.
In all actuallity, D.Howard, is not a 7 ftr, but he is a
legit Center. [-Howard and Okafor are very close in size-]

This is me speaking – not Al !
Al Horford is not a legit center:
*mind-set *body type * wing-span *stand-reach *stand-vert [two feet]
*meanness [not a criticism] *technical skill set *wgt / strength *butt
**(not to mention he’s only 6-8+ & 245)

My point here is not about Al

There are plenty of 7ftrs that are not legit Centers:
ranging from Dirk (SS) to Bargnani (??)

—Now—

When I say we need a legit Big;
I’m speaking of a legit 7ftr who can be these things:
Long (wing-span), or Big & long, rim defender, goal tender,
intimidator, inside scoring threat (low post moves),
low post defender (low center of gravity) Big Butt,
[someone who can not get pushed around]
do all this w/o having to jump at max effort on ea play;
r e standing reach !

—And—

A Rebounder;
defined as:
one who lives to do one thing – Rebound.
one who eats rebounds, one who is mean, nasty,
ornery, the Harvey Dahl of roundball, this man is not nice,
he is not the face of our franchise,
he is not well liked around the league,
the opponents are more interested in guarding their balls
than any other priority when he is around.
This man does not give a ____ ! He wants the ball !
All others are afraid of him. His teammates are scared of him.
He is a little bit nuts.
He is Oakley + Rodman + Mahorn + Reggie Evans + Truck Robinson
+ Maurice Lucas + Dave Cowens (token white guy)
He’s flat out mean.

—So—

Does this mean I don’t like Josh and Al ?
No, not at all.

We need the two above mentioned [big + Rebounder]
to augment our team.
If ‘n we want to contend !

Dad-gummit, if ol’ Sund didn’t piss me off;
when he said “we like our Bigs”.

Buddy Grizzard

December 12th, 2011
11:21 am

“It appears we have another fan with a MAN CRUSH on Thabeet.”

Probably just superior blogman, aka the troll, stealing ID’s again.

vava74

December 12th, 2011
11:30 am

JJ Barea close to signing with the Wolves.

Ridnour is probably expendable and IMO worth going into luxury territory for him.

Hard nosed, killer shot. He would be an excellent 5th guard for us.

Fundamentals

December 12th, 2011
11:33 am

Please say no to Arenas. If we need anything it’s a quality big.

IMHO Jamal needs to move on. I appreciate his efforts, but it’s time. I’m betting Teague, Joe, Marvin, Josh and Al will love to have his touches. I’m betting Marvin’s numbers will return to where he was prior to Jamal’s arrival. Everyone will improve statistically. Will we miss his offense? Doubtful now that the guys have experience. Will we miss his defense? Absolutely not. I’m one that believes no matter how this shakes out, we’ll improve.

All we need is a servicable big to take the next step.

Buddy Grizzard

December 12th, 2011
11:41 am

“Please say no to Arenas.”

AKA Jamal Crawford 2.0. There is nobody in the league he can guard. But watch if we sign him. He will start at PG.

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
11:50 am

The Mavs added Lamar Odom? Wow!

Look at this lineup:

Point Guard Jason Kidd
Shooting Guard Jason Terry Rodrigue Beaubois Corey Brewer
Rudy Fernandez Dominique Jones
Small Forward Shawn Marion
Power Forward Dirk Nowitzki Ian Mahinmi
Center Brendan Haywood

Didnt they also sign Vince Carter?

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
11:53 am

G’dad,

If I’m the Clippers, I’m trying hard to hold on to Bledsoe. Gordon has the talent to be a perennial all-star when Kobe retires, and Minny’s unprotected 1st round will be a lottery pick in what will be a very deep draft. Bledsoe can be a good backup for CP3.

The irony for the Hornets is they will be in the same situation next offseason if Eric Gordon informs New Orleans that he will not sign his rookie extension. Then what.

vava74

December 12th, 2011
12:04 pm

Gordon is a tad overrated.

People make too much of him, IMO.

J.J.M.

December 12th, 2011
12:13 pm

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2011-2012-atlanta-hawks-season-preview/

Jay Dubu

December 12th, 2011
12:15 pm

MC,

What are the rules for signing a player that has been released via amnesty? Do they receive the min veteran salary?

ole richie

December 12th, 2011
12:17 pm

@stretch the mavs will miss tyson chandlers interior defense a lot but odom will be a good fit for them

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
12:18 pm

The Clippers have more draft picks than the Hawks. That is the problem. Everyone have been stockpiling draft picks, except for the Hawks.

To be honest, I think this is a TERRIBLE deal for the Clippers. As it stands they were going to be holding two lottery draft picks for the deepest draft in recent memories (Maybe Lebron/Wade/Bosh/Melo draft). Paul is one bad fall away from being Brandon Roy. Imagine the Clippers getting Austin Rivers or Curry and another wing prospect, while keeping Gordon! Like I said, bad trade!

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
12:20 pm

@ole richie, im thinking they also know that and that they might still make one more move. They know that the age factor is upon them and Cuban realizes it too.

Dont know who they would be looking at to replace Chandlers toughness, but im pretty sure they will.

Jay Dubu

December 12th, 2011
12:23 pm

This amnesty rule could help the Heat bring in veterans at a very affordable price, and keep them away from cap tax.

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
12:32 pm

Atlanta has spent so much money on their core group of players – Joe Johnson, Josh Smith and Al Horford – that they were forced to fill out their roster with veterans who were willing to sign minimum contracts such as Tracy McGrady, Jerry Stackhouse and Vladimir Radmanovic. The Hawks will need internal improvement from players like Horford and Jeff Teague if they want to compete at a high level. While many other teams in the East have improved in recent months, Atlanta hasn’t added much help at all.

3rd Place, Southeast Division

- Alex Kennedy

Although i disagree with what he is saying, part of me agrees. But the key is having guys that can come off the bench and contribute. Last season, they had guys with not much experience playing but this year, it seems to be different.

They guys they currently have dont have to log 20-20 minutes, but they just need to be put in position to score some points and play a little defense.

typical hawks fan

December 12th, 2011
12:37 pm

Da hawk need too put in some one on one plays for Joe Johnson. Why dont dey eva run dat play?

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
12:39 pm

Ra’mon,

If you’re Blake Griffin, would you rather play with CP3 (all NBA PG), or Eric Gordon (who could develop into an All-star SG)? Who helps your game the most?

CP3 helped the games of Tyson Chandler and David West tremendously. And With CP3, the Clippers have a better chance of convincing Blake Griffin to sign his extension next season.

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
12:39 pm

How does the Orlando GM still have a job? Their payroll is almost $100 mil (including Gilbert’s salary), and they are not good enough to win a championship. And to make it worse, the star player has issues with the GM.

“I’ve talked to a lot of guys and they’ve expressed a lot of interest and would come here,” Howard said. “And I’ve expressed that to the correct people, and none of it’s happened.” Offered the chance to respond, Smith countered that he has consulted with Howard on most, if not all, moves made in recent years. Smith also said that he did acquire some of the players Howard had suggested..

Who’s running the asylum?

t_height

December 12th, 2011
12:41 pm

With Jamal more than likely gone, who is going to be the back up SG. We already don’t have a SF unless McGrady comes out of his injury life and surprise everyone. So basically we have no backup SG, starting SF nor a true Center. Man lets pray that Teague and Josh can become the players that we all know they can be. Maybe if we speak very good of McGrady he will come out a better player.

t_height

December 12th, 2011
12:41 pm

Speaking of McGrady, how is he doing in Camp?

Rod from College Park

December 12th, 2011
12:41 pm

LOL. People still thinking that Marvin will improve with the loss of Jamal. When will you guys learn!!!! First Flip took most of his minutes, then it was Jamal, and you guys actually think TMac won’t take his minutes. The only hope Marvin has is a TMac injury.

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
12:43 pm

Vava,

Gordon is a tad overrated..

In 3 seasons, his career avg is 18, 3 and 3. Last season, he averaged 22, 4 and 3. And he is just going into his 4th year, so there is still room for improvement, especially considering he is only 22.

Will he live up to his potential, I dont know. But I dont think he is overated.

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
12:47 pm

O’Brien, if I was Griffin, I’d rather have Gordon, and the TWO lottery draft picks that will make the team more well rounded and deeper next season, than to have Paul. Paul is a beast no doubt. But in that one situation, I don’t see the trade making sense. Also Griffin is still on his rookie contract. So even if he goes elsewhere and get a contract, you still can match it.

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
12:48 pm

MC, has Josh recovered fully from his knee injury that plagued him all of last season?

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
12:50 pm

Are any of you guys going to the free scrimmage?

KevinM

December 12th, 2011
12:56 pm

Responses to:

“December 12th, 2011
11:33 am
Please say no to Arenas. If we need anything it’s a quality big”

Didn’t we hear how disappoointed D12 was when Arenas was let go? Didn’t we hear that Arenas is going wherever D12 goes? Just a thought…I am not here even thinking Sund has that much creativity in him. See what the Nets are leveraging under their potential Russina presidential hopeful Prokhorov. That just seems bizarre for that to happen and own a NBA franchise.

“Jump Shooter

December 12th, 2011
10:15 am
I guees I’m one of the only fans that thinks the Hawks are an average team at best ?”

JS, I’m not sure you’re reading these blogs….seems like 3/4 or more are not even considering the Hawks past an average team. All of us hope for more, but that one word kills me from being all in: ‘core’

“Rufus1

December 12th, 2011
10:55 am
I think the center thing is overstated”

Rufus, you are more optimistic than I have ever read here. But, remember what Tyson Chandler did last year? The Heat couldn’t match that, even if it took Dirk to be at his best. You won’t see Joe stepping up like Kobe or Paul Pierce for us, and that is why I feel good knowing we have reached our ceiling of growth. LD being the coach doesn’t help much either…..he wants a team with the condiments to do it ‘his way’. We have no chiefs on this roster, just a lot of Indians.

“STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
11:50 am
The Mavs added Lamar Odom? Wow!

Look at this lineup:

Point Guard Jason Kidd
Shooting Guard Jason Terry Rodrigue Beaubois Corey Brewer”

Stretch, correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the highly touted Beaubois slotted to be JKidd’s replacement? That was one reason they could allow Berea to fly the coup without so much of an offer. Cuban is happy as a 1-time champion. Maybe he knows what he’s doing; he does still have Dirk after all. And Odom could be a very good fit there if Khloe stays out of the way.

Finally, I was thinking about MC telling us that there would be no amnesty candidate this year and I responded with, “Well the ASG would only penalize us more because they wouldn’t replace Marvin’s salary with ANYONE!”….well, the more I think about it, the more I see Marvin getting his minutes cut down with our versatile PFs that can play facing the basket and having T-Mac on the bench. Ken S. also thinks Joe looks good at the 3…..so where does that give Marvin minutes?

He is the perfect candidate for amnesty, just like Richard Jefferson or Baron Davis…..it just fits the model here. We need room to bring in a quality backup PG if and when Jeff needs a breather. I wish for Eric Maynor even over Billups. He would push Jeff for minutes as well.

Dream world: Marvin for Maynor

KevinM

December 12th, 2011
12:59 pm

For being in the league over 30 years, doesn’t anyone owe Sund any favors? Someone who can step up and help him during these cap-strapped days?

Geemack

December 12th, 2011
1:00 pm

Billups should not even be an option, Teague and Hinrich are our point guards.

Josh should be the starting SF and Al the PF with the Zaza as the center.

I disagree with Al saying they wore down because of depth against Chicago.

Atlanta is more talented than Chicago, but the Bulls played with more heart and that’s the difference.

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
1:05 pm

GeeMack, Chicago had FIVE high quality bigs! Last year, the Hawks only had three, because Chicago’s bigs were too fast and quick for Collins. Chicago had Noah, Boozer, Gibson, Asik, and K. Thomas against Atlanta’s Josh, Al, Zaza, Collins, and Armstrong. That’s not even close to being as talented.

And don’t forget Kirk was injured the entire series also. So you’re short handed in the back court, and undermanned in the front court.

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
1:06 pm

I’d rather the Hawks amnesty Marvin, and pick up Dalembert AND Billups for his salary slot, than to end up with nothing!

Rufus1

December 12th, 2011
1:07 pm

The Clippers will be shell after that trade….

What would that Hawks have to give up to get CP3 or Worse D12?….Joe, AL, Teague and draft picks, that is too much.

PS. Stern is a master negotiator…. He has proven to the league that the owner has power also. He has basically said to CP3 “stay with the Clippers for 2 years or stay in N.O. and lose 26-40mil next year”… And he is getting a better deal….Wow.

Teach them how do to business Stern.

Rufus1

December 12th, 2011
1:13 pm

@Ra’mon

Boozer and Gibson are basically Josh and Marvin in terms of size. In the past Josh has eaten Boozer’s lunch…I think Boozer was 9pts below his average against Josh.

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
1:16 pm

Rufus, you’re correct, but when you take Josh or Al out of the game over a 6 game series, they wear down! Any two guys would do that without a bench behind them. When Boozer go off the court, and the bring in FRESH BODIES who are athletic rebounders and defensive players, what can Josh or Al do when they’re dog tired?

vava74

December 12th, 2011
1:19 pm

OB,

Gordon is too small and his defense is – in general – subpar, with size being a major factor.

JJ can post and back him into his mother’s place.

vava74

December 12th, 2011
1:23 pm

It is true that we have a lot of money stacked up in a few players, but apart from Marvin, ALL are very good to excellent players.

What we lack is quality coaching to maximise the talent we have. Our top 3 players are not a “big 3″ but they are top rate.

We need Al to be back to what he was a few years ago PLUS keeping his outside shot (over C’s who stay in the lane) because everyone knows that this will not happen against PFs.

SteveW

December 12th, 2011
1:25 pm

Anyone for a S and T for Ridnour from the ‘Wolves – involving Jamal? Maybe Sund is working on it. TJ Ford is gone – Sebastian Telfair is gone, Acie’s gone overseas. Look’s like Ronnie Price at best if we don’t get creative, or sign Arenas or Billups.

Or maybe Sy and Wannamaker who’s a combo G until Hinrich is healthy, with some TMac thrown in behind Teague.

I like a Toney Douglas S and T with the Knicks also, even though getting the salaries to work is a bummer.

Lamar Odom – Took less to return to the Lakers a couple of years ago – loyalty huh?

Hawks note: LD interviewed different – much better, much happier, much more at peace. Maybe the young G hatred is fading as he gives up hope for his comeback or something.

Remember, LD wouldn’t play Teague or JC2 last season. We’d be up or down either side of 15, less than 3 minutes to play, still wouldn’t give JC2 burn. That’s why Sund traded him, the Gearon Jr. hired Coach wasn’t going to play him until his Rook’ contract expired anyway. May as well get somebody that your Owners Coach will at least consider playing.

But the LD interview gave me some hope. Looks and sounds more at peace, and more confident.

And I have always admired Josh’s on court Coach personae. The guy is a student of the game. He just doesn’t control himself many times, but he does know what needs to be done.

Glad he lost 30lbs, unless he was turning into Karl Malone, he was a knee injury waiting to happen – to heavy, but can sky.

Remember when he saved us in that Orlando game – LD trying to let Horford close out the game on Howard, but Dwight was killing Al and Josh, allowing Orlando back in the game. Josh yells as he’s running down court with under 2 minutes to play “He’s to tall!!”. LD promptly, and wisely I might add, reinserts Collins, and we win the game.

Josh knows basketball, he just doesn’t quite know himself.

doc

December 12th, 2011
1:27 pm

grandad not sure what you are referring to and assume it is stern you speak and not sund. the point is he shouldnt have that kind of power to manipulate players and organizations but it does demonstrate “the pause” was not about either. the problem is it was a three way deal and yhe rockets got screwed too and say it set them back three years, of course not publicly because he wizzard of nba would only use it against them in the future the way he is dealing with the basg hat made him look bad over and over.

gdad overall a very narrow view and if so stern and the hornets got lucky the mavs and clips maybe
and the lakers and rockets didnt.

personally, i dont like stern getting into what makes basketball better as he screwed the suns one year and in a similar circumstance looked the other way in the boston series with atl when he could have tossed a few but didnt. he has also demanded a do over for the heat with shaq and dwade but not the hawks against queen. finally, didnt he throw zaza for less than what the c’s did in the playoffs against us? very uneven czar my friend. but go ahead and give him cred as though he deserves it.

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
1:31 pm

And this is the kinda tweets that refer to the Hawks:

Micah Hart: Atlanta using the main court at the #HighlightFactory for Day 4 of #hawkscamp http://t.co/K147Cn5F about 1 hour ago

WOW! LOL!!!

Greg

December 12th, 2011
1:33 pm

<<>>

Hinrich is going to be out until February at-best, based on the reports. And moreover, he’s only under contract for this season, so even if he’s healthy the rest of the way, he’s only going to end up being available for ~50% of the regular season.

We’re going to have a void in that roster spot, and we’re seemingly going to have a void where Crawford played… so, regardless, there will be ample minutes for Chauncey on this team if he chooses to come here… that is, if he gets the chance to choose since there are rumblings that CHA might be claiming him in spite of his warnings.

<<>>

That’s not how it works, my friend. Amnestying Marvin does nothing to get you to a place where you can get Dalembert… he just doesn’t make enough $ to get us under the cap enough… and in fact, our MLE would get reduced from $5 mil to 2.5 mil if we did that, so we’d have even less of a shot.

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
1:33 pm

Vava,

I think you’re being too hard on Gordon. He has only been in the league 3 years, and was coached by Mike Dunleavy.

JJ is 6’7”, 240 lbs. He can back and post almost every other SG in the league, so that’s not saying much. Plus JJ is a grizzled veteran, so who knows how JJ’s game looked his first 3 years in the league (he was a bench player).

I assume you’d prefer Gordon over Jamal though :Smile:

Greg

December 12th, 2011
1:34 pm

OOOPS….

that first response was for GEEMACK…

and the second, for RA’MON

=======================================================================

SteveW

December 12th, 2011
1:34 pm

I’m almost at the point of saying sign Ronnie Price, if he’s still around, and Alex Ajinca or Fesenko, and call it a day.

And I hate to agree with Sund, but how can you not like our Bigs? Depending on you definition of Bigs, you’ve got:

A 2x All Star at C

A Potential All Star, and a 2nd place DPOY guy at PF

One’s 26, and the other is 25

You’ve got one of the best back up C’s in the League in ZaZa. He’s only 27 or something like that.

You’ve got the Dwight stopper Collins, who’s also in shape, and one of the best body on body defenders in the game.

And can Rolle and Kito be any worse than Josh Powell and Etan Thomas? – though I felt LD never gave Etan a fair chance. I thought Etan was worth a shot against those Chicago Bigs.

I wouldn’t mind another Big Man or 2, but I like the one’s we got. Maybe I’m missing something? We don’t have Tyson Chandler or anything, but the one’s we have are pretty good.

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
1:34 pm

Ra’mon,

CP3 will do more for Griffin’s game imo. Imagine all the alley-oops Blake should be getting? As for the lottery picks, Clippers would only give up one, so they still have their own pick. And can you really rely on lottery picks to not only develop, but also develop quickly?

Al Farouq Aminu was drafted 8th by the Clippers. He is still unproven at this time. So why would Blake Griffin think the Clippers GM would find 2 solid players with their lottery picks? And as much as I like Eric Gordon, He is not a perennial all-star as yet.

And CP3 should help DeAndre Jordan too (assuming the Clipps match his offer), so the team will be better.

doc

December 12th, 2011
1:36 pm

with sund’s big man history, it is best he stay out of any discussions on who is a good big. one only jas to look at his draft picks as to his ability to size up bigs for future rewards. he and bk must have gone to the same gm school as much as they ignore point guards and bigs. got news, versatility gets you into the second round if you are lucky and never further.

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
1:38 pm

Steve W,

Hawks will not do any SNT, because that will put them into luxury tax territory. Any other signings will be vet min players (imo).

c'mon man

December 12th, 2011
1:43 pm

Offer up Joe to anyone willing with decent return.. if you think Joe’s contract make u sick now.. wait a few years.. trade jamal and kirk… QUICK or we will get nothing back for them. oh and get rid of marvin.

SteveW

December 12th, 2011
1:44 pm

I hope the Clippers don’t do that trade – it’s robbing the Clippers. Gordon and Aminu are enough for Paul, too much if he doesn’t agree to sign. I’d keep my guys and try to become the Grizzlies if they don’t take that if I’m the Clips.

And I have been predicting the Grizzlies and the Thunder were the two teams to take down the Lakers in the West since before last season. Got made fun of alot for backing the Griz – but their roster just kept getting more and more talented. – I did kinda underestimated the Mavs I guess however.

And the Hawks can be a team to challenge the Heat, depends on how we grow this team. Chicago also, and maybe Philly after that. I’m not sold on a fat ‘Melo (they say he’s in terrible shape), an Amare you can’t insure his contract because of his knees, with a Coach who plays Amare too much, and Chandler to challenge the Heat, even though I’d love to see it.

ATL has the talent – we’ll see if we have the Coaching to make some noise.

Getting back to the CP3/Clips trade, I hear the Clips are just asking CP3 to exercise his 2012/13 player option. I still only go Gordon and Aminu. Maybe make them give me a pick for Kaman if they want him.

The League is robbing the Clippers

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
1:44 pm

The Smelly Joint!

Who would have thunk the Clippers would make aa super star’s short list before, the ATL Hawks a few years ago?

Billups wouldn’t even de-plane a corporate jet at Hartsfield, as, IF Sund could negotiate that deal.

Here’s my point: the Hawks have smelled up the joint so badly in the playoffs, to the point where we can’t even get a super star in a FA trade market to even consider playing here. Besides the ASKG, no one else likes our “core”.

John Schurholtz said it best when he was the GM of the pennant winning 90’s Braves:

“A successful stock broker, NEVER falls in love with his stocks.’ Translation: No one is ever untouchable in a trade market.

Astro Joe

December 12th, 2011
1:46 pm

At some pojnt, you have to recognize that the issue isn’t that Sund needs us to offer up trade ideas or potential players to sign, but that Sund has boss’ who give him things like a budget and other guidelines that are what he ultimately must use to shape his decisions. Can Sund construct a S&T for Jamal that would add needed talent/skills to the Hawks? Of course he can. Does he have permission to do so? I think MC has suggested that he does not. If you sit up there daydreaming about buying a 60″ HD TV knowing that you have a $200 budget, then what the devil are you doing spending time thinking about 60-inch TVs? If you have a “spend less than the luxury tax” budget, then a bunch of these proposed trades/signings are pointless.

Want to trade Jamal? Find a team that has salary cap space and can give us back a draft pick.

SteveW

December 12th, 2011
1:48 pm

OB – Yea, your probably right. Well Ronnie Price is still available. So is Earl Boykins. So is Nate Robinson maybe.

SteveW

December 12th, 2011
1:51 pm

Well a PG position of Teague, Sy, Wanamaker, and TMac may not be too bad until Hinrich comes back.

Maybe another PG will get cut that is decent, that will come to the ATL.

Trojan

December 12th, 2011
1:53 pm

Astro Joe: The only thing wrong with your budget explanation is that Sund knew in advance that by overpaying for JJ, he would have a $200 TV budget. That is the point. If we are simply a 2nd level team with a strict budget, you should not overpay for the easiest to replace position in basketball.

Thus we are stuck with scrubs until the whole thing is blown up again.

SteveW

December 12th, 2011
1:53 pm

If Stack is really OK, maybe playing TMac behind Teague some, Stack behind JJ, then TMac behind Marvin also wouldn’t be a terrible rotation. Alot depends on Stack.

SteveW

December 12th, 2011
1:55 pm

And Kito’s whole game is basically a skinny shot blocker. At Oakland, he looked really awkward offensively to me. But he could wreak so much havoc with his length and quickness, that he really willed Oakland to be much better than they were. Oakland beat some good teams.

c'mon man

December 12th, 2011
1:56 pm

by the way center for cheap
http://www.videosurf.com/evideo/2_b9D2PQdRPiw

Fundamentals

December 12th, 2011
1:57 pm

The Orlando situation almost makes Sund look like he’s doing some good. Amnesty can’t even solve their problems.

Rufus1

December 12th, 2011
1:59 pm

@Ra’mon

“over a 6 game series, they wear down! Any two guys would do that without a bench behind them.”-Ra’mon- Agree

It is LD Job to develop a bench and roles for his bench players. The Bulls players know who they are and what they supposed to do….They defend and rebound all of DRose’s missed shots. The each have an identity and they stick to that role.

The Hawks have an identity crisis and I blame that on the coach. LD has to understand his team limits and strengths and build a team around them. ASG isn’t going to spend into the Lux Tax, so any coach that takes this jobs has to develop his bench….By giving players time and a defined role. We don’t have a “Super Star” but we have good talent and it is LD job to make it work.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
2:00 pm

Word on The Street!

Ryan Stewart just said this on 790 The Zone, “Word on the street is the Hawks are breaking it’s back right now to get Dwight Howard.”

Anybody hearing any rumors today. Doug Stewart just said , “the whole world is mad at Stern and, Stern should be fired!”

Kobe just said, “it doesn’t make any sense being worried about a Reality TV Show, (re: Lamar?). I don’t see Mark Cuban filing any complaints now?, (re: getting Lamar?).”

Stern has poked into a hornt’s nest – hasn’t he? Perhaps, Stern needs to explain what a basket ball related decison really mean?

Hey fellas, IF Sund is going in hard for Dwight today, who is he offering? (sans Josh). More importantly, would the Hawks do it even IF Dwight refuses to sign an extension. Without an extension, Dwight does not get a max deal and walks away from 30M +/- dollars – right? Would he be an UFA next season.

Astro Joe

December 12th, 2011
2:02 pm

Trojan, consider that Sund paid Joe in the summer of 2010 and the ASG entered into an agreement with Meruelo in the summer of 2011. Maybe they told Sund to spend on Joe knowing that in 1-2 years, it would be someone else’s problem.

Fundamentals

December 12th, 2011
2:02 pm

I’d like to see us depend on Teague and really use him this year. He’s “proven” himself by rising up in the playoffs. Signing a legit PG to compete now will just derail his confidence. We have enough experience on this team to get by in the case that Teague gets hurt. He needs this opportunity to show he’s ready. That’s why I keep hinting at a big prospect.

Jamal for a decent draft pick next year would definitely fit the ASG bill and give us something to dream about. We could start checking out the forums for top of the line TV’s coming in 2012 instead of what’s already on display, knowing full well they might actually be obtainable.

Fundamentals

December 12th, 2011
2:04 pm

AMEN to delegating roles and holding players accountable to fullfilling them. Playing your role and giving 100%= championships. The stats based Hawks model just doesn’t cut it, and it never will.

Astro Joe

December 12th, 2011
2:05 pm

Mary, Doug is a huge Lakers fan. Stern doesn’t care how many articles are written about him and the CP3 deal… the owners pay his salary. (Kind of like a head coach doesn’t need to sweat about what fans say as long as the GM/owners are happy).

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
2:06 pm

O’brien, I know the Clippers will be better now! I just don’t think they will be better in three seasons. And if CP3 is there they become a 7th seeded playoff team. The problem with that is they no longer have a lottery pick! To me, a top 5 pick is better than making the playoffs as an 7 or 8th seed. The only way to get a true superstar these days is to draft them. Think about the Sonics. The Sonics traded their best 2 players, and built through the draft. I may be wrong, but with the exception of Perkins and Collins, I think all of their top 5-6 players, are players they drafted or traded for on draft day.

Fundamentals

December 12th, 2011
2:07 pm

It’ll be interesting to see how the Lakers perform given this slap in the face. Seems everything is focussed on New York of late and New Jersey’s move to Brooklyn.

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
2:09 pm

Rufus, I understand what you’re saying. But you can’t make banana pudding, without bananas or pudding. You can’t have a talented deep bench, without talent or without depth.

Astro Joe

December 12th, 2011
2:12 pm

Will the NBA allow one of their owners to be the president of another country? If I’m Deron (or Dwight), I have to think twice about joining the Nets if they potentially will be swicthing owners (if dude wins the Russian election).

BTW, can you imagine a POTUS owning a sports team in another country while he is in office? I can’t.

Maybe

December 12th, 2011
2:14 pm

If you youtube Pape Sy and gravelines dukq etc…. you can see him putting in work overseas. Let the kid play PG and chill out smh. He’s got handle, defense he’s 6′7 225 attacks the rack and can draw tons of fouls. He doesn’t even have to run PG if hes on the floor with T-mac who I would say immedately becomes the Hawk with the best B-Ball IQ since he signed. Jamal gave up just as many points as he scored, and that’s when he wasn’t ice cold (in which he gave up double and we likely loose).

Starters : Teague, Joe, Josh, AL, Collins

Bench: Sy, T-Mac, Marvin, Radmonovic, Zaza

Bang, Bang….OR

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Starters: Teague, Joe, Josh, Radmonovic, Horford (With Teague, Horf and Smoove doing work inside and Rad/Joe outside)

Bench: Kirk(IR), Sy, T-Mac, Marvin, Zaza

Either way its a solid 10 man rotation with tons of spacing and improved defense. The Rotation breaks down and turns into CRAP when YOU TRY TO START MARVINA “DUCK BUTTY” WILLIAMS. PLZ LEAVE HIM ON THE BENCH. HE’S EARNED IT!

If T-Mac is telling the truth, and he’s “going to be a completely different player” then watch out. Come playoffs. Him, Joe, and Teague are going to do WORK on the peremeter. y’all pray for his heath because in my eyes, our season can turn from ho-hum into dayyyum!! based on where T-mac is.

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
2:15 pm

AJ, knowing Stern, he loves the idea. He probably think if he becomes the president of Russia, that will open up the avenue for the Nets to play in Russia sometimes, rather exhibition or whatever.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
2:17 pm

Analaphor!

Go head Ra’mon with your banana pudding analogy! We like picture words – they’re fun to see.

Any one hearing any Dwight to ATL rumors? I’ve heard some pro players don’t like playing at home, because the relatives and friends always begging with hands out stretched. Too many distractions. I just wonder if Dwight would consider an extension here w/o Josh? He may.

vava74

December 12th, 2011
2:20 pm

As news put Howard “closer” to the Hawks, Howard says:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7345415/dwight-howard-rethinking-demand-trade-orlando-magic

Astro Joe

December 12th, 2011
2:22 pm

From Billups’ agent:

“Chauncey’s pissed off, but he’s not pissed at the Knicks,” Miller said. “He understands it’s a business and they have to do what they have to do.

“But he’s in a very frustrated state of mind because this has happened to him twice now. The way the league is structured, if you’re a hot name and teams have interest in you, you have the ability to manufacture mass hysteria, and guys like Chauncey who put in years of high-level leadership, production, and service get lost.”

@pcnitai

December 12th, 2011
2:23 pm

Jamal still hasnt signed, you think maybe his value is falling and maybe we can still keep him for a MLE? Then again I dont know if he even wants to play here anymore.

kwooden

December 12th, 2011
2:24 pm

I’m optimistic about this team because the guys that need to improve for this team are Horford and Teague. If those guys step-up their games, we’ll have a pretty tough team to deal with. LD seems to only like playing 8-9 guys so the only bench guys we really need to care about are Zaza, Tracy, Vladi and ??. I would like the ?? guy to be Sy, but we need them be Benson or Rolle. Zaza needs a shot blocker/defender on the floor with him, so he can be a more effective rebounder. Hopefully Benson or Rolle can fill that void. I think Sy brings the speed element to the table, but knowing LD he’s going to try and play Tracy a lot at the PG.

If the HAWKS run there offensive through Smoove and Horford in the post that should free up JJ more and give Marvin more open shots. Hopefully Marvin is knocking them down. With Jeff at the point, this team will play a lot faster and that should help by also. If Zaza and Benson/Rolle can bring some quality minutes off the bench then, Smoove and Al can be fresh for a complete game. If that happens we’re a very good team, maybe good enough to consistently compete with Miami and Chicago.

GO HAWKS!

Stagger

December 12th, 2011
2:26 pm

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZ

@pcnitai

December 12th, 2011
2:29 pm

I still dont understand why the Hawks arent trying for CP3. We have enough assets to give to New Orleans without destroying the team; Teague, Crawford, Hinrich, and Marvin plus cash or draft picks. Then we can sign Billups or Arenas to backup CP3.

Ra'mon

December 12th, 2011
2:29 pm

Vava, where have you read about Hawks being closer to D12?

Rufus1

December 12th, 2011
2:33 pm

T-Mac Back-up PG…

T-Mac can be the Back-up PG and have Sy defend the quick guard….

I want to sign 7ft Jason Smith…Young, athletic and BIG.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jason_smith/

ryan

December 12th, 2011
2:33 pm

Sweat if we get Howard this is greatest Christmas present of all time i wonder if Arenas is involved and we could Gilbert to seal the deal .

Geemack

December 12th, 2011
2:36 pm

@Greg…Nice name by the way.

Teague is the starter here, and we only need someone to give him 10 to 12 min of rest per a night.

Billups is still a starter on a championship team.

With JJ, Hinrich, Teague and McGrady we have more than enough guards that can handle the ball.

This will be a breakout year for Teague move Josh to SF, and Al to PF and watch the team fly.

If we keep that same format as Woody, we should expect the same result.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
2:38 pm

Dead in the Water!

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Hornets-Clippers deal for Chris Paul has died, league source tells Y! Sports. Twitter

Los Angeles Clippers, New Orleans Hornets, Trade, Chris Paul | share

Adrian Wojnarowski: Deal is dead, “for now, anyway,” source tells Y!. Could still be restructured again, but Clippers resisting steep asking price for Paul. Twitter
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Vava74 thanks for the link. Yeah!

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
2:41 pm

All I know its going to be two years before we can do anything. Hopefully this entails a new owner and amnestying Johnson. His contract can hamstring this franchise for a long time.

Maybe

December 12th, 2011
2:42 pm

CP3? what has he won? He has a bum knee also? You’re gonna give up half the team for him? We already have a PG on our roster who went to Wake forest. He’s taller, plays better D (not just steals), and has tons of upside. Did you not see him in the playoffs? 16ppg against the bulls ring a bell? Ho much did CP3 average against the lakers? 22ppg? And thats his ceiling? and he has a bum knee?

He cost 5X as much and can’t provide 5X the production. We would LOOOSE A LOT of ball games. It would just be CP3 and Horford….LOL.

Teague, Hinrich, and Sy is just fine Oh! and we get to keep Joe, Josh, AL T-Mac etc. etc. smh…. #NotWorthIt

The Flakers have KB24 so they can do that but they were still commiting suicide with only Bynum (NOT Tyson Chandler) in the FrontCourt. AND they did it again last night by giving up Lamar Odum for a pack of skittles,

Geemack

December 12th, 2011
2:44 pm

@pcnitai
December 12th, 2011
2:29 pm

I still dont understand why the Hawks arent trying for CP3. We have enough assets to give to New Orleans without destroying the team; Teague, Crawford, Hinrich, and Marvin plus cash or draft picks. Then we can sign Billups or Arenas to backup CP3.

You can’t be serious?
Teague, Crawford, Hinrich, and Marvin plus cash or draft picks?

They were getting Kevin Martin 23ppg, Louis Scola 18ppg 8rebs, LO 14ppg 10rebs, draft picks and a pg and Stern wouldn’t let it go. That trade would have made them a playoff team in the west.

Maybe

December 12th, 2011
2:45 pm

Two NBA Titles and three NBA finals apperances in the last four years and you just give up a key member of your frontcourt Smh!!!!

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
2:45 pm

Wait Radmonovic is getting 6M per? WTF

vava74

December 12th, 2011
2:46 pm

Ra’mon,

drmaryB vented a rumour which is on the radio.

I countered with a piece of news which states that Howard no longer wants to leave ORL.

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
2:50 pm

I wonder how Charle Garcia is doing.

vava74

December 12th, 2011
2:51 pm

Clippers – Hornets deal dead.

Geemack

December 12th, 2011
2:52 pm

The Hawks biggest problem is they won’t commit to defense.

Josh, Teague Al , & Joe all play well on the defense, but the team sucks as a defensive unit.

Here are the teams that will be ahead of the Hawks this year Boston, Miami, Chicago and New York.

This will be another year fighting for the 4th, or 5th seed, and a 2nd round playoff exit.

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2011
2:56 pm

Nothing has changed. The Hawks are still garbage.

PG Teague
SG Johnson
SF Smith
PF Al Horford
C Nothing

Guys playing out of position like a rec league team until we get a C.

Astro Joe

December 12th, 2011
2:56 pm

hawks_4_life, I think that was Vlad’s contract last season. I assume that he is making less than $2M this year.

http://www.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/warriors.jsp

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
2:57 pm

Geemck,

Thats the hawks biggest on court problem, the biggest overall problem is in the front office. Nope not Sund he is just the puppet on the strings, its the owners. Thats why I say our off-season was pretty much over when the sale went through. Dont expect a big splash.

@pcnitai

December 12th, 2011
2:57 pm

Paying luxery tax to sign valuable players = deep team = deep playoff run = more $ for ASG (so it basically pays itself) = Happy Fan Base = more season ticket holders/increased attendance next season

Am I the only one that sees logic in this? Ovbiously the ASG doesnt…

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
2:59 pm

Rumor Mill!

vava74, I acttually “quoted” a rumor heard on the radio. No venting here. I couldn’t find any links, but the one you provided pretty much squashed that.

I wonder what happened with the Dwight to LA rumor? Is Stern blocking everything now or does LA not have any real value assets?

I still doubt is Dwight signs an extension there or anywhere. Looks like he might pull a “Prime Time” Deion Sanders hoax on the Magic?

I would not trust his words without a signed contract, iF I were Orlando. Notice that article doesn’t say he mwt with Otis Smith but Vander Wie instead? Wassup with that? Sounds like double talk to me.

Wonder why we NEVER see any Hawks rumors until after an agreement is reached?

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
2:59 pm

Astro,

You’re probably (and I hope you are) right, I was looking at salaries on espn and almost passed out.

Gwinnett Fred

December 12th, 2011
2:59 pm

Very depressing that Benson has had 7 months to hit the weight room and bulk up a little and has failed to do so.

That period, now in the rear view mirror, was easily the best opportunity to do so and he showed no initiative to get anything done. Thus, I have written him off for the season.

It is nice, however, to see so many entries on this blog – a little bit of interest in the team can’t hurt. Now if only the ASG can find a REAL buyer. Does the Jersey billionaire owner have a brother? Nothing like a little sibling rivalry!

@pcnitai

December 12th, 2011
3:04 pm

@Geemack

“Here are the teams that will be ahead of the Hawks this year Boston, Miami, Chicago, and New York.”

I really dont see Boston or New York ahead of the Hawks this year. NY has no stability at the PG and no defense at all besides Chandler and the word “defense” isnt even in their coach’s dictionary. Boston peaked a few years back and now their older and smaller.

vava74

December 12th, 2011
3:04 pm

Geemack,

NYK’s roster is filled with massive holes.

They just signed Bibby to back up Toney. I think this is pretty telling.

‘Melo doesn’t play D and demands the rock.

Amar’e surprised me last year but I always have my doubts on him withstanding the punishment of this concentrated season.

Chandler? Ditto.

And who else do they have?

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
3:07 pm

Dang CP3 might as well hitchike to LA cause thats the only way he is gonna get there! LOL!

vava74

December 12th, 2011
3:08 pm

V-Rad earning 6 million a year (before this year) and people think Zaza’s contract is bad.

Zaza’s contract is pretty reasonable and in line with what he CAN produce, not exactly in line with what he is ALLOWED to produce.

Zaza needs a steady diet of minutes (without meaning a substantial jump). When gets it, he produces to the level of his contract.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
3:09 pm

FYI!

For those not familiar with the Falcons and Deion Sanders. He promised them he would re-sign and demanded they not use their “franchise tag” on him.

After the season, he bolted Atlanta and went on a world tour to all the other teams and signed with the 49ers. He pulled one hella HOAX on Rankin Smith!

Dwight could do the same. Until he signs a contract, he can change his mind. Aye Dwight! Put your pen where your mouth is!

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
3:11 pm

DHoward: “If you’re willing to change and you’re willing to do what it takes to win, then, you know, you’ve got me.”.

That eliminates the ATL Hawks.

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
3:12 pm

“If I get claimed by a team I don’t want to play for, I would absolutely consider retirement,” Billups said Sunday. “The game’s been really good to me, and I don’t want anyone to feel bad for me. I’ve made a lot of money, and I’ve saved most of it. I don’t need the money now. I want to be able to play for something, a championship, and I want to be able to have my own destiny in my hands. If I don’t, then retiring might have to be a decision I make.”

The words of Chauncy Billups. And the Bobcats are after him? They, along with any other mid or back of the pack teams should just stop thinking about him now.

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
3:12 pm

Vava,

I agree, even though Zaza’s game has holes, he brings it every night. We have people that’s more talented but lacks the motor of him. I hope he stays on this team forever even if its just cause of the headbutt that rocked the world years ago. Another example of playing with heart.

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
3:13 pm

Clips-Hornets deal is off. Supposedly, Hornets asking price is too high.

Marc Stein: Sources: Clippers were asked to part w/top five trade assets for CP3: Gordon, Minnesota pick, Kaman’s expiring contract, Aminu and Bledsoe:twitter.

CP3 must be very frustrated.

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
3:15 pm

Billups might end up in south beach, FREAKING GREAT.

marcus

December 12th, 2011
3:18 pm

joe johnson tweeted that the team is following jeff teague’s “lead”….
what the hell is this all about, jj gets paid more than any other player in the league and he needs to follow the lead of a 3 year player. the hawks will never “turn the corner” as long as they keep paying shills like johnson. they should have never signed him and gave the money to crawford when they had a chance.

vava74

December 12th, 2011
3:18 pm

Now, Stern will bid on Billups.

This way, Billups will retire, instead of joining the Heat.

And that, my friends, would be master stroke!

vava74

December 12th, 2011
3:20 pm

marcus,

You should be happy. Teague has the IT factor and will flourish this year.

No one in ATL will think about CP3 after this season.

vava74

December 12th, 2011
3:21 pm

And the fact that a veteran guy, who is earning 16 million identifies this AND is cool about it should be perceived as a positive characteristic on JJ, not a negative one.

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
3:24 pm

In a way, i would be so glad when the CP3 and Dwight Howard issues are solved so the rest of the teams can go ahead and focus on getting their rosters filled out.

Astro Joe

December 12th, 2011
3:25 pm

OB, Dwight has had a fair amount of talent with him over the past 3 years or so. He almost sounds like KG did when he was the lone wolf in Minnesota. Dwight has probably had at least 2 or 3 of the following players by his side over the past few years: Vince Carter, Jameer, JRich, Turkaglu, Rashard Lewis (before he fell off the cliff) Bass, Gortat, Ryan Anderson, Bass, Pietrus and Reddick.

Excuse me if I’m not buying any notion that Dwight has been playing with a bunch of stiffs.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
3:35 pm

Players Talk!

Basket4Us: Agusti Gasol, Pau’s father, on @PlayBasketSER: “The relationship with Kobe looks good, but things are not always the way they look.” Twitter

Los Angeles Lakers, Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol
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I imagine Kobe is an impossibe guy to play and get along with. Players gossip more than women do, how much do yawl wanna’ bet that deep down – nobody likes this donkey butt named Kobe? Selfish, arrogant, terse and curt are just a few words that come to mind.

You see Lamar pushed for that trade to Dallas, when his trade for CP3 quelled.

I’m just happy with Teague and am ready to see him roll now. Let’s Go!

EmirS.

December 12th, 2011
3:42 pm

“I disagree with Al saying they wore down because of depth against Chicago.”

Don’t underestimate Chicago’s depth. It was one of the contributing reasons we lost that series.

STARTERS

Noah
Boozer
Deng
Bogans
Rose

BENCH

Korver
Thomas
Gibson
Brewer
Butler
Asik
Watson

It may be true that the Bull’s are lacking offensive weapons. But when you have a bench that not only gives your starters plenty of breathing room, but also play defense and have the “ability” to score, then I you have depth. Now all of those players we’re given substantial minutes and all had a part in the Bulls series win over the hawks.

Now when you look at the Hawks depth from that series, we we’re lacking:

STARTERS

Horford
Smith
Williams
Johnson
Teague

BENCH

Zaza
Collins
Crawford
Wilkins

It may be true that the Hawks have more talent then the Bulls…but only as far as starting line ups go. When you compare the benches its all Bulls. What the Bull’s are missing is another scoring threat. Something they did not have last season. If they are to acquire someone of that caliber while not making a significant change to their overall roster, then they are Finals bound IMO.

As for the Hawks….WE NEED DEPTH. I don’t mind losing Jamal. He was great. I think T-Mac will be a huge contributor this season for us. What we should have done is focused on resigning Wilkins only for his defense. I don’t mind Rad-Man either. Him and T-Mac can help replace Jamal’s scoring while improving in areas that Jamal was weak in (ex. defense and court vision). We will miss Hinrich ALOT. We are a better team with Hinrich. For now, we are only a few defensive pieces away from making it out of the 2nd round.

I’m not on the Benson bandwagon either. As someone mentioned, the guy had 7 months to bulk up a tiny bit and he failed to do so. I believe that speaks enough.

Astro Joe

December 12th, 2011
3:44 pm

Selfish, arrogant, terse and curt are just a few words that come to mind.

My guess is they complain when they don’t win a ring, but a few years ago, Gasol looked pretty happy with all of that confetti in his hair.

Oh, and those same words likely described MJ too.

O'Brien

December 12th, 2011
3:56 pm

Joe Johnson on Teague: “When he turns that corner the Atlanta #Hawks are going to turn the corner.” .

vava,

I like Teague, I think he has alot of potential, and I think LD did not handle him correctly last year. But I dont think JJ is right, putting it all on Teague for the Hawks to turn the corner.

How about getting Al to man-up, and handle his business in the post? How about getting Josh to stop hoisting3’s, and give the ball up on the break? How about JJ playing better?

There are too many issues for me to agree with JJ, that when Teague turns the corner, the Hawks turn the corner. Teague appeared to have turned the corner against the Bulls, but it wasn’t enough when other guys didnt do their part.

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
3:56 pm

Marc Stein: One of “changes” Dwight Howard wants is signing of Chauncey. If DH12 stays, sources say he’ll urge Billups to spurn Heat and “anchor” Magic Twitter

KevinM

December 12th, 2011
4:13 pm

If Orl gets a shot at Billups without us intervening or showing interest, I would say Management has little interest in moving us towards an elite level. Would anyone here be shocked if Sund passes?

ryan

December 12th, 2011
4:19 pm

That would be a bad PR move on Sund part if does not try lure Billups here i thought the Heat was over the cap .

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
4:20 pm

KevinM,

Why should we? Teague is set to be the starter, no need shelling out cash for Billups. Not like he is going to take a backup role here in Atlanta. Teague is pretty much the unknown variable that can improve this team right now because free agency is over for us. I would be shocked if we did anything else.

Rufus1

December 12th, 2011
4:21 pm

That is the best news I could hear….JJ is follwing Teague’s lead.

This is a PG league and JJ watched his effect on the team against the Bulls. Great PG’s change the dynamic of a team. Teague will turn the Hawks from a passive jump shooting team to an attack the rim team. The ability to break down the defense creates open shots, foul trouble and offensive rebounds.

If John Wall was on our team, the offense would go thru him…So why not Teague. In the NBA your offense can only be run thru 2 players, a PG and a low post player…. Even in LA the starts with Bynum or Gasol. A PG like Teague is the only thing we haven’t had(and a dominant Big) on this team and I am very excited to see the results.

If Teague is as good as John Wall, would that change your opinion of this team?

c'mon man

December 12th, 2011
4:26 pm

http://www.videosurf.com/evideo/2_b9D2PQdRPiw Atlanta should get this guy and fill up the front court…

KevinM

December 12th, 2011
4:32 pm

Hawks_4_life, Billups may start out in a reserve role, but based on what I have seen from LD, I’d say Billups get the nod and Teague ends up as our instant energy off the bench. If you have a guy with big game experience, and your goal is to succeed at that level, then Billups is a good fit for almost every team. The Mavs made it work with Kidd and Berea. No reason why this would hurt the Hawks…..right now, we do not have a contingency plan with Teague.
Hindrich cannot be counted on at this point.

Melvin

December 12th, 2011
4:36 pm

•#Hawks F Josh Smith worked on mid-range J but plans to shoot less 3s: “You’re going to see less of that from me.”

Melvin

December 12th, 2011
4:38 pm

•Drew on T-Mac and Stack: “They are not afraid to voice their opinion, step on toes and call guys out. We haven’t had that in past.”

I was hoping these two guys would provide some leadership and step on some toes to change the culture around here since the front office refuse to make changes to the core group.

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2011
4:41 pm

SMH at Dalembert and Nene still being out there with no deals and some clown proclaiming he likes his frontline. Once again, Sund does not buy tickets. Ask the people that pay for tickets rather they like there team or frontline then you can see why no-one respects Sund.

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2011
4:49 pm

If the N.O. and Clip trade ever goes through the Hawks should offer Zaza and Kirk’s expiring to N.O. for Kaman. Zaza is more of a backup than Kaman and his contract will only have 1 year left. We could offer a 2nd rd pick along with this since it rids us of Zaza’s contract next year and puts us under the cap going into next offseason. That is a place we have not been in quite some time.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7dzej63

Even if the Clip/N.O. trade never goes through we should offer the Clips this trade. Zaza is more of a backup than Kaman and you better believe they did not just overpay De-Andre Jordan 4 year 43 million to sit on the bench.

Peter

December 12th, 2011
4:49 pm

Day 3 we suck… thank you !

terrell

December 12th, 2011
4:52 pm

Agreed Obrien. When are the so called vets going to turn the corner?

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
4:52 pm

Superiorblogman,

Why get upset at Sund, he is only the front guy and its his job to stay employed. He has a criteria to reach and lets face it he has reached it. He orders are not to go into the luxury tax and those guys will definitely put us there. Look Im not trying to defend him but only point out everything starts and ends with the owners. It is frustrating being fans to see names available and wonder why we cant have that person but in reality it is a business to make money. Sadly Ill forever be a hawks fan but right now Im not a fan of our owners.

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2011
4:59 pm

hawks_4_life

December 12th, 2011
4:52 pm

Superiorblogman,

Why get upset at Sund, he is only the front guy and its his job to stay employed. He has a criteria to reach and lets face it he has reached it. He orders are not to go into the luxury tax and those guys will definitely put us there. Look Im not trying to defend him but only point out everything starts and ends with the owners. It is frustrating being fans to see names available and wonder why we cant have that person but in reality it is a business to make money. Sadly Ill forever be a hawks fan but right now Im not a fan of our owners.

I respect your opinion but I disagree and will not try to lesson the blame which should be assigned to Sund. Sund knew last year during the offseason that Jamal wanted a contract. Jamal asked for a offer during last offseason. Sund, knew that the team had no intentions of signing Jamal if it would put them into luxury. Sund, new of the financial situation then. He knew signing Jamal to even the mid level would put them into luxury. What did he do to better that situation? He gave away 2 1st round picks for Kirk Hinrich who he knows the team will not resign this offseason and who has proven now to be unreliable. What will Sund now do with this situation other than tell us this is what we have and claim to like it. My problem is Sund is making these situations worse. The owners are not going into luxury and Sund knows that but he is not making the best of his assets knowing what he knows. So, I will not let him off the hook any. Both Sund and the ASG are incompetent.

Astro Joe

December 12th, 2011
5:00 pm

OB, I don’t take Joe’s comments tat literally. I think he is trying to keep Teague’s “head in the game” by having him take on a little of the burden… not that he actually owns it but in hopes that he will stay motivated to play like he did in the Bulls series. Some adults (I’m not just talking about ball players) won’t step up under normal circumstances, they respond better to what may require a Herculean effort. When you add Joe’s comments to what Horford said recently, I think they are just helping the youngster stay focused on his duties to the team and his teamates. AND, they are showing respect for the position of PG… QB of the team.

Fundamentals

December 12th, 2011
5:01 pm

If Chauncey is signed you might as well trade Teague cause he’s done. Kid can’t take another hit. Give him the chance he deserves. Stack, Tmac, Kirk, Joe, Sy can cover the slack if he gets hurt. 10 day contracts can suffice as well. I’d rather give the kid the drivers seat. He’s like a 19 year old kid getting told he can’t take his drivers test till he’s old enough. Trouble is he could drive just fine at 16.

Amen to stepping on toes, liking them already!

Josh’s midrange? Still no progress I see.

Teague’s penetration will hopefully cause alot of action near the basket to cut this “shotmaking” mentality. Crash the boards, shoot from the paint! Winners take shots they can actually make!

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
5:07 pm

JOE SAID OUR TEAM DEPENDS ON JEFF TEAGUE TO LEAD US

WTF

WHAT A JOKE

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
5:08 pm

HOW DOES JOE COME BACK TO CAMP EVERY YEAR AND SAY OUR TEAM IS FINE AS IS? WHAT PART OF OUR PLAYOFF PERFORMANCES MAKES HIM THINK THAT?

FIRE JOE. RECONSTRUCT YOUR CONTRACT. NO WONDER WE HAVE NO MONEY

AND FOR PEOPLE WHO CLAIM OUR BIG 3 EAT UP OUR PAYROLL, GO LOOK AT MEMPHIS. THEIR BIG 3 COMBINE FOR 50M A YEAR. OUR BIG 3 COMBINE FOR 40M A YEAR

AMNESTY ASG

Like Matt Forte?

December 12th, 2011
5:10 pm

“He gave away 2 1st round picks for Kirk Hinrich who he knows the team will not resign this offseason and who has proven now to be unreliable.”

Geemack

December 12th, 2011
5:12 pm

@pcnitai

Dallas was a team that played little D before Chandler arrived. I expect New York’s defense to be better this year.

Boston, although old they are still a better defensive team than the Hawks, and they are committed to their offensive system, that’s why I thinks they are better than the Hawks.

If the Hawks committed to the defensive end the way the Bulls did last year they could be the 2nd best team in the East behind Miami, but they won’t.

vava74

You are correct NY has a lot of holes on that roster, but that front line have the potential to be brutal.

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 12th, 2011
5:16 pm

Grandmaster Jeje I thought the highest paid player was suppose to be the leader. Joe wants the money but he doesn’t want the responsibility.

FIRE SUND

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
5:19 pm

“Grandmaster Jeje I thought the highest paid player was suppose to be the leader. Joe wants the money but he doesn’t want the responsibility. ”

HE’S PAID SO HE CAN ANONYMOUSLY MAKE THE ALL STAR TEAM, NOT LEAD, NOT TAKE THE BLAME, AND DISAPPEAR IN IMPORTANT PLAYOFF GAMES

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
5:23 pm

“Why get upset at Sund, he is only the front guy and its his job to stay employed. He has a criteria to reach and lets face it he has reached it.”

HIS CRITERIA EVERY YEAR IS TO HAVE A WINNING RECORD AND TO BE A TOP 5 SEED IN THE EAST. AN INJURED D-LEAGUE SQUAD COULD’VE MADE THE TOP 5 IN THE EAST LAST YEAR

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
5:32 pm

LOL @ LD SAYING STACK AND T-MAC HOLD PLAYERS ACCOUNTABLE. T-MAC HASN’T EVEN WON A PLAYOFF SERIES AND HE’S A BETTER LEADER THAN THE SCRAPS OF MANURE LEADERSHIP WE HAVE ON THIS ROSTER

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
5:36 pm

1/4 OF OUR ROSTER THIS YEAR WILL CONSIST OF 3 PLAYERS WHO ARE RANKED IN THE BOTTOM 5 PLAYERS IN THE NBA

LET ME REPHRASE THAT: PAPE SY, KEITH BENSON, AND MAGNUM ROLLE ARE 3 OF THE 5 WORST PLAYERS IN THE NBA.

RICK STUNK CLAIMS HE IS HAPPY WITH OUR BIGS

SMDH

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
5:40 pm

Born Leader!

Grandmaster JeJe!

You know what they say – Leaders are born.
Corporate programs identify their leaders and groom them for higher management. Mr. Johnson appears to have limited Leadership potential at this point. But, at least he is a good teammate and is not a locker room cancer.

He doesn’t appear to be mean spirited and hard to get along with. It seems even @ the vet minimum, T-Mac and Stack are natural born leaders though. That is refreshing, especially if they can help pull Josh off the 3 point line.

KevinM

December 12th, 2011
5:42 pm

“RICK STUNK CLAIMS HE IS HAPPY WITH OUR BIGS”

The kiss of death for any of the Hawks faithful on this board. That is why I hate to hear Sund comment on anything. He is such a downer that there is no ray of hope for us to move this nucleus forward.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
5:49 pm

Horford I guess is not a leader. What a disappointment.

Has anyone else thought about the fact that no one on our team has openly requested a trade? These guys are content. Joe says he thinks our roster is fine as is. What a joke.

THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AND EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS

THAT PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP THIS “CORE”

Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde

December 12th, 2011
6:13 pm

Jeje for Blogger Of The Year

I hope Mcgrady and Stackhouse hold Horford accountable for sliding out the way when a guard drives to the basket.

spanky

December 12th, 2011
6:23 pm

Before the Hawks can become relevant in NBA, they have to become gossip worthy. Josh Smith, Jeff Teague, and Marvin Williams for Chris Paul. We gotta start some where. “Real Talk” In order to get a super star you gotta be willing to either give up one or the next can’t miss.

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
6:25 pm

This could work:

[Sund - "we will go into the lux tax for the right guy"]

*Amnesty Joe
*Sign Billups (to play the [2]
*pkg Josh or Al + kirk’s exp. + kito + 2013 # 1 pick + Zaza
(we cannot trade our 2012 #1 pick) – by rule
If ORL wished for Josh over Al then he could re-sign in two yrs.
[re-uniting he and Howard]
the reason I chose to amnesty Joe rather than trade him to ORL;
I figured they would not want his contract.
The Hawks could insert Marv if ORL wished.

As much as I personnally would miss Al;
this would be good for our franchise.

I do not see them getting a better pkg;
other than a gimpy -Bynum-.

Billups to the Hawks = the key !
-not- Arenas

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2011
6:27 pm

“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFGMNLiCzHc&feature=related

don’t miss this.”

I’ll see that and raise you this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTnDkOAuwYs

That Pitt-UConn game told me in no uncertain terms that Thabeet would never, ever be a quality NBA player. Give me a 6′6″ DeJuan Blair at center any day over a 7′3″ no-talent, soft, uncoordinated scrub Thabeet.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2011
6:32 pm

“BTW, can you imagine a POTUS owning a sports team in another country while he is in office? I can’t.”

No, but I can’t imagine a POTUS doing most of this sh-t either.

In Soviet Russia, president owns NBA team.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2011
6:34 pm

“As news put Howard “closer” to the Hawks, Howard says:

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7345415/dwight-howard-rethinking-demand-trade-orlando-magic”

I agree with what Tony Kornheiser said on PTI today. I don’t believe a word that comes out of Dwight Howard’s mouth. Or any other soon-to-be NBA free agent for that matter.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2011
6:41 pm

The Clippers claimed Chauncey Billups.

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
6:44 pm

Horford is a leader … [by example] ;
he’s only 25.
T-Mac + Stack are veterans which equals authority.
Authority is vested due to yrs of exp and acquired respect.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
6:45 pm

“I hope Mcgrady and Stackhouse hold Horford accountable for sliding out the way when a guard drives to the basket.”

It wouldn’t matter if Ewing, Tyson Chandler, and Ben Wallace all told Horford to play better defense.

All he’ll keep doing is taking 15 foot jumpshots which he won’t have open this year now that teams know he’s a one trick horse

FIRE ASG

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
7:10 pm

Grandmaster JeJe

I have no real problem with you,
but perhaps I should start to read your bullcrap more closely.

Saying:
“sliding out the way when a guard drives to the basket”
“teams know he’s a one trick horse”

I had been under the impression that you
were not above hyperbole,
but still were basically truthful.

Those quotes above:
are out and out balderdash !

Respectfully stated.

Wild Bill

December 12th, 2011
7:18 pm

If horfords a leader, we aren’t going very far. In fact, all of the players will be demanding more playing time and to play there favorite position. To hell with team play. Its about me. What kind of leader is that?

Soul Man

December 12th, 2011
7:28 pm

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
6:45 pm

Got to co-sign ya bro

superiorblogman

December 12th, 2011
7:33 pm

I disagree with the person comparing the Hawks to a bargain bin full of DVD’s that really hold no substantial value. I disagree with saying the Hawks are really no good. I think the Hawks are a C away from being a contender for the NBA championship until I am proved wrong with a legit NBA C I could care less what a bunch of funny guys and predictors have to say.I see this team basically ever game of ever season and I am correct.

EmirS.

December 12th, 2011
8:05 pm

” and I am correct.”

It’s all about opinions little buddy.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
8:06 pm

If the Hawks were in the bidding war for CP3, the NBA’s asking price would be:

Al, Josh, Teague, Hinrich, ZaZa, and 2 first rounders. This all for someone who is not even the best PG in the league.

SMH

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
8:07 pm

SuperBlogman;

I concur;
[..plus one nasty rebounder..]

Is Troy Murphy still available ?

Not particularly nasty but always rebounded very well.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
8:11 pm

Grandad,

People hate me, but I spit the truth.
——-

College students say to me “you ain’t smart”/
Record label A&Rs say: “this ain’t art”/
These are the contents of the Covenant of the Ark/
Listen to my chest beat tell me this ain’t heart/

Dawg

December 12th, 2011
8:18 pm

What happened to all of the foreign players we have been drafting for the past few years? What happened to all those exemptions that we have been trading for? Why weren’t they used? They would cause no luxery tax, so why not use them? We have been lied to by the hawks management and we never have any tough questions asked of them. We have to sit like dummys and just take the dribble out of Sund.

STRETCH

December 12th, 2011
8:31 pm

Dawg,

Just like the rest of the american players, the foreign players DONT want to come here either cause they have agents too. They research, they watch what management does as well.

Great place to party and terrible place to win championships.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
8:31 pm

A Real GM!

What I like about Thomas Dimitroff is he answers the freakin’ question candidly. He doesn’t talk down to people like he is a genius god! He clearly states what it is he is trying to do with his roster, and he has to evaluate 53 to 66 players. He takes gargantuan risks to get his man!

Say what you want, but he gave away 6 picks to get Julio Jones. Even if Julio doesn’t come through for him, at least he tried.

Why can’t Sund do that? Even with his hands tied, he can be creative with what he has to work with. Trade somebody then! I hope this IS his last year and Drew too.

Larry Brown would prolly win a Trophy with this team. The players may hate him after one year, but he will push all the right buttons though.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
8:40 pm

Old Nut!

“MT @daldridgetnt: League warns Billups/agent before Clips claim he will be in breach of contract if he doesn’t report or is disruptive”
____________________

Billups really need to calm his old butt down. He is a little long in the tooth. If he doesn’t want to play for the love of the game, then he need to retire, take his balls and go home. The End!

At his age, ain’t nobody trying to build a team around him. One thing about Lena Horn is, she was a lady – and a lady always know when to leave a room.

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
8:43 pm

@ 12/12/11 6:45 pm

All you did was spit.

Once again, I have no problem with your grandiloquence
but when you overstate rhetoric to the point of prevarication;
you have crossed the line into dissimulation rather than villification.

Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut

December 12th, 2011
8:44 pm

Najeh DeJuan Blair is 6′7 and has a 7′2 wingspan (same as McGrady and Stoudemire).

Height of a wing player, weight of a center, mobility of a wing player. At center he does his work early and pushes guys away from the basket he can be a Mismatch monster. Monster on the pick and roll. Gets elite amount of rebounds

You have to split his minutes and play him center minutes (26-30mpg) because of stamina and knees.

Grandad

December 12th, 2011
8:45 pm

Grandmaster JeJe

____________________________________________

@ 12/12/11 6:45 pm

All you did was spit.

Once again, I have no problem with your grandiloquence
but when you overstate rhetoric to the point of prevarication;
you have crossed the line into dissimulation rather than villification.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
8:45 pm

Dawg: “What happened to all of the foreign players we have been drafting for the past few years? What happened to all those exemptions that we have been trading for? Why weren’t they used? They would cause no luxery tax, so why not use them? We have been lied to by the hawks management and we never have any tough questions asked of them. We have to sit like dummys and just take the dribble out of Sund.”

Post of the day.

Most people here don’t even mention the exceptions anymore because we know this ownership won’t use them. We have SOLD picks but won’t dare spend 1 more penny

Grandmaster JeJe

December 12th, 2011
8:49 pm

Once again, I have no problem with your grandiloquence
but when you overstate rhetoric to the point of prevarication;
you have crossed the line into dissimulation rather than villification.

^I didn’t overstate anything. Horford is a one-trick horse offensively. And Horford runs out of the way on defense when someone drives the lane (as Worldwide Clyde The Legend stated).

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 12th, 2011
8:59 pm

RED

I posted this last week when I heard on 790 The Zone from Matt Chernoff that the ASKG spent 2M to open a full service restaurant inside Phillips Arena.

These fat cats don’t want to spend 2M on luxury tax? Why did they purchase a NBA team if, they are more interested in the restaurant business?

RED? WTF kinda name is that? I could free style 20 better names for a FKN restaurant than “RED”.

Spend some damned money on this roster azz-holes!!!
Ain’t nobody gonna’ be sittin’ up in no ASKG restaurant in addition to paying for game tickets. Hella, we eat before we come down there or somewhere else after the game.

Full Service? WTH is that supposed to mean? We gotta’ over pay for bad food and tip the waiter too? Ha Ha!
Hell to the naw – bruh!!! Ain’t gonna’ happen. I hope your stupid restaurant named RED goes bankrupt!

I really hate these owners, they don’t even have a clue. They are the 1% ers.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 12th, 2011
9:00 pm

“You have to split his minutes and play him center minutes (26-30mpg) because of stamina and knees.”

Flavor Flav, you are missing the point. I didn’t say Blair should be playing full time minutes at center. I said I would rather have him play full time minutes at center than that scrub Thabeet. I could say that about 40-50 other players too, but I picked Blair because I posted that video of him punking the sh-t out of Thabeet in college.

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