Atlanta Hawks: Camp Report Day 2: Still tax-strapped
From what I can gather, Rick Sund is exploring sign-and-trade scenarios for Jamal Crawford. But, so far, Sund does not have the green light to approve a transaction that results in a luxury tax payment. As long as that’s the case, I don’t see how it can happen.
Update 12:08 a.m.: The Knicks have expressed interest in Crawford, as reported by Alex Kennedy Hoopsworld.com and Sam Amick at SI.com. But still no word that Sund has been authorized to spend into the tax. Howard Beck of the New York Times reports that the Knicks will be over the cap once they complete their recent transactions. Their trades thus will be subject to salary-matching rules.
Update 10:09 a.m.: There’s still no indication that Sund has been authorized to spend more than the tax threshold but late last night he was looking for ways to gain some salary relief to get the Hawks further under the tax line. I’m not sure how the Hawks can shed significant team salary (money that counts towards the cap and tax) without using the amnesty clause but apparently Sund is looking for a way to so to gain flexibility to spend on free agents.
After signing Tracy Mc Grady, Jason Collins and Vladmir Radmanovic, Atlanta has roughly $67.7 million in guaranteed team salary committed to 10 players (assuming minimum salaries are the same as stipulated in the old CBA for 2011-12). Add Keith Benson, Pape Sy and Magnum Rolle and the team salary is about $69.7 million.
Atlanta could shed as much as $896,000 of its team salary (depending on any guarantees) by waving those three players and replacing all of them with rookie free agents. Those moves would leave the team salary at about $68.8 million. The luxury-tax threshold is a bit more than $70 million.
Under new CBA trade rules, teams over the cap that don’t pay the tax can acquire no more than 150% + $100,000 of the salaries they trade away. Taxpaying teams can acquire no more than 125% + $100,000 of the salaries they trade away. Since a team over the cap would be using a sign-and-trade to pay Crawford more than the $5 million mid-level, a sign-and-trade involving him would mean the Hawks would have to take back a salary amount that would put them over the tax threshold.
Obviously, the Hawks would pay some tax if they use a significant amount of their exceptions to pay Crawford or any other free agent. With so many teams holding cap room, I have to think Crawford will get more than the mid-level exception even with guys like Rip Hamilton, Chauncey Billups and Vince Carter crowding the market. The Hawks have resigned themselves to as much.
Days later and I’m still getting questions about the report suggesting a Hawks sign-and-trade with the Bulls that would swap Crawford for Omer Asik and Ronnie Brewer. I don’t think there is anything to that report, and not just because it would be a bad deal for the Bulls (which probably helps explain why the rumor is so popular among Hawks fans).
For one, the deal would require the Hawks to pay significant tax and, again, Sund doesn’t yet have the go-ahead to make that kind of deal and may not get it. Also, the Bulls still are focused on signing a free-agent guard using their mid-level exception, and it looks like they’ve got their man in Hamilton.
NOTES
- As expected, the Hawks have no plans to use their amnesty clause this year. It can be used before any season of the CBA, which is for 10 years with mutual opt-outs for the owners and players after six years.
- For now, the Hawks are scouring the free-agent value bin and the waiver wire for help. “We are still looking at what’s out there,” Larry Drew said. “We are keeping our ears open to see if anything falls through the cracks. It’s only the second preseason practice and we will just have to wait and see what happens.”
- The Hawks are in the market for another center. Take a look at the list of free agents and you can see it’s very thin as far as rotation-quality guys.
- The Hawks also are looking for a backup point guard as Kirk Hinrich heals from surgery. The free-agent list looks better for that position. Carlos Arroyo, for one, would be a serviceable stopgap.
- Drew said the Hawks are interested in Gilbert Arenas if he clears the amnesty waiver wire. Teams with cap space get the first shot at him. If there are no bids he would become a free agent, though I’m not sure of the timing on that.
- Billups is on the amnesty waiver wire but he’s warning he might retire or make trouble if he gets claimed by a team he doesn’t want to join.
- The Knicks signed Mike Bibby. New York also reportedly is after free agent J.J. Barea, who probably would be an even better fit than Arroyo for Atlanta. Not sure he can be had for the minimum, though.
- Damien Wilkins signed with the Pistons.
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J.J.M.
December 10th, 2011
8:50 pm
http://www.spike.com/events/video-game-awards-2011-voting/voting/nfl-blitz-cover-vote
vote roddy white for the cover of nfl blitz
bird
December 10th, 2011
8:53 pm
With the tweet Jamal sent to Damien Wilkins, I can’t see the Hawks bringing him back.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2011
8:57 pm
I don’t know if Chauncey Billups would necessarily be worth picking up — especially as long as LD is around, since the last thing he needs is an excuse to not play Teague — but if nothing else, Billups is apparently motivated by the desire to possibly knock them out of the playoffs. The Hawks would likely provide him that opportunity.
If they got him, the next logical step would be to dump Kirk’s expiring contract, and depending on how much they paid Billups and what they got in return for Kirk they may end up saving money in such a transaction.
All purely speculation by me of course.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2011
8:57 pm
^^By “them” I meant the Knicks.
Astro Joe
December 10th, 2011
8:59 pm
MC, as always, thanks for the reporting. Did any Hawks return in less than good condition? Are you seeing anyone who brings back Michael Sweetney flashbacks?
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2011
9:01 pm
at least the hawks are in the market for a center…lets just hope they actually sign a decent one
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
9:05 pm
Leash Law!
Snoop Dog on 107.9 tonight talking ’bout how mad everyone is in LA re: CP3 trade block. He said, “David Stern has a plantation mentality.”. LOL!
Last night he was on V103 co-hosting. Snoop said he loves The ATL for real. The music mecca of the East Coast is a fine city with a great vibe. (para-phrased from last night).
Michael Cunningham
December 10th, 2011
9:06 pm
@Astro Joe: No one looks sloppy. I’d say Al is not in optimal condition, which he admits, but nothing two weeks of preseason can’t improve.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2011
9:08 pm
Regarding that free agent list, there isn’t much that jumps off the page as far as big men who can give quality minutes for the minimum, but Erick Dampier may be one such player. I could see him signing for the minimum, and although he didn’t do much last year, he was a serviceable player two years ago.
Jeff Foster, Joel Przybilla, or Reggie Evans could be useful too, although I don’t know what kind of condition Przybilla’s knees are in, and Evans can’t play center.
ant banks
December 10th, 2011
9:10 pm
what if jj had left 12 million on the table? but NOO!!! he had to clean the plate, crumbs, napkins and everything. lol. he was thinkin’ strictly about himself and not the team….SMGDH.
Astro Joe
December 10th, 2011
9:11 pm
MC, thanks. I’m hoping Anthony Carter gets a call from Sund. If the Hawks sign a PG, it needs to be someone who won’t threaten Teague. JT0 clearly doesn’t need to have any question if he is going to play. He seems to need an extra comfy security blanket that his job is not at risk.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2011
9:12 pm
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/12/10/Hawks-Lamarcusr-trade.ap/index.html?ls=iref%3Anbahpt2
Lamarcus Aldridge traded to the Hawks for Josh Smith
Big Ray
December 10th, 2011
9:13 pm
Oh dear. Al done went and got “less than optimal” in his conditioning.
I think I hear a big dog barking in the distance…
Sol
December 10th, 2011
9:14 pm
Mc, the Hawks should try to get Dwight Howard by sending Josh Smith, Zaza and a future first round pick to Orlando even if Dwight not aggree to the extention as long as the Magic do it. For the Hawks he might win here and sign long term.
Astro Joe
December 10th, 2011
9:15 pm
ant, you’re kidding, right? What assurances would Joe have received that they would have used that $2M? Could Joe get it back if the owners refused to pay the $2M in salaries?
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
9:15 pm
Sour Grapes!
“With the tweet Jamal sent to Damien Wilkins, I can’t see the Hawks bringing him back.” -bird-
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Yeah bird man, (no pun) rejection hurts deep. But Jamal need to understand, it’s just biz and work on his defense. That’s it, Jamal should be angry at his defense.
And, he did reflect poorly on The Hawks by letting his 150LB English Bull Mastiff dogs (2) piss and ish all over that lady’s mansion. Turned her house into an unkept zoo, to the tune of 30K. Hire a house keeper and pet sitter Jamal, you Sir, made 10.8K last season.
Thank You and Best Wishes!
Neki
December 10th, 2011
9:20 pm
J.J.M.
That page just disappear, but that would be a crazy trade for him.
KevinM
December 10th, 2011
9:20 pm
On D12 and the 3 teams he can talk to, the Nets need a 3rd team. Could we get some cap relief and send Josh to NJ and end up with an extra #1 draft pick and perhaps a Jordan Farmer or Anhony Morrow?
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
9:20 pm
* 10.8M
Neki
December 10th, 2011
9:22 pm
Heck No, i would not package Josh Smith for anything, even if D12 want him, it is not going help this team out, so sorry D12 wait for two years.
KevinM
December 10th, 2011
9:24 pm
Why isn’t Bibby being introduced to the NY media with Tyson? He may be their PG.
superiorblogman
December 10th, 2011
9:24 pm
Well let’s start looking forward to the offseason since this team as currently constructed is garbage.
Today we saw that Marques Teague is a beast and can’t be stopped gettting to the rim and Chris Watford is better than Marvin Williams and will probably never be anything more than a 2nd round pick. He reminds me of Wilson Chandler.
I would not be against taking Marques to be Jeff’s backup if he is available this year since Hinrich will expire and we will get nothing for him just like Jamal and Pape being a PG is a joke
Big Ray
December 10th, 2011
9:27 pm
On third thought….I’d take a mad-a$$ Billups in a heartbeat (yes, I’m being wishy-washy, but the guy can PLAY). Let him take his angst out on the entire Eastern Conference, including the Knicks. We could really use the swagger, defense, and toughness.
Hell, play him at the 2, Joe at the 3, Horford at the 5, Josh at the 4, and Teague at the 1.
KevinM
December 10th, 2011
9:27 pm
Chauncey is very outspoken now……..come on Sund….make room!
And Rip fits in this offense better than CHI.
KevinM
December 10th, 2011
9:30 pm
I believe very little LD tells us……
brigadierjerry
December 10th, 2011
9:32 pm
Regarding some of the free agents mentioned here:
Anthony Carter is signing with Toronto
Foster signed with Indiana
Reggie Evans possibly with Portland
Also although I dont ever see it happening if the Hawks were to blow it up if the season was going down the tubes and become lost would you if the Hawks want to restart fresh, and a Joe Johnson+Josh Smith for Kevin Garnett+Ray Allen+Jujuan Johnson+1st rounder become available, would you do it just to clear salary as far as the Hawks?
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2011
9:34 pm
ray rice won over roddy and patric willis
superiorblogman
December 10th, 2011
9:35 pm
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8y8m4s9
Hawks get: Brook Lopez, Travis Outlaw, Anthony Morrow
New Jersey Nets get: Josh Smith, Dwight Howard
Orlando Magic gets: Damion James, Kirk Hinrich and 2 1st round picks from Nets, and 2 1st round picks from Hawks
Great Deal for all parties
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
9:37 pm
What If?
“what if jj had left 12 million on the table? ” -ant banks-
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Why? So ASKG can line their pockets with JJ money, Childress MLE and never pay any luxury tax? A better question would be:
What if the ASKG spent 12M in luxury taxes?
What if ant banks went to his boss and paid his boss for letting him work there?
Did the ASKG go to Mr. Johnson and ask him to restructure his deal?
Maybe, the ASKG should sue Mr. Johnson for accepting their offer and signing their contract?
Maybe the ASKG should file bankruptcy and sell their team and corporate jets to the NBA if they can’t afford to run a contender team?
What if the ASKG had a clue about marketing and took some classes on how to talk to their supportive fans and explain their vision for this franchise?
What if the ASKG embraced the luxury tax as a tool, and a resource to win a championship?
What if the ASKG used their “voted for” amnesty clause to rid this roster of dead weight and spend some of their own damned money?
What if the ASKG hired a Real GM and let him do his job?
What if the ASKG hired a Real Coach?
What if the ASKG spent the 3M they saved from trading down two picks to draft Jordan Crawford?
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What if Ant Banks had a clue?
MattP
December 10th, 2011
9:37 pm
“KevinM
December 10th, 2011
9:30 pm
I believe very little LD tells us……”
I think that is what we all say. We all know he will try to find someone to start in front of Teague no matter what he says. If he started Teague early on in last season we could have keep Jordon and he could have been our sixth man this season.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
9:37 pm
HOW CAN WE SIGN ANYONE WITH THE CURRENT PAYROLL? WE HAVE NO ROOM BEFORE WE HIT THE LT
ASG U SOLD THE THRASHERS. MAN UP AND SPEND SOME MONEY
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
9:38 pm
Michael Cunningham
December 10th, 2011
9:06 pm
@Astro Joe: No one looks sloppy. I’d say Al is not in optimal condition, which he admits, but nothing two weeks of preseason can’t improve.
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^^^^^^^
All he did the offseason was take jumpshots. Why would he be in shape?
MattP
December 10th, 2011
9:40 pm
brigadierjerry, Garnett and Allen are old, that is not starting fresh. If they wanted to free themselves from Johnson’s contract they can use their Clasue.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
9:40 pm
WE HAVE 8964 owners AND CAN’T SPEND TWO PENNIES IN THE LT
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
9:41 pm
CELTS ARE DONE. PERKINS TRADE WAS THEIR DEMISE
Ra'mon
December 10th, 2011
9:42 pm
I would love to see Billups on the Hawks.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
9:49 pm
WE HAVE NO MONEY TO SIGN ANYONE
WE HAVE 3 PLAYERS WHO RANK IN THE BOTTOM FIVE IN THE NBA
FIRE ASG
FIRE UNS
superiorblogman
December 10th, 2011
9:53 pm
If this Hornets trade ever goes through maybe we can offer them another pick since that is what Stern is claiming to be after.
Kirk and Zaza or Kirk and Marvin for Okafor would work.
They would save a lot of money if we sent them Kirk’s expiring and Zaza for Okafor. Close to $20 million over 3 years.
We could send them a pick along with Zaza and Marvin on the other hand. Would not save them but like $7 million over 3 years though.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6lhexxm
My preference would me Marvin, Zaza, and 2012-13 1st for Okafor
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
9:58 pm
They Know -drake-
They know what Joe is gonna’ do.
They know what Josh is gonna’ do.
They know what AL is gonna’ do.
They know what Teague is gonna’ do.
They know what T-Mac is gonna’ do.
They know what ZaZa is gonna’ do.
They know what Vladimir is gonna’ do.
They know what Jason is gonna’ do.
They know what Marvin is gonna’ do.
They Know … They Know … They Know
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Do they know?
Do they know what Kirk is gonna’ do?
Do they know what Pape Sy is gonna’ do?
Do they know what “Magnum PI” is gonna’ do?
Do they know what kito Benson is gonna’ do?
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Blog Question: Do my fellas know what these fan favorites are gonna’ do – in ONE word?
(Please tell us the 1st word that pops into your head).
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Joe is gonna’ score.
Josh is gonna’ block-shots.
AL is gonna’ rebound.
Teague is gonna’ penetrate.
T-Mac is gonna’ glue.
Vladimir is gonna’ score.
ZaZa is gonna’ “goon”.
Jason is gonna “play big”
Marvin is gonna’ “stand up straight”
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I Know … I Know … I Just Know this team.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
10:03 pm
Blog Question II:
What do you love about ZaZa?
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ZaZa is reminiscent of Adongmikong Suh, he will knock your butt down hard and step on yo neck – he will not help you get up on Natl TV. Why can’t AL do that?
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2011
10:07 pm
^^^needs to be laid
STRETCH
December 10th, 2011
10:15 pm
Ra’mon,
Billups is pretty much “taking his talents to South Beach.”
Nique
December 10th, 2011
10:16 pm
Hey Micheal,
Is there any talk of adding recently waived Gani Lawal former GT standout for inside size & Micheal Redd as the shooter they keep referencing?Redd is said to be going for around the vet minimum
Nique
December 10th, 2011
10:23 pm
I also heard James Posey was told to stay home by the Pacers, would love to get our hands on him because of his D, he’s a decent 3 point threat as well.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 10th, 2011
10:31 pm
Gani Lawal has the size of David Lee according to draft express. simple but effective face up game yet undersized.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2011
10:32 pm
“Blog Question: Do my fellas know what these fan favorites are gonna’ do – in ONE word?”
I know this — if the Hawks are as soft as Drake they are not going very far in the playoffs.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
10:36 pm
Laid Up!
“^^^needs to be laid” -JJM Jack-Azz-
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As if you could. Yo Mamma should have never been laid!
Dawg
December 10th, 2011
10:36 pm
I have no confidence in the ability or the motivation of the Hawks management.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
10:42 pm
Heavy Rotation!
Najeh! Ha Ha … I tuned the radio in my car and that song comes on every 15 mins – why buy that?
I guess the Hawks are soft then … 108 aggregate 2nd round play off loss to Orlando two seasons ago, does qualify as soft.
They Soft Then. LOL! But, we come back and spank the not-so-magic the following season with the exact same team and they upgraded?
Does that mean – they soft too?
Guido
December 10th, 2011
10:47 pm
Nique, there is a reason James Posey has been asked to stay home. Stay away from him.
MC, what happened to David Lighty from Ohio State. Is he overseas somewhere?
Guido
December 10th, 2011
10:50 pm
I think the East is going to be interesting with Chicago/Miami favorites Hawks, Celts, Pacers are the teams to look out for.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
10:51 pm
Hmmmmm …
Sekou reported last night on NBA TV that, Lamarcus Aldridge didn’t pass the team physical. Najeh do you see a trade there for Josh?
Even though Josh reported for Hawks camp and participated?
Did Portland hold Lamarcus out of camp to avert injury for that un-linked trade rumor posted earlier?
kwooden
December 10th, 2011
10:51 pm
Its pretty clear the HAWKS are done picking-up players because they’re not going into the Luxury Tax. Personally I’m waiting for a trade, but I don’t think any trade would help, accept for getting Dwight Howard. Looks like Dwight wants to go to NJ and not here so it appears to be a long shot that he’s in a HAWKS uniform this year. Overall your team is still a little small and lacks in-the-paint scorers. Miami, NY (now), Chicago and possibly the Celtics are all still better than them. Horford and Smoove are still the keys to this team taking it to the next level, so we’re going to have to wait and see if they have improved their games. Hopefully Horford’s turn around jumper is effective and Smoove can knock down his open shots. This team will look very different with Jeff as the full time PG, but it’s still not elite.
GO HAWKS!
Grandmaster Jeje
December 10th, 2011
10:52 pm
“My preference would me Marvin, Zaza, and 2012-13 1st for Okafor”
Not bad. Sounds about right – maybe too much. Would be nice to get Jarrett Jack if we trade Hinrich
Grandmaster Jeje
December 10th, 2011
10:53 pm
“I think the East is going to be interesting with Chicago/Miami favorites Hawks, Celts, Pacers are the teams to look out for.”
Celtics will be incredibly soft this year without Perkins, no other center, and like 3 PFs, 2 of which won’t play defense.
Pacers don’t have enough talent.
We are nicely nestled in the 3 seed IMHO
Grandmaster Jeje
December 10th, 2011
10:55 pm
Why not try take advantage of New Orleans and try snatch away Okafor? Problem is that Houston is involved in the blockbuster trade so NOH would not be getting Gasol (they’d have Scola and Odom as 4s).
But we should inquire about Okafor and see if they will take Smoove in case the deal falls apart.
Horford and Okafor as your 4 and 5?
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
11:00 pm
Resting on Laurels?
“No one looks sloppy. I’d say Al is not in optimal condition, which he admits, ” – MC -
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OK, got paid … disappeared in previous playoffs, (see marvin’s invisible cloak)) … showed up in less than optimal condition … Is AL Horford gonna’ be the weakest link?
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JJM – where you at? Are you a punk? If you didn’t know – I fight dirty! Wassup bruh? Is that all you’re worth?
bigdave
December 10th, 2011
11:01 pm
Lamarcus is having issues with his Wolf Parkinson White syndrome..
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
11:03 pm
Blog Question III
Is Josh now deemed “un-coachable?”
bigdave
December 10th, 2011
11:03 pm
as if Tyson didnt already have his hands full..
the knicks are after Jamal Crawford..
gonna earn every penny of that new deal in..
Astro Joe
December 10th, 2011
11:06 pm
Maybe I’m too jaded and have come out on the other side of all of this, but I kind of like our roster and feel better about it this year than in the past several years. Bottom line, I think we have more players that can at least be average on both sides of the court. No, I’m not saying we’re about to “shock the world” but I am actually expecting more than the normal Hawks standard with this mix. Of course, that assumes a reasonable amount of health (and an adequate replacement for Hinrich)..
I wonder if the NBA could shorten the usual FA signing period in the future. I’m sure that front offices around the league hate this frenetic pace, but I LOVE it. Maybe instead of the usual 6-8 weeks, they could have a 4 week signing period before camps open.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2011
11:08 pm
“Of course, that assumes a reasonable amount of health (and an adequate replacement for Hinrich)..”
At this point I am pretty sure you and LD are the only two people left on Earth who don’t think Teague is the answer at point guard.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2011
11:08 pm
lol mom jokes and its almost 2012 c’mon son!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2011
11:10 pm
Okafor is a good defensive player, but his contract is atrocious.
J.J.M.
December 10th, 2011
11:10 pm
I actually was getting laid while playing mw3 instead of using fairy tale drake lines…
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
11:11 pm
The NBA Grave Pit!
Aldridge will miss at least a week with Wolf-Parkinson-White syndrome, a heart …
Blazers F LaMarcus Aldridge will be out of practice for the next week or two,
following a … However, the most important issue is his health, first and foremost. …
http://www.fantasysp.com/…/LaMarcus_Aldridge/…/aldridge-will-miss-at-least-a- week-with-wolf-parkinson-white – Similar pages
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Best Wishes to Lamarcus Aldridge, his health and his family.
Word to the wise: Jamal Crawford – Run! Don’t go there, there must be something in the water. Remember Sam Bowie taken ahead of Michael Jordan and Gregg Oden taken ahead of Kevin Durant?
Bad Luck City!
Astro Joe
December 10th, 2011
11:11 pm
Najeh, I don’t think any team should have Pape Sy backing up their lone PG for several months, and if you do, then you and Sund are the only ones living that fantasy.
Casey
December 10th, 2011
11:12 pm
Thanks for FINALLY printing full names!!!!
bigdave
December 10th, 2011
11:13 pm
Stro Joe..
id like to feel the same but 2 things still worry me..
tenacity on the glass..
and the ability to get/create easy buckets out of the half court set..
MattP
December 10th, 2011
11:15 pm
Yes, Teague should be taking over PG right now. Should have started to work him in during the last season but LD is an idiot. Everytime LD gave Teague more minutes he did great. I think they should pick up this Donald Sloan guy and play him behind Teague.
bigdave
December 10th, 2011
11:17 pm
Warriors just inked DeAndre Jordan.. thats a good look for them..
Astro Joe
December 10th, 2011
11:20 pm
bigdave, I am fairly optimisitic that the players understand LD’s offense a little better and that LD hopefully will make some adjustments to his strategy that will make the half-court offense better. Honestly, if the offense is a problem (again), then LD doesn’t need to make it past the All-Star game. Kind of like a punter who can;t punt, if LD can’t get this squad to produce close to 100 points every game, then he is clearly the problem (in his second year with the sacred core running his scheme).
UGA
December 10th, 2011
11:21 pm
Seriously…………..get ready to sign Francisco Elson. Willie Green is a guy I would look at……
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
11:24 pm
How is Al the one guy on the team out of shape? I thought at times he was the only person on the team who cared.
I guess when all you do is practice 15 foot jump shots that’s what u expect
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
11:28 pm
WOW!
Gee I pray Lamarcus Aldgridge is ok, if I were him I would retire and buy court side seats. I love this guy!
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My 6′5″ brother has a similar defect and had a heart attack at age 23. He now has a pacemaker, he hails from NYC and played BB. My Mother (rip) died at age 42 when I was 21 for a 3M:1 heart defect. My maternal G-Mother. (rip) died young from weak heart muscles. I don’t need sympathy – Ever.
Here’s my point: BB is just a silly game we enjoy, take care of your health Lamarcus.
We should pray for the young man and hope he does what is best for himself and his family. BB is just not that important.
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You guys should google his condition – it is very life threatening.
Astro Joe
December 10th, 2011
11:29 pm
Hawks are missing a big who can defend the pick and roll (Benson or Rolle?) and PG depth. I was thinking that a “big boy” like Pryzbilla, Diop or Fesenko with Collins back and seemingly fit, I think we need the kind of big man who can provide help defense against guys like B. Jennings, D. Rose, etc. I’m not sure if such a FA is out there, but that is the kind of big man depth we need (behind Horford who is an outstanding pick and roll help defender). Again, maybe one of these rail-thin and agile bigs in the camp can fill that gap.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
11:33 pm
Just let Jamal walk. TMac+Vlad+kirk>>>>>>>Jamal
bigdave
December 10th, 2011
11:34 pm
sigh..
i seriously doubt we have owners who care enough to fire a guy mid season.. but i agree.
i just cant take the excessive (highly contested) jump shots…
what optimism i do have stems from the physical abilities Jeff potentially brings.. the question is can he play the position from the neck up. im anxious to see if he takes command of this team, doesnt allow us to get into bad offense, and play the point guard position the way it should be played with this group.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
11:35 pm
Drmaryb,
Thanks for the info. My thoughts go out to Lamarcus, Oden, and definitely B.Roy. Feel terrible for Portland
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
11:36 pm
Mamma Boy!
“I actually was getting laid while playing mw3 instead of using fairy tale drake lines…” -JJM-
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Great use of time, now go find yo mamma’s nipple and get some nutrition. You’re gonna’ need your strength to deal with me.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
11:37 pm
LD AND SUND EXPIRE THIS YEAR.
WE JUST MEED ASG TO SELL TEAM SOMEHOW SON.
NEW COACH
NEW GM
LD IS COACHING FOR HIS LIFE. HE WILL NOT LAND ANOTHER HC GIG IN THE NBA
Astro Joe
December 10th, 2011
11:39 pm
bigdave, yeah, neck up if kind of important, huh? Especially at that position. And can he get up when matched up against the Wizards on a Tuesday night as opposed to the MVP in the playoffs? That is part of being a pro.
Keep in mind that LD’s contract expires in about 7 months, so the owners may be willing to go with an interim coach since they won’t have to pay him past June anyway.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
11:40 pm
Don’t disrespect drmaryb.
Drmaryb worldwide Clyde rod from cp Najeh davenpoop northcyde big ray are the vets here and should not be messed with
They are not the Grandmaster though.
I am.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 10th, 2011
11:41 pm
Astro joe big Dave and other too
Astro Joe
December 10th, 2011
11:42 pm
Mary, you hold it down in here for the rest of the night. BTW, I’ve upgraded my 13″ B&W for one of those 25″ console TVs that weigh as much as Shaq these days. The color seems a little off. When did the Hawks switch to green unis?
Night, all.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 10th, 2011
11:49 pm
Fight Night!
JJM is a coward, he’s just a set of initials (JJM) … He will soon find out – I can fill in the blanks!
This guy is like a “deer in the headlights – he don’t even know he’s in danger!”
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You certainly are The Grandmaster! Aye JJM … I’m sort of a bid deal … Uggh … I know people. LOL! I’m just getting into game shape.
I LOVE you Grandmaster!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bigdave
December 10th, 2011
11:51 pm
i think he can and will.. he’s a competitor and loves to play ball..
i guess im just hoping for a stronger voice. he can actually show that in his play, not deferring, feeding the hot hot hand/mismatch. i think thats one of the biggest problems with this team. we have talent.. starting 5, no question. mental toughness, not so much. i dont know if they really feel their good, at least not collectively. they might say it but.. you only hear Joe say, “we’re gonna role with what we got”, others pleading for help.
i dont know if ive ever heard an all star as for help in his respective position. most guys have that, “ill do it myself” mentality.. “i’ll get it done, by any means”
bigdave
December 10th, 2011
11:52 pm
*ask
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2011
11:53 pm
The CP3 trade is dead. The Lakers pulled out.
D_Cuse99
December 10th, 2011
11:53 pm
Where the heck is David Lighty????
Najeh Davenpoop
December 10th, 2011
11:56 pm
Meanwhile, the Hawks are now talking sign and trade with the Knicks for Jamal.
Time to start speculating on what Knicks players could help us. Off the top of my head, Landry Fields and Toney Douglas are the only realistic targets on that team that could help the Hawks.
bigdave
December 11th, 2011
12:00 am
John Hollinger:
Calm down NYC. Any sign-and-trade for Crawford puts the Hawks in the luxury tax. Non-starter.
he has a point.. if its gonna put us in the tax…. i seriously doubt it goes down. what pieces do they have anyway? unless they unloading Amare (rumored).. to get that financial wiggle room for CP3
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
12:00 am
Breakfast Blundt!
Astro Joe! I got this … I’m in full bytch mode.
JJM picked the perfect storm – I’m PMS-ing. LOL!
Hey – “it’s all fun and games – till, you get your eyes poked out!”
bigdave
December 11th, 2011
12:03 am
wow.. i guess we can expect litigation from the players union/or CP3
Hawks Blog Legend Worldwide Clyde
December 11th, 2011
12:06 am
I thought we needed a center not a sharp shooter or backup point guard. Sund got his priorities messed up. Let Teague run the team and Sy back him up instead of wasting more money on a washed up veteran.
*YAWN*
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
12:07 am
Brutal!
“lol mom jokes and its almost 2012 c’mon son!” -JJM-
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I wasn’t joking. Yo mama is a bytch! and, 9 months later she had a litter – you were the “runt”
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
12:23 am
Look It!
Based on Najeh’s post, Looks like Jamal need the Hawks more than we need him. But, what Jamal fails to understand is that, the Hawks are making moves on the daily. And, ASKG is NOT going into the luxury tax – period.
MC has clearly lamented for two days straight that the Hawks are capped out and taxed out. We have no room to take on additional salary – unless we can unload Marvin to New York.
Here’s my point: who does NY have that we can get an upgrade on Marvin’s new back. He did fight that goon last season from their team. Perhaps, Marvin sealed his fate to NY that day. They may actually believe Marvin is a tough guy.
What if, we send Jamal there and do a SNT to get Billups, with NY paying the difference on his amnesty number. Marvin. @ 7.25M and, Jamal (past salary. Was 10.8M) but, off the books should net Billups and we may have to pay a smidgent of luxury tax.
However, we don’t get that Big this year and roll with Jason Collins and ZaZa.
I’m good with that. We would finally have solved our PG issues since Mookie. Maybe get a dominant center next year, when Kirk comes off.
Slimjr
December 11th, 2011
12:23 am
“The most common understanding of Portland’s climate is grayness. Because the sunny weeks of August lack even the drama of lightning storms, it is the low winter sky that attracts notice – the gray blanket of drizzle, the short winter light. Clouds are great gray sponges wrung out against the wet slope of the Cascades. The winter weather can nourish deep depression. But the gray months can also be soothing, muffling, twilight weather, thinking weather”
Question: Why do the TrailBlazer players go through so many incredible injuries over the years?
Ans: Could it be a lack of sufficient annual SUN LIGHT? So the body is not generating enough of a critical vitamin called “D”? HHHMMMMMM?
Lack of the D affects the Heart, Immune system. Skeleton structure et al…
Dark skinned people should be taking at least 5000iu per day of D3 especially in the winter months..
Light skinned people about 2000-3000iu per day..
Somebody on that Portland staff should take a look and study the history of that organization and start connecting the dots based on nutrition to counter balance the environment these high functioning Athletes are dealing with? To many crazy injuries to call it a coincidence? Hugh?
Michael Cunningham
December 11th, 2011
12:26 am
blog updates
O'Brien
December 11th, 2011
12:32 am
Ant,
When you get hired for a new job, and they offer you a contract, do you tell them you are willing to take less money so they can hire more people?
Slimjr
December 11th, 2011
12:33 am
How does everybody show up in shape except ALL NBA AL? Hey Al don’t let your titles go to your head dude..The NBA is all about what have you done today and projected to do tomorrow….
O'Brien
December 11th, 2011
12:34 am
I would give Dampier a call, or even Diop if he gets amnested. I want us to get another veteran center, although the ones we can afford are not going to be that good.
And I’m with AJ. Hawks need a veteran PG to backup Teague.
O'Brien
December 11th, 2011
12:45 am
Mavs use their trade exception to trade for Lamar Odom.
Its interesting that even when teams win championships (we saw the Lakers do it, and now the Mavs are doing it), and when teams finish ahead of the Hawks (Boston, Miami, Chicago), they are all willing to make changes.
But yet the Hawks continue to stand by this core which has not gotten to a game 7 of round 2.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
12:49 am
Just Brilliant!
“Ans: Could it be a lack of sufficient annual SUN LIGHT? So the body is not generating enough of a critical vitamin called “D”? HHHMMMMMM?
Lack of the D affects the Heart, Immune system. Skeleton structure et al…
Dark skinned people should be taking at least 5000iu per day of D3 especially in the winter months..
Light skinned people about 2000-3000iu per day..
Somebody on that Portland staff should take a look and study the history of that organization and start connecting the dots based on nutrition to counter balance the environment these high functioning Athletes are dealing with? To many crazy injuries to call it a coincidence? Hugh?” -drslimjr-
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Slimjr, you are one awesome young man. God has blessed you with so much insight, intelligence, passion, forethought, natural ability and your education is unsurpassed by most.
I said there was something in the water – to keep it simple on the blog. But, you just nailed my heart with the thunder
Of truth I was speaking of.
The gravity pull on the earth is exposing some environmental defects in that region. Look at Seattle too.
I’m from Aiken, SC – 9 miles from Augusta, Ga and, my entire immediate family is dead, I left for The College of Charleston @ age 16 as a Tennis Prodigy and gifted intellectual. My Father, Mother Sister and Brother all died along with a massive number of relatives.
We moved there in 1961 before I was born, because my Father was hired by: Dupont @ Savannah River Plant. (James Brown – The Godfather of Soul – was our nexct door neighbor for 40 years). But anyway, my Dad worked with uranium to make Atomic Bombs. My dad had to wear HASMAT gear daily and take de-radiation showers befpre he came home.
I know our drinking water was Atomic, we all died and I got out! I am the ONLY one still living for almost 2 generations.
Environmental poisoning and Global Warming is real people. It is why I became a healer. I just blog for fun.
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I would steer away from silicon valley and the west coast.
bigdave
December 11th, 2011
12:53 am
MC
any idea as to who we’d take back?
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
12:53 am
Hmmmm ….
“And I’m with AJ. Hawks need a veteran PG to backup Teague.” – OB -
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OB, do you find it funny that 18 years later, since Mookie & Dikenbe – we still have the very same needs.
Are we insane! You And I?
Neki
December 11th, 2011
12:54 am
So now that Lakers has pull out of the CPIII races, looks like Clippers is in the running, do y’all think that the Hawks might get into the race again.
superiorblogman
December 11th, 2011
12:55 am
Paul trade fell through. Stern is destroying the NBA. Everytime baseball shows again how dirty and classless it is with another MVP being on PED’s Stern does something stupid to make the NBA look bad instead of taking advantage of the opening to put some space between itself and baseball as America’s #2 favorite. I am telling you Stern is holding the league back
Najeh Davenpoop
December 11th, 2011
1:01 am
I wonder if Khloe likes Dallas better than New Orleans.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
1:02 am
Worldwide Clyde!
Fire up the presses!
FIRE STERN!
aytunstopable
December 11th, 2011
1:09 am
superiorblogman
December 10th, 2011
9:35 pm
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=8y8m4s9
Hawks get: Brook Lopez, Travis Outlaw, Anthony Morrow
New Jersey Nets get: Josh Smith, Dwight Howard
Orlando Magic gets: Damion James, Kirk Hinrich and 2 1st round picks from Nets, and 2 1st round picks from Hawks
Great Deal for all parties
what kind of terrible trade are you talking about man thats just a bad trade all around. I like brook lopex but that solves nothing.
BigTimeTECHFan
December 11th, 2011
1:17 am
Any chance hawks can pickup Gani Lewal as the Big??
Diezel
December 11th, 2011
1:21 am
Who do u think will start the small foward position this yea? Mcgrady or Marvin?
Diezel
December 11th, 2011
1:21 am
this year I meant
Nique
December 11th, 2011
1:47 am
Would people take a deal where we sent Jamal to N.J for Jordan Farmar, Travis Outlaw, & Jonathan Petro?
Prison Mike
December 11th, 2011
1:48 am
Why is Lawal being mentioned as a big. The dude hasn’t played a single game. I also take offense to Jamal snt as “hawk fan fantasy”.
The trade helps both teams. Asik while talented is injury prone and due a sizeable contract this summer. Chicago averaged 83 points against Miami in their 4 straight loses. Jamal is a killer in the 4th quarter, he would get them over the hump. They would have the MLE for a back up Center or two first rounders to acquire a young big in the draft.
If you don’t want to pay tax, amnesty marvin. Josh, Joe, or Mcgrady(arguably) are better options than him at the 3. SF is the easiest position to acquire, always has been always will be.
Harry Hawk
December 11th, 2011
2:11 am
Twin got all ripped to guard nobody. Poor guy.
Air Zaza
December 11th, 2011
2:21 am
Hawks need to trade for CP3.
tyger
December 11th, 2011
2:29 am
So far, so good…
Good thing about the “core concept” is that all you worry about are reserves – thats a good thing. We’re really in a good position, especially with D. Howard leaving the East, that takes alot of pressure off the post and the signing of another “true” center. We can definitely get by with Twin/ZaZa now. Although, Tyson Chandler may have filled the Howard void in the East.
Fingers cross on Arenas falling to us, Billups preferred, but he’s indicated he wants to go to Miami, so if it’s Arenas in a limited role, I’d be ok with that, he can still shoot and handle the rock. His defense and legs are suspect, but hopefully, we wont need big minutes from him.
Love the Radmonovic pickup – aside from his shooting% – the Hawks are long! Radi-dadi, ZaZa, Twin, Kito, Rolle are all 6′11. That alone will help the interior defense and rebounding – as we see every playoff, it just pays to be BIG.
Assuming we keep Stackhouse – who I really like – along with McGrady, possibly Arenas. Thats a bench of Arenas, Stackhouse, McGrady, Radmonavic avg. 10-15 yr old legs. Schedule is brutal, there’s a risk there of being stuck with a Bibby or two. i.e. heart willing but legs of stone. You dont want to see teams just running by our bench guys.
So, its important that Teague, Sye, Rolle, Benson develop and get minutes early too. Drew has always shown a willingness to play young guys early, as opposed to Woody, so those guys can earn minutes and it’s Teagues job to lose. It doesnt hurt to have Kirk Hinrich waiting in the wings, if Teague is just not starter quality, which I suspect.
I think he’s a fine up-tempo quick guard, but he cant shoot and doesn’t have a high PG I.Q. Ask yourself, how many times have you seen Teague make the “slick ” pass, how many alley-oops does he throw, where’s his penetrate and dish game?
He doesn’t have one – he’s an option QB that lowers his head and dives to the hole. His speed and athleticism compensate, so he can defend other small PGs to some extent and every now and then, he can make an athletic defensive recovery, usually after a turnover he initiates. Eventually, as a starter, he has to run the offense, make his teammates better, and knock down shots to keep the D honest – that would be progress. We’ll see.
Even with the aged veterans, i would still like to see where Michael Redd and Kenyon Martin wind up. I know Martin is in China, but he’s the kind of missing defensive specialist the Hawks desperately need. Redd is another low risk/high reward former All-star that could be useful come playoff time.
superiorblogman
December 11th, 2011
2:52 am
Game changing trade.
Hawks trade Zaza and Kirk
to
Rockets for Thabeet and Goran Dragic
This saves the Hawks $5.6 Million
So, now take 69.7-5.6=$64.1 So, now you have $5.9 to spend before you reach luxury and can get some more players.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bnfo8he
That would be a game changing trade because it would give you a backup PG and the flexibility to resign Jamal without going into luxury or some other Big Man starting right at $6 million per year.
PG Teague/Dragic/Sloan
SG Joe/Jamal/Pape
SF Marvin/T-Mac/
PF Josh/Rolle/Benson
C Al/Collins/Thabeet
or
PG Teague/Dragic/Sloan
SG Joe/T-Mac/Pape
SF Josh/Marvin/
PF Al/Rolle/Benson
C Dalembert/Collins/Thabeet
Sign Dalembert for that close to $6 million.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 11th, 2011
3:08 am
If I was the DASG and I really wanted to increase my revenue stream, I would offer Joe, Al, and the 2012 and 2014 1st rounders for Dwight and Turkoglu, with no requirement of a Dwight extension. I doubt that another team is going to give Orlando a much better deal than that, unless the Lakers give them Gasol and Bynum. It certainly trumps Brook Lopez and 2 1st rounders, which is what New Jersey offered them.
If Dwight doesn’t stay, the Hawks amnesty Turkoglu, trade Smoove, and get a jump start on rebuilding, which isn’t such a bad thing considering the current team doesn’t really have much of a chance of seriously contending anyway.
if Dwight does stay — which he very well might after a year playing in his hometown next to Smoove — this team is suddenly more relevant than it ever has been in this city.
Either way, Dwight for one year would be the best player this team has had since Dominique Wilkins, make the Hawks a serious Eastern Conference contender (which they currently are not, no matter how optimistic certain posters on here may be), and maybe just as important, increase fan interest in the team.
The more I think about it, considering the lackluster history of this team, even with no Dwight commitment to an extension, a dice roll like that is not a bad idea. As far as fan interest is concerned, even if Dwight leaves and the team goes into rebuilding mode, it’s not like fan interest is going to be that much lower than it is now, and for one year it will be considerably higher than usual. More importantly, it may change the way this organization is perceived, which is currently not very good.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 11th, 2011
3:11 am
Bottom line is as long as this core is here, we pretty much know what we are getting, regardless of what supporting pieces they bring in. That isn’t necessarily such a bad thing — I am not in favor of blowing up the core just for the sake of blowing it up, or trading a core piece for some other good-but-not-great player just for the hell of it — but I am in favor of blowing up the core if it means bringing in a real superstar. Right now, the Hawks have the assets to at least make a solid attempt at doing so.
superiorblogman
December 11th, 2011
3:15 am
Davenport: You can’t amnesty someone that you trade for. So, the Hawks can’t amnesty Turk if they were to get him in a trade. Amnesty is only for players currently on your roster coming out of the lockout.
MattP
December 11th, 2011
3:44 am
” Drew has always shown a willingness to play young guys early, as opposed to Woody,”
This is a lie, Teague is a good example. Drew is still afraid to give Teague minutes, the only reason he brings him out is because he has to. It would not surprise me if Drew find someone new to start over Teague. Many people can tell you that Teague has been ready to get more minutes but Drew never gave it to him until the Bulls playoff, because he had to.
Buddy Grizzard
December 11th, 2011
4:04 am
“If Dwight doesn’t stay, the Hawks amnesty Turkoglu…” – Najeh
You can’t amnesty a player you traded for. Amnesty provision only applies to players that were under contract with a team at the time that the CBA was signed. Thus, ORL wants no part of trading for Joe because they wouldn’t be able to amnesty him. If he’s traded from the Hawks, the full duration of his contract will count against the salary cap of the team that trades for him. Only the Hawks can amnesty Joe.
Buddy Grizzard
December 11th, 2011
4:06 am
My bad missed superior’s post above.
EmirS.
December 11th, 2011
4:24 am
“I know that there is one player in particular that I need to go up against” – Jason Collins
That is exactly what I’m saying. He is here for only one purpose and that is to defend Dwight Howard. And again, what do we do with him if Dwight actually leaves the Eastern Conference.
Secondly, why the hell are we interested in Arenas!? What has he proven for us to want him backing up Teague? If we SOMEHOW, get Arenas….watch Drew start him over Teague.
I saw Najeh’s link to Crawford’s tweet. Wtf we’re we thinking of not resigning Damien Wilkins? We’ve become the laughing stock of the NBA. Sigh, atleast we’re still a playoff team. And don’t try to quote my last sentence and come up with some pessimistic smartass response. We ARE a playoff team….just not that good of one.
Grandad
December 11th, 2011
4:49 am
Amnesty
We may be looking at this amnesty all wrong.
Most people say;
save it and use it on Joe in a couple of years,
when he’s beginning to decline.
That’s a logical and rational theory.
However, if the Hawks are gonna use it on Joe
-eventually- then; why not right now ?
Hear me out. [northcyde - this is not anti Joe]
1st of all if Joe is not in our long term plans,
then surely we must not rid ourselves of;
younger, less expensive, longer term assets,
such as Al and Josh via trade in the meantime.
Currently the cash strapped ASG is unwilling to make any
significant moves toward a championship due to a restriction
on moving into the lux tax.
To amnesty Joe would open a plethora of options
to a forward thinking GM. The 1st being the acquisition
of a championship caliber Big. 1-B or 2nd would be to
re-sign or S & T Jamal. Then finish by luring Billups on board
for a # of reasons:
*fan appeal / *SuperStar / *Leadership / ;
heck, I might even make him player coach just to entice him
to the ATL. — I would make the Hawks his team.
This is nothing against Joe really.
But a re-shaping of the team w/o blowing it up.
Josh, Al, Teague, Billups @ the [2], (perhaps a healthy Marv)
A legit Big, T-Mac, VladRad, Jamal or the resulting returns,
Zaza, Collins, Kito and the usual suspects …
our forthcoming 1st rounder in 2012,
Now … all of a sudden … we have a young, entertaining
roster – mixed with savvy veterans – that actually present
we fans with some hope for the future.
My point being:
Why wait until Josh and Al age or get traded
or leave from frustration.
Only to hang on to Joe for a couple of years.
Go ahead and cut the cord now
while these young’uns can still be salvaged.
While this roster can be massaged and manipulated into a
true championship contender.
Right now I sense frustration from you guys
as I know my own vexation increases not only
from year to year, but now it’s becoming day to day.
I suppose we all need a bit of petroleum jelly after the constant chafing
we’ve received from the ASG. [yeah let's just call it chafing okay].
tyger
December 11th, 2011
5:17 am
Ignorance is rampant….
Teague lucky to be in NBA…
Teague cant hold Arena’s jock…
Teague will never earn a max contract…
Teague is Mario West…
Arenas better than Teague on one leg…
Arenas is a combo guard, he can play both well…
Arenas shoots lights out…
Arenas’ hoops IQ higher, makes players better…
Teague is faster, younger and maybe better defender
Hawks with Arenas, McGrady, Radmonavic, Stackhouse could be dangerous. Hawks have never had 5 tool players other than JJ. Hawks core has been limited they either, couldnt shoot, dribble or pass, could only go one way, clumsy, etc. We finally have guys with the whole package, it’ll be interesting b/c of their high IQs, they make others better, i.e. lots of easy shots. And they are shotmakers too. I like it. Moreover, their age keeps us from becoming too relient upon them, so they dont impede the progress of the youngsters.
But if Teague is outplayed, then Drew is right to sit his a$$ down, why should we lose games b/c this kid isnt ready after 3 yrs? He was a bad pick, both Acie Law and Salim were better. We cant get caught up into ego, we’ve got to go with the best players.
Big Ray
December 11th, 2011
6:04 am
Zzzzzzzzzz…..zzzzzzzz….zzzzzzzzz….
The sound heard coming from the Hawks’ front office…
Meanwhile CP3 must think he’s slipped into the fourth or fifth circle of hell in Dante’s Inferno.
vava74
December 11th, 2011
6:20 am
Najeh:
“If they got him, the next logical step would be to dump Kirk’s expiring contract, and depending on how much they paid Billups and what they got in return for Kirk they may end up saving money in such a transaction.”
Did you watch Billups last year? He was ALL OFFENSE. Kind of a Bibby/Jamal redux with just about everyone passing by him AT WILL.
Nothing wrong about him being a combo guard to cover for Teague and Hinrich but not at the expense of any of the two and their playing time.
Billups right now brings ZERO D and is prone to shooting the rock even when passing is warranted.
vava74
December 11th, 2011
6:57 am
And don’t get me started on Horford being the guy who looks/is in worse shape…
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
7:21 am
Tragic!
“So now that Lakers has pull out of the CPIII races, looks like Clippers is in the running, do y’all think that the Hawks might get into the race again.” -Neki-
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Do we really want a player who clearly wants to be somewhere else on our team? Didn’t CP3 say he was going to sue the NBA? I mean, do we need another lawsuit filed in this town, giving how often the ASKG motions?
“Get Into the race again.”
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Uggh … Did I miss something? When were the Hawks ever in the race for CP3? Oh well, I got my popcorn ready – this is one hella show. Billups maybe? He could really help us, problem is Teague really earned a look after his performance last play offs and Billups said he doesn’t want to be the glue guy on a team. I say Teague is the future at point, until he proves otherwise.
Being a Real GM is not as easy as it looks. I would not want that job.
Big Ray
December 11th, 2011
7:24 am
Hilarious….so everybody else “lost weight”, and Al “isn’t in optimal shape.”
Funny how that turns into “everybody is in great shape, and Al is in terrible shape.”
Whatever. Seems most people missed the part about the likelihood that he’ll be just fine come opening night.
Even funnier how we signed Jason Collins to play against ONE guy in the League, and now that guy may not be in our conference when the games start.
Ah, to be a Hawks fan…
Big Ray
December 11th, 2011
7:26 am
Far less worried about Horford’s “optimal game shape” than I am about his mental approach. It won’t matter a whit if he’s in the best shape of his life, if he isn’t/won’t commit to banging and playing tough down low. I already know Josh isn’t. He lost weight so he could play the 3 more, something I’m sure took absolutely NO encouragement from Al….
KevinM
December 11th, 2011
7:28 am
“Najeh Davenpoop
December 11th, 2011
1:01 am
I wonder if Khloe likes Dallas better than New Orleans”
Najeh, you know good and well no Kardashian is leaving the bright lights for podunk Dallas? You saw where Kris Humphries tried to talk Kim K. into 2 things: 1) Changing her last name 2) Moving to Minnesota where he was comfortable.
It ain’t happenin! The Odoms will not survive this as 1. (Man, I’ve spending too much time on the keyboard)
“G-Dad
However, if the Hawks are gonna use it on Joe
-eventually- then; why not right now ?”
G-Daddy, I wish that were an option here with this ownership group. I suggested Joe a couple of weeks ago to clear up the options for this group. Memo to Sund: we know how far Joe will take us..you are too ignorant to see the same thing.
You where Gilbert, Richard J, & Chauncey are victims of amnesty. Good moves on each organization’s part to improve their roster. Billups was not wanted in NY all along….
Now if you expect the ASG to ride in on a horse or Marta (what a visual that would be!), you would be wasting your thought process. This group doesn’t think on the norm. The fan base is more creative than the entire management structure of the Atlanta Spirit LLC….
Remember some of their creative ideas:
1) Buying both the Thrashers and Hawks illegally
2) Sleeping with Steve Belkin
3) Hiring the NBA’s resident genius “William R. Knight (Billy, Bill, Mooney)”…ok, go with Mooney!
4) Trading with Phoenix for Joe Johnson, which became Woody and fan fav Boris Diaw and 2 #1s which became PG Rajon Rondo (”Why does anyone ever need one of these?”-Mooney) and one of the Lopez twins…(father’s name is George?) IMO, the NBA came out ahead in that deal!
5) The resignation of Mooney allows this franchise to move to ‘quicksand’ state with the hiring of lifetime achievement award winner Rick Sund, 5/28/08. Damba, it has been a long 3.5 years with Sund!
6) Marketing blitz – flash forward to 2010 – selling Kobe jerseys in the Philips store is a brilliant move as Bibby jerseys aren’t moving like they used to.
I cut to the present quickly because this was getting way to bogged down…my point was, when has the ASG EVER good consistent decisions? You can probably count them on one hand.
We can’t preach common sense in making moves for this organization. It has to be the least best scenario in our favor, and it probably begins to make sense.
Rick Sund, I know you have minions reading this, and for each example, you are crossing that idea off your list. MC, is it possible to keep the Hawks brass off your blog?
I am not blaming one person here; I am here to blame the entire structure that calls themselves the Atlanta Spirit Group LLC. How can we continue to support this pack of morons? I badly want this team to do well, but it’s like someone talking to Bobby Cox….that dog isn’t showing any new tricks. The mistakes will continue to surmount until they drown in idgit decisions.
They can’t even put a sale together and get the HEY out of town. They have to stick around, take the team off the market, and subject us to more poor decisions.
Ok, rant over, back to basketball………I feel better…….
The only 1/2 way rational decision would be to amnesty Marvin. You know 100% what you are getting here and what you will be getting for 3 more frickin’ years…..excuses as to why his production keeps dropping off. When you start suggesting that T-Mac as a drastic measure can come in and take Marvin’s minutes (guys, Josh already took the majority of those minutes, now T-Mac is going to get the rest?), you know its time to stick a fork in him. Marvin is the 6th option on a 5 man roster.
A logical decision but providing this to an illogical group makes sense to the entire fan base, but not to those who are making the decision. In other words, the ASG sees this as going into the luxury tax because they still pay Marvelous 23M for his departure.
It ain’t happenin, no matter what windfall the ASG comes into. But keep those ideas comin’…the ones you don’t suggest will be more likely to happen.
Prediction: Damien Wilkens becomes Detroit’s defensive POY….
KevinM
December 11th, 2011
7:38 am
Flashback to May/2008:
“We have a great nucleus of players, and while we have some work ahead of us, there’s tremendous potential and continued growth with the guys on this roster,” Sund said.
How many moves have happened to the ‘nucleus’? On one hand?
Joe is a 1%er.
December 11th, 2011
7:39 am
sign Billips so we won’t get stuck playing the unproven Teague. NY will pay the difference in salary. Then ECF here we come/
KevinM
December 11th, 2011
7:40 am
Forget CP3, the Lakers are going after D12……
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
7:41 am
FIRE SUND
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
7:59 am
Enter your comments hereSMH @ HORFORD BEING THE ONE GUY OUT OF SHAPE
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
8:12 am
Question: if we sign someone who was amnestied and the former team pays the difference, what difference does that make financially for the player? Why wouldn’t Chauncey just sign somewhere for minimum to screw over NUK and make them pay 13m or so? Would love MC or someone else to answer
KevinM
December 11th, 2011
8:38 am
GJeJe, cosign that thought… I remember Michael Finley signing with the Spurs for the vet minimum, leaving Cuban with the huge dinner tab.
This article talks about our albatross contract that is Joe and each teams’ potential amnesty candidate…..strange, no mention of Marvelous..
http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-vs-nbapa/a/The-Nba-Cba-Amnesty-Rule-And-The-Leagues-Worst-Contracts.htm
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
8:41 am
Amnesty!
“Why wouldn’t Chauncey just sign somewhere for minimum to screw over NUK and make them pay 13m or so? Would love MC or someone else to answer”
- Grandmaster JeJe- (I’m in love with this guy).
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Being amnestied, Billups will be on a waiver system. All other 29 teams with cap space get’s first crack at him. The team with, say, 5M under the cap, can claim him or pass him to the next team, say at 4M and so forth down to the lowest cap space available.
Let’s say, Billups clears all those teams and is not claimed, then he becomes essentially, unwanted and an RFA. Meaning, New York would then need to consider a straight up buy out of his contract, (see Rip Hamilton). Once that happens, Billups is an UFA and can go anywhere he pleases, Even for the vet min, because he is already paid, (see guaranteed salary) from the Knicks who owned him previously.
Either way, New York is paying him to just go away. Billups nay very well clear all those available cap friendly teams that don’t desperately need an aged PG past his prime.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
9:01 am
Denigrated!
The way I view the amnesty tool is this:
First of all, it is an insult to the humanity of a man. What if someone told you, “I own you and don’t want you anymore, therefore, I will auction you off of the court house steps to the highest bidder and pay the difference of your contracted worth – to just go away?”
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As a human, how would that make you feel? It is the essence of slavery – IMHO.
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To preserve the dignity of a man, and if that is the way you fell as an owner of a man? Why not just go to that man in private and offer him a quiet, respectable, hand shake driven contract buy out! Because ultimately and out of. Respect, IF the amnesty brings you here anyway? Why not kust got there from the start.
This is the equivalent of a proven or unproven mass murderer, taking a plea deal to avoid the death penalty or a circus trial, because he knows all the cards are stacked against him.
Not only that, the prosecutor/owner of this man saves the victims family and city tax payers money by not going to trial on a slam dunk win.
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Amnesty is unnecessary in most cases – IMHO.
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
9:04 am
Chauncey Billup would be a great addition with Hawks, plus bring him in with a championship ring to show off for Josh, Joe, Horford and rest of the team, him teaching Teague on how play point plus leader ship.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yodaddybrother
December 11th, 2011
9:10 am
Michael Redd
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
9:11 am
Can the Hawks bring in Biedrins ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
Rufus1
December 11th, 2011
9:19 am
This is comedy
“To review: Mark Cuban blocks a trade for the Lakers to get Chris Paul, then inserts his team into conversations and winds up with Lamar Odom, using the trade exception he gained from letting his center go, which will allow the Lakers to pursue the best center in the league.” -Matt Moore (Probasketballtalk.com)
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
9:22 am
2011 ATALANTA HAWKS
STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, BIEDRINS
BENCH CHAUNCEY, HINRICH, TMAC, MARVIN, ZAZA
RESERVE PAPE, COLLINS
STREET CLOTHES BENSON, VLADMIR
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ken Strickland
December 11th, 2011
9:38 am
Exactly what has so many of you convinced that we need to acquire a championship caliber center like DHoward or TChandler in order to get past the semifinals? The Dwight Howard led Magic made it to the 08-09 NBA finals and lost. They followed that up with an Eastern Conference Finals elimination in 09-10, and ended the 10/11 season with a 6gm semifinals elimination to the Hawks.
Since the 08/09 season, he hasn’t been leading the Magic towards a championship, but farther away from one. What makes anyone think he’d be able to lead a depleted Hawks team(we’d have to give up 2-3 starters to get the trade done)farther than he’s led the Magic the last 2yrs?
And what’s all the uproar about TChandler being some kind of savior?
Even though he’s over 7″, here are his numbers compared to our current center AHorford. Chandler(Horford).
REBs-9.4/9.3, BLKs-1.08/1.04, ASTs-.4/3.5, SCORING-10.1/15.3, STLs-.49/77, DOUBLE DOUBLES-18/36.
Looks to me like the Allstar center we already have is the better of the 2, and he still has room for improvement. What we really need in order to get to the next level, or get to or past the Eastern Conference Finals, is IMPROVED DEF, especially our perimeter DEF, and improvement on our bench. The speed, quickness, penetrating ability and DEF that PG JTeague brings will be an automatic improvement to our starting lineup and perimeter DEF.
He’ll close the BIG BLACK HOLE that’s been our perimeter DEF every since MBibby has been our starting PG, and JCrawford has been his primary backup. I see TMac giving us more offensive consistency and versatility than we got from Jamal, although I don’t see him scoring as many pts.
His ability to rebound, play much better DEF, as well as facilitate much better than Jamal, should make him more effective overall than Jamal was. Having Twin, in top condition, Zaza, Benson, and his shot blocking ability, along with ARolle, will give us more frontline size and depth than either the Heat, Bulls or Magic.
Unlike the Bulls, we don’t have to look for a scoring SG, and unlike the Magic, we don’t have to look for a scoring SF and/or PF, or a backup center. Miami is in a unique situation. They need a shooting PG with 3pt range that can defend his position, and doesn’t need the ball in his hands. Teams with quick fast PGs gave Miami fits. They’re also still vulnerable to decent zone DEFs that keeps them out of the lane and forces them to become jumpshooters.
The Hawks should have a good season and strong playoff run, barring any major and prolonged injuries to key players of course.
brigadierjerry
December 11th, 2011
9:38 am
MC, any truth to the Knicks interested in Jamal Crawford?
doc
December 11th, 2011
10:11 am
as i said earlier the amnesty only helps the rich. knicks can afford the risk of 13 milion, the hawks wont be in that position ever to risk paying someone for no production. cba only helps the wealthy as they can figure ways around paying taxes like this.
doc
December 11th, 2011
10:17 am
remember all the feel good stuff that stern and the nba were selling during the all star game on new irleans a few years ago?
Michael Cunningham
December 11th, 2011
10:20 am
blog updates.
@brigjerry: see earlier update re: Knicks.
Rufus1
December 11th, 2011
10:27 am
Defensive Efficiency will improve…..
Last year the Hawks were 14th in defensive efficiency, with Bibby and Jamal playing 30min a game. Now substitute those players with Teague(Super quick), T-mac(6′9), Sy(6′7 and very quick) and Kirk(very solid defender).
I don’t care about the regular season, I only care about the playoffs and we will be better this year.
http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/defensive-efficiency
Prediction: The Hawks will be top 5 in defensive efficiency this year and we will be a better offensively than the Bulls.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 11th, 2011
10:33 am
Ken Strickland championship caliber centers usually play under 30 minutes so they can be fresh to defend and rebound.
Dwight is a freak of nature minutes wise. And he CARRIED that team’s offense and defense.
Tyson Chandler’s WS/48 or amount of Games he Won by HIMSELF per 48 minutes was (21%).
Dirk, a 7′0 Kobe-esque shooter, was (21%).
Horford was 18% in 09-10 and plateaued last year due to low free throw rate, Give me an elite defender and rebounder (Bogut), lower his minutes to keep him fresh (Tyson Chandler) and then fill in the gaps with elite size and perimeter shooting (Johnson, Leuer) and elite wing defenders (Smith, Teague).
Horford is not an elite shot creator or rim protector. Hes not a fluid perimeter player.
He just stays at the elbow like a stockier version of Chris Bosh.
The elite centers should effect the game w/o the ball in their hands. In fact the more they touch it the worse their offensive rating becomes. The more you rely on your best rebounder (center) actually scoring in isolation the slower your scoring rate is and the more likely you’ll lose.
Perkins, Chandler, and Bynum averaged like 6 points in his title runs. How do you measure defense and self sacrifice? Defensive rating per 100 possessions? REB %? Easy for these talented 7 footers.
If you want to compare Tyson Chandler and Al Horford’s regular season stats then modify Horfords regular season stats to per 28 minutes. Because thats what Tyson plays 28 minutes per game. As does Bynum or Perkins. As should Bogut.
Even easier we already have rebounding % and shooting % etc.
All your showing by comparing is that Horford cant carry an offense and pads his stats with extra minutes. Which we knew already from Eyewitness 4 year Playoff Samples.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
10:41 am
MC
WTH is the problem with this management regarding cracking into this “core”?
Outside of Joe, (see contract or, not) Is Josh, AL, Marvin, Kirk, Teague and ZaZa really that untouchable? And why?
What is the real problem here?
Can we get a press conference to address the fan base and, tell us what is the vision for this team? Why should we keep buying season tickets to see: Ground Hog Day – over and over? I can recite the lines of this movie verbatum!
Drake might be SOFT Najeh – But, They Know!
I just threw my popcorn on the floor!!!!!!!!
B dog
December 11th, 2011
10:47 am
why dont we amnesty marvin or kirk and go after Nene for about 8 or 9 millon a year
starting line-up
-teague
-joe
-smith
-horford
-nene
sixthman will be T-mac
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 11th, 2011
10:50 am
Rufus 1
From last year.
Chicago – Boston – Orlando – Miami – Philadelphia – Indiana
Thats only the East. You think the Hawks will be top 5 defensively in the LEAGUE? Josh Smith is our rim protector. And he’s 6′8. Loony bin.
I could care less about regular season rankings.. This is what that jagoff Sund has made the team come playoffs.
Teague
*Johnson
Smith
*Radmanovic
Horford
I would not be surprised to see Horford benched with 2 early ones and then Zaza comes in and we win.
Its either go big with Josh and find a stretch 4 and center for Horford. Or go big and find a good center for Josh and live with Marvin Williams matched up on the elites at SF.
At this point Horford is not needed and provides more value in trade than the value his point forward skills & rebounding brings on the court.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
10:52 am
TKO!
It only took 90 seconds and (2) Yo Mamma jokes to knock that fool, (JJM) out. I guess that makes me Mike Tyson, (ii eat kids). Don’t mess with me.
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OK, I’ve been evil for the past day or so … But, the root of the problem is not PMS – I’m just a bytch and really irritated about this same ‘ole ownership group.
How dare they, (ASKG) bring their collective azzes to the ATL and sit, squat, not rain $ – on our parade. If these owners can’t respect the ATL? Then do us all a huge favor and leave us alone!
I vote to AMNESTY the ASKG! We will PAY them to leave!
I will personally buy out the entire Arena – IF they would just leave! This is the richest FA period with the most good pieces around for seven teams to upgrade and become contending. The Hawks leading the pack! Where is Jimmy Johnson when you need him?
KevinM
December 11th, 2011
10:54 am
From this day forward, until we get another PG, that will be tough for Teague to do on his own.
Give the guy 35-40 minutes, but the kid will need a break. If he goes down for any amount of time, even if 2 games, we can kiss away any W’s.
There are no wins on this team without Teague getting major minutes in every game.
John
December 11th, 2011
10:54 am
Joe and Marvin will have big bounce back years with Jamal gone. He was a great player but I actually think there could be some improvement with him leaving. Jamal would only take minutes away from Teague because Drew would insist on playing Jamal at PG with Joe at SG. When they are in the game together the offense becomes incredibly stagnant because they both go isolation so much. Also Jamal is terrible defender, so the defense should be improved. If McGrady can score some, I think he will fit in nicely. I really think this ends up being a positive. I think if Jamal was resigned everyone would be questioning it after one year kind of like the last Bibby deal. I think Joe’s PPG will go up to about 23-24 and Marvin’s will go up to about 14 PPG.
KevinM
December 11th, 2011
10:57 am
Now the Bulls want to play monopoly with D12:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217363/Sources_Bulls_Will_Pursue_Howard
That 3 team jargon is just a smokescreen.
John
December 11th, 2011
10:58 am
Am I correct in thinking that you still have to pay players that are you amnesty until someone else picks them up and you still have to pay part of their salary. The salary just doesn’t go towards the salary cap? I heard the Spurs will still have to pay Jefferson a good bit.
KevinM
December 11th, 2011
10:59 am
“We wouldn’t be who we are if we don’t take a look around all 29 teams and try to make the best deal for the Orlando Magic,” Smith said.
Otis my man, you are about to seal your fate as a GM if you don’t get the best of this trade.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
11:00 am
Empty Feelings!
“why dont we amnesty marvin or kirk and go after Nene for about 8 or 9 millon a year” -BDog-
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Great question? Why not?
KevinM
December 11th, 2011
11:02 am
JC1 to NY………..when was the last time you remember a player returning to his old team? Kidd withe Mavs comes to mind.
I can’t imagine it working out any better the 2nd time around. JC1 must have some real value in his 1 dimensional game.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
11:02 am
“why dont we amnesty marvin or kirk and go after Nene for about 8 or 9 millon a year” -BDog-
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Wouldnt we still be over the cap at 60m or so?
i_am_soulstar
December 11th, 2011
11:02 am
Sounds like the Knicks are trying to do Toney Douglas, Balkman, & someone else for Crawford. Whether it goes through or not (probably not), that Knicks team is gonna have no depth this year. Although I would love to have Toney Douglas here.
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
11:03 am
Blog monster killed my response to Grandad using the amnesty. I have to see where the problem is now.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
11:04 am
I’d say ZaZa is untouchable. Won’t get a better backup than him. Get rid of Smoove if he takes one jumpshot this year
AMNESTY ASG
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
11:04 am
Grandad . . the reason why you wait to amnesty JJ ( if it comes to that ), is to get MAXIMUM VALUE from that amnesty.
Using it right now reduces our payroll to around 50 million. That’s still not far enough under the cap to make a major play for most of these top notch or even 2nd tier free agents. Patience is what is needed when using this amnesty.
We simply need to wait until some of our bad mid-level contracts come off the board ( namely Marvin and Zaza , . even add Hinrich to that mix ) before using the amnesty. The Knicks using it on Billups just shows how silly that franchise is. If Amare goes down with knee problems, that team may be screwed for many years in the future.
The amnesty should be used as an insurance policy, not a food stamp.
The summer of 2013 is when you consider using it, if you’re the Hawks. By that time, we’ll have a clear indication of what the future of this team will be. In the summer of 2013
- Josh Smith will either have his extension, or be an unrestricted free agent
- Marvin will be going into the last year of his contract ( 7.5 million )
- Teague will be a restricted free agent, and will be receiving offer sheets
- Joe will be making 21.47 million going into 2013 – 14
Unless a major trade happens amongst the core in the next two years, the summer of 2013 is the crossroads year for the Hawks.
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
11:05 am
The problem with most Hawk fans is that they completely undervalue JJ, despite viewing what happens during the playoffs. The question I’ve always asked is . . . when JJ has a bad game, why can’t someone else step up and be big time ( namely Smith or Horford )?
The answer is that in most cases, they don’t have the ability to step up and be big time, and lead the team. I hate to break that to some of you, but they simply don’t have that ability.
Najeh’s idea is much better. If you want to bring in a superstar, you trade 2 of the core players to get Dwight here. It could be JJ + AL . . JJ + Smith . . or Smith + Al. It really doesn’t matter to me which 2 you would trade. But that’s the type of game changing move that a REAL franchise would do, in order to get a superstar like that.
trade JJ + AL, here is your team
PG – Teague
G – T-Mac
F – Marvin
PF – Smith
C – Howard
Trade JJ and Smith for Howard, this is your team
PG – Teague
G – T-Mac
F – Marvin
PF – Horford
C – Howard
Trade Smith and Al for Howard, and this is your team
PG – Teague
G – Johnson
F – Marvin
PF – Zaza
C – Howard
And with all of these moves, you STILL keep the amnesty in play, just in case you do need to use it later on.
And I agree with Najeh. I would trade for Howard even if I didn’t have a guarantee that he would re-sign with the Hawks. Who knows? We get to the NBA Finals or win a title in Atlanta with Howard here, and he MIGHT want to stay, instead of going to the Jay-Z Nets or Kobe Lakers. I would basically go to Orlando and say . . which of our two stars do you want? And no, we’re not taking Turkoglu in a trade. We’ll give you 2 of our stars for Howard.
Of course, I’m rolling with the trade Al + Smith option, and keep a potential good backourt of JJ + Teague + Hinrich in play . . along with adding the most dominant big man in the game.
Howard > Smith + Al.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
11:14 am
Dallas lost Caron Tyson and DeShawn. They added Vince and Odom. Good additions and if Haywood is healthy this team is set. What a brilliant front office.
The team won a ring WITHOUT Caron and Haywood. Just like Lakers without Bynum mostly those 2 years in the Playoffs
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
11:18 am
Chicago definitely has trading pieces. Boozer lives in Orlando too I think
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
11:23 am
I dont normally tip my hat to bloggers, because I think most of you dont have a clue and you blog because you lonely lives have no meaning. I can tell because you blog thirty times on 1 page as if you have some earth shattering development that is being revealed and you are the only one with access to the story, so you us keeping us looped in.
But it seem to me Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut has a clue. If you follow I get the impression that he understands the game a lot better than your average arm chair point guard blogger. Ive learned to scroll past the “usual suspects” and look for bloggers with some sense, whose ambition is not to produce page long vomit, or diuretic utterances, but to key in on where the hawks are and what will make them better.
I tip my hat at you Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut, you get my keeping it real award for not succumbing to the “usual suspect” , and having the courage to stand for something in this P. Barnum Bailey of the deaf dumb and blind.
Thanks for keeping it real
Cheers.
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
11:25 am
northcyde – another great post. Thanks Im tracking.
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
11:27 am
what about giving up Al and JJ keep Crawford in JJ’s spot and then you have
Teague
Crawford
T Mac
Smith
Howard.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
11:28 am
Soul Food!
“Sounds like the Knicks are trying to do Toney Douglas, Balkman, & someone else for Crawford.” – I_am_soulstar -
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I would not approve of the ASKG paying into the Luxury Tax for any of those scrubs just to help Jamal get paid. Like I said last night:
Jamal needs the Hawks more than we need him, we have one spot left and no money to help Hamal’s cause. We have to look at moving some key pieces now, if we identify a super star player that we want. Heck, for that matter, a grade C player even.
Would you trade Josh or AL for Toney Douglas and filler? Hell, we already got more filler than the Bic Pen Company.
Rufus1
December 11th, 2011
11:33 am
@Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer
Yes, I do think we will be to 5 in defensive efficiency. Great perimeter defenders prevent players from getting to the rim. Jamal and Bibby put a great deal of pressure on the front line to protect the rim and rebound.
The common theme of all of those teams is a young athletic PG(except the Magic.) and we now have on of those players. The defensive flaw has always been the same(Dribble Penetration), and that problem destroys the defensive integrity. Stopping dribble penetration will force more jumpers and allow our long wing players to be more effective.
This is now a defensive team and that will be the key to our success.
PS. We were 28th in points per game last year.
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
11:35 am
I forgot to tell you all, but I just failed my Pre-Algebra exam and my Mother is very Mad at me. Time to go mow the lawn.
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
11:35 am
Big Dog . . if the Hawks are willing to go over the Tax . . yeah, you can do that too. But now I’m not sure if Jamal even wants to come back here now, even if we made that move. But yeah, you could definitely make that move.
NOTE:
To make a JJ + Smith or Horford deal work, the Magic would have to throw in a player like JJ Redick. I wouldn’t take Hedo Turkoglu, I’d make them give us Redick. Add 2 first round draft picks + JJ + Horford . . . for Howard and Redick
To make a Smith + Horford deal work, the Magic would have to throw in a guy like Ryan Anderson. 2 first round draft picks + Smith + Horford . . for Howard and Anderson.
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
11:35 am
*your
*so you are keeping us looped – December 11th, 2011,11:23 am
You guys must consider that Howard has said that the only way he comes to Atlanta is if Josh stays, so you can throw out the scenarios that involve Josh. He is part of the reason that hed consider the Hawks.
Thats his buddy and part of our attempt to lure him here.
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
11:36 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=86tngp5
CAN ASG PULL THIS TRADE OFF, THE HAWKS WOULD WIN A TITLE.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
ryan
December 11th, 2011
11:36 am
I like that trade northcyde the only problem is Howard said the only way he play for hometown team is if Josh Smith on it .
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
11:37 am
Not me, just a hater, by the way, imitation is the greatest form of flattery. So thanks for the impersonation.
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
11:35 am
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
11:42 am
Cap Room!
“Wouldnt we still be over the cap at 60m or so?”
- Grandmaster JeJe -
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70M is the cap, but its a little soft. I believe you can go like 10% – ? over that, (700K)? before you have to pay any tax.
I think the new tax is $1.50 per $1.00 over, that’s some serious loan shark-ing right there. (correct me if I’m wrong)
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
11:42 am
By the way . . this would be Orlando’s team if the following trades happened
JJ + Al coming to Orlando
PG – Nelson
G – Johnson
F – Richardson ( who was just re-signed )
PF – Big Baby
C – Horford
JJ + Smith coming to Orlando
PG – Nelson
G – Johnson
F – Richardson
PF – Smith
C – free agent center or Daniel Orton
Big Baby would be 6th man
Smith + Horford going to Orlando
PG – Nelson
G – Richardson
F – Turkoglu
PF – Smith
C – Horford
Big Baby 6th man
I guess if you’re Orlando, you may want the 1st team if you wanted to win now . . . and maybe the 3rd team if you wanted to build for the future. But if you could find a decent center, that 2nd team would be very interesting.
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
11:43 am
We should sign Jamal and Deandre Jordan. Sign Chauncey and Arenas too.
lineup:
Teague Joe Marvin Josh Al
Chauncey Hinrich Arenas McGrady DeAndre ZaZa
Get it done Sund!!!!
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
11:43 am
STARTERS TEAGUE, REDICK, JOSH, ZAZA,HOWARD
BENCH HINRICH, PAPE, TMAC, MARVIN, COLLINS
RESERVE VLAD, BENSON
GO HAWKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
11:46 am
Drmaryb,
I thought the cap is 58 and LT is 70 or so???
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
11:47 am
Darrell,
Great trade
JOE AND AL FOR DWIGHT AND REDICK
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
11:48 am
AMNESTY ASG
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
11:48 am
Actually its that time of the month right now and big dog is bothering me so im using his name right now. I don’t like him. He must be talking about me as the usual suspect.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
11:50 am
Do that trade for Dwight and pray Marvin and TMac will contribute.
I like the trade
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
11:51 am
Big Dog . . . Howard currently has NO SAY in where he’ll end up. He can only suggest where he would LIKE to go. Orlando can accept any deal from any team though, and Howard ( at least for this year ) would have to go to that team. It just wouldn’t be for certain that the team that traded for Howard could keep him long term.
Like I said . . even if the Hawks lose him in the summer of 2012, I’d be willing to risk him playing in Atlanta for one year ( preferably with Joe Johnson here ). Give us that inside – outside game that is the staple of most championship teams, and see if he wants to stay at the end of the year.
Worst case scenario is that Howard leaves, and we can decide whether or not to trade or amnesty JJ right then and there, and rebuild the team. Losing Howard + amnestying JJ would put the Hawks damn near 40 MILLION under the cap, with only Marvin, Zaza, and Teague under contract.
Best case scenario is that Howard wins an NBA title in his home city . . and arguably becomes the most beloved sports figure in Atlanta history. And then he may decide to re-sign with Atlanta, with the NEW CORE of Howard – Johnson – Teague – Marvin intact for another title run.
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
11:52 am
If the Hawks get Howard sell out crowd almost every night, if you ASG why not make a push for Howard the hometown kid, would be the best business move ever for this organiztion.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
11:53 am
Only problem is ORL resigned J.Rich and are paying Arenas a ton to not be there.
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
11:53 am
Im sorry you feel that way Drmaryb, I Ive made my points, you are free to puppet my blog names as you will. I have a life and will go on to have a great day. I hope you have one as well.
I dont agree with the blog you posted under my name@
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
11:43 am
We should sign Jamal and Deandre Jordan. Sign Chauncey and Arenas too.
lineup:
Teague Joe Marvin Josh Al
Chauncey Hinrich Arenas McGrady DeAndre ZaZa
Get it done Sund!!!!
Have a great day,
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
11:54 am
Grandmaster jeje I AGREE BROTHER.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
ryan
December 11th, 2011
11:57 am
I thought i saw on the ESPN ticker were Clippers will match any offer for Jordon unless he will be used for CP3 trade .
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
11:58 am
SHOUTOUT 2 DARRELL STARKS. PROBABLY THE MOST ENTHUSIASTIC AND OPTIMISTIC PERSON HERE
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
11:59 am
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=86tngp5
THIS WOULD THE BEST TRADE MAGIC COULD GET FOR HOWARD INCUDING THE LAKERS.
Sund should make this call ASAP.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
12:00 pm
Northcyde, I follow your logic, I dont mind taking the risk of what it takes to get Howard here as well. Id just like to create the best climate for his staying long term and he has made it vocally clear and the media/marketers like the pairing as well judging by all the commercials referencing the two.
I still like this line up:
Teague
Crawford
T Mac
J Smith
Howard.
I think thats a very very good team.
Right now my blog name is being misused and I can make better use of my time. Thanks for the feed back and great posts
Have a nice day.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
12:11 pm
They Know!
“drmaryb.[*_*].
Actually its that time of the month right now and big dog is bothering me so im using his name right now. I don’t like him. He must be talking about me as the usual suspect.
December 11th, 2011
11:48 am” – Silly Games -
______________
They know “Content reveals Character” -MLK, Jr-
Get a user I’d and use it! What a novel concept … Little Dog.
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
12:14 pm
Hawks payroll if Smith + Horford + two 1st round picks were traded for Dwight Howard and Ryan Anderson
PG – Teague: 1.58 million
G – Johnson: 18.04 million
F – Marvin: 7.5 million
PF – Zaza: 4.75 million
C – Howard: 17.89 million
G – Hinrich: 8 million
F – Anderson: 2.25 million
G – McGrady: 1.1 million?
F – Radmanovic: 1.1 million?
C – Collins: 1.1 million?
G – Sy: .79 million
F – Rolle: .79 million
C – Benson: .79 million?
Total payroll: approximately 65.7 million . . . and roughly 4 million under the TAX.
Am I missing somebody?
Melvin
December 11th, 2011
12:23 pm
Northcyde,
I’m on board with bring Howard back home. A few bones to throw at your trade proposals.
JJ- Do the Magic really want to take on his contract along with paying Gilbert amnesty contract without having the cash cow Dwight (or any other superstar) on the team?
ASG- Do you really think they would risk trading for Howard without assurance of him signing an extension or resigning at the end of the season.
Dwight- Chances of him playing with Josh may intrigue to come to ATL and influence him to resigning with ATL.
Side note:
Are the Magic hands really tied if they keep Dwight and let him become a FA at the end of the season? B/c the teams the Dwight are reported interest in Nets (sign Nene and resign Deron), Knicks, Bulls and Lakers will not have cap space to sign him. I think only the Mavs will have some cap space next summer but Cuban would probably prefer to do a S&T with the Magic to save some cap space to sign other players.
Zing
December 11th, 2011
12:25 pm
Hawks are smart to hold onto their amnesty option and not use it on a player like Marvin. They’re going to need to use it on Joe in a couple of years. Trust me.
ryan
December 11th, 2011
12:31 pm
That is why if Hawks are going to make a move for Howard they need to this year .
Melvin
December 11th, 2011
12:31 pm
Northcyde,
Just saw the that the Lakers have a team option on Bynum contract for next season so they may have enough cap space to sign Howard next season. So that threat may force the Magic hand to trade him this season.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 11th, 2011
12:31 pm
ORL is asking for Bynum and Pau or a rebuild. Josh and Horford though undersized are good enough to get you to the 5th seed. Like Sam Mitchell, and Rich Cho said its better to tank the season and get lotto picks than be a constant pretender.
Melvin
December 11th, 2011
12:37 pm
One source said the trade has a better than fifty-fifty chance of happening. The third team is under the cap and can inherit a player. Knicks guard Toney Douglas, a native of Atlanta, has been included in one scenario of the talks that began yesterday. New York Post
Melvin
December 11th, 2011
12:40 pm
The Knicks and Hawks were in active discussions today on a three-team sign-and-trade deal that would bring combo Jamal Crawford back to the club, according to an NBA source.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
12:42 pm
S&T proposal sucks. We need bigs
Melvin
December 11th, 2011
12:44 pm
I think it would be hard for the Hawks to match or beat a Lakers package of Bynum/Gasol and pick(s) for Howard….
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
12:50 pm
Melvin i agree, i didn’t see that one Bynum Gasol for Howard.
Dam!!!!!!!!!!
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Big Ray
December 11th, 2011
12:50 pm
I dont normally tip my hat to bloggers, because I think most of you dont have a clue and you blog because you lonely lives have no meaning. I can tell because you blog thirty times on 1 page as if you have some earth shattering development that is being revealed and you are the only one with access to the story, so you us keeping us looped in.
But it seem to me Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut has a clue. If you follow I get the impression that he understands the game a lot better than your average arm chair point guard blogger. Ive learned to scroll past the “usual suspects” and look for bloggers with some sense, whose ambition is not to produce page long vomit, or diuretic utterances, but to key in on where the hawks are and what will make them better.
I tip my hat at you Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut, you get my keeping it real award for not succumbing to the “usual suspect” , and having the courage to stand for something in this P. Barnum Bailey of the deaf dumb and blind.
Thanks for keeping it real
Cheers.
There is NOTHING funnier than somebody who blogs plenty, has much to say, can’t get past one particular subject, and then comes on here and points fingers at everybody else for doing the same thing he does.
Extreme Hypocrisy – it’s so beautiful and so entertaining. It should be an Olympic Sport. And I can think of a gold medalist in the waiting.
By the way, I knew it wasn’t the real Big Dog as soon as I read the words “Pre-Algebra”…..
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
12:52 pm
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bvelxcn
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
12:52 pm
@ Melvin
(( JJ- Do the Magic really want to take on his contract along with paying Gilbert amnesty contract without having the cash cow Dwight (or any other superstar) on the team? ))
It would depend on how much they valued JJ. And if we did a deal to bring Howard here, but gave them JJ and Horford, this is a pretty solid team that keeps them at playoff level for years to come
PG – Nelson
G – Johnson
F – Richardson
PF – Big Baby
C – Horford
But if JJ’s contract scares them, then no. And that’s why I’d send them Smith and Horford. Horford is locked up long term, but Smith’s contract expires in two years, giving them the option to either re-sign him or trade him for a better fitting piece
((( ASG- Do you really think they would risk trading for Howard without assurance of him signing an extension or resigning at the end of the season. )))
The ASG is a chicken-isht organization that is afraid to take risks. I would’ve taken a risk on Shaq last year, if that trade of Marvin for Shaq were true. Paying a box office attraction like Shaq 7 million to come to ATL, and giving some relief to Horford at center, would’ve been worth it in my opinion. Although Shaq ended up being broke down, that’s still a risk I would’ve taken . . and I wouldn’t have Marvin under contract right now.
So no . . I can’t see them possibly parting ways with Smith and Horford, knowing that if Dwight leaves that they’d have to rebuild the Hawks.
But heck, we’d own Howard’s “Bird Rights”, and he’d need us if he wanted to sign a 5 year extension with Jersey in a sign and trade, instead of a 4 year deal with them. Have them give us Brook Lopez . . Damion James . . and 2 first round picks ( essentially giving us the picks back that we gave Orlando ). AT that point, we could opt to trade JJ for pieces, or amnesty him.
((( Dwight- Chances of him playing with Josh may intrigue to come to ATL and influence him to resigning with ATL. )))
Make no mistake, Orlando can trade Howard to ANY TEAM IN THE NBA. The only thing that is preventing Orlando from trading him to other teams, is that most teams want a guarantee that Howard would sign a long term extension with the new team.
The Nets are in the discussion because Howard would sign an extension with them. But the Hawks could offer the Magic a better deal in the form of Howard + Smith, than the Nets can offer with Lopez + ( insert player here ).
I think a lot of you overplay the “playing with Josh Smith” angle, in regards to Dwight. If Howard came to ATL, and turned this team into an instant title contender . . he did the unthinkable . . WIN a championship for ATL, I’m pretty sure we would be in the lead to sign that guy to a long term deal.
(( Side note:
Are the Magic hands really tied if they keep Dwight and let him become a FA at the end of the season? B/c the teams the Dwight are reported interest in Nets (sign Nene and resign Deron), Knicks, Bulls and Lakers will not have cap space to sign him. I think only the Mavs will have some cap space next summer but Cuban would probably prefer to do a S&T with the Magic to save some cap space to sign other players. ))
No . . their hands are not tied. If he wants a 5 year extension instead of a 4 year one, he’ll need Orlando to do a sign and trade, to get him that extra 20 some million dollars. The trick is that Howard would have a lot more leverage in where he wants to go.
darrell starks
December 11th, 2011
12:52 pm
Melvin that trade failed.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Big Ray
December 11th, 2011
12:56 pm
Interesting…..so thanks to the Knicks, we might get something good out of free agency after all.
I know we don’t need yet another guard (other than somebody that can backup Teague), but I’d take Toney Douglas. Dude can score some, and is a pretty effective defender.
Beyond that, I don’t know what we could get. And now Sund is trying to save money. How? They don’t wanna use the amnesty clause.
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
12:59 pm
@ Darrell . . . the Magic would throw in Hedo Turkoglu’s contract in that mix . . and the Lakers with all of their money would gladly take Hedo to make that deal work.
So the deal of Bynum + Gasol for Howard + Turkoglu is a great deal for both sides.
If I’m the ASG, I’m still offering the Magic Smith + Horford + 2 first round picks . . . for Howard + Ryan Anderson. NO way I’m taking Hedo’s contract, so I’ll give them the first round picks instead, and ask for Anderson to make the deal work.
Big Ray
December 11th, 2011
1:04 pm
Co-sign Northcyde at 12:52 pm.
ryan
December 11th, 2011
1:11 pm
I want Howard more than CP3 Clippers can have Paul the Hawks need a true big man C and D12 is that guy .
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
1:11 pm
LOL @ Big Ray . . . my thing is this. If you won’t trade one or two of “the core” for a Chris Paul or a Dwight Howard, who will you trade them for?
They are either convinced that we’re a few pieces away from challenging for a NBA title, or they are so afraid of taking a risk, that they would rather go the safe route and keep everybody together.
Howard and Paul are PROVEN box office draws, and would definitely sell well in Atlanta.
If the city didn’t come out in droves to see the 2009 – 10 Hawks when we won a whopping 34 home games, what makes them think that people will come out to see this team now . . even if we are good?
If there’s not even a trade rumor out now about the Hawks dealing JJ, Smith, and/or Horford for one of these stars, then the ASG will NEVER trade them.
EmirS.
December 11th, 2011
1:12 pm
@northcyde
Trade Smith and Al for Howard, and this is your team
PG – Teague
G – Johnson
F – Marvin
PF – Zaza
C – Howard
I love this lineup. Both Zaza and Howard in the frontcourt? That’s the toughness we’ve been looking for. Then Johnson and Teague manning the 1 and 2…and Marvin defending the 3? I Love it. Not only will you remain efficient on offense, but your defense improves significantly. However, I believe if we wanted to avoid Dwight leaving after season’s end, whether we won a title or not, we would have to package JJ and Horford.
Just Joe
December 11th, 2011
1:14 pm
If Hawks can come away from a S&T with Knicks with Toney Douglas and the rights to Jerome Jordan, then they’ve done a good job. Wouldn’t have to shed much salary to get back under tax.
Melvin
December 11th, 2011
1:15 pm
northcyde,
If the Magic value JJ then I can see them going with JJ + AL b/c they already have Big Baby. I think AL playing alongside Big Baby would be a better fit than Josh. However, I think any 2 of our big 3 would only make the Magic mediocre at best. So it would probably be better for them to take their lumps to be a bad (Lottery) team and rebuild thru the draft and Free Agency. Possibly building around a young player like AL or Bynum. Hey, they could possibly draft another superstar like Shaq and Howard again. The 2012 draft is suppose to be strong so this year 1st round picks should be very valuable.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
1:15 pm
Northcyde,
I’d take Dwight over CP3 any day of the year. Joe and Al for Dwight and Redick
EmirS.
December 11th, 2011
1:17 pm
“I think a lot of you overplay the “playing with Josh Smith” angle, in regards to Dwight”
-northcyde
I don’t think it’s overplaying. I think it’s looking at it from another perspective. The biggest problem is the “if”. I’ve read your part on rebuilding if Howard leaves. As you said, the ASG are chicken-sh*t. It would have taken alot of time to come to this whole Dwight Howard scenario in which he joins the Hawks. Just how long would it take for them to use the money wisely, that would come of the books, to rebuild this team.
JaeEvolution
December 11th, 2011
1:58 pm
I heard it was a 3 way trade between Knicks and Warriors, any chance we get Douglas and Jeremy Tyler? He could’ve been a potential lottery pick but went overseas WHILE in High School, has good athleticism and his potential is high.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
2:10 pm
Cant we just s&t Jamal for an exception or cash? WILL WE EVER USE THESE DAMN EXCEPTIONS AND CASH WE HAVE RECEIVED IN TRADES?
JaeEvolution
December 11th, 2011
2:10 pm
I would take any combination of these from Knicks/Warriors.
Douglas/Tyler, Douglas/Harrellson, Shumpert/Tyler, Shumpert/Harrellson, or Fields/Tyler, Fields/Harrellson.
Has to be a guard and a big and all those guys are either rookies, or have minimal contracts right now which could save us some cap room, Sund can get us another big and a piece for the future with this deal, play it smart.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
2:21 pm
Sund is a moron. Whether we snt or sign jamal we take on salary
2 FOR JOHN DREW
December 11th, 2011
2:25 pm
DrMB … If you chiroprat ?… as well as you blog, I know there are alot of “HAPPY CRACKED BACKS”
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
2:28 pm
SUND SAYS HES HAPPY WITH OUR BIGS
ZAZA COLLINS ROLLE BENSON
WOW WHAT AN IDIOT
Big Ray
December 11th, 2011
2:28 pm
Northcyde ,
Oh there is no doubt in my mind that you are exactly right. But the ASG just loooooves their core. They have no basketball knowledge and only listen to Sund if he tells them EXACTLY what they want to hear. So the old man does that. Because getting a check is the concern of every American citizen…
northcyde
December 11th, 2011
2:40 pm
JeJe . . . I think if we do a trade with the Knicks, it will either be for a player + an exception or cash
I could see something like Louis Amundson ( a 6-9 F/C in Golden St ) who can rebound a little + 2 million in cash or a 2 or 3 million TPE . . coming to Atlanta.
At that point, we might have to simply let 2 of these 4 guys go
- Sy
- Benson
- Rolle
- Radmanovic
Whatever we do, I seriously doubt it will be major. Getting Douglas would be a nice addition at the point, but I think it will be a guy like Amundson
For what it is worth, here is a Louis Amundson Mix, from when he was in Phoenix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWtINoiim60
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 11th, 2011
2:41 pm
2 For John Drew!
Wassup baby? How are you … I’ve missed your friendly face around here. I’ve been crackin’ backs & takin’ names around here. Just having fun and seeing all the trades and FA signings.
We have the best BB blog in the world and I’ve visited some really bad ones. We moderate ourselves over here and keep each other in line – that’s all.
2 for John Drew, I’m waiting for the next move.
doc
December 11th, 2011
2:52 pm
folks, deewitght howard has bigger fish to fry than to consider coming and staying in the atlanta hawks organization. he wants to be with a winning organization that is big market so he can see the big city lights to market his brand and have some input into what happens in the construction of his team. what he is describing is not “your atlanta hawks”; but keep on talking if you want to waste your time.
if you want to get sick go read about how stern blew up the trade of paul on yahoo. they brought up how he mentioned he knew where he had put some bodies line that he used on the players before the last all star game. he is some piece of work but for those that didnt realize it “the pause” had nothing to do with parity, competitiveness or making the game better for the fans.
the only hope the hornets have is to get value and trade it for picks later this year and odum and scoila would have given them something to work with and to field a team at the same time. now they are going to have less to nothing when cp3 walks. thank you to mr stern who watched as he treated the hawks the same way back when the queen was in cleveland, seems gilbert didnt mind the preferential treatment back then to write little notes to stern saying thanks for allowing him to cheat but maybe we need to not do that in the future so let us do a do over.
doc
December 11th, 2011
2:53 pm
meanwhile, falcons suck.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
2:59 pm
Jamal snt for Hansbrough
Astro Joe
December 11th, 2011
3:00 pm
Sund is prudly delcaring that the Hawks aren’t a luxury-tax paying team. Do you all think that CP3, D12 and other elite players aren’t aware of which teams pay and which don’t? These guys want to go where they know that ownership will continue to build around them, with players better than the ones they have played with the past few years. Better than Okafor, West, Ariza and Jack. Better than Jameer, Hedo, Bass and JRich/Vince. And for coaches better than SVG or Monte Williams. With all that said, why would they lift a finger to encourage a trade to our Hawks when there are a half-dozen teams who are likely more willing to meet all or close to all of their critieion for the perfect destination? D12 maybe willing to return home and be satisfied with anything as long as he’s home, but that doesn’t seem likely at the age of 27-28.
Astro Joe
December 11th, 2011
3:05 pm
•#Hawks GM Sund: “I like our bigs. We are going to continue to look at [point guards] as training camp goes.” 36 mins ago
I guess that is one less person who thinks Sy should be our 2nd string PG entering the season. Who is left who doesn’t think the Hawks need to find an adequate replacement for Hinrich?
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
3:07 pm
I HOPE SY DOESNT MAKE THE TEAM IF WE R LOOKING FOR ANOTHER PG
doc
December 11th, 2011
3:11 pm
well i can hope the falcons make the panthers look like the dogs did in the dome. rally on guys.
big ray, i dont think that was the little puppy that wrote what you quoted. it is more the ilk of the dmb stalker.
yes aj, let us keep it real, and it is still about the big six in spite of “the pause” to our season.
Grandad
December 11th, 2011
3:21 pm
northcyde
My amnesty plan for Joe was an alternative way of thinking.
I completely understand the thought process in your response.
What I was surmising, was a plan, that gives us hope -now- !
I do Not undervalue Joe. [regardless of what you may think]
Joe (himself0 has “overvalued” himself to this franchise.
His contract has driven a stake through the heart of our Hawks;
and will continue to do so for the life of his contract.
-not all his fault-
ASG paid Joe as if we are the Lakers;
yet now that we have him under contract,
they [ASG] operate as if we are the “Reno Bighorns”.
Grandad
December 11th, 2011
3:22 pm
It was my understanding that Cuban voted against Stern,
and for the Paul trade.
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
3:26 pm
“. I can’t see them possibly parting ways with Smith and Horford, knowing that if Dwight leaves that they’d have to rebuild the Hawks.”
?
Howard’s not interested if Josh isnt here, So trading Josh and Al is to get Howard leaves a question mark.
From where the Birds stand they will be rebuilding in 2-3 years anyway so Im on board for taking a franchise type move to get Howard. But, he wants to play with Josh if he comes here, and that would truly represent the city.
Lamar Odom is on his way to Dallas with nothing in return as the Lakers clear room for Howard. Bynum is rumored headed to Orlando.
I cant tell that the hawks are taking Howard’s statement that he’d come to Atlanta if Josh is here seriously .
grandpappy
December 11th, 2011
3:35 pm
BIG DOG,
you can get off your knees now with all the “praise” for one blogger..joe.jeff.smith.blah.blah.blah
Big Dog
December 11th, 2011
3:36 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/post/_/id/4681705/in-a-strange-twist-hello-lamar-odom
Grandmaster JeJe
December 11th, 2011
3:39 pm
I think Cuban voted against the trade. lakers will offer for Dwight by midnight
Michael Cunningham
December 11th, 2011
3:46 pm
new blog is posted. shutting down this thread.