Atlanta Hawks: Capped out, left out
It’s the kind of questions I get often on Twitter: “Why don’t the Hawks pursue [insert big-name free agent]?” After I explain that they don’t have the cap space, I sometimes get the follow-up: Why don’t they trade [Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, some other player I don't like] and use that cap space?” And then I have to tell them that doesn’t work, either, because the Hawks are over the cap and have to take salary back in a trade.
The point here is, until the Hawks gain significant cap space, which they aren’t scheduled to do until 2013-14 unless the use the amnesty card, then they aren’t going to be involved with free agents who command more than the MLE. Shoot, they still may not be involved with MLE free agents until they retreat further from the luxury-tax line.
Sure, the Hawks can swing sign-and-trades (which usually is the next question I get after the two above) but those transactions are not easy. The player has to want to sign with the Hawks and then an acceptable deal has to be worked out between Atlanta and the trading partner. That’s a lot of “ifs” involved.
The Hawks made their big when they re-signed J.J. last summer. They had the choice of using him in a sign-and-trade and then making other moves to clear cap space and make a run at the big names everyone buzzes about. Rick Sund, an enthusiastic supporter of re-signing J.J., nonetheless did his due diligence and presented that option to ASG.
All parties decided to bring back J.J. at any cost. So, for now, they must hope that this group’s upper limit is not a six-game loss in the Eastern Conference semifinals.
The reason why a lack of cap flexibility is particularly problematic under the new CBA is explained by Mark Cuban in an email to Tim McMahon of ESPNDallas:
The reality is that in the new system, cap room will have far more value than it had in the past. I realize that everyone is all freaked out about how and where free agents and future free agents are going, but it’s not just about getting one guy.
We are not saving cap room in hope of that one super special free agent being there. It’s about being in the position to improve every year and possibly add some significant, younger players next year and in future years.
What I don’t think people understand is that once a team hits the tax level the ability to improve our team is reduced dramatically. In addition, your ability to make trades is reduced. So basically, if we made the move to keep everyone together with five-year deals, the team we have today is going to be the team we have for the next five years. If we were a young team it would be one thing. But we are not a young team.
The Hawks are not as old as the Mavs but neither do they have anything close to an MVP candidate or a ring. Perhaps that changes this season, or maybe it doesn’t happen until they gain some cap space and start over.
Etc.
- I think the Hawks will make an offer to Jamal. I don’t think it will match what he can get on the market.
- Both Jody Genessy of the Deseret News and Brian T. Smith at the Salt Lake Tribune report that Earl Watson still could re-sign with the Jazz even after they signed Jamaal Tinsley. Watson would be a good pickup for the Hawks because he has good size, is a very good defender and rebounder and has a good assist rate. He also has a high turnover rate and can’t shoot or score but, hey, there are reasons he might be had for the minimum.
- Update ProBasketballTalk says Watson is expected to sign with the Wizards. (H/T to blog commenter mountain_jim)
- Chris Tomasson tweets that power forward prospect Charles Garcia will be at camp with the Hawks. Here is his D-League profile and his DraftExpress.com file.
- Larry Coon and Marc Stein look at the so-called “B list” items that are part of the new CBA.
- You might have heard the league blocked a trade. The teams involved are appealing, according to Stein.
- The Hawks practice at 5 p.m. today. Us media types don’t get in until after 6. Follow me on Twitter for live updates and check back here later tonight for a blog post.
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What?
December 9th, 2011
11:59 am
First
Air Zaza
December 9th, 2011
12:00 pm
I hate this team.
What?
December 9th, 2011
12:02 pm
Well, this blog pretty much sums up what we all suspected:
We will have the same core until Summer of 2013 in all likelihood.
Air Zaza
December 9th, 2011
12:05 pm
I knew the lockout should have never ended. The Hawks are terrible. This is Mutombo era all over again. They can’t even land a player like Steve Nash. We need the Lakers executives because Sund needs to be fired.
Zach
December 9th, 2011
12:09 pm
If you’re Rick Sund, and you know that you’ve basically handcuffed yourself cap wise, why in the world would you trade your draft picks and young players, i.e. the Kirk trade?
BigTimeTECHFan
December 9th, 2011
12:09 pm
That’s ok, Hawks made good draft pick in Benson and he’s going to help the team.
If Coach Drew plays him and give him the chance to learn and grow, To start they don’t need much offense from him.
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
12:10 pm
MC, so do you get frustrated when a Hawks official suggests that the Hawks are “considering paying the luxury tax” or “considering using the MLE” when seemingly, they are no more likely to do that than Kim K. is to marry a school bus driver?
BigTimeTECHFan
December 9th, 2011
12:10 pm
PF Hortford
SF J Smith
C K Benson
SG J Johnson
PG Teague
One of the best 5 lineups in NBA, with good coach that lineup could win it all
BigTimeTECHFan
December 9th, 2011
12:12 pm
PF Hortford
SF J Smith
C K Benson
SG J Johnson
PG Teague
One of the best 5 lineups in NBA, with good coach that lineup could win it all
Add bench
M William
Hinrick
McGrady
ZaZa
Team should be awesome
Air Zaza
December 9th, 2011
12:12 pm
Benson reminds me of that dude we drafted named Solomon Jones but Benson actually a Center. abit is NBDL one at best.
BigTimeTECHFan
December 9th, 2011
12:15 pm
Benson reminds me of that dude we drafted named Solomon Jones
Benson is more like K Garnett, play the dude and in 3 years he will be a beast. Benson stepped up and dominated the best bigs he played against in collage, S Jones would fade if he was matched up with true big
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
12:16 pm
“I think the Hawks will make an offer to Jamal. I don’t think it will match what he can get on the market. ”
So JC1 walks and we get nothing? Not a surprise in this sports town…..
At least I will continue to save money, just like you Mr. Sund….. lol
Michael Cunningham
December 9th, 2011
12:16 pm
@Astro Joe: “MC, so do you get frustrated when a Hawks official suggests that the Hawks are “considering paying the luxury tax” or “considering using the MLE” when seemingly, they are no more likely to do that than Kim K. is to marry a school bus driver?”
haha. frustrated? naw. at the risk of getting ripped for saying this again, i don’t get emotionally invested in any of it. but i understand why it frustrates my blog people, so i try to get answers. i get frustrated when they are reluctant to provide the answers i think you deserve.
Air Zaza
December 9th, 2011
12:17 pm
@ BigTimeTECHFan
Lay off the trees my friend. KG like? smh. S. Jones more better and he was extremely raw. Benson will spend a lot of time with Pape Sy in the NBDL.
What?
December 9th, 2011
12:19 pm
“I think the Hawks will make an offer to Jamal. I don’t think it will match what he can get on the market. ”
We don’t need another guard. We need legit 7 footers who commit hard fouls.
Air Zaza
December 9th, 2011
12:20 pm
MC, have the Hawks ever thought about blowing it up and relocating? Can we get a franchise to move here like Minny or OKC. Franchises with a future and are exciting to watch.
Tremaine
December 9th, 2011
12:21 pm
@ BigTimeTECHFan
Let me smoke with you?
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
12:22 pm
Jeff T. is going to have a break out season! An Allstar this year if he finds a jumpshot!!
Just stay away from them stiffs in the paint and he will be good ta go..
The Hawks are going to surprise you EXPERTS!!
@Fredo
December 9th, 2011
12:23 pm
Thanks MC for asking the questions that your peers on other beats don’t seem to get around to. You are the best.
mountain_jim
December 9th, 2011
12:25 pm
ProBasketball Talk said this morning that Watson is expected to sign with the Wizards.
Tremaine
December 9th, 2011
12:26 pm
@ Slimjr
Starting five will do alright with Teague at point. Our lack of a bench will blow the game though.
Tremaine
December 9th, 2011
12:27 pm
Dan Gilbert was right, should just name the other 25 teams the Washington Generals.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
12:27 pm
Larry Coon?
Dayum!…I’d have to see the judge to add an alphabet..Say like an “L”.. Cloon sounds and looks so much better…. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John
December 9th, 2011
12:27 pm
I think Jamal is a good player, but with the emergence of Teague and with Hinrich on the bench, I actually think the Hawks may be better without him. I think he stagnated an already stagnant offense at times. With him gone, I think JJ and Marvin will both have big bounce back years. We don’t have to have an 18 ppg scorer of the bench. His defense was terrible. The Hawks really were not much better with him as sixth man as they were when Flip Murray filled that role. I am saying this as someone that likes Jamal and thinks he is fun to watch. However, I really think losing him opens up more minutes and opportunities for others. Jamal seemed to excel when everyone else was playing poor, so I think it inflated how good he actually was.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
12:30 pm
“DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS” unknown Author..
Bye Bye Jamal…Nice watchin ya…..
Michael Cunningham
December 9th, 2011
12:31 pm
@mountain_jim: “ProBasketball Talk said this morning that Watson is expected to sign with the Wizards.”
thanks. . . updated.
Michael Cunningham
December 9th, 2011
12:32 pm
@Fredo: thanks for reading and giving a flip what i have to say . . .
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
12:32 pm
“Dan Gilbert was right, should just name the other 25 teams the Washington Generals.”
Mr. Gilbert is just still pissed about the “DECISION”! His team what reverted 40 games? lol
Tremaine
December 9th, 2011
12:35 pm
@ Slimjr
Regardless if Gilbert is pissed or not, he is still right. The rich get richer while we get old man McGrady. SAD!!!
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
12:39 pm
Update ProBasketballTalk says Watson is expected to sign with the Wizards. (H/T to blog commenter mountain_jim)
No problem, Pape Sy is our 3rd PG.
Section 303
December 9th, 2011
12:40 pm
Sucks that Watson is not coming. I think he could have helped.
Sounds like we are looking like a team that might be made up of a lot of D-League players. It’s very doubtful the Hawks sign anyone else that matters, after T-Mac. No way Jamal is staying here. So, if I’m a D-League player, I got to be a Hawks fan at the moment. Not only are there jobs to be had, but playing time to be had.
I really hope that Sekou is wrong and the Hawks do not “hit the skids” this season. Looking at our lineup, however, makes me think he is right. To quote the two fans sitting at the diner in the movie Major League “These guys don’t look too f’ing good.”
ryan
December 9th, 2011
12:40 pm
Well there goes Watson it does look more likely now the Hawks are going to stand pat what else is news ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
12:40 pm
Grady is going to surprise yall! He said he feels the best in years! Awesome! We already know what he can do even if hes lost 5 inches on his vert and a step or two off the dribble..Going to be very effective.. You’ll see.. He’s heady now..
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
12:42 pm
Looks like Sund took his holiday break early! lol
He’s basically done for now…………..Oh well……
darrell starks
December 9th, 2011
12:42 pm
Current roster will not compete.
The Hawks will not have a bench at all.
Asik, Brewer, for Jamal
make it happen Sund.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
honest_abe
December 9th, 2011
12:44 pm
depressing.
Trojan
December 9th, 2011
12:45 pm
Who is going to back up Teague at PG until Hinrich comes back in February?
darrell starks
December 9th, 2011
12:45 pm
STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, ZAZA
BENCH ?, T MAC, MARVIN, ?, COLLINS
RESERVE PAPE, BENSON
STREET CLOTHES MAGNUM, WANAMAKER
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
12:46 pm
JJ can play the pt and move Grady to the two…
What?
December 9th, 2011
12:48 pm
I think Sund intentionally shows interest in outside players every offseason to get Hawks fans excited.
Then he resigns the same players to minimum contracts.
G-Dot
December 9th, 2011
12:49 pm
MC What happened to David Lighty? Is he coming to camp?
Jeff.Joe.Josh.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
12:51 pm
copied & pasted from Mr. Starks
STARTER TEAGUE, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, ZAZA
BENCH ?, T MAC, MARVIN, Benson, COLLINS
RESERVE PAPE, BENSON
That bench should happen NOW. Problem with Collins is he is always injured. And Zaza is a backup. To get a starter we have to give up something, hint hint. If [player X] value hasnt taken too much of a hit.
Tremaine
December 9th, 2011
12:54 pm
Trojan
December 9th, 2011
12:45 pm
Who is going to back up Teague at PG until Hinrich comes back in February?
Slimjr
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
12:54 pm
Kind of funny, a bunch of bloggers seemingly enjoy watching young players develop during the season. Well, now you get to watch Rolle, Benson and Sy over 66 games. Who cares about vets who know how to play the game (and manage the personal aspect of NBA life), let’s enjoy watching these young guys learn their craft in 5-10 minute increments during the season.
Michael Cunningham
December 9th, 2011
12:55 pm
@G-Dot: “MC What happened to David Lighty? Is he coming to camp?”
good question. . . his agent won’t say. we will find out here in a couple hours.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
12:56 pm
Looks like Sund has put up his gone on Vacation sign….lol
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
12:56 pm
I am upset about these 2 players….
Dunleavy 2 year 7.5mil and Shannon Brown 1 year 3.5mil…I am more upset about Dunleavy because we need a shooter and he is very good.
What?
December 9th, 2011
12:57 pm
Could the fact the ASG has to help pay for Hornets’ payroll contribute to fact they won’t go into LT?
ryan
December 9th, 2011
12:58 pm
I would accept the Crawford for Brewer and Asik deal Sund needs to something because Orlando may be getting Big Baby .
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
1:01 pm
“Pape Sy is our 3rd PG.”
I guess he’s the backup for Teague now?
Have not seen this dude play.. Don’t know much about his game.. I hear he’s very quick off the dribble?
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
1:01 pm
Like I said @ Al Horford. Dikembe Mutumbo is not walking through that door. So it is up to you to be the “big” man on this team. If you and Smith don’t change your mindset from “finesse” mode, to “battle” mode, this team may struggle big time this year. At that point, our only hope will be an All-nba type season from Joe Johnson and Jeff Teague playing like Stephen Curry.
Lol @ David Stern. That dude’s legacy is in the toilet now. People are trashing big time what he did last night.
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
1:03 pm
I think the Hawks are only making an offer to Jamal because they know it will be less than what he is offered from other teams, so when he turns the Hawks down, ownership and mgmt can tell the fans…”We tried, but Jamal chose to sign somewhere else”.
The same way they interviewed Avery Johnson last offseason, knowing full well they were not going to pay him what he wanted. But they think it gives fans the impression that they are trying.
My opinion.
PMC
December 9th, 2011
1:03 pm
I mean, I just don’t see what they expect us to buy here? The Atlanta Hawks are not an exciting team. The organization is not particularly run well and has never been.
Why would I spend 80 bucks a night to watch these guys play? What’s in it for me?
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
1:04 pm
If we need other young guys to develop, I vote for Salim and Acie. That way, we get our back-up PG AND our bench shooter.
PMC
December 9th, 2011
1:04 pm
I mean seriously 7 years of Joe Johnson. Ok. Good for him getting wealthy, but what’s he ever going to win?
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
1:06 pm
PMC, Kiss-Cam!!!
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
1:07 pm
northcyde,
Not only did David Stern block the trade, he also has not given a reason for doing so.
As for the Hawks, the entire team is too soft. How many hard fouls do we see the Hawks commit, how many layups and And Ones did they give up last year? The players are too soft, and LD lets them get away with it.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
1:07 pm
Chicago would be crazy to trade a 7 footer(Asik) for a small.. Dont ya think?
DMB said a good GM would never trade a big for a small.. I co-sign……
darrell starks
December 9th, 2011
1:07 pm
Jeff, Joe,Josh,Leuer.Bogut
How good is Benson ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
1:09 pm
From JA Adande on ESPN.com;
So many people wondered why the lockout was held in the first place if on the day it officially ended a glamour team added one of the most coveted players. They missed the point.
To say the lockout was enacted for the sake of competitive balance would be as inaccurate as saying the Civil War was fought to end slavery. The purpose of the Civil War was to restore the Union, and the purpose of the lockout was for the owners to make more money. .
Michael Cunningham
December 9th, 2011
1:09 pm
@O’Brien: “My opinion.”
A plausible one.
Michael Cunningham
December 9th, 2011
1:10 pm
@PMC: “Why would I spend 80 bucks a night to watch these guys play? What’s in it for me?”
this is going to be a tough question for them to answer if this is their team.
Tremaine
December 9th, 2011
1:12 pm
O’Brien
December 9th, 2011
1:03 pm
I think the Hawks are only making an offer to Jamal because they know it will be less than what he is offered from other teams, so when he turns the Hawks down, ownership and mgmt can tell the fans…”We tried, but Jamal chose to sign somewhere else”.
The same way they interviewed Avery Johnson last offseason, knowing full well they were not going to pay him what he wanted. But they think it gives fans the impression that they are trying.
My opinion.
CO-SIGN!
Rev in Tampa
December 9th, 2011
1:13 pm
Training camp hasn’t even opened and the season is over. Everyone, do yourselves a favor and keep your expectations low… very low. The only new storyline will be Teague at the point. Other than improved perimeter defense because of Teague (and absence of Jamal) and uptempo transitional game everything will remain the same – too few rebounds, too few free throws, too many jumpshots.
Expect more of those embarrassing blowouts like last year to Boston, Milwaukee, Los Angles, etc. Expect the rotation to shrink to eight players while everyone else languishes at the end of the bench. Expect Horford to sit out the rest of the first half everytime he gets two fouls. Expect Josh to keep shooting 3’s. Expect an lower win percentage than last year. Expect another frustrating exit from the playoffs – if we make it.
But there is a reasonably good reason to be optimistic – the season is shorted so our misery won’t be as prolonged.
All that being said, I’ll be here suffering along with everybody else because I’m a Hawks fan…
Tremaine
December 9th, 2011
1:15 pm
Maybe we can get Joe Johnson to give back the money he spent on his shoe closet to pick up a player or two.
Jeff.Joe.Josh.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
1:16 pm
Dunleavy is 6′9.5 with a 6′9 wingspan (same as JJ), inconsistent and injury prone. Can you say 1 dimensional! I want Jon Leuer, bring him from overseas you have a 21 year old Gugliotta shooter and are set for the next 10 years.
Leuer vs David Lee
December 9th, 2011
1:17 pm
Leuer vs David Lee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-9EfWfibJA
Mike
December 9th, 2011
1:18 pm
@PMC
I have the same feelings about that, Hawks has been stuck on the second round and they are too scared that breaking up the core because they fear that they wont get back to the second round. Overpay guys that doesnt deserve it and do nothing to get better. I swear that ASG is trying to have nuthin but empty seat in that arena. I cant see myself paying money to look at a team that is going to bow out around second round.
Earl T.
December 9th, 2011
1:18 pm
We are stuck in mediocrity for the next 3 years. Only way out of this is to hit on a draft pick unexpectedly. We will be drafting in that 15-20 range for next few years. I say tank it and go after davis from KU. Just a thought.
JJ
December 9th, 2011
1:18 pm
SMH…..this team has 35 wins written all over it. Just one bad decision after another……
darrell starks
December 9th, 2011
1:18 pm
Who is Wanamaker SMH ? why Sund not call Damien.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!
JJ
December 9th, 2011
1:21 pm
ASG…..not only do they run an organization into the ground, but they think the fans of said organization are a bunch of mental midgets. So sick of these fools…..
Rev in Tampa
December 9th, 2011
1:21 pm
@Earl T. – “We are stuck in mediocrity for the next 3 years. Only way out of this is to hit on a draft pick unexpectedly.”
We hit on one of those draft picks last year and traded him away along with a future draft pick!
darrell starks
December 9th, 2011
1:22 pm
DAMIEN, T MAC, MARVIN, COLLINS
IS A SOLID BENCH
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
1:24 pm
Leuer vs David Lee: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-9EfWfibJA
Oh Sh_t! I like what I saw on youtube ref Jon LEUER! Nice handles, behind the back crossover to the rim and dunk!! All NBA TiTio could not do that in his dreams…..lol
This guy looks to be a 7 footer….Got nice moves around the basket.. Smooth!!!! no pun! lol
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
1:27 pm
46-20 record.. 3rd or 4th seed…GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!
mykhalc
December 9th, 2011
1:30 pm
at this point, any fan payin’ to see this ‘team’ has gotta be goin’ to see JT and Zaza…PERIOD!!! at this point, the ONLY thing i see this team gettin’ from Joe, Al, Josh, and Marvin is INDIFFERENCE in their play. this core is waaaaayyyyy passed the need of bein’ broken up. it’s really a shame that the SAASG have not found any sane and creative way of doin’ this. i’m bettin’ these cats do NOT even wanna play with each other now. it’s gonna be ’sad-ball’ in ATL this season…
hawks_4_life
December 9th, 2011
1:31 pm
MC,
What do you make of Charles Garcia personally.
ryan
December 9th, 2011
1:35 pm
I guess D12 to the Nets could happen i wish we had Russian billionaire .
steve brown
December 9th, 2011
1:38 pm
If Jamal goes bring in Iverson, I’d bet he can still score.
Another GM
December 9th, 2011
1:46 pm
So MC, the Hawks are going to let Jamal walk for nothing instead of doing a SNT to bring in players to help the team, because of going into the luxury tax??? Yep, thats a commitment to winning. After 36 years and several years of season tickets, Im done. I have better things to do than watch a half a$$ basketball organiztion.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
1:46 pm
RE: darrell starks
Benson is not a playmaker, is not comfortable/confident handling the ball in transition. Etc..
His wingspan measured up at 7′3.5″ others with that measurement…
Chris Webber but he was shorter and stockier at around 6′10 260
Chris Bosh…taller and a finesse shooter
Marvin Williams…smh a shooter who is to short and not heavy enough to capitalize on that length
Ike Diogu… MArvin’s height and tries to be a power player but has knee problems bcuz hes 6′8, 250
Benson looks like a skinny jump shooter in the halfcourt. Did not look to make plays or handle the ball in transition. Looks like a Chris Bosh type, he’ll be good for jumping into defenders and getting free throws on dives to the rim… Did not see much of His jumper in the overseas games They’re posted on youtube.
Thats why he got cut. He looked unimpressive and unagressive… One thing you can do if youre a bad halfcourt player is rebound and push the ball yourself, see Magic, see Horford. If you can just make him and the bench play defense and free flow then the vets could get him open easy shots and coax his development in that aspect along.
But as of now he’s a taller Solomon Jones. He’ll never be a defensive anchor C. But I hope he can become a garbage minutes version of Bosh/Taj Gibson PF in a defensive lineup very soon.
6′7 Sy, 6′8 Williams, 6′8 McGrady, 6′11 Benson, 6′11 Pachulia
DEFENSE! DEFENSE! DEFENSE!
Chant with me ATLANTA!
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
1:50 pm
smh on realgm there is a wiretap saying Dwight’s FATHER would be the one to ask for a trade.
The Irony!
6′10″ Dwight Howard is Undersized (Olajuwon): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NmzOG7r_Mg
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
1:51 pm
Crack Babies!
Unfortunately for us, our Daddy smokes crack. So this December, we get sticks and stones for X-Mas. But then, we used to dat!
Paper … Scissors …. Rocks? Paper! (we lose)
Paper … Scissors …. Rocks? Scissors! (we lose)
Paper … Scissors …. Rocks? Rocks! (we lose)
No matter how you look at it?
Crack babies always (lose!)
———————
Here’s my point: based on MC’s report, we get NO cap room till 2013 – 2014, that’s when we shed Marvin, ZaZa and Kirk.
Marvin 7.5M
Kirk 8M
ZaZa 4.75M
__________
Total 20.25M
OK then what? Like Lamar lamented on twitter last night.
Who will be making the next wave of big decisions?
ASKG?
Sund?
IDK ’bout yawl – I’m scared of these people! LeBron threw the NBA into FULL plantation mode with his in your face DECISION. The masters don’t like it when the inmates are running the asylum! Not one bit.
Game Over! Collusion in full effect on that CP3 trade.
ole richie
December 9th, 2011
1:53 pm
kris humphries could have a monster year in atlanta. He’s out to prove that he’s more than just a tabloid headline. Hawks could take advantage of that.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
1:59 pm
No Show!
CP3 a no show at camp today.
Lamar?
Pau?
Feelings hurt? Egos bruised? This proves the players are only human, they bleed, they cry – but, they can afford kleenex! So, no tears in my beer.
LOL! But still, I don’t like Ricoh Acts & collusion. Its a slave mentality at the highest level, just take the money out of this equation. It’s about dignity, freedom to move around and ultimately – respect.
mykhalc
December 9th, 2011
2:00 pm
i wonder if the SSASG even talk bball when they meet?
John
December 9th, 2011
2:02 pm
In all seriousness, Humphries would be a good signing but he will probably ask for too much.
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:02 pm
Mike, why did Sund decide to overpay for JJ ? That’s the kinda sheet that gets people fired by hamstringing the team to make moves.
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
2:03 pm
I think a package of Teague, ZaZa, and Marvin (yes, poetic justice), would have more long term upside for the Hornets in acquiring Paul than 2 Bigs past their prime in Gasol and Odom.
Gasol and Odom are far better BB players than any of those 3 from the ATL. But the ATL 3 are younger, you get 3 instead of 2, and if you developed all 3 properly, you could have some solid long term gain.
Just sayin’… dreamin’ I guess really…
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:04 pm
As for Stern declining the C.Paul trade ? I think its wrong for the commissioner to decide the fate of a team’s roster. So what if the NBA owns the Hornets ? Now CP3’s gonna leave the Hornets after the season and they get zilch in return…
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
2:05 pm
So the Nets could end up with Nene. What will they do with Nene and Brook Lopez? Play Nene as a PF?
Since there is a rumor that the Nets met secretly with Dwight, they might be less likely to get Dwight due to possible tampering accusations (regardless of whether or not it really happened).
Terrell
December 9th, 2011
2:05 pm
I know it was a small sample, but we all saw how good this team played when Teague was allowed to be the PG and control the ball. Even if we get other players if Drew reverts back to what Woodson use to do, we are in trouble. The fact is that Teague is a true point guard whose only weakness was his jump shoot, which he said he has worked one. We all have seen what a healthy Joe Johnson gives us. Last year, he was not healthy at all. The problem with our team is that none of the starters have really had a defined role because we never had a defined style of play. If you let Teague play like he did in the playoffs, it opens up things for the other guys where they don’t always have to create their own shot.
Joe Johnson won’t have to hog the ball all the time. That was when we struggled. When we got in ruts he always tried to do it all himself so players just sat around and watch. Let Teague be the slasher and driver, defenses have to react to him and collaspe and that leaves Williams and Johnson open on the wings. This produces easy baskets for team as well as closer baskets to the rim for Smith and Horford, who if they do their jobs will be ready for the put-backs or passes from Teague.
Look, we all would like to get a Howard or a Chris Paul, but those guys would like to have players to play with, and honestly it would take us giving up some of our best assests to get them and they probably won’t even stay after this season. Dwight on this current team could make us contenders, Paul on this current team could make us contenders, but we would likely lose Horford or Smith or Teague so our only other weapon would be Joe Johnson. That doesn’t make us contenders. Some of the other guys that you all want are role bench players. They play better in spurts off the bench. Not everybody can translte bench production and be a starter. Look at Gortat, he is a great #2 center who plays well off the bench, but he is not a #1 center. Same as that center from the Bulls. He gave us fits as a sub not as a full time starter.
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:05 pm
Retarded moves like drafting Marvin Williams over Chris Paul and overpaying Joe Johnson for 10 years deserves decapitation…
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
2:06 pm
Steve W,
Just sayin’… dreamin’ I guess really….
Wake up
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
2:08 pm
Yep, Kris Humphries would be a perfect fit on this team, just what we need. So of course we won’t get him.
D Wilkens says we are his dream team. Wants to play here. Begs. Hustles. Withstands LD’s terrible non-usage of him even when it’s clear he would benefit the team. So of course we blow him off.
We play Bibby and Jamal when it’s obvious they can’t stop D Rose, or anybody else for that matter. Of course we let the answer rot on the bench in Jeff Teague.
This is the ATL Hawks, haven’t we learned that yet?
Remember those Headlines on this blog last season: “Hawks Not for Sale”? Liars. Don’t trust ASG at all.
Terrell
December 9th, 2011
2:08 pm
SteveW
The Hornets were getting Odom, Luis Scola, Kevin Martin, and Gortan Drojavich and a first round pick. Thats far better than what we could’ve offered. It was a 3 team trade that include the rockets
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:08 pm
Bring in Bill Russell. He’s better at 76 years-old than Zaza.
Macaroni Tony
December 9th, 2011
2:09 pm
Brad Wanamaker 2010 Highlights http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ghV0bbQDYo
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:09 pm
Yeah Steve W, and maybe Humphries can get back together with K.Kardashian and we’d have eye candy in the stands…
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
2:11 pm
If we really want to change the culture of this team, LD has to go, unless he’s vastly improved. He and Woody have been here what 8 years? We’ll never know what a real coach would do with this team probably.
Solid PG in Teague and Hinrich
All Stars in JJ and Al
DPOY type in Smoove
One of the best backup C’s in the game in ZaZa
OB – I don’t want to wake up! When I do, we still have Marvin at SF!
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
2:12 pm
shouldve traded Jamal last season.
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:12 pm
I got an idea. Bring in Charles Barkley,Michael Jordan,Hakeem Olajuwon,John Stockton,and Clyde Drexler. Call the team Atlanta “Old School” instead of the Atlanta Hawks…
Tremaine
December 9th, 2011
2:14 pm
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:02 pm
Mike, why did Sund decide to overpay for JJ ? That’s the kinda sheet that gets people fired by hamstringing the team to make moves.
They resigned JJ because they knew they were going to sell the team but painted it like they were trying to compete for a championship. The ones that bought that bs are on here trying to think of ways we can use Benson, McGrady, and the rest of the garbage on the bench.
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:14 pm
zaza best back-up center ? Hurry up and pass that joint man. You’ve been smokin it too long…
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
2:14 pm
Matt Harpring just tweeted Paul may sue, especially if this means he has to sign for less than his Bird Rights.
And he said don’t be surprised if the trade decision is reversed somehow. A tweak in the trade I guess.
cp
December 9th, 2011
2:15 pm
This team has no depth. If the Hawks are counting on second rounders and undrafted kids to be productive then we are in trouble. Our main guys are going to log heavy minutes this year. LD already had bad sub patterns, throw in no bench and its a recipe for disaster this year.
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:16 pm
They should have offered Joe Johnson HALF of what they gave him per year. No other team wanted him for the kind of money Atlanta paid him. Not even close. Retarded management right there…
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:17 pm
SteveW, you must be Zaza’s daddy ?
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:19 pm
Hawks should keep Jeff Teague & Al Horford then get rid of EVERYONE else From Sund down to superstar back-up Zaza Gabor…
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
2:21 pm
Jump Shooter – I said one of the best. There’s not many legit C’s in the NBA right now.
Out of 30 teams in the NBA, ZaZa was 26th among C’s in scoring. He was 17th in rebounding rate, just ahead of Al.
23rd in total rebounds per game.
31st in Blocks, 28th in mpg.
So yes, he is one of the best Back Up Centers in the League.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
2:23 pm
Also @ SteveW on Haslem vs Josh… Everybody just plays off of Josh Smith. It is very easy to stop a small PF who cant shoot.
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
2:26 pm
Player development people, player development.
OB, Lopez and Nene may combine to pull down 10 boards/game. Not likely much more than that.
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
2:26 pm
In real rebounds per 48 minutes, ZaZa is way ahead of guys like Nene, Marc Gasol, Brook Lopez, and Jason Thompson believe it or not. And he’s just behind (.2 per game) Al Jefferson, David Lee, and Roy Hibbert.
He’s a solid backup NBA C. Houston would love to have him. And am I ever glad that Brad Miller trade fell thru with them. Wow!!
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
2:29 pm
Joe, Jeff – Yes, but I think if Josh is 30 lbs lighter and quicker he can still maneuver around Udonis. Do a semi-floater kind of shot in the lane or something. It would be somewhat of a mismatch I would think.
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
2:29 pm
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
One more note for when games actually start: From Dec. 25-Feb. 6, NBA teams allowed to dress/play 13 guys per game, one more than usual 12
Cool, a little more chance to watch that always entertaining player development. Can’t wait to see Wanamaker improve his jumper from the wing.
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
2:31 pm
Jump Shooter – If I had a son pullin’ down 4.25 m per year, I would be on the Meditterranean somewhere spending some of his money, and not on this blog. Sorry
BigTimeTECHFan
December 9th, 2011
2:31 pm
Wonder if there is a chance the Hawks could get Will Bynum for Crawford in a sign and trade
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
2:32 pm
ESPNSteinLine Marc Stein
NBA teams informed of key dates today, sources say. Window to amnesty players is Dec. 9 (today) thru Dec. 16. Trade deadline is March 15
tyger
December 9th, 2011
2:34 pm
Damn! Shelden Williams signed with New Jersey Nets! Rats!
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
2:36 pm
AJ – Man, I don’t know, it must be the former coach in me, but I’m one of those guys that love when a JC2, Rolle, Sy etc. get an opportunity to play. I like seeing what they have I guess. Hidden treasure, diamond in the rough. Or junk. But at least you know.
That’s why I’ve pushed for Teague so much. The eye test, not the stat sheet, always showed me the dude improved our team. He just fit with his athleticism. He elevated the team when out there.
So I started pushing for him, when Woody, the LD just hated him for whatever reasons. But we just kept doing the Charge of the Light Brigade by Tennyson thing, and would march Bibby, Jamal out there and just get destroyed, epically last season on a regular basis. Put Teague out there and you may lose, but we at least competed.
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
2:37 pm
Mark Cuban voted against the trade for CP3…..Wow.
That deal will get done when D12 is traded to another team, Nene signs and Chandler signs. The deal was blocked because it made it possible for the lakers to still sign D12 and WHAT OWNER IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WANTS THAT TO HAPPEN…..LA also got a huge trade exception and saved 40mil in salary, while getting the best player. I BET 25 OWNERS VETOED THAT DEAL.
PS. What the HELL is Houston doing???????
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
2:40 pm
Brad Wanamaker can shoot all he wants. It doesnt matter if hes not a center.
PG Jeff Teague – 6% rebounding
SG Joe Johnson – 7% rebounding
SF Marvin Williams – 10% rebounding
SF Josh Smith – 15% rebounding
F-C Al Horford – 16% rebounding
54% rebounding smh
PG Jeff Teague – 6% rebounding
SG Joe Johnson – 7% rebounding
SF Josh Smith – 15% rebounding
PF Jon Leuer – ?12%? rebounding
C Andrew Bogut – 18% rebounding
58% rebounding and thats assuming the 7 foot, 3 point shooter. Leuer is as good a rebounder as 6′10 softie Channing Frye.
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Mavericks owner Mark Cuban proclaims Dallas has enough size and depth to beat the Lakers
Speaking with reporters, Mavericks Owner Mark Cuban didn’t mince words when he was asked whether Dallas can beat the Lakers this season: “Hell yes. That’s it. Hell yes. We’ve got the size now. We’ve got the depth. We’ve got a lot more depth than the Lakers. It’s not even close there.” After he was asked what the team’s expectations entailed after winning at least 50 games for nine consecutive seasons, Cuban raised the bar pretty high. “We’re going to have so much depth that it’s really going to give us an advantage this year,” he said. “All our guys are coming in with one focus only and that’s to win a championship. That’s the goal. ”
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“A championship team needs someone who can protect the rim defensively and an elite shot-creator offensively. Occasionally, in the case of someone like Tim Duncan, one player can fill both roles.”
Why cant we have SHOT CREATIN & SHOOTING & SIZE? We dont deserve it? Is Horford that important to be tied to Jason Collins and Zaza starting for years?
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
Sy.McGrady.Marvin.Benson.Pachulia
Hinrich/Sy – Collins (inj. reserve)
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
2:44 pm
Steve, I don’t buy the version of the story the way you told it (regarding Teague) but I won’t go there. It would appear that folk like you will have all kind of chances to watch players develop… Sy, Rolle, Benson and maybe Wanamaker. It is kind of like the time when we had Othella Hunter, RandMo, Jeremy Richardson and Thomas Gardner all at the same time.
I’ll have my red Kool-Aid and popcorn ready to watch and evaluate every dribble, pass, rebound and shot. Oh joy!
Mike
December 9th, 2011
2:45 pm
Houston is in tank mode, right now!!! Want to get lucky to get Drummond in the draft. Also, I think Orlando wont be trading D12 to LAL, they would trade it to the Hawks before LAL.
JDK
December 9th, 2011
2:45 pm
MC : The frustrating thing is that lots of teams are over the cap, and yet they seem to have no problem making big moves (see the Lakers nabbing Paul, veto notwithstanding). The Hawks certainly have the assets to make a big move – why can’t they show the creativity and/or cajones to do as other teams do?
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
2:45 pm
Rufus, I think Cuban voted against the CBA, I don’t think there was a vote for the CP3 trade.
Air Zaza
December 9th, 2011
2:46 pm
@ Jon Leuer #1 fan
Stop trolling
Rev in Tampa
December 9th, 2011
2:46 pm
The new labor agreement apparently states that the NBA will not test for marijuana in the off-season. I hadn’t heard that reported yet.
http://widget.newsinc.com/fullplayerwvars.html?wid=2333&cid=507&spid=23554188&freewheel=90046&sitesection=dailycaller_top
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
2:50 pm
RE: Yes, but I think if Josh is 30 lbs lighter and quicker he can still maneuver around Udonis. Do a semi-floater kind of shot in the lane or something. It would be somewhat of a mismatch I would think.
Wade would Guard Teague. I think Teague could wear the soon to be 30 year old, oft injured Wade out with his speed a little bit.
LeBron would Guard Joe Johnson – and this would probably be a tough matchup for Joe but its important not give LeBron a rest for the offensive end.
Battier would Guard Josh Smith – good for the Hawks, with 7′0 leuer and 6′8 Joe the shooting is their! Smith is on the baseline!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgNGfEmiibM
Haslem would Guard who? Probably Leuer – but Jon is outside and the PF is the TRAILER that opens up a pick your poison mentality. Either ignore the penetration and leave your teammates on a boat or help and suffer the 3 ball.
And Bosh would Guard Bogut. And with Bogut’s size…
OFFENSE
7′0 Bogut vs Bosh
7′0 Leuer vs Haslem
Josh Slim Smith vs 6′10 33 yo Battier
Joe Johnson vs Lebron
Teague vs Wade
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
2:55 pm
AJ,
The article
http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/33774024
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
2:57 pm
AJ,
“We just had a lockout, and one of the goals of the lockout was to say that small-market teams now have a chance to keep their players, and the rules were designed to give them that opportunity,” Cuban said. “So to all of a sudden have a league-owned team trade their best player, particularly after having gone out and sold a ton of tickets in that market, that’s not the kind of signal you want to send.”- Cuban
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
2:57 pm
Air Zaza Jon Leuer is a better big man and shooter than Marvin. Pry him from the Bucks thats all Im saying.
Bogut was the key to Milwaukee’s league leading defense. They were 4th out of 30 teams iirc.
We do that Horford trade and then we got shooting we got size we got depth. We got 2 rim protectors. Now We can beat the Heat, the Bulls and whomever wants to come out the West.
Even Sekou knows we’ve hit the skids with Horford. Jack of all trades master of the worst shot in basketball.
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
2:58 pm
i wonder what type money Gilber will be looking for on the open market since he was released..
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
2:59 pm
Should the Hawks sign Arenas?
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
2:59 pm
Name That Baby!
In the Native American Indian culture, (the real founders of America) leaving all others as immigrants and murdering thieves, (pardon the side bar) the father would name the new born by looking through the slit in the tent for a sign.
If he saw a white foot rabbit? The baby was named – White Foot. Likewise, if the father saw two bears clawing? He named the baby Bear – Claw. If he witnessed dancing stars? He named the infant – Dancing Star.
Here’s my point: When the ASKG were born? Someone must have looked out a Grady window and saw “8 dogs F’ng”, and not 8 spirited white guys in a group from Atlanta.
If we can blame anyone for approving that sale, look to David Stern. How can you not vet these 8 cash poor guys properly and discover that collectively between the 8 of them, they can’t scrape together a dollar for some luxury tax, to build a damn competitive and balanced roster for a huge market like Atlanta? (See TNT and NBA TV Studios)
We deserve better! We deserve at least a conversation about our team! When has any of the cowards come to the microphone, held a presser and talked directly to the fans – to explain WHY we can’t be a contender.
I just got a stupid email a minute ago telling me time is running out for great dibs on season tickets.
Ha! Go fix your damned team and get somebody in here I haven’t seen before! A bona fide HOFer a Super Damned Star! How ’bout that? Go suck on a raw egg! I’ll buy a single ticket when I’m good and damned ready – get off my titty!
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
2:59 pm
Magic waive Gilbert..
http://www.hoopsworld.com/magic-waive-arenas-via-amnesty/
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
3:01 pm
MC could you get someone to tally how many jumpers vs how many paint shots Al and Josh shoot.
And against whom, and if its small ball lineup. I dont think we’ll see the PLAYOFF SUCCESS big lineups.
Thanks MC, your #1 fan.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
3:04 pm
Gilbert Arenas waived… dont do it Sund.
SALVADOR
December 9th, 2011
3:04 pm
Is there a way we can get Samuel Dalembert?
I think he could help a lot at the center position….
Peter
December 9th, 2011
3:07 pm
Well when you have DUMB owners signing JJ to the MAX is the example, along with stupid draft picks by a moronic GM.Gee what could one expect ?
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
3:08 pm
Sacramento re-signs Marcus Thornton to a 5 year/$40 Million contract.
1.12 Points per Possession
1.10 Points Allowed per Possession
12.3% WinsShared/48 Last Season Post Trade
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
3:12 pm
I tried to stay with this team but if on opening night Marvin Williams is moonlighting as a NBA starting SF and Al Horford is moonlighting as a NBA starting C. I am officially done with the Hawks until those two things change. I am sorry but I can not stomach another year of a fake starting SF and C.
Just A Thought
December 9th, 2011
3:13 pm
“@ Jon Leuer #1 fan”
“Stop trolling”
Ha, he can’t help it. Motiejunas finally got tired of the stalking and called the cops. So he switched to Leuer.
When Leuer calls the cops, he’ll find another obscure 7 footer to drool over.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
3:15 pm
I tried to stay with this team but if on opening night Marvin Williams is moonlighting as a NBA starting SF and Al Horford is moonlighting as a NBA starting C. I am officially done with the Hawks until those two things change. I am sorry but I can not stomach another year of a fake starting SF and C.
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superior? Well put. who will you support? Cant stomach the popular bandwagon teams. Not a lot of good basketball teams I can stomach.
Grandad
December 9th, 2011
3:17 pm
Simjr
[from last blog]
“offense wins games, defense wins championships”
-author unknown-
That was amended by Pat Head Summitt (bless her heart)
“offense sells tickets, Defense wins games,
Rebounding wins Championships” !
- Pat Summitt -
Michael
December 9th, 2011
3:18 pm
use the amnesty clause on JJ….frees up cap space
Grandad
December 9th, 2011
3:19 pm
My apologies as I have not read all posts today. [yet]
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
3:19 pm
Just A Thought
No I realized Josh Smith for center is a scenario where Hawks lose talent and still leaves you with Marvin Williams at the SF dingbat.
I saw another 7 foot Rim Protector and a 7 foot Perimeter player. Doing Hawks research and development for them.
If Horford cant get Bogut then his value is Thabeet and Motiejunas (aka fast Troy Murphy). How would the Hawks like that?
“Motiejunas sets defensive rebounding record
Euroleague – 1 day ago”
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
3:20 pm
Will the Hawks carry 15 players on the roster this season? With the compressed schedule, I would assume they want as much depth as possible (even if its vet min depth).
As for the CBA, Cuban said he was one of 5 owners who voted against the CBA.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
3:21 pm
The Decision!
I guess nixing the CP3 trade was:
The Decision II. Will there be a trilogy or IV, V VI – soon coming to a theatre near you?
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
3:22 pm
Oh and the draft pick thing… This year the #40 pick could be just as good as the #20 pick who could be better than a lotto pick.
And the Hawks traded a 1st rounder AND 2010’s Jordan Crawford, whom irregardless of empty stats has high value and is partaking in Washington’s ads and marketing,
for KIRK HINRICH and 2nd round blowouts.
go Sund Go!
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
3:26 pm
HHouston wasn’t tanking. They were clearing cap space to make a run at Nene or better yet Marc Gasol. That gives them a top 5 frontline and improves that team dramatically.
The more I look at this deal, the more I think all three teams would’ve came out on the positive end.
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
3:27 pm
I don’t get it…
Big Baby is getting 4yrs and 26mil from the Magic….. They just traded a similar sized PF(Bass 6′6) to Boston who was making 4mill..I don’t get it.
I know we hate Sund, but you show a GM who doesn’t have 2 bad contracts on their roster.
Sautee
December 9th, 2011
3:29 pm
s-b,
“I tried to stay with this team but if on opening night Marvin Williams is moonlighting as a NBA starting SF and Al Horford is moonlighting as a NBA starting C. I am officially done with the Hawks until those two things change. I am sorry but I can not stomach another year of a fake starting SF and C.”
Is this anything like the “officially done” you were for a few weeks last year after the Hinrich trade?
I hope you won’t stay away. We need all kinds of points of view.
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
3:30 pm
Rufus, I was questionning the phrase “voted against the CP3 trade” as if there was actually a vote amongst owners. I have not heard anything like that. Cuban may have offered an opinion to Stern (like Gilbert offered), but I don’t think there was a formal vote.
Lamar needs to get into camp before Khloe reminds him that he has expensive gifts to buy.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
3:30 pm
offense sells tickets, Defense wins games,
Rebounding wins Championships” !
- Pat Summitt -
Chandler – 13% offensive rebound rate, 19% total rebound (7′1)
Howard – 12% offensive rebound rate, 22% total rebound (6′10, 260)
Bogut – 10% offensive rebound rate, 18% total rebound (7′1)
Horford Pachulia 16% total (6′9.75 and 6′11)
Josh Smith 15% total rebound – (6′8)
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
3:31 pm
Jump Shooter
December 9th, 2011
2:09 pm
Yeah Steve W, and maybe Humphries can get back together with K.Kardashian and we’d have eye candy in the stands…
You haven’t heard the latest news?
Kim K. is setting up to get her cakes smashed by none other than Mr Heisman himself, Mr Miami star running back : REGGIE BUSH!!!! lol
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
3:32 pm
push push in the BUSH!^^^^^^^
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
3:34 pm
Joe, Jeff – I think in your scenario the Heat would still put Battier on JJ, and put LeBron on Josh.
You said, “LeBron would Guard Joe Johnson – and this would probably be a tough matchup for Joe but its important not give LeBron a rest for the offensive end.” Just the way you wrote that, you do know that we don’t get to pick who guards our guys, right? I’m sure you do, it just came across funny.
And I will probably be a lone ranger on this one, but I would pick up Gilbert Arenas in half a second. When you have no money to spend, you take chances. And if he would sign for the vet min., I would take a flyer on him.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
3:35 pm
15 Roster Spots!
“Will the Hawks carry 15 players on the roster this season?” – O’Brien -
__________________
Ha! The answer lies in whether it will cause them to pierce the luxury tax threshold. Can’t let any air and opportunity occupy that space. LMAO
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
3:35 pm
4 years, $26 mil for Big Baby? I think Bass at $4.25 mil is a better deal.
northcyde,
The guy for Houston to get is Marc Gasol (not nene). Because he is restricted, I think Gasol would tell Memphis not to match if Houston gave him a max offer, so he could play with his brother. And that would give them a nice front line.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
3:36 pm
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
3:26 pm
“Houston wasn’t tanking. They were clearing cap space to make a run at Nene or better yet Marc Gasol. That gives them a top 5 frontline and improves that team dramatically.
The more I look at this deal, the more I think all three teams would’ve came out on the positive end.”
I think everybody would have been happy except for couple of rotten apples outside of those three organizations…..
The godfather up to know good again….
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
3:36 pm
no^^^
Harry Hawk
December 9th, 2011
3:37 pm
I think Stern did the right thing. Everyone knows Paul is leaving New Orleans. Adding Scola, Martin, and Odom would mean that any prospective owner would have over $30 million committed to those three players for the next two seasons. A new owner would rather have A) a superstar like Chris Paul, or B) a clean slate to deal with.
That being said, my big question is this:
If the NBA is really concerned about the Hornets’ viability to prospective owners, why the hell didn’t the league step in and quash the trade before the negotiations got so far along?
You see, the “Stern wants Paul to go to the Knicks” conspiracy theory doesn’t hold water because Tyson Chandler’s signing there and they won’t have either the cap room or the assets to get Paul. The “Stern doesn’t want Paul to go to the Lakers” conspiracy theory doesn’t hold water either. I don’t think Stern cares. Therefore, the reaction by smaller-market owners (and owners competing against the Lakers, such as Mark Cuban) had to be the main reason for blocking this deal. I don’t think this was such a great trade for L.A., but CP3 is a superstar, at least in the eyes of the league and a lot of fans. Even though Paul is likely to go to a big market on his own, I think most of the league’s owners would rather see him do it via free agency. It isn’t about the Hornets. It’s about owners like Dan Gilbert who are sick of superstars bolting for greener pastures.
I sure wish Joe Johnson could leave. He’s not a superstar, though.
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
3:37 pm
I like Bass way better than Big Baby – weird move too me. Unless they are going to use Big Baby as a backup C, like they did Bass. He is a little bigger than Bass.
BigTimeTECHFan
December 9th, 2011
3:39 pm
I have not problem with the CP3 trade to lakers.
I think the Lakers ended up with a worse team but more option to impove.
Cavs owner is upset because he loses Lakers Cap Tax money, that’s gabage. Lakers should have every right to free cap space.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
December 9th, 2011
3:39 pm
Slimjr, you were too quick for me. Nice catch.
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
3:41 pm
northcyde,
If that was Houston plan then I understand a little more but their view of Pau is much higher than mine…. I think he is “buttermilk biscuit” soft.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
3:41 pm
So CP3 is besides himself on such a great day we called Friday(I’m off!)? So he doesn’t show up for camp? How dare that dude not show up today! Who does he thinks he is? Let swap places dude…Right! lol
SteveW
December 9th, 2011
3:42 pm
Brad Wanamaker is slow, a decent shooter, unimpressive lateral quickness, but pretty good size for a combo G – 6-4 210. Very good passer, and does have good defensive fundamentals.
That’s the Clift Notes from DraftExpress.
HoosierHawk
December 9th, 2011
3:42 pm
@ MC
Looks like Billups and Arenas get amnestied. ANy idea how much they will make from new teams, and given Hinrich injury, any chance the Hawks go after either?
BigTimeTECHFan
December 9th, 2011
3:43 pm
Also when NBA took ownership of NO, they hire people to run team and agreed the League office would not interfere with basketball decision. Now that exactly what they did. Said Blocked trade was basketball decision
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
3:45 pm
Steve W good info.
Wanamaker could be a Billups type off the bench. Billups struggled as a SG but you get him a big SG and a big lineup and he learned to run a team.
Stop DILUTING the roster and make a trade. Not one player signed has posted a better offense or defense efficiency than Marvin Williams.
NOT one. sad
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
3:47 pm
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
December 9th, 2011
3:39 pm
“Slimjr, you were too quick for me. Nice catch.”
Hey Bud, even a blind squirrel stumbles onto a nut from time to time! LOL!
But thank u Sir….
ryan
December 9th, 2011
3:54 pm
I think to Paul should been able to go the Lakers when did the NBA become a Nanny league NBA is not the Fed Gov .
ryan
December 9th, 2011
3:55 pm
I wounder if Stern would approved a trade to the Knicks .
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
3:58 pm
Re SteveW:
You said, “LeBron would Guard Joe Johnson – and this would probably be a tough matchup for Joe but its important not give LeBron a rest for the offensive end.” Just the way you wrote that, you do know that we don’t get to pick who guards our guys, right? I’m sure you do, it just came across funny.
That was in contrast to what what we had before: Joe Johnson DEFENDING Lebron.
When the Heat have the ball:
Teague/Hinrich would be guarding DWade – Hinrich is known as a DWade stopper, and I think Teague with his speed could give DWade problems. But of course Wade could post Teague.
We could do that.
JJ would Guard LeBron – He can for short stretches Guard him about as well as anybody. JJ wants to be bigtime, so he tries very hard in these situations.
No JJ cant.
Hawks vs Small Ball
Josh Smith would Guard Lebron.
Bogut would Guard Bosh.
Leuer would Guard Haslem.
Johnson and Teague could toss up on who would guard Wade and inactive Battier.
Against us
Bosh.Haslem. Lebron.Battier.Wade
Bogut.Leuer. Josh.Johnson.Teague
Joe, Jeff – I think in your scenario the Heat would still put Battier on JJ, and put LeBron on Josh.
Either way we win right? We have size and rebounding and shooting.
As opposed to “LeBron would Guard Marvin – and this would probably give LeBron a rest for the offensive end.”
You said it yourself. Rest Lebron. Marvin does not do anything and just stands there. And JJ just iso iso iso.
With Joe and Josh you can run the PnR and now its a 2 on 1 with JJ.
JJ and Josh PnR
or
JJ iso and Marvin iso/stand in corner. IDK about Dept. of Irony Its really not that hard a decision for me.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
4:00 pm
Really curious. Dept of Irony what do you think of the recent tweaks and what Sekou said about our plateau/skids?
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
4:04 pm
Harry the Hawk,
So you think the Hornets should hold on to CP3, and then let him opt out and walk away next year, with nothing in return?
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
4:05 pm
MC, when are the Hawks expecting TMac to join the team? I ask because two seasons ago, it took the Hawks 2 weeks to sign Joe Smith, though everyone knew he would be signing there.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
December 9th, 2011
4:07 pm
Flavor Flav,
I find it ironic.
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
4:08 pm
So now the Nets will not be allowed to acquire D12 because of tampering, lol. This is the greatest time for another team to make an unbelievable offer to the Magic. Why not call up the Magic and Rockets, and see if Orlando would accept Martin and Scola, along with Kirk, while Atlanta sends Al to the Rockets for D12 to come here.
Mike
December 9th, 2011
4:10 pm
I always wonder, the reason why they dont re-build the core or destory the core because what happen with Nique-Manning. I know that we are lock into JJ contract but I got a feeling it is something else.
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
4:14 pm
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=88bpc4c
What?
December 9th, 2011
4:14 pm
“Why not call up the Magic and Rockets, and see if Orlando would accept Martin and Scola, along with Kirk, while Atlanta sends Al to the Rockets for D12 to come here.”
Martin and Scola for Horford makes no sense. Horford is 6″9.
Scola is almost as talented as Horford anyway and is tougher.
Jimmy
December 9th, 2011
4:15 pm
With teams playing 4 or 5 games a week and probably only going all out for 2 of them, this is going to be the worst NBA season ever. The Hawks could have the greatest starting 5 of all time, and it won’t matter, because they can’t play 48 minutes 5 nights a week. Benches are going to have to play strong and supply a large amount of minutes every other night, and it’ll be a crapshoot as to who shows up, and when. The Hawks are going to be lucky to be a .500 team unless Sund signs some miracle workers, and I’m not counting on that.
The Atlanta Hawks Free Agency Checklist - Soaring Down South
December 9th, 2011
4:15 pm
[...] him anyway). I don’t expect the Hawks to sign a Nene or Marc Gasol type because it’s impossible due to capspace, but there are Free Agents out there that are available on the cheap (willing to accept vet [...]
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
4:17 pm
What? Horford would man the PF position in Houston, and they’re still able to make an offer to Gasol. Scola is taller than Horford. But isn’t BETTER than Horford.
ryan
December 9th, 2011
4:17 pm
I agree Ra’mon even though i think its wrong for the NBA to do this it gives teams a window jump in like the Hawks for D12 or CP3 we dream can’t we .
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
4:19 pm
Ryan, the league wasn’t wrong to stop the Orlando trade, because D12 is under contract, but his agent was negotiating with the Nets like he was a free agent.
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
4:21 pm
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
3:15 pm
I tried to stay with this team but if on opening night Marvin Williams is moonlighting as a NBA starting SF and Al Horford is moonlighting as a NBA starting C. I am officially done with the Hawks until those two things change. I am sorry but I can not stomach another year of a fake starting SF and C.
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superior? Well put. who will you support? Cant stomach the popular bandwagon teams. Not a lot of good basketball teams I can stomach.
PointGuardSlim- Even though you are a headcase I like you. I must say I will just watch my Mississippi State Bulldogs for my basketball fix. I will still watch the Hawks but I am very much sadden by this proposed roster almost to the point of tears. I can not take this any longer. I will watch but will not support to the point of being a real fan and sticking with them through good and bad. I hate the ASG,Rick Sund, and everyone in the front office, including old diabetic Nique.
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
4:22 pm
The deal is, everyone in the league knows Otis Smith is about to be fired this season (and after last season’s trades, shouldn’t he?). And then on top of it, Orlando’s Executive goes and drunk dial Howard’s phone to talk to him. That franchise is on its way down! When you start giving 4 year deals to 6′6 PF/C, then you know the picking is slim.
KevinM
December 9th, 2011
4:32 pm
Suns waive VC and Gani Lawal….come on, Sund….there’s another PF avaialable! Lord knows we need a couple more!
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
4:39 pm
I cant believe all the DEBBIE DOWNERS today? Did you guys get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning?
I’m usually the downer on these blogs…
But after getting up this morning I have a different gut feeling but this squad..
May have ta mute Nasal from time to time though..That guy drives me crazy sometimes!
They are going to surprise you guys! Just stay tuned! Its gonna be a ride!! Watch out!
C’mon Marvin prove us all wrong man!!
KevinM
December 9th, 2011
4:39 pm
Source: Bulls want Jamal Crawford but can only get him through sign-and-trade. Hornets, Pacers, Nets, Bulls are on his list of teams…
I still say Sund ends up with zilch if JC1 goes elsewhere.
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
4:53 pm
Sund doesn’t have permission to get a player for JC1 because a player will cost money. Remember when we let Al Harrington go for non-basketball assets? At best, we will get a draft pick or salary relief (in the form of some type of trade exception).
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
4:54 pm
KevinM, a SMART GM and Executive would offer a S&T of Jamal, along with Kirk, and a draft pick for CP3, without an extension. And if he signs an extension, throw in Al Horford for Okafor with the deal.
Q
December 9th, 2011
4:55 pm
Atlanta has a pro basketball team????
……go figure……
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
5:10 pm
Horford is 6′9.75″. AVERAGE height for a PF. hint AVERAGE hint. Hes a tweener center.
RE: “Why not call up the Magic and Rockets, and see if Orlando would accept Martin and Scola, along with Kirk, while Atlanta sends Al to the Rockets for D12 to come here.”
Martin and Scola for Horford makes no sense.
You overvalue Scola’s offense vs his below average PF rebounding. Horford’s average rebounding was what gets us to the playoffs. Youd have more shooting but youd have to make up the rebounding somehow.
Oh and Scola’s age is a factor.
Sautee
December 9th, 2011
5:11 pm
AJ,
“Remember when we let Al Harrington go for non-basketball assets? ”
I thought we got the Acie pick from that deal. Unless you are saying that Acie was a non-basketball asset?
The Big Chill
December 9th, 2011
5:16 pm
The Kirk Hinrich deal was the wost deal this team could have made. Why would you trade your future Crawford replacement for an old guard that is now going to stay on the IR. And on top of that trade a 1st round pick. Unbelievable….a blind mind could have seen that was a very stupid deal. You give away 2 potential stars for an old washed up guard. Sund is worst than Billy and that is pretty bad.
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
5:17 pm
Grandad, here is the trade of the day. I know YOU would LOVE this deal. Especially for a traditional motion offense.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7d3r3sv
Toronto Gets:
Joe Johnson
Atlanta Hawks Gets”
Bargnani
D. Derozan.
Toronto is far enough under the cap to adsorb Joe’s contract. They get an automatic all star. And the Hawks get the center they want. With an SG to replace Joe, who in 2-3 years may be just as good as Joe is on the downside of his career.
Also the Hawks are able to possibly re-sign Jamal if they choose to, with the money they saved.
The new line up would be:
Pg – Teague Sg – DeRozan – Sf – Josh Pf – Horford C – Bargnani
Bench – Jamal, Marvin, TMac, Zaza, Collins, Sy, and whoever else.
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
5:20 pm
Pistons waive RIP..
Sautee
December 9th, 2011
5:26 pm
Ramon,
I like.
rob
December 9th, 2011
5:28 pm
Ramon, i like the trade
I luv big stanky booty
December 9th, 2011
5:29 pm
Here should be the hawks lineup for this season
PG – Teague
SG – Joe Johnson
SF – Josh Smith
PF- Horford
C – Benson
Bench
SF/SG – Tracy McGrady
SG – Ronnie Brewer
PG – Earl Watson
C- ZaZa
C – Twin Collins
C – Asik
SF – Marvin Williams
Street Clothes – Pape Sy
** Sign and Trade Jamal Crawford for Asik and Brewer…Slap Amnesty clause on Hinrich
I think this team could get past the second round if every player plays to his maximum potential.
I luv big stanky booty
December 9th, 2011
5:31 pm
Ramon,
That would be a great lineup..the Highlight factory would still be intact with DeRozan, Smith, and Crawford putting on a show..Good Stuff
WC_HAWKS FAN_WC
December 9th, 2011
5:32 pm
Lets do a sign and trade with J.C with Minn for Beasley and then turn around and trade J.Smith for a true center and some bench player or 1 bench player and draft picks.
DHD
December 9th, 2011
5:34 pm
Lakers going for Chris Paul. Hawks going for Earl Watson. This is how the Hawks roll and why we will NEVER have an NBA championship.
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
5:36 pm
WC, when you said the name BEASLEY, you lost me. I wouldn’t trade Pape Sy for Beasley. He’s Derrick Coleman but with a lot less talent. He stays higher than Method Man.
I figured you guys would like the trade. The Hawks get their Center, who would probably be the best shooter on the team, allowing Josh and Al to still work inside, and have a size advantage.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
5:37 pm
DAMN. Detroit to amnesty Rip. No way of telling b4hand but we wound up with McGrady.
Thad Yo signs for $42 mil, 5 years.
Sautee
December 9th, 2011
5:39 pm
Ramon,
Mostly I like getting out from under Joe’s contract, without taking back something onerous.
ntrigue
December 9th, 2011
5:40 pm
MC,
Whatever happened to us signing Jeremy Hazell? Will he be in camp as well? He would definitely help out if we loose Jamal
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
5:40 pm
Ra’mon why would TOR do that? And Bargnani is not a center. Hes not a shot creator and hes not a rim protector. Horford and Bargnani would be soft as all hell.
So all you have is Teague creating shots and Josh protecting the rim. Im not ready to hand the keys to DeRozan.
Not sure why TOR gets older…
DSC
December 9th, 2011
5:41 pm
Can we just trade Smith for an unprotected first round pick to a bottom feeder and get Perry Jones? The kid is gonna be like TMAC in his prime, not the old timer we’re getting
DSC
December 9th, 2011
5:41 pm
trade smith for scrubs and unprotected first round pick….****
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
5:44 pm
ntrigue
LMAO if you HAD TO pick a guy with ABSOLUTELY WORSE defense than Jamal. And only had his college career to base it off of yes he could help.
A perimeter scorer who can help the defense big men is what we need. AND another Rim protector. Sadly this will not happen with Horford on the team!
As soon as Bogut is available Leuer + BOGUT.
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
5:44 pm
Wow Ra’mon . . . as if our team was soft before, you just made it a lot softer with that trade. Way to turn us into Golden State.
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
5:45 pm
Sautee, that always help. And to make it even better, you don’t HAVE to resign Jamal. And next off season, you’re left with even more cap room. And next off season you can possibly make a run at D. Williams, who will be looking to bolt after Brooklyn loses out on DHoward AND loses their lottery pick for tampering this year.
Sautee
December 9th, 2011
5:45 pm
ding!
Just Joe
December 9th, 2011
5:47 pm
I see Vince Carter in our future. Veteran minimum of course.
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
5:47 pm
Northcyde, how would that team make us softer? Only player you are really losing is Joe Johnson. Do you think Joe is the tough player on this team? If anything you’re able to be tougher, because you have MORE salary room to fill out the roster with hard nose players, because you save 6-7 million immediately!
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
5:49 pm
If Sund signs Vince Carter and Iverson, I’m going to swear that Sund is getting roster tips from NeeNee off of Atlanta Housewives.
DSC
December 9th, 2011
5:50 pm
All I want is Perry Jones and we can just go from there. Actually thats a lie: I want a new owner, gm, coach, and roster that starts with Perry Jones. Maybe if anything like that happens soon we can gut this team like a fish and start over because no one wants to see this team. Imagine getting trading some “stars” like JJ, Al, or Smoove for an unprotected top lottery pick. We then build up through the draft by getting Jones and maybe a great pg like Tony Wroten Tu Holloway or Kabongo. This team is going nowhere and its taking the fans with it. Sell, rehire, and get some young players this city can be excited about!!!
Just Joe
December 9th, 2011
5:52 pm
Think of it this way, having Vince, T Mac, and Iverson on the bench is a good way to get LD fired.
Sautee
December 9th, 2011
5:52 pm
Flavor Flav,
It’s likely not possible to get out from under Joe’s contract AND be very choosy in what we get back.
Just Joe
December 9th, 2011
5:53 pm
Nets would be most desperate for Joe, and could offer role players like Farmar, Morrow, and S&T Humphries in return.
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
5:54 pm
Joe, Toronto would do that deal, because they get an immediate all star. As well as the Executive was the one who traded for Joe in the first place when in Phoenix. Derozan averages a steal a game. Either way, there’s no way I wouldn’t rather have them compared to Joe’s contract.
Sawyer
December 9th, 2011
6:00 pm
What does everyone think of a S&T of Crawford for Bogans?
Just Joe
December 9th, 2011
6:00 pm
Not a Bargnani fan, unless he’s playing PF next to a shot-blocking center.
Guido
December 9th, 2011
6:00 pm
Have y’all seen the B-List items particularly, the section where a team can renegotiate player contracts down.
• A new “renegotiation and extension” provision allows an existing contract to be renegotiated so the player is paid a smaller amount over a longer period, but the player’s salary cannot decrease by more than 40 percent. Renegotiations previously could only increase a player’s salary.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7329408/new-items-added-nba-collective-bargaining-agreement
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
6:01 pm
Either way, there’s no way I wouldn’t rather have them compared to Joe’s contract.
And thats what Toronto thinks as well. Only desperate contenders want Joes contract
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
6:01 pm
Rip Hamilton Free to Sign with anyone
He was cut not a amnesty victim so he can sign with anyone. Cut or waived meaning same thing happened to him that happened to Bibby with the Wizs and he left and went to Miami because it was his choice. They say his top choice is the Bulls. I would love to sign him on the cheap he would definitely make up for Jamal. On another note, does not look like the market for Jamal is as great as once believed
Guido
December 9th, 2011
6:02 pm
S&T for Crawford is dumb why don’t they just keep him. Apparently they have the cap space to do the sign and trade. Why don’t they just keep him since they have the room.
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
6:03 pm
Atlanta Hawks roster if we DIDN’T make the Hinrich trade . . .
PG – Teague
G – Johnson
F – Marvin
PF – Smith
C – Horford
Bench
6th – ( C ) Zaza
7th – ( G ) Jordan Crawford
8th – ( F ) Chris Singleton ( 2011 1st round pick . . defensive specialist )
9th – ( PG ) Bibby
10th – ( C ) Collins
Benson . . Rolle . . . Sy
Starters would get heavy minutes, similar to the 2008 – 09 Hawk team that saw all of our starters average over 33 minutes a game. Zaza would probably lead the bench in minutes with around 19 per game, unless Jordan or Singleton emerged as an asset off the bench that needed more playing time.
Singleton would’ve been a guy that Hawks fans would’ve instantly fallen in love with, seeing that he’s what we all want Marvin to be right now.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
6:03 pm
Not a Horford fan, unless he’s playing PF next to a shot-blocking center and a shot-creating SF.
Not a Smith fan, unless he’s playing [PnR SF] next to a shot-blocking center and a [perimeter] PF.
Just Joe
December 9th, 2011
6:07 pm
Horford and Smith fan no matter what, but yes, would love to see a front court of those two next to Bynum, Howard, Chandler, Bogut, Jordan, Gasol, etc…
Sautee
December 9th, 2011
6:09 pm
“Not a Horford fan, unless he’s playing PF next to a shot-blocking center and a shot-creating SF.
Not a Smith fan, unless he’s playing [PnR SF] next to a shot-blocking center and a [perimeter] PF.”
So why aren’t you a Bucks fan? Or a Rocket’s fan? They seem to have the players you favor (or should we say Flavor?
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
6:10 pm
I was the first one to point out how stupid that Hinrich for 2 1st round picks and taking on slightly more salary was, but no; some racist posters that like to think that a white guy is always some type of high IQ player swore that it was good. I got banned from about 3 sites behind that horrible trade for my continuous hateful comments towards anyone that would support such. I have since learned to just sit back and observe. From that trade alone I learned who the truly intelligent posters are when it comes to the sport we are here to discuss. That trade was worse than any trade Billy Knight ever made. I promise you guys, if Sund had lottery pick after lottery pick there would be know doubt that he is worse than Billy Knight. I still think he is.
Ryan
December 9th, 2011
6:10 pm
Seems Rip is gonna sign with the Bulls so that def kills any S&T with the bulls. I hear that the Knicks want to dump Turiaf on the cheap to get cap room. Hmm….
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
6:15 pm
Keith Bogans will probably be cut. I think he would be a great addition as a defensive minded guy who can also knock down open shots.
SG Joe/McGrady/Bogans
We need all the quality depth we can get being we are going to have all these games crammed in. I have no faith in Pape or some undrafted guy. Just another excuse for losing.
Dept. Of Unintended Irony
December 9th, 2011
6:15 pm
“I promise you guys, if Sund had lottery pick after lottery pick there would be know doubt that he is worse than Billy Knight.”
Know doubt? I knew doubt and believe me you are no doubt.
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
6:16 pm
Ra’mon
December 9th, 2011
5:47 pm
Northcyde, how would that team make us softer? Only player you are really losing is Joe Johnson. Do you think Joe is the tough player on this team? If anything you’re able to be tougher, because you have MORE salary room to fill out the roster with hard nose players, because you save 6-7 million immediately!
*********************
Ramon . . you’re talking about Andrea Bargnani . . at center . . a guy who is arguably one of the poorest defenders among starting centers in the NBA. Even Horford dominates that dude.
Bargnani doesn’t defend nor does he rebound. All he’d represent is another big man on the team that would rather shoot 20 footers, than bang on the inside.
So yeah, adding Andrea Bargnani to the Hawks makes us hella soft. Tissue paper soft.
I know people despise JJ’s contract, but that’s an absolute horrible trade man. If Horford and Smith aren’t going to battle on the inside, Bargnani DEFINITELY isn’t going to battle. People want him to be the next Dirk, but at least Dirk will rebound. Bargnani doesn’t even rebound as well as Marvin.
DeRozan shot 9% from three last year. LOL . . he was 5 – 52 from 3. Damn . . even I can go 5 – 52.
So that trade makes us soft on the interior, plus adds a slasher who cannot shoot whatsoever from 3 point range.
I’ll pass on that trade, and just wait to amnesty JJ when he starts to fall off.
ryan
December 9th, 2011
6:21 pm
Its so depressing that we see these other teams make moves thanks to Joe Johnson contract we can’t do a damn thing passing on Paul was bad enough but $JJ will be the death of the Hawks .
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
6:33 pm
@ superior . . . I didn’t like the Hinrich trade because that trade wasn’t going to elevate us to EC Finals status. It seemed to be more of a desperation move to try to salvage a season that really started to slip away starting right before the All-Star break.
Bibby was almost useless, and Teague was still an off and on player. And while Hinrich was better than both, the trade didn’t make much sense. He wasn’t a game changing type player that we needed. I would’ve much rather saw Teague and Jordan get the playing time that Drew was giving to Bibby and Mo Evans, than trading them for Hinrich.
I still say that the Hawks made that move to prevent from paying even a little Luxury Tax, which may have happened had we kept Bibby, Jordan, and the 2011 draft pick. But if you’re a team that is not planning to make a big splash via free agency, the easiest way to get value out of cheap talent, is to keep your draft picks and see who develops out of it.
hawks_4_life
December 9th, 2011
6:35 pm
Bulls seem to really want Jamal, I hope we can get something done. The only way we can get out of these bad contracts is to start at the top with JJ.
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
6:38 pm
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
6:33 pm
@ superior . . . I didn’t like the Hinrich trade because that trade wasn’t going to elevate us to EC Finals status. It seemed to be more of a desperation move to try to salvage a season that really started to slip away starting right before the All-Star break.
Bibby was almost useless, and Teague was still an off and on player. And while Hinrich was better than both, the trade didn’t make much sense. He wasn’t a game changing type player that we needed. I would’ve much rather saw Teague and Jordan get the playing time that Drew was giving to Bibby and Mo Evans, than trading them for Hinrich.
I still say that the Hawks made that move to prevent from paying even a little Luxury Tax, which may have happened had we kept Bibby, Jordan, and the 2011 draft pick. But if you’re a team that is not planning to make a big splash via free agency, the easiest way to get value out of cheap talent, is to keep your draft picks and see who develops out of it.
Northcyde: We took on more salary to add Hinrich. So, he pushed us closer to the luxury than what we would have had with Bibby, Jordan, and the pick.
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
6:45 pm
Ryan . . . that’s BS.
We can’t ( or won’t ) do anything, because ownership REFUSES to make a trade of Horford or Smith for a player that may be a better fit chemistry wise . . . or they don’t make a trade deadline deal of a player that could bring us back some assets.
IF you were going to trade JJ, the time to do it was right before the 2010 trade deadline. It would’ve been hard to justify that trade though, seeing that he was having an All-NBA type year, and the Hawks were battling for a top 3 seed all the way until late March.
Had we’d not re-signed JJ, you’re playing Russian Roulette in free agency, because it would be a very distinct possibility that we wouldn’t have been a playoff team in 2010 – 11. And if that was the case, would a big name come here?
JJ’s contract doesn’t prevent this team for doing something. If they REALLY wanted to do something, they could do it. Heck . . trading Jamal for Samuel Dalembert may have been a start. At least then, we could see how “The Core” functions with a true center.
If it were successful, we’d retain Dalembert’s Bird Rights as he became an unrestricted free agent, giving us the option to either re-sign him and go into the Luxury Tax, or do a sign and trade for some extra pieces.
The ASG and Sund would rather play it safe by keeping what we have.
Wabe
December 9th, 2011
6:47 pm
I wouldn’t say Teague was an on and off player northcyde.
Dude literally got no chance to prove his worth. But when Hinrich went down, he actually got a chance to prove his worth without worrying about being yanked. And he showed he was clearly the better option.
Say what you want about JC2 being an undersized 2-gaurd, but he’d look pretty good in a Hawks uniform this season.
Same with those draft picks. Could’ve used those to fill out this roster with some talent.
tmc
December 9th, 2011
6:48 pm
these owners and this team needs to go away with the league.
Last one out of the building, turn off the lights. good riddance.
Wabe
December 9th, 2011
6:50 pm
But, in defense of the move to resign JJ, just look around at the NBA landscape right now.
Smaller-market teams are being forced to offer these outrageous contracts (like the one we gave JJ) just to hold onto their assets. Smaller-market owners have absolutely no leverage. So, for the Hawks, we might’ve saved a whole lot of cap space, but you’re still not looking at the Hawks having much chance to bring in any of these top-tier players because they’re fixated on playing in one of 6-7 markets with other superstars.
Wabe
December 9th, 2011
6:52 pm
aka…
This league is getting very laughable. You might as well contract 22 teams out of this league and just let these superstars have their Superteams.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
6:54 pm
Down Sizing!
“while Atlanta sends Al to the Rockets for D12 to come here.” -Ramon-
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Ra’mon I like what you’re trying to accomplish here. But, you gotta’ re-work that to get Houston to bite. They trying to get a true center too!
When has the Hawks with Horford ever beat Houston home or away? They’re not just take Horford while giving up the inside beast Scola and the sniper K-Mart so the Hawks can get D12.
Houston, having had Olajuwan and Yao Ming ain’t gone even look at our PF/C Horford, who they routinely man handled. Last time I checked, they like ZaZa more. The only reason the trade for Brad Miller and ZaZa fell through was because Miller failed the Hawks physical exam at the last trade deadline. They tried to ream us then.
One thing Houston’s GM know is how to evaluate a true center. Their problem with Yao is he was a freak … At 7′6″ he is just too large for the rigors of NBA basketball. His feet joints are too small and weak to support the height and weight on them. Stay away from freaks like 7′7″ George Murashan and Minute Bol (rip) those guys are just too big to play our game.
But hey, keep the ideas coming … Maybe Sund has figured how to use a computer by now and is readin the blog for some great ideas. He need all the help he can get. LOL!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
6:56 pm
I don’t think I am ready to live in a world where Marvin doesn’t walk like a duck anymore. Do we really have to come up with a new nickname for him?
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
6:56 pm
@ superior . . . I think the issue with keeping Bibby + Jordan + the draft pick would’ve arose this season, in regards of the luxury tax.
Hinrich makes 8 million
Bibby was due to make 6.2 million this season . . Jordan will make 1.1 million . . and the #19 pick ( which in the old CBA would’ve been somewhere around 1.2 million . . but probably lower now )
So that’s 8.5 million in salary between those 3 players.
Still . . what the ASG did was too much. They gave them Jordan + a 1st round pick. I guess the ASG had struck out so much on all of their other draft picks, that they didn’t even place any value on what assets they had.
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
7:06 pm
Najeh
I hope he hits a bunch 3’s, then we can call him the “Mad Bomber” or “08″….Hoping he gets back to his 2008 form.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
7:06 pm
Insightful!
“This league is getting very laughable. You might as well contract 22 teams out of this league and just let these superstars have their Superteams.” -Wabe-
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Great insight here! Wabe you’re right, these players would by pass college all together and go straight to the NBA – IF
they could!
Problem is, none of these scrubs know the fundamental skill of how to play pro basketball. The drop off in talent between the gifted player and þhe sifted player is huge. There is no middle class role/specialist players like Rodman was. If a guy could just do one thing and rebound like Kevin Love does, then at least every team could feature a rebounder. Of course Kevin can also score too.
But, naw we one and done players in every draft and they are developmental league players at best when they get here. This is a Grown Azz man’s league – not for these weak statured body frames. They all need to grow and put on weight when they get here. That’s why they can’t supplant an old horse like Otis Thorpe or Kurt Thomas.
They get schooled and man handled by these 39 year old dudes. Its a shame that a small market have to sift through slim pickin’s.
The entire league is filled with tweeners and scrubs at best.
Problem is they all end up on our Hawks bench.
Big Dog
December 9th, 2011
7:07 pm
Its been said that insanity is doing the same things over and over, expecting a different result. I don’t know that Id call that insanity or stubbornness, even stupidity.
Well, like Al Horford said when ask about his preference to play power forward rather than center…
You figure that Ch!t out.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
7:16 pm
I think Marvin is going to have great year! Cant believe I just typed that? It looks surreal on my computer screen…..lol
C’mon Marvin prove us RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
7:17 pm
MW Kool=Marvin
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
7:19 pm
” You might as well contract 22 teams out of this league and just let these superstars have their Superteams.”
They do need to contract some teams regardless of whether or not superstars want super teams. There is not enough talent in the league in any given year for all 30 teams to feel competitive.
I may be betraying some ignorance here, since I don’t like or know much about soccer, but if I’m not mistaken the English Premier League is something like 15-20 teams, all concentrated in big cities (I think metro London has like 4 or 5 teams). Long term this may be a more profitable and competitively balanced arrangement for the NBA. 3 teams each in NYC, LA, and Chicago, then one each in, for example, DC, Boston, the Bay Area, ATL, Miami, Dallas, Philadelphia, and Houston.
Maybe that is unfair to cities like Indianapolis or Charlotte, but the current arrangement isn’t fair to those cities either. It is foolish to ignore the reality that superstars want to play in big markets. And it’s not like the English Premier League with their arrangement has any issues with remaining popular in cities where they are not represented.
To be honest, if the league had a commissioner who cared more about the long term health of the game than his own ego, I think the Bobcats and Hornets would have been contracted already.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
7:21 pm
Go big sometimes and put ISO at the 1, and Grady at the 2? Huge back court!
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
7:21 pm
By the way, if it hasn’t been posted already, here is the training camp roster. The T-Mac and Collins signings are official, Keith Benson is also signed, and Stackhouse is in training camp.
Paddy
December 9th, 2011
7:29 pm
ASG is just going to tread water in front of a half empty arena until they can find a sucker to buy a NBA team. Maybe someone in St. Louis will take them back!
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
7:29 pm
Brilliant!
Najeh your post re: concentrated teams in fewer cities is just brilliant! The big cities would have some serious rivalries – serious ones.
Nice.
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
7:36 pm
Drmaryb, the center that Houston want is M. Gasol. They were looking to get P. Gasol to play PF. Horford is better than Scola at the PF. Horford is younger and way cheaper than Gasol.
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
7:38 pm
Drmaryb, I get what you’re saying now, lol. Its funny.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
7:44 pm
Centered!
Ra’mon I didn’t see the part where Houston get Marc and Pau? Hmmm … Why can’t the Hawks do that? How come we get all the left overs?
I loathe ASKG! Until they leave – I’m thrashing them daily and relentlessly, every chance I get.
FIRE ASKG!
FIRE SUND!
FIRE DREW!
Upgrade.
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
7:49 pm
Najeh . . . this issue isn’t about “market”. It’s about how well you run your team.
Portland would be a JUGGERNAUT right now, had it not been for the injuries to Roy and Oden. Roy wasn’t going anywhere, and Portland would’ve matched any offer for Oden in restricted free agency. So that was going to be a team that would’ve been very good for the next 3 – 5 years . . at least.
Oklahoma City is poised to be what Portland would’ve been. They’re going to be the juggernaut, depending on what happens with Russell Westbrook next summer. Durant will be there for the next 4 years. And if he wins a title or two in OKC, I don’t know if he’ll be so quick to run to LA or NYC to play ball. He MIGHT go to Washington DC and play back home.
San Antonio won 4 titles as a small market team and Duncan stayed there for life.
Memphis is on the rise . . a rapid rise . and has their 3 main guys locked up ( Randolph, Gay, Conley ) for the next 4 years . . with possibly Marc Gasol being locked up long term as well.
I mean, you’ve talked ad nauseum about how the ASG has either mismanaged or flat out missed their chance to make us great.
It’s about how these teams are run . . not what market they’re in. Had Lebron or Melo or Howard or Paul won a championship with their respective team, I bet they all would’ve stayed.
Amare didn’t want to leave Phoenix, they simply didn’t want to pay him a MAX deal.
Deron didn’t force himself out of Utah. They made that proactive move themselves for fear of losing him for nothing. And even Deron spent 5 1/2 years in Utah.
These teams are doing this to themselves.
Minnesota . . drafting all of those point guards a few years ago, but trading the best one out of the group ( Ty Lawson ) and passing on the best PG in that draft ( Stephen Curry ).
Charlotte . . drafts Adam Morrison, but passes on Brandon Roy and Rudy Gay ( that’s the Shelden Williams draft, by the way ).
US . . . passing on both Paul and Deron Williams in 2005 . . then taking Shelden in 2006. That’s two top 5 picks for us, and we basically failed to get a star player with both picks.
Nah man . . . this “market” stuff isn’t like baseball, in which a team like Kansas City simply can’t outbid the Yankees and Red Sox for players. These “bad teams” need to make the most out of their draft picks, while also building their team correctly via free agency.
And these ‘bad teams’ don’t have to literally give away assets to these large market teams either. Too many teams simply do salary dumps to these large market teams, and give them the pieces that they want or need.
FreshFromATL
December 9th, 2011
7:50 pm
Wabe,
The thing is though, the Hawks are not a “small” market team. The Hawks just have terrible owners.
WhitePeopleLoveUsher
December 9th, 2011
7:51 pm
Welcome 2 Atlanta, Keith Bogans!!!
You heard it hear first!!!
I have top secret, inside sources
WhitePeopleLoveUsher
December 9th, 2011
7:51 pm
here-
Billy
December 9th, 2011
7:52 pm
McGrady is the most overrated “superstar” I’ve ever seen!! Not sure how he can help the Hawks, even coming off the bench!
WhitePeopleLoveUsher
December 9th, 2011
7:56 pm
Sources: The Hawks now have a decent perimeter defender in Keith Bogans
WhitePeopleLoveUsher
December 9th, 2011
7:59 pm
Top Secret Sources: Possibly Korver too. Hang on for the WILD ride, folks.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
8:01 pm
@ FreshFromATL! Amen bruh.
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@ northcyde … Wow! Your response to Najeh is hard to argue with. Nice posts from both of you. Fantastic arguments on both side. Now, I have a lot to chew on.
I have nothing to add to any of either comment. Keep it coming!
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
8:01 pm
Jeff Foster resigned 1 year deal with Pacers. He is someone we could’ve really used.
Oh wait, we only offer free agents to 1 year veteran minimum deals.
SMDH
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
8:02 pm
listening to Sam Mitchell on NBATV
wish the Hawks wouldve taken a look at him..
WhitePeopleLoveUsher
December 9th, 2011
8:02 pm
BENCH
________
McGrady
Bogans
Korver
Pachulia
Rolle
Sy?
??, etc.
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
8:03 pm
just spoke on something i mention last year..
making a call to orlando and seeing if you can get Dwight for Wade/LBJ..
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
8:06 pm
if you’re Orlando.. you’re not getting better value that arguably one of the 2 best in the world.. franchise cornerstones..
Mia rids themselves of a your turn my turn situation from 2 players who need the rock..
read the idea of someone recommending James playing as a big.. IMO if he was in need of a position change, he would translate easily to a PG.
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
8:07 pm
I wouldn’t mind Bogans in the mix here. He’d definitely be an upgrade over Damien Wilkins as a defensive SG.
PG – Teague / Hinrich
G – Johnson / Bogans
F – Marvin / T-Mac
PF – Smith / Benson
C – Horford / Zaza
SMH @ Lamar Odom crying because he got traded. HAHAHAHA . . are you serious? This is the first I’m hearing of this interview. See, this is why people have always called you SOFT . . . Lamar. HAHA . . he really took that trade personal.
Lamar . . you are NOT Chris Paul. He is a future Hall of Famer. You are a good role player ( on both the court and even on your reality show in which your wife is the real star ).
I bet Stephen A wanted to crack up laughing at this dude, but tried his best to sound sincere. Stephen A is sounding like Dr Phil in this interview.
http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=7333531
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
8:12 pm
UGH!
HawksPRGuy AT – HawksPRGuy
RT @ajchawks: #Hawks coach Drew says right now Sy is No. 2 PG and “we’ll see who shakes loose” in FA. Says T-Mac will play some PG too.
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
8:15 pm
lol..
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
8:15 pm
AJ, would you rather have Bibby instead of Sy as No. 2 pg?
Ra'mon
December 9th, 2011
8:16 pm
I wonder if worst case scenario if Bibby would sign here for the minimum to be the third pg off the bench.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
8:20 pm
Ignorant Troll!
Hey fellas, please “Scroll-A-Troll” top secret inside source translation: Tyrone and his cousin Boo-Boo ‘Nem.
If it ain’t coming from Najeh and Adrian Wojo with live links? That’s how you know when to “Get your Scroll on”
MC, can you block these gnats?
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
8:21 pm
WE RESIGNED JASON COLLINS.
THE OWNERS AND FRONT OFFICE DID NOT SEE HIM ALL SUMMER BECAUSE OF THE LOCKOUT AND HE WAS GONE YESTERDAY. HOW DO WE KNOW HE DIDN’T GAIN 150 POUNDS AND OUR INEPT STAFF DIDN’T JUST WIRE HIM THE FORM TO FILL OUT?
ALSO, WE WON’T PLAY DWIGHT 4 TIMES THIS YEAR SO IT MAKES COLLINS LESS USEFUL
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
8:23 pm
what is in the water in Portland? Oden has another injury, had to restructure his latest offer.. and Lamarcus was held out with b/c of injury…
FreshFromATL
December 9th, 2011
8:26 pm
I’m interested in seeing what Sy has since he is LD’s “secret” project.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
8:27 pm
Ducks in Oregon!
Sekou Smith on NBA TV just reported:
Gregg Oden failed his physical today and has agreed to re-work his contract.
Lamarcus Aldridge failed his team physical and the problem is undisclosed.
Brandon Roy is retiring. (we already knew that)
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Wow! I guess we shouldn’t complain to much over here – hugh? At least we are young and healthy – in our prime. I thought we had a hex on us, but know I feel bad for Portland. Get Well Soon – Portland! God Bless your health, I hope Lamarcus is ok and it is not seriously bad.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
8:29 pm
“Ignorant Troll!
Hey fellas, please “Scroll-A-Troll” top secret inside source translation: Tyrone and his cousin Boo-Boo ‘Nem.
If it ain’t coming from Najeh and Adrian Wojo with live links? That’s how you know when to “Get your Scroll on””
LOL. Can we also do something about this Jeff.Joe.Bogut guy? FFS no one wants Leuer on this team. Guy posts a Dickens novel with each post
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
8:30 pm
Greg Oden has another problem with his knee….. I am so glad the Hawks got the 3rd pick that year and OKC is very happy with the 2nd.
The NBA 80% luck, 15% other kind of luck and 5% skill.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
8:31 pm
Feel bad for Portland. Definitely agree with Northcyde about how they’re cursed.
2 years ago [I think?] Pryz (who is universally loved on this blog) went down with that injury, I think a few weeks after Oden.
What could have been:
Lawson
B.Roy
Wallace
Aldridge
Oden
DAYUM!!!
I’ll say this again: The Hawks are NEVER EVER GOIN TO GO INTO THE LT. THE OWNERS DO NOT WANT TO WIN. WE DO NOT HAVE MONEY TO SPEND ON FREE AGENTS. PATHETIC
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
8:31 pm
Dough Boy!
Dang! Melo on NBa TV right now, he looked like Shawn Kemp after a lock out. Wow! He looked like Big Baby on my screen, I almost didn’t recognize it was Melo until she said his name.
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
8:33 pm
Sam Mitchell is very good.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
8:34 pm
Northcyde: “Still . . what the ASG did was too much. They gave them Jordan + a 1st round pick. I guess the ASG had struck out so much on all of their other draft picks, that they didn’t even place any value on what assets they had”
I’m not too upset about losing Jordan Crawford. He is one of those giddy guys in the intramural league who waits at halfcourt while everyone else plays defense then begs for the ball when his team gets the rebound so he can shoot. What I am mad about though is that we didn’t make a stronger push for Al Thornton (WHO WAS RELEASED SHORTLY AFTER THE TRADE AND IS AN ATL NATIVE) or McGhee/Blatche.
We also gave up Mo Evans who is a nice bench piece, although Damien did fine for us
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
8:35 pm
“Dough Boy!
Dang! Melo on NBa TV right now, he looked like Shawn Kemp after a lock out. Wow! He looked like Big Baby on my screen, I almost didn’t recognize it was Melo until she said his name.”
LOL. I saw a pic of him standing next to D.Fish, Mo, and others as Fish and Hunter talked about the lockout (maybe 2 months ago). He was wearing an orange/yellowish shirt.
Dude has a gut – no homo. Melo does not impress me as all as an NBA Player. Cannot wait til he starts getting into it with Woody about his lackadaisical defense.
GO WOODY!!!!!
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
8:39 pm
Here it is:
http://nimg.sulekha.com/sports/original700/derek-fisher-carmelo-anthony-lebron-james-ray-allen-dwyane-wade-2011-9-30-20-50-58.jpg
And Horford says we need to add more players. Maybe that’s true, BUT YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY DEFEBSE
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
8:39 pm
20 assist.
Will Teague have a 20 assist game the year?
tjhook
December 9th, 2011
8:39 pm
How does everyone feel about a Marvin Williams for Richard Jefferson trade. We may have to throw in a second player (like Zaza) to make the money right but we can get the Red Rocket (Matt Bonner) and a a pick. They may even consider giving us Tiago Splitter (who can play the four and five). But the goal would be getting a veteran who can put the ball in the basket to replace Williams’ inconsistent play.
tjhook
December 9th, 2011
8:41 pm
And as far as big men, we can bring in another like Hilton Armstrong to join Jason Collins. Or maybe even Solomon Jones again.
Wabe
December 9th, 2011
8:41 pm
It is about markets…
Dude, teams in big markets can go minus a draft because they can land premier talent in FA.
Teams like the Blazers, OKC, and Memphis drafted well. FA’s wouldn’t be lining up to play there.
The Hawks are the Hawks because:
a – they can’t draft
b – they can’t court big name FA’s
Thus, we’re screwed. But, markets are big. Bigger market teams don’t have to hit on every one of their draft picks to be successful. They can bring in talent through free agency. Look at the Lakers roster.
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
8:42 pm
Ra’mon, seriously, there are a bunch of other guys I’d take as Teague’s back-up that are NOT named Pape Sy (who may be a good defensive wing player at some point). In no particular order, I’d take Anthony Carter, Antonio Daniel, Acie Law, Ronnie Price, TJ Ford or Mustafa Shakur.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
8:43 pm
ALL HORFORD WORKS ON IS HIS SPEED AND HIS JUMPSHOT.
HE HAS MADE NO DEDICATION TO AN EFFECTIVE POST-GAME, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, DEFENSE
ASK WORLDWIDE CLYDE OR NORTHCYDE. THEY ARE THE RESIDENT HORFORD EXPERTS.
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
8:45 pm
tjhook, Jefferson was so consistent that the Spurs are considering cutting him loose. I think you are thinking of the RJ that played 5 years ago, the current version isn’t much better than Marvin (without the excuse of a bad back).
Wabe
December 9th, 2011
8:46 pm
I’m not denying we have terrible ownership…
But take a situation like the one Denver was in. They played in the Western Conference finals. They built that team up pretty well. Then they’re forced to trade away the ’star player’ they drafted because he was lured to a bigger market team.
Even drafting well doesn’t gaurantee you anything. You can draft well, and watch your assets choose to go elsewhere.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
8:47 pm
“Oklahoma City is poised to be what Portland would’ve been. They’re going to be the juggernaut, depending on what happens with Russell Westbrook next summer. Durant will be there for the next 4 years. And if he wins a title or two in OKC, I don’t know if he’ll be so quick to run to LA or NYC to play ball. He MIGHT go to Washington DC and play back home.
San Antonio won 4 titles as a small market team and Duncan stayed there for life.”
This is all true. But looking at superstars in the aggregate, there is a much, MUCH higher percentage of them that would like to go from small markets to big markets. Duncan is the exception to the rule. Blake Griffin is from OKC, but I can guarantee you he is not going to opt out of his Clippers deal to try to sign there, no matter how well that organization is run.
Of course running an organization well is key. But even then, a well-run organization in a big market is going to have a lot of options open to it that a well-run organization in a small market just won’t have. OKC is well run, but they also got lucky by being able to draft two superstars, at least one of whom seems like he enjoys being there. The possibility of a team like OKC pulling off a Gasol trade or a KG trade and being able to sign that player to an extension is still much lower than the possibility of the Lakers or Celtics being able to pull off such a move. That is a disadvantage under which that team will ALWAYS operate, no matter how they run their team.
“Nah man . . . this “market” stuff isn’t like baseball, in which a team like Kansas City simply can’t outbid the Yankees and Red Sox for players. These “bad teams” need to make the most out of their draft picks, while also building their team correctly via free agency.”
Competitive balance has been an issue in Major League Baseball for a long time, but even there, it is possible for a team like Tampa to continue to be competitive year in and year out if they draft well year in and year out. As their rookies become too expensive, they bring up the next wave of talent from AAA. It is actually harder to pull this off for a low-budget team in the NBA, because typically even if a team is lucky enough to draft one superstar, they no longer suck enough to draft another one in a subsequent draft. Inevitably, that leads to situations like LeBron in Cleveland or CP3 in New Orleans, where that star makes that team competitive enough to make the playoffs year in and year out, gets tired of not having enough help, and eventually decides to leave.
This goes back to the problem of the NBA’s talent pool being the shallowest of the three major sports. A skilled GM for the Rays can draft four or five future above-average major-league players in one draft. A skilled GM for the Hornets might still end up coming out of a draft with only a role player to show for it, because there are just not enough future stars in each draft. One possible solution to this issue is to make the NBA draft eligibility rules for domestic players similar to those for international players, where you can draft the rights to a player and sign him later. That way, if a team drafts a LeBron, they can hold off on signing him until they can suck for another year and draft another star to go with him.
And to compound this problem, a team full of above average players can win a championship in baseball or football, whereas that is next to impossible in basketball. You mention Memphis as a team on the rise, but do you really think that team has any shot at a championship? You really think Randolph/Gay/Gasol is going to beat LeBron/Wade/Bosh or Allen/Pierce/Garnett or CP3/Kobe/Bynum in a playoff series?
Memphis is a fun team to watch, but if a small market team’s best hope is to a) sign an out of shape malcontent who magically turns his career around and reaches his potential ten years into his career and b) trade their best player for one of the biggest busts of all time and have his little brother thrown in the deal, only to see the little brother blossom into a better player than anyone thought he would be, that isn’t exactly a foolproof plan.
The point I am making is not that building a contender in a small market is impossible, but rather that it is so much harder than building a contender in a big market that a small-market team owner cannot realistically expect long stretches of success. In fact, I would bet that even San Antonio, the shining example of small market success, is going to go in the tank for a long time once Duncan and Popovich retire.
“I mean, you’ve talked ad nauseum about how the ASG has either mismanaged or flat out missed their chance to make us great.”
The reason I am so hard on the DASG is because they are actually in a very desirable market, and they STILL have found a way to screw it up. We don’t live in Minneapolis. There is no reason why the Hawks should be run like a small market franchise. Athletes WANT to be here. A ton of athletes who don’t have any outside connection to this city live here and spend time here. Really, other than NYC, LA, and the Florida franchises, ATL should be the next most desirable free agent destination if everything else was equal. The reason it is not is solely because of the DASG’s dysfunction. I don’t have enough fingers to count the number of avid NBA fans I know in this city who support some team other than the Hawks because they are tired of the Hawks sucking.
If the Hawks had made it to the second round three years in a row and they were in Memphis or Charlotte, I might not be so hard on the DASG. Then again, if the DASG operated a franchise in one of those markets, they probably wouldn’t have been able to get their team to the second round even once.
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
8:51 pm
northcyde
December 9th, 2011
6:56 pm
@ superior . . . I think the issue with keeping Bibby + Jordan + the draft pick would’ve arose this season, in regards of the luxury tax.
Hinrich makes 8 million
Bibby was due to make 6.2 million this season . . Jordan will make 1.1 million . . and the #19 pick ( which in the old CBA would’ve been somewhere around 1.2 million . . but probably lower now )
So that’s 8.5 million in salary between those 3 players.
Still . . what the ASG did was too much. They gave them Jordan + a 1st round pick. I guess the ASG had struck out so much on all of their other draft picks, that they didn’t even place any value on what assets they had.
Okay, so we would have paid out $500,000 more to Mike Bibby, Jordan Crawford, and a 1st rd pick. That is still far superior to Kirk Hinrich. In what world is $500,000 the price for 2 1st round picks?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
8:51 pm
“How does everyone feel about a Marvin Williams for Richard Jefferson trade.”
Richard Jefferson is getting amnestied. No need to give up anything for him, not that I am all that impressed with him as a possible addition anyway.
Ryan
December 9th, 2011
8:51 pm
question…..could we amnesty Joe…then resign him to the Vet Min? He gets paid and we get cap room?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
8:51 pm
By the way the Knicks are trying to sign the Bibbster.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
8:52 pm
“question…..could we amnesty Joe…then resign him to the Vet Min? He gets paid and we get cap room?”
Nah, can’t sign a player that you amnesty.
Wabe
December 9th, 2011
8:53 pm
co-sign Najeh
Said it better than anybody else could’ve.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
8:53 pm
I am with Astro Joe on Pape Sy. I don’t deny that he might be a serviceable NBA player. But I have seen nothing out of him that indicates he can be a serviceable NBA point guard.
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
8:54 pm
Hawks up..
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
8:55 pm
Shake – Shake – Shake!
OMG! “See who shakes loose.” – Drew -
____________________
Is that the plan? To stand under an UFA tree and hope something shakes loose? Well, who’s gonna’ be shaking the tree? How hard is the tree shaker gonna’ shake it – real hard?
The Hawks management is like that vending machine you see at the carnival and some sports bars. You know the ones where you continuously feed it $1.00 bills and guide the silver three pronged gripper over a cute little stuffed animal. When you grip it, you have to drop it into the big hole and give it to your girl?
Problem is, every time you grab it? The claw let’s it go just before you swing it over the hole!
That’s what the Hawks do with FA. They stand under a Dollar Tree and wait for “Too Much Good Stuff” to fall into the Bargain Bin – they wait for something to shake loose.
Something irregular, you know where the seams and thread don’t line up and match.
Hell, I bet all 8 of the ASKG camp out in the parking lot over night and bum rush the Bin when the doors open. A stampede – no doubt!
The better teams are shopping at Rich’s! LOL!
The Lakers are over at The Louis Vutton Shop – Shopping!
SMH
Melvin
December 9th, 2011
8:55 pm
NBA TV is at the Hawks training camp right now…
Melvin
December 9th, 2011
8:55 pm
They are interviewing LD right now…
Melvin
December 9th, 2011
8:58 pm
I hope the Hawks sign TMac to a 2 year deal with a team option for year 2 just in case he plays well.
tyger
December 9th, 2011
9:01 pm
Plethora of veteran shooting guards suddenly available:
Hawks only $2.5M under luxury tax, so unless they get creative, or something “shakes loose”:
Gilbert Arenas – Amnesty
Vince Carter – $4M buyout
Chauncey Billups – Amnesty
Rip Hamilton – $14M buyout
Jamal Crawford – Free Agent
Michael Redd – Free Agent
I know theyre all racing to Miami, NYK, LAL, Chicago but “real” money is equally hard to turn down, so the under the cap teams will get a shot at them, but most of them are in re-build mode and want their youngsters to play so hope is alive.
We need a veteran PG (Billups) and a backup SG/F (Vinsanity) and roll with Horford/ZaZa/Collins.
Billups Teague Hinrich
Johnson V. Carter Sy
Williams T. McGrady Stackhouse
J. Smoove Benson Rolle
Horford Pachulia Collins
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
9:01 pm
“pieces that compliment what we do”… what do we do?
“versatility”… umm, has gotten us nowhere.. we need some specialist, and some defined roles..
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
9:04 pm
Mavs are trying to sign Vince Carter to replace DeShawn Stevenson (which makes them worse in my opinion but whatever).
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
9:04 pm
I don’t think market size is all tha significant, it is about owners willing to pay into the luxury tax. Guys don’t want to play in LA, they want to play for the Lakers. They aren’t attracted to the Nets (NYC’s TV market). Is anyone anxious to go to Philly? Who has a bigger TV market, Philly or Miami? If you go to a luxury-tax paying owner, you have a better chance to go deep in the playoffs and win a title. Heck, guys were interested in going to Cleveland (yeah, Cleveland) when LBJ was there and Hilbert was forking over the money. Sorry, this is all about guys taking the easy way to glory by joining forces.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
9:05 pm
As far as the Hawks are concerned, I think more than anything they need a quality big guy. I don’t know whether there are quality bigs available at the Hawks’ asking price, but they need to try to get someone else who can come in and provide some toughness inside, preferably also some shot blocking. I think this is a bigger priority than adding any more depth in the back court or on the wings.
Wabe
December 9th, 2011
9:05 pm
Vince Carter’s close to signing with the Mavs…
ESPN
Chris Palmer
Vince Carter close to signing with Mavericks. (via @ESPNSteinline)
Big Ray
December 9th, 2011
9:06 pm
Did I hear that right? Pape Sy is currently our #2 PG?
Personally, I never saw him as a PG. Either a SG or a SF. And I don’t trust a French “PG” under the tutelage of Larry Drew. We all saw how Jeff Teague was “groomed.”
ryan
December 9th, 2011
9:06 pm
Pacers are interested in Crawford do there any chance we can get Danny Granger .
Big Ray
December 9th, 2011
9:07 pm
Who is Bill Ingram, and why has he tweeted that a sign-n-trade with Jamal Crawford (and Bogans going to the Hawks) is imminent?
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
9:07 pm
“I don’t think market size is all tha significant, it is about owners willing to pay into the luxury tax. ”
This may be at least partially true, but as long as teams get to individually negotiate TV deals without having to share the revenue, the big market teams are invariably going to be the ones that are more willing to spend more money.
Just Joe
December 9th, 2011
9:08 pm
So Joe says we need a banger down low, and Josh says we need a knock down shooter. Horford says we need a couple more guys. I think they are all correct.
Big Ray
December 9th, 2011
9:09 pm
Suns cut Gani Lawal loose. I’d take that guy in a heartbeat over Magnum Rolle.
Jason Collins Part III does not excite me at all. Funny how Joe is now saying we need a guy down low. It’s an epidemic, I tell ya.
j-big
December 9th, 2011
9:10 pm
The only way this team competes is if we could get Billups. Any chance that could happen?
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
9:10 pm
i wanted the Hawks to draft Gani.. tough, hard nosed, rebounds the ball, and a reserve big who can finish at the rim..
Big Ray
December 9th, 2011
9:11 pm
Inmates running the asylum. Horford may as well just be saying that Collins and Pachulia aren’t going to cut it for centers (gee…really?). Joe may as well be agreeing with him. Josh says they need a knock-down shooter….could that mean he’s acknowledged the fact that HE IS NOT THAT GUY…and will therefore stop trying to play like it? One can only hope.
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
9:11 pm
ajchawks Michael Cunningham
Josh Smith calls for “knock-down shooter”: “I’m not asking for Kyle Korver, but a guy who can just spread the floor.”
Why, is Josh going to be some place other than 20 feet from the basket?
Big Ray
December 9th, 2011
9:12 pm
bigdave ,
So did I, my friend. Now we have a chance at snagging him, watch us pass him right by…as we work out another 1 year deal for Jason “I’m only good for guarding Dwight” Collins. Let’s go out and get Etan Thomas again. He can ride the pine as well as anybody and gives us “never gonna use it” depth…
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
9:13 pm
when the Hawks drafted Sy LD went on record saying he could run point..
from what i saw in summer league play, he wasnt horrible but, i question handle and how well he can defend the position..
The Hawks Will Some Day Win a Championship
December 9th, 2011
9:16 pm
FIRE SUND
fcnatl85
December 9th, 2011
9:16 pm
Certianly interested by Garcia to back-up Smoothe or Horford…
Hawks Basketball...
December 9th, 2011
9:16 pm
The best things for sure this season, concerning hawks basketball, is not having to spend one damn dime on them. NO tickets, NO parking, NO souvenirs, and NO popcorn.
Big Ray
December 9th, 2011
9:19 pm
bigdave ,
I like Sy. I don’t know why, but I like the kid…at least a little bit. But I did NOT see a pg when I saw him. Nothing about him says he can either – 1) Initiate the offense, or 2) hit the open jumper.
You have to be able to do one of those two to play any version of PG on this team. Hell, on most teams…
Big Ray
December 9th, 2011
9:19 pm
I think Sy will be a better defender than anything else. He can drive the ball some. Didn’t see much else from him…but then…didn’t see much of him at all.
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
9:27 pm
i agree.. but, having not see one in so long.. im not sure what a PG is asked to do in our “offense”.
id openly welcome a guy who attempts to get to the rim..
im sick of the jump shots either on.. or we lose Hawk team..
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
9:27 pm
Pape Sy is French for Mario West.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
9:28 pm
P90X Insanity!
Dayum! Grandmaster JeJe you just outed Melo. That dude looked satisfied. He should have stood behind somebody, nice blouse though, (LaLa must have layed his clothes out) so, no dimes would hit on him that day!
GM-JeJe! Melo looks like an old married man. I guess we knew what he was doing in the off season – hitting every Chinese Buffet in New York?
Just because it says – All You Can Eat? Doesn’t mean you have to eat all of it. 4 games in 5 days? Melo is gonna’ be winded in the 1st quarter of game 1.
I thought he was a SMALL Forward – he looks like a XXXL Forward to me.
Is that Baron Davis dressed like a Muslim! The Beard? Is that a towel wrapped around his head. Why not wear an Armani Suit for a serious negotiation? How embarrassing.
Come on guys, didn’t Stern give yawl a dress code?
LOl! Nice link from GM-JeJe … Ha Ha – ROF. Who’s gonna’ feed Melo the ball – he just might eat it. Without Chauncey, that team is gonna’ struggle badly. Who is their GM – Isaiah Thomas? LOL!
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
9:31 pm
Earl Watson got 4.6mil over 2 years…..he isn’t that good.
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
9:33 pm
As currently constructed this Hawks team is just what T.I. called Shawty Lo and his boys. “A bunch of walking dusty shi.. stains”
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
9:35 pm
lol @ stro Joe..
sigh
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
9:35 pm
superior..
lol.. yep
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
9:38 pm
we’d be aight if we played with more of an edge..
but you know you in trouble when your big guys, who supposed to be your dogs, asking for help..
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
9:39 pm
Korver
Did Josh say Korvers name in that quote?…
The Real Mandingo
December 9th, 2011
9:40 pm
Al Horford, Joe Johnson, Josh Smith, Larry Drew, Vince Cellini and, probably even, Dominique Wilkens are hoping, wishing, praying and secretly lobbying that Rick Sund and the ASG re-sign Jamal Crawford. You can just feel it in their communcation, discussions and vocabulary regarding the Hawks’ free agency moves and options. They know the value of Jamal Crawford’s offensive and scoring ability off the bench.
Message to Hawks’ Management: Re-sign Jamal Crawford or you will be sorry you didn’t.
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
9:40 pm
Using the Childress exception on Turiaf would be nice. Legit rebounder AND rim defender who doesn;t try to shoot jumpers (like Josh Powell).
Meanwhile, Ric Bucher of ESPN says the Knicks are trying to trade Ronny Turiaf and $3 million to clear more cap room.
Ryan
December 9th, 2011
9:42 pm
I’d like Turiaf as the back up big man.
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
9:51 pm
Enter your comments here
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
9:51 pm
Resigning Jamal means we give up more points and score more points per game. It also means we pay someone to not show up many games.
WE NEED BIG BODIES.
WE NEED BIG BODIES.
WE NEED BIG BODIES.
WE NEED BIG BODIES.
WE NEED BIG BODIES.
Melvin
December 9th, 2011
9:54 pm
Guards – Jamal Crawford, Delonte West, Michael Redd
Bigs- Yi Jianlian, Troy Murphy, Carl Landry, Reggie Evans Kwame Brown or Joel Przybilla
Pick one from each group and lets go….
Hawks Basketball...
December 9th, 2011
9:55 pm
just settle for a BIG popcorn, with butter.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
9:56 pm
LOL @ DrMaryB.
LOL Chinese Buffet. Damn!
package Smoove + Hinrich for best big available. Does ANYONE in this league want to give up a rough 6″11 player for some cap relief?
Wow if we had DeAndre Jordan at the 5 we’d be so F’ing set right now. Northcyde, what you think about DJ? No way we get him of course.
HoRFORD TOUGHEN UP
Melvin
December 9th, 2011
9:58 pm
Craig Sager wardrobe is in season form. My gosh that coat and tie is ugly….
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
9:58 pm
Melvin,
I’d take Delonte and Reggie in heartbeat. I think Pryz is taking year off and no way I’d come close to touching Michael Redd at this point- no homo
Astro Joe
December 9th, 2011
9:59 pm
http://projects.ajc.com/gallery/view/sports/hawks/hawks-camp-120911/
Joe really looks noticeably smaller.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
10:01 pm
Wedgie Evans would be a great pickup for this team.
brigadierjerry
December 9th, 2011
10:02 pm
Wabe
December 9th, 2011
8:41 pm
It is about markets…
Dude, teams in big markets can go minus a draft because they can land premier talent in FA.
Teams like the Blazers, OKC, and Memphis drafted well. FA’s wouldn’t be lining up to play there.
The Hawks are the Hawks because:
a – they can’t draft
b – they can’t court big name FA’s
Thus, we’re screwed. But, markets are big. Bigger market teams don’t have to hit on every one of their draft picks to be successful. They can bring in talent through free agency. Look at the Lakers roster.
I agree with this. As others have stated the Hawks are not a small market team but they treat the team like they are management that is. To be good especially in the NBA, you have to take some chances and pay into the luxury tax. Atlanta is a big market and a good location. I never get the impression that the Hawks are marketed correctly. There are many fans but you wouldnt know it in regards to the media. It is as if they are an afterthought.
Look at Boston. This is probably their last run with that group but they are making moves. Got rid of Glen Davis RIvers didnt think he was working hard enough for Brandon Bass. They resigned Jeff Green and just signed Chris Wilcox. Next year they will have a lot of cap space and even if Howard or Deron wont be available for them, they will still be in good shape
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
10:05 pm
X-Factor this year: Horford’s Game! Especially on Defense..(Show up like All NBA Al can)….
Grady competing for 6th man award!
Must mention 6′9.5″ (he’s standing up straight now) Marvin Williams from N. Carolina!
C’mon Marvin make us Proud to be Hawks fans…..
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
10:10 pm
DeAndre Jordan is the real deal Holyfield! Think of Josh on Defense but bigger! A RIM PROTECTOR!
ECF contenders if the Hawks could pull it off and get him…We can dream cant we?
FreshFromATL
December 9th, 2011
10:10 pm
For anyone wondering about Collins current condition…
From MC’s Twitter:
Al Horford saw Jason Collins recently and said “he’s in even better shape” than last season.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
10:11 pm
Sad thing is there really are no big men available out there.
Back in 90s RIck Smits was like the 8th or 9th best Center. Today he would be top 3.
I wish ZaZa was more talented so he could play more minutes and maybe start.
*Yawn*
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
10:14 pm
this is just getting funny…
Al Horford: “I think we are supposed to get another big here and I am waiting to see who and what it’s going to be.”
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
10:14 pm
who and what?
brigadierjerry
December 9th, 2011
10:15 pm
The Hawks remind me of the Blazers somewhat minus the injuries the Blazers have had. Underrated player is Lamarcus Aldridge I actually like his game better than Horford.
Sad to see B ROy retired was a very good player was a cereberal type player. Reminded me of Clyde Frazier. Also Greg Oden with another setback. I think Oden not built for the rigors of the NBA as far as his body is concerned
Melvin
December 9th, 2011
10:15 pm
Ok AL, you made your point. Anymore public pleas to sign another big and I may start calling you a Cry baby…
Al Horford: “I think we are supposed to get another big here and I am waiting to see who and what it’s going to be.”
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
10:15 pm
If any TWO (2) of the SIX (6) below happens we will be in very very good shape this year:
1) Horford plays defense
2) Smoove ATTACKs the basket and does NOT take one jumpshot
3) Marvin averages about 14 a game, fights for rebounds, and DOESN’T get hurt
4) ZaZa stays physical and stops these MJ fadeaway moves to try draw And-1s
5) T-Mac gets featured in our 2nd unit
6) Joe stays healthy
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
10:15 pm
how does Al know..?
Ryan
December 9th, 2011
10:15 pm
Maybe Al knows something we dont know…..I doubt it…but maybe
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
10:16 pm
Marvin rolling with the Jay-Z Fro
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
10:17 pm
From Picture 10 of the gallery link:
“Josh Smith shoots the ball as workouts commence.”
WTF
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
10:19 pm
Mr. Big Shot!
Why can’t we waive Marvin and amnesty Kirk for Billups?
That’s 15.5M right there and Billups would draw a nice crowd at the Arena.
I would buy season tickets to see Mr. Big Shot right away, even if he take turns starting with Teague in those 4 games in 5 days.
Wouldn’t that keep the “8″ out of the luxury tax?
We need some All Stars man.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
10:21 pm
“Mr. Big Shot!
Why can’t we waive Marvin and amnesty Kirk for Billups?
That’s 15.5M right there and Billups would draw a nice crowd at the Arena.
I would buy season tickets to see Mr. Big Shot right away, even if he take turns starting with Teague in those 4 games in 5 days.
Wouldn’t that keep the “8″ out of the luxury tax?
We need some All Stars man.”
Since the NBA owns the Hornets, I assume the Hawks pay 1/30th of the Hornets payroll? The BASG probably does not want to pay someone to not be here.
I’d give Marvin a shot. He seems upbeat. I just wonder when we will ever use Collins, especially if Dwight is traded to a non-divisional team.
MC, I look forward to your update on T-Mac; I assume he and Joe are good buds. Thanks for all the Twitter updates
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
10:22 pm
Marvin’s is on a mission to show everybody why he was drafted #2 in his draft class.. He’s never lived up to the pick!
He’s going to have a solid year! 12-16 per night!! Go Hawks………………
Ken Strickland
December 9th, 2011
10:30 pm
TMcGrady will replace Damien Wilkins, and JTeague will replace Bibby as our starting PG. Rookie Benson will replace EThomas, and Rolle will replace JPowell. Teague as our starting PG is a vast improvement over Bibby in every way, except 3pt shooting. TMcGrady will get more mins, and is an improvement in almost every area except for Damien having a slight edge on DEF.
Rolle is taller and bigger than Powell, and should offer just as much production and versatility, if not more. We made it to last yrs semifinals with a team that wasn’t as versatile, talented, quick, fast, or as athletic as this team will be. And, they managed to accomplish that feat while adjusting to a new HC, and had to learn new OFF/DEF systems.
Exactly what have all of the other Eastern Conference teams done to improve themselves to the point where someone would foolishly claim the Hawks would hit the skids? With Teague as our starting PG and playing consistent mins, we’ve definitely improved our starting lineup. The addition of TMac gives us more versatility off our bench.
Benson and Rolle definitely add more size(height), youth, speed, quickness, versatility, and athleticism to our bench. They should also give us more rebounding and interior DEF than we got from Powell and Thomas. Add a shooter, and a short team fill in at PG until Hinrich returns, and we’re in business.
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
10:31 pm
Al Horford: “I think we are supposed to get another big here and I am waiting to see who and what it’s going to be.”
I knew there was a reason Al is my favorite. Don’t shut up Al and if its some dud we get in here, when asked still state the truth, We still need big man help. Al’s my favorite. Joe, Josh, and Teague please express your true opinion, we need a C.
Mac-Town #maconchevyrider
December 9th, 2011
10:33 pm
http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/cnishared/tools/shared/mediahub/09/22/00/slideshow_1002298327_8.jpg
Thought that was your boy Deshawn Stevenson standing by Joe for a min…
Wabe
December 9th, 2011
10:35 pm
Ken Strickland,
The real question is…
What exactly have the Hawks done that propels them above anybody else in the East? The Bulls are in the process of acquiring a 2-gaurd. The Heat have a healthy Haslem back and have signed Shane Battier. The C’s aren’t making a splash, but aren’t sitting idle like the Hawks seem to be.
And by the way, we have lost Jamal. In your synopsis, you said T-Mac replaces Damien. Teague replaces Bibby. Whose replacing Jamal? Kirk Hinrich?
Truth is, this team is set to be exactly as its been for the past 2-3 years. Slightly above average, and enough for ASG.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
10:36 pm
The Hawks are going to surprise many! Stay tuned!
brigadierjerry
December 9th, 2011
10:40 pm
To get Billups Hawks would have to be under the cap and Billups stated that he would retire if he is picked up by an undesireable team
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
10:42 pm
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
10:36 pm
The Hawks are going to surprise many! Stay tuned!
It is one thing to be optimistic and something else to just be silly Slim. This team has no depth and no legit starting C or SF as currently constructed. You can scream go Hawks and this team will surprise all you wish but no-one believes it and they shouldn’t. It would be silly to believe
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
10:43 pm
David West to the Celtics.
Ryan
December 9th, 2011
10:43 pm
Hawks could do worse than Marvin at SF. And to everyone who wants him to be Lebron….He is what he is supposed to be, the 5th option on the floor. Its not great for the high draft pick that we picked him with, but he does not play that badly.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
10:44 pm
And Vladimir Radmanovic to the Hawks. I wonder how long it will take Sund to track down Robert Swift while he’s reuniting failed Seattle lottery picks.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
10:47 pm
Radmanovic is wearing #77 in camp… maybe if it doesn’t pan out with the Hawks he can go protect Matt Ryan’s blind side.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
10:51 pm
WE NEED BIGS. GOOD SIGNING
Ryan
December 9th, 2011
10:53 pm
We need biggggeeerrererer. Lol We need Center not Foward.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
10:53 pm
How is Boston paying West? Isn’t their payroll high as hell?
STRETCH
December 9th, 2011
10:54 pm
Isnt Rad a Forward? Dont they need a center?
Darth Vader
December 9th, 2011
10:54 pm
I cant believe you guys dont have a life. You guys sit here for hours and hours talking about men playing basketball. Is this really the meaning of your lives? Have you guys peaked? Really? I guess for you guys life is pretty much over huh?, We, go back to your meaningless conversations.
By the way The hawks just signed, Larry bird, Magic Johnson and Micheal Jordon, pending physicals.
Ken Strickland
December 9th, 2011
10:55 pm
SLIMJR-I don’t know how serious you are about the expectations you have for Marvin Williams, but you could be closer to the truth than you might realize. Having a PG that can penetrate and dish, as well as create shots for himself and others, will help both he and Josh tremendously. When is the last time we had a PG that could even think about going coast to coast on a one man fast break, let alone actually being able to do it?
One thing is certain, unlike JJ and Jamal, Teague won’t require clearouts, or have to run the clock down while pounding the ball endlessly before taking his man off the dribble. I honestly believe Teague will allow our starting lineup to finally realize its potential and play the uptempo style of ball it’s built to play.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
10:56 pm
Radmanovic may be 6′11″ but I don’t know that he really qualifies as a “big”. It’s not like he plays D or crashes the boards or posts up. He is more of the knock down shooter that Smoove wants than the big that Al wants.
Melvin
December 9th, 2011
10:58 pm
Horford didn’t lie…
The #Hawks have signed 10-year vet Vladimir Radmanovic.
WHO CARES !!!!!
December 9th, 2011
10:59 pm
THIS CRAP TEAM & LEAGUE NEED TO MOVE OUT OF ATLANTA, WHO GIVES A DAMN ABOUT THIS WORTHLESS TEAM & SPORT ???
THEY NEED THIS CLOWN SHOW IN SEATTLE NOT IN ATLANTA ANYMORE !!!!!
NEVER GIVE MONEY TO ATLANTA STUPID GROUP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
11:00 pm
Ken,
Co-sign on your last 2 posts
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
11:04 pm
Mac Town..
damn, that aint him?
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
11:04 pm
lol.. at Vladimir Radmanovic
Darth Vader
December 9th, 2011
11:05 pm
OJ Simpson is out on bond, you guys better run.
JSS
December 9th, 2011
11:05 pm
Well Sund is pulling every member of his time in Seattle out of his butt… When is he going to announce that they signed Stromile Swift? (SMDH)
EmirS.
December 9th, 2011
11:06 pm
Is it just me or has Joe lost some muscle?
Unlike Sekou Smith, I believe the Hawks won’t come close to hitting the skids. I’m a BIG supporter of T-Mac. I think he can contribute this year significantly on both offense and defense. Not like the old T-Mac…but alot more improved then last year. We have a VERY good starting five, with either Marvin or T-Mac starting. I know we need a center, but in my opinion we need a better bench MORE then a center.
It’s all about the bench.
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
11:07 pm
just like the Hawks to do some bargain shopping.. they managed to knock out both Al and Josh’s request w/ some type of hybrid..
tall enough to “qualify” as a big.. yet, shoots well enough to be called a shooter
Melvin
December 9th, 2011
11:08 pm
I would have prefer Troy Murphy over Vladimir. Murphy is a better rebounder and a good outside shooter…. SMH at this signing..
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
11:08 pm
CAN WE PLZ SIGN A REAL FA FOR REAL MONEY? Oh wait we.re over the effing cap
Fire SUND
RESIGN FLIP
PETRO
SENE
SWIFT
RASHARD
JSS
December 9th, 2011
11:11 pm
@ Davenpoop…
We could combine Robert and Stromile and still not have 1/4 of an D-League big man…
Darth Vader
December 9th, 2011
11:13 pm
what yall stupid mudder frockers gone say next.
Harry Hawk
December 9th, 2011
11:15 pm
T-Mac, Radman, and Stack…
I love it when a plan comes together.
JSS
December 9th, 2011
11:16 pm
@ 11:13PM…
That you’re a sad blog reincarnation of Anakin Skywalker… Why don’t you make like Jar Jar Binks and go away…
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
11:17 pm
Najeh,
In the Premier League (if I’m not mistaken), the 3 teams that finish last dropped down one level. And the 3 top teams from the lower division gets elevated to play with the big boys. And they repeat the cycle every year.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
11:17 pm
SIGN ANYONE WHO IS 7 feet tall. GEORGE MURESAN. SHAWN BRADLEY. ANYONE
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
11:18 pm
I think the reason the Hawks players keep saying things in public is because they think that is the only way they might be able to talk to management/ownership.
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
11:18 pm
Big Ray..
you gotta be pretty excited about this signing..
i guess a young, athletic, active, big who plays inside was too much to ask for.
Mayve
December 9th, 2011
11:19 pm
VladRad in tha Building!!!!!!!! I’m Feeing it!!!!!!
Ryan
December 9th, 2011
11:20 pm
while not exactly what we need…..they are doing better than they usually do…lol
Rufus1
December 9th, 2011
11:20 pm
What is depth?
I told a Bulls Blogger last year they had no bench or a good 2 guard, but the won 60 games.
SAY IT OUT LOUD….Keith Bogan starting SG for a 60 win team…That sounds crazy.
Bulls Bench
Brewer, Korver, Watson, Gibson,Asik and Thomas. Nothing about that bench says championship, but they made it to the ECF. I laughed at that guy last year and the Bulls bench, but he laughed last….It is called coaching. If you coach your bench right, they will be good.
How much more size do we need?
We have 3 players 6′11(Zaza, Benson and Rolle), one 7ft(Collins), and 6 players between 6′7 and 6′10(Sy, JJ, T-mac,Marv,Josh and AL)….That sounds like size to me.
LD has what he needs…..now he needs to coach them.
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
11:20 pm
Radmanovic is a career 38% shooter from 3, and he played 74 games last season, so hopefully he is healthy.
Hawks still need someone down low though.
The Real Mandingo
December 9th, 2011
11:20 pm
Which current Hawk players do you (bloggers) trust to make big shots, clutch buckets, pressure free-throws, buzzer-beaters, swagger daggers and game winners – Jeff Teague, Pape Sy, Marvin Williams, Josh Smith, Tracy McGrady, Kirk Hinrich? You have more faith in the aforementioned guys making a pressure-packed, perimeter jumper over Jamal Crawford? Are you serious? I’ll answer the question for you; no, you can’t be serious.
Right now, the Hawks have no one comfortable with taking and making big shots and clutch buckets. Jamal is not only comfortable in these pressure situations but embraces them. If Crawford leaves, which Hawk player are you going to have faith in taking the big shot besides Joe Johnson? Again, I’ll answer that (question) for you – no one.
To a man, Rick Sund, you, and the ASG boys better get off y’alls [you all(s) - pronounced 'yauls'] shoulders and re-sign Jamal Crawford. You snooze, you lose.
Mayve
December 9th, 2011
11:22 pm
AND I Called It! Stretch PF and he’s better than marvin I dont care what anybody says.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
11:23 pm
@Ken, I co-sign on everything you said before. Jeff Teague is the real deal! Everybody including Marvin will flourish with Jeff running the pt..
I will go ahead and say it now, Jeff Teague will be an all Star with-in 2 years! If he can knock down that mid range jump shot and occasional 3, the sky’s the limit with this dude. He’s that good….
Glad to here Marvin is healthy and strong now..Your going to see a new version: Marvin 2.0!
Get ready to RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
@superior, call me anything but late for dinner Sir! Your wish maybe satisfied based on the quote below.. We can only hope superior?
“Drew said the Hawks are in the market for a “knockdown” shooter, and Horford said the team would add another center. In the meantime, Atlanta’s returning players hope the team adds enough help to bolster their chances.”
Harry Hawk
December 9th, 2011
11:23 pm
I’d sign Mokeski, Breuer, Koncak, Olowokandi, and Benoit Benjamin.
Instant size advantage.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
11:24 pm
It Was Not a Bad Pick!
I hope SlimJr and Ken Strickland are right about Marvin. The Hawks could sure his worth at 7.5M because, like Al said last year, “I will go to war with what we’ve got.”
And, we certainly got Marvin. Sorry, but Marvin does not give me butterflies. Now Teague? I’m in love with and you Ken S. are right, this core has never enjoyed the benefit of a real PG. I heard Teague was a SG at Wake Forest and was hella good. I’m just so excited to see him run this team full throttle – I can’t wait.
He would really make a difference for us and I will be the first to forget about my CP3 dreams! Let’s Go!
O'Brien
December 9th, 2011
11:24 pm
Michael Cunningham: #Hawks Larry Drew on Stackhouse: “He brings veteran leadership. I am really going to give him a very close look.” .Twitter
Wasn’t Josh Powell supposed to be great in the locker room?
And why do we need veteran leadership when he have 3 captains, and 7 of our top 8 have been in the league for years.
Najeh Davenpoop
December 9th, 2011
11:27 pm
With T-Mac already on board, I’d gladly go without Stackhouse’s veteran leadership or Radmanovic’s 3 point shooting in favor of using that roster spot on a quality big man who can defend and rebound. I am sorry but expecting Magnum Rolle, Keith Benson, or Twin to be the second big man off the bench is a recipe for disaster.
Ryan
December 9th, 2011
11:29 pm
I’ve been a JT0 fan since that Cavs game his rookie year. Alot of friends have had to change their tune the more they watch him. He’s exciting to watch like Smoove. Having the defense of Kirk and Teague plus the attack offense of Teague will add a new dynamic to this team.
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
11:29 pm
Vlad is bad and not in a good way. This team becomes more and more of a joke by the minute
Harry Hawk
December 9th, 2011
11:30 pm
Our team is a recipe for disaster, though that disaster is not as bad as some other teams’ disasters. We’re just a disastrously boring team that every Hawks fan who isn’t sniffing glue knows is limited in what it can do. I hate that, but there isn’t much I can do but complain.
UGA
December 9th, 2011
11:31 pm
Radmonvic is better than Josh Powell, but what in the world????????? This is getting comical.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
11:32 pm
Package Smoove and Kirk for a big. Will ANYONE PLEASE TAKE SMOOVE??
Bench is solid now.
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
11:32 pm
DMB, actually from the eyeball test Teague is already superior to CP3 @ guarding the pt. of attack because he’s at least a step quicker than CP3 and CP3 is no slouch….
Teague is an incredible athlete for his size and you’ll get to see this dude every night getting better and better! Awesome stuff…..Its going to be fun to watch!
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
11:34 pm
Sniper!
So, is Radmanovic our deep threat? And, he is 6′11″ – nice. IDK very much about him, but Welcome to Atlanta – Radmo! You will love your teammates – they’re really good guys. Very classy and intelligent.
So what’s next? A big man to rebound and defend the rim?
Maybe Kito can do that, Josh and Al do need some help on inside defense with SIZE.
I do like the size of our team overall though.
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
11:34 pm
Adrian Wojnarowski: The agent for Dwight Howard, Dan Fegan, tells Y! Sports that Orlando has given Howard permission to talk to three teams. about 5 minutes ago
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
11:35 pm
I like Stackhouse being signed today to bolster the bench!
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
11:35 pm
Vlad Radmanovic lol…
Slimjr
December 9th, 2011
11:37 pm
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
11:34 pm
Sniper!
“So, is Radmanovic our deep threat? And, he is 6′11″ ”
Bingo! A knockdown shooter! And 6′11 wow!
superiorblogman
December 9th, 2011
11:39 pm
UGA
December 9th, 2011
11:31 pm
Radmonvic is better than Josh Powell, but what in the world????????? This is getting comical.
Getting comical? It has been comical. I am having a ball laughing at this garbage they are reaching over in the trash can for. Sorry, but I got to do it. I am about to send Al a tweet asking if he is happy with that big man in the form of Vlad?
Ryan
December 9th, 2011
11:39 pm
johnhollinger John Hollinger
“I feel like the Hawks signed Radmanovic solely to keep me entertained. I just hope they encourage him to”
Lol
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
11:39 pm
i went to sleep and awoke to Vladimir Rodmanovic…. Lakers called him garbage because hes a defensive sieve. And Jerry Stackhouse.
Vladimir Rodmanovic and a near retired Jerry Stackhouse…
You know what F*** this franchise. superteams and supergarbage teams. Cant wait till all the core leaves this dump… 1 by 1.
Horford and Radmonovic. What kind PoS franchise does this to loyal diehard fans? Is David Stern pulling the strings or is Sund really this malicious?
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 9th, 2011
11:40 pm
Live Free or Die!
Is OJ really out on bond? I thought he got like 35 years? What happened? Good behavior? Is he rehabilitated now?
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
11:40 pm
Every time I think about us getting a big I remember our owners refuse to spend money and we are stuck.
That’s why we have scrubs like Pape Sy magnum rolle and Benson on this team. Who the hell are these guys? They wouldn’t even make water boy on the Lakes
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
11:40 pm
now ZaZa has a shopping buddy..
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 9th, 2011
11:40 pm
To John Hollinger. You enjoy Sadomasochism? Because this is that.
The Real Mandingo
December 9th, 2011
11:45 pm
Regression Analysis!
The Hawks are in a race with the Cavs and T-Wolves to see who can finish at the bottom of the NBA.
Harry Hawk
December 9th, 2011
11:46 pm
Magnum Rolle is one of the greatest names of all-time. I don’t mind him being on the team. After all, we could have potential bench players like:
Stack, T-Mac, Rad-Man (pronounced RAHD-mahn), Twin, Robert Guillaume (that’s Benson), Captain Kirk, and Zaza. Don’t get much better than that right there, folks. Names are important. That is how we will win.
Hell, we already got Smoove in the damn lineup!
We got this!
bigdave
December 9th, 2011
11:50 pm
i know how Sund and LD feel about champions.. but you dont answer a call for toughness with Radmanovic..
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
11:50 pm
When exactly did we sign Stack? Our big depth is putrid. We have too many damn guards
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
11:51 pm
Players cried for a shooter and big man. We signed someone who is good at one and nonexistent at the other
FIRE SUND
Harry Hawk
December 9th, 2011
11:53 pm
Stack’s just in camp, I hope. If we sign him, we’re just competing for laughs this year.
Neki
December 9th, 2011
11:53 pm
This is just getting too sad right now.
JSS
December 9th, 2011
11:54 pm
@ DMJ…
The Dude (Fake Vader) has TS like issues… Stir clear…
EmirS.
December 9th, 2011
11:56 pm
I’m starting to have a tough time deciphering whose being serious and whose being sarcastic.
cp
December 9th, 2011
11:58 pm
Still no big man depth. Rolle, Benson, and Twin aint gone get it done. Vladimir can knock down the 3 but he plays no defense and doesn’t rebound. I think Kurt Thomas is available,. At this point he wouldn’t be a bad option.
Grandmaster JeJe
December 9th, 2011
11:59 pm
Why don’t the Hornets just propose the exact same trade and put Stern on the spot to accept it? Makes him look worse
Maybe
December 10th, 2011
12:00 am
Radmonovic did start in the finals for LA as the SF back in 08′. He Did well all through the playoffs that year until he went cold in the finals…. He’s still better than duck -__-
At least he doesn’t get his shot blocked by PG’s, trip and fall from being breathed on, and can actually hit a wide-open jump-shot. Marvin’s so bad people don’t even waste time complaining about him anymore. This is his last shot so we’ll see if it REALLY was his back or just a regression in aggression and confidence.
Slimjr
December 10th, 2011
12:02 am
Rad shot 43.1 from 3 land? Not bad for a 6′11″ dude!
JSS
December 10th, 2011
12:04 am
JeJe, the NBA is still the trustee owner of the Hornets… Stern can play hypocrite all day and night…
bigdave
December 10th, 2011
12:06 am
Sam Amick: Story to come on SI.com, but Orlando CEO Alex Martins (disputes) the claim of Dwight Howard’s agent that permission was given to talk to teams yesterday
this situation is getting messy..
Turiaf going to DC.. smh.
Ra'mon
December 10th, 2011
12:06 am
Hey everyone, would the Hawks missing the playoffs and getting a lottery pick, actually be that bad? Maybe the Hawks should regress this season. If they end up with a top 10 pick in THIS years draft, then they can definitely draft the most talented player available at any position besides PF.
Slimjr
December 10th, 2011
12:07 am
The godfather said his “DECISION” was not influenced by the other owners! Sir you work for the other owners!!!!!!
WHAT, YOU THINK WE’RE STUPID??????????????? Yep….
O'Brien
December 10th, 2011
12:12 am
Ra’mon,
If Sund is going to be doing the drafting, I will pass. Sund is clueless.
And even a top 20 pick might only turn into a role player.
SteveW
December 10th, 2011
12:18 am
Ivan Johnson received MC’s seal of approval when he was at Training Camp right before the lockout. The dude is a 6-8 230 athletic beast with NBA offensive moves. No D at all, plays out of control sometimes, overestimates his considerable talent on occasion, and has had personal issues at every stop – DLeague, Korea etc.
That latter portion is a DraftExpress condensation.
I wouldn’t mind Radmanovic as a F wing behind Marvin.
And ya’ll do remember on this blog we used to joke about Sund bringing him here, because Sund was an absolute disaster as the Seattle GM when it came to drafting players. This was one of many examples of that.
The joke is on us!
superiorblogman
December 10th, 2011
12:20 am
Okay, hold your horses. Don’t get all upset. My sources say Vlad is the shooter not the big man we are getting.
Michael Cunningham
December 10th, 2011
12:24 am
new blog posted. shutting down this thread.