Atlanta Hawks: Camp roster rounds into shape

“The Hawks aren’t looking to take on the kind of salary the matching rules require and the Bulls are focused on using their MLE to sign a free agent. ”

No Luxury Tax this year.

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You guys still think Smith can win at the PF? You know the PF is usually the last one back and he is an average rebounder for the position?

The SF is usually the identity/glue guy. Give me Smith as my SF. Garbage buckets. REBounds.etc.

Smith 15% of all rebounds
Durant 11% of all rebounds
Carmelo 11% of all rebounds
Lebron 10% of all rebounds

Got to go with what you got. Tough task Build a conventional roster with Unconventional players.

Smith 15% of all rebounds, 6′8, center skills – rim protector baseline finisher
{Leuer 12% of all rebounds, 6′11, perimeter skills – rim finisher, 3 point perimeter savvy}
Bogut 18% of all rebounds, 7′0, center skills – rim protector baseline finisher

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Where’s Josh Powell in this formula

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That roster hardly excites anyone. Surely Sund is not finished.

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Why are people acting as if losing Jamal is going to break this team? Look, Jamal may have been a good scorer who occasionally came through in the clutch, but his defense was absolutely atrocious and he provided no other attribute besides throwing up shots. I don’t think we will miss him as much as people believe.

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I guess this is a put up or shut up year for Marvin as he will have to provide production from 3-point range…

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Hell, the Hawks looking pretty thin at every position, but if Kirk comes back, stays healthy, and is able to perform as well as Kirk has performed when healthy in the past, the Hawks are fairly solid at the guard positions. (Though, as MC notes, the Hawks are still missing that pure knock-down shooter.)

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It looks like Damien is not in the Hawks’ plans.

wish him well. but we have enough problems

PG–Jeff Teague
SG–Joe Johnson
SG–Marvin Williams
PF–Josh Smith
PF–Al Horford
2011 Mavs
PG–Jason Kidd – Jeff Teague (thinking being Teagues speed & IQ develops by Playoffs he is elite)
SG–Jason Terry – Joe Johnson
SF–Dirk Nowitzki – Jon Leuer (thinking Leuer is a shot maker; Drew can use athleticism at other spots to get him open – Childress, Marvin, Damien- exactly 7′0 wingspan players are usually special & at his height he has shown enough; can flat out score on switches)
PF–Shawn Marion – Josh Smith (youth and weight loss & me against the world= Josh advantage)
C–Tyson Chandler – Andrew Bogut
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Haywood vs Pachulia etc.

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I figured that TMac’s signing would mean that they wouldn’t sign another proven wing player. With 96 minutes between the SG and SF slot, expect Joe, Marvin, JOsh (when the Hawks go big) and TMac to use all but a few token minutes (likely for Sy). I’m not thriled about our BIG depth… but I have been barking up that tree for 6+ years (remember the John Edwards/Este Batista era?).

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MC: Hinrich is out until February?

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From Sekou;

The fact is, they’ve done just about all they can with the current roster, all the while resisting the urge to make any significant changes to their core. This is the year that inactivity comes back to haunt them..

I think the Hawks are still a playoff team in the 4-6 seed range.

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Wow, as pathetic as I thought it was before doing some research. This john Leuer Kid is NICE. I’m thoroughly convinced he’s better than Marvin right now.

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I thought we were using the Mavs model. Detroit model?

Where’s our bootleg Dirk? Where’s our Rasheed? Where IS Jon Leuer? Brad Wanamaker? Lolwut

What is the formula here?

G Jason Kidd – Joe Johnson
G Jason Terry – Jeff Teague
PF-Marion – Josh Smith
SF-Nowitzki- Jon Leuer
C- Chandler – Bogut

Instead we got Brad Wanamaker and “stuff”.

G Jason Kidd – Joe Johnson
G Jason Terry – Jeff Teague
PF-Marion – JOSH SMITH
SF- Dirk Nowitzki – MARVIN WILLIAMS
C- Chandler vs PF) AL HORFORD

not only is there a huge talent gap and jump shooters Al vs a true C. JUMP SHOTS GALORE. This is NOT a CHAMPIONSHIP team.

Damien is leaving. In two years or less Josh as well. Hope he finds his way onto Dallas where they no how to maximize SF tweeners.

Three Words – “Kangaroo, court, Sund” All in Favor?

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MC, doesn’t the minimum salary vary by years of experience? So Wanamaker will cost less money than if we signed someone like Stack to a vet’s minimum, correct?

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As first reported on Hoopsworld, free agent guard Jamal Crawford’s preference would be a second tour of duty with the Bulls through a sign and trade deal with Atlanta. According to the report, the Bulls would offer Ronnie Brewer and an unnamed second player (most likely Kyle Korver) to match a first year salary in the $8 to 9 million range for Crawford.

But now it looks as if they arent going to make that move. They need more shooters, sharp-shooters that is.

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As the roster stands right now, the Hawks are the 3 seed. If the Knicks get Chandler, then we drop to the 4th seed.

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If this is it, I say “BOOOOOOOO”.

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lineup and team is pretty much garbage. this team and franchise is playin’ for what??? it’s playin’ for EXACTLY what this lineup says…NOTHIN’!!! or better yet…SAME AS IT EVER WAS!!!!

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Dang, the bay tide brought mykhalc back to the shore. What up, dude? What is Mark Jackson talking about out there? Turning the Warriors into a defensive juggernaut?

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yo Joe!!! what up man?? man, i don’t know what he’s doin’ yet. heard some CP3 rumblings tho…that’ll get my attention. OAKTOWN cheerleaders still waitin’ on ya brah!!! LOL

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Bulls don’t need more shooters, they need ballhandlers and scorers. Who on that team can take anyone off the dribble besides Rose?

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Caron Butler is overrated also. He’s 32, plays no defense, and isn’t very efficient. Battier or Hill would’ve made much more sense for LAC.

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at this point…anyone in a Hawks uni is JUST here for a paycheck…PERIOD!!!

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So after drafting a SF 8th last year, Clippers iinvest big money in Butler? Prince was the guy they wanted, but he decided to stay with Detroit.

AJ,

I think you’re right. Sekou is a big blue fan.

Hawks still need a shooter, and they need a banger in the post.

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MC, thanks. Then tell Sund to call Roger Mason, Troy Murphy or some other proven deep ball shooter (please).

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I clicked on the Hawks Blog hoping to hear encouraging rumors of the S&T with Chicago and MC throws cold water in my face. Have we really ’rounded out’ the rest of the roster??? Are we going to let the Luxury Tax ceiling stand between certain mediocrity and an opportunity to compete with the Bulls and Heat. Its like I logged into the blog today and got kicked in the groin.

I may go home and kick my dog.

Fire Sund
Fire ASG
Fire LD
Fire MC for not punking Sund when he saw him at Phillips yesterday
Fire Worldwide Clyde for yawning
Fire Jeff.Joe.Josh.Leuer.Bogut for covering up the first word of every post
Fire T-Mac for willingly joining this hot mess
Fire Sekou for being realistic

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Lock em out again! Lock out the management of the Hawks!

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This is the final season of Sund and Drew’s respective contracts, if I’m not mistaken. So it will all be over soon.

Did the Pistons really just sign Prince to a huge long term deal??? SMH

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Jon Luerer is nice, thats why Milwaukee drafted him.

PG is still an issue – Earl Watson nor Teague is the Answer?

Does Chauncey Billups fall to the Hawks?

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If they don’t add a quality big to the bench, they are going to exit in the first round. They got lucky playing Orlando in Round 1 last year. I don’t think they survive a Round 1 matchup against some team like the Knicks — especially if they add Chandler — and I could very easily see some young hungry team like the Sixers knocking them off even if the Hawks are higher seeded.

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herehttp://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2011/12/dwight-howard-wants-andre-iguodala-monta-ellis-or-josh-smith-in-orlando/

so why cant howard come here if he wants to play with josh so bad?

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The UnSellables!

“The national writers just want the Hawks to go away.”
-Rufus1-
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So do the owners.

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I guess Wanamaker is here in case Earl Watson doesn’t sign with us.

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Draft Express says Wanamaker has good “Defensive Fundamantals” though.

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Seems Rick Sund wants the fans to just be happy to exit the 1st round. Lowering our expectations from the gates.

This is like dog training or an abusive spouse.

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A team still setting the standard for a 4th seed playoff slot. We aren’t 3rd based on where we are today. Chi / Mia / Orl or Bos are probably above us…..I think we end up 4th to 5th again with this lineup.

Is it me or is this still BK’s team? He has to be laughing.

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“Going into the draft and looking at the free agency market, certainly if we’re going to be one of the top teams in the East, we’ve got to get better defensively,” Drew said. “What better way to get better than to bring in a shot blocker? He has the length and he has the awareness to block shots, so we’re very happy with the selection.”

Andrew Bogut 7′3 wingspan, 7′0.5″ in shoes
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We already know the Hawks are looking to add toughness. What else? “Shooters,” L.D. said. “We need knock-down shooters. Not the guys that are capable of making shots. We need guys that they are open, they get that ball, the opposition is saying, ‘Uh-oh.’ Those type guys. Whether we will find them with these [camp] guys. . . .”

Jon Leuer, 7′0 wingspan, 6′11.5″ height
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6′8 shot blocker
6′11 shooter
7′0.5″ shot blocker

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Chi / Mia /

Boston ages out but PHI, and IND are ready. 4th or 5th seed. Sund is training us like his dogs.

Jeff Teague.Joe Johnson .Josh Smith . Jon Leuer.Andrew Bogut
POINT GUARD. Tracy McGrady. Marvin Williams. Keith Benson. Zaza Pachulia

IS THAT NOT A CONTENDER? WHO COULD WE NOT DEFEND?

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“Made”

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LD Better not put marvin back in the starting lineup!

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Few names to ponder:

Chauncey Billups
Raymond Felton
Sam Dalembart
George Hill
Mo Peterson
Michael Redd
Kenyon Martin
JR Smith
Aaron Gray
Allen Iverson
Joel Pryzbilla
Shelden Williams
Kwame Brown
Eric Dampier

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Jeff Schultz writes that if we are planning on replacing Jamal with McGrady that is a bad indicator. I agree that if we think we are getting anything close to what Jamal gave from McGrady it is a bad thought process. On the other hand, a better indicator is if Marvin Williams is a starter and if Al Horford is forced to moonlight as a starting NBA C, that is a indication of a bad current situation. Marvin and T-Mac off the bench can give you what Jamal gave statistically. Marvin needs to come off bench and we need to get a solid/legit C. Does Al have to spell it out for the ASG?

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Haven’t we all spelled out our dreams for a C?

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http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2011/12/08/trade-rumors-flying-at-wicked-clip/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

You know it’s sad that the Lakers can legitimately pull of several trades and end up with both Dwight and Paul.

As for us, I’m not all that impressed with the bench. Even with Marvin in the starting line-up, we are very good. But besides T-Mac and Zaza, I don’t see anyone else who can make much difference coming off the bench. And if by some miracle Dwight actually does leave the Eastern Conference….then we will end up not needing Collins.

Does free agency open up at 12:01 am? It will be very interesting.

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“I BELIEVE IN YOU T-MAC…GO HAWKS”

I’m jumping onto that band wagon.

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The Knicks just got Tyson Chandler by using amnesty on Chauncey Billups we are now in a fight to see what we can do to stay in front of the Celtics for the 4th spot and homecourt advantage. Wonder who wins that.

Heat
Knicks
Bulls
Celtics- Willing to make moves and they are the Celtics for a reason will spend.
Hawks
Pacers- Under cap and willing to spend money to get better.
Magic- Trying to impress Dwight so he can stay.
Nets- Trying to impress Deron and already have one of the best young legit C’s. Also, under the cap.

We are cooked without a move. Everyone on that list is more willing and able to do what it takes to get better, or are already better than us. We could legitimately fall from playoff contentions if all those teams use there assets to get better and or Bogut get’s healthy this year.

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Micheal Redd is out there as a knock down shoter & won’t require much over the leauge minimum, we should go get him!

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CAN WE PLEASE GO INTO THE LT?

WE DON’T NEED TO HAVE A LAKERS PAYROLL BUT WE CAN SPEND SOME MORE MONEY DAMNIT

WHY EVERY SINGLE YEAR IS HALF OUR ROSTER MINIMUM SALARY GUYS (I AM FINE WITH TMAC SIGNING)???????

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Jeff.Joe.Josh.Leuer.Bogut ,

CAN YOU PLEASE CHANGE YOUR NAME? NO ONE ON HERE WANTS BOGUT AND YOU POST WAY TOO DAMN MUCH

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What about sending Jamal to Boston srtaight up for Jeff Green, or to the 76’s for Thadius Young? That is if we’re not gonna keep him

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I guess i am not surprise that Sund and ASG would chicken out in bringing in more players oh well .

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Better West than East I always say. lol

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You can guess that Dwight Howard ends up in LA also with wanting a movie career to .

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DimeMag Dime Magazine
Report: Hornets Near Deal To Send Chris Paul To Lakers For Lamar Odom & Pau Gasol bit.ly/v2UFNR

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” if you’re the lakers, how fast do you move on dwight howard? or do you wait for bynum to miss 30 games?” _Bomani Jones

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Houston is getting destroyed if they trade Scola and K-Mart for Gasol. Absolutely awful trade.

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Lakers are in deep trouble if Bynum gets hurt now. He is already out 5 games (of a 66 game season) with his suspension.

Does LAL now offer Bynum + Artest for Dwight?
LOL

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Dallas gets screwed this year because of shorter schedule. Not only can they not afford to keep all these guys, but there’s little chance they hit 50 wins in a 66 game season. Their impressive streak comes to an end this year.

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SMH @ these “experts” who think the older teams benefit from shorter season.

GOOD LUCK TO THE CELTICS PLAYING 5 GAMES A WEEK LOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Bees Knees!

Kobe’s Knees
CP3 Knees
Bynum Knees

That training staff better gear up! When you see the rich get richer, it makes you think about how The Dream Team is struggling in Philly and how the old Washington Redskins fared badly about nine years ago – when they stock piled all those HOFers past their prime.

I just hope the basketball gods somehow bless the Hawks and rain on the movers and shakers. Yeah, I know I’m hatinK. But dayum! It really sux being a Hawks fan.

I feel like we eating government cheese when all the other rats are eating Gouda.

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CP3 to Lakers is good.

Just another tougher team Miami will face when they get to the Finals.

TRADE FOR DWIGHT TOO

Remember, as Hawks fans, our #1 goal besides winning a championship is “ANYONE BUT MIAMI”

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hawks wont make a move

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in addition earl watson will not help the hawks in any way but costing more money. he is not good for the system.

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What you’re forgetting is…

We’ve been doing it for years now, and we haven’t really gotten very far in the playoffs with those ‘mismatches’ on the floor.

I don’t mind keeping both. I like both Horford and Smith. But, the status quo won’t cut it. They need to bring in some additional talent, which they never do.

I’m booking it now. We’ll lose Jamal, T-Mac and a guy like Earl Watson will pretty much be it…

And we’ll go out there again this season as we do every season undermanned.

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Hostages!

“hawks wont make a move” -J.J.M.
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Hawks fans are being held hostage with no ransom demanded. Our Daddy buys our groceries form isle #8 – all brands generic. The other kids get Nestle’s, Oreos and Ben & Jerry’s ice cream.

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Day after day…

The NBA is getting less interesting for any market outside of the Big 5 or 6 markets (LA, Miami, NY, Dallas, Boston, CHI).

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I guess that why could be bad for the NBA with having these mega teams in the 3 major cities is people will interest .

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Jamal Tinsley to Utah, We’re gonna get Watson

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I may not be much of a pro sports fan much longer if we have no hope its hard to be fan when you see things like this .

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back to the falcons…

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at least until something worth mentioning happens to the hawks roster…

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“Our Daddy buys our groceries form isle #8 – all brands generic. The other kids get Nestle’s, Oreos and Ben & Jerry’s ice cream.”

-Drmaryb

LOL! I am starting to fall in love with you.

Btw even if the Knicks don’t get CP3, they will still be a major threat with Tyson Chandler. That is if he signs with them. But whose to say it’s out of the question that the Lakers not only land CP3….but Tyson Chandler…..AND Dwight Howard?

Is that possible!?

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A bunch of second rounders and undrafted kids just aint gone cut it. The Hawks have no big man depth. This front office is fine with just making the playoffs. Can we please get an owner who wants to win it all and just not be content with making the playoffs.

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@ JeJe . . . that’s becoming one of my main problems with that dude now. The Hawks are a soft team from top to bottom, and that includes our star players ( JJ, Josh, Al ).

Everybody on this team CAN’T be soft. Zaza is the dang tough guy. Marvin, of all people, may be the 2nd toughest guy on the team. But our stars MUST get tougher.

It’s just a real bad sign when you see Smith drop 15 – 20 lbs to play more SF . . and Horford do everything in his power to become Rashard Lewis instead of Kevin Garnett.

Add JJ’s inability ( or unwillingless ) to look for contact to get to the free throw line when he drives into the lane, and it just illustrates how soft our “stars” are.

These guys better hope that whatever they’re doing in the offseason will make this group a better team overall, because if it doesn’t, most of us are going to be crying for change. That 2nd week of the season in which we play Miami and Chicago 4 times in 6 days, will tell a lot about this team early.

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The Lakers are simply illustrating to the rest of the league how to do business. This move has nothing to do with how much money the Lakers have. It illustrates that the Lakers are willing to give up highly regarded pieces in order to get who they want.

The Lakers are willing to trade 2 of their top 4 players, in order to get the player that they want. Heck . . Gasol was 2nd team All-NBA last year. And the Lakers didn’t even BLINK to trade that dude.

Other teams value their young stars and act like they’re future Hall of Famers in the making, even if they haven’t shown that type of ceiling yet. The Lakers are like . . “forget that, we’re trying to win titles around here.”

Sund would never make a move like trading Smith and Horford for Dwight Howard.

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Smith and Horford couldn’t get Howard either!!! the Hawks talent will NOT get a superstar…PERIOD!!!

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RICK SUND…GET YOUR A$$ ON THE PHONE WITH ORLANDO AND TELL THEM TO PICK WHOEVER THEY WANT…BRING D12 HOME NOW!!!!

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@northcyde. The Lakers were willing to trade guys that helped them win rings. The Hawks wont trade guys that cant even get out of the second round.

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Cory . . the Laker deal doesn’t affect us. It affects the Western Conference big time though. The Lakers may become elite ( especially if they add Dwight Howard ), but the Hornets may now become a player in the West, possibly even becoming a playoff team.

The deal we need to watch out for, is the upcoming NY Knicks deal to secure Tyson Chandler.

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Its not only that other teams got better but without Jamal we get worse. Listen we could always depend on Jamal to score when Joe’s shot was off and now who do we go to for the outside shot. Joe’s three point shooting last year was terrible

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ASG= US congress !

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Yawn………..When does spring training start?

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Houston just gave up its 2 best players, its serviceable backup PG, and a pick for Pau Gasol. That pisses me off. Why did they bend over like that? That isn’t even close to being a good trade. That type of package you give up for an Amare or Blake Griffin – not a stiff who disappears

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EmirS,

Charlotte’s roster is hideously bad.

I think we will be 3 seed this year. We just need a 10 deep rotation. We have young legs still. We need a deep rotation otherwise this will get rough (just like it would for any team)

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OOPS, I MEANT #BASKETBALLNEVERSTOPS.

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Who are these scrubs? The bench is going to look like the Cleveland Indians in “Major League.”

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Other teams that are $20 million over the cap can go get who ever they want. The Hawks agonize on how to get Collins to sign again. Being a Hawks fan sure does SUCK!

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“Here’s how to compensate for Jamal’s scoring

Marvin – 12 ppg
Teague – 10 ppg
T-Mac – 8 ppg

If we can get 30 ppg out of those 3 guys, that would effectively cover for Jamal’s scoring. Now it won’t cover for his ability to get a shot anytime he wants, but the scoring can be covered for.”

All 3 of those guys are also 23087456230587230587236502783650237650283765x better than Jamal will ever be defensively

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@JeJe

“We just need a 10 deep rotation”

I’ve been spamming that thought for 2 seasons now. It’s exactly what we need. A deep bench.

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@Ryan

They’re not done. You can bet on that. They know they lost size. Wonder who they can bring it to help out with that……

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Even so…thats 1 guy instead of 3…I’m ok with that.

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vava74

December 8th, 2011
8:09 pm

umm… Billups will land in Miami…

Learn the rules before you speak. Billups has to clear waivers. Meaning, every team under the cap has the option of bidding on him before he clears waivers and is free to sign with anyone. He is too valuable to clear waivers, someone will pick him up just to trade him for future assets if nothing else.

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CP3 to LA Lakers!!!!! & for nothing more than what we could have offered

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For the last 3 years intelligent bloggers have been saying that this team peaked under Mr, Woodson and is in a slow spiral down with Mr. Drew. Most attribute the lack of a center and Al Horfords unwillingness to play the position , plus the lack of superior guard play as the reason for the demise. Ray Charles can see that and hes dead. So how come Mr. Sekou is a prophet for realizing what we all know, and have said for years.

THE HAWKS NEED A CENTER.

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Melvin

December 8th, 2011
8:22 pm

If the same few teams are still going to get all the top players then what was the purpose of the Lockout?

The purpose of the lockout was to see how strong they could come back and always was. Competitive balance is not good for the league. The NBA is entertainment. In entertainment you need people to have strong emotions towards what you do, rather hate or love. The hate is provided by teams such as the Lakers and Yankees always having seemingly stacked teams. The love is provided by teams like Golden State whose fanbase will always support them no matter what. Teams like the Hawks are just here to be here. The lockout was to gauge and promote both love and hate to add to the entertainment value.

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“For the last 3 years intelligent bloggers have been saying that this team peaked under Mr, Woodson and is in a slow spiral down with Mr. Drew.”

That’s rather odd, since the team peaked in wins only two years ago. Maybe those intelligent bloggers were right 1 out of three. That would be last year. Unless you consider a gain in wins in 2009-10 as “past the peak”.

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Hmmm… Two posters named Big Dog, one with all caps. Who on this blog would steal an ID?

Not a multi-named Horford hater by any chance?

Some of us know.

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MC you mean to say Hawks sign some unknown scrub Wanamaker, can’t pick up the phone and call Damien wow, NO WONDER JOSH NOT HAPPY.
BIG DOG IN THE HOUSE

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*the hawks lost

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Grandmaster JeJe, this is why the NBA has really problems. Houston doesn’t even get close to better by the deal, their only really incentive to do this deal is cap space for next year. I understand the Lakers want to be better but the owner can’t just flush part of the season and still have a system that allows these things to happen. What is Stern going to do? Nothing, because the Lakers being good is good for BUSINESS!

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I wonder if the Hawks can trade Zaza to the Magic for J.J Redick. and there is ur outside threat.

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Wojnarowski, is reporting that the owners are trying or have stopped the Paul deal. I understand the Lakers are going to do what they have to do, but the real problem is a system that forces teams to dump players just to get better. The system should encourage teams to developer players not, just try to mix and match. If they want to have a mix and match league, they should have gone to the NFL system where you never know who’s on your team from year to year.

GO HAWKS!

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WE NEED TO SHOP AROUND JOSH IF HE IS UNHAPPY. HE IS NEVER GONNA GROW UP.

SMOOVE + HINRICH

SHOP AROUND

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Houston got robbed…

All they got was Gasol….I don’t get it. The Lakers gave up the equivalent of the Hawks trading Josh and Al for CP3….. N.O.made a great deal for their teams future.

The Lakers won with overwhelming size and they just traded it all of it away for a PG with bad knees…Only a few teams can take that kind of risk and the Hawks aren’t one of them.

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JeJe

That will make them slightly better than last years Magic. No front line help and no bench.

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I repeat, the lockout was all about finding ways to increase the entertainment value. Now, tell me you aren’t entertained by what is currently going on with Paul and the owners protesting against this trade. It’s the good guys against the bad guys fellas. Never had anything to do with any of those lies the owners and Stern told. They just want to create hype to see how strong they can get when they come back this time. It’s working fellas. Isn’t it MC?

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We have 3 point shooters.

Joe (hopefully improved), T-Mac, Hinrich, Marvin (last year was an anomaly for Marvin. I believe he added the 3 pt shot 2 years ago?)

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Ra’mon, Sekou roots for Michigan in football, not Michigan St. Steve Smith gives him sh#t all the time.

Ra’mon, you must be a big Dawg fan?

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AJ ,

Heh…mayhaps you should send them a note and remind them of it…

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Sticks and Rocks!

We so po our Daddy re-wraps our old toys from 6 years ago. That’s why we hate Christmas – we already know what’s under the tree.

Our friends get PS3’s, CP3’s, Superman Dolls and Jordans. Meanwhile, back at The Little House on The Prairie … We chunking sticks and rocks. That’s why nobody wants to come and play with us!

We get nothing! Aye Sund! Pack your backs and just leave us alone, take Drew and ASKG with you! I will drive you to:

Hartsfield – Marynard – Jackson – Martin Luther King International Airport!
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EmirS baby! You had me at hello. I Loved You before you were born! LOL! MMmmwah!

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I wonder if BASG was involved in the backlash of the CP3 trade or if the rest of the owners even paid attention to what our brilliant head owner Michael Gearon Jr had to say

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LMAO…You cannot make this stuff up.

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Same ol song and dance …..Mcgrady replaces jamal off the bench and Rolle is the new josh powell. The Russian owner (Nets) laughs at your luxury tax. Gold Giraffe walking on treadmill

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Section, I’m a Dogs’ fan.

And I know on his Twitter avatar he has a picture with both in there, lol

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What’s Michael Gearon’s email address…

Folks need to start blasting this guys inbox till they get the f’n message.

Either spend some cash or GTFOH!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Nix That!

“The NBA owners just vetoed the CP3 trade. LMAO this s like fantasy basketball in more ways than one at this point.” – Poop -
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Dey is a BB god! Now, imma’ quote me:

“drmaryb.[*_*].

Bees Knees!

Kobe’s Knees
CP3 Knees
Bynum Knees

December 8th, 2011
6:30 pm

That training staff better gear up! When you see the rich get richer, it makes you think about how The Dream Team is struggling in Philly and how the old Washington Redskins fared badly about nine years ago – when they stock piled all those HOFers past their prime.

I just hope the basketball gods somehow bless the Hawks and rain pee on the movers and shakers.” -drmaryb-

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What we are seeing here is the 1% peeing on the 99%-ers. A lot of good the new CBA is doing to promote competitive balance.

They Lie! Somehow, I fear the Lakers will re-work that deal and end up with CP3 anyways. Looks like the model is gonna’ be super-teams with a minimum of three HOFers. Problem is you literally have to go into “Suck for Luck” mode if, you ain’t got no money.

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Our own @Chris_Broussard on SportsCenter: Chris Paul fuming and exploring legal options w/NBPA director Billy Hunter to fight blocked deal

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Ra’mon, think of it this way, chances are the Hawks are one of 2-3 teams that have made the 2nd round of the playoffs for the past 3 seasons. And they haven’t paid the luxury tax. Will that help you sleepp well tonight?

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A Big Problem!

“If that happens, our toughest player on this roster is probably Jason Collins.

No Thanks.” – Grandmaster JeJe -
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Copyright that!

A smart GM will NEVER trade a Big for a Small. You solve one small problem, but all the while, creating a bigger problem. You can’t coach SIZE._
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Re: The Lakers

“I guess too much money ain’t enough money”
- Lil Wayne on Drake- “I’m Ova”

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i’ve come to hang out…not watch this bunch of ’same ole, same ole BS’. if the owners can block the trade of CP3 to LAL then for the betterment of their NBA product they should demand a sale of the Hawks. this $hit in ATL is sad and pathetic…PERIOD!!!

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I call BS on big deal for Hawks.

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No way bro. This is going to send shock waves around the league.

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Hawks contender status imminent, hold on for the ride folks.

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chances are the Hawks are one of 2-3 teams that have made the 2nd round of the playoffs for the past 3 seasons. And they haven’t paid the luxury tax

That will help you sleep well at night…until you realize that essentially, the stated goal of winning a championship is just something that is said when the press comes asking questions…and that the part about getting into the 2nd round of the playoffs without paying the luxury tax is little more than an acceptable accomplishment EVERY YEAR from now until Kingdom Come…

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WhitePeopleLoveUsher,

….zzzzz….zzzzz…..zzzzzz…… snort, snort….fart… ….zzzzz……zzzzzzz…..

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What’s Chris Paul complaining about? The league doesn’t open for business until 2:00 p.m. on Friday. I shudder to think that any deals could be in the works before the league opens for business.

And if the Hornets (owned by the league) decide not to make a trade, Paul has no recourse. He can hold out and get fined, but what the hell is Billy Hunter going to be able to do about it? The CBA deal is done. He doesn’t want to stir any craziness up right now.

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The Philips Arena concession stand nachos are just stale bags of Tostitos with lukewarm Velveeta poured over them, credible twitter sources are revealing.

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Stern for President… maybe he’ll block Obama’s healthcare plan lol

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Lol one person on twitter says its dh12 for Smoove and picks. Yeah this ru or has legs!

Smgdmfhffs

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WhitePeopleLoveUsher

December 8th, 2011
10:20 pm

word is a major trade is coming for the hawks

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What are we about to trade? An old Dominique jersey for some cap space?

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Anyone believe that the Hawks are about to make a MAJOR DEAL is crazy. The biggest deal I see this team making is giving season ticket holders (all 9 of them) Beats by Dre headphones for Christmas.

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Najeh Davenpoop
December 8th, 2011
10:36 pm

“Smgdmfhffs”

This acronym just keeps getting longer and longer.

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^FIRE WOODY

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I don’t watch much tv so this might be old news but I saw a Blake Griffin KIA commercial during the Pit/Clev game tonight. It was the weirdest commercial that I’ve ever seen. I’m surprised that Blake agreed to be in it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMy6g26qiaY

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Could NO want Jamal Crawford or Teague in this deal if goes down .

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No way there is any looming Hawks deal. The ASG is not going to do anything.

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Ra’mon, if you look close at Sekou’s Twitter avatar, it is a baby wearing a Spartan shirt punching another baby wearing a Michigan shirt. Sekou lost a bet to Steve Smith. Sekou has to keep that Avatar for a year.

Also, I hope to be at the Outback Bowl. I am still crushed about not going to the Rose Bowl, but want Spartan Sr’s to go out with a W. They deserve it. Will be at game, if I can get the day off. 50-50, at this point.

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@ Rev . . . Blake is the new KIA spokesperson. Keep your eye on the basketball

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-AxWRVqE1E

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WhitePeopleLoveUsher

December 8th, 2011
10:26 pm

“Hawks contender status imminent, hold on for the ride folks.”

HOLD ON??????

WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT WILLIS???????????????????

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Ra’mon

December 8th, 2011
10:35 pm

“Anyone believe that the Hawks are about to make a MAJOR DEAL is crazy. The biggest deal I see this team making is giving season ticket holders (all 9 of them) Beats by Dre headphones for Christmas.”
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Let’s check out the roster. I assume we’ll have two starting lineups, depending on the match ups, just like last year. Good move LD. You can’t substitute well, but you did do that right in my opinion.

Small lineup:

Al
Josh
Marvin
JJ
Teague

Big lineup:
Collins/ZaZa
Al
Josh
JJ
Teague

Small bench:

Collins/ZaZa/Kito
Rolle as bigs
McGrady and Sy as wings
Watson (maybe) and Wannamaker, then Hinrich eventually as PG’s and some SG

Big lineup bench:
ZaZa/Kito/Rolle
Marvin and McGrady at wings
Watson/Wannamaker/eventually Hinrich.

We have the talent to go 44-22 and make a ECF run.

We have the coach to go 22-44.

Talentwise, Sekou is wrong.

Coaching wise, Sekou is right.

I don’t know where we’ll end up really.

I would really like to see us sign a Troy Murphy, Josh McRoberts, or somebody I trust backing up the 4 a little more than Rolle. Rolle may turn out to be great, he just has no track record at this point.

I know in Indy they just raved about him; and one of the ESPN guys had picked him during the draft as the guy most likely to surprise in a late draft pick. So we’ll see.

But kudos to all the guys coming in shape! That speaks well of the character and commitment of this team, as does there playoff run.

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Well Sekou has it on his blog that Dwight asks to be traded to NJN – NJ offering Lopez and two 1st picks.

Wouldn’t surprise me if Josh doesn’t follow – they are best friends…

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If Dwight goes to NJN, I don’t think they have the trade assets to bring Josh with him. Morrow, Farmar, Damion James, Johann Petro (wow Sund was bad in Seattle – he’s actually done much better here under tough circumstances – good assistants here I think), Maybe Jordan Williams and Morrow since LD wants a shooter for Josh. But that still seems like too little. They’ve got Marshon Brooks also.

But DeRon, Dwight, and if they could get Josh would be a pretty stout 3-some. And if they added some pieces they could be right there as a very good team.

But the Heat signing Battier, if they stay healthy, may have sealed the deal. But Chicago and the Thunder are going to be tough.

OKC and Nate Robinson may be parting ways. I like him for a specialized instant scoring guy off the bench. May be chemistry issues however.

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Oops, nix that on Jordan Williams – not who I was thinking about…

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To be honest if I was going after Nets front court players I would rather have Mr. Kardashian.

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Think Stern axing this trade will kill the conspiracy theory that the league fixes things so big market teams like LA will win?

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I’ve been thinking. By David Stern killing the deal with the Lakers…..has he not just hurt the city of New Orleans more then he has helped them? Wont Paul just leave via free agency regardless when he can? And if that happens the Hornets have nothing to show for Paul. No assets or trade picks.

Must suck to be a New Orleans fan right about now. Hell…..atleast with the Hawks we can still talk playoffs.

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Conceptually – Stern did the right thing here.

I’m not a Stern supporter / but this [veto] of the Paul trade
was right for the league. Legally and for New Orleans,
not to mention all the non-CP3 players involved;
it was bad timing and worse, it was wrong for the N.O. GM.
However, the league, should never have been in the position
of owning a franchise which compounds all that was wrong
with this resulting fiasco.
Nonetheless – Stern did what must and should have been done.
” For the Greater Good ”

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“Management is doing things right;
leadership is doing the right things”

“A leader must know, most know that he knows,
and must be able to make it abundantly clear
to those about him that he knows”

“One of the true tests of leadership
is the ability to recognize a problem
before it becomes an emergency.”

“The art of leadership is saying no,
not saying yes. It is very easy to say yes”

“Effective leadership is not about being liked;
leadership is defined by results”

“Efficiency is doing things right;
effectiveness is doing the right thing”

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Many, [but not all] of the above axioms were from -Peter Drucker-
[Mr drucker, (deceased), businessman / consultant / author]

*my laziness at this hour contributed to the non labeling
of ea specific quote.

*If this were a term paper I would document better … maybe ?

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Superiorblogman,

I know the amnesty rule (amnestied players are auctioned to non tax teams*).

I said that Billups will end up in MIA because he expressed his unwillingness to report to a non-contender.

SO: whoever claims him off waivers will have trade him to someone who qualifies as “contender” if, and here I don’t know the rules, if he can be traded after being claimed off waivers (immediately or midway the season***).

* could** be the reason why Sund does not want to go into luxury NOW.

** doubt it though

*** I don’t see why would the league forbid a trade involving a player signed off waivers

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And what’s with all these dunce columnists saying OMG we can’t replace Crawfords 15ppg! The sky is falling! The sky is falling! Didn’t Teague average 16pp going head-up with the league MVP? What was Crawford’s average in that series?

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Thing is all these casual fans and columnists who are not basketball minds can’t see past the flashy games where JC1’s shot was on to see the complete picture. Rob Mahoney is a basketball mind. He says:

“I find it hard to believe that McGrady could possibly be a lesser perimeter defender than Crawford.”

So T-Mac DEFENDS better than JC1, he PASSES better than JC1, he REBOUNDS better than JC1. But on a team where he played behind starter Tay Prince, because he scored fewer PPG, everyone sounds the PANIC ALARM and thinks this is a downgrade. KH two way player… UPGRADE! T-MAC two way player… UPGRADE!

Would our resident basketball mind G-Dad care to chime in?

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Nah, I’m jk, of course we’ll never make a big splash with these owners, and yes Sekou is a hater. I’ll never take anything he says serious because he’s fat.

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Free-agent guard Jamal Crawford is the only Hawks rotation player who won’t be on the roster to start camp. Hawks general manager Rick Sund has said he wants to re-sign Crawford, but the guard has drawn strong interest on the market and may be out of the Hawks’ price range.

Crawford, in a series of posts to his Twitter account, expressed frustration with what he considers to be lukewarm interest from the Hawks.

“Whoever wants to talk I’m willing to listen,” Crawford said in response to a message asking him which is his preferred destination. “[T]hat’s what happens when [your] own team is confused.”

It really sucks rooting for good teams with terrible management. That is the case with the Falcons, Braves and Hawks. Atleast the Falcons have a good owner thats willing to spend, but their coaching is just plain awful.

The Braves and Hawks somehow managed to fall into the hands of money hungry corporate monguls and we see the product.

Listening to Jamal talk, he pretty much is saying what most guys in the league are saying and thats why should i go play there when they dont even know what they are doing down there in Atlanta. Dang shame when players are trying to go to the Nets and Clippers before they would come to Atlanta.

Atlanta is just not a great sports city right now.

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No Deal!

To answer Grandmaster JeJe re: What does it mean that the NO Hornets is a league owned team?
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The NO Hornets are owned collectively by the remaining 31 teams of the league. Can someone check me on the total number of teams there are? Take that number minus one.

Dan Gilbert sent a scathing email to Stern in opposition to CP3 going to the LA Lakers in light of what LeBron just did in Miami. Dan Gilbert said, “You may as well just call the NBA 5 teams versus the 25 Washington Generals!”.
-MSNBC “Morning Joe” Show”-

Further, Dan Gilbert demanded Stern put the vote to the what, (25 owners?) and, all but 5 teams voted the deal down.

Stern is saying, “This was a decision made for the good of the NBA and, in the spirit of competitive balance around the league.” – MSNBC “Morning Joe” Show”-

To team Kobe with CP3 is just not fair to small market teams like New Orleans – is the mantra.
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Here’s my point: OK, the CP3 deal was nixed by the selling team NO, which is owned by all the other teams – not named The NO Hornets. What about the other small market teams that are not owned by the league? Let’s ponder, IF CP3 had played for Minnesota, would that trade have gone down? If so, then the new CBA does not drive competitive balance as currently written.

The new CBA is a sham, because the 1% will always ignore any luxury tax ramifications in a quest to WIN The Lombardi – Always!

Without a hard cap, contraction and non-guaranteed contracts, the competitive balance theory will remain just that – a theory!
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-drmaryb- The Entertainment Reporter

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Googled: How many NBA teams are there?

May 1, 2011 … There are 30 current basketball team in NBA.These teams divides as the western
conference and eastern conference. List of Current NBA …
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So, Grandmaster JeJe, the NO Hornets are owned by the remaining 29 NBA teams. Collusion at it’s best? Damn straight!

So the 29 remaining teams voted to NIX the CP3 to LA trade. 5 teams voted YES and 24 teams voted NO.

I wasn’t sure of how many teams the NBA boasts.
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Like I lamented earlier: What IF CP3 was being held hostage in Minnesota? Then what? This is a systematic example of The Ricoh Act, in it’s highest form: in a word – collusion! In a Federal Court, this ACT would be illegal.

Only in America … Only in America – my cohorts!
CP3 will undoubtedly play the entire year in NO unless he agrees to sign an extension elsewhere of the NBA’s liking. This conundrum alone will cost his an additional year and some 30M? dollars, IF he walks away in UFA – CP3 will not benefit from any Bird Rights (see Jamal Crawford w/o a SNT). Without a SNT, Jamal is looking at a MLE around 5M per year.

Correct me please, IF I’m wrong here. O’Brien | Najeh?

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Doodle De-Doo!

OB, what does Dooling do well? Is he a SG?

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“The Hawks have made significant changes to the core. They have jettisoned two players who cant guard ANYBODY in the NBA, Bibby and Crawford. To replace their production the Old Horse signed two players who are better BASKETBALL players than Crawford will ever be, Hinrich and T-Mac. These players play BOTH ENDS and know how to PASS AND GET TEAMMATES INVOLVED. These are BASKETBALL SKILLS that people who think Crawford’s volume scoring is good basketball will never understand.”

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I’m sorry, but they haven’t made any changes to the core.

Every move the Hawks have made were geared to be rental peices/stop-gaps. Bibby could’ve been viewed as a member of ‘the core’, but truth is, he was simply supposed to be a stop-gap until we found our PG of the future. And honestly, do you not see how long it took the Hawks to finally move past the Bibby even with his deteriorating skill set?

People were all over the Hinrich deal last season, but truth is, we wouldn’t be looking for as much pop off the bench right now had we not traded for Hinrich in the first place. We could’ve used JC2 and that extra draft pick. Could’ve helped provide us peices, even though they probably would’ve never cracked the rotation. Hinrich hasn’t done much since he’s gotten here. He helped out in the Magic series, and then we saw that Teague really could’ve been that guy to fill Bibby’s shoes had this coaching staff not been so arrogant. Wouldn’t have costs us an arm and leg either.

Jamal, member of the core? You can say that if you want. But, he was only a Hawk for 2 seasons.

Adding T-Mac doesn’t excite anybody. This team is nowhere near contention. The best teams in the league (you know, the one’s that were *already better* than the Hawks) are getting even better. Swapping Jamal for T-Mac ain’t gonna get us anywhere. You see teams like the Bulls and OKC making leaps with their core, while we’re here barely crawling, at most taking baby steps.

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Salary Gap!

For the Love of Money? CP3 can just walk on to The Lakers as an UFA next Summer. He could very well surmise that, he can re-coup those 30M from LA endorsements – but, can he? I mean Kobe does own the LA market, endorsement wise – right? The question is:

Does CP3 have the heart to leave that type of money on the table, just for the opportunity to play in LA with an aging Kobe? Can he do it just for:

The Love of Basketball? What a conundrum. The ultimate test of motives. Who knew Bird Rights would be so seductive? Who knew?

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Hawks 2nd tier team at best. David Stern has proven this league is DUMB with the screwing the Hornets got last night.

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sekou big blue all the way.

folks ex ecept for a brief flurry at the end last year we were already on the skids in my opinion. if you are not going up you are going down. two players of vital importance for depth are gone probably. jc gone and depending on our standings capt kirk might be trade fodder to a co tender to rid ourselves of money in right circumstance.

only thing left is mutiny if things really go beyond skidding.

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Risk Assessment!

doc, jump in here if you will? CP3 does not want to take the risk of a re-injury to that unstable knee this season, especially with the back to back to backs in a truncated 66 game brutal schedule.

What will be his worth this season if that knee goes “Gregg Oden” on him? Can we get a risk assessment?

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The only problem I have with Stern is that the league isn’t clear on it’s process and execution of the process. If they explain why the stopped this deal and identified where in the CBA this can and should happen then there would be much less grumbling from the basketball community. For now it just looks like Stern’s being a Tyrant. If anyone thinks this was an OK trade, please explain to me how the Rockets got any better in the trade or how they got as much in the trade as NO and the Lakers?

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I wish it were Stern who was the genius; instead it took Gilbert to make total sense of the situation.
How the Lakers can even get a shot at CP3 is amazing…they continue to tweak the rules in their favor.

Now, will we ever see Sund make an organizational changing move? He absolutely is stealing money from the ASG for his ‘expert 32 year knowledge of the NBA’. It is hard to continue to watch the Lakers and Celtics rip this league in their favor and take risks to get the LOB trophy in their presence.

We say ATL is a bad sports town; well, without the Lakers, LA is in worse shape. They just happen to have a family that is willing to take risks beyond the league rules. Since Chamberlain to Jabbar, they have always found a way to be on top of this league. Sund has watched this go on for 30+ years and has what to show for his experience? A resume with team affiliations probably as long as Joe Smith.

While I wait for Sund to come out and say we gave it our best shot to keep JC1, the rest of the league continues to remold their roster. We are challenged with so many limitations, we will be lucky to see us hold onto the 4th seed in the playoffs. Truth-be-told, Sund likes us right where we are in this league. He can say he runs a continuous playoff bound team and only has to overpay his own roster to keep it rolling. It will catch up to him soon enough when these guys quit producing.

I can easily see a 1st round bounce this year with what has been constructed so far.

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Haha, Hawks.com shows us the current roster from 2011-12.

Seriously, can anybody look at that roster and say, okay, we are ready for a championship run?

And, it now sounds like D12 is going to demand a trade to the NETS! Really? Come on Sund! Get off your arse!

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Gloves come off at 2PM. So, about time to let the BIG RAY out of his cage….eh I know he’s got a blog in him somewhere.

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KevinM,

The Jazz have just agreed terms with Jamaal Tinsley.

Add him to Devin Harris as PG2 and PG1 and you’ll see that there is very little space for them to waste with Watson.

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vava, that’s hilarious! Jamal Tinsley? He’s been gone 2 years!

Tell Sund to go get Rafer Alston then..he can probably play 1/2 court basketball.

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Amnesty coming for Baron Davis and Chauncey Billups….will we even get serious with either?

Marvin would look good on that roster.

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I think Miami is gearing up for either Baron or Chauncey.

I’d go into tax to get Billups for a couple of years. I’d give him the mid-level for sure. Then you would for sure have a championship roster in my estimation.

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Mary, Dooling is an above average defender and long distance shooter. He is a combo guard but has performed well when pressed into pure PG duty (for maybe 5-8 games). And I think that he is from Atlanta (or at least has Atlanta connections). he is an 15-20 minute/game guy who won’t do anything stupid to hurt the team (but also won’t likely do anything heroic). Think Delonte West without the tatts and the guns in the backpack. He would have been a nice add to the team.

Hornets got screwed with the blocked trade. They were receiving 4 quality pieces and could have easily stayed competitive this season with the new guys in the fold. At the same time, ish happens when the league owns the team. If memory serves me correctly, one of the Hawks owners tried to stop a trade back in 2005 that was negotiated by his team’s GM. With Stern essentially owning the Hornets, he was able to stop it much like Belkin attempted (and only failed because of his own partners).

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Adding the floor general Billups to the Heat with newly aquired Battier would shoot them to the stratophere. If Pat Riley pulls that off, I would be VERY impressed. BTW, Hawks still sitting on thier arse with thier pea-shooters while the rest of contenders re-up with grenades and missiles for war. I think if the Nets get Howard they jump over the Hawks.

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Who’s going to be our knock down 3pt. specialist? Josh? Kidding……..

THE HAWKS ARE GOING TO SURPRISE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ABBREVIATED SEASON! LOOK OUT!

Just need that one shooter to hit that clutch shot down the stretch! Who will it be?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm…..

Curious about Marvin’s game? Will it be a new and improved version since he finally got his back fixed, hit some weights, and is feeling 10x better than he has in years? Stay tuned…

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Didn’t Miami just pick up a 7 footer a couple of day ago? Wow…

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The only little, tiny sliver of silver lining I see with Miami signing Shane, and it’s not much hope, but a small crack is what is the lineup going to look like closing out games?

All I can see is:

LeBron at Point Forward
DWade
Battier
Haslem
Bosh

That’s stout, but a team with a quality PG, and a real Big would give that group trouble.

And a bench of Chalmers (if he re-signs), Miller, and Anthony. You still have no real Big. And if you bring Chalmers in, Battier or Haslem has to sit. Which means you either lose your solid vet lock down defender in Battier, or you go very small up front, and lose Mr. Hustle in Haslem. Bring Anthony in, and somebody still has to sit.

I think they may have some chemistry issues. Not much hope, but hope nonetheless.

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SteveW, I just don’t see what you are seeing. Have you see our playoff performances? Who is going to hit critical shots?
Who is going to dominate the glass? Other than Collins and Zaza, our guys don’t want to battle in the paint.

Yes, with D12 out of the conference, we may end up 2nd behind Miami now….should that happen.

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Steve, you’re assuming Miami is done. What if they get Pryzbilla or Kwame or Dampier or Ratliff or Diop (who will be amnestied) or any other serviceable big man to foul-a-lot in late game situations?

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Boston trying to improve, but not much so far…..if they lose Big Baby, they will be hurting inside.

Miami will get another big man just in case Eddy Curry is a train wreck..and he is.

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Why is everyone hating on Kirk so much? Kirk is a SOLID piece. I’m fine keeping Kirk around. Back-up PG AND SG. Doesn’t make mistakes and plays great defense. What is going to make the difference in the Hawks is having a much better Defense because of no Bibby or JC.

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Brandon Roy is RETIRING!

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If Brandon Roy is retiring, doesn’t this open up a S&T opportunity with Portland?

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Ryan,

I don’t think anyone hates on Kirk on the blog execpt Superiorblogman (and maybe he has changed his mind since last season). The reality is that the ASG treats the Luxury Tax as hollowed ground upon which they may not step. I wish we could change their mind but it won’t happen.

So what are we to do? Leave Hinrich on the shelf while he heals and play most of the season with a weak bench and an unprotected rim. I wish we could keep Hinrich. Heck, I wish the S&T would have worked with Chicago. While I’m sitting on Santa’s lap I also wish Orlando would trade Howard to us for Marvin.

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Either Marcus Camby or Raymond Felton.

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Woke up this morning with a smile still on my face b/c CP3 is not going to L.A….LOL

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Hawks Versus the Heat in the above scenario:

When the Heat have the ball:

Teague/Hinrich would be guarding DWade – Hinrich is known as a DWade stopper, and I think Teague with his speed could give DWade problems. But of course Wade could post Teague.

We could do that.

JJ would Guard LeBron – He can for short stretches Guard him about as well as anybody. JJ wants to be bigtime, so he tries very hard in these situations.

We could do that

Marvin would G Battier – He can if he doesn’t fall down

Josh would G Haslem or Bosh – He can do either. Probably Haslem, because I can’t see Al chasing Haslem.

So Al would G Bosh – he can do that.

So we can Guard them if properly motivated and coached at the end of games.

Can the Heat Guard us?

Wade would Guard Teague. I think Teague could wear the soon to be 30 year old, oft injured Wade out with his speed a little bit.

LeBron would Guard Marvin – and this would probably give LeBron a rest for the offensive end.

Battier would Guard JJ – Not good for the Hawks

Haslem would Guard who? Probably Josh – but Josh can take the oft injured, 31 year old Haslem anytime he wanted. Especially now that Josh has lost 30 lbs. I know Udonis is fierce, but he’s not 28 any more.

And Bosh would Guard Horford. And with Horford’s midrange, Bosh has to pick his poison – come out and contest it, and leave the good passer Horford to pass to cutters to the basket, with no inside help to contest, or let the best midrange shooter in the League open to drain shots.

The Hawks, with their athleticism, are uniquely suited to harass the Heat.

Especially if Larry turns into a good Coach sometime soon. But he did do the two lineup thing, which I feel was good. And the Collins on Dwight thing, also good. It’s his in game stuff that leaves you wondering…

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We’re about as close a contender as Portland is, Roy or no Roy.

If Oden comes back, they have frontcourt depth. I like their balance of a roster. They have depth everywhere except SG and JC1 probably improves their chances.

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I got my answer on Roy:

“John Hollinger: Medical retirement means Roy’s $$ would come off cap and tax one year from now. Explaining why Blazers didn’t amnesty him.”

Now, not sure they can afford JC1 unless a S&T….

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Mark Cuban -”if we made the move to keep everyone together with 5-yr deals, the team we have today is going to be the team we have ”

Are you taking notes Sund? You could learn a thing or 2 from that quote.

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You know about Miami signing another Big – they didn’t play Dampier much later in the season and in the playoffs – he’s about done.

Theo – the same – about done

And the point still holds – you can only play 5 guys at the time. If you bring in Kwame, which would be great for the other team because he’s as likely to throw the ball to them as his own teammate, you still have to sit either Haslem the inspiration, or Battier the D beast. Because I don’t think you’ll sit one of the big 3 in crunch time.

I still say they will have match up problems in crunch time against some teams.

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Ryan, I would normally be curious on the MLE rule, but Sund hasn’t used one yet….a couple of other comments Sund has given us:

“We will go as far as Joe takes us”
“We aren’t bringing in any elite FAs”

Those statements resonate with Sund’s actions today.

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Ryan,

That Childress exception was expired the day the Hawks acquired it. They never had any intentions to use it besides saying they got compensation from trading him…

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One other slight sliver of hope that the Heat won’t go 66-0 and sweep the playoffs – they may not even win the Championship. The other sliver of hope is:

Miller, Haslem, Battier, and DWade in January will all be 30+. Haslem is a walking medivac, same with Miller. DWade gets hurt alot because he’s a kamikaze – and he’s older now. Those nagging things will start catching up with him, especially in a compressed season. Even Battier may get worn down a little.

So maybe their not as invulnerable as they may appear.

And a team like Chicago that brings Noah, Boozer, Gibson, and Asik at you up front, Deng on the Wing ( I like that – catchy phrase), and a DRose relentlessly coming at you may be a good tonic for them also.

But if everybody stays healthy, I’ll admit, it doesn’t look good. But they may still have some chemistry issues by trying to trade Bosh or something. Who knows? That’s why they play the season.

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MC,

Will it be possible for you to ask Rick Sund what is the plan for the Childress’ exception?

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@Buddy Grizzard, vava74 and Grandmaster JeJe

typos/mistakes from my above post:

“…The 155 games played to date (79 in ‘09-’10 and 76 in ‘10-’11) by Crawford over the past two regular [seasons] shows a high level of durability and dependability in the Hawks’ lineup…”

“…In addition, Crawford has [scored] 17+ points (off the bench) in 13 of 24 playoff appearances for the Hawks…”

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OB – Thanks – must’ve missed that Northcyde post. Yes, now I could see getting Pau and Marc – that’s a good FC, and you don’t really need Scola in there with those two. That’s a championship caliber FC.

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Slim, I have 160k+ miles on my Infiniti… engine is just fine.

tyger, Hornets would pay CP3 same as Lakers. It isn’t about the money CP3 will make, he wants out because of the quality of his teammates in NO.

Rev, it would require that we trade Hinrich to a team that is far enough under the cap that all we need to take back is a draft pick.

Now Portland only has to worry about one set of bad knees. And they only have a year at risk with Oden. Which is also why Camby is likely untouchable.

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@The Real Mandingo

Why I won’t miss Jamal

Jamal gave up 5.3 more point per 100 possessions with Crawford on the court than when he was off the court, the worst differential on the team.
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This is the 2nd game aginst the Bulls regular season

“Chicago’s offense: 23 points on 17 possessions

That works out to 135 points per 100 possessions. The league’s best offense typically scores about 114 points per 100 possessions. In other words, Chicago did rather nicely.

• Rose’s stats: 4-of-8, eight points, three assists, zero turnovers

So on all the rest of Chicago’s possessions, including fast-breaks, Rose shot 6-of-19, dished out seven assists and committed all eight of his turnovers.”- Bret LaGree

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“I almost forgot to mention that this past regular season (’10-11) Jamal Crawford scored 30+ points off the bench in three games (31 @ Sacramento, 36 @ Toronto and 34 vs. LAC).”- Mandigo

All last second wins and their average guards were having career days.

Basketball is played on both end of the floor..Offense and defense.

PS. I don’t blame Jamal..I blame the coaches for the way they used him.

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“Defense wins Championships” unknown author

We wont miss Jamal that much…

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I think the hawks should take a look at Kris Humphries. He will be out to prove that he is a basketball player and not just tabloid drama. He could have a big season.

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