Atlanta Hawks: Marvin Williams pain free, Teague confident in jump shot

Today at Philips Jeff Teague pulled up for a 3-pointer but Marvin Williams reached up and got a piece of the ball as it left Teague’s hand.

As Teague ran to collect the ball, he told Marvin: “I’m not used to you being that tall.”

Teague was joking, but not really. Marvin’s posture really did look more upright than usual. He appeared to move more fluidly.

And, most importantly, Marvin says back surgery alleviated the pain that has nagged him after he’s taken some spills over the last few years.

“I feel ten times better to be able to run and jump and be pain free,” he said. “I know tonight when I go to sleep I won’t wake up and feel sore.”

Marvin had surgery on June8 to alleviate an isolated bulging disk. He said he was immobile for nearly 12 weeks following the procedure.

“I could not even clean my room,” he said. “I could not bend. It was a task to shower.”

Marvin said he started lifting weights in mid-August and returned to court work in September. He’s been playing and working out regularly since then.

As for the timing of the surgery, Marvin said ht discussed the possibility with Hawks training personnel at the end of the season.

“We thought it would be a good idea with the lockout coming,” he said. “I went home and talked to my parents about it and they felt it would be the best thing for me. It thankfully worked out. The timing was perfect for me.”

Marvin looked to be in great shape and so did Teague, who enters camp facing a situation similar to before the East semis.

Kirk Hinrich is out injured and the Hawks have no other real options at point guard. This is Teague’s chance to show the East semis were not an aberration, that he can indeed be a bona fide NBA starter.

The way Teague sees it, he was going to do that regardless of whether Hinrich got hurt or not (though it does mean L.D. doesn’t have anyone else to waive in for Teague right now).

“Everybody tries to make it like me against Kirk, but I like Kirk,” Teague said. “He’s a good player. I know at some point I was going to be able to play along with him. He’s a great player and I love playing with him when had the opportunity to play with him.

“Now that he’s injured somebody has to step up and it looks like I’m that guy. Whoever they bring in, we have to come together and make a great back court. I’m all about winning.”

Teague said he spent his offseason working on his jumper. That’s important because opponents will have a better scout on him this season and work to keep him away from the rim and his floater sweet spot and make him prove he can shoot better than 34 percent from 10 feet and beyond.

Teague said he’s focused on getting his hand under the ball each time he shoots.

“I feel like my jump shot has come a long way,” he said. “It’s a matter of putting more arch on it. I could always shoot. I’ve always relied on my ability to get to the basket but now I am more confident in the shot.”

Teague said he’s also spent a lot of time in the weight room and feels stronger–he claims he’s “jumping a lot higher right now” though I couldn’t tell if he was just boasting. He said his weight increased to as much as 190 pounds earlier in the offseason buthe’s back down to 180.

“I tried to get bigger but it felt like it was slowing me down when I got in the 185, 190 range,” he said. “It doesn’t feel comfortable.”

Teague and Marvin worked out alongside Stack while Kito shot baskets at the other end. I’m told Damien was at Philips earlier in the morning but I never caught up with him. Pape Sy was lifting weights during the time us media types where there.

There also was a brief Rick Sund sighting but he declined my interview request.

Etc.

  • Stephen A. Smith tweeted that T-Mac “will go to Atlanta unless Chicago makes a comparable offer.” Does this mean there is a bidding war for T-Mac? I checked this with the Hawks but haven’t heard back yet.
  • I will post a blog on the schedule when it’s released tonight at 7 p.m.. Word is the Hawks will play two sets of back-to-back-to-backs and 15 sets of back-to-backs. There’s also two inexplicable road trips: Milwaukee to San Antonio to Detroit to New Orleans to Toronto; and Indiana to Miami to Detroit to Sacramento to Denver to Los Angeles (Clippers). Good for my frequent-flyer account, not so good for my sanity.
  • The Hawks have eliminated ticket fees for all home games this season. Said team prez Bob Williams in a statement: “Our owners, Bruce Levenson and Michael Gearon, wanted to thank Hawks fans for their support and loyalty. We felt that the unprecedented elimination of all fees, whether tickets are purchased on the internet, by phone or at a TicketMaster outlet, would be a meaningful way to reward our fans.”
  • John Hollinger has finished his Hawks player projections (Insider). Hoopinion’s Bret LaGree was part of an ESPN.com Hawks 5-on-5.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

82 comments Add your comment

C dog

December 6th, 2011
5:41 pm

C dog

December 6th, 2011
5:44 pm

Any news on CP3? I’m sure nothing new but just asking…i’ll be DVRing the ESPN special on the NBA tonight at 8

vava74

December 6th, 2011
5:45 pm

will Marvin rise from the ashes?

will the Moon turn green?

this and many other questions… answered after this word from our sponsor…

Fundamentals

December 6th, 2011
5:48 pm

Thanks MC keep it up. Looking forward to Friday.

Michael Cunningham

December 6th, 2011
5:51 pm

@Fundamentals: “Thanks MC keep it up. Looking forward to Friday.”

oh, that reminds me: camps could be moved back to Monday because teams like the Hawks who don’t have a lot of guys are complaining.

Fundamentals

December 6th, 2011
5:52 pm

If you’re honest with yourself you’ll remember Marvin had great spells, especially when Joe was out that ended with a hard fall. Maybe his back was his issue. Maybe, just maybe he will finally find his confidence and role on this team. We desperately need him.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 6th, 2011
5:53 pm

That’s nice of them to get rid of ticket fees. But hopefully this isn’t their latest excuse for not going over the luxury tax line.

Michael Cunningham

December 6th, 2011
5:53 pm

@C dog: “Any news on CP3? I’m sure nothing new but just asking…”

Woj is reporting it’s Clipper, Warriors and Celtics in running. i haven’t heard anything concrete from Hawks’ end.

Fundamentals

December 6th, 2011
5:53 pm

MC – I meant the free agent flurry will be in full swing.

vava74

December 6th, 2011
6:07 pm

And now, a minute from our sponsor, Al-Haters:

“Michael Wallace, ESPN.com: You could have given me a hundred guesses and I would have never figured that Al Horford led the league last season in field goal percentage from 16 to 23 feet, even beating out Dirk Nowitzki. It also means he’s a power forward/center who excels offensively much further away from the basket than the Hawks need or would really like him to. Maybe Al’s really a stretch four and not the rugged, bruising power player everyone wants him to be.”

FreshFromATL

December 6th, 2011
6:11 pm

Nice report MC.

vava74

December 6th, 2011
6:11 pm

The above proves 2 things:

Al has been figured out – to some extent as a stretch/finesse PF

As I said all along, scouting (and reporting) where well behind on their assessment of Al’s strengths, which means that this year, with updated scouting – they will all close out on him.

vava74

December 6th, 2011
6:14 pm

so many typos :-z

O'Brien

December 6th, 2011
6:15 pm

And, most importantly, Marvin says back surgery alleviated the pain that has nagged him after he’s taken some spills over the last few years..

Even if he feels better, isn’t he going to continue to have more spills? Is there a surgery to reduce the chances of him stumbling and bumbling?

O'Brien

December 6th, 2011
6:19 pm

Why is it the ASG always seem a year or two behind?

Some of us suggested signing T-Mac last offseason. And now they are thinking about bringing him in?

Jeff.Joe.Josh.Leuer.Bogut

December 6th, 2011
6:20 pm

Um vava 74… a stretch four? A stretch does not mean average 4 range.

The Stretch Four is a term used in basketball to describe a player who plays the power forward position, but has skills outside those normally associated with the position. Power forwards (PF’s) predominantly play close to the basket, using their size and strength to provide interior defense, rebounding, and scoring close to the basket. A stretch four is a player that is of power forward size, and usually guards other power forwards. The differences come largely on the offensive end: stretch fours generally have superior ball-handling, passing, and especially shooting skills. This allows them to “stretch” the opponent’s defense, creating more driving lanes for guards and more post spacing for centers. Rashard Lewis of the NBA’s Orlando Magic is often characterized as a stretch four—he was originally a small forward, but after his arrival in Orlando from Seattle, he played mostly at the power forward position.

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Bret LaGree, Hoopinion: Players who can create or convert higher percentage shots: at the rim, beyond the arc, and by getting to the foul line. It’s really difficult to be consistently productive with an offense built around two-point jump shots.

Rob Mahoney, The Two Man Game: I was a little surprised by the contrast in foul-drawing ability between Atlanta’s two most prominent centers. Al Horford’s versatile game tends to make his free throw rate a bit of an afterthought, but averaging only 0.20 free throw attempts per field goal attempt is pretty dreadful. On the other end of the spectrum, Zaza Pachulia quietly parades to the free throw line night after night. His FT totals are still low in the league-wide sense, but when we account for the context of minutes and usage, Pachulia is a certifiable foul-drawing machine.

5. Will a shortened season help or hurt
the
Hawks?

Rashad Mobley, Truth About It: The answer is neither. Whether there are 66 or 82 games being played, it isn’t difficult to write the script for the Hawks. They’ll have an above-average regular season, they’ll get a 5- or 6-seed, they’ll be world beaters in their initial playoff series, and have an unceremonious exit in the second one.

Jeff.Joe.Josh.Leuer.Bogut

December 6th, 2011
6:27 pm

You too, Mr. Horford

Smith wasn’t the only Hawk whose shot selection changed dramatically. After attempting 69 percent of his shots from the paint in his first three seasons, Al Horford attempted more than half of his shots from outside the paint last season.

Like Smith, Horford got to the glass and free throw line less often. His offensive rebounding percentage regressed from 9.7 percent in ‘09-10 to 8.1 percent last season. His free throw attempts fell to 2.5 per 36 minutes, down from 3.4.

Horford’s free throw attempt rate (FTA/FGA) put him in the company of mostly finesse big men.
Lowest free throw attempt rate among players 6-foot-10 or taller

Minimum 500 FGA
Channing Frye
Ryan Anderson
Al Horford
Charlie Villanueva
Rashard Lewis
Darko Milicic
Ersan Ilyasova
Hedo Turkoglu
Al Jefferson

O'Brien

December 6th, 2011
6:27 pm

From the ESPN 5 on 5.

J.M. Poulard, Warriors World: Jamal Crawford is as judicious in his shot selection as Allen Iverson; which consequently translates into low field goal percentage figures. No surprise there. But Crawford’s inability to help his teammates out on the defensive end as well his shoddy rebounding rate are surprising and down right unforgivable..

Vava,

Are you J.M. Poulard :smile:

bigdave

December 6th, 2011
6:29 pm

“Michael Wallace, ESPN.com: You could have given me a hundred guesses and I would have never figured that Al Horford led the league last season in field goal percentage from 16 to 23 feet, even beating out Dirk Nowitzki. It also means he’s a power forward/center who excels offensively much further away from the basket than the Hawks need or would really like him to. Maybe Al’s really a stretch four and not the rugged, bruising power player everyone wants him to be.”

Mike

December 6th, 2011
6:30 pm

That sounds really good, and I was doing some thinking about this and I believe we shouldnt get involved with the CPIII derby. I am thinking that CPIII could be all world but if Jeff Teague contiunes to grows, he can be our own CPIII and we dont have to give up the world either. CPII would be nice for this team but let face it that ship sailed years ago.

Rev in Tampa

December 6th, 2011
6:33 pm

vava,
Some were pointing out that Al hit his mid-range jumpshots against centers who are not as fleet of foot as powerfowards. I sincerely hope Al does no try to play PF this year.

Xavier Molina

December 6th, 2011
6:35 pm

Listen to this, the hawks go for former Vanderbilt star Shan Foster who is currently playing in europe. He was drafted by the mavericks but moved to europe and does anyone remember how good Shan Foster was at Vandy. HE WAS A BOSS. HOLD HIS D HE IS A BOSS. Hawks need him look at his 42 pt game against Miss. State on youtube- he makes shots from JIMMER RANGE

Sol

December 6th, 2011
6:38 pm

Its time Hawks management pull a trigger on Josh Smith, bring CP3 for Josh and Teague

Carrlos lyles

December 6th, 2011
6:42 pm

Hawks just need to man up and play defense their randomness on offense is good to throw teams off and win games, but if they take a real passion on the defensive end then they will be in good position come playoff time.

Rod from College Park

December 6th, 2011
6:46 pm

As O’Brien said, so after game one,is when Marvin falls 3 or 4 times, what will happen then. Unless he has learned how to walk without tripping over his own feet, he will never be a decent NBA player.

J.J.M.

December 6th, 2011
6:48 pm

northcyde

December 6th, 2011
6:56 pm

I don’t have a problem with Horford being a “stretch 4″, as long as we have a “banger 5″. The problem is that both Al and Smith want to be “stretch 4s”. That’s too much stretching and not enough banging. Hawks were 28th in rebounding last year. If we keep this team intact, we may need both guys to average 10 rebounds per game, or one of these guys to really breakout as a rebounder, and average 12+ rebounds a game. That’s simply the reality for this team.

As for the T-Mac comment by Stephen A. Smith, I had forgotten all about T-Mac. He didn’t play bad at all in Detroit. His main asset to the Hawks may be his passing skills, which hasn’t eroded.

T-Mac is a much better options as a reserve wing, than Damien Wilkins is. Or we may opt to bring both of them in. Marvin may see more time at PF this year.

bigdave

December 6th, 2011
6:57 pm

“Michael Wallace, ESPN.com: If Jamal Crawford departs in free agency, the obvious need would be for a boost off the bench. But a much more simplistic need is for some consistency. You never know what to expect from these Hawks. They are good enough and scary enough defensively to give anyone in the East problems. But the Jekyll and Hyde act destroys this team. The element of the unknown is mind-boggling. (It’s almost as if no one has a definitive role or is willing to accept one.)”

this dude actually might watch the Hawks..

Najeh Davenpoop

December 6th, 2011
6:58 pm

“That’s too much stretching and not enough banging. ”

That’s what I say every time I see a Rosa Acosta video.

O'Brien

December 6th, 2011
6:58 pm

northcyde,

Damien is a better hustler/defender than T-Mac.

J.J.M.

December 6th, 2011
6:59 pm

lmaoooooo Najeh Davenpoop

Najeh Davenpoop

December 6th, 2011
7:00 pm

Can anyone with Insider post Hollinger’s Hawks player profile column?

Najeh Davenpoop

December 6th, 2011
7:01 pm

Najeh Davenpoop

December 6th, 2011
7:05 pm

From that player profile column:

MARVIN WILLIAMS, SF
Projection: 14.3 pts, 6.7 reb, 1.8 ast per 40 min; 13.67 PER | Player card

• Passive combo forward with good midrange shot. Excellent finisher in transition.

Waiting for Rod in College Park’s response.

northcyde

December 6th, 2011
7:07 pm

Xavier . . .the problem with Shan is that he can’t create his own shot on the NBA level. He’s basically like Adam Morrison as far as how his game translates to the NBA. Jodie Meeks is probably a better comparison, but Jodie is a better athlete than Shan.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 6th, 2011
7:10 pm

More from that article:

Additionally, his rebounding went from merely poor to You Can’t Be Serious. Crawford is 6-6 and athletic; nobody expects him to outmuscle Kevin Love on the block, but you’d think a few boards would come his way just by dumb luck. Instead he rebounded only 3.4 percent of missed shots when he was on the floor, the single worst figure in the entire NBA. In a league that employed J.J. Barea, Earl Boykins, Aaron Brooks, Patty Mills and Pooh Jeter, among others, Crawford — who, again, is 6-6 — managed to land at rock bottom.

northcyde

December 6th, 2011
7:12 pm

LOL @ how Hollinger has JJ regressing even more . . . a 15.15 PER for JJ huh? We’ll see. He underrates JJ every year in these player profiles, while hyping up Josh Smith.

KevinM

December 6th, 2011
7:15 pm

TMac comes here if there is no one interested….I haven’t heard enough yet to know that. I would be okay to see if he could contribute to this team.

OB, this is the 2nd guy suggested here for years….Damien Wilkens was a fav of this blog ever since I joined.

Now, MC, after what you saw on the court today, what was your first impression of Marvin? Can we actually believe he might be able to contribute more than he has previously? As we know, he hasn’t exactly been considered consistent. The only consistency he showed was when Joe was down for a couple of weeks.

I remember saying that Josh and Marvin never seemed to play well together, but perhaps the question should have been, does Marvin play well with anybody? I am looking for a miracle of sorts based on what he is costing this team. He has to be a big contributor, especially defensively. I just think his minutes will continue to be limited with Josh sliding outside the paint.’

And now, we still need a C to man the post because Al now wants to be on the outside looking in.

J.J.M.

December 6th, 2011
7:16 pm

lol hawks get no tnt games and tnt center is here in atlanta

FreshFromATL

December 6th, 2011
7:18 pm

I don’t want to get too excited but Marvin and Teague looks ready:

http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/marvin_teague_120611.html

Marvin looks coordinated as well. The Hawks will peak this season…

J.J.M.

December 6th, 2011
7:19 pm

marvin needs a haircut

FreshFromATL

December 6th, 2011
7:19 pm

LMAO…Marvin looks like he 7ft now…

Sautee

December 6th, 2011
7:22 pm

MC

“There’s also two inexplicable road trips: Milwaukee to San Antonio to Detroit to New Orleans to Toronto; and Indiana to Miami to Detroit to Sacramento to Denver to Los Angeles (Clippers). Good for my frequent-flyer account, not so good for my sanity. ”

Sounds like some of the musical tours I had to play. My friend Cosy calls that kind of routing “The Star of David” tour. ;-)

Najeh Davenpoop

December 6th, 2011
7:22 pm

Hawks get 1 TNT game against Miami in January. Hopefully they don’t get blown out.

In fact it seems like all the teams they play on national TV (not including NBA TV which I don’t get) this year are the same ones they played on national TV last year. Boston a couple of times, Miami a couple of times, Chicago, New York, and Portland.

northcyde

December 6th, 2011
7:22 pm

Schedule is out

One TNT game . . . vs Miami ( Jan 5th in Atlanta )

Six ESPN games . . at home vs Portland, Miami, Boston, New York ( Boston and New York games at at the end of the season ) . . . road games @ Chicago and Boston

We play the Suns, Clippers, and Blazers twice.

O'Brien

December 6th, 2011
7:25 pm

From Hollinger;

Projection: 15.9 pts, 4.0 reb, 5.9 ast per 40 min; 15.31 PER .

Who is he talking about? None other than Jeff teague.

KevinM

December 6th, 2011
7:29 pm

Wow, Clippers might be the CP3 winner, willing to give up Jordan for him. They probably have to up the ante just a bit, but the Hornets would have a good foundation with he and Gordon going there.

northcyde

December 6th, 2011
7:31 pm

So we play 5 games in 6 nights to begin January, with 4 of those games against Miami and Chicago? Thanks NBA. We sure do appreciate that.

ryan

December 6th, 2011
7:40 pm

Yep looks like Howard and Paul heading west lets face it as long as we have these bad owners we wont come close to having a big name in Atlanta .

Dawg

December 6th, 2011
7:41 pm

Teague will be our MVP this year. We should concentrate on other positions, Teague is the answer at PG.