Atlanta Hawks: CBA could have final say on tax

As teams wait to see the details of the new CBA, there are two provisions in particular that figure to have a lot of influence on whether the Hawks pay the luxury tax.

The most important consideration for the Hawks is the amount of the cash distribution non-taxpaying teams can expect to receive under the new CBA. Under the previous CBA, non-tax teams shared in 1/30th of the total tax pool. Last season the share came out to $2.4 million per team, meaning non-tax teams made out by not paying the tax and also getting that distribution.

The distribution is not expected to be as generous under the new CBA, according to cap expert Larry Coon:

2011 CBA: No more than 50 percent of the tax funds can go exclusively to teams that did not pay tax. . . .

However, while the new agreement stipulates that no more than 50 percent of the tax funds can go exclusively to teams that did not pay tax, it doesn’t specify what happens to the other 50 percent. It is possible the remaining tax money will be distributed to all teams in equal shares, but it’s also possible the NBA will reserve this money for “league purposes.”

My educated guess: If it isn’t as lucrative for the Hawks to be a non-taxpaying team anymore, that might be the thing that prods them to spend into the tax. And outside of using the amnesty now, which I’m still hearing they won’t do, I can’t think of any scenario under which they can avoid paying the tax if they add veteran players.

Trades, sign-and-trades, mid-level, bi-annual–all involve the Hawks taking on salary. They can bring back a little less in salaries than they send out in trades but rounding out the roster after the trade almost certainly would mean eventually paying some tax. Unless, of course, they fill five roster spots with nothing but undrafted rookie free agents but let’s not go there.

The other CBA element that comes into play for the Hawks is revenue-sharing. According to Coon: “A new plan approximately triples the amount of money that is revenue-shared. Details of this plan are yet to be finalized. ” The Hawks are in the large-market/low-revenue gray area so it’s not clear how big of a piece of that pie they will get. But if it’s a significant chunk it would boost their bottom line and could be another incentive to go ahead and pay the tax.

Your daily CP3

ESPN’s Chris Broussard and Marc Stein report that the Hawks are among the teams to call the Hornets about Chris Paul. That makes sense because, as the story notes, “virtually every team in the league has called” about Paul.

Certainly the Hawks have the assets to offer for Paul but I just don’t see how it’s feasible without Paul first committing to an extension, and it isn’t in his or (Dwight’s) financial interest to do that. Stein and Broussard report that Dallas and Boston are among “a small handful of teams” willing to trade for Paul with no assurances of an extension, and SI.com’s Sam Amick adds Houston to that list.

I’ve gotten a lot of questions about a previous Broussard report that mentioned Paul. So let’s review one more time exactly what he reported: “It’s not known whether Paul would consider signing an extension with the Hawks but he is known to be fond of the city of Atlanta.” Well, most of the league is fond of Atlanta–hell, it seems as if half the players live here–but that’s not the same as Paul wanting to play here and/or being willing to sign an extension to do so.

I sincerely feel for my blog people because of your history of heartache when it comes to Paul. So it makes me feel like kind of a jerk for downplaying the possibility of him coming here, and maybe it does happen, but I just wanted to make sure it’s clear what is out there.

Etc.

  • Stack said the Hawks and other teams have talked to his agent but he doesn’t have a camp invite. He thinks he can still help a team: “As long as I feel like I can still compete, when I get out here and play with these young guys in the summer, that’s really my barometer. I know there is going to come one summer where they are going to be running past me and I can’t catch up. That’s when I know its’ time to let it go. Until then, I am going to keep pushing the envelope.”
  • Pape Sy is back in Atlanta after his stint with Gravelines in France. He said he played both guard positions over there and focused on improving his shooting and aggressiveness with the ball. Now he wants to prove he’s ready for a larger role with the Hawks: “I hope so. I tried to work in France for that and I think I am ready for that.”
  • Kito is back after his short stay in Italy. He said he lost weight while there because he did lots of conditioning but he gained it back while lifting weights in Michigan. He said he’s at 230 pounds and hopes to get up to 235-240. On his European adventure: “I got to play a lot of preseason games and got a lot of professional games under my belt and got to practice. I got to learn about another culture. It was a pretty good experience. It’s a real different style of play and some of the rules are different. It took some time to get adjusted to that kind of stuff.”

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

145 comments Add your comment

hawks_4_life

December 5th, 2011
10:11 pm

First. MC is there an app for your daily blogs?

Neki

December 5th, 2011
10:13 pm

Well Michael

I believe that Chris will be able to commit to a long-term deal with Hawks as long we can contend in the East plus we can take on Okafor contact if Hawks needs to. Plus you can slide Al down to PF and Marvin as SF if need. I know that heartache is there but that is all Billy Knight right there and we can undo that mistake right now.

Section 303

December 5th, 2011
10:17 pm

I like the idea of a sign-and-trade with Jamal Crawford. No idea what team/teams I would like the Hawks to deal with. But, sounds like a lot of teams are interested. Some teams might be willing to part with some good players in exchange for locking up Crawford. Weak free agent class. Crawford is one the better players available.

Michael, when the Hawks talk to Jamal, could they discuss with him sign-and-trade options? Or, will talks strictly be about the possibility of Jamal re-signing.

Also, as a Michigan State alum and diehard football fan, I am still having a difficult time getting over the loss of the Big Ten Title Game. I was there. Rose Bowl was ripped away. Thought I was past having sports impact my mood. I’m not.

Matt

December 5th, 2011
10:19 pm

Pape Sy took out Bin Laden. The Navy SEALS just set screens for him.

Prison Mike

December 5th, 2011
10:20 pm

Thank You MC I was about to ream you about the lack of “Kito News”. I’m hoping this dude flashes some potential so we can include him to make a necessary trade down the line.

UGA

December 5th, 2011
10:20 pm

OK MC, who are some of these bargain finds for the Hawks in your opinion? Not their thinking, just your opinion……..Michael Redd, Willie Green, Flip Murray????

bigdave

December 5th, 2011
10:21 pm

Michael Cunningham

December 5th, 2011
10:21 pm

@hawks_4_life: “First. MC is there an app for your daily blogs?”

there’s an AJC Ipad app?

Michael Cunningham

December 5th, 2011
10:25 pm

@Neki: “Well Michael I believe that Chris will be able to commit to a long-term deal with Hawks as long we can contend in the East”

CP3 could tell the team that trades for him that he will consider re-signing a long-term contract after the season. it’s true that team also will have an advantage in that it retains his Bird rights. but there are no guarantees that CP3 would follow through and re-sign. some team may have to risk some good assets for what could end up being a short-term rental.

thom

December 5th, 2011
10:26 pm

pape sy got his doctorate this offseason, he is now known as Dr. Pape Sy science doctor

Michael Cunningham

December 5th, 2011
10:27 pm

@Prison Mike: “Thank You MC I was about to ream you . . .”

please don’t.

Michael Cunningham

December 5th, 2011
10:29 pm

@UGA: “OK MC, who are some of these bargain finds for the Hawks in your opinion? Not their thinking, just your opinion……..Michael Redd, Willie Green, Flip Murray????”

have to wait and see a) if the Hawks will be taxpayers and b) how the market shakes out. it could end up like last summer, where they ended up not paying the tax and some guys you thought they might be able to get on a minimum get paid more elsewhere. but as soon as a) and b) are a little clearer i will offer my opinions.

Matt

December 5th, 2011
10:29 pm

Pape Sy invented the app. Then he dunked on it.

J.J.M.

December 5th, 2011
10:30 pm

the thoughts of chris paul tossing balls up to josh smith for dunks…

thom

December 5th, 2011
10:31 pm

pape sy wasn’t afraid to say voldemort’s name outloud

Michael Cunningham

December 5th, 2011
10:31 pm

@Sec 303: “Michael, when the Hawks talk to Jamal, could they discuss with him sign-and-trade options? Or, will talks strictly be about the possibility of Jamal re-signing.”

they are allowed to talk to him about a sign-and-trade but usually that is a discussion that comes after it’s clear he can get more elsewhere and wants to leave. the discussion today was the Hawks telling Jamal they want to re-sign him but they first have to figure out the CBA and how that impacts their budget.

sorry about Sparty.

Prison Mike

December 5th, 2011
10:34 pm

Considering our big market consists of mostly transplants, I would hope we can get some love in the revenue sharing. It sucks that a high percentage of Atlanta residents are more interested in LA, Miami, NY, etc.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 5th, 2011
10:45 pm

I’m so tired of people hating on ZaZa and acting like he is useless and his contract sucks. Do you fools even watch the games? He’s the only player on this team remotely close to aggressive. When Paul Pierce shoots a 3 and Josh sulks on the 3 point line ZaZa is busy boxing out 3 Celtics for a rebound.

SMGDMFH

thom

December 5th, 2011
10:46 pm

pape sy notices ZaZa….

Matt

December 5th, 2011
11:01 pm

In French, “Pape Sy” means, “kind sir, if it’s not too much of an inconvenience to you, I will gladly take this opportunity to dunk on you ferociously.” Just sound it out.

brigadierjerry

December 5th, 2011
11:07 pm

I’m so tired of people hating on ZaZa and acting like he is useless and his contract sucks. Do you fools even watch the games? He’s the only player on this team remotely close to aggressive. When Paul Pierce shoots a 3 and Josh sulks on the 3 point line ZaZa is busy boxing out 3 Celtics for a rebound.

Good point JeJe, some dont see the amount of dirty work he does and he played very well in the playoffs especially the Bulls series. You need guys like that to win games and titles. Look at Brian Cardinel for the Mavs he was being physical with fouls and even hit a few three pointers and zaza is better than him

Ra'mon

December 5th, 2011
11:12 pm

Brigadier, look at Zaza’s salary and then look at the normal ‘hustle player’ for ‘winning teams’. For everything Zaza provides, you should be able to find for half that price.

Melvin

December 5th, 2011
11:18 pm

Steve Kyler: Clippers, Warriors, Hawks and Rockets extremely active in trade talks and sign and trade offers… Twitter

Grandmaster JeJe

December 5th, 2011
11:31 pm

Brigadier and Ra’mon,

ZaZa is invaluable given the RIGHT matchups. You have to put him against physical players like Perkins, KG, Dwight.

And 4-5m for ZaZa’s services is hardly a bad deal. Marvin gets 8m a year for being invisible and for doing that weird towel-wrap on his head when on the bench.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 5th, 2011
11:33 pm

S&t Jamal for Redick if anyone on ORL

Grandmaster JeJe

December 5th, 2011
11:36 pm

Horford and Hinrich for Dwight

Grandmaster JeJe

December 5th, 2011
11:40 pm

Josh for Al Jeff

DSC

December 5th, 2011
11:41 pm

Horford or Smith (one, not both), Marvin, Hinrich, and Teague for CP3, Jack, Ariza, and Okafor.

Hawks lineup:
CP/ Jack
JJohnson/ Wilkins
Smith (could be gone)/Ariza
Smith or Horford/ Okafor
Okafor/Zaza

Just a Fan

December 5th, 2011
11:52 pm

Horford and Crawford S&T to Orlando for Dwight
Teague and two 1st rd picks for CP3

Howard
Smith
Who Cares
Johnson
Paul

ZOMG!

Just a Fan

December 5th, 2011
11:57 pm

I will take one season of watching that even if Howard and Paul both left us next year. That’s how badly this city needs one of its teams to reach the top.

Buddy Grizzard

December 6th, 2011
12:05 am

“it makes me feel like kind of a jerk for downplaying the possibility of him coming here” – MC

LOL… most of us are pretty realistic MC. I think trading Horford and filler for CP3 would get it done because it would give them a big man under contract for a reasonable price who couldn’t bolt for 5 years (thus allowing them to avoid the situation they’re in with CP3). But I don’t see the ASG parting with Horford, especially not for an injury-prone player like CP3. So I don’t see the Hawks being the winning bidders.

The Real Mandingo

December 6th, 2011
12:10 am

With a truncated free agency period, training camp and regular season, I think it may take too long for most teams engaged in significant roster changes to work out cohesion and chemistry issues. Losing three to five consecutive games in a 66-game regular season will have a greater adverse effect on an NBA team as opposed to losing three to five consecutive games in an 82-game regular season. Those NBA teams like the Bulls and Celtics that 1.) are high quality contenders, 2.) have a strong head coaching presence, 3.) have established, seasoned veterans and 4.) are looking to acquire one or two players at best to improve their chances at an NBA championship should have the most to gain during this compressed free agency period and regular season. As a result, the Hawks should re-sign Jamal Crawford even if it requires paying the luxury tax and him (Crawford) above current market value. When healthy, the best current lineup for the Hawks is as follows:

K. Hinrich – PG/SG
J. Crawford – SG/PG
J. Johnson – SG/SF
J. Smith – PF/SF
A. Horford – C/PF

The Hawks should aggressively look to acquire an athletic, rim-protecting big (man) like Tyson Chandler even if it requires some type of three or four team trade and giving up a combination of Josh Smith, Jeff Teague, Marvin Williams and/or Zaza Pachulia.

Jeff.Joe.Josh.Leuer.Bogut

December 6th, 2011
12:41 am

A popular Hornets blog ranked the assets and said Horford (8th) would be a hard asset to complement.

OFFER to TRADE him so we can have a frontline of Smith, Bogut,Leuer NOW, The more exposure we get the more scouting reports are catching up.

Jeff.Joe.Josh.Leuer.Bogut

December 6th, 2011
12:42 am

8. Al Horford (Atlanta)

A 6’10 banger on a $12 million per year contract that is too big to play power forward, but too small to match up with quality centers night in and night out in the NBA. Tell me, where have we heard this before? Al Horford is Emeka Okafor with a more well-rounded offensive game. Any team that has Horford as a building block will have a quality player and a quality person, but they will have to find the perfect compliment to him in the front court in order to be a serious contender.

Hey now...

December 6th, 2011
12:49 am

CP3’s injuries are overstated. If it costs Josh and Jeff, you do it and pay the luxury tax to sign someone like Chandler for around 10M.

Paul
Johnson
Who Cares
Horford
Chandler

Rev in Tampa

December 6th, 2011
1:27 am

In MC’s 10:31 post he noted that the Hawks were telling Jamaal that they were interested in signing him depending on the CBA. This makes no sense to me. Call me a vava groupie, but I don’t think Jamaal’s offensive talent is able to overcome his defensive liabilities. And when you add in the salary obligations he will command as a free agent the Hawks would not be able to make any other quality additions to the team. I don’t want the Hawks putting all their eggs in Jamaal’s basket

vava74

December 6th, 2011
2:46 am

Grandad,

To compare JJ’s occasional defensive lapses with Jamal’s overall inability and disinterest to play anything resembling D reveals that your anti-JJ bias is far superior to my anti-Jamal and anti-Horford bias (which is overstated around here).

About Horford’s defensive discipline: I, contrary to others, never said that he was not a sound defensive player: he is.

However, he is now an accountant playing D: all the right formal procedures, but NO HUSTLE and NO PHYSICALITY.

OB,

“…5 years later, that is what JJ knows. And unfortunately, when he tries to play another style, either the team struggles, or JJ struggles.”

Actually, I think that everyone around here was a bit distracted to start last year’s season:

JJ was the player that embraced more enthusiastically the motion offense. BY FAR.

JJ last year was making back-door cuts, going baseline for easy dunks and was by far the player which showed more willingness to move without the rock.

If your memory was not so selective, you would remember that most of the initial games of the season (first couple of months) started with pretty decent ball and player movement (with LD using a long rotation to keep players fresh).

Generally, it was when Jamal got in that the motion offense was completely derailed and by the end of the second quarter, after Jamal’s 10 minute tenure, it was GONE.

That, my friends, was a fact.

Was the motion offense and the long rotations effective? Well, to some extent, I think they were. Back then we were getting offense from virtually everyone. Our struggles were mainly in the defensive end.

Remember the lopsided loss at home against MIL? Remember that we were 15 (or so) points up at the 9 minute mark of the 1st quarter and then we went up losing the game by 25 (or more – I honestly don’t remember that end).

We were demolishing MIL with Collins doing an excellent job on Bogut and on offense we were sharing the rock and getting easy baskets every single possession, out of the motion offense.

Enter Jamal, and the game got derailed.

On the ensuing months, Jamal got more and more minutes, in particular at the point and the motion offense became a distant memory.

We won game in spite of LD and as the season progressed, the little things that LD did right (motion, extended rotation) disappeared and we reached the end of the season running on 4 flat tyres and with our offense looking like sh*t.

Small patches of hope happened when Teague had a couple of nice opportunities, but those opportunities were truncated by Jamal’s excessive minutes, in particular at the point.

Motion offense and Jamal is an impossible combo.

Motion offense and JJ IS NOT.

Buddy Grizzard

December 6th, 2011
5:01 am

“I like the idea of a sign-and-trade with Jamal Crawford. No idea what team/teams I would like the Hawks to deal with.” – Section 303

MC lists Indiana, New Jersey, Chicago and Orlando as teams that have inquired about a sign-and-trade with the Hawks. For each of these teams, you have to ask yourself, who would you take back that would be worth going over the Luxury Tax threshold? The only options that have any appeal to me would be Brandon Bass from ORL or Jeff Foster in a sign and trade from IND. Otherwise I doubt these teams are going to part with anybody who would help the Hawks.

“I’m so tired of people hating on ZaZa and acting like he is useless and his contract sucks.” – Grandmaster JeJe

Agree… zachdahater obviously doesn’t watch the games. JC1 was nonexistent vs. CHI in the losses but we might have taken that series if Zaza had been on the floor more. Best value contract the Hawks have. Possibly the best backup center in the NBA (now that Gortat is a starter).

“For everything Zaza provides, you should be able to find for half that price.” – Ra’mon

Please tell me who these high value/low cost players are Ra’mon. I will march down to Phillips and hand the list to Sund myself.

“S&T Jamal for Redick if anyone on ORL” – Grandmaster JeJe

Do you think ORL would have traded the best backup center in the NBA (Gortat) to Phoenix for a half-season J-Rich rental if they thought Reddick was the answer?

“Josh for Al Jeff” – Grandmaster JeJe

Oh Lord, please no.

Buddy Grizzard

December 6th, 2011
5:04 am

“Jamal IS NOT worth 7 million, much less a 5 year deal.” – vava74

vava you need to read the article Najeh linked by Bill Simmons where he states:

“Despite the lockout, despite all the bad blood that was shed … there’s a good chance we’re about to break the record for “most dumb contracts handed out in one month.”"

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7307298/the-first-day-nba-christmas

“Number one-we must admit that we are terrible at evaluating players and draft picks-spend the money on finding someone with this ability” – steve brown

/co-sign. Hawks talent evaluation is historically horrible. The results are posted under the history tab on nbadraft.net for all to see. Please hire Dennis Lindsey asap.

“No way the Hawks spent into the luxary tax.” Section 303

What you have to understand is that the biggest deterrent to paying the tax has been blunted in the new CBA. Under the old CBA if you go over the tax by one dollar you immediately lose over $2m that is paid to non tax-paying teams. Under the new CBA there is a tax “cliff” where tax payers will still get some of that money, which offsets their luxury tax bill. The Hawks are low revenue and needed that $2+ mil. Now I could see them crossing the tax threshold for a chance to go further in the playoffs and make up the revenue in extra home playoff games.

Buddy Grizzard

December 6th, 2011
5:08 am

“I’m not even sure that we can afford Reggie Evans.” – A.J.

This hurts my inner child. We’ve already seen the market for 6-6 Chuck Hayes is off the meat rack. Reggie Evans gonna get paid too.

“I wonder why the Hawks haven’t considered pursuing Dalembert from the Kings! He’s a free agent, and should be able to be signed for about $5 million a season.” – Ra’mon

If Dalembert is willing to take the MLE, he will sign with Miami. But he is not. His asking price, as with Jamal, is over $5m per season. Simmons projects Dalembert signing for four years, $40 million.

“You lose Josh Smith… the highlight factory might as well be a mattress factory.” – bigdave

LOL well said!

PS, I LOVE Bret Lagree’s season review of Josh Powell where he says, “even on a team that featured Mike Bibby and Jamal Crawford, Powell’s embarrassing defense stood out.”

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/

This is the guy who Las Vegas Larry sent in as the first big man off the bench in Game 2 at Orlando, when the Hawks had the opportunity to go up 2-0 on the road and practically put that series away. That’s the game where Vegas sat Al Horford, who was NOT in foul trouble, the entire second quarter as Orlando outscored the Hawks 32-20 and achieved their margin of victory.

vava74

December 6th, 2011
5:36 am

Buddy,

I read the Simmons’ article: I generally enjoy reading him since he always has funny angles with some substance about everything.

The fact that Jamal will get a monster deal does not overrule the fact that he does NOT deserve it.

Neither 7 million, nor 5 years.

Due to this, IF Chicago really wanted a SNT in which we would sign Jamal for 5 years at 7 or 8 million, I would happily take Brewer’s shorter and less expensive contract even taking in consideration that he would not be a huge upgrade (or none at all) in relation to Wilkins.

The bonus would be that we would saddle CHI with an horrendous contract and with a player which would CERTAINLY under perform the contract.

CHI would be much better off with either Richardson or Carter.

vava74

December 6th, 2011
5:40 am

About Powell:

He started the season with a bum knee and that hurt his D: he is undersized and he simply could not jump and was limping significantly throughout the first couple of months in the season.

Also, his work ethic seems to have slipped dramatically with his home coming, but to be fair to the guy, he gave us a few decent minutes in the ORL series.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 6th, 2011
7:28 am

A Man’s Worth!

“Sports’ Adrian Wojnarowski reported that Lakers owner Jerry Buss has said privately that Kobe is worth $70 million a year. That’s $45 million more than
Bryant’s …
msn.foxsports.com/…/Kobe-Bryant-NBA-superstars-worth-more-than-market -value-to-David-Stern-league-owners-100611 – 187k”
______________

FTPB is wasn’t sure of the amount Jerry said Kobe was worth to the franchise. Here is says 70M.

Here’s my point: I was talking with O’Brien re: Joe getting 24.9M is year six at age 35. O’B … Joe would have to become a different player to justify that number @ age 35.

@Rufus1 FTPB: you outlined Jeff Teague’s value to the Hawks. I totally agree with your comments. If I had one knock on Jamal, besides his defense, it would be (and you can add Josh too) that, they don’t give the ball to Teague to run the break or probe the defense. They literally leave Jeff hanging out to dry. I put the onus on the coach to discipline his team and define roles.

But yes, if Teague is who we think he is, do we really need CP3 except to draw a Dwight type player to come on board? Can we commandeer Dwight without another super star on the roster? IDK … Should we even have the audacity to believe the Hawks can be a part of such a conversation?

O'Brien

December 6th, 2011
7:30 am

Thanks for the link MC.

So, to summarize, here are the options and the financial implications for each player.
Howard:

_ Plays the entire season in Orlando, opts out and ends up elsewhere (either by signing as a free agent or through a sign-and-trade): $80.5 million for 4 years.
_ Gets traded in February, opts out, then re-signs with the team that acquired him: $110.8 million for 5 years.

Paul:
_ Plays the entire season in New Orleans, opts out and ends up elsewhere (either by signing as a free agent or through a sign-and-trade): $75.8 million for 4 years.
_ Gets traded in February, opts out, then re-signs with the team that acquired him: $100.2 million for 5 years.

Do the math, add up the differences, and there are 55 million reasons why both those guys might want to be wearing different uniforms by the time March 1 rolls around..

If I’m the Hawks, I would consider trading for Dwight Howard even if I am not assured of him signing an extension. I like CP3 too, but I am concerned about his injury risk.

O'Brien

December 6th, 2011
7:31 am

303,

Weak free agent class. Crawford is one the better players available..

However, don’t forget Jason Richardson and Vince Carter are free agent SG too.

Buddy Grizzard

December 6th, 2011
7:46 am

“If I’m the Hawks, I would consider trading for Dwight Howard even if I am not assured of him signing an extension.” – O’Brien

You trade to inherit the Bird rights. After that, they can walk away after the season but the amount of money it would cost them is no joke. So you put yourself in the position to have the best shot of any team to sign him long term.

O'Brien

December 6th, 2011
7:50 am

Vava,

I’m not saying JJ cannot change his game to fit the motion offense. My main point was Woody is to blame for the ball hog JJ has been at times.

As for Jamal, I hope the Hawks don’t resign him. With Hinrich injured, I can see LD playing Jamal as backup SG and backup PG. And as a team, the Hawks are not balanced.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 6th, 2011
7:59 am

Loco – Motion!

vava your 2:46 AM post re: what happened to the vaunted Pentangle Offense after 21 games last season was nothing short of just BRILLIANT!

Your assessment was worth a copyright symbol. What you said is EXACTLY what happened to the motion offense we saw fizzle after 20 or so episodes.

I will add to that my daily tirades of seeing Al drift farther away from the basket and, became a once BIG now playing small. My ire was so intense, for the first time I hated Al’s game.

“The farther you play away from the basket – The smaller you appear.” -drmaryb-

But yeah vava74 very nice post re: Loco-Motion.

Trojan

December 6th, 2011
8:10 am

Howard is more of an upgrade to our team than Paul. Teague can give you a more healthy future than Paul and Howard can destroy any big man in the game.

That being said, the Hawks can do nothing with their current salary situation. They are cursed to be average until they blow it up again in three years.

Grandad

December 6th, 2011
8:10 am

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