Atlanta Hawks: Hot market for Jamal Crawford

Teams can begin talking to their own players and free agents today. It’s quickly become clear that, as expected, Jamal will find a robust market for his services.

Indiana, New Jersey, Chicago, Orlando, Portland, New Orleans and Phoenix have expressed interest in him. Among those teams, at least Indiana, New Jersey, Chicago and Orlando have inquired about a sign-and-trade with the Hawks.

That suggests that the market for Jamal starts at more than the $5 million mid-level exception on a five-year contract. Indiana and New Jersey could just sign Jamal to a four-year deal using cap space, so if they are looking at a sign-and-trade it can only mean they want to offer him a five-year deal using his Bird rights. Chicago and Orlando are over the $58 million cap and so without a sign-and-trade are limited to offering Jamal the mid-level–in Orlando’s case, the new $3 million “mini” mid-level since the Magic are taxpayers.

The Hawks still want Jamal and he’s still open to a return but the chances of that happening depend on if the Hawks decide to pay the luxury tax. Considering the market, re-signing him would require paying the tax. A sign-and-trade with Chicago or Orlando would mean paying it too since, according to cap expert Larry Coon:

“Taxpaying teams can acquire no more than 125 percent plus $100,000 of the salaries they trade away (same as 2005 CBA). Non-taxpaying teams (based on their post-trade salary level) can acquire up to the lesser of 150 percent plus $100,000, or 100 percent plus $5 million of the salaries they trade away.”

That means if, for example, Chicago acquires Jamal in a sign-and-trade deal contract that starts at, say, $7 million (a figure that wouldn’t push them past the tax threshold) they would have to send Atlanta at least $4.7 million in salary. Orlando, as a taxpaying team, would have to send Atlanta at least $5.7 million in salary in the same scenario (unless they use amnesty to shed salary first).

This is why it makes no sense to speculate on the Hawks doing a sign-and-trade with Jamal involving teams over the camp unless you also know the Hawks are willing to pay the tax. It’s still not clear if they are going to make that leap.

Since Indiana and New Jersey are under the cap, they don’t have to send out any salary in a trade and so could offer the Hawks a draft pick to facilitate a five-year contract for Jamal. Think back to the Josh Childress trade.

Atlanta’s decision on Jamal is complicated by Kirk’s surgery. Finding one reserve shooting guard on the cheap in free agency is one thing; finding two rotation-quality guards is much tougher.

Etc.

  • Free agent Jerry Stackhouse and Hawks guard Pape Sy are at Philips for workouts today. I’ll file a report from there later.
  • Hawks.com has a video interview with L.D.
  • Rob Mahoney, writing for the New York Times’ Off the Dribble Blog, is the latest to make the case for a full-time role for Teague.

Michael Cunningham, Hawks beat

146 comments Add your comment

mike

December 5th, 2011
11:55 am

How many games has this guy won for us the past two seasons? I can’t even count them.

I say sign him. I know he has defensive shortcomings but this guy’s offense when Joe is having one of those nights is not to be discredited.

vava74

December 5th, 2011
11:59 am

I guess that the new CBA is not actually working if the purpose was not to overpay players.

Jamal IS NOT worth 7 million, much less a 5 year deal. He will be 36 by the end of his contract and his effectiveness is bound to diminish rapidly once his lift and explosiveness decline.

A sign and trade would actually make sense for the Hawks if we managed to stick Jamal at 7 million per for 5 years in one of our main adversaries. :-D let the Bulls have him and get stuck with him!

vava74

December 5th, 2011
12:03 pm

mike,

Jamal won us far less games than he lost us.

He did show up for the ORL series and I tip my hat to him (and to ORL’s complete ineptitude during that series).

BUT, his 4th quarter numbers with us were not good at all.

Jamal is strictly a second quarter player: the majority of the damage he does is against minions, not the main guys.

Don’t give too much importance to the game winner against PHO. That year – which was much better than last year – he shot about .200 in crunch time (last 5 minutes of game play).

Rufus1

December 5th, 2011
12:05 pm

We can do better..

I just think we can do better with our 5-7mil for one players…I would rather have Josh McRoberts and Reggie Williams or Anthony Parker and Kris Humphries or Josh Howard and Carl Landry….I would take any combination of a big and small for my 7mil.

Thx Jamal for all you have done for the Hawks…

zachdahater

December 5th, 2011
12:07 pm

Isn’t Zaza’s contract worth 8 million dollars? Isn’t Marvin WIlliams contract worth 8 million dollars?? Wouldn’t Jamal Crawford take 8 million dollars??? Hmmmm…. I say we fire Zaza or Marvin, and sign Jamal Crawford!!! Preferably Zaza, we can replace him with any old center, it’ll be hard to replace Marvin honestly. I’d say BYE ZAZA SOOOoooo fast to get Jamal Crawford back! If we freaking lose Jamal and don’t bring anyone else in I’ll be REALLY mad!

vava74

December 5th, 2011
12:16 pm

zachdahater,

ummm… have you tried to watch YOUR team in a basketball game when the opposing team has the rock?

Stop watching the other team’s offense: concentrate on your team’s defensive movements.

9 out 10 plays, Jamal is caught with his pants down, either looking the wrong way, or coasting, or simply lost in any soft pick.

I would love to see him in the Bulls. Thibs would loose the few threads of air he still has and blow up a couple of veins in his head.

vava74

December 5th, 2011
12:18 pm

Get me Luc Mbah a Moute and do it pronto…

Rufus1

December 5th, 2011
12:22 pm

Zaza salary 4.75mil this year and 5,248,750 next year…Yes, he is overpaid.

vava74

December 5th, 2011
12:25 pm

Actually, look for the Bulls to consider Vince Carter as a much more likely target than Jamal.

Vince is a loser, but maybe, just maybe, he could find his niche there since he is much better defensively than Jamal. Much better.

Mike

December 5th, 2011
12:26 pm

SNT Crawford, hmmmmm

I was thinking that if we can do that, maybe we use this to start a three-way with NOH, Indiana and Hawks or something else.

NUNNA!!

December 5th, 2011
12:28 pm

I think having Jamaal back will slow the growing process of Jeff Teague..
Teague will always have to give the ball up to Jamaal every time he comes up the court.
I like Jamaal but i think we need to beef up our defense and come up with some runners who can keep up with Teague with a fast pace offense..

zachdahater

December 5th, 2011
12:28 pm

@vava74

If we give up Jamal Crawford, BRING IN ANDRE IGUODALA OR SOMETHING! Damien Wilkins could be Joe Johnson’s backup, but WE NEED SCORING!! I’d rather have offense than defense. I’m willing to let Jamal crawford go, but the Hawks organization most likely won’t bring anyone else in.

BEST CASE SENARIO TO ME, let go Marvin AND Zaza, keep Jamal Crawford, sign Iguodala or some other SF, and sign a cheap backup center. Plus Hinrich is injured, we could really use Jamal……but let’s remember, if that 120 million dollar wasn’t bogging us down, this decision wouldn’t be so tough!!

Astro Joe

December 5th, 2011
12:32 pm

Seems like we could sign Stackhouse and Anthony Carter (two Atlanta residents) for around $2.5M combined (if not less) and have adequate replacements for Jamal and Hinrich. After watching Flip Murray have a very, very good year off the bench (when he was about to head to Europe to resume his pro career), I completely disagree that finding a volume shooter/potent bench scorer requires more than a minimum salary. And the same can be said for 3rd string PGs.

vava74

December 5th, 2011
12:39 pm

zachdahater,

Teague averaged 16ppg against CHI.

That seems enough scoring for me.

If we had no re-signed JJ, we would be discussing if our lottery pick was any good, not what we need to do in order to contend.

kjfds

December 5th, 2011
12:39 pm

i guess the hawks chef is glad he has something to do now that the lockout is over.

vava74

December 5th, 2011
12:40 pm

AJ,

Stackhouse is probably a bit too old now to contribute anything… I don’t think we need another Joe Smith type of signing.

Carter was still excellent last year (in spite of age), so I am all for it.

Gwinnett Fred

December 5th, 2011
12:42 pm

Forget Crawford. He’s already stated, more or less, he’s going where the most money is. With so many teams interesed, he would be far out of the Hawks budget, and a 5 year deal running parallel with Johnson’s contract would equal a disaster as we would not be able to sign any other talent for another 5 years while the team gets old.

The ramifications of JJ’s albatross contract is just now rearing it’s ugly head and it won’t be getting any better any time soon.

steve brown

December 5th, 2011
12:49 pm

Let’s just start over. Number one-we must admit that we are terrible at evaluating players and draft picks-spend the money on finding someone with this ability and we can have a future-or we can continue throwing darts.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 5th, 2011
12:55 pm

Spending Spree!

“The idea that ASG is cheap isn’t correct….They may have spent poorly and drafted the wrong players but they are not cheap.”-Rufus1-
_______________

Rufus1 may be on track here: I just heard on 790 The Zone that ASKG just plucked down 2M to open a new full service restaurant inside Phillips Arena named:

RED

I wonder if it will be smartly positioned with a view of the basketball court and the Jumbo-Tron? You know, to enhance the game day experience.

If they’re spending that type of money, perhaps this will translate to the roster and coaching staff – if they are feeling so generous. Just a thought.

Rev in Tampa

December 5th, 2011
12:56 pm

As far as I am concerned the season starts… today. I have been waiting for the free agency and trade speculations to begin in earnest.

Jamaal is far worth more as a trade asset than a back-up sg.

Mike

December 5th, 2011
1:00 pm

@Steve Brown

I totally agreed and I think that the core has to be destoryed, there is no way that we will get passed the second round with the talent that they have right now. I say bring a superstar here and rebuiled this lineup.

O'Brien

December 5th, 2011
1:03 pm

The new CBA was not made to reduce the # of bad signings. It was made so that teams willing to spend would not be the only ones who can afford to make bad signings :smile:

As for Jamal, if I am a team under the cap, I would offer him 4 years, $24 mil.

O'Brien

December 5th, 2011
1:04 pm

Increasing the minutes for Jeff Teague is one of the few low-cost, high-reward propositions the Hawks have for boosting their performance..

This is exactly what many of us were saying last year.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 5th, 2011
1:08 pm

SNT!

“I was thinking that if we can do that, maybe we use this to start a three-way with NOH, Indiana and Hawks or something else.”-Mike-
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Ugggh … Let’s not forget that Jamal is an UFA and, the Hawks can NOT just send him somewhere he does NOT want to go. Here’s what will happen, Jamal will choose his destination and then Hawks will have to get in line and get on board. The Hawks do NOT control Jamal’s destiny, unless he signs an extension with the Hawks and agree to forfeit a no trade clause.

Think about it, why would he agree to go to a non-contender after tasting the play offs for the first time in 10 years coupled with his age.

EmirS.

December 5th, 2011
1:17 pm

Right,

So if Jamal is looking to get with a STRONG contender…who does that leave? Out of all the one’s interested in him, only the Bulls fit the criteria. With Portland a long shot second. The bulls are sure to make some moves as well to get into the Finals. And seeing as though it’s pretty much Rose who carries the offensive load. Having Jamal would ease that, especially coming off the bench. And I don’t think Thib, like Drew, will misuse the abilities and disabilities of Jamal. Especially on vital situations.

With that being said, I think we should try and pry away some players from the Bulls.

What do you guys think of Noah in a Hawks uniform?

Mike

December 5th, 2011
1:18 pm

Well that means Good Bye Jamal, Thanks for all the memories

Sherewshevsky

December 5th, 2011
1:19 pm

If you were the GM on those teams mentioned, who could you interest the Hawks in so you could get Crawford? Think seriously about this.

Astro Joe

December 5th, 2011
1:25 pm

Vava, maybe (about Stackhouse). But Stackhouse’s ability to post up probably would not decline with his age (and he still has those 5 foot-long arms). He wouldn’t be my first cheap choice but I would definitely put him on the list of guys to evaluate.

Rev in Tampa

December 5th, 2011
1:25 pm

When I saw the title to Hoopinion latest season preview I yawned. The preview was dedicated to Josh Powell, but I read it anyway. It is quite an informative article and argues very persuasively that he should no longer be a Hawk. I recommend the article. It is short and spot-on.

http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2011/12/2010-11-season-review-josh-powell.html

Grandmaster JeJe

December 5th, 2011
1:29 pm

FIRE SUND

WHY DO WE HAVE TO WAIT 3 MORE WEEKS FOR THE SEASON?
DAMNIT

Astro Joe

December 5th, 2011
1:37 pm

Rev, the Hoopinion writer would probably only keep 3 Hawks… Josh, Teague & Horford. And I hope that you are right that the ASG will pay the luxury tax now that they have disposed of the Thrashers. I personally doubt it but I’d love to be wrong.

Sautee

December 5th, 2011
1:44 pm

LOL JeJe, don’t you know that Christmas is ALWAYS slow in coming?

Astro Joe

December 5th, 2011
1:47 pm

MC, I apologize if this is mentioned in the LD video, but do you know if anyone from the Hawks coaching staff spent time watching the Hawks players over in Europe? I’d be interested in knowing if they “scouted” Benson, Rolle or Gladyr (as an example).

Mike

December 5th, 2011
1:49 pm

I dont trusted ASG period, they probably be content to just get some cheap help and pray that the Hawks gets to the second round again but it is going to get harder with Knicks, Bucks, Magic improving.

Just a Fan

December 5th, 2011
1:50 pm

S&T Crawford for a (reserve) center and wing. They don’t need scoring, what they need is depth and defense. Josh, Al, Joe and Teague can each get 20+ points on a given night, but that also means heavy minutes, so they need to add depth by sending away Crawford. 5 years is WAY too much for a guy his age who is that inefficient. Get 2-3 solid role players and you should be in good shape by the time Hinrich returns.

Astro Joe

December 5th, 2011
1:53 pm

Monday was the first day the Wolves could talk to free agents, and they planned on doing so with 30-year-old shooting guard Jamal Crawford. A strong case can be made that a 3-point threat who can also handle the ball is the Wolves’ biggest need. Crawford, while limited defensively, can do a lot offensively. His agent, Andy Miller, when asked if the Wolves were a serious contender for his client, said, “Yes.” He added that Crawford “believes they are a young, up-and-coming team with good pieces and a great coach.” ESPN.com

Said differently, Jamal is going to play for the highest bidder, even if he has to buy a new winter coat and go to Minny.

Ra'mon

December 5th, 2011
1:55 pm

While Jamal may have won some games for the Hawks. But could you not say that he lost MORE games than he won? For every game Jamal scored 20 points, he gave ups 18-24 points to the guys he was guarding. And on the nights that he was not on, but still getting playing time (ahem—bad coaching decision), he would score 7 points, but still give up 18-24 points! Also let us not forget how many turnovers he would have game to game.

Jamal is great for a team who isn’t strapped for cash, or just need scoring. But for a team that needs chemistry and defense off of the bench, he’s a liability. People say Jamal won games here. But before Jamal came, the Hawks were a 2nd round play off team. When he left, the Hawks were a 2nd round play off team. What is the difference?

Jamal’s high price, has more to do with a former Hawk, Jason Terry, and JT’s performance in the Finals, than it does Jamal.

Grandad

December 5th, 2011
1:56 pm

vava

You speak from both sides of your mouth.

you talk of Jamal taking plays off, etc;
yet Joe does the same.
Jamal, is not as bad a defender as he’s made out to be.
Joe is not the great defender he’s made out to be.
Somewhere in the middle the twain shall meet. *[malapropos]

Now, all of a sudden your watching off the ball defense.

I don’t believe it.
I challenge you – because Al is a terrific help defender.
No, he doesn’t block shots from the weak side.
But, he covers for teammates very well.
He hedges, covers help II, helps and recovers,
rebounds from thr help position and …
is a very good defensive rebouder in general.

If you really watched the entire game you would know these things;
about your boy Al … but nooooooooooooooooo !

So stick to what you do best … 1st rate blogger;
Al Horford … antagonist !

Just a Fan

December 5th, 2011
1:58 pm

Best options for a S&T would be Portland and Chicago. I believe those are the two teams you will get the most value in return.

Grandad

December 5th, 2011
2:16 pm

If anyone thinks we are just as well off w/o Jamal
as we are with him you are nuts.
Basketball @ any level is dependent on talent;
said talent must be harnassed, and provided with a purpose,
yet, -still- talent is essential.
Jamal will never be DPOY.
He -will- help ” a team ” win games.
He helped the ” Hawks ” win games – no doubt.
Jamal is a ” good teammate ” also.
He proved that while he was here.

Now;
with permission from Najeh … last eve he mentioned Asik,
as a player to balance the trade [ $ ] with Chi.

If we could spirit [no pun] Asik away from ‘da Bulls
in this S & T, then I do it before they change their mind & call it a day.

BoJo Ellis

December 5th, 2011
2:24 pm

Let him go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Section 303

December 5th, 2011
2:32 pm

First off, I think the Hawks should let Jamal go. I like the guy a lot. He is fun to watch play. But, I just do not think he is worth the jack it would take to keep him around.

However, reading about the Hawks possibly either re-signing Jamal or pursuing a sign-and-trade got me thinking about last year. Remember, the Hawks claimed they would be willing to go over the tax to improve the team. They were almost bragging. Did that happen? No. So, I see no reason to believe that this season will be any different. No way the Hawks spent into the luxary tax.

steve brown

December 5th, 2011
2:40 pm

Offer Charles Barkley the Presidency of this team. He likes the ATL, he has an opinion and he will at least make things interesting.

northcyde

December 5th, 2011
2:44 pm

Lol . . . Leave it to Grandad to drag Joe Johnson into a free agency discussion about Jamal Crawford.

O'Brien

December 5th, 2011
2:55 pm

If I’m Jamal, I would seriously consider Indy if the money is close.

Indy is under the cap, they were the 8th seed last year, so there is still a possibility of getting to the playoffs (Timberwolves will not sniff the playoffs any tme soon, and might lose Love eventually). Also, Pacers are young with Hibbert, Psycho-T, Granger, Hansboro, and Collison.

Marcus

December 5th, 2011
2:58 pm

vava74,
feelin’ your 12:18 pm post ….. Luc, come home to the ATL.

cp

December 5th, 2011
2:59 pm

@Rufus1. Reggie Williams is a guy I wanted the Hawks to go after a few seasons ago. He might be out of the Hawks price range but if they could get him then im all for it

I like Jamal but the reality is dude wants to get paid. The front office can talk about paying the luxury tax if it improves this team but I want to see them do it not talk about it. Anybody know where Flip played last season? I’m sure he would come back on the cheap to be that bench scorer. That young center Grandad always talks about should be available for cheap too.

Grandmaster JeJe

December 5th, 2011
3:10 pm

END LOCKOUT 9 DAYS AGO.

START TALKING TO PLAYERS LAST MONDAY.

EMPLOYEES WORK QUICKLY TO GET READY.

TRAINING CAMP START TODAY. NBA SEASON BY 15TH.

OH WAIT THAT MAKES TOO MUCH SENSE

FIRE SUND

Nique

December 5th, 2011
3:11 pm

Is there any consideration of sending Jamal, Marvin, & our # 1 next year (as well as Josh if needed) to Orlando for Howard, or sending Teague, Jamal, & Marvin to N.O. for CP3? I’d be willing to make either of those deals!

Nique

December 5th, 2011
3:14 pm

I’d need to get a little something back alongside of Howard for the Orlando deal, say J.J. or Gilbert (at a reduced contract) but i think you get my point