Atlanta Hawks: Afternoon notes
Notes contemplated while waiting in an empty gym . . .
- Stopped by Philips Arena today. No players showed up during the couple hours I was there and none were expected. Again, I wouldn’t read too much into it, especially since guys have access to the facilities at any time and don’t need to work out at Philips.
- It turned out Joe and Al were at Philips yesterday to get their physicals but didn’t take the court.
- As you hear the Hawks connected to one free agent or another keep in mind that, like a lot of teams, they can’t be sure of their plans until the CBA is ratified and they know the rules. So take all these rumors with a grain of salt.
- Also, I don’t think the Hawks have decided on their financial plan yet. Hawks officials aren’t commenting because they still are concerned about league fines but I’m hearing they haven’t yet ruled out spending into the luxury tax.
- I wouldn’t look for the Hawks to use the amnesty this year. In fact, I don’t think many teams will use it now unless they are looking for major relief from the luxury tax or can gain cap room (and some teams in the latter category can’t use it because they would drop below the new minimum team salary). The Hawks don’t qualify on either count. They can save it for J.J.’s deal down the line.
- It’s true Josh still is unhappy, and the reasons go beyond internal and external criticism of his play and extend into concerns about team chemistry. It seems as if he simply could use a change of scenery. That doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
- From what I can tell, none of Atlanta’s players have been declared untouchable for trades. So, at the very least, this would represent a shift in thinking by the Hawks about their proverbial “core” group. But if they do decide to pay the tax to add some significant pieces then it would seem to decrease the urgency of seeking a trade.
- The Hawks will play two exhibition games against the Bobcats, Dec. 19 at Charlotte and Dec. 22 at Philips. The Hawks will hold a free public scrimmage Dec. 16 at 7 :30 p.m. at Philips. If you see me there, come down and holla.
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Sautee
December 3rd, 2011
8:47 pm
Big Dog,
Nothing in the link you gave about Al “whining”. I do not EVER remember him “whining” about playing PF, but if you can show me, I’ll be glad to say I was wrong.
However, if you cannot produce such a story, be prepared to be chased around the blog, as I will keep asking, and asking, and….
My view is that saying that Al is “whining about playing the power forward” is exaggeration and an editorial statement by you. All I ask is that you admit it, and stop with the accusations unless you indicate that it’s your opinion.
Otherwise, my guess is you’ll have a hard time finding any “whining”. Except in your own mind.
You are fully entitled to your opinion. Just tell us that’s it’s YOU who thinks Al is whining, and it’s NOT in some newspaper story, as you portray.
And explain to me how an NBA player “lets others speak for him, including writers.” Al seems to have no trouble speaking for himself.
richbrave
December 3rd, 2011
8:47 pm
Big ray, drmaryb, doc:
Looks like the ad men will have their season anyway. Why not have a 10 game gig and go right to the play-offs man.
brigadierjerry
December 3rd, 2011
8:55 pm
Does anyone see the Hawks going after any of these free agents:
Shannon Brown
- Michael Redd
- JJ Barea
- Anthony Parker
- Grant Hill (
- Caron Butler
- Bostjan Nachbar
- Kurt Thomas
- Tony Battie
- Aaron Gray
- Jeff Foster (
- Kwame Brown (
- Shawne Williams
- Jared Jeffries
I would also wouldnt mind the Hawks using their MLE on a guy like Reggie Evans. He is a good defender that does the dirty work and is a tough defender.
Big Ray
December 3rd, 2011
8:57 pm
I see “dawgs” of a fur flock together. Making up arguments that nobody has come up with. I still can’t understand why some people insist there is a “pro Horford” sentiment around here.
If anything, these arse clowns should take it up with the NBA, journalists that cover the NBA, and coaches and players in the NBA. They’re the ones in print saying that Horford is a star. Hell, it was even in the trade scenario article that BIG DOG posted, even though he’ll never admit it was there. Here it is in his 5 p.m. post:
A Marvin Williams-and-Al Horford-for-Dwight Howard trade makes plenty of sense for both sides (only for Orlando if Howard demands to be traded). The Magic may lose their second incredibly dominant center in 20 years, but at least in return they get a two-time All-Star who is truly on the fringe of becoming something more.
Oh nooooo! Somebody else actually said Horford was good! Ahhhhhh! And it wasn’t a blogger….
Big Ray
December 3rd, 2011
8:59 pm
brigadierjerry ,
Give me Reggie Evans and Jeff Foster. Both tough guys who can give you defense and get you rebounds.
And Anthony Parker – I’d take him over Marvin. He knows when to take a shot, and he’ll defend. A great backup to Joe Johnson or in a pinch, a starter at SF. The only bad part is he makes our lineup smaller, assuming you run with Al at the 5 and Josh at the 4.
But Marvin plays so small most of the time, I doubt we’d notice the difference.
Big Ray
December 3rd, 2011
9:01 pm
Problem is, the Hawks tend to go after guys who fit the vet minimum scale, not free agents that can make a difference on any given night.
Collins was the best of that bench in a limited role. Joe Smith and Etan Thomas never got to play, and Josh Powell did not do well in our nonchalant atmosphere…
Slimjr
December 3rd, 2011
9:05 pm
“It’s ludicrous to think that Al would be a beast at the PF slot. Only a complete fool like LD would state that. He is not quick, strong or crafty enough.”
Hey Larry, did you know “CRACK IS WACK”?????????????????
Put down the pipe Sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All NBA Alisha Keys would be a beast @ the #4? Really?…I’d laugh if he was joking but he wasn’t…….Will it be 45 more years ta go before we sniff an ECF? Shoot….
Melvin
December 3rd, 2011
9:20 pm
*Scratching my head *
If Josh (one team captain) says there’s chemistry issues and workout with Horford (another team captain) during the summer. Who’s the guy that competing for playing time at his position. Then what is the chemistry issue(s) could he be complaining about?
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 3rd, 2011
9:29 pm
Sautee – Press is different from the peanut gallery/comments section. They are saying the press has a pro-Horford slant.
You can’t attack Horford’s “manliness”. He upped his scoring because he can pick and pop.
He’s never been able to drive and finish around or above the rim, he frequently gets injured on trying to do so.
No in between game. At face value you think pick and pop makes him a genius but he’s missing everything else on offense.
He wants to play PF because he gets demolished on defense. Originally I think even he thought he would be a better scorer but he has no faceup moves to deal with forwards. His signature faceup move is to use his speed hit them with the shoulder and a non-effective hook shot.
Slimjr
December 3rd, 2011
9:45 pm
@brigadierjerry whatsup baller? Whats kicking? Did ya run into Reggie Bush and Kim K by any chance? HeHeHe….What a booty on that human(Kim!)
Hey man if the Knicks get CP3, LOOK OUT!
Hey Marvina, think yall have a shot to contend for a ECF this season? CRICKETS………Dayum!
Geux Knicks! lol
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 3rd, 2011
9:46 pm
Some of the fans who continue to make these trade suggestions don’t seem to realize that it takes more than their wishful and delusional thinking to make these trades take place. It takes the agreement of both teams, and in some cases the player, or players involved.
Agreed
THIS IS NOT A FANTASY FOOTBALL BLOG, SO STOP WITH ALL THESE FANTASY TRADE SUGGESTIONS, PLEASE! Just imagine, if you will, someone consistently criticizing AHorford for alledgedly having numerous shortcomings and liabilities. Then imagine that same individual foolishly expecting another team to accept Horford, along with all of his alledged shortcomings and liabilities, in trade for the NBA’s most dominant player.
You need elite rim protectors to get the ball and elite shot creators to score the ball. Horford is neither a rim protector or an elite shot creator.
But he is healthy. Bogut carrying the Bucks is an injury waiting to happen. He has said himself that he can’t shoot too much and elbow will forever limit him.
I’ve proposed Horford for Bogut and the Bucks throw in Jon Leuer so we bench Marvin. Maybe we throw in a 2nd rounder for Leuer.
Horford + 2nd rounder }{ Bogut + Leuer
A slimmer Josh Smith can stay on the baseline and roll to the basket all day long. Teague and Joe Johnson create for everyone
7′0 perimeter scorer Jon Leuer
* best of both worlds
– takes & makes perimeter shots that used to go to Smith, Damien and bust Marvin Williams
– shifts Smith to defend SFs
– with 3 “big” men gives us Laker Level rebounding
* can pick and pop for 3s.
* do it all 4th option that helps our defensive lineups
* can post up SFs, and some short PFs
Bogut vs Jason Collins: Bogut’s value has depreciated. For his own health he is a 5th option center. Not a near superstar anymore but it’s asinine to even debate Collins vs Bogut.
Slimjr
December 3rd, 2011
9:53 pm
We need a rim PROTECTOR ALL NBA AL wanna play the 4 in his dreams!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ya hear us?
Come on Man!!!!!!!!
Idiot alert
December 3rd, 2011
10:01 pm
Oh brilliant. So trade a guy who is healthy for one who is not (BOGUT). Who the hell is jon leuer and how many minutes has he played in the nba? If he aint Blake Griffin then i dont want to hear it. Dumbest trade suggestion Ive heard yet.
Idiot alert
December 3rd, 2011
10:03 pm
I thought that boy Josh Smith was the the elite rim protector. How come he never makes the allstar team but wimpy Al Horford does? This team is disfunktional to a falt.
Big Dog
December 3rd, 2011
10:04 pm
Sautee, Ok, that an easy one, ILMAO, sure, Whining is my choice of coloring Horford’s desire to get out of playing center. You are right, I did not hear an audible like that of a puppy thats hurt… I guess that would be a whelp, so let me try again, no, no one heard the sound like a puppy being left alone for the first time, at least I did not. When I say I did not hear Horford whining, its a true statement to the best of my knowledge. That does not mean he did not make a sound that can be described as whine like, but you are right, I was not there when he was making the sounds so I can not in a good conscious say he was whining or whelping about getting out of the middle.
Mr. Ray “Oh nooooo! Somebody else actually said Horford was good! Ahhhhhh!” – That qoute was from Mark Bradley a member of the Press and dignitary group previously noted.
By the way, do get it twisted. Horford is a good player. Not great, Not at Josh’s level but a pretty good player in my view. But he aint a baller, like Josh. He could be if he stopped that whining Chit… Oppps my bad sautee, if he were to own up to the task at hand which is manning the paint.
By the way does any one know if Horford gained any weight , lifted any weights, added any muscle mass or did anything in preparation to make himself a better force in the paint? Does anyone know if hes decide to accept the challenge of playing center and is mentally and physically asserting himself or is he petitioning diplomatically,( is that better Sautee?) to play Josh’s position again?
Big Dog
December 3rd, 2011
10:19 pm
Hail to Hortford! Hail to Hortford! Let’s keep him happy and let him play the PF position. Hot Dog, he can be average at the PF position. No worries to the needs of the team. Let’s make Hortford Happy. Let’s let him shoot and not have to actually bang and help the team. – Co sign.
It was the remarkable Mark Bradley who said lets trade Horford and Marvin Williams for D. Howard and in the same paragraph said that would be a good trade for both. Is he an idiot? or A lunatic?
Sautee
December 3rd, 2011
10:23 pm
Big Dog,
Better? Maybe, but I’d rather that you just be real, and admit it when it’s your own opinion. That’s all. There’s no need for the smarm. But hey, it’s a free country.
And then there is this: “By the way, do get it twisted.” Nothing Freudian about that, I guess.
I hope you saw earlier in the day that I co-signed your statement that Al needed to embrace the center role. He is NOT a PF, IMO, despite his build and height, though he obviously can give some effective minutes there when needed.
‘Night all.
Sautee
December 3rd, 2011
10:31 pm
Big Dog,
One more thing before this older gentleman heads for bed: Who on this blog is pushing for Al to be a 4 and Josh a 3? Names?
I haven’t seen ANYONE to my memory pushing that, but sometimes I skim when I’m catching up.
You seem like you think there’s an entire cabal of co-conspirators doing all they can to keep Josh from the 4. WHO? The folks you have named (except for MC),have all said they like Josh at the 4.
Inquiring minds want to know. But not til I wake up.
Big Dog
December 3rd, 2011
10:33 pm
Yes, I did, thats a great concession, even Mr. Ray took the same position. for whatever reason. I know you are a Horford fan, but thats great that you can acknowledged that.
Cheers
Just Joe
December 3rd, 2011
10:34 pm
Hawks need to gamble on Alexis Ajinca.
Big Dog
December 3rd, 2011
10:35 pm
I m not sure I understand your last question and Im not in the posture to police peoples thoughts. Its a free country and freedom of speech is protected.
Im not touching that one.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 3rd, 2011
10:43 pm
The chemistry issue is that Horford and Josh are both tweeners who cant score. Horford cant take anyone in isolation or off the dribble.
Josh can at least create those shots but Josh is the only one who gets criticized. If Horford or Marvin got the ball they would not even get up a shot.
How is Horford’s problem “mentality”? He gets injured every time he drives. He’s a bad perimeter player outside of:
A) make the right pass to shooter (Josh Smith is not a shooter = chemistry)
B) screen and pop. If 6 seconds are on the clock you cant run pick and pop. Give the ball to Josh (because Marvin/Jason Collins suck) but only yell at Josh if he misses.
How is Josh’s problem “mentality”? He’s a bad perimeter player but who is the alternative? Thats why Smith is put off by the Hawks.
ideally
Teague – PG : PG
???? – PF : SF (a pull up shooter with 3 pt range)
Smith – SF : PF (inside/baseline/painted area)
Johnson – SG : SG
Bogut – C : C (inside/baseline/painted area)
You could sub Horford for Bogut against most C (outside of Dwight). But Hawks need a shooter who can help on the boards.
We’ve done Childress (non-shooter not a big man), We’ve failed with Marvin (non-shooter not a big man), We’ve failed with Jason Collins (a big man, no stamina (non-shooter)
We’ve failed with Damien Wilkins. We’ve failed with Josh Childress both athletic non-shooting non big men.
We’ve failed with FLip Murray, Jamal Crawford, Mo Evans. Streak shooters who do nothing on the boards or defense.
IF YOU WANT TO KEEP SMITH AND HORFORD We need rebounding and shooting in ONE player If you can trade for Ryan Andersen + Dwight or Leuer + Bogut you do it.
There. Shooting and rebounding.
Leuer and Bogut is more likely. If you can’t get them then you;re screwed and should just trade Smith to save embarrassment of running the same small team over amnd over and over and over and over and over….
To Drew’s credit he wants to get bigger and he wants shooting, To his discredit he hasn’t mentioned how hard it is to get in one player and that means 6 players.
You can only play 5. And that means trade.
Just Joe
December 3rd, 2011
10:48 pm
Why not just sign Troy Murphy and keep our current players? Murphy can shoot and rebound.
Ra'mon
December 3rd, 2011
10:53 pm
If the Hawks were willing to take back Hedo or Arenas, I think the Magic would listen to a Horford, Kirk, and 2 draft picks for D12. They would get a young “All Star”, an expiring contract, and 2 first round picks out of the next 4 years. The fact is the main attraction D12 has to playing in Atlanta is playing with his best friend, not playing in his hometown. So D12 would not sign an extension here without Josh being here. If anything, D12 may would sign BACK with Orlando when a free agent. I’m more interested in signing D12 than I am in signing CP3. Why is that you ask? Besides the obvious injury history, who was the last PG to make an all star team AND when an NBA title the same season? However, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, David Robinson, and to a lesser extent Ben Wallace proved, that a dominate all star center can give you a title shot every year the NBA opens the door.
Also, I believe Teague can be BETTER than Rondo when given a front line of Josh and D12 to play with. Teague was a better scorer than Rondo in college, and just as good defensively.
After a deal like that, I would look at possibly bringing in Vince Carter (yes, Vince) to add depth at the 3 position for the mid level exception (at 2 years with a team option for the 3rd season).
O'Brien
December 3rd, 2011
10:57 pm
Big dog,
Last season, LD was asked why he doesn’t design plays for Josh to be in the post. And do you know what his response was? He said even when he designs plays for Josh to be in the post, Josh still ends up on the perimeter. So whose fault is that?
doc
December 3rd, 2011
11:00 pm
brig the first three coaches might have gotten us further. the last two on your list i am not a fan of. i think they may be a bit overated.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 3rd, 2011
11:02 pm
Smith added weight and got knee injuries and diminished stamina and lift. Horford added weight in college and is at his optimal weight.
245 lbs.
RE: idiot alert
Oh brilliant. Who said Bogut was not healthy. They said he gets injured when he tries to carry a team.
He cant carry a team. Neither can Horford. Bogut protects the rim. Bogut plays 30mpg but Jason Collins? 12 minutes.
Smith and Bogut gives the Hawks that identity. Moron.
Who the hell is jon leuer and how many minutes has he played in the nba?
he aint Blake Griffin then i dont want to hear it. Dumbest trade suggestion Ive heard yet.
Idiot alert. Jon Leuer aint Marvin Williams. He can actually punish a defense. Marvin punishes his own team.
You want to turn Horford into Blake Griffin and andrew Bogut. Kool-Aid indeed. What an idiot.
Josh Smith would draw and kick to Leuer for 3. Smith would defer make plays for Bogut.
Marvin/Jason Collins/Horford suck and defer to Smith to create points.
Have fun with Jason Collins and Horford and blame Josh Smith when they both give the ball to him to save their sorry arses. What an idiot.
December 3rd, 2011
10:03 pm
I thought that boy Josh Smith was the the elite rim protector. How come he never makes the allstar team but wimpy Al Horford does? This team is disfunktional to a falt.Bogut is
O'Brien
December 3rd, 2011
11:02 pm
I think Josh does get critcized more than his teamates, and I think there are 2 reasons for that.
1) He is the most talented player on the hawks team. Therefore, expectations are higher. If you have a child who is a B+ student, but you know they are capable of A- work, dont you hold them to higher standards? Don’t you lean on them more?
2) Most of his issues/faults should be easily corrected. Some of what I call issues are a) stop whining so much to the refs, and run back on defense b) Stop taking those terrible jumpers c) know when to give the ball up on the break d)when LD calls for you to be in the post, go in the post.
If Josh would do those things, and play to his strengths, he might have been an all-star already.
O'Brien
December 3rd, 2011
11:04 pm
* I meant capable of A+ work.
And for the record, I think Josh is a better PF than Al.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 3rd, 2011
11:05 pm
Smith added weight and got knee injuries and diminished stamina and lift. Horford added weight in college and He is not very athletic to begin with and is at his optimal weight. 245 lbs.
RE: idiot alert
Oh brilliant. Who said Bogut was not healthy. They said he gets injured when he tries to carry a team. He cant carry a team. Neither can Horford. Bogut protects the rim. Bogut plays 30mpg but Jason Collins? 12 minutes.
Smith and Bogut gives the Hawks that identity of rim protection. Smith + Bogut > Dwight. Moron.
RE: Who the hell is jon leuer and how many minutes has he played in the nba? he aint Blake Griffin then i dont want to hear it.
Idiot alert. Jon Leuer aint Marvin Williams. I’ll tell you that much. He can actually punish a defense. Marvin punishes his own team. Childress cant shoot.
Brian Scalabrine killed Josh a while agoget off your high horse/
You want to turn Horford into Blake Griffin and andrew Bogut. Kool-Aid indeed. What an idiot.
Josh Smith would draw and kick to Leuer for 3. Smith would defer make plays for Bogut.
Marvin/Jason Collins/Horford suck and defer to Smith to create points.
Have fun with Jason Collins and Horford and blame Josh Smith when they both give the ball to him to save their sorry arses. What an idiot.
December 3rd, 2011
10:03 pm
I thought that boy Josh Smith was the the elite rim protector. How come he never makes the allstar team but wimpy Al Horford does? This team is disfunktional to a falt.Bogut is
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 3rd, 2011
11:13 pm
RE: I thought that boy Josh Smith was the the elite rim protector.
He’s 6′8.
RE: How come he never makes the allstar team but wimpy Al Horford does?
Horford is a center in a depleted position. He makes the backup team.
brigadierjerry
December 3rd, 2011
11:23 pm
Slimjr,
Kim K and Reggie no. Kim has a nice backside but I think it if fake and it would explode upon contact. Ill take Alicia Keys the singer.
With CP3 I think NY will be better but will have a lot of depth problems.
Bx still the same the squeege people are back no suprise due to economy.
Let me ask you what type of changes would you like for the Hawks to make as far as player personnell?
redrobin
December 3rd, 2011
11:28 pm
“RE: How come he never makes the allstar team but wimpy Al Horford does?
Horford is a center in a depleted position. He makes the backup team.”
AND EVEN THAT IS A COACH’S CHOICE.
red robin
December 3rd, 2011
11:30 pm
Can someone explain why we havent fired Larry Drew yet?
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
December 3rd, 2011
11:37 pm
O’Brien Let’s be fair:
I think people need to quantify this statement: “And for the record, I think Josh is a better PF than Al.”
Why? List the negatives and positives.
To me it comes down to pick and roll versus pick and pop. Horford is a pick and pop player with no ability to shoot off the dribble.
PICK AND ROLL
In 2009-2010 Josh Smith had mediocre ability to shoot off the dribble. He was quick and a rhythm shooter who was hit or miss off the dribble. In 2010-2011 he was slower and played like a bum version of himself. Those shots were always contested.
is a small ball type (Gerald Wallace) who is quick enough to roll to the hole and attack the rim.
If you play him in a big lineup he is currently the best SF rebounder in the ENTIRE NBA. I still remember him out leaping Lebron last year and leading the break.
You get a PF who can shoot 3s and let Smith and Bogut crash the boards. He becomes an offensive board nightmare mismatch.
But back to the PF thing. POWER forward. Smith is quick and effective getting inside and makes power plays inside.
Amare does this. Blake Griffin does this. Dirk does this.
Horford can screen and then pop but he cant shoot off the dribble or penetrate inside. Amare does this. Blake Griffin does this. Dirk does this.
If I want one Half of Amare I want the one who goes inside first.
Josh is faster and should now be decent to great shooting off the dribble.
A center usually runs the pick and roll at the middle of the floor. Horford was decent to great at the Middle Pick and Roll. With Bibby.
But if you put another center next to Horford the floor shrinks and he becomes horrible. Why? Because he is stuck on the wing/elbow area and he doesnt have that much perimeter skill.
Go watch: “Shaq plays pick and roll”. A power FORWARD has to put the ball on the floor and Horford cant do that.
Smith would be best next to a young player like Ryan Andersen or a Jon Leuer or he could always sign with Dallas Nowitzki in two years.
Or he could sacrifice defensively and play with a smaller but great perimeter player. A Paul Pierce type player.
Dwight Howard trades are funny because Smith and Dwight would be so redundant on offense. And it would come down to having [b]ELITE[/b] shooters.
rebounders and shooters
6′11.5 Jon Leuer (via trade)
6′10 Ryan Andersen (unrealistic)
smaller but elite shooters
Kevin Durant
Paul Pierce
Slimjr
December 4th, 2011
12:28 am
Find a deal and jettison ALL Al All whatever for a real pivot man/RIM PROTECTOR……Please????
cp
December 4th, 2011
12:34 am
@Ra’mon.. I was saying earlier I wouldn’t mind bringing in Vince Carter. I would start him at the 2 though and move Joe to the 3. I would love to make a trade for D12 but I don’t know if this front office is bold enough to even attempt a move like that.
Here we go again
December 4th, 2011
12:39 am
Big Dog the genius:
“By the way, do get it twisted. Horford is a good player. Not great, Not at Josh’s level but a pretty good player in my view. But he aint a baller, like Josh.”
Which perfectly explains why the 30 or so head coaches in the NBA keep voting Al Horford to the all star team and never vote Josh Smith in. Another would be genius at work, I see. The truth is that Horford is darn good and Smith can be great if he could get out of his own way.
It would make more sense just to say that you hate Al Horford and are in love with Josh Smith. All the other arguments are plainly nonsensical in nature, and that is being generous.
Here we go again
December 4th, 2011
12:40 am
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut
Speaking of nonsensical. Does anybody read the above blogger’s stuff and just come away feeling like they’ve lost a few IQ points? His posts read like a seventeenth century mad prophet.
Slimjr
December 4th, 2011
12:44 am
Ra’mon
December 3rd, 2011
10:53 pm
“If the Hawks were willing to take back Hedo or Arenas, I think the Magic would listen to a Horford, Kirk, and 2 draft picks for D12. They would get a young “All Star”, an expiring contract, and 2 first round picks out of the next 4 years. The fact is the main attraction D12 has to playing in Atlanta is playing with his best friend, not playing in his hometown. So D12 would not sign an extension here without Josh being here. If anything, D12 may would sign BACK with Orlando when a free agent. I’m more interested in signing D12 than I am in signing CP3. Why is that you ask? Besides the obvious injury history, who was the last PG to make an all star team AND when an NBA title the same season? However, Shaq, Hakeem, Duncan, David Robinson, and to a lesser extent Ben Wallace proved, that a dominate all star center can give you a title shot every year the NBA opens the door.
Also, I believe Teague can be BETTER than Rondo when given a front line of Josh and D12 to play with. Teague was a better scorer than Rondo in college, and just as good defensively.
After a deal like that, I would look at possibly bringing in Vince Carter (yes, Vince) to add depth at the 3 position for the mid level exception (at 2 years with a team option for the 3rd season).”
@Brigadierjerry, I like how Ra’mon is thinking. This guy should be the GM!!!!!! lol
I’d rather get D12 in here over CP3 all day! Then surround him with shooters at the 1,2,and 3! The ECF is our’s!!!!!!! My #3 has to be a legit scorer! That’s mandatory…
burp
December 4th, 2011
12:45 am
Yes here we go again,@ 12:40 am, the idiot who is posting above you at 12:39 is a stupid sonofabytch.
Thanks for pointing that out.
I thought we the lights came on you guys were suppose to scatter between the crack and under things….
burp
December 4th, 2011
12:52 am
* I thought when the lights came on you guys were suppose to scatter
Slimjr
December 4th, 2011
12:57 am
For the love of Basketball why would anyone as a GM take that stiff Josh Childress over Andre Iquodala or Lue Aldeng..That’s just plain crazy? Ya think?
It’s incredible that people on this blog would want him back? WOW!!!!!!!!!
burp
December 4th, 2011
1:02 am
Josh got 100k more votes at his position than horford got at his. Dont give me this garbage about who the coaches vote for, by rule they have to vote for a player at every position after the fans have voted. So they pick the left overs and They have to pick from their conference. furthermore roach here we go again 30 coaches did not add Horford as a “reserve” he has yet to earn an election but is being added as a “reserve”.
You cant fool the fans. over 100,000.00 more votes for Josh then Al, you roach.
2011 NBA ALL-STAR BALLOTING EASTERN CONFERENCE
Guards: Dwyane Wade (Mia) 2,048,175; Derrick Rose (Chi) 1,914,996; Rajon Rondo (Bos) 1,587,297; Ray Allen (Bos) 890,951; Raymond Felton (NYK) 397,301; John Wall (Was) 337,368; Gilbert Arenas (Orl) 312,903; Brandon Jennings (Mil) 301,225; Jamal Crawford (Atl) 246,130, Joe Johnson (Atl) 224,571.
Forwards: LeBron James (Mia) 2,053,011; Amar’e Stoudemire (NYK) 1,674,995; Kevin Garnett (Bos) 1,407,601; Paul Pierce (Bos) 804,838; Chris Bosh (Mia) 571,734; Carlos Boozer (Chi) 504,610; Danilo Gallinari (NYK) 390,658; Josh Smith (Atl) 387,843; Luol Deng (Chi) 291,118; Danny Granger (Ind) 279,522.
Centers: Dwight Howard (Orl) 2,099,204; Shaquille O’Neal (Bos) 906,284; Joakim Noah (Chi) 432,127; Andrew Bogut (Mil) 301,896; Al Horford (Atl) 287,083; Roy Hibbert (Ind) 250,614; Andrea Bargnani (Tor) 215,123; Brook Lopez (NJ) 166,844; JaVale McGee (Was) 146,474; Ben Wallace (Det) 113,443.
Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/all-star-voting-results.shtml#ixzz1fXhssLpW
burp
December 4th, 2011
1:03 am
*than Al
Mike is back
December 4th, 2011
1:14 am
Great stuff folks…seven pages already and the season haven’t even started…absolutely awesome!
Weclome back Ken Strick…what up dmb.
Big Ray, yeah you did use be pro Josh…but if memory serves me correct…didn’t you actually have a blog stating it was time to trade Josh. In fact not only you…but AJ ,MC, and Shultz was talking about trading Josh heading into the draft like was already a far gone conclusion…could that be what Josh what referring to…hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Anyway, I always enjoy reading blogs…and even though you went Benedict Arnold on me.lol
Rufus1
December 4th, 2011
1:33 am
What has LD to get fired?
The regular season doesn’t matter in the NBA, so what has he done wrong?
I don’t care what happened during the season, he won more than any other Hawks coach in the past 20 years in the playoffs….I have faith with Teague and a better bench, we will get to the ECF this year…..I think ASG will spend into the Lux Tax this year for a bench, because they believe we are on the verge. LD and ASG know why we lost to the Bulls last year and they are not going to let that happen again….Atleast give the man a chance to fail.:)
“Life is better with the sun in your face, so look on the bright side”- Rufus1
Najeh Davenpoop
December 4th, 2011
2:27 am
“Which perfectly explains why the 30 or so head coaches in the NBA keep voting Al Horford to the all star team and never vote Josh Smith in. ”
Without taking sides in this ultimately pointless argument, I would like to point out that one huge advantage Al has over Smoove when it comes to All Star voting is his center eligibility. Someone has to back up Dwight on the All Star team, and Al fits the bill as well as anyone else in the East. It’s easier for a coach to decide that someone with KG or Paul Pierce’s resume should beat out Smoove than to say someone like Andrew Bogut should beat out Al.
Neki
December 4th, 2011
2:44 am
What up Peeps
it feels nice to talk about Hawks basketball again, but I think this core needs to be shaken up, we can’t continue to be the second round fodder and excepted to keep butts in seats. I believe if Dwight is the one we want, then we have to give up Mavin+Horford and Fillers and it if for Paul, it is Smith, Teague, Zaza and filers. But one of the them, needs to make sure they will sign long-term. But at the end, we can’t stay still. Everybody knows that and I hope that Sund and ASG know that.
wordsmithtom
December 4th, 2011
8:14 am
Say it ain’t so:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Arfv8IZcKVdFDuEmU7Tocio5nYcB?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_free_agent_buzz_120311