Atlanta Hawks: Kirk Hinrich to miss at least first month of season after shoulder surgery
Hawks general manager Rick Sund said guard Kirk Hinrich had surgery to to remove a cyst and repair the labrum in his left shoulder and is expected to miss at least the first month of the regular season.
Hinrich experienced discomfort in his shoulder as a result of offseason workouts and had the procedure in early November.
“The injury typically requires three to four months of recovery,” Sund said
Based on that timeline, Hinrich could be out through the end of February. The 66-game NBA regular season schedule is to begin Dec. 25 if there are no snags in the ratification of the new collective bargaining agreement.
Ken Berger of CBSSports.com first reported Hinrich’s surgery.
Hinrich, 30, was acquired in a Feb. 23 trade with Washington for rookie guard Jordan Crawford and a 2011 first-round pick. Missing training camp would rob Hinrich of a chance to further develop chemistry with his teammates and his injury deals a blow to Atlanta’s guard depth.
With Jamal Crawford set to hit free agency, Hinrich is one of three experienced Hawks guards under contract for this season along with Joe Johnson and Jeff Teague. Teague now enter camp on Dec. 9 as the only point guard on the roster and, barring a major addition, would be the starter for at least the first month of the regular season.
Teague started seven of 70 games during the 2010-11 regular season before replacing the injured Hinrich for the East semis against Chicago. Hinrich suffered a hamstring injury near the end of Game 6 of Atlanta’s series against Orlando.
Hinrich injured his right shoulder during training camp with the Wizards last year and missed games during the season with elbow and calf injuries. He’s averaged just over 73 games played per season for his career.
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Spyro
December 1st, 2011
11:17 pm
Well, that sucks. Hopefully it won’t affect too much.
moboman
December 1st, 2011
11:18 pm
first!
moboman
December 1st, 2011
11:18 pm
second. That trade is looking great againg
AG
December 1st, 2011
11:19 pm
Who else showed up for the workout? Josh was first, but….
CONservative Johnson
December 1st, 2011
11:20 pm
Sure would be good to have Jordan Crawford and a first round pick instead of Hinrich. A big fat shame that Teague didn’t get an honest tryout before trading assets away . . .
AG
December 1st, 2011
11:20 pm
Well, our first round pick can’t make it in Europe, then a couple of our subs are stuck in contract overseas – not to say I really want Josh Powell back.
shady 2.0
December 1st, 2011
11:20 pm
all the time he had, he gonna wait till da last min to have sugary,
CONservative Johnson
December 1st, 2011
11:20 pm
AG, Josh was the only one there . . .
CONservative Johnson
December 1st, 2011
11:22 pm
AG, the screen bean is a 2nd round draft pick . . .
Slimjr
December 1st, 2011
11:25 pm
Nice job Sund, gave up two 1st rd picks for this guy? Nice…..You should have taken Javale McGee!
AG
December 1st, 2011
11:27 pm
Maybe I should have said our draft pick. Josh did look very slim. I heard about JJ, Wilkens, Teague and Smith playing ball in a church in SW Atlanta. No mention of Marvin, other than him having surgery..
Big Dog
December 1st, 2011
11:28 pm
That was might dumb of Heinrich to wait til now. He should have done that back in july or august.
Slimjr
December 1st, 2011
11:31 pm
Hawks Franchise= Airplane, all of em…lol
hmmm...
December 1st, 2011
11:33 pm
Feb. 30 trade Michael? that would have been a neat trick
sorry just had to razz you a little
Najeh Davenpoop
December 1st, 2011
11:51 pm
Well, at least this puts an end to any thoughts LD may have had of not starting Teague.
I wonder what took Kirk so long to figure out that he needed surgery.
J.J.M.
December 1st, 2011
11:53 pm
josh smith playing at rondo charity game a few weeks back
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH6K9TE8eHs
Hawks2012
December 1st, 2011
11:55 pm
… He decides to get surgery now? He had the entire extended offseason to get it, but now? Poor timing…
Dr. Warren
December 1st, 2011
11:57 pm
Can we get JoCraw back?
J.J.M.
December 2nd, 2011
12:00 am
why did the comment box close in the other blog?
Grandmaster JeJe
December 2nd, 2011
12:02 am
It
Issues me off when Joe and Josh say our roster can compete as is.
That makes our moron GM even more confident this core can compete. WE LOSE IN THE SECOND ROUND EVERY YEAR. WE GOT OWNED BY CHI AFTER GAME ONE. MAKE SOME DAMN MOVES. MAKE A SPLASH
Grandmaster JeJe
December 2nd, 2011
12:03 am
Pisses
Grandmaster JeJe
December 2nd, 2011
12:04 am
Hinrich being put sucks but now JT0 gets HUGE minutes
Hawks2012
December 2nd, 2011
12:10 am
But hey. At least now this forces LD to start Jeff Teague… that move could actually bring out the star he really is (remember the 2nd round last year).
kwooden
December 2nd, 2011
12:14 am
Not having Hinrich sucks because it would have been great to have another good defender on the floor. This is good for Teague, but very good for Papa. Papa may actually get some time on the floor when things matter and hopefully he shows what he can do. I’ve watched some highlights from his games in France and he looks to have improved his shot from deep and he’s consistant at getting to the line.
Good to see Smoove work on his cardio, I’ve felt like fatigue is what really causes most of his mistakes. I never thought he was in bad shape, but to reach his potential I’ve felt like he needed to take his condition a few steps higher. As much as I don’t really like Wade, I definitely respect his conditioning. Hopefully Josh can show that kind of conditioning this season.
Grandad
December 2nd, 2011
12:26 am
If Hinrich had surgery during lockout;
no one can say a thing.
Especially those who supported players during lockout.
-for anyone carping about the timing of his surgery-
Najeh Davenpoop
December 2nd, 2011
12:34 am
“If Hinrich had surgery during lockout;
no one can say a thing.
Especially those who supported players during lockout.”
Good point. I forgot that he would have had to rehab on his own. Makes sense, then, that he waited.
FreshFromAtl
December 2nd, 2011
12:35 am
Joe, Teague, Al, and Josh are all in great shape and have slimmed down a little. Plus, Marvin got his back fixed, so the extra time from the lockout probably did him well (he will probably benefit the most from the extra rest after surgery). And to be honest, the extra time from the lockout allowed Kirk to do what he had to do without missing much time (seemingly) if he’s really only going to be out until the end of December – early January.
Also, Josh losing 30 pounds tells me two things…1) Josh is about to play SF permanently, and 2) the Hawks plan on getting a Center because Al will likely man the 4 spot with Josh shifting down to SF. Marvin coming off the bench gives us some needed depth. Now who will be this Center? Zaza, Collins? a free agent?
doc
December 2nd, 2011
12:42 am
now where is that accountant that denied accountants cook books?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/analysis-mf-global-proves-enron-003455894.html
figure that one out robin. somehow accountants get caught in the middle and say what? the devil made me do it.
glad to see ray back with a vengance, must be little action over on the falcon blog with folks figuring out how to stop a rookie qb.
Grandad
December 2nd, 2011
12:55 am
O’ Brien
I balk at rebuffing your Rodman comparison
from the previous blog.
I respest your blog accumen.
However;
Rodman’s real hgt was 6-7 & 210 lbs.
[per MNB reference.com]
I have also seen official measurements listed;
@ 6-6 hgt, numerous sources / including NBA.com
also most places I’ve read – during the latter stages of career:
[meaning Bulls] playing wgt = 216 lbs.
O’B;
I’m not trying to be a wise guy.
i’ve just read a lot of material on my all-time favorite player.
Grandad
December 2nd, 2011
12:57 am
O’Brien
*respect not repest
Worldwide Clyde
December 2nd, 2011
2:26 am
Another Speedy Claxton
vava74
December 2nd, 2011
3:10 am
Big Ray,
I lost your e-mail – drop me a line please
vava74
December 2nd, 2011
3:20 am
Big Ray:
“…Vava not realizing that Smith wasn’t getting outjumped for rebounds…”
I think you missed my reply to someone who pointed out that:
Apart from the rebounds that Josh lost last year – as in years past – on account of not boxing out, Josh was slower getting off the floor last year and getting less high.
You could see that for instance on tip offs which he consistently was losing last year.
You may also remember that almost everyone was gripping that Josh no longer had an aerial game and that he was being “eclipsed by Griffin” game above the rim.
Josh will be better slimmer and his blocks per game will again go up.
Also, in 06/07 Josh averaged more rebounds per game than last year whilst he was a lot slimmer, so weight does not mean more rebounding, in particular for a guy who does not know how to use his weight (boxing out).
FreshFromAtl
December 2nd, 2011
4:42 am
Good points Vava.
vava74
December 2nd, 2011
6:44 am
On Hinrich’s injury,
Provided that he comes back at full strength in early January, I think that his absence on day 1 is the best that could happen to the Hawks.
This way LD will have to start Teague since there are no excuses for him to do otherwise and I can assure you that, being a cowardly HC, he would be looking for all and any excuses not to start him.
Hinrich recovering from an injury also will be more easily content to slip into the 3rd guard slot than for him to lose the starting job in training camp.
Obviously, Teague has to do his thing, but I am very very very confident that he will pick up where he left it against CHI.
Buddy G
December 2nd, 2011
6:44 am
Catching up from the last two blogs:
“Larry Drew = Disaster for the Atlanta Hawks.” – SteveW
Amen!
“Larry Drew was a horrific hire!!” – Slimjr
Hallelujah!
“He took the Hawks further than we have been in 20 years…. What did our ROOKIE COACH do wrong?” – Rufus1
OMG srsly?
http://blogs.ajc.com/mark-bradley-blog/2011/04/21/espns-hollinger-larry-drew-blew-game-2-for-the-hawks/
“I would be stunned if Sund pulled off a trade in our favor. He has yet to do that since he’s been here.” – KevinM
Getting JC1 for Acie Law and Speedy Claxton was in our favor.
“LD was bad coaching decision(taking out Zaza) away from winning game 5.” – Rufus1
Dude! You answered your own question!
“Hawks are in good shape.” – Drewcat
Amen!
“I’ll be damned if I’d be trading Josh Smith unless I was completely overwhelmed by a deal.” chuckw
Praise the Lord!
“Can a 220 lb Josh Smith still grab 8 rebounds a game?” – northcyde
Yes. Not only yes, but yes he can grab 8 rebounds a game and stay injury free due to less stress on his knees.
Buddy G
December 2nd, 2011
6:44 am
“Really, love him or hate him, trading him just makes sense. The Hawks have peaked out with this group.” – Section 303
/NO CO-SIGN
This group is gearing up for its best season. They proved to themselves they could compete for an ECF appearance. They know bad coaching cost them the CHI series. They had the talent. They’re all coming back in the best shape of their careers. You will see this group’s peak THIS YEAR.
“zaza went down with a knee this summer with no word on his condition” – doc
Zaza bounced back from the injury to post 19 points and 10 rebounds Nov. 24th:
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2011/11/zaza-pachulia-pape-sy-productive-in.html
O'Brien
December 2nd, 2011
7:38 am
Najeh,
Well, at least this puts an end to any thoughts LD may have had of not starting Teague..
Vava,
This way LD will have to start Teague since there are no excuses for him to do otherwise….
Don’t be so sure. Mike Bibby is a free agent
ASG
December 2nd, 2011
7:39 am
why don’t you morons quit telling us how to run things and go buy a few tickets, t-shirts, hot dogs and beers. if we win the championship, you will still be complaining.
p.s. we are glad we sold the thrashers!!
#Let'sGoHawks!
December 2nd, 2011
8:11 am
This almost guarantees that the Hawks should sign Iverson… I saw his highlights from a charity game her in ATL, and he still has that sick crossover and 3 point game. Cmon, there are probably no other teams in the mix to get him, and he has stated that he will come off the bench and except fewer minutes.
#Let'sGoHawks!
December 2nd, 2011
8:11 am
Accept*
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
8:20 am
Corn Rows!
Ok then, can somebody please tell Iverson that corn rowS are outa’ style and corny.
vava74
December 2nd, 2011
8:23 am
Iverson would also need to pass a breath control (for alcohol) every time he entered philips area
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
8:36 am
Smell Test!
vava74 … LOL! absolutely right about that. So does Kenny “The Jet” Smith on TNT.
vava74
December 2nd, 2011
8:44 am
By the way, I think its time to bring Cenk Akyol and the urkanian fellow back to fill roster spots.
We need a 3 point specialist and these guys are supposed to be raw in other aspects of the game but accomplished shooters already.
O'Brien
December 2nd, 2011
8:52 am
vava,
We need a 3 point specialist.
Calling Mike Bibby?
DMB,
All these years Iverson has had corn rows, you would think his would be much longer..
mountain_jim
December 2nd, 2011
8:53 am
FIRE SUND!
KevinM
December 2nd, 2011
9:16 am
Buddy G….what I said….”I would be stunned if Sund pulled off a trade in our favor. He has yet to do that since he’s been here.”
I agree….we ended up with the 6MOY, but we failed to capitalize on that transaction. We haven’t gone any further in the playoffs, so its really a wash, because JC1 is now gone.
Isn’t it amazing that the play of Teague will keep LD on our bench this year? This is the same guy who tried to bury him on the bench, played JC1 and JC2 in front of him, and yet our success depends on Teague. LD has no choice but to play him….truthfully, the only way he is getting minutes. I still think if Kirk was healthy, Teague would get limited minutes.
Where are you Mike Bibby? Cenk Ayol, not that’s funny vava! This decades’ version of David Andersen.
Looking for a TJ Ford minimum signing to fill the backcourt.
AG
December 2nd, 2011
9:17 am
MC,
KevinM
December 2nd, 2011
9:19 am
You want to see a team that has loads of cash to spend just to get up near the cap? The Pacers have 11 guys to pay this year, and they still are only at 36M. They can handle 1 or 2 lopsided deals.
SteveW
December 2nd, 2011
9:19 am
Mo Evans did the same thing last year – waiting until around training camp to fix his knee. And it hampered him the first month and a half of the season.
But I understand why Capt. Kirk did it..
Looks like we can get Mo’, probably Bibby, and even super Mario – maybe even Solo Jones, all for the vet minimum if we want them. Talk about a reunion!?
Might as well make a run for Acie while we’re out there also; even Royal.
I am just joking…But if LD would promise to have Bibby back up Teague instead of vice versa, we could do worse than bringing him back for the vet min. Same with Acie. Acie actually found a spot with GSW last year as the backup PG, and did decent.
AG
December 2nd, 2011
9:19 am
MC, you wrote that Josh was the first Hawk in the building. Still wondering if anyone else showed up. I do think AI would be a great addition and he would put some more butts in seats. I hope he has swallowed his pride. He can’t be much worse than Crawford and can give us big minutes off the bench if needed. He just has to commit himself.
AG
December 2nd, 2011
9:22 am
I think bring some of the old Hawks back would be okay. I really would like seeing AC and Moe back. If Bibby came back our reserves would be full of three point threats. Also add AI and the bench wouild be Bibby or Law, AI, Evans, ZaZa and I heard Glen Davis wants to be a Hawk.
KevinM
December 2nd, 2011
9:23 am
Al and Joe approve of bringing JC1 back……haha, now we know who is filling the roster….JC1 has interest from 6 teams including the Bulls.
AG
December 2nd, 2011
9:27 am
Iverson cut his hair a couple of years ago. I guess it grew back.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
9:32 am
APD Impound Lot!
“DMB,
All these years Iverson has had corn rows, you would think his would be much longer..” -O’Brien-
________________
Ha Ha! Iverson’s Lambourghini has been in the impound lot longer than his corn rows. How much does a tag cost for a “2006 Lambo” anyways? Is Iverson really broke? Wasn’t his last big contract signed for 87M? LOL!
I really wonder if we need this guy. Isn’t there anyone else that can hit a 3 point shot? Are we that desperate?
SteveW
December 2nd, 2011
9:37 am
With all of the el cheapo deals the Hawks have – Rolle, Sy, and Kito right now, and it looked in June like they may be looking for 1 or 2 more, it would not totally shock me if we actually offered JC1 the full MLE, and paid a little tax.
Amazing I know, but ASG may just surprise us
And I’m not sure just how much over the MLE that Jamal will get from another team
AG
December 2nd, 2011
9:38 am
I think he will certainly from a business standpoint be an excellent pickup. What other FA would draw as much attention?
KevinM
December 2nd, 2011
9:38 am
DMB, I got a video for you….http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/259900/20111201/shaq-s-girlfriend-carries-jimmy-kimmel-live.htm
Not many women could do that.
DSGB
December 2nd, 2011
9:39 am
I’m up here in D.C. and their fans are still thanking our Hawks for sending them JoCraw. He will be a breakout star this year and what do we have to show for it. Oh Hinrich and no pick in the draft, great trade Sund….Thanks again.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
9:40 am
Bibby!
I’d rather have Bibby coming off the bench to hit those threes rather than Iverson. Bibby is a great locker room guy, he brings chemistry and professionalism. Besides, we all will know his gatorade bottle won’t be spiked.
I’m just sayin’, if he will play for the veteran minimum – The Hawks can’t do worse. Hopefully, we can find a role for Pape Sy too. But, the bottom line is we need some new talent infusion. Especially in the paint:
Rebounders
Rim Defense
Rufus1
December 2nd, 2011
9:41 am
Buddy G
I gave LD a pass because he was a rookie coach. If makes the same mistake this year I may agree with you…
PS. We won the Orlando series.
AG
December 2nd, 2011
9:44 am
Pape Sy? Okay, if we lose Crawford, AI will give us that instant offense. I say bring both in. Bibby should only play 10-15 minutes. If you are stuck on young guys, bring AC back. I am not sold on Pape Sy at all. I think he only makes one team the league and that is ours.
KevinM
December 2nd, 2011
9:44 am
SteveW, no offense, but how many times have we talked about the Hawk’s using the MLE, and they have yet to do it? It isn’t in the ASG formula of cap rules…perhaps they don’t know they have it to use….it would not surprise me.
And until we get another GM, we aren’t bringing in any significant FAs…we are literally limited in our options with this management team. We can’t even find a legit buyer.
Rufus1
December 2nd, 2011
9:44 am
Please stop saying his name….Bibby
It makes me sick to my stomach…BLAH!
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
9:48 am
Here’s My Point!
“What other FA would draw as much attention?” -AG-
_____________
We don’t need attention, especially negative Attention. Aren’t we trying to win a championship? We need talent – not attention.
___________
Kevin M, wassup baby? I don’t even know if I can or want to carry my man! LOL! He carried me over the threshold. LOL! Can you say – Joan of Ark?
Michael Cunningham
December 2nd, 2011
9:49 am
Blog updates with details of Hinrich surgery, timeframe.
O'Brien
December 2nd, 2011
9:49 am
Under the new CBA, JJ’s max deal would have been closer to 5 years, $100 mil from his own team, or 4 years, $74 mil from another team. It would have been nice to have JJ on that deal, instead of 6 years, $124 mil.
KevinM,
Teams have to spend 85% of the cap this year, so with the Pacers at $37 mil (according to hoopshype), they have to spend at least $12 mil. That should give them a lot of options.
O'Brien
December 2nd, 2011
9:52 am
Based on that timeline, Hinrich could be out through the end of February. .
That will be a tough blow for the Hawks, because Hinrich can play SG and PG, and we have no depth behind Teague. As a result, look for the Hawks to bring in another PG and SG at the vet minimum. Ouch.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
9:54 am
Dream Team?
Man! The Eagles are the equivalent of The Redskins when they signed like 15 Pro Bowlers. Where is the chemistry?
Here’s my point: you can not too many chiefs and no indians on a football team. That’s 11 players on each side of the ball, only one person can lead – everyone else has to be willing to follow. One Goal – One Team!
Mike Vick is NOT a leader.
Fundamentals
December 2nd, 2011
10:04 am
Kirk will be fine. I’m actually happy to see teague’s path is now clear. Use Sy as a reserve till Kirk returns. We need to learn to use our role players. This will help them develop.
Worldwide Clyde
December 2nd, 2011
10:05 am
Can we please get rid of Sund. This Hinrich situation he got us in is a mess. You knew good and well he could not stay healthy but yet you traded for him anyway. The Spirit group has a habit of keeping people that underperform.
FIRE SUND
AG
December 2nd, 2011
10:07 am
You are right drmaryb. Vick is not a leader! It is a shame on how poorly that defense has played! Imagine D. Jackson not running routes, dropping balls, quitting on his team, the last two weeks being blown out of the building, the defense allowing Tavaris Jackson to complete 13-16 passing and not stopping M. Lynch and helping V. Young throw 4 interceptions yesterday and 8 for the season in three games! It is a shame Vick helped the team into leads in 8 of 9 games in the fourth quarter and allow the defense to blow those games.
DAMN YOU MIKE VICK!
Also, AI will bring excitment and I am sure he still can be a lot more productive than Bibby!
Fundamentals
December 2nd, 2011
10:08 am
Feb? What happened to late Dec, early Jan return?
KevinM
December 2nd, 2011
10:14 am
OB, I thought Indy had options…Sacramento is at 30M with 10 contracts!
Oh to be in that position! Nevermind, Sund still wouldn’t do a MLE.
And we will get a vet min PG…we might get 2! Seriously though, TJ Ford might be as good as it gets. I don’t see us extending our cap for JC1.
Here’s your FA list…..http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2011/
Juwan Howard and Grant Hill the most years out there….life is good for them to be able to last this long.
STRETCH
December 2nd, 2011
10:14 am
Fundamentals,
That is indeed to best way to look at it. If you look at the current and past NBA champs, they utilized their benches. So, even though they dont have the greatest bench or role players, they are NBA players.
JJ is one of the few guys in the NBA that can create space for open shots, but while doing so, he burns extra energy. And they definitely need to keep the starters as fresh as possible.
Going to have to play some guys now, with Jamal possibly leaving and Capt Kirk on the sidelines.
What?
December 2nd, 2011
10:16 am
First Hinrich is out for a month recovering, then it’s a month of the NBA season. Now it’s through the end of February. Is he just going to take the season off?
Also, anyone defending Sund, remember this guy drafted Swift, Petro and Sene 3 straight years as Seattle’s GM. Where are these guys now? Petro is mediocre
SteveW
December 2nd, 2011
10:16 am
KevinM – It wouldn’t surprise me if the Hawks don’t gauge interest in Jamal, see he’s going to get 3 years for 21m or something, offer the MLE knowing he’ll never take it, and then proclaim, “We tried”!
Standard ASG operating procedure.
Remember – Yahoo Sports April 19th 2010 – Hawks to sell 1st pick.
Outcry from fans
Gearon Jr. – We’ve never thought about selling our 1st pick – #24
Draft day – we trade #24 to the Nets for #27 and the 1st pick of round 2, #31
We sell the #31 pick to OKC for cash – they get Tibor Pleiss.
That is ASG for you
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
10:16 am
The good news is this will force Sund to find a quality PG. Hawks should ALWAYS have 3 good PGs on thier roster until at least one of them can prove they can remain both healthy and productive over an 82 game schedule. That has yet to happen.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
10:18 am
From a previous blog, doc said aj the guu you always tie to the whipping post has defied you one more time. i am sure the defile point will be reached soon enough but for now the whip remains in its sheath.
You’re kidding, right? A few months on Jenny Craig erases 250+ errant 20+ foot jumpers last season? Uh, NO.
KevinM
December 2nd, 2011
10:21 am
Looking back on the ‘05 draft this am and it looks like the team who benefitted most from that draft was the Lakers. Who could have envisioned Bynum at that time being that valuable?
Where would this team be today with some of that vision?
SteveW
December 2nd, 2011
10:22 am
More ASG:
Sund tries to hire a real Coach – the well respected Casey from the Mavs
Gearon Jr sees how he can save some money, and hires the players friend LD for cheap, with a lockout provision of only 1/2 pay.
LD has record losses with Bibby derangement syndrome, forcing Sund to either have a total team collapse, or trade 2 First picks for the aging Kirk Hinrich, just to take Bibby of our hands, to protect LD from himself.
That’s ASG for you
Supreme Grand Poobah Blogman
December 2nd, 2011
10:23 am
@doc – yes, your article proves that the NBA owners were lying and all accountants are crooks.
Fundamentals
December 2nd, 2011
10:26 am
Havent we been searching for a quality pg since Mookie? A center since Motumbo and a sc since Nique? Constant searching with no resolution is exhausting.
SteveW
December 2nd, 2011
10:26 am
Our scouting staff has actually been impressing me lately. Teague at #19 – not bad for the 7th or 8th PG taken in the draft.
JC2 at #27 – not bad at #27 really.
We’ll see how Kito turns out, but I think it may be fairly good. He may be a legit 10-15 mpg guy in the NBA, which is about all you get at #47 or 48 in the draft.
And Sy had flashes last season. The dude can get to the rim, which is invaluable – and they say he really came on in Europe recently
Supreme Grand Poobah Blogman
December 2nd, 2011
10:28 am
@doc – Hope you recognized the sarcasm.
SteveW
December 2nd, 2011
10:28 am
One good thing about Kirk’s injury is he should be fresh for the stretch run.
But we probably can’t move him at the trade deadline now if we wanted to.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
10:30 am
Steve, if Benson is good for 10-15 minutes in the NBA from the last few picks of the 2nd round, that would be a HUGE steal. People don;t seem to understand how good a player must be to earn 10-15 minutes every game in the NBA. That typically means you are oneof the best 250 players in the NBA (out of maybe 425 total). I would never expecta rookie drafted that late to get their in his first season but hopefully over the time that will be the case.
Fundamentals
December 2nd, 2011
10:30 am
What position will Sy excel at? He’s very quick, strong and has decent height and wingspan? His effort and heart will set him apart imho.
Rufus1
December 2nd, 2011
10:32 am
Young, hungry and broke…
I am excited about Sy getting some run. He is young, hungry, broke( relative to the NBA ) athletic and will play DEFENSE…We don’t have enough of those players on our team getting minutes….Now we have atleast 2, with Teague.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
10:35 am
Steve, he has an expiring contract and teams have always taken players with expiring contracts even if they don’t play a minute for them. It does limit the number of teams interested from those needing a back-up PG to those only wanting salary relief in the summer, but they can still move him. But the Hawks first need to find a quality guy to bring in as having one PG is about as dumb as having one quality QB. And heaven help me if they sign some tweener like Larry Hughes or Mike James to fill the role.
Horford for Andrew Bogut + 21yo 7 footer Leuer
December 2nd, 2011
10:37 am
“Trade Horford for a young perimeter 4 and a Dwight-Noah stopper.”
“Trade Horford for a young perimeter 4. And a Dwight-Noah stopper? (Andrew Bogut)”
young perimeter 4:
+ take Marvin’s corner spot on offense (Jon Leuer)
Now Smoove can defend 3s but stay inside on offense.
KevinM
December 2nd, 2011
10:40 am
If Sy gets any minutes that are significant, that would be one of those incredible moves. I haven’t seen enough to offer a positive opinion.
As for Benson, it would be nice but I see Solomon Jones Part II.
So we have to go find some vets because young guys aren’t going to get any minutes under LD…unless of course he is ‘forced’ to.
SteveW, I had never heard of that lockout provision before with LD. We still went cheap with LD and the final choices we ended up with could have been better to say the least…..it was like, well, pick your poison between Jackson, Casey and Drew…..over 2 guys who had plenty of coaching experience and had championship playing careers…..Laimbeer and Michael Cooper. For some reason, I think management is listening to Al and Joe too much.
Horford for Andrew Bogut + 21yo 7 footer Leuer
December 2nd, 2011
10:41 am
Hinrich went down so play Pape Sy at PG. tell him to try to post up and get a double team then pass so everyone else can make a play.
Andrew Bogut * Zaza Pachulia *
Jon Leuer + Keith Benson *
Josh Smith * Al Thornton *
Joe Johnson * Marvin Williams *
Jeff Teague * Kirk Hinrich *
inj. reserve: Pape Sy, Jason Collins
Andrew Bogut * Zaza Pachulia *
Jon Leuer + Keith Benson *
Josh Smith * Al Thornton *
Joe Johnson * Marvin Williams *
Jeff Teague * Pape Sy *
inj. reserve: Kirk Hinrich, Jason Collins
bench players 12mpg
Wendy
December 2nd, 2011
10:41 am
It’s really not clear to me whether this was a problem all off-season and he waited, or if it came up later in the off-season. He was still rehabbing the hammy to start the offseason, so it may not have been apparent early on, or it may have been one of those things where he thought he could rehab without surgery. Also, he and his wife had a kid, I believe, sometime in September, so that could have been a factor in delaying surgery if he knew he needed it sooner.
This should make all the JT fans happy, but it’s really not a great thing with the lack of depth on the team at guard, assuming they don’t plan to resign Jamal. Hopefully he won’t be out long, or Papa Sy will be a huge surprise – with games in a compacted time frame it would be all to easy to wear out JJ and JT.
Guido
December 2nd, 2011
10:42 am
This sucks to hear
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
10:43 am
Vick’s Vapor Rub!
AG baby! You are so right. I’m just glad we have Matt Ryan, say what you will but, reading defenses, making audibles at the line of scrimmage and just managing the games will take you a long way.
Will Matt take us to a super bowl? IDK, but at leats we are in the conversation. Entertainment iis just that, just give your team a chance to win and don’t hurt their chances.
Yes, we are better today than we were five years ago. See Philly.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
10:43 am
Even though he isn’t a pure PG, I wouldn’t mind seeing Royal Ivey return to the Hawks. He is a different type of defender than Teague (which would give opposing PGs are different look), he isn’t going to get shot happy like a bunch of other candidates, he knows all of the members of the sacred core and he is cheap. Other cheap options include Anthony Carter, Carlos Arroyo, Chris Quinn, Antonio Daniels, Marcus Banks and Panerro Pargo. And motley list, huh? Kind of makes you want to find Mateen Cleaves or Sherman Douglas.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
10:46 am
KevinM, the loudest endorsement for LD didn’t come from Joe or Al but from the other team captain who seemed giddy about “Uncle Larry”.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
10:47 am
Panerro = Jannero.
Rufus1
December 2nd, 2011
10:49 am
Who will start?….Marvin, Zaza or Twin?
Dawglasville
December 2nd, 2011
10:54 am
I’m not sure that not discovering Teague was Larry Drew’s fault. I heard Doug and Ryan Stewart, Steak and Nick say they saw first hand how he moped at practice because he wasn’t given the starters role from day one. They all claimed that Drew would push Teague and he wilted because his pride was hurt. Now, of course I wasn’t there, so I don’t know where the truth lies. Maybe Michael could shed some light on this. Personally I thought Drew did a great job in the Orlando series.
Guido
December 2nd, 2011
10:56 am
S. Dalembert, Al Thornton, Von Wafer, D. Wilkiins, J. Collins and Backup Point (Jamaal Tinsley D-League) and take out a 3rd mortgage to resign Jamal Crawford
Prospects worth signing
Garrett Temple
Mustafa Shakur
Mike is Back
December 2nd, 2011
11:02 am
Vava, pardon the late response.
I agree as for as Kirk situation could be the best thing to happen for the Hawks…Kirk can also be a mentor to Teague during his recovery…so in that perspective it’s a win win for the TEAM. However, you would have still liked to have had Kirk services at the start of the season.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
11:02 am
Dawglasville, most bloggers over here believe that spoiled brats who don’t know how to handle adversity reside everyplace else but in the Hawks lockerroom. It is inconceivable that a young man would come to work and provide half-hearted effort and focus… that doesn’t exist in a basketball arena. Nope, every player has the potential to be great if given the proper coaching and playing time. The player need not do anything but show up with sneakers on and wait for a chance to be great. That seems to be the prevailing thought of many around here. Greatness is pre-destined for all players on the roster (with any decent coach).
ant banks
December 2nd, 2011
11:04 am
CP3 IS TAMPERING! I HATE THAT PLAYERS CAN DO THIS….
cp3 is demanding to go to NEW YORK NICKS:
1. NY doesn’t have to offer any trade materials.
2. insider trader info for season tix holders, most will DEF re-up if they KNOW cp3 is coming.
3. new orleans can’t do ANYTHING to get pieces to replace cp3.
4. cp3 screws the new orleans organization
5. no team would even do a one year rental now.
players should have to keep their mouths shut. this shoulda been added to the cba
Dawglasville
December 2nd, 2011
11:08 am
Astro Joe – Understood. I can be angry with ASG but I don’t think there is a whole lot not to like about our first year coach.
PMC
December 2nd, 2011
11:15 am
Oh No… how are we goign to sell tickets without…. Kirk Hinrich…….
AG
December 2nd, 2011
11:19 am
SIgn AI and tickets are sold!
Chris
December 2nd, 2011
11:20 am
Typical of the dedication the Hawks have to be ready to play. He had extra time off due to the lockout and now that its time to play he has surgery. Great Start Hawks….One more reason I don’t pay any attention to you or the NBA.
doc
December 2nd, 2011
11:26 am
supreme i didnt miss it for a second. glad you are still in the shadows reading though, good comments are always appreciated. yes, i wanted to see their books open widely for all to scrutinize and explore and allow interpretation. it might be as revealing as how much moolah the ncaa generates on amateur labor as they sustain injuries that last a lifetime at their own expense as they accidentally opened their books on the net for all to see last week. i also say, so did the players want to see as we had and them to “believe” what the owners told us of how they were paupers, all the while putting the players numbers out there for all to see. that is where the distrust started and grew from there. it was a grand pr move for the owners in my eyes and most who can see through the folly and they played on it to the unsuspecting naive fan to the utmost.
also speaking of folly here is a good one on how the balance of power has suddenly changed due to the niggling and wrangling of the past few months for those of you thinking times would cheange:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/sports/basketball/the-ball-still-belongs-to-the-stars.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&
NOT!
enjoy!
Horford for Andrew Bogut + 21yo 7 footer Leuer
December 2nd, 2011
11:27 am
Re Big Ray
So Josh comes back skinnier. Funniest part of that is Vava not realizing that Smith wasn’t getting outjumped for rebounds, he was getting BLOCKED OUT…which goes back to the same fundamental issues he’s always had. So what will a ligher Josh Smith do? Jumper higher on those 21 foot jumpers?
You’re boxed out then use the swim move and spin move, move your feet and such a faster Smith has the fundamentals to do this.
His added weight helped his defensive boards (he blocked out more than ever which might not be saying much) but his offensive boards, the speed and energy beat your man to the ball boards he missed out on a lot.
Smith would be bent over every game, and take himself out of plays by not running end to end.
A) For a guy with no jump shot you have to be consistently moving. See Marion or Gerald Wallace.
B) His 15 foot face up game was decent before the weight gain. Now he can elevate and use speed on offensive glass and jumpers I have hope he starts scoring more. Unlike Marvin or Al he is coordinated enough to take it to the basket if a seam opens up.
Sentence Association with Rick Sund
December 2nd, 2011
11:30 am
Jon Leuer: 7 foot Gugliotta
Marvin Williams: Why-I-Oughta
Andrew Bogut: Joakim-stopper
Al Horford: trade value
Josh Smith: low-ball
Joe Johnson: Urge-to-splurge; shot-maker
Jeff Teague: last hope
Larry Drew: scapegoat
ASG: interview-over
doc
December 2nd, 2011
11:37 am
AJ said ….” The good news is this will force Sund to find a quality PG.”
or not.
aj, are you losing your mind? this is the basg and rick sund we are dealing with here. when did you become the grand optimist on that combo doing anything except get us tired retreads past the “core’? which i might add is down one much to vava’s glee as i doubt jc is going to accept any offer below market we might offer since there is no more money in the bank without a trade that somehow addresses it which i doubt it can.
man also i cant believe you dont realize we are seeing the new josh aj, you of all people.
smile bro.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
11:42 am
doc, even Sund can get us a 3rd PG who will get consistent minutes in the early months of the season. Surely they know how to reach Spud Webb.
vava74
December 2nd, 2011
11:43 am
AJ,
Yes, young players should not pout if they don’t get the playing time/starting job.
Yes, young players should put EXTRA work if they don’t get the playing time/starting job.
BUT:
1. There was ABSOLUTELY NO JUSTIFICATION for LD to keep a carcass on the floor (Bibby) or a guy completely ill-prepared to play PG (Jamal) in detriment of developing and giving a FAIR opportunity to Teague.
2. Teague was told that he WOULD HAVE A CHANCE at the starting spot. That was 100% bull and when you get 100% bull from a superior at that level, 999/1000 times you POUT.
3. More, during the season, when Teague had the opportunities here and there, HE SHOWED PROMISE and was rewarded immediately after with DNP-CD.
The numbers BACKED Teague:
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2011/11/2010-11-season-review-jeff-teague.html
vava74
December 2nd, 2011
11:46 am
And this:
http://www.hoopinionblog.com/2011/01/breaking-down-jeff-teagues-backcourt.html
SteveW
December 2nd, 2011
11:47 am
Bogut had that horrible elbow injury, and they say he also suffers from terrible migraines. I like his game, but stay away unless you could get him really cheap.
Michael Cunningham
December 2nd, 2011
11:50 am
@hmmm “Feb. 30 trade Michael? that would have been a neat trick
sorry just had to razz you a little”
deserved that one.
Michael Cunningham
December 2nd, 2011
11:52 am
@AG: “MC, you wrote that Josh was the first Hawk in the building. Still wondering if anyone else showed up.”
not to work out as far as i know. Al and Joe came in yesterday for physicals.
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
11:55 am
Worldwide Clyde
December 2nd, 2011
2:26 am
“Another Speedy Claxton”
How bout another: Tyronn Lue..Stayed injured every other week..Or should we say called in sick every other week…
Nice Job Sund gave up two 1st round picks for the Heimlich?
SteveW
December 2nd, 2011
11:57 am
This Hinrich injury may save LD his job. A starting lineup with Teague, a slimmed down JJ and Josh, and Al will be among the most athletic in the League. Maybe even LD can’t mess this up.
But then again, maybe he can.
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
11:58 am
Get the Hint Sund: Your going to have to secure another backup pt guard to back up the back up..
Dont you see the writing? Naw………
vava74
December 2nd, 2011
11:58 am
doc,
IF by any disastrous event we re-signed Jamal, LD would start him ahead of Teague.
Notch yet another reason not to want Jamal back.
I would sign him for what he is worth 4/5million BUT with him firmly harnessed – ie. using him 10-20 minutes per game TOPS and depending on match ups.
Jamal’s major value, IMO, is against weak teams, when he can be safely deployed to break open games.
Against top teams, Jamal should be used very very very limitedly.
Obviously, there could be situations in which he is so hot and the match up is so favourable that you can ride him (ORL series).
But against good defensive teams, the most likely result is what we got from him against CHI games 2 to 6: NOTHING on offense whilst HURTING US BADLY on D.
Unfortunately, neither Woody, nor LD, were good enough head coaches to identify this and overused Jamal in many games.
doc
December 2nd, 2011
12:03 pm
come on AJ, hadnt you heard he already did? pape sy is on the bench and ready to perform “consistently”, umm unless his back goes out again.
look josh lost that weight so he can spell teague there a few minutes bro.
nasty heh heh too
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
12:08 pm
Larry will have the same problems losing 3rd quarter leads in the 4th quarter.. Blow outs! Blah, Blah,Blah..
Same GM= same matrix…
vava74
December 2nd, 2011
12:09 pm
Pape Sy’s stats with Gravelines:
2011-2012 G7 MPG14.3 FG%47% 3pt%42% FT%81% RPG1.6 APG0.7 STL0.1 BLK0.0 TO1.0 FL1.3 PPG 10.6
Just like his stint in the NBDL, he was getting to line consistently.
doc
December 2nd, 2011
12:10 pm
vava, if for any disastrous reason jamal is signed i will stay away from here for sure.
WeBurn
December 2nd, 2011
12:11 pm
Horrible trade to get Kirk. Gave up too much and got back WAY too little. Keeping both Crawfords would have been a MUCH better move.
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
12:13 pm
Sentence Association with Rick Sund
December 2nd, 2011
11:30 am
Jon Leuer: 7 foot Gugliotta
Marvin Williams: Why-I-Oughta
Andrew Bogut: Joakim-stopper
Al Horford: trade value
Josh Smith: low-ball
Joe Johnson: Urge-to-splurge; shot-maker
Jeff Teague: last hope
Larry Drew: scapegoat
ASG: interview-over
Sund: There are STARS everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
12:13 pm
vava, I’m not going to open up that old box of funky worms. If you believe that the first step in the process is game time, then your logic is sound. If you believe that the first step in the process of earning time or a starter’s role is practice, then fans are blind to the progress made in that stage. I happen to believe that in all team sports, practice is the first step, it is like cooking a meal in the test kitchen before you serve it to a paying customer. If your stuff isn’t up to par in the test kitchen, I don’t see why you allow the cook to go live with real customers. If a QB can’t satisfy his position coach in drills, I don’t think he will be the starter. If a batter can’t show the ability to hit situationally, then I doubt that he will get the chance to bunt over a runner in a crucial game situation. But if in your world you are willing to give a guy a chance who hasn’t earned it in practice, then you obviously will disagree with my opinion.
When I teach my kid how to drive and if he can’t do well in an empty parking lot, I will definitely keep him out of real traffic until he learns. That’s just me.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
12:16 pm
doc, I completely forgot that Pape Sy was listed as our 3rd PG last year. My bad, we’re already set. I’ll start cutting up the confetti for the ticker-tape parade.
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
12:19 pm
Pape Sy who…………………..? Another stiff Sund?
FreshFromATL
December 2nd, 2011
12:20 pm
WOW!
Hey MC, are there any truths to Dawglasville’s claim?
“He [Teague] moped at practice because he wasn’t given the starters role from day one. They all claimed that Drew would push Teague and he wilted because his pride was hurt.”
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
12:22 pm
“Hawks general manager Rick Sund said guard Kirk Hinrich had surgery to to remove a cyst and repair the labrum in his left shoulder and is expected to miss at least the first month of the regular season.
Hinrich experienced discomfort in his shoulder as a result of offseason workouts and had the procedure in early November.
“The injury typically requires three to four months of recovery,” Sund said”
Another one bites the dust…..
northcyde
December 2nd, 2011
12:22 pm
Enter your comments here
SteveW
December 2nd, 2011
12:24 pm
Just for pure entertainment value, I wouldn’t mind if we signed Earl Boykins as a backup PG. He can’t play D, but then neither did Jamal very much either.
Ronnie Price and Earl Watson may be ok, along with the already mentioned Acie etc.
doc
December 2nd, 2011
12:26 pm
astro too funny man, roflol. confetti from heaven, yes?
dont forget, sy gets to the line like jj and al dont.
somehow and for some reason northcyde has been giving us moments to anticipate his next post lately.
and here he is …
SteveW
December 2nd, 2011
12:28 pm
I wonder if Chicago wouldn’t be interested in Marvin as a 2-3 – he played some 2 for us last year and did ok.
Maybe get CJ Watson and Brewer in return?
KevinM
December 2nd, 2011
12:29 pm
Mario Chalmers
TJ Ford
Acie Law
Patty Mills
Sebastian Telfair – he hasn’t panned out anywhere
Jason Williams
Chris Quinn
Eddie House
The list isn’t that long.
Michael Cunningham
December 2nd, 2011
12:32 pm
@Fresh: “Hey MC, are there any truths to Dawglasville’s claim? “He [Teague] moped at practice because he wasn’t given the starters role from day one. They all claimed that Drew would push Teague and he wilted because his pride was hurt.”
i don’t think he moped about it. in Drew’s view, which is the one that matters, Teague just didn’t seize the opportunity.
Section 303
December 2nd, 2011
12:34 pm
I like Hinrich, but the team just can’t have this. The season is too short this year for someone to be out until the end of February. Maybe this is our Amnesty player? Hinrich seems to be an injury just waiting to happen. This is the 2nd time (first in last year’s playoffs) that he has been unable to answer the bell because of an injury.
$8 million should do more than just buy you a player on the IR.
Big setback. Going to be next to impossible to find a solid replacement. Might be time to show Hinrich the door.
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
12:35 pm
Here’s an idea, play Marivn at the 1? He likes getting his shot blocked by 5′9″ pt guards,so he knows how to play small ball. Also we need another jump shooter in the house..lol
naw scratch that…
Section 303
December 2nd, 2011
12:37 pm
KevinM, from that list, I’ll take Patty Mills. He is just as good as anyone else on that list. Will probably be cheaper and easier to sign, too.
Not sure why….but I feel very annoyed at Kirk Hinrich. He was going to be counted on this year. Tired of guys getting big bucks who can’t perform when needed.
Dawglasville
December 2nd, 2011
12:37 pm
FreshFromATL – I did qualify it by saying that is what local radio was reporting. In the end, it doesn’t really matter because he is doing great now. I hate to see Drew continuing to catch heat for this if it wasn’t his fault. So Michael, if you would, is this true?
Dawglasville
December 2nd, 2011
12:39 pm
Oh, M.C., thanks for the answer.
northcyde
December 2nd, 2011
12:49 pm
Shouldn’t even be in this situation to begin with.
We had a young combo guard in the form of Jordan Crawford who could’ve filled the role. And with that 1st round pick, it sure would’ve been nice to have a SF like Chris Singleton on the squad ( basically the 2nd coming of Stacey Augmon ).
But nope . . . we get Hinrich. Now we don’t even have him for 1/2 the year, and God knows how he will play once he comes back.
While Iverson would be an instant box office attraction, I don’t believe the ASG will go after him.
I could definitely see them bringing back Acie. And at least with this go around, Acie knows that he’ll have to get playing time, even if he’s the backup. Also, any PG that Sund is familiar with in the past, is a potential target. So Earl would definitely be on the target list.
Also, don’t be surprised if this guy ends up in ATL as the backup PG. He’s always been erratic as hell, but with the loss of Hinrich, we will need some scoring punch from somewhere. So don’t be surprised if this guy ends up on a Hawks roster come mid-December.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ruvf2egOcxg
TLH770
December 2nd, 2011
12:55 pm
It’s Teague time… My man nice.. This will be his breakout year.. Just watch. Hawks please do something this year.. Geez!
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
12:55 pm
northcyde, LD was pretty adamant last year that JC2 would NOT play PG. Remember when he was outplaying Teague during the pre-season (including at PG) and LD said that JC2 would stay at SG?
Rufus1
December 2nd, 2011
12:58 pm
@vava
When Teague plays in the backcourt with JJ the Hawks have a +15pts differential….THAT IS CRAZY!!! With kind of production I am not sure we should even consider trading him.
Teague turns this team weakness(dribble penetration offensive and defensive) and turns that into a strength…I am all in on Teague. Hawks- 45-11
Section 303
December 2nd, 2011
1:08 pm
northcyde, I hope you’re wrong on the Nate Robinson thing. Granted, Nate Robinson has torched the Hawks in the past (like when he was with the Knicks), however, he has become a sideshow act these days. The whole “Shrek & Donkey” act with Big Baby during the ‘09 Finals and all his clowning with Shaq…..I’ll pass. The simply is not good enough to act as if he is center of attention.
I like the idea of Patty Mills.
Another name….undrafted, 2-time Final Four starting PG, former Big Ten Player of the Year….Kalin Lucas. Loved him at Michigan State. And, I still think he can play in the NBA,had he not blown out his achillies in the ‘10 Tourney.
mountain_jim
December 2nd, 2011
1:08 pm
This injury just makes Sund’s trade that much worse. And I hated that trade even when I assumed we would have Hurt (I mean Kurk) for the whole season.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
1:12 pm
The Helm!
So O’Brien, with Captain Kirk – does that mean we have four captains now? I’m just wonderin’? LOL
___________
I believe I heard Captain Kirk injured his shoulder just recently in a pick up/practice game? Does anyone have any specifics on this injury/surgery or mechanism of injury?
O'Brien
December 2nd, 2011
1:32 pm
303,
Hinrich is expiring, so no matter what he does, the Hawks will either trade him, or keep him and let his contract expire at the end of the season for the cost savings.
Now that I think about it, since th ASG is selling the team, I think they will explore the option of trading Hinrich. I think they didnt mind giving JJ a max deal because they knew they are selling. I think they will do the same thing in a Hinrich trade. be willing to pick up long term salary in return for Hiinrich (for the right player of course), because they dont plan on being owners much longer.
AJ,
I remember LD being adamant early in the season, that he won’t play JC2 at PG. However, He had also mentioned not playing JC1 at PG, but eventually, he changed his tune, and played Jamal at PG even when he was struggling (bulls regular season game in Chicago comes to mind). So I don’t believe much of what LD said, because he is full of talk.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
1:34 pm
Double An tundra!
“I don’t think there is a whole lot not to like about our first year coach.” Dawglasville-
_______________
Hugh? Looks like a double negative comment that makes no sense. What are you trying to say?
northcyde
December 2nd, 2011
1:54 pm
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
12:55 pm
northcyde, LD was pretty adamant last year that JC2 would NOT play PG. Remember when he was outplaying Teague during the pre-season (including at PG) and LD said that JC2 would stay at SG?
******************
Yeah I remember that bunch of crap that LD was spitting out. I wonder what he thought about Jordan’s triple double?
alex
December 2nd, 2011
1:55 pm
on last add from asg at 680AM hawks are ready for title run this year, sound similar to Stanly cup run add for thrashers just before famous relocation in 2011. so hurry up to buy season tickets for asg liars let them prosper and good luck hawks.
northcyde
December 2nd, 2011
2:04 pm
Honestly 303 . . if Patty Mills and Lucas are the alternatives, then give me Nate Robinson and all of the sideshow stuff.
To me, Iverson in the guy to go after. He’s right here in the city, He still can play better than most reserve backup PGs. And he can bring people out to Philips Arena more than any other player we have on the roster.
Offer him anywhere from the vet minimum to a 2 million ( one year contract ). Cut an under the table deal with him telling him that if he’s instrumental in getting us to the EC Final or beyond, the Hawks will offer him another year at no less than MLE money.
Bringing in Patty Mills, or Sebastian Telfair, or Earl Boykins, or Anthony Carter does NOTHING to move the meter in Atlanta.
Sign Iverson, and watch how this city starts buzzing, even before he plays a game.
And if the Iverson move doesn’t work out, oh well. It’s not like we’re projected to go to the EC Finals right now to begin with. We’re going to be a team picked somwhere between 4th and 7th by most “experts”.
I would love for the ASG just ONE TIME, take a damn chance. Bring in a guy who at 35, will instantly bring in dollars, just because he was/is so beloved by many in Atlanta.
KNOW YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS. Bring in “the answer”, even if he turns out to be a “question”. And if you have to pay a small amount of luxury tax, trust that Iverson still has box office appeal, and may make you more money, even if you pay out a little tax money.
Astro Joe
December 2nd, 2011
2:10 pm
northcyde, so why would A.I. be better in Atlanta than he was in Memphis? The last data point suggests that he is Evander Holyfield, a guy who needs to retire but doesn’t know it yet.
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
2:22 pm
AI=Mike Bibby now..Cant defend his shadow…….
And since we have All Overrated Alice defending the rim, it would be a disaster…
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
2:27 pm
Worldwide Clyde
December 2nd, 2011
10:05 am
“Can we please get rid of Sund. This Hinrich situation he got us in is a mess. You knew good and well he could not stay healthy but yet you traded for him anyway. The Spirit group has a habit of keeping people that underperform.
FIRE SUND”
Hey Sund, you keep this up you will be surpassing Billy Knight..Keep it up oh clueless one…..31+ years?
Horford for Andrew Bogut + 21yo 7 footer Leuer
December 2nd, 2011
2:28 pm
“The Answer” is not a 36 year old Allen Iverson, please if you want to put butts in the seats then win basketball games.
What demographic wants to see Allen Iverson gambling and griping, and Jason Collins against the Bulls. That would be good for Bulls fans or any other transplanted fans.
What the “Demographic” wants to see is the tough changes that need to be made. The demographic wants defined and cohesive basketball roles.
PG Teague | role: penetration, open up teammates
SG Joe Johnson | role: bully guard, go to scorer
SF Josh Smith | role: 6’8 paint scorer; see prime Gerald Wallace, Shawn Marion;
PF* Jon Leuer | role: 7’0 perimeter player adequate rebounder see: Rasheed Wallace
C Andrew Bogut| role: see Jason Collins, Tyson Chandler, Joakim Noah
stands outside and defender A) forgets he can shoot or B) sticks to him like glue and lets his teammates get burned by Joe Bogut and Josh and Teague C) he leaves to double the guard leaving his man wide open; he then burns you for 8 points in the 4th quarter from 3 despite being 7 foot tall. see Rasheed Wallace* (16 ppg, 7rpg career)
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
2:29 pm
Hawks=Falcons= Braves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WTF is up with this town???????????????????????????????????
Horford for Andrew Bogut + 21yo 7 footer Leuer
December 2nd, 2011
2:39 pm
no Jon Leuer does not = Rasheed Wallace size but not toughness. Sticking with Gugliotta comparison.
Jeff Teague = ?
Joe Johnson = ?slower Mitch Ritchmond?
6′8 Gerald Wallace
7′0 Gugliotta
Andrew Bogut = ?
Jeff Teague = ?
Joe Johnson = ?
Josh Smith = a 6′8 Gerald Wallace
Jon Leuer = a 7′0 Gugliotta
Andrew Bogut = ?
duronimo
December 2nd, 2011
2:40 pm
He’s had plenty of time to get this taken care of. But why should he? Now he gets paid and doesn’t have to play. What other reason could there be? Why was he allowed to delay long enough to adversely affect the team. Someone is asleep at the wheel. Who cares really. There’s not much really playing until the playoffs anyway.
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
2:42 pm
Captain Picard wake the FREAK up please?????????????????????????/
EmirS.
December 2nd, 2011
2:46 pm
northcyde
December 2nd, 2011
12:49 pm
Don’t tease.
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
2:51 pm
I saw Hoops on YouTube, put her dude “THE BIG ARISTOTLE” 7′1″ 300+lbs on her back and walk in 4 inch heels on some late night talk show!!!!!!!!! Hugh??????…..DAYUM………….lol
She is 5′2″ and 125lbs….Shoot! Hey Sund why dont ya put her at the 1 as Teagues backup!!!!!! lmbo
the slimmer Smith is like Gerald Wallace a tweener. But it can be advantageous.
December 2nd, 2011
2:52 pm
Defense | Offense
PG | perimeter: Jeff Teague
SG | perimeter: Joe Johnson
PF | perimeter: Jon Leuer
SF | inside: Josh Smith
C | inside: Andrew Bogut
That team is better than the Bulls and as close as you will get to Lebron and the Heat. Heat’s upgrade is likely Samuel Dalembert and bench Joel Anthony.
Slimjr
December 2nd, 2011
2:56 pm
The Heimlich was injured when Sund gave away his two 1st rd picks. This guy is one of the best GM’s the Hawks have ever had!!!!!! lol
KevinM
December 2nd, 2011
3:05 pm
Out of the PGs available, I like Chalmers. I saw him play decent ball last year trying to massage the egos of South Beach. I like he and Teaguer as a combo similar to Westbrook/Eric Maynor.
Northcyde, you stick AI behind Teague and you will hear nothing but public griping.
That’s as bad as bringing ‘prime’ Bibby back.
Section 303
December 2nd, 2011
3:16 pm
northcyde, if the Hawks bring in AI, I would be happy. I love that guy! He is a little rough around the edges, but he plays hard all the time. Though, I’m still not convinced he will ever get in the mode of “just fitting in” on a team. I think he will always see himself as “the man”. He could be on the Lakers, with Kobe, and still see himself as “the man”.
Who knows….maybe last year’s debacle in Memphis humbled him enough to accept a role off the bench?
Rufus1
December 2nd, 2011
3:21 pm
NBA Rankings
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtVdpJJQ7fptaxYX9iAAqe68vLYF?slug=nba_com-preseason-rankings-20111201
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
3:21 pm
Really?
Kirk is injured people. Can you really blame him for having a cyst and a labrum tear? Are we that heartless of a fan?
How many of you fellas are fat, lazy couch potatoes, dogging a world class athlete? I mean really?
LMAO & (tongue in cheek)
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut.ECF.
December 2nd, 2011
3:22 pm
Iverson is a stop gap PR stunt at best. Chalmers? Does Teague regress if you bring in another PG?
I’d do it if it hurt the Heat. But when is Chalmers due for a raise? How much can you pay him? Will he accept and be supportive while being benched and watching Teague make mistakes and help him grow?
IDK but I’d do it now if it Hurt the Miami Heat and opened up a chance in the ECF. Why did Hinrich wait? He cant be traded while injured can he? This screws us.
Joe.Jeff.Smith.Leuer.Bogut.ECF
December 2nd, 2011
3:27 pm
NBA Rankings
“The Hawks were easily the most confounding team of the 2010-11 season, and their numbers say their record was inflated. In order for them to remain in the East’s top five, they’ll need to figure out how Kirk Hinrich(notes) fits in. They were downright awful offensively after he arrived at the deadline.”
Bibby knew the schemes and it hurt thinking we could play small with Kurt and win games.
Defense and rebounding is essential now with these super teams. And Kurt is not as effective as some would lead you to believe. He can only really play the PG where he has a size advantage or against backups without really hurting the team.
Kirk was a negative until the playoffs where we played his 6′4 butt exclusively at PG.
Al and Josh still were the best at closing out possessions.
drmaryb.[*_*].
December 2nd, 2011
3:31 pm
Debacle?
What debacle?
Iverson went AWOL, left the team,
ski-daddled, disappeared, bounced, poofed, went gone …
something about a family crisis.
I guess the wifey was re-filing those divorce papers down at the Fulton County court house.
Michael Cunningham
December 2nd, 2011
3:35 pm
new blog is posted. shutting down this thread.
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