Atlanta Hawks: Video: Free agent focus

FreshFromAtl

November 30th, 2011
5:29 pm

Can’t wait to see what will happen in the upcoming weeks!

vava74

November 30th, 2011
5:31 pm

Sorry Grandad,

But you even admit on your little fable that you had to KO me with a dirty trick

Al – Laimbeer…

umm… common points:

Face up scorers
Both play C
Adequate/above average rebounders
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…
…
ummm…
nothing else!

Laimbeer was DIRTY and DID ANYTHING, WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE MEANS, IN ORDER TO WIN.

You had to insure your nose, your teeth, your collarbone, your b@alls before you even considered going into the lane with Laimbeer down low.

Laimbeer was the most hated and one of the most feared players in the league.

Al is too nice, too soft… there is no comparison.

If Al played in the 80’s, he would refuse to play against Laimbeer. Heck, Dwight Howard would too, even though he is one of the dirtiest players right now.

You must have a man-crush for Al.

vava74

November 30th, 2011
5:33 pm

Just Joe,

The Celts are only dumping Rondo IF THEY GET PAUL.

So, your “plan” does not work starting with its point 1.

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
5:40 pm

From the last blog:

Vava74, and Rod from CP,

Both of y’all are using revisionist history regarding Al and Kurt Thomas. Yes, I saw what you did. Al did get punked ON A FEW TRIPS, but overall, he played very near his season stats for that series. He actually rebounded at a higher rate (9.8 to 9.3 for the season), and had more blocked shots (2.1 vs. 1.04 reg. season), so to say that Thomas “punked him” is hardly the case. His scoring was BAD in games 3 and 4 (where Thomas indeed pushed him off his spots), but for the entire series he scored 14.5 / gm which was just slightly less than his season avg. of 15.3.

And Rod, somehow you don’t remember ANY of the 15 blocks that Al had during the series? None?

Selective memory I guess.

Anyway, just trying to keep it real. Al would tell you he didn’t play his best, but to say in a blanket statement that Al got “punked” for the series is a big stretch. A few trips, ok, but look at the stats, and it’ll tell you differently.

My two cents.

Section 303

November 30th, 2011
5:48 pm

I received this week’s SI today. NBA preview issue. Typical Hawks preview. Talk about how team never makes it past the 2nd round, etc. They make re-signing Jamal sound urgent to the Hawks. Just don’t see that. I like Jamal, but he was not as good last year as he was 2009-2010 season. Plus, he just commands too much jack.

I cannot wait until December 9. Watching the free agents fly off the market and trying to anticipate who the Hawks will grab will be fun. I loved the two week free agent period the NFL had this year (I actually think the NFL should do that every year). The NBA’s will be even better.

Schedule gets announced on Friday, right? I read that on Twitter from one of the many NBA writers I follow.

Just Joe

November 30th, 2011
5:54 pm

vava,

i don’t care what the C’s turn around and do with Teague, Hinrich, and the pick. If they want add another pick, S&T Jeff Green, S&T Big Baby, Avery Bradley, and/or Marshon Brooks and go after CP3, then that’s their business.

Rod from College Park

November 30th, 2011
6:03 pm

Sautee,

Please name me another All Star in the NBA that would not be critisized if they did not hit their season average in the playoffs, and their shooting percentage dropped tremedously.. I also happened to be sitting very close to the floor during the Milwakee series, actually harassing Kurt Thomas for all of those home playoff games, and lets just say that saying he got punked is the nice way of saying it. If there is any way to go back and look at those games, please watch how Kurt Thomas was always talking to someone whenever he was standing on the on the free throw line. Let’s just say that him calling Al soft was a nice way to put it. It starts with a P. I know you are a little older, but if you punk someone on the basketball court today, it means you get in their head, keep them from doing what they do well, take their heart, have them looking like a deer in headlights, and trust me when I tell you, Kurt Thomas did that. So, no me saying that he got punked was not a stretch, and Dwight Howard has punked him as well. He wants nothing to do with Dwight anymore. Early in his career he would at least try to defend him, now we will use Josh before we use Al (LOL). After all of this, I still like Al, and his game, but I have to call a spade, a spade. Al is an All Star, and should be improving his game in the playoffs, not playing worse. See Zach Randolph.

DHD

November 30th, 2011
6:18 pm

This was very informative. NOT

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
6:28 pm

vava & Mary Ellen

My Laimbeer point;
-clearly- at least I thought ? ? ?,
was to point out his face up shooting from 12 – 18 ft.

Mary Ellen had responded to that point from a previous post !

At this time, I’m making that clear !
They play Center & they are very good face up shooters;
which is their strngth,
my point being play to your strength [offensively].

I f – I’ m – n o t – m a k i n g – m y s e l f – c l e a r – I’ l l,
s p e a k – e v e n – s l o w e r.

____________________________________________

That last part was for vava ’cause I’m scared of the Black Momba (sic)

Rufus1

November 30th, 2011
6:28 pm

MC

You sounded slightly impressed with the Hawks performance in the playoffs…..Was I hearing thing correctly?

Rod from College Park

November 30th, 2011
6:36 pm

For those that critisize Josh for his defense, please see the picture above. That does not look like a weakside block to me. Please notice who he was checking. For all the heat he takes on this blog, and in the media, I can truly say, that I have never seen a better shot blocker at 6-8 or 6-9 in my life (maybe Dr. J, but I was young then) than Josh Smith. I really think some of you forget how many shots he blocked, changed, or disrupted in the early part of his career. I have literally seen Josh Smith totally shut down Pau Gasol, when he played for Memphis early in his career, and have many teams scared to come in the paint similar to what Dikembe did when he was here. When some say that all he does is get weakside blocks, you really have no idea how big a block is in the realm of basketball, and how difficult it is, and how rare it is. The guy is already # 53 all time in the history of the NBA in blocks, and nobody his size 6-8, 6-9 is above him except Dr. J. All of the other guys are mostly centers. and true power forwards. He is only 38 blocks behind Dwight Howard for his career.
Does he make bonehead decisions? Should he stop shooting 3’s? Should he stop complaining to Refs? Yes. But some of you who make these ignorant comments, that Al is a better all around defender, and Marvin is a better defender (LOL), need to really think about what you are typing before you type. Marvin or Horford don’t have the versatlity to be able to guard from the 2 to the 5 that Josh does, neither guy poses any threat from stopping you at the rim, they can’t steal the ball like Josh can, and they don’t intimidate anyone that they are guarding. Please think before you type. If you have the ability to hate, you also have the ability to give credit. If I could find something the give Marvin credit for, other than the 4 to 5 games a year, that he plays good in, I would.

#Let'sGoHawks!

November 30th, 2011
6:36 pm

good way to beat around the bush..

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
6:38 pm

Rod,

“Please name me another All Star in the NBA that would not be critisized if they did not hit their season average in the playoffs, and their shooting percentage dropped tremedously”

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t think he’s above criticism whatsoever. But now we’re talking about last season (where his % dropped from .557 to .423).

And I was wrong when I posted 15.3 as his scoring avg. That was for last year. In 09-10 he averaged 14.2 during the season, so he actually DID raise his avg.in the MIL series, though not by much.

And you may remember that I was as critical of him last postseason as anyone on the blog, save Vava.

But in 09-10 his % only dropped slightly, and he rebounded and blocked shots at a higher rate than the season, so yes, despite your description of Thomas being “in his head”, he STILL manged to be productive (unlike last postseason). THAT was my point. Punked or not, he was productive in that MIL series. If he had at least played that way against CHI, we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Oh, and by the way, Al’s blocked shots avg. and total in the 09-10 postseason was exactly the same as Josh (1.7 / gm – 19 BS in 11 games for both).

Rod, I totally agree with your last statement, that he should be raising his game come playoff time.
Let’s hope he has another chance in the spring.

Wabe

November 30th, 2011
6:41 pm

Let me preview what the FA period will be like for the Hawks…

And the Hawks sign…………………..nobody worth the name.

It happens every year. We end up speculating about all these names. We need bigs, we need wing-players, and then we end up watching all the guys who could potentially help this club get snatched up and we end up opting for the bottom of the barrel players.

Ra'mon

November 30th, 2011
6:44 pm

I feel the Hawks should attempt to unload Horford, before teams really found out how limited his game is. Other than his mid range jumper, what can you really say is improving for Horford? As a rookie contract player, Horford is a great bargain. But as a $12 mil a season player, Al will soon become an overpaid, undersized C, but unathletic PF. He’s an all NBA player right now, so move him now! If a deal of Al and Kirk’s expiring contract brought a super star, than make the deal happen now!

Slimjr

November 30th, 2011
6:50 pm

If Al played in the Western conference, his talents would not be AllStar material…He would not even be mention in the same breath as a candidate…

Aldridge is 2x> than Allstar Al “leave the rim uncheck for layups by point guards” and he did not make the Western Allstar team………………………..

Slimjr

November 30th, 2011
6:53 pm

DeAndre Jordan! DeAndre Jordan! Get him in here asap!

Section 303

November 30th, 2011
6:53 pm

Ahh…I love it! I have no doubt the Lockout is over now! Blog members are back to ripping Josh (I do this all the time), Al (really?), and nameless free agents the Hawks have not even signed, yet.

Let the games begin!

Slimjr

November 30th, 2011
6:54 pm

FIRE RICK SUND! A mediocre GM for 31+ years! Blah Blah Blah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
6:57 pm

Ramon,

I guess maybe I see Al for what he HAS rather than what he lacks. Lots of intangibles. I personally think that last year’s playoffs were an aberration, but we’ll see soon I guess.

That said, if we could get D12 for a package including Al, I’m all in.

But if he starts the season the way he ended last year, his value WILL certainly drop.

Slimjr

November 30th, 2011
7:00 pm

ALL NBA AL is the most overrated Eastern Conference Allstar by a long shot!

Get rid of da bum while he still has tremendous value…

Grandmaster JeJe

November 30th, 2011
7:01 pm

Excellent post, Rod from CP.

It further reinforces the fact you are one of the best posters on here. I will try get that tape.

I remember someone yelled at Kurt Thomas “KEEP SHOOTING!”, he hit a shot, then looked at the guy and said “I will!”

Something like that

Grandmaster JeJe

November 30th, 2011
7:01 pm

There’s a strong chance Horford makes the All Star team as a center again and Joe DOES NOT make it. Deron and Melo are now in the East, people…

Grandmaster JeJe

November 30th, 2011
7:03 pm

Rod, did Horf say anything back to Kurt? Prob not

LOL

trooper

November 30th, 2011
7:04 pm

nate robinson will be bought out by okc and be free agent chance to replace jamal

Slimjr

November 30th, 2011
7:06 pm

Pretty Boy wants to play PF? A freaking Joke of this decade!

Rod from College Park

November 30th, 2011
7:08 pm

Sautee,

Don’t get me wrong, Al is solid. But if Josh or his dad starting saying things in the media like I should be playing power forward, you would never hear the end of it. I think Ra’mon said it best. Al was a great player on a rookie contract, but 12 mil a year for a guy who is a all star player in the regular season, and then does not step up his game in the playoffs, and has zero post moves as a PF or C is a bit steep. Knowing the hard worker that he is, hopefully he has been working on that this offseason. Maybe he will improve his post game like he did hid jump shot. I hope so.

briggy

November 30th, 2011
7:11 pm

grandad horford and laimbeer similar players but laimbeer and those pitons teams brutalized people physically horford has never played like laimbeer defensively defense is all about effort and laimbeer intimidated people horford not that type of player one thing have said probem is coaching roles are not defined on this team with ld i dont love woodson but they played and horford much better defense under woodson. i also thin chis p choices will be ny, la, atl,orl.

briggy

November 30th, 2011
7:13 pm

mc do u know how much hawks will be under the cap at end of this season

Rod from College Park

November 30th, 2011
7:17 pm

Grandmaster JeJe,

“Rod, did Horf say anything back to Kurt? Prob not”

No. He just had that deer in the headlights look. That what started to change my opinion on him a little bit. Made me keep an eye on him. He has become a much nicer Al, and a much better jump shooter since then.

cp

November 30th, 2011
7:18 pm

@Wabe. Yea that’s how it will probably go too. The Hawks will get some guy past his prime or a guy who was never any good and try to spin it as a guy with big game experience as if the Hawks fans dont know any better. There will be some guys available who can really help this team but I dont see this front office spending the money to get them.

briggy

November 30th, 2011
7:22 pm

hawks fans who would u rather have at pf reggie evans or horford?also big problem look it up nba winners have always had a post player hawks have no one maybe jj maybe hawks best postup player and that is sad. big reason why horford and smith take jumpshots they need to be directed to keep themselves inside the paint for rebounds and putbacks. why cant horford become a player like antonio davis was for the pacers?

Rod from College Park

November 30th, 2011
7:22 pm

By the way, Kurt Thomas is one of the best S@&# talkers I have heard. I have heard Jordan, Nick van Exel, Reggie Miller and Kobe, but they were very arogant with it. Kurt Thomas really has fun with it, and plays to the crowd. He made those playoff games fun taliking stuff to the crowd.

drmaryb .[*_*].

November 30th, 2011
7:30 pm

The Unsellables!

Astro Joe, I’m about as sick as I can be about that Meruelo deal. I only got excited today, when I heard CP3 had Atlanta on his short list. That’s what got me revved up!

I really hope The ASKG are looking for a buyer, but I heard they pulled that last deal off the table. Any idea why they did that? I was pinning it on Stern this morning, but I can’t find any leaky threads on what happened.

Did Alex just not have the money? If not, why did the investment people present hus offer and let it go to a press conference? What a tease! What a mess!

I’m just sick with these owners, I can only hope they spend some money while these two superstars are becoming available … Why not? They ain’t got nothing better to do. Why wouldn’t a new owner want a winner?

Big Dog

November 30th, 2011
7:34 pm

I dont think its a smart comparison Al vs Laimbeer. I mean really? Ok lets think about this rationally. If
Al faced Bill underneath the basket what would happen?… Al would go out to the perimeter and shoot from the small forward position.

End of story.

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
7:35 pm

Man Crush;

-I Think Not-

I’m a retired Coach who still consults in Player Evaluation.
[somewhat smaller scale - but not much]

Let us get a few things straight:
I’ve criticized Josh, but qualified it with “always”(always){always}
saying I like Josh.

I’ve been Joe’s biggest critic, yet I cannot remember stooping to
“Jr High” potty mouth desciptions of his play.
I’ve been harsh but tried to remain grown up in my critique.
[I'm sorry but "Diaper Al' is not gonna catch on]

If I’ve been low brow and boorish with Joe / I apologize.
(save for the occasional attempt at obvious humor)

Maybe that’s what you are doing ?

I’ve been equally harsh with Marv …
however, he mostly just pisses me off and I get over it.

If I suggest a joe, Josh, or Marv trade – it does not mean that
I do not support them as long as they are Hawks.
recently I’ve been throwing Zaza’s name out in trade scenarios;
however Zaza remains one of my favorite Hawks, and I would miss
the Big fella.

vava
Your acrimony toward Al is to the point,
that I think you wish for him to fail.

northcyde
I say to you right now – having been a critic of Joe-
I wish for him to succeed and for the Hawks to win.
I speak to nc because he and I have debated Joe in the past.

I am a Hawks fan covering their entire span in Atlanta, Ga.
Having coverted over from the Celtics in the mid 60’s !

Go Hawks;
Al, Josh, Joe, Teaguer, Capt Kirk, Marv, Zaza, et al !!!!!

drmaryb .[*_*].

November 30th, 2011
7:37 pm

Hot Rod!

Hey Rod from CP! Wassup baby? Re: what you said:
“Maybe he will improve his post game like he did hid jump shot. I hope so.”
_______________

O’Brien posted last season that Al said, he was gonna’ work on his 3 point shot next! OMG! I hope he does work on his low post game offensively and defensively.

Rod from College Park

November 30th, 2011
7:51 pm

drmaryb,

I pray he changed his mind. If he does that, we really will be an all jump shooting team, except for our point guard (Teague), that’s if Drew decides to let him play this year. LOL

drmaryb .[*_*].

November 30th, 2011
7:54 pm

We Won!

The only thing I remember about those two Milwaukee series is that:

We WON!

Once with Woodson and once with Drew. What else is there to say?

drmaryb .[*_*].

November 30th, 2011
7:56 pm

* Once with Woodson in round 1 and the regular season with Drew.

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
7:57 pm

Briggy (is that you Jerry?)

“why cant horford become a player like antonio davis was for the pacers?”

While I DID admire AD’s game, to me Horford offers more, even at his measly last year’s playoff numbers. Keep in mind that last year in the playoffs, Al FELL to .423% in FG%, which was abysmal compared to his season (.557%). Davis’ career % is just .448, and he stayed closer to the basket for the most part than Al. Davis would have had better overall numbers had he not been mostly splitting time with Dale Davis. So his career MPG is only 28.9, lower than Al’s 33.8. But the shooting % (which was one of Rod’s salient points) is not affected by # of minutes, unless you are a bench scrub, which neither is / was.

Anyway, my take is that Al already IS a player like Davis. Better possibly. BUT, and Ramon is correct in this, is NOT currently worth $12M. He’s got to step it up to be worthy of his contract. But I’d argue the same for Joe and Josh as well, perhaps to a lesser degree, since their playoff performances weren’t as egregious as Al’s.

Another GM

November 30th, 2011
8:07 pm

No use to get excited about the free agency period. The Hawks will sign a player for the vet minimum. If your excited, disappointment awaits you in mid december.

Slimjr

November 30th, 2011
8:12 pm

Agreed.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Remember Sund is the GM right? Cant change a leopards spots….

briggy

November 30th, 2011
8:15 pm

sautee yes it is me but davis antonio and dale played much better defense than horford

drmaryb .[*_*].

November 30th, 2011
8:25 pm

Gear-On Up!

Of all the 8 feces throwing orangutans, aka: ASKG … I hope Gearon JR steps up his worth! He said on 680 The Fan last Summer that he would go into the luxury tax for the right player and then mentioned LeBron’s name.

Oh yeah, Gear-On JR did get a “Stern Fine” for tampering. LOL! Here’s my point: will ASKG still go into luxury tax territory for a Super Star like CP3? One can only hope.

Aye Sund! Give up 3 first rounders (they’ll be in the teens anyway) if they’re lottery picks? Yawl will mess those up anyway … Give it away!!!

On this team, CP3 would average 15-20 dimes per night.

FreshFromATL

November 30th, 2011
8:31 pm

Welp! I see the blog is back to normal, lol.

Big Dog

November 30th, 2011
8:31 pm

I think a better caparison for Al would be Manute Bol or Jon Koncak…No, Hes not a Bill Laimbeer.

Buddy Grizzard

November 30th, 2011
8:31 pm

Buddy Grizzard
May 25th, 2011
5:13 am

Al is actually our most attractive trade asset. You will never get value for Josh because he’s so talented but there are too many questions about his attitude. Some writer with ESPN tweeted that teams low-balled the Hawks with offers for Josh when they dangled him for trades this year.

Meanwhile, All-NBA Al is a two-time All-Star with a value contract. He has zero character issues and is highly overrated. Best trade chip we have.

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
8:46 pm

briggy,

“davis antonio and dale played much better defense than horford”

I’ll disagree, but it’s close enough to say it’s splitting hairs for me. There had to be SOME reason that the coaches gave Horford votes on the All-Defensive team (more than Josh!).

I’m astounded that the folks on the blog go SOOOOO overboard regarding his faults, but we live in a “what have you done for me lately” society, and his playoff performance deserved scorn. Which he certainly got from me.

I realize he sometimes looks AWFUL trying for a block near the basket, but his on body defense is actually very good. Or else all those coaches are seeing things. And I have to think that, though we are all Bball lovers here, and we DO have a smart group of posters, still the coaches are the ones who see this level of talent, effort, and awareness on a daily basis, and therefore have a better idea of who deserves awards. I also believe that coaches tend to reward players with a lot of “intangibles”, and Al has that in spades.

jhan

November 30th, 2011
8:51 pm

If Bill Laimbeer had to play in today’s NBA he would not be nearly as productive. He would foul out of every game by hafltime.

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
8:52 pm

Buddy,

I agree that he’s the best chip.

But only if we get a starting center in return. Otherwise, who plays the 5?

I can’t see a Zaza / Benson / Twin rotation carrying us very far. Thoughts?

Grandmaster JeJe

November 30th, 2011
8:56 pm

LOL Rod. Drop some lines on what some of those cats have said. Maybe Nick will teach Teague. I remember Jennings came here last year and let JT0 have it

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
9:02 pm

Buddy,

One more thing… can you explain how Al is “highly overrated”, but yet has a “value contract”?

Seems to me that a “value contract” means that one would easily get their money’s worth, and IF that’s the case, can he also be “highly overrated”?

But my mind works differently from many, so please “splain” it to me.

doc

November 30th, 2011
9:12 pm

man it is sooo good to see activity on the blog. the guys are back including sautee … nice. however, tired of talking about it and want to see some action. section 303 hope you arent disappointed on the 9th dude which i guess will qualify as action. this aint your version of the falcons, blank and demetrof doing the bidding,

Worldwide Clyde

November 30th, 2011
9:13 pm

We been waiting 4 years for the Hawks to upgrade their roster. What makes you think they are going to do it this year.

#don’tgetyourhopesuptoohighhawksfans

doc

November 30th, 2011
9:17 pm

i guess the birds MC is following are not th falcons or hawks but the red cards from louisville?

corydillinger

November 30th, 2011
9:18 pm

Hey MC been hearing a lot about a possible trade for Chris Paul is it possible something could happen for Teague and Marvin Williams?

brigadierjerry

November 30th, 2011
9:19 pm

drmaryb, grandad,

It is true if Laimbeer and Oakley and those guys played today they would’ve fouled out in about 10 minutes. The game has turned into finesse and the riles have been changed much like how the NFL has changed into a finesse league.

I like Horford and Smith as players I just think they would be so much more effective if they had some sort of back to the basket game.

Question for you guys, would you take Chris Paul for a rental even if there was a risk he may not re-sign with the Hawks and you only had to give up Smith or Horford and maybe Zaza and Marvin and a pick?

Also what do you guys think of Caron Butler who is available and Nate Robinson who is getting bought out by Okc.

drmaryb .[*_*].

November 30th, 2011
9:19 pm

MIA!

I pray and hope someone can call Ken Strickland and give him our love and thoughts. Perhaps Sautee? Tell him we love him and we just wanna’ know:

WHERE IS THE LOGIC?

Air Zaza

November 30th, 2011
9:26 pm

CP3 and Okafor

for

Smith, Teague, Zaza, and Hinrich

Slimjr

November 30th, 2011
9:28 pm

Horford=Matty Melt Ryan… Good, but not good enough @ their critical positions….

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
9:32 pm

briggy,

“I like Horford and Smith as players I just think they would be so much more effective if they had some sort of back to the basket game.”

Co-freakin’ sign.

As I said in the spring, I’d love for Al and Josh to have played one on one all summer using only their off hands, and within ten feet of the basket. No dunking, so they would have to learn to be creative near the rim.

As for your other questions…as much as I love CP3, no one year rental for me.

And I’d guess we’d have to amnesty Marvin to get Caron, and I don’t see the ASG doing that. I do like Caron’s toughness, though.

Slimjr

November 30th, 2011
9:35 pm

Marvin for DeAndre Jordan..He plays the 5…..Throw in some draft picks and a stiff too…

Marvin’s not a stiff yet?lol

Astro Joe

November 30th, 2011
9:38 pm

Guys have been patient with Josh for 7 seasons yet rip on Al for one disappointing season. Whatever. If the game were only about physical attributes, Javale McGee would be an All-Star and Gerald Green would be in the league.

My guess is the ASG will continue to operate the team like it is a furnished apartment that they are renting. They may change the color of the bathroom rugs, but I wouldn’t expect them to be tearing down any walls. It will take new ownership to make a “franchise-changing” move.

Slimjr

November 30th, 2011
9:38 pm

“always heard Paul is mad because the Hawks told him they were going to draft him and he was ready to come. not sure if he’s still mad about that.”

Yea I’m still mad too Chris..How dare they draft the “Great and Never Late” Marvin Williams instead of you???

Billy Knight must have been off his rocker………

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
9:39 pm

Slimjr

You are right sir.

Only about 25 teams in the NFL would love to have -him-.
*[Matty Ice]

Mike is back

November 30th, 2011
9:41 pm

Good for you Grandad, we are all Hawks fans…hence the reason we blog on a Hawks blog…save for TROLLS.heh heh

Dude U GOT a lil jazzy during the lockout bro…but we know that wasn’t U…we know some troll had high jacked your moniker.lol

To the blog crew…C’mon MAN…anybody looking for SUND and ASG to veer from their strategy in FA…has been drinking way too much…kool-aide…I’m looking for more bottom feeders…JUSTS resign Damien…please don’t screw that up.

The ASG took a shot @ us on blog…BUT they know they are still looking to sell team…only these guys could screw up the sale of the Hawks jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.

I feel even worst for Thrasher’s fans…had the BASG stay consistence…the ATL would still have a Hockey too…again jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.lol

Anyway, still a Hawks fans…it’s in my DNA.

Astro Joe

November 30th, 2011
9:41 pm

Slim, I think the Clippers will trade Kamen and keep Jordan, he is a much better fit with Blake than Kamen.

doc

November 30th, 2011
9:42 pm

@MC, glad you been enjoying being gone because the time here has been missed tremendously. glad your vacation and cardinal bird watching is over.

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
9:55 pm

I…A M…G O I N G,,, T O… S P E A K…L O U D…A N D… …
S L O W L Y…L I S T E N… C A R E F U L L Y…;;;
I,,,S A I D…A L…&…L A I M B E E R…H A D…T W O…
T H I N G S…C O M P A R I B L E…1…T H E Y…P L A Y E… …
C E N T E R…&…2…T H E Y…A R E / W E R E…F A C E – U P…
S H O O T E R S…!

Was that a bit easier to comprehend.

Those were the only areas in which I attempted to make the comparison.

____________________________________________

For my next project;
I wish to compare the similarities between:
Mugsy Bogues v Mark Eaton

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
9:55 pm

MC,

Thanks for the info. I’m sure that you’ll have a story soon about “what I did on my extended summer vacation” for all the returnees.

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
9:57 pm

Grandad,

In addition, both players had a full set of intangibles.

Oh wait, I said that too fast. heh heh.

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
9:59 pm

* P L A Y E…C E N T E R… …*

*THE…D…disappeared.

*joke – kinda like Al’s did in the play-offs

*now see – I can make fun of my own self & Al @ the same time.

Slimjr

November 30th, 2011
9:59 pm

“For my next project;
I wish to compare the similarities between:
Mugsy Bogues v Mark Eaton”

Grandad got Jokes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO………………

brigadierjerry

November 30th, 2011
10:00 pm

Grandad,

Would you take a one year rental on Chris Paul and if you had to give up horford or Smith but get back Okafor would you go for it?

Astro Joe

November 30th, 2011
10:04 pm

Grandad, I think it is against every blog-comparison law to liken players from different races. I think that created some of the mass confusion… you broke every blog law known to mankind. You should have compared Horford to Bob Lanier.

brigadierjerry

November 30th, 2011
10:06 pm

I will say this about Dwight Howard before I post it on Schultz blog. Do I like Howard and want him on my team?Yes but I will say this He’s dominating because of the lack of Centers in the NBA.

All of the previous dominating Centers have won a Championship: Shaq,Duncan,Hakeem,Jabbar and WIlt. This dude hasn’t won jack chit yet. He’s just a big overgrown baby who likes to pound the rock and have everyone stop and watch him dunk. He ain’t ever winning a championship… yeah I said it!

He couldn’t carry Kareem’s jock strap… Tim Duncan was 1000x the player Dwight howard is. He’s only in the NBA because of his size, period.Dwight Howard wouldn’t even be a guaranteed starter 15 years ago

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
10:06 pm

S a u t e e

i n t a n g i b l e s ;

Are you sure, that each one,
had both their intangibles ?

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
10:09 pm

brigadierjerry

Right on !

“Better living through chemistry”

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
10:12 pm

Grandad,

I misspoke, or should I say, mistyped. Laimbeer lost one of his intangibles in the late-eighties when the refs got wise to his flopping, so he didn’t really have a full set.

Sautee

November 30th, 2011
10:16 pm

Jerry,

If D12 were on my team, I’d have him playing a Ben Wallace role (but obviously better), and he’d be the 4th option on offense. He’s way too unpolished offensively to dominate his way to a ring. But he’d be a heck of a stopper on D.

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
10:23 pm

A J

You are so right.

How could eye be so [color] blind.

However,
Bob Lanier was a lefty,
think of the political inferences some may have drawn ?

Man;
Bob Lanier -Underated- as an all-time great.

I could never put Any current NBA Big man in his size 22 shoes.

If he were playing right now;
they would have to have “One CBA” prrovision
just to pay the man.

He would be the best in the game today.

Yet when he played – he was overshadowed.

Dwight – please.

A J; Thanks again for making me remember the lefty hook.
I think I remember him more for playing at St Bonaventure.

Big Dog

November 30th, 2011
10:24 pm

D.Howard has made it clear that Josh is his boy, they roll together and have the talent to take the hawks to the highest. If they get their wish they will play with full intensity and absolutely expect to win. There is a reason they tape so many commercials together. They’ve been buddies all their lives. Let them play together like they want to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rVIU8fJQ8w

http://atlanta.sbnation.com/atlanta-hawks/2011/8/11/2358262/dwight-howard-adidas-commercial-josh-smith

Mike is back

November 30th, 2011
10:29 pm

AJ, U still tha mane folk…can I get a reprieve on Josh…like Freddy Jackson saID…for ole time sake.lol

Astro Joe

November 30th, 2011
10:34 pm

Reggie Evans or Chuck Hayes would be good adds if the Hawks actually wanted to spend more than $800K on a FA (I know, a silly thought). More than likely, any frustrations with Josh will be ignored as his likely back-ups will be Benson or Rolle. Maybe we could get Solo Jones back in here for <$1M… he could teach those other guys how to be a marginal rail-thin NBA player.

Grandad, Lanier was slightly ahead of my time, I just recalled that he was very, very good from outside while still being a very good low post defender and rebounder.

brigadierjerry

November 30th, 2011
10:36 pm

MC, I read somewhere Hawks were talking to agents in regards to the below players Kurt Thomas. Jeff Foster, Grant Hill, Caron Butler, Do you know if any of this is true?Would be good to offer them one year deals

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
10:41 pm

Another way to get Paul & Okafor:

N.O. gets:
Joe, Josh, Teaguer, Zaza

Atl gets:
CP3 & Okafor + Patrick Ewing jr

Okafor’s contract is not as obtrusive as once was.
We shed Joe’s contract
Joe plays relatively near LR Ark
Joe will provide a little “s” superstar for N.O.
that will help their city a bit.
Zaza balance losing Okafor somewhat for N.O.
Teaguer = pg of the future for that city
and who knows, maybe Josh grows up and becomes a SS over there.

Just Win / Win Baby !!

Big Dog

November 30th, 2011
10:42 pm

Al horford reminds me a lot of center Erwin Mueller.Of course Erwin Mueller in fact I cant figure out who would win if those two played 1 on 1 ….

I guess it would be a toss up with neither man wanting to defend the basket. I guess if you do the math Horford would probably get the best of Mueller

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
10:47 pm

A J

I got your drift. (I understood) I only mean’t to enhance

I saw Lanier alot.

He was sooooo good !

Yes he could face up.
plus:
*lefty hook
*defend
*rebound
*tough
*he was tall, long, and Big
*a winner
*a class act if I remember
*in the pros;
didn’t have the supporting cast.
*A “classic” Center

Grandmaster JeJe

November 30th, 2011
10:51 pm

MC, you get to see the players tomorrow, right?

Let us know if Horford has put on any muscle and if about Marvin – if his horrendous back is upright now.

Also, I’ve asked this a few times but maybe I missed an answer, but if someone like B.Roy were to be amnestied then signed by a team, what type of contract would he expect?

I would not amnesty anyone on this team. ASG cannot afford it (although few people have mentioned the fact that they no longer have the Thrashers to worry about)

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
10:51 pm

Big Dog

-refresh my memory-

(1) Who the heck is Erwin Mueller ?
-&-
(2) How many all-star games did -he- play in ?
[rec league don't count]

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
10:52 pm

Brandon Roy has “paper mache” knees !!

doc

November 30th, 2011
10:59 pm

@mc was marvin sitting up straight one inch higher after his surgery?

i too, took more than a passing interest in ncaa football this year, more so than in the past five years it seems. man i hate to think i am watching with humor should uga upset the tigers just to make again a farce out of the “championship” game and the crowning of another mythical ncaa div 1 champion. odd of me to have followed the football standings through the year as it is a postive waste of energy.

i am also taking interest in the lawsuit against the filthy rich ncaa regarding head injuries that could loom large for all football programs going forward. the liability issues that might come of it could ultimately put a lot of pressure on any football from pee wee up. the brain isnt any safer in a helmet at the age of 7 as it is in your thirties as one ding can be a life long devastating injury. interesting article in the ny times today on the subject.

maybe since lanier played for buffalo, wasnt it, for so many years he qualified as white aj?

Big Dog

November 30th, 2011
11:00 pm

Grandad where you at boooy? I see your point, Al score 2 points in his last allstar game, and Erwin did not. Thats why I give the edge to Al 2 to 0

Hey, How bout a little trout sandwich?

OK last one…. trout sandwich ya’ll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKHUaTIsPjM&feature=related

doc

November 30th, 2011
11:02 pm

aj “Grandad, Lanier was slightly ahead of my time”

damn gdad, that young whipper snapper, aj, is trying to age us or something.

brigadierjerry

November 30th, 2011
11:06 pm

Granddad,

Dont forget Dave Cowens as well as you know being a Celtic fan. Also saw some reports in regards to new CBA and Hawks

ATLANTA HAWKS
How it helps: The Hawks just got a giant insurance policy on the massive Joe Johnson contract, greatly limiting the downside of one of the league’s most questionable deals. The Hawks now have the luxury of using the amnesty on Johnson if and when the 30-year-old shows signs of slippage from his All-Star level (which will be at least another year down the line).

How it hurts: Atlanta has $66 million committed to just seven players and no appetite for paying the luxury tax. With a $70 million tax level and no contract rollbacks, the Hawks will have to fill out the roster with minimum contracts unless they can work a trade.

Immediate impact (this season): Par for the course. Atlanta will lose Jamal Crawford in free agency, sign some veterans around the edges and try to go 45-37 and lose in the second round again. The only potential game-changer would be a Josh Smith trade.

Long-term impact (future seasons): Let’s see what the revenue-sharing deal looks like. Despite one of the NBA’s best arenas, the Hawks franchise right now is something of a money pit, and a weary ownership group is searching in vain for the exit. If revenue sharing is based mostly on market size they’ll get little help on this front, despite being a low-revenue team. If so, they’d almost be better off joining the Thrashers in Winnipeg.

Big Dog

November 30th, 2011
11:08 pm

Erwin L. Mueller (born March 12, 1944) is a retired American basketball player. A 6′8″ forward/center,he attended the University of San Francisco where he was All-Coast, All Conference & All-America and was selected by the Chicago Bulls in the second round (10th pick overall) of the 1966 NBA Draft.

During his first season, Mueller averaged 12.7 points per game for the Bulls and earned NBA All-Rookie Team honors. He was traded midway through his second season to the LA Lakers for Jim Barnes and a draft choice on January 9, 1968. Mueller would return to the Bulls for the start of the 68-69 season by way of another trade through the Lakers sending Keith Erickson to LA for Erwin on September 23, 1968. However his tenure in Chicago would not last through the season. On January 31, 1969 Mueller was traded to the Seattle Supersonics for a draft choice and cash.

In his seven season (1966–1973) NBA career, he also played for the Los Angeles Lakers, Seattle SuperSonics, and Detroit Pistons and scored 3,248 total points

Melvin

November 30th, 2011
11:17 pm

I would love to see Josh do this much dunking in a real game with a Hawks uniform on….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=3eomAsZ-evE

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
11:24 pm

Thanks Big dog;

No disrespect intended,
but I ain’t been nobody’s boy
since my daddy took off when I was 10.

[man ought not leave his wife of 25 yrs for a wh@re]

I’m sure you didn’t intend any.

I swear If i ever heard of Mueller, I cannot remember him.

Thanks again.

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
11:25 pm

I just learned you cannot say wh@re on this blog.

Grandad

November 30th, 2011
11:26 pm

Unless U misspell it.

Big Dog

November 30th, 2011
11:27 pm

what is this some kid of bond between Josh and Dwight? Why are they making so many commercials together?

Check this out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akYUPWnMAz8&feature=related

Big Dog

November 30th, 2011
11:28 pm

Sorry about your father. Hey, buy you came out ok right?

Big Dog

November 30th, 2011
11:40 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wkn01olV9I&feature=fvwrel

Nate ArchiBALL

December 1st, 2011
12:01 am

All I want for Christmas is the NBA……….
I can’t stand watching Division I basketball……It’s horrible.

Grandad

December 1st, 2011
12:06 am

Big Dog

Don’t feel sorry for me.
I had the world’s greatest ever single working mom.
[at least for me, in those times, where we lived]

I married a saint and an angel combination.
[who else could have put up with me for 40 yrs]

We had the 3 best young-uns in the world.
[even though two of the three took after me]-(bless their heart)

Two fantastic grand-kids.

Coached for over 30 years / my profession of choice.
I loved every split second of it.

Man I’ve been blessed beyond what I deserve.

But thanks anyway !!

Grandmaster JeJe

December 1st, 2011
12:24 am

Blazers will offer Pryzbilla the vet min. We can do better

waltbellamyfan

December 1st, 2011
12:26 am

Love all the Bob Lanier talk. He was a real force on offense from medium range and in the paint. He was one of a number of great post players from that era. Quite a contrast from what passes for a center in the current NBA.

Laimbeer maximized his ability but I always despised him because the Pistons were always thwarting the Hawks in the 80s.

Erwin Mueller? Al may have his faults but that comparison is less than fair.

Fire Sund. Overthrow the evil ASG.

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
12:53 am

Why the Hawks Have a 25% chance at CP3….

1. He has stated he will only go to certain teams, so most team won’t even offer.
2.The knick won’t offer a trade because they are waiting.
3. He is going to leave N.O. so they have to get something.
4.The Hawks are one of the few teams he could go to and be a title contender.
5. We can offer the best package to N.O. and still be a title contender. (We won 50 games without CP3)

(I would trade Teague and Kirk for the 1 year rental, because I think we would go to the finals and hope that is enough for him to re-sign.)
Teague- Good, cheap young PG
Kirk – 9mill expiring contract

75% why we won’t get him….

DAVID STERN CONTROLS THE HORNETS and the league is slanted toward certain teams.

Grandad

December 1st, 2011
1:52 am

Rufus

You may have the one and only reason we will not get him.

If Stern would only realize the NBA TV mkt in ATL is enough that
he should take the shackles off our franchise,
then maybe Chris Paul could land here.

Sund will not make it happen;
* But *
Agents & Chris Paul himself may be the driving force
to see the trade through.

Honestly;
I think, (one man’s opinion) Paul himself would want to keep Al.
[rather than Josh]

Another point;
Hinrich stays, as we cannot afford to lose him.
If ‘n we were to make this fantasy trade we would kneed (sic)
Capn Kirk for kneeeded (sic) insurance.
Plus he’s our back-up @ the [2].

To make salaries work:
Josh & or Al + Teague + one must be in the pkg.
Marv and Capn Kirk make too much $.
That’s why Zaza’s salary fits perfectly.

If we traded Al over Josh;
* from -our- standpoint *
-forget the Al vs Josh bias-
We control Al at $12 mil per for 5 yrs.
Josh is a UFA in two yrs @ $12 & $13 per.
They are the same age,
*(Josh 6 months the elder)
but Josh has more tread on his tires.
*[jumpers / leapers knees] & he’s been playing on them overweight.

* So *

Once again from our perspective,
[plus Al is slightly bigger (taller)]
and can play Center.
Al is the better choice for us to keep.

____________________________________________

-remembering all the while that I like Josh-

northcyde

December 1st, 2011
3:43 am

Enter your comments here

vava74

December 1st, 2011
4:08 am

brigadierjerry

November 30th, 2011
11:06 pm

That “report” is so precise that it is still projecting a win-loss record based on a 82 game season…

vava74

December 1st, 2011
4:12 am

Grandad,

“Honestly;
I think, (one man’s opinion) Paul himself would want to keep Al.
[rather than Josh]”

I think you are wrong.

Paul, as PG, would value Josh’s ability to erase his (Paul’s) defensive mistakes in the perimeter with his swats AND his ability to finish strong at the rim RATHER than Al’s almost exclusive pick ‘n pop game.

northcyde

December 1st, 2011
4:17 am

Honestly . . I think a lot of the criticism of Horford comes from the fact that we’ve all been told that he’d be this dynamic player if he ever got a chance to play PF for an extended period of time. Well, in the Orlando series, that very thing happened. And if you go back and watch those games, you’d see 2 distinct things

1) the opposing PF ( whether it be Brandon Bass or Taj Gibson ) was not just sitting back giving Horford wide open jumpshots when he was 17 feet out. They would actually step out and challenge the shot, unlike most centers that Al goes up against, and simply let him shoot the shot uncontested.

2) It was obvious that Al was ineffective trying to create his shot vs playoff caliber PFs and Cs. Not only could he not create his own shot, he couldn’t draw fouls either.

When a person talks about Horford, and his game getting to that next level, these two things must be addressed before he even remotely reaches that point. As much as everyone talks about and knows that JJ doesn’t get to the FT line nearly enough, that point DEFINITELY pertains to Horford.

Because he plays out on the perimeter so much, and because he doesn’t have fluent moves in the post, he doesn’t draw nearly enough fouls ( especially for a big man ). If Al had the “banger’s mentality” of a Zaza, he’d get to the line 6 – 8 times a game and MIGHT be a 20 ppg scorer, and even possibly the UNDISPUTED best player on the Hawks.

As of right now though, he’s not even close to that. He doesn’t want to do that, even if he played PF. The only way Al reaches that level, is if he had a Steve Nash/Deron Williams type PG feeding him the ball whenever he was open. If Al is going to be camping out by the 3 point line, that’s just going to expose the Hawks even further as a poor rebounding team. LOL . . our 2 best rebounders will jack up 250 threes this year. Unless Marvin is going to be gobbling up those long rebounds, that’s a recipe for disaster for this team.

With most of the fan focus of negativity on JJ, Smith, Bibby, and Marvin . . Horford has been relatively treated with kid gloves in his first 4 years in the league by most Hawk fans. But last season’s playoffs kind of exposed that dude. IF his post game doesn’t dramatically improve this year, he’s ( offensively ) basically going to be a more athletic verson of Mehmet Okur in his prime.

northcyde

December 1st, 2011
4:26 am

NOTE: I know Taj Gibson plays for the Bulls. I was just thinking about the Bulls series as well, and how Gibson and even Noah would close out on Al’s jumper, rendering him ineffective a a scorer for half of that series.

Al only took 8 FTs that entire series. That’s our starting center, only taking 8 FTs in 6 games . . while shooting less than 42% in 3 of those games.

That’s why people have turned up the heat on Al lately.

Buddy Grizzard

December 1st, 2011
5:10 am

“I agree that [All-NBA Al] is the best [trade] chip, but only if we get a starting center in return. Otherwise, who plays the 5? I can’t see a Zaza / Benson / Twin rotation carrying us very far. Thoughts? Can you explain how Al is “highly overrated”, but yet has a “value contract”?” – Sautee

Horford is overrated and has a value contract simultaneously because of the death of legitimate centers in today’s NBA. It’s a value contract because he has better stats than Noah, was drafted 6 picks higher in the same draft, and yet signed for exactly the same money Noah signed for. Noah got that money because of how difficult it is to staff the C position. I honestly don’t know why Al Horford signed for so little.

But Al is overrated insasmuch as all of his accolades (All-Star and All-NBA selections) are based on him playing a position he doesn’t even want to play. Put him at the 4 and he gets shut down by Brandon Bass. Would Al Horford be an All-Star or All-NBA if he played during the regular season like he did against Orlando? No. Thus, he’s overrated… but still a great value!

“Better living through chemistry” – G-Dad

Haha we said at the beginning of the lockout that All-NBA Al needed to go see the Dominican pharmacist.

Buddy G

December 1st, 2011
5:11 am

“If someone like B.Roy were to be amnestied then signed by a team, what type of contract would he expect?” – Grandmaster JeJe

He would expect to get paid exactly what Portland signed him for originally. When a new team picks up an Amnestied player, the portion of the original contract that they pay reduces the original team’s obligation. The player gets the same money they would have if they sat at home after being Amnestied.

Thus, Brandon Roy will make about $15m this year. Teams under the cap can bid for his services if he is Amnestied by Portland. For example, if Indiana placed a bid that called for them to pay $5m of Roy’s salary for this season, then Portland’s obligation to Roy would be lowered from $15m to $10m. They save Indiana’s $5m contribution. But Roy gets the same $15m after being Amnestied whether or not he ever sets foot on an NBA court.

What I’m wondering, and please pass along the details if you have them, is must the team that signs an Amnestied player sign them for the length of the original contract? Roy is signed for four more years with the third year a player option and the fourth year a team option. I’m assuming Portland doesn’t have to pay him for the team option year if they use the Amnesty clause. But if Indiana is bidding for his services, do they have to offer to take him on for the three years remaining? Do they then inherit the team option on the fourth year? Will their bid have to include annual raises or can they bid a flat $5m per season for three years?

drmaryb .[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
6:46 am

Reality Check!

Oh well, back down to earth this morning. I had dreamy visions of CP3 in a Hawks uni. But, then I awakened and realized we are still being held hostage for no ransom by the ASKG. Thanks MC for the perspective.
___________

“Co-freakin’ sign.” -Sautee-
___________________

Is that the equivalent of a “slam dunk”? LOL. Yeah Sautee … I haven’t seen a back to the basket game since the 80’s. These faux centers don’t even know what that is. If they can’t see the rim – they don’t even know where it is?

drmaryb .[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
7:32 am

WHERE IS THE LOGIC!

This blog party is missing ine main ingredient! Yes my fellow cohorts – you guessed right. LOGIC!

Where is Ken Strickland? Anyone … Anyone?

drmaryb .[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
7:43 am

Bees Knees!

Brandon Roy’s knees are the equivalent of 22″ rims with no tires clanking on metal plates in the road covering up sink holes. All I see are, sparks flying, massive heat and warped metal.

Move on people, there is nothing left to see here. Brandon Roy is the quintessential of Jamal Mashburn. His knees are Mashed & Burned (pun intended).

Oh yeah! And, he is signed for 15M per for what 4 to 5 years?

Compared to Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson is a PPlatinum Maybach.

Mike is Back

December 1st, 2011
8:10 am

GRAND DAD…AL WILL BE BACK. I expect AL to come back with a chip on his shoulder…and perform at a very high level. He is the kind of guy that’s going to put in work to get better…that’s why he so respected around the league. TOO soon to put AL in a box…he’s young he is still evolving.

Of course again I’m a lil bias…Al is one of my favorites too…if you trade Josh or AL…U better make sure you get equal value…CUZ U GON REGRET IT.

Dang…some ole Hawks…hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!

O'Brien

December 1st, 2011
8:32 am

From the previous blog;

G’dad,

N.O. already overpaid for Trevor Ariza (his contract is similar to Marvin), so I don’t think they want Granger unless somebody is taking Ariza off their hands.

AJ,

The Knicks did that last season with regard to Melo and they essentially sent a bunch of stiffs over to Denver as a result..

Ultimately, the Nuggets received Wilson Chandler, Raymond Felton, Danilo Gallinari, Timofey Mozgov, the Knicks 1st round pick in 2014, and a second round pick in 2012 and 2013.

I don’t think Chandler, Felton and Gallinari are stiffs.

drmaryb .[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
8:34 am

Sit Tight!

Dwight should work on his game and remain quiet all season. At years end, he should walk and air his “Decision” on ESPN.

Choose his destiny, watch teams clear cap space and go where the most talent lies. Perhaps it will be in Atlanta. With his endorsements he doesn’t need to worry about BRI.

O'Brien

December 1st, 2011
8:35 am

Northcyde,

If Al is going to be camping out by the 3 point line, that’s just going to expose the Hawks even further as a poor rebounding team.

What was one of the things Al said he work on this offseason? His 3-pt shot.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
8:46 am

Al should have worked on his dribble drive! Dude has no left hand and has a stiff right hand..

His game is not fluid, too stiff…All NBA wow….

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
8:49 am

Sund and the god Father will make sure neither CP3 nor D12 land in Atlanta….Sucks being a Hawks fan?

KevinM

December 1st, 2011
8:56 am

The one guy besides Howard that makes a huge impact here: Rondo. He is a magician with the ball….he doesn’t need to be a great shooter. He leads his teams…..problem is, we have Drew to lead him.

Now on 680 this am, Sund was quoted as saying no one is untouchable on this team, with Al being the last guy to be traded. So we are here with Al with a huge void in the middle, we have a SG that gets 25.7% of our cap. If we had to lose amnesty a guy and rework this team, it would be Joe…..another team would pick him up and the ASG only pays for the remainder of another team’s agreement. You think Chicago wouldn’t jump on that if they can move a couple of pieces? That gets us back into building mode again because we have seen the best of this group.

But once again, like accepting Drew, we have Sund making the moves.
Sund has done 3 good things since he’s been here:

1) Drafting Teague
2) Re-signing Josh in a match offer
3) Drafting Jordan Crawford

The rest of his decisions have been abysmal. We continue to be an afterthought and would it surprise you if Orlando is projected above us in every category despite beating them in the playoffs last year?

For Sund to bring in Rondo, he would have to offer Al and Teague. Don’t be surprised if he did it.

KevinM

December 1st, 2011
9:01 am

Well, did anyone see this Yahoo article:
“Josh Smith hasn’t changed his mind on a future with his hometown Atlanta Hawks: He believes he’s probably run his course with Atlanta. Without an owner committed to making the changes to push this team past its second-round Eastern Conference ceiling, sources said he’d still welcome the team putting him into a trade.”

It sure sounds like Josh is the 1st captain to go if any deal is done.

Man, this stinks! Put Josh back at PF….and like Slim says on a regular basis, fire Sund.

Worldwide Clyde

December 1st, 2011
9:16 am

Dude are you kidding?

“Sund has done 3 good things since he’s been here:

1) Drafting Teague
2) Re-signing Josh in a match offer
3) Drafting Jordan Crawford ”

That’s 3 good moves in 4 years. GTFOH. Plus the third move was negated when he turned around and traded Jordan Crawford that only leaves 2.

FIRE SUND

Nique

December 1st, 2011
9:29 am

We need to keep AL & do what we need to go get Tyson Chandler, this gives us the defensive from line & rebounding that we’ve missed & need for years. It’ll also allow Benson to come along slowly & develop while only doing spot duty

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
9:29 am

OB, Chandler and Felton are FAs next summer. I don’t think either are considered building block material by the Nuggets. Are any of those guys consistently in the All-Star game discussion?

Mike

December 1st, 2011
9:56 am

@Kevin

Also in that article,

Rival executives say GM Rick Sund has told them everyone is available for deals, although Sund’s most reluctant to move Al Horford. There had been serious discussions between Atlanta and the Minnesota Timberwolves for Smith around the NBA draft, but they never materialized.

I think this is just false besides this is the ASG and Rick Sund we are talking about.

honest_abe

December 1st, 2011
10:00 am

some moron yelling at kurt thomas to “keep shooting” – sounds like me. doh!

Fundamentals

December 1st, 2011
10:04 am

“Blazers will offer Pryzbilla the vet min. We can do better”

He was traded to the Bobcats that claim they will keep him.

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
10:05 am

@KevinM

If that article is true, they should trade him(Josh) and Marvin for Okafor and Ariza.

Lp

December 1st, 2011
10:05 am

Trade Al for DeAndre Jordan.

Fundamentals

December 1st, 2011
10:12 am

Okafor, Jordan, Chandler, ect would instantly make this team better, even if we had to lose Josh or Al. We need that post presence. We also need Teague to keep it rolling. His penetration changes our offense and opens up the floor for our shooters.

Who’s of the opinion that Marvin’s back and lack of mobility make him a better backup PF than SF? Dude’s body can’t withstand the punishment of driving the lane like a guard. He’d be better to develop post moves.

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
10:21 am

I said this a few weeks ago and I stand by it (especially after the back surgery), we need to keep marvin a little while longer. His trade value can only go up at this point and we should allow him a few months to make that happen. Most of y’all want to trade guys when they no longer provide value, which means that you are likely trading them for someone else’s underachiever (or bad contract). Sure, players who intent to leave their teams for greener pastures are the exception, but if we really want to improve this roster, we can’t limit ourselves to a small pool of imminent FAs who are anxious to leave their current team.

ILL-Logical

December 1st, 2011
10:48 am

Sounds as if Josh/his agent have finally seen the light. After 10 years in an disfunctional organization geared to protecting its decision to acquire Joe Johnson, his future is elswhere. The good news for Josh is that wherever he ends up and if it is a contender, Dwight will follow. If his new team is not a contender, he will play out his current deal and join Dwight.

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
10:48 am

We can’t blame Sund for hiring the worst regular season Coach in the history or any game, any sport, anywhere, anytime. Don’t forget the monumental, record setting blowouts the last half of last season, and the lottery play, both record wise, +/- etc. That was ASG’s fault.

We will not make the playoffs this year if LD stays past the All Star break – a prediction.

The playoffs teams will be:

Miami
Chicago
Philadelphia
New York
Orlando – Just because of Dwight, little else, especially if they lose J Richardson
Boston
Bucks
And a real battle for the 8th spot, including ATL – but I think one of the other teams get’s it.

Remember, this is the same blog people didn’t think Chicago had passed ATL before last season.
But i do guess most of us were wrong about the Bucks also.

I think only Charlotte, Toronto, and Cleveland are out of the playoff picture really. Everybody else has a shot in the East.

Beware the Wizards. Really.

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
10:54 am

Now if ATL got a real coach, with 3 of the top 43 players in the game, and supporting cast of ZaZa, Hinrich, Teague, Marvin, Wilkens, and Collins, with Benson, Sy, and Rolle, we are ECF material.

But not with this Coach.

I think JJ will be back in a pretty big way also.

Northcyde – Spot on about Al. The best thing Al can do is gain about 15 lbs of muscle and get some post moves. Too slow for a PF. He’s an All Star C, not a PF.

And if Noah and Bogut stay healthy, he may not even be an All Star C.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
11:01 am

Keep Josh, Jettison ALL NBA ALLSTAR Al while hes still overrated and has great value…..

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
11:02 am

I should note in the above post, that is not a set order of the rankings of the teams in the East, but it may be pretty close.

And I also think Sy, and maybe Rolle, will be better than advertised. That Pacers Coach just gushed about Rolle, but due to contracts, just couldn’t find a place for him.

And Sy can drive, and in the NBA, that is an invaluable asset. And he’s got an NBA body

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
11:03 am

This year I think the Hawks will pay the Lux Tax this year for 3 reasons

1) The Hawks Need five players and only have 5mil to spend.
http://www.hoopsworld.com/atlanta-hawks-team-salary/

2) The new CBA along with revenue sharing will provide the Hawks by my calculations about 17- 20mil in additional dollars.

3) ASG doesn’t want to lose the momentum of the Bulls series.

Cheap Muscle… Josh McRoberts
Cheap Shooter/ good defender…Anthony Parker

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
11:03 am

You guys remember what 6′6″ Chuck Hayes did to ALL NBA AL in Houston last year? Al played like he was 6′ tall 160lbs…..lol

vava74

December 1st, 2011
11:06 am

SteveW,

Even if we do not make any moves, there is NO WAY that we are not getting into the playoffs.

NO WAY.

Our beloved/hated core is good enough to win 55% of the games even if they brought Ray Charles’ mummy to coach it (actually I think his mummy would do a better job than LD did in many games).

Everyone should stop being absurdly negative.

Should we look to improve? Of course, but don’t disregard what we have either. When I criticize Horford I am not saying that he is worthless, merely that his flaws are much more serious than what people have been inclined to see with those rosy spectacles that a “nice guy” like him puts on people’s eyes.

Our biggest and most viable upgrade is, unfortunately, what we are guaranteed not to have (at least not on day 1): a decent HC.

A decent HC would poke Horford in the belly and would ask him straight to his face if he is a ball player or a sissy and that sissies would not play for him.

Every single time that anyone did not show up mentally focused and with a murderous will to get the win would be rewarded with a full game in the bench.

Repeated offenses would be instant nomination for the trading block. Trade value depreciation some will say, I say: accountability.

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
11:09 am

We could trade Josh and whatever for CP3, sign Tyson Chandler, but unless Larry Drew vastly improved as a Coach over the off season, and he’s had 2 extra months to do it, all of it is a moot point.

Larry Drew = Disaster for the Atlanta Hawks.

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
11:15 am

Rufus, Hawks could easily sign 5-6 guys at least than $1M each. Heck, Sy, Rolle and Benson are the first ones who fit that mode and Damien would likely do the same (although he may request a 2 year deal for a total of around 1.6M). As much as I dispise the ASG, I would only pay the luxury tax as an owner if I KNOW that I have the makings of a ECF-type team. And we don’t. We don;t have the culture, we don’t have the head coach and we won’t have the players.

LD’s contract expires in about 7 months, that’s when things will change.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
11:17 am

Larry Drew was a horrific hire!!

But what do you expect from Sund?…He’s clueless…………He was the GM that ran the Supersonics out of Seattle and the Sonics were pretty good until this bum took over.. He may do the same in Atlanta?

Sund=Billy Knight, two peas in a pot…

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
11:21 am

Larry Drew…Bad Coach?

We beat Orlando in 6 games and took the Bulls the best team in the league to 6 games…..He took the Hawks further than we have been in 20 years…. What did our ROOKIE COACH do wrong????

What more could you ask of a ROOKIE COACH?

I don’t get the dislike for LD.

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
11:22 am

Slim, Sund didn’t want to hire LD (from all indications) but was forced to do so by Mike Gearon. Sund wanted Dwayne Casey.

Evidently, LD took one of the league’s lowest salaries AND agreed to a contract that would adjust based on the possible lockout. My guess is that LD missed as many paychecks as the players.

Sund shouldn’t take the heat for hiring LD. That one rests at the feet of the owners (Sund’s bosses).

mountain_jim

December 1st, 2011
11:24 am

SUND should take the heat for trading 2 number ones for a player we did not need with Teague rotting on the bench.

Just Joe

December 1st, 2011
11:24 am

I believe both LD & Sund are on the final years of their deals. This is another reason why I support moving Johnson, Williams & Pachulia for expiring contracts, and only sign 1-yr free agents this year. Hopefully next year would bring a new owner, a new GM, a new coach, a 1st round draft pick, and a new core built around Josh, Al, and Jeff Teague.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
11:29 am

If DeAndre Jordan is a FA, we have a much better shot @ acquiring him. Plus Jordan is a far superior Rim Defender @ the 5 over All NBA AL and he has low post moves that AllStar Al does not. All NBA Al is not a 4, maybe in the CBA but not NBA.. So bye ALL NBA AL….Try and get 15-20pt. per game #3 for AllStar, All NBA, All Overrated Alice…

CP3 and D12 are pipe dreams..And you know how pipe dreams turn out? lol

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
11:36 am

Yea we beat Orlando in spite of Larry, thanks to the Herculean effort of ISO an JC1! lol

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
11:41 am

Vav74 – I so hope your right. All I can see is:

Our being outscored for the year – that usually means your a below .500 team

After being 28-15 after 43 games (yay!), we finish the season going 16-23 – Lottery material, getting outscored by 4.7 ppg in the process.

We lose by 41 to NO at Home, scoring only 59 points

A 34 point home slaughter to Philly

A 24 point slaughter by LA, which was really worse than the score indicates

An epic 33 point massacre by the Bulls at Home – weren’t we down 47 in the 3rd quarter before LD decided to put Teague in?

A 21 point thumping by Miami

A 32 point crushing by the Wizards

A team whose biggest off season move is losing Jamal Crawford

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
11:42 am

@Astro

I am a “glass half full” kind of person and I run a small business.

I have always believed the Hawks were profitable and ASG used those profits to offset the loses from the Thrashers. The Thrashers have been sold, they got all their money back and now have a much better CBA.

The Hawks just came off their best playoff showing in 20 years and we now have our PG of the future….They are not going to lose the momentum over 2 or 3mil dollars. Also, every home game in the playoffs could net the team 2-3mil dollars(Avg $75 Tick, $25 food, TV, Parking, Etc,) The value of spending 3mil in Lux Tax could be worth 9-10mil in revenue.

No one knows the effect Teague and the right roll players my have on this team…..We won 50 games with Bibby and Jamal playing defense in our back court…..Wow, that is an accomplishment.

I have more faith in ASG and Sund than most.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
11:43 am

Hey no eyebrows Woodie took the Hawks to two previous semi-finals too Rufus1..Larry repeated, he did not advance the Hawks any further in the last 20 years..What you talking about Willis?

His team under achieved big time with the talent they had…46 wins out of 82 is pathetic..

This team should have won at least 56-58 games….

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
11:46 am

Rufus1, the Hawks broke an NBA record for an above .500 team losing by more than 30 points multiple games in a season!

Larry sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
11:51 am

who is going to replace JC1’s scoring load in the playoffs if they make it? hugh?

vava74

December 1st, 2011
11:55 am

SteveW,

“A team whose biggest off season move is losing Jamal Crawford”

That’s a huge step forward in my book!!!

Teague, JJ and Hinrich subbing them could be the best 3 man back court rotation in the NBA IMO. With Pape bringing some spidery D and some slashing for 5/7 minutes.

Just add a solid veteran to the mix as the 5th wheel (an Anthony Carter type of guy or preferably a 3 point specialist) and we are set.

vava74

December 1st, 2011
11:59 am

Slimjr,

Teague averaged (before the injury in game 6) 17ppg against the Bulls, one of the best defenses.

He was practically toe to toe with the league’s MVP.

Why the heck should we miss the streaky shooting, zero D Crawford??

Vastly entertaining – I admit it – but hardly irreplaceable.

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
12:00 pm

Rufus, I think the Hawks played the same number of home games last year as the previous 2 under Woody, so I doubt that they had an increase in revenue there. Remember that the Hawks had homecourt advantage in the first round the previous two seasons, so they played 4 home games in the first round, then 2 more in the second. Last year, we played 3 & 3. Home record wasn;t as strong last season which likely meant lower attendance during the regular season. And despite having sold the Thrashers, they were still desperate enough to announce a deal with a guy who didn’t have the cash to support the team. That doesn’t sound like enthusiastic ownership with grand hopes for a post-Thrashers era to me. Sorry, when it comes to the ASG’s ownership of the Hawks, I am a glass is virtually empty kind of guy.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
12:04 pm

I’m concerned for Teague’s durability..Because of the fact he has such a poor jump shot he has to drive into the trees and where he is getting hammered..That’s why he got knocked out of the Chicago series…..He’s a costly lost when injured………remember Tyron Lue? Above average guard but stayed injured……

Restless Native

December 1st, 2011
12:09 pm

Hey Hawks,

Please do us a favor and LEAVE TOWN! LOL

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
12:09 pm

Jordan Crawford was the ideal cheap replacement for Jamal. But of course LD couldn’t stop his pathological inability to not play Teague, and play Bibby. So since Gearon hired LD, Sund couldn’t fire him, so the only choice was to trade JC2 and a 1st pick, another cheap body, for Kirk.

So LD has cost ATL two first picks due to his incompetence. When he’s forced to play Teague, Teague plays stellar against Portland. And was a D presence at the Point that I don’t remember since Mookie.

LD, and really Gearon for not allowing Sund to hire a real Coach because of dollars and cents – only half pay during the lockout – lowest paid HC in the League etc, has systematically destroyed the Hawks.

So as along as LD is here, unless he turns into super coach, which I hope he does, I don’t see ATL in the playoffs at all. More 20+ point blowout losses are all I see.

Rev in Tampa

December 1st, 2011
12:12 pm

Cofreaking-sign northcyde’s post about Al’s deficiencies at PF. Putting Al at PF has the added deficiency of putting Josh at SF. The motion offense had the effect of letting everybody think they were playing SG.

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
12:12 pm

Vava74 – I understand your point about Jamal – but with LD, we’re still toast, unless of course he’s turned into a real NBA HC somehow.

KevinM

December 1st, 2011
12:13 pm

WorldwideClyde, My point was Sund has given us 3 positives over all the other debacles during his regime here. He has sat on his hands for the most part.
I disagree on going over the cap; the ASG has whined about losing money since they had rifts with Belkin. They aren’t going over any cap and paying double just to fill out our roster. We are going with Kirk and Marvin and Collins to fill the roles.
I would be stunned if Sund pulled off a trade in our favor. He has yet to do that since he’s been here. We have to take on a bad contract to make any trade happen.
For someone to be in this business for 31 years, I sure don’t see any advantage he brings us. He has been getting his butt kicked the entire time in this league. Why can’t the ASG not see that?

Our roster is not one of great potential; Drew will do the same things he did last year. His dislike for Teague and his adoration for Bibby showed me enough.

Rufus, I just think Josh is making the most noise to be moved. Al and JJ aren’t talking at all. They are very happy getting the accolades they are getting on a 2nd tier team.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
12:14 pm

Yeah Mookie was extremely strong and durable! Teague not so much?

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
12:14 pm

Rufus1 – He was ok in the playoffs, granted – but did you see the total disaster the last 39 games of the season – us playing lottery ball, having historic losses at home on a regular basis – 41 pt loss to the Hornets, 30 + to Philly and Chicago, 30+ to the Wizards away?

Did you see how he cost us 2 1st picks by his incompetence?

Guess not.

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
12:16 pm

Stating Collins in the Orlando series – right move

Being forced to start Teague in the 2nd round – right move.

Spot starting Collins during the regular season – right move

That’s about all…

KevinM

December 1st, 2011
12:18 pm

Is it possible the Heat will give us Bibby back?

Now that is how Sund is thinking than bringing in better talent. We just missed his core leadership with that towel over his mouth on the bench.

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
12:19 pm

I think Teague will be durable – he’s an astounding athlete.

But let’s be real – DRose had a bum ankle and Teague was fresh. Teague is nowhere close to as good as DRose.

But Teague can be a 10+/5 guy with above average defense on a nightly basis.

And he’s got a very good J – weird looking, but very good. I don’t know where he got the bum rap he can’t shoot.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
12:20 pm

@KevinM,

its amazing how incompetent people like Sund continue to get paid 7 figures for 31 plus years..No wonder why our Country is in such hurt……

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
12:20 pm

There was discussion during the NBA Championship series on ESPN was Mike Bibby the worst starter ever on a Finals team. That pretty much says it all.

And this from a huge Bibby fan his whole career, until he collapsed.

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
12:21 pm

Slimjr – I think Gearon Jr. is the incompetent one, not so much Sund

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
12:28 pm

Steve, I think Teague shot around 29% from between 16-23 feet last year while the league average (including bigs) was 39%. Maybe that contributes to the perception that he needs to work on his jumper.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
12:31 pm

Steve I play ball and know a good jumpshot when I see it.. Teaque’s needs a ton of work and that’s putting it nicely..

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
12:33 pm

@Slim

Woody got swept….. LD was bad coaching decision(taking out Zaza) away from winning game 5.
We won’t miss Jamal as much as people think. The way Teague scored and SHUT DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWN Korver keep the Hawks in that series. The combo of Teague and Kirk will make-up for Jamal just on the defensive end.

@Astro

Murelo had enough money to buy the team, TRUST ME. They vet these things and he was trying to buy a NBA franchise, you can’t get this far without reasonable financial proof…… I would bet that is a cover story. He may not have been able to verify all of his income streams(speculating) and image is very important to the league.

My point about the revenue- If ownership thinks spending 3mil Lux Tax to get a certain roll player would get them to the ECF, the Lux Tax wouldn’t stop that decision…..If the decision doesn’t make finacial sense then they won’t spend the money…

drmaryb .[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
12:40 pm

Jordan III

LOL! I read on hoopshype yesterday that the Clipps were making it a priority to sign DeAndre Jordan and one of their other studs. Pretty much said DeAndre is untouchable.

Move on people: Thou Shall Not Covet.
________________

I’m glad to hear no one is untouchable, and on this roster – no one should be. Especially if we can commandeer a super star – which is also laughable in and of itself.

Like Chris Webber said on FSS after the Bulls beat back the Hawks in 6, “The Hawks problem is management!”

Does anyone trust these guys? I’ll do like I always did:

enjoy the games, yell at the flat screen, mush my dirty socks on Marvin’s butt when it waddles by on my 60″, drink import beers and keep eating popcorn.

Now that’s my idea of entertainment. Forget about all the business stuff, I already got a 9 to 5.

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
12:47 pm

Rufus, the other part of crossing the luxury tax line is that you don;t get as big of a “welfare” check from post-season revenues. In the previous CBA, the luxury tax pot was distributed across the other teams. So not only do you pay in tax but you don;t get any extra revenue on the back-end. The rules have been changed so non-luxury teams will likely get less of a check, but they still get something. So the league prefers teams to stay under the luxury line. It creates better league-wide balance. I prefer your persective as it would result in a more entertaining product.

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
12:50 pm

Mary, I do pretty much the same. Except I am watching on a 13″ B&W while drinking Kool-Aid.

STRETCH

December 1st, 2011
12:51 pm

Around the NBA draft last year the Atlanta Hawks shopped forward Josh Smith around. The feeling was mutual, Smith felt it was time for a change of scenery. However, the Hawks didn’t get any offers they liked.

Now with the lockout over, Smith is back up on the trading block, reports Adrian Wojnarowski at Yahoo.

Lets get it started. I love JS but sometimes the guy is a mental case. Maybe it would be better for both parties if they split.

But, i wonder would he come back to Philips like Deion coming back to the GA Dome and say “This is my house!” and comence to burn down Atlanta like Sherman did!

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
12:55 pm

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
12:50 pm

“Mary, I do pretty much the same. Except I am watching on a 13″ B&W while drinking Kool-Aid.”

OH S___T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I almost spit out my coffee!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!! HaHaHa……

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
12:57 pm

They need to Shop ALL NBA AL too..See what bites?

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
1:01 pm

Josh-

I want to see Teague and Josh track team for atleast one year….It looks very tantalizing in the Bulls series.

BoJo Ellis

December 1st, 2011
1:03 pm

Howard’s the man..make the deal!

Grandad

December 1st, 2011
1:10 pm

It don’t matter where the foofoo you play on Offense;
you can stand at half court if you want;
that does not effect your Defensive Rebound Production !

In a motion offense, there is no telling where you might be
when the shot attempt occurs – Morons !

If you’re gonna crash the boards you crash the boards.
If LD says get back on defense then they are gonna …
get back on defense.

Can yawl get that through yawls…………………………….

I must calm down.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

now;
please do not talk about where someone hangs out on offense
when referencing rebounding.
Defensive Rebounding is our weakness !
Thank you ever so much.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Grandad

December 1st, 2011
1:17 pm

I do apologize for calling anyone a moron;
that in itself likened me to that retard Paul Johnson.

O'Brien

December 1st, 2011
1:39 pm

AJ,

They are not all star material, but Felton averages 14 pts, 7 assists for his career, Chandler averaged 15 and 6 last season, and Gallinari averaged 16 and 5. For the right price, I think they are good complimentary pieces. Throw in a first round pick, and the cap flexibility, I think Denver did very well.

As for LD and Sund’s contract situation, I think it depends on whether or not ASG find a buyer before next season. If they don’t, I see them picking up LD’s 3rd year option (or promoting Lester Connor ), and extending Sund for one more year.

drmaryb .[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
1:41 pm

Loco – Motion!

“In a motion offense, there is no telling where you might be” -Grand-Daddy-
_______________

Oops! (in the voice of Rick Perry).

Ugggh … When have these Hawks ever ran a motion offense? All I remember was a lot of standing around and looking, oh yeah and Josh running to stand behind the 3 point line with 5 seconds left on the shot clock.

LOL! Calm down Grand-Daddy, my love … What we are having is a lengthy, healthy conversation. It’s ok to disagree. That’s what makes it fun.

An exchange of ideas, opinions and azz holes (we all got all three).

Grandad

December 1st, 2011
1:49 pm

On Jordan Crawford;
Sund stole Kirk Hinrich from Washington.
He unloaded Bibby & pucked up a player who is coveted
around the league.
Capn Kirk played hurt alot last season with us.
(even before the play-offs)
We will be able to re-sign CK at a reduced price,
maybe an ext = a better deal than Jamal.
All yawl that called for a better defender than Jamal;
here he is !
Jordan Crawford will not start for Washington this yr,
nor does he defend.
enough on that.

_____________________________________________

Rev:

My good friend – good to hear from you.

Motion offense – (SteveW will back me on this):
* does not or should not cause one to become a 3 pt shooter.
* it should cause a player to learn to move without the ball.
* That would benefit Al quite a bit;
true he is not graceful with the ball.
yes, he is a good face up shooter,
however, becoming adept @ moving w/o the ball
would get him open around the hoop.
* It should benefit Joe, by extending his career.
Joe would decrease the wear & tear on his body
by allowing others to set him up for easier shots.
* No one should be hanging out anywhere;
as “motion” implies “moving” = “movement”.
meaning players cutting, flashing, screening, slipping, etc.
but not hanging. Otherwise, it would be called:
“hanging” offense.

_____________________________________________

Grandad

December 1st, 2011
1:57 pm

Mary Ellen

I forgot my meds yesterday !

I’m still tryin’ to recover.

When I confessed to Mrs Grandad that I forgot my meds;
it just about didn’t matter.

It turns out one of them pills is “”"”" REAL”"”"” IMPORTANT !!!!!

Oh yeah, I gotta run,
I forgot my meds again, uh oh……….

doc

December 1st, 2011
1:59 pm

gdad, the only problem with the hinrich trade is it should have been done sooner and we dont have a number one draft pick. knowing the basg, that was a financial plan to give it up anyway. shoot it may have been one of the things we forced on them rather than them pulling on us. sad but very true that we cant afford no 1 draft picks.

KevinM

December 1st, 2011
2:25 pm

Smoove lost 30 lbs over the offseason? Yikes, now I know where this is headed…back to the SF role and Marvin may lose more minutes with this news.
We are in such a state where we are hanging out there once again with no progress moving forward. And despite what everyone says, our 3 guard rotation of JJ/Teague/Kirk will be far from one of the best in the league. I don’t see Kirk regaining his youth any time soon.

Our backcourt is limited. Our frontcourt is small. Our coach is average and our talent is not as athletic/versatile as we have been sold on.

We sound like a .500 team.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
2:32 pm

Agreed KevinM, this team with Sund and Larry may even slide backwards toward a 7th or even 8th seed..With a 1st round elimination! Not feeling this at all…………..Blah Blah Blah………….

Mike

December 1st, 2011
2:39 pm

I say, let shake up this core, besides we have to do something besides losing in the second round again. Ship Josh or Al to NOH or somewhere we can get some good parts for.

Najeh Davenpoop

December 1st, 2011
2:39 pm

Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc Spears report that Chris Paul has told the Hornets he will not re-sign and will seek a trade to the Knicks.

Huh. And all this time I thought all those magic system changes the owners got were going to improve competitive balance.

drmaryb .[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
2:45 pm

Lazy Eye!

Grand-Daddy you don’t need all them pills. I like you just the way you are.

But, seriously though – these lazy players aren’t gonna’ run in circles without the ball. They make way too much money for that.

The Reggie Miller’s of the past era are long gone. I’m sitting here trying to think of one or two players today that runs without the ball.

Maybe Ray Allen – he does that, Steve Nash runs with and without the ball & he gives it up too.

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
2:48 pm

Najeh, evidently the players held out so they could win a handful of players (like Paul & Howard) the chance to dictate where they play BEFORE they are FAs. This is what the Union wanted and the owners caved in.

So the health news from the past week or so is interesting. Marvin has back surgery and his dad says that he is anxious to get back on track. Joe dropped some weight and Josh dropped a good bit of weight. So with guys who will enter the season a little more fit than usual (and Teague hopefully earning consistent playing time), could we see a team that plays at a faster tempo and doesn’t insist on halfcourt ball?

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
2:51 pm

Mary, Josh childress used to prowl the baseline looking for the pass so that he could shoot around 58% from the field and bloggers could lament that his jumper was broken… did I mention that he was shooting around 58%? I always thought the purpose was to score, not to have a picture-perfect jumper that was less efficient than 58%. I bet Dale Ellis, Jeff Malone or Glenn Rice ever hit 58% of their shots in a season.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
2:52 pm

It was rumored last year the CP3 wanted to play in New York once he heard Carmelo was looking to head East!

CP3 will flourish in the watered down East for sure! He knows he has a much better shot at an NBA finals playing in New York…

No superstar FA in their right mind would come to play for the Hawks?

Business as usual with the Hawks, just a write off for ownership..

The streak will continue: 45 years and have not sniffed an ECF much less a Championship!

The more things stay the same…….sad too sad….

drmaryb .[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
2:57 pm

Super Friends II

Based on what Najeh said, looks like it’s gonna be another super team in the east. I’m done here good day fellas.

We Hawk fans, we get nothing!

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
2:59 pm

Cant seem to put my finger on this Town, but its professional sports franchises have continued to under perform and underwhelm for the past almost 5 decades? WTF is going on down here????????????????

Big Dog

December 1st, 2011
2:59 pm

I dont know if there are that many teams interested in Al horford. Where are all those coaches who are adding him to the allstar team? It doesnt appear that there is much interest in him. Perhaps they secretly know what the fans express openly.

Judging by the many commercials Josh is making he is in with the in crowd of the elite NBA players. That pick up game with KG and DH pretty much makes it clear that Josh is legit. I wish we can get Al into a commercial or two. That way we can increase his market ability. Apparently no team is expressing interest in Al.

Why is it that Al is not marketable nor part of the in crowd among players like Josh is?

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
3:04 pm

I know Teague didn’t do well from 16-23 feet – 28% Yuck!

But from the 3, he was better than Josh, Jamal, JJ, Marvin – 37.5% for Teague.

And he shot well at Wake

And from 10-15 feet he was better than: Stephen Curry, Evan Turner, Brandon Jennings, Russell Westbrook, Kyle Korver, Rodney Stuckey, JRue Holiday, Brandon Roy, Rip Hamilton, Aaron Brooks, Raymond Felton, Ramon Sessions, Jameer Nelson, Mike Bibby, Jason and Q Richardson, Jodie Meeks, Dragic, Ben Gordon, Lou Williams, Rajon Rondo, Mike Conley, Kirk Hinrich, John Wall, Iggy, and Landry Fields to name a few

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
3:07 pm

Big Dog, Horford played for the Dominican Republic team during the off-season. That may have something to do with why he wasn’t making commercials, he was trying to advance his national team in the big tournament (along with Villanueva and Garcia from SacTown). Plus, if Sund announced that he wanted to trade Horford, you can trust that there would be interest. Josh is running off at the mouth about wanting out, we’ve not heard that Al wants to leave the city.

-drmaryb- .[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
3:08 pm

Pffffttt!

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
3:08 pm

The Knicks can only get Paul as a free agent….

And it will cost him alot of money.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/01/report-chris-pauls-agent-tells-hornets-he-will-not-sign-wants-to-be-knick/

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
3:11 pm

Even from the dreaded 16-23 feet range, Teague still shot the same as Wesley Matthews, and better than Bogans, Jack, Duhon, Q Richardson, and Josh Childress among Guards.

But yes, I hope he is developing his 16-23 foot game – he’s got the 3 and the 10-15 foot game decent, but of course, could still improve there also.

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
3:12 pm

Steve, I don’t think anyone claimed that dude is the worse shooter in the league, but as a 2nd year player (and what 2nd year player doesn’t have something they need to do better), he could use a better jumpshot. Especially given his quickness, teams will simply play off of him and dare him to shoot (much like they do with other ultra-quick guards with shaky jumpers). He’ll get the Josh Smith treatment… and we all know what that looks like.

SteveW

December 1st, 2011
3:18 pm

Jeff Teague was also 17th among all G’s with 40 or more games played in shooting percentage from 3-9 feet. JJ was 5th

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
3:23 pm

BRI

When you are a super star BRI is not the only source of money there is. Can you say, ” Endorsements?” Besides New York is New York.

Many players have chosen the Pursuit of HappY-ness over money. Why, because money can’t buy you happiness!

Section 303

December 1st, 2011
3:26 pm

Najeh, give it two years and Chris Paul will not be able to demand where he plays. The parts of the deal restricting player movement will be phased in over the next couple of years. I, for one, am happy to see it.

And, F Chris Paul, too, by the way. By making his intentions public, he has basically crapped on any leverage the Hornets had. I hope they trade him to Sacramento for a bag of balls. Chris Paul is just as big of a$$clown as James and Wade. No wonder they all get along so well.

J.J.M.

December 1st, 2011
3:27 pm

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/33566/chris-paul-and-new-yorks-hopes

Chris Broussard “The Atlanta Hawks are another team that could offer New Orleans an enticing package of, say, Marvin Williams and Jeff Teague. It’s not known whether Paul would consider signing an extension with the Hawks but he is known to be fond of the city of Atlanta.”

J.J.M.

December 1st, 2011
3:33 pm

iverson was in town playing in charity game…im sure hawks will sign him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61aSxJRx8-Q

O'Brien

December 1st, 2011
3:36 pm

From ESPN.com. They must have been listening to AJ;

(3)The unspoken truth in the corridors of the Hawks’ offices is that saving their amnesty clause as an insurance policy for Joe Johnson’s gargantuan contract is their smartest play.

Although there can be no conceivable motivation left within the organization to try to camouflage the grave Williams mistakes (drafting him and then extending him) of the past — since the guy (Billy Knight) who drafted Williams ahead of Chris Paul when Paul wanted to land with the Hawks is long gone — immediately releasing the No. 2 overall pick from 2005 creates no cap space for Atlanta. So it’s better to bypass amnesty in the short term in case Johnson starts to seriously slip. .

J.J.M.

December 1st, 2011
3:38 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_DF-nZmeEw

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
3:38 pm

OB, in real life, I am Stephen A. Smith.

O'Brien

December 1st, 2011
3:41 pm

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/7300507/nba-updated-amnesty-candidates-every-team/

KevinM

December 1st, 2011
3:44 pm

Really Broussard, Marvin and Teague is enough for CP3? Wow, no way New Orleans doesn’t get a package closer to Carmelo than that.

I still like Rondo better because we definitely need defense for this team and a leader. I think CP3’s better days are behind him and we can’t afford his demands.

CP3 for Marvin huh? No one would have seen that coming? What a disaster of a draft for Hawks’ fans.

KevinM

December 1st, 2011
3:45 pm

Would you do a Bynum for Al? I would consider that one. At least we get Bynum to actually play a position that Al gets credit for but plays very little.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
3:46 pm

Billy Knight screwed this franchise for years to come………

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
3:48 pm

Given the ability to waive players, I’d sign Dasagna Diop to a 2-year deal worth maybe $1M/season (a little more than the bare minimum) if he doesn’t have any structural problems with his body. He should be able to provide Pryzbilla-like production (defense and rebounding) for 12 minutes/game. He will likely get the amnesty treatment from MJ in Charlotte.

(BTW, with Josh shedding that weight, we will need some bigger bodies to diversify our roster. Benson and Rolle look like the number 11 when they stand side-by-side).

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
3:50 pm

KevinM, and how many games would Bynum play that position in a given season?

KevinM

December 1st, 2011
3:57 pm

Understood AJ, like I said I would consider.

We get a guy who would actually play C, who actually is a C. Al is fooling all of us being labeled as a C.

But it won’t work if LD and Sund are keeping Smoove at the 3.

All this time, we have needed to resolve the Al or Smoove debate and it still goes on heading into another season. We are in quicksand waiting for progress to be made.

drmaryb.[*_*].

December 1st, 2011
3:58 pm

13″ Flat Screen!

Astro Joe! You wild man … Drinking brown kool-aide and watching 13″ of 7′ tall basketball players run back & forth?

Hey bruh, I feel you – I have a 13″ RCA in my office break room. It’s so small, I have to close one eye just to see it. LOL!

SlimJr, wassup? Astro Van Joe is stoopid – hugh?
______________

Seriously yawl, this is wassup! In order for the Hawks to get some HOF’ers in this town? We gone’ have to do some stem cell research and inject the players we have with some genomes. Or, clone Dwight & ‘Nem. (sad stuff)

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
4:03 pm

Whats up to the prettiest Dr. in All of Georgia!!!!!!!!!!!! DRMARYB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!dayum..lol

darrell starks

December 1st, 2011
4:05 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7xotrg9

darrell starks

December 1st, 2011
4:10 pm

Hornet get and expiring contract in Hinrich along with 2 starters Marvin, and a up and coming potential star in the league Teague and a 1st for Paul, might just pull the trigger.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!

Astro Joe

December 1st, 2011
4:13 pm

If Josh Smith plays with Chris Paul, he is likely going to want to play the David West role for CP3. YIKES!

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
4:22 pm

Wow…Charlie Villnueva.

I remember when people on this blog wanted to sign him…..UUUUUUGH!!!

Any person that wanted to sign him can’t say anything about Sund….11pts and 3.9rebs a game….3 years and 24mil left on his contract and Ben Gordon has 37mil left on his contract. I can only imagine what they are saying about their GM…..Who is that again?

The NBA 80% luck and 20% skill.

darrell starks

December 1st, 2011
4:22 pm

A. I could come of the bench behind CP3 would be awesome. ASG must learn how to market the Hawks because of city of Atlanta is hot for basketball, there is a lot of money to be made for ASG if have the right agenda for this team.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

darrell starks

December 1st, 2011
4:28 pm

2011 ATLANTA HAWKS

STARTERS CP3, JOE, JOSH, HORFORD, ZAZA

BENCH A. I. DAMIEN, AL THORTON, WILCOX, COLLINS
RESERVE BENSON, PAPE
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

O'Brien

December 1st, 2011
4:29 pm

KevinM,

Would you do a SNT for NeNe in Denver? I dont think NeNe is a better player than Al, but at least I havent heard anything from NeNe or his father about wanting to play PF.

Rufus,

Most of us didnt think Villanueva was worth the contract he was given. But for the mid-level (~$5 mil), I think he would have been a good bench piece.

O'Brien

December 1st, 2011
4:31 pm

If Josh loses 30 pounds, he will get pushed around in the post (imo). Maybe this is his attempt to force LD to play him more minutes at SF. After all, Josh has probably been working on his 3-ptr and his handles

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
4:32 pm

Rufus, You put this brilliant group of Bloggers up to run the Hawks, screw Captain Ahab(The godfather), we’d have a championship caliber team within 3-5 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
4:36 pm

Thou shalt not covert: CP3 aint comin to the dirty low down South!

That is all….

darrell starks

December 1st, 2011
4:46 pm

Why not he said he would play for the Hawks ?
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
4:49 pm

Cause 2hrs ago Najeh posted this:

Najeh Davenpoop

December 1st, 2011
2:39 pm

“Yahoo’s Adrian Wojnarowski and Marc Spears report that Chris Paul has told the Hornets he will not re-sign and will seek a trade to the Knicks.

Huh. And all this time I thought all those magic system changes the owners got were going to improve competitive balance”

darrell starks

December 1st, 2011
4:58 pm

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=888ey54

darrell starks

December 1st, 2011
4:59 pm

The Knicks have nobody they could offer for CP3.
GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
5:03 pm

@Slimjr

The NBA isn’t a candy dish….You can’t just decide what player you want and you get him. Cuban has a ton of money and willing to spend it and he just got his 1st title. What would you have done that he hasn’t already…..

Hire coaches-Check
Overpay for talent-Check
I am not sure what you can do.

Cuban has spent 880mil over the past 10 years in salary trying to win a title and he has JUST ONE!

The Lakers were given Gasol by West and that is how they have won lately(BK offered the 3rd pick for Gasol, which tured out to be AL).
Boston was given Garnett by Mchale and that is how they have won.
Miami- Lebron decided to go be with his friend, but they have won yet.
Bulls- Go the 1 pick in the draft and DRose was coming out.(Luck)
OKC- Go the 2nd pick in the draft(Hawks had the 3rd pick that year And Blazers had #1) (Luck)

If N.O. traded CP3 to the Hawks for Marvin, Zaza and 2 draft picks, Sund would also look like a genius….But that isn’t going to happen.

Go hawks

KevinM

December 1st, 2011
5:03 pm

Dwight Howard to the Lakers, Paul to the Knicks…the downtime obviously hasn’t changed any of these owners and potential rumors.

OB, I like Nene, and I think he becomes a Top C on the East side competing with Dwight. I just don’t see Sund bringing in Dwight at any price. Sund doesn’t have it within him.

And I agree, Smoove wants to be a sleek SF now….or he wants a spot on the cheerleaders’ calendar. DMB, any street noise on that?

darrell starks

December 1st, 2011
5:04 pm

Which trade is better

HAWKS TEAGUE, MARVIN, HINRICH EXPIRING CONTRACT AND 1ST FOR CP3

KNICKS BILLUPS, FIELDS, TURIAF AND 1ST FOR CP3

THE HAWKS OFFER SOUND MUCH BETTER

GO HAWKS!!!!!!!!!!

doc

December 1st, 2011
5:04 pm

missed it but where did it say josh dropped thirty and pix to show it?

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
5:05 pm

Slim, I do agree we are brilliant.

KevinM

December 1st, 2011
5:10 pm

How to fix our cap limitations and our limitations getting to the 2nd round:

1) Since we go as far as Joe takes us, amnesty him and amnesty him now. The Hawks get serious salary help while the rest of the league fight over a guy who has NEVER had a terrific playoff series.

2) Dump Marvin and Smoove….I like neither at the SF and they apparently don’t want to work on the post…not like Marvin has ever worked in the lane.

Bring us some youth, a shot at competing for a lottery selection as 2012 has a nice list of guys coming out. Get us in that top tier of lottery discussion because this management team has to build on the cheap. I like the Celtics numbers for next year sitting around 29M after Garnett is cleared out…the Hawks should be in that scenario going forward. Marvin+Joe+Smoove = the reason we are over 30M in salary.

mountain_jim

December 1st, 2011
5:13 pm

Sure KevinM, the cash-strapped Hawks owners can afford to eat JJ’s salary while not playing him and paying plenty more to replace him

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
5:16 pm

Rufus’ lets say Billy Knight was me(He wish) my jump shot is better than his even in his prime….LOL

2004 we needed a legit #3 who could dribble drive and stop and pop or take it to the rim.I along with the rest of the gang would have drafted Andre Iqudolar or Lou Aldeng.Certainly not that stiff Josh Childress

2005 we needed a pt guard not another 6′8 stiff in Marvin..So I and the rest of the gang would have took CP3 or Dwill. But certainly not Marvina..

2006 We needed a #4 that can put it on the floor, post up or shoot a decent mid-range jumper and rebound the ball. SO I and the gang would have drafted Rudy Gay instead of that stiff Sheldon “slum lord” Williams..

Startin to get the picture Sir?
2006

FreshFromATL

December 1st, 2011
5:23 pm

Doc,

MC said it on twitter: “Josh Smith looks much slimmer. Says he lost 30 pounds, knee injuries hampered him last season. #Hawks”

http://twitter.com/#!/ajchawks/status/142296642694021121

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
5:34 pm

Please read the Bottom of this article about Josh

http://blogs.ajc.com/hawks/2011/11/30/atlanta-hawks-video-free-agent-focus/?cp=6#comment-222624

“The Nets have some appealing pieces to offer via trade, but more importantly they have more than $10 million in cap space. They could easily ask the Hawks which free agent they covet and work out a sign-and-trade that lands the Hawks the pieces they desire and sends Smith to New Jersey. If the Nets had both Williams and Smith in town, it would be a cinch that Dwight Howard would have a strong incentive to want to be there, as well.”

This make me smile

doc

December 1st, 2011
5:36 pm

thanks fresh

not a follower of tweets. got too much else going on.

Rufus1

December 1st, 2011
5:37 pm

@Slimjr

I agree with all the points and decisions you would have made…..I never said BK was good GM, I just don’t think Sund is that bad.

Slimjr

December 1st, 2011
6:14 pm

Sund is a mediocre GM for 31 years…This guy has never built a championship caliber team in his career..I guess he took the right job coming to a City that has such low standards for expectations. Just look @ the Falcon blogs…lol

Some things never change…so sad…

Horford for Bogut + Leuer

December 1st, 2011
6:30 pm

blog monster?

Horford for Bogut + Leuer:

December 1st, 2011
6:36 pm

Offense
Jon Leuer (perimeter) > Childress> Damien ~ Marvin > Mo Evans
Josh Smith
Bogut

Dwight Joakim STOPPERS: Andrew Bogut (30-33mpg), Pachulia (17mpg)

Josh Smith inside AND PICK AND ROLL ALLEY OOPS and failed DUNKS still result in HOOP AND HARM
4th options
Jon Leuer > Josh Childress > Marvin Williams > Damien Wilkins

Impact
Josh Smith, Jason Collins > Josh Smith, Marvin Williams

Ryan Andersen who can post up for an occasional hook shot. A 7 footer who can shoot 3s and do the Childress baseline dunk maybe hit a pull up jumper.

A good fundamentals player. Childress type role with a pull up jumper and he can play the PFs while Smith plays the SF. Unlike Marvin, unlike Childress. The Hawks are now big and have perimeter play.

TEAM A
6′8 Smith
7′0 (perimeter) Leuer
7′0 Bogut, Zaza

TEAM B
6′8 Smith (perimeter)
6′10 Horford
7′0 Jason Collins , Zaza
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-9EfWfibJA

Fans choose: Team A Please
Hawks Propaganda Teams Choose: Team B

Big Dog

December 1st, 2011
7:17 pm

Hey, heres the bottom line for all ya’ll haters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4Vt3o6pxc4&feature=related

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